[12:50] <TaJMoX> I'd like my bottom panel to be 100% transparrent, how do I do this ?
[12:51] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: right-click it, select customize panel, set the transparency to 100%
[12:51] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: but why would you like to have invisible panel?
[12:51] <TaJMoX> thesheep xfce
[12:52] <TaJMoX> the only thing under appearance is Size
[12:52] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: you are trying to make yourself memorize where the icons are better?
[12:52] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: you need to have compositor enabled
[12:52] <TaJMoX> thesheep i want to have the icons visible only...
[12:52] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: in settings->window manager tweaks->compositor
[12:53] <TaJMoX> oh fglrx doesnt do composites...sigh
[12:53] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: you can't do that with xfce panel
[12:53] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: the iocns will be transparent too
[12:53] <neozen> TaJMoX: that's a horse of a different color
[12:53] <TaJMoX> I can only use fglrx with my vid card, not ati or radeon driver
[12:53] <R[a] ndom> has anyone seen any repos for xfce 4.4.1?
[12:53] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: gutsy
[12:53] <R[a] ndom> ?
[12:53] <neozen> I know there is one
[12:53] <R[a] ndom> that a repo?
[12:53] <TaJMoX> neozen - gdesklets
[12:53] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: that's feisty+1
[12:53] <neozen> lol... yeah... that's it
[12:54] <R[a] ndom> oh, I don't want that
[12:54] <TheSheep> !gutsy | R[a] ndom
[12:54] <ubotu> R[a] ndom: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[12:54] <R[a] ndom> or can I use gusty repo just for that
[12:54] <TaJMoX> also adesklets and superkaramba have non-composite docks
[12:54] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: it will probably pull in some dependencies
[12:54] <R[a] ndom> yeah, that's fine
[12:54] <R[a] ndom> I just need to fix this memory leak
[12:54] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: buy a mac ;)
[12:54] <R[a] ndom> xfdesktop is taking a gig of ram
[12:55] <TaJMoX> thesheep the hardware is too expencive.   I can get a twice as powerful PC for the price of a good mac
[12:55] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: I've seen the gnome people fake transparency by setting the same image for the panel as for the background
[12:55] <TaJMoX> thesheep - yes but im in xfce...can i use gnome panel?
[12:55] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: you could in theory do the same for xfce with a gtk theme, but don't ask me how
[12:55] <TaJMoX> I have tried using a gtk theme...
[12:55] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: ah, yes, you can use the gnome panel too, of course
[12:56] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: it will be a little slower, but why not
[12:56] <TaJMoX> thesheep - cool that fixed it thanks =] 
[12:56] <TaJMoX> yeah its slow =\
[12:57] <TheSheep> I'd say you're running with fashion too much ;)
[12:57] <vidd> R[a] ndom, a gig of ram??? you SURE its the desktop sucking up the resourses?
[12:57] <TaJMoX> heh you should see my beryl user... full on shiny customization bling bling
[12:57] <R[a] ndom> ok, I exagerated, but yeah, its usage is pretty high
[12:58] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: and you only log in to it when guests come?
[12:58] <TaJMoX> r[a] ndom how much of that is cache?
[12:58] <R[a] ndom> tell me the command you want the output of
[12:58] <TaJMoX> thesheep yeah its the guest user account ... this xfce is my minimal account, but still want the transparent panel
[12:58] <TaJMoX> i think im gonna switch back to xfce4-panel, i dont really need the transparency
[12:59] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: it's not worth it imho :)
[12:59] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: you still cannot use that space for anything else, icons would obscure your command line
[12:59] <TaJMoX> it's an auto-hiding panel anyways just for launching apps
[01:00] <TaJMoX> it just looks nicer when icons pop up instead of a whole clunky bar
[01:00] <TaJMoX> or if i could set a background image, that would be really nice
[01:00] <R[a] ndom> so which repos do I need to change to gutsy to get all the xfce stuff, anyone know off the top of their head?
[01:01] <TaJMoX> r[a] ndom type free and paste
[01:01] <R[a] ndom> Mem:       1035944    1022656      13288          0       1980     154312
[01:01] <R[a] ndom> 154 cache that would be
[01:01] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: main
[01:01] <R[a] ndom> kkthx
[01:01] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: bear in mind it's still experimental
[01:02] <R[a] ndom> gutsy is, but xfce 4.4.1 isnt
[01:02] <R[a] ndom> and thats all I'll upgrade
[01:02] <TaJMoX> totalwormage you play W:A ?
[01:02] <R[a] ndom> I read the changelog, and they fixed this memory leak
[01:02] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: xfce 4.4.1 in gutsy is :)
[01:02] <R[a] ndom> or, a memory leak that is
[01:02] <R[a] ndom> oh I see
[01:02] <R[a] ndom> I didnt know the xubuntu guys changed it
[01:02] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: distribution is stable/unstable as a whole, you can have an unstable distro with all stable packages
[01:03] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: because they interact
[01:03] <R[a] ndom> so any chance of me undoing this if it fails?
[01:03] <R[a] ndom> Ive never had downgrading work
[01:03] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: neither me, I wouldn't even know where to start
[01:03] <R[a] ndom> I tried once, and ended up reinstalling
[01:04] <R[a] ndom> ah well, if it breaks, then I finally ditch ubuntu ;)
[01:04] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: probably not worth it
[01:04] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: I once needed a fresh patch fro xfwm4, I just downloaded and compiled it, then replaced the binary on my system
[01:05] <R[a] ndom> should I do the whole xubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[01:05] <R[a] ndom> as xfce4 didnt pull anything else down with it
[01:05] <TheSheep> but it was the same version +/- the patch
[01:05] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: gaim is replaced with pidgin
[01:05] <R[a] ndom> what?
[01:05] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: and all programs are replaced with newer versions
[01:06] <R[a] ndom> oh I see what youre saying
[01:06] <R[a] ndom> so no
[01:06] <TheSheep> R[a] ndom: so I'd only install xfdesktop
[01:06] <TheSheep> and it will pull most of xfce with it
[01:06] <R[a] ndom> ah. thats the metapackage I wanted
[01:06] <R[a] ndom> oh I See
[01:06] <TheSheep> (and probably also whole gtk and all apps that use gtk)
[01:06] <TaJMoX> r[a] ndom you can get the latest xfce from here http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/
[01:06] <R[a] ndom> too late :)
[01:06] <TheSheep> arg
[01:06] <TheSheep> h
[01:15] <jonaz> ola :)
[01:16] <jonaz> i try to play a dvd, which is (according to kaffeine) 'encrypted or faulty'. then i tried to install libdecss, but its not available
[01:17] <jonaz> so what can i do else?
[01:19] <Catoptromancy> libdvdcss something
[01:19] <Catoptromancy> forgot exact name
[01:21] <jonaz> yeah i meant that, sorry
[01:21] <vidd> jonaz, you can get the package on my ownoads page:
[01:21] <jonaz> i have a translated version of ubunutu, it says something like "no installation candidate for libdvdcss"
[01:21] <vidd> http://www.vidd.us/downloads
[01:21] <jonaz> but i can find it with apt-cache search
[01:22] <jonaz> i got a 64bit system, vidd :/
[01:23] <jonaz> or is that not a problem, vidd ?
[01:24] <vidd> so far as i know...its not a problem....
[01:24] <vidd> but then...my 64bit machine has an intel chip, and not amd
[01:24] <jonaz> so has mine
[01:25] <vidd> then you did not have to use the 64bit install?
[01:25] <jonaz> okay, i thought i that i have to install only 64bit packets on a 64bit system
[01:26] <vidd> nope....the opposite is true....
[01:26] <vidd> only 32 bit (and less) apps on a 32 bit system
[01:27] <jonaz> when i do dpkg -i libblabla, it says "i386 package does not fit 64bit system" and denies an installation
[01:28] <Jester45>  then... get a 64bit one
[01:28] <jonaz> that's why i am here Jester45, it does not work
[01:28] <jonaz> as i wrote before
[01:29] <vidd> jonaz, i have no idea what libblabla is.....
[01:29] <jonaz> your libdvdcss2_1.2.9-1_i386.deb
[01:31] <vidd> hrm.....
[01:31] <Jester45> vidd, can you get a 64ibt?
[01:35] <vidd> jonaz, can you add a line to your repos?
[01:35] <jonaz> sure :)
[01:36] <vidd> deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ [version]  free non-free
[01:36] <vidd> replace [version]  with edgy, fiesty, dapper, etc
[01:37] <vidd> supposidly its there
[01:38] <jonaz> Konnte http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/dists/feisty/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz nicht holen  404 Not Found [IP: 81.169.138.125 80] 
[01:38] <jonaz> *hngl* :)
[01:39] <vidd> jonaz, NO!!!! add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:39] <jonaz> yeah i did
[01:39] <jonaz> the error came after apt-get update
[01:40] <vidd> hrm
[01:40] <vidd> cuzz im looking at it online right now....
[01:40] <jonaz> huh
[01:40] <neozen> hey there you... have any luck getting that card to work w/o ndiswrapper?
[01:41] <vidd> neozen, yeah....there was a button on it....
[01:42] <neozen> ........................
[01:42] <vidd> my daughter touched it and BANG!internet access
[01:42] <neozen> you're kidding
[01:42] <vidd> i wish
[01:42] <neozen> who says we kids can't do useful stuff!
[01:42] <vidd> jonaz, take the non-free out
[01:42] <vidd> you only need the free anyway
[01:43] <jonaz> the same
[01:43] <jonaz> error
[01:43] <vidd> neozen, she is going to be a techno-geek like her old man
[01:43] <vidd> jonaz, do you have internet?
[01:43] <jonaz> no, you?
[01:44] <vidd> ....
[01:44] <jonaz> i'm not stupid, just unexperienced
[01:44] <vidd> jonaz, you need internet access in order to update apt
[01:45] <vidd> that is why you are getting the error.....
[01:45] <neozen> vidd: girl after my own heart
[01:45] <jonaz> grrr., i know, you see the _not_ before the stupid?
[01:45] <vidd> let me see if i can get my fingers on the .deb for ya
[01:45] <jonaz> if i had no internet i would not be able to chat with you:)
[01:46] <vidd> jonaz, alot of ppl chat on an internet machine and work on an offline machine
[01:46] <jonaz> woule be cool, but i cannot understand why it says there's a 404
[01:47] <vidd> are you outside the USA?
[01:47] <jonaz> yes
[01:47] <vidd> where?
[01:47] <jonaz> berlin/germany
[01:48] <vidd> hrm...i cant see THEM blacklisting the site....
[01:48] <vidd> follow these instructions:
[01:48] <vidd> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repository-old.php
[01:49] <vidd> i may have mistyped something earlier
[01:49] <vidd> =/
[01:50] <jonaz> hmmm yeah, but no problem :) we forgot the slash between feisty/nonfree
[01:51] <vidd> sorry
[01:51] <jonaz> no problem, i'm thankful for your help. now let's see if it works
[01:52] <jonaz> ha!
[01:52] <jonaz> awesome
[01:52] <jonaz> thank you so much
[01:52] <jonaz> why is this not an official repo
[01:53] <jonaz> hah cool
[01:53] <jonaz> works also for vlc! great
[01:55] <vidd> cuzz its got paten issues in the us?
[01:55] <vidd> idk
[01:55] <jonaz> oh :(
[01:55] <jtg23_> hey is there a non nsidwrapper method of getting access on my WMP54G linssys card?'
[01:56] <vidd> jtg23_, bcm43xx chipset?
[01:56] <jtg23_> air force 1
[01:56] <jtg23_> ya
[01:56] <vidd> absolutely
[01:57] <jonaz> i'll rejoin later - have to plug-in another hdd. thanks so far! bye
[01:57] <jtg23_> what it be?
[01:57] <vidd> did you already install ndiswrapper?
[01:57] <jtg23_> i'm befuddled
[01:57] <jtg23_> no
[01:57] <jtg23_> i don't want it
[01:57] <vidd> ah...good
[01:57] <vidd> do you have lan internet access?
[01:58] <jtg23_> unfortunately not, this gateway solo 9300 taht cost $3000+ 8 years ago has only an internal modem and i lack a pcmcia card but i have a usb drive so i'm doing that method
[01:58] <vidd> oh...foo
[01:59] <vidd> ok...lets get down to getting it done
[01:59] <jtg23_> yeah, i hear ya
[01:59] <jtg23_> ok, break it down
[02:00] <vidd> you will need : bcm43xx-fwcutter
[02:00] <vidd> and the firmware
[02:00] <vidd> let me see if i have both on my downloads site already
[02:01] <jtg23_> are these the instructions?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[02:02] <jtg23_> k i got bcm43xx-fwcutter from you
[02:02] <vidd> i use the official guide.....
[02:02] <jtg23_> where can i find that?
[02:03] <jtg23_> oh man that funny.mov is raunchy!
[02:03] <jtg23_> lol @ that!
[02:03] <vidd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty
[02:04] <jtg23_> oh awesome, thx!
[02:05] <vidd> jtg23_, you can thank Jester45 for that movie
[02:05] <jtg23_> i'm not sure if it warrants thanks per se ;)
[02:06] <jtg23_> here i'll return my gratitude to the commnity:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY
[02:06] <vidd> the firmware is now on my downloads page
[02:07] <jtg23_> ok cool, thx
[02:07] <jtg23_> called?
[02:09] <TaJMoX> vidd is rappelz any good and does it run in wine?
[02:10] <vidd> its awesome...and no..not yet
[02:11] <vidd> jtg23_, wl_apsta.o
[02:11] <jtg23_> thx
[02:11] <TaJMoX> looks like a free version of Lineage2
[02:12] <vidd> jtg23_, once you download and transfer both files, you want to install the .deb, make note of where you put the .o and run: sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware/`uname -r` <downloaded file>
[02:13] <vidd> TaJMoX, idk....i got it to test with wine for a friend...he dual boots now only because of that game
[02:14] <vidd> if you get it to work in wine...let me know how! he wants to fire M$ almost as bad as I did!
[02:14] <jtg23_> arrite will get going after my shower thx for the links and the nec files vidd
[02:14] <jtg23_> i'll be back if it doesn't work
[02:14] <jtg23_> ;
[02:14] <jtg23_> )
[02:15] <TaJMoX> vidd I had to stop playing those free 3D mmorpg's, there are so many out there and hardly any work in wine.   I get a lot more done without playing them anyways
[02:15] <TaJMoX> I'd rather fire M$ and stupid games, than run M$OS
[02:16] <vidd> TaJMoX, i hear ya!
[02:17] <vidd> but you know how these kids are these days
[02:18] <TaJMoX> If we had games like this when I was a kid, I'd be in trouble
[02:19] <TaJMoX> heh.. what games do you play ?
[02:19] <vidd> einstien, glob2 and runescape
[02:20] <Jester45> runescpae is really ungly
[02:20] <GrueTamer> runescape? lol
[02:20] <vidd> hey...it may be ugly...but i like it
[02:21] <GrueTamer> i play games that are beautifully rendered
[02:21] <GrueTamer> like nethack
[02:22] <vidd> and with my POS monitor, it dont matter HOW awesome the game SHOULD look....
[02:22] <vidd> =] 
[02:23] <Jester45> i hate on runescape how you have to take care of your player... the game is more like the sims when you have to do that
[02:23] <vidd> what are you talking about? "take care of your player"?
[02:24] <GrueTamer> Jester45: dude, play nethack, after that, you wont think runescape makes you take care of your player
[02:24] <GrueTamer> i mean, in nethack and various other roguelike games, you can frigggin die of starvation
[02:25] <GrueTamer> ...i die like that all the time, it seems that the dungeons of doom dont allow for anorexia
[02:26] <vidd> lol GrueTamer
[02:26] <GrueTamer> i like how you always look the same no matter what you are
[02:26] <GrueTamer> so now, ive come to love the little @ symbol i see runnin around
[02:41] <TaJMoX> you can die from eating too
[03:34] <Jester45> how do you cnvert kilobits into kilobytes?
[03:35] <alnokta>  /8
[03:35] <Jester45> thats it?
[03:35] <Jester45> so i was right
[03:35] <alnokta> thats what i do
[03:44] <TheSheep> Jester45: depends on what you're doing
[03:44] <TheSheep> Jester45: if it's a file transfer, then the protocol usually has some additional overhead
[03:44] <Jester45> im setting torrentflux's max upload speed and vidd wanted it to be 1/2 a meg
[03:44] <TheSheep> Jester45: then again, there is some compression
[03:44] <TheSheep> Jester45: so it doesn't translate directly
[03:45] <cheeseboy> how i set opera as my defauld browser?
[03:45] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: settings->preferred applications
[03:45] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: go to, yeah
[03:45] <Jester45> i dont care on what its doing with the transfer speed just what % of the total of the line
[03:46] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, wheres settings?
[03:46] <cellofellow> Applications -> Settings
[03:46] <cellofellow> the main system menu
[03:47] <cheeseboy> oh thnx
[03:48] <cellofellow> TheSheep: can you help me set up a sudoers file so that user 'josh' can access everything except `passwd` without needing a password?
[03:50] <TheSheep> "It is generally not effective to "subtract" commands from ALL using the ! operator.  A user can trivially circumvent this by copying the desired command to a different name and then executing that."
[03:50] <TheSheep> just found that
[03:51] <TheSheep> cellofellow: it would be easier to allow a limited set of commands
[03:51] <TheSheep> cellofellow: like apt-get, dpkg, vim
[03:52] <cellofellow> ok
[03:52] <cellofellow> how?
[03:55] <TheSheep> cellofellow ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/apt-get
[03:55] <TheSheep> etc.
[03:55] <cellofellow> ok
[03:55] <TheSheep> you can list them with commas
[03:55] <TheSheep> cellofellow ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/apt-get,/usr/bin/dpkg
[03:55] <cellofellow> and I can use an alias
[03:55] <TheSheep> etc.
[03:55] <TheSheep> yes
[03:56] <TheSheep> man sudoers has some examples
[03:56] <cellofellow> I know, but that's a huge manpage
[03:56] <TheSheep> skim :)
[03:57] <Jester45> skim = hold the down arrow
[04:20] <cellofellow> TheSheep: how do I remove myself from the admin group?
[04:20] <TheSheep> cellofellow: settings->users and groups
[04:20] <TheSheep> cellofellow: or edit /etc/group
[04:21] <cellofellow> ok
[04:23] <dan40> Whats a small bittorrent client to use. I have been using Azureus but its kind of a memory hog
[04:25] <cellofellow> um, I would suggest deluge-torrent but I can't find it in the repos (it used to be there) or an ubuntu package on the web.
[04:27] <dan40> thanks cello
[04:27] <cellofellow> is it there somewhere?
[04:34] <cellofellow> TheSheep: can I set a password that isn't my users password for sudo? Like my users password I don't know, but I want to know my sudo password, so they need to be different.
[04:34] <TheSheep> cellofellow: no idea, probably yes
[04:35] <TheSheep> cellofellow: I think you can have group passwords
[04:35] <cellofellow> hmmm
[04:35] <cellofellow> I just figured out if I run a program that isn't in the NOPASSWD list, it prompts for the password. really slick.
[04:51] <biouser> my workspaces went away
[04:51] <biouser> anyone know how to get them back?
[04:53] <Ghostvirus> you mean the workspace pager?
[04:54] <cellofellow> biouser: right click the panel, and click Add Items, and add the Pager.
[04:55] <biouser> cellofellow, excellent
[04:55] <biouser> cellofellow, spot on
[04:55] <cellofellow> :)
[05:13] <claudiohfg> hi all.
[05:13] <claudiohfg> I want to install xfce4 in my system. how do I do this without installing the whole xubuntu stuff?
[05:14] <cellofellow> just install xfce4
[05:14] <claudiohfg> how about the plugins? wouldn't I be missing something?
[05:15] <cellofellow> a few. You'll have to hunt and peck, there isn't one meta-package.
[05:15] <claudiohfg> ok, thanks!
[05:17] <cellofellow> claudiohfg: I think Debian has a meta-package though. Look at what it depends on at packages.debian.org
[05:17] <cellofellow> don't use it though, just look at it
[05:17] <claudiohfg> thanks! I'll see it.
[05:18] <claudiohfg> I'm now filtering apt-get install xubuntu-desktop to see what to keep out
[06:07] <yokobr> hi guyes
[06:07] <yokobr> my desktop desapeared
[06:08] <yokobr> =/
[06:09] <yokobr> please, i need it back
[06:12] <TheSheep> yokobr: press alt+f2 and then type 'xfdesktop'
[07:26] <skarevoluti> hello
[07:26] <skarevoluti> I have a big problem!
[07:26] <skarevoluti> can anybody help me?
[07:27] <skarevoluti> I use xubuntu desktop
[07:27] <skarevoluti> and my pannels dissapear...
[07:30] <skarevoluti> :-$
[07:37] <Chikubu> when i was using win98 on this pc, the video card would go into higher resolution, i installed the latest driver for the card but dont see the option to go to higher res, its an older ati card, do i need to reboot?
[07:37] <Chikubu> or might it not support the higher res?
[08:23] <Chikubu> what hoops would i have to jump thru to get a package for red hat to run on xubuntu?
[08:27] <davewilhelm> /tim
[08:32] <Jester45> Chikubu, not that bad, sometimes
[08:32] <Jester45> !alien
[08:32] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[09:16] <null___> What do I apt-get to switch from Gnome to Xfce on a Ubuntu install?
[09:16] <null___> Was it xfce-desktop-environment?
[09:18] <crimsun> xubuntu-desktop
[09:24] <Chikubu> i have a problem removing a package, when i do apt-get install asla-utils, it says current version installed, but if i do apt-get remove asla-utils it says no pacakge found, i want to be able to run alsa-utils, ideas?
[09:25] <crimsun> asla-utils?
[09:25] <crimsun> there's no such package.
[09:26] <crimsun> alsa-utils exists, however.
[09:26] <Chikubu> is there a way to force reinstall
[09:26] <maxamillion> and crimsun would know with his uber alsa-code-foo ;)
[09:27] <crimsun> sudo dpkg -P --force-depends alsa-utils && sudo apt-get -f install
[09:29] <Chikubu> what does 32 not upgraded allude to?
[09:30] <maxamillion> Chikubu: huh?
[09:30] <crimsun> probably something holding them back.
[09:30] <crimsun> just `sudo apt-get install alsa-utils`
[09:30] <Chikubu> alsa-utils is already the newest version.
[09:30] <Chikubu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 32 not upgraded.
[09:30] <maxamillion> Chikubu: try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[09:31] <maxamillion> Chikubu: its probably because there is a new kernel upgrade and packages that depend on that kernel, you have to pass the 'dist-upgrade' command to get kernel image upgrades
[09:31] <Chikubu> oh crap its 90 megs
[09:31] <Chikubu> ok ill let that run tonight
[09:31] <maxamillion> Chikubu: k
[10:06] <ferronica> hi al
[10:06] <ferronica> can i use xubuntu in dektop computers ???
[10:14] <maxamillion> ferronica: yes
[10:15] <maxamillion> ferronica: you can use it on a wide array of computers of which desktops would fit categorically
[10:32] <hyper_ch> hiho
[10:32] <hyper_ch> hiho maxamillion
[10:33] <maxamillion> hiya hyper_ch
[10:33] <maxamillion> whoa! linux.com got a face lift
[10:34] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: it did? ^^
[10:35] <hyper_ch> maxamillion:  you know php?
[10:35] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: yeah ... atleast since like 3 days ago since i saw it last
[10:35] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: minimal amounts of php
[10:35] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: ok ;)
[10:36] <hyper_ch> I need some advanced skills
[10:36] <hyper_ch> pong
[10:37] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: yeah, i wouldn't be your guy ... its something i am looking forward to learning eventually but i haven't needed to learn it just yet
[10:37] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: based on snoopy I am trying to create a bot for an online game ^^
[10:38] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: write it in python ;)
[10:38] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: I dunno pythong
[10:38] <hyper_ch> snoopy is a nice php class that emulates a webbrowser :)
[10:39] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: the game is browser based ^^
[10:39] <hyper_ch> in 2 1/2h the bred is ready ;)
[10:40] <hyper_ch> btw, did you hear about gmail in Germany? Google threatens to close gmail germany
[10:40] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: no i didn't ... what happened?
[10:41] <hyper_ch> Germany is about to pass a law that would free email providers require to be able to disclose the identity of the email users to the legal services and goole stands up to it
[10:42] <hyper_ch> saying that the guaranteed privacy is one of the main reasons people use gmail
[10:42] <maxamillion> good show google!
[10:43] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: for once ;) hasn't been google lately a target of critics regarding user data collections and stuff?
[10:44] <maxamillion> i think so
[10:45] <hyper_ch> oh well
[10:46] <maxamillion> meh, long live google!
[10:47] <hyper_ch> ^^
[02:33] <homebrewcider> I have Xubuntu 6.06 installed on another computer in the house (with no internet connection), can I upgrade with my cd of Xubuntu 7.04?
[02:35] <Pumpernickel> Can?  Possibly.  Sanely?  Not so much.  The tested upgrade path is through Edgy.
[02:38] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: the config files ten to get broken if you skip versions
[02:38] <TheSheep> things like udev and init
[02:39] <homebrewcider> oh ok
[02:42] <homebrewcider> how do I make my num lock be switched on automatically on boot please?
[02:45] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: there is an xkb option for it you can put in xorg.conf
[02:47] <homebrewcider> is this the section?
[02:47] <homebrewcider> Section "InputDevice"
[02:47] <homebrewcider> 	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
[02:47] <homebrewcider> 	Driver		"kbd"
[02:47] <homebrewcider> 	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
[02:47] <homebrewcider> 	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
[02:47] <homebrewcider> 	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
[02:47] <homebrewcider> 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
[02:52] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=475321
[02:55] <homebrewcider> cheers, done
[02:55] <homebrewcider> thanx
[02:59] <homebrewcider> will see if it works on rreboot
[03:00] <TheSheep> say, are there any "spare" keysyms I can use for my own purposes?
[04:11] <test3r> hey if i have another OS installed and I dont think it has power monitoring (battery monitoring) code built with it (turned on) - can I get that somehow? & what is that called - that ATHCPI - etc?
[04:13] <test3r> is that APIC ?
[04:14] <test3r> my /bin/dmesg  tells me it is off
[04:14] <test3r> oh shnap
[04:15] <test3r> it is some processor thing good thing i didnt just turn That on
[04:16] <test3r> aaaaaa ACPI
[04:18] <test3r> if i type acpi it says "no support for battery"   =( that makes no sense the battery stuff works fine in Xubuntu
[05:58] <floedel> Hello
[06:00] <floedel> anyone able to help me getting my winxp-comp to access internet through this one (xubunto). That has 2NICs, and one going to a router. wild guess.. is it avahi-daemon that I should config?
[06:01] <floedel> lol *xubuntu
[06:01] <floedel> getting som illegal local domain error so it will not start
[06:06] <TheSheep> floedel: no, you want to configure masquerade
[06:06] <floedel> ok, thanks!
[06:10] <TheSheep> floedel: http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t457340.html
[06:11] <floedel> Thanks alot TheSheep
[06:11] <TheSheep> it's not *exactly* what you want, but you should be able to tweak it to your needs
[06:21] <floedel> what is "ra0"?
[06:23] <floedel> guessing wireless
[06:24] <Merchelo> YUP
[06:24] <Merchelo> NORMALLY
[06:24] <Merchelo> damn caps lock {{SADFACE}}
[06:25] <floedel> ;D
[06:25] <floedel> ty
[06:26] <floedel> and "essid"? :P
[06:27] <Merchelo> the wireless's "name" of the network you are connected to
[06:28] <floedel> yea.. I'm reading a howto, but I'm not wireless, so need to replace
[06:29] <floedel> anyway.. my NIC thats going to forward connection.. should it be static IP?
[06:29] <nipun> Hello people
[06:30] <floedel> hi nipun
[06:30] <nipun> need some help if someone's available
[06:30] <nipun> hello floedel
[06:30] <floedel> if I can =)
[06:30] <floedel> harving problems myself..
[06:30] <floedel> I mean, unsolved problems
[06:31] <nipun> could you tell me if there's some place where I can put up a command to start firefox when xubuntu live cd boots?
[06:31] <nipun> oh, hope we both leave today's chat session with our problems solve
[06:31] <nipun> d
[06:31] <nipun> is there an initrc for xubuntu?
[06:31] <floedel> you want to run firefox at startup?
[06:31] <nipun> like regular system startup
[06:31] <nipun> yes, making a kiosk cd based on xubuntu
[06:32] <nipun> so...anyone has any idea if xubuntu has some file like initrc or /etc/skel that i could use?
[06:32] <nipun> the live cd i mean
[06:32] <nipun> not an installed desktop
[06:33] <floedel> I don't know
[06:33] <nipun> :(
[06:33] <nipun> what problem are you facing?
[06:33] <Merchelo> not sure you could do that with the live CD
[06:34] <nipun> why not?
[06:34] <nipun> maybe rc.5 dir can have some file?
[06:34] <floedel> pretty sure you can make that happen... just don't know file
[06:34] <nipun> yes it can happen
[06:34] <nipun> i have pretty good ideas about an installed system
[06:34] <nipun> but cant for the life of me find how to do it in xubuntu
[06:35] <nipun> if i can just find it, i can go along to reduce it's size
[06:35] <nipun> till now I have made a few kiosks cds based on slax
[06:35] <floedel> I'm trying to forward connection through this xubuntu box. I got 2 nic's and a winxp box behind this one. first card goes to router at neighbour :P
[06:35] <nipun> but xubuntu seems a better choice
[06:36] <nipun> lol no idea about that
[06:36] <nipun> maybe something to do with vnc can help?
[06:37] <floedel> myea,, that remote program right? don't want that
[06:38] <nipun> oh, then got no idea
[06:41] <floedel> found something..
[06:41] <floedel> Programs that you wish to autostart on XFCE4 startup need to be placed into shell scripts in the ~/Desktop/Autostart/
[06:42] <floedel> cd ~/Desktop/Autostart #since version 4.4 ~/.config/autostart
[06:42] <floedel> nano -w gaim (example script below)
[06:42] <nipun> do you hae a link?
[06:42] <nipun> the problem is where do I find this in the live cd?
[06:42] <nipun> is it the install folder or what?
[06:43] <floedel> LOL "xfce4-autostart-editor"
[06:43] <nipun> the installed system has a place for autostart
[06:43] <nipun> yes, exactly
[06:43] <floedel> ic
[06:43] <nipun> but how do i make it persistent so that it starts everytime
[06:43] <nipun> because if i use the "xfce4-autostart-editor" then the changes will be lost on boot
[06:43] <TheSheep> you just need to put a .desktop launcher in /etc/xdg/autostart/
[06:44] <nipun> hang on a sec please
[06:44] <TheSheep> nipun: of course you need to create your own livecd for that
[06:45] <nipun> yes I am going to do that
[06:45] <nipun> now comes the ultra moronic question
[06:45] <nipun> there doesn't seem to be any /etc in the live cd
[06:45] <nipun> the xubuntu live cd
[06:46] <TheSheep> nipun: you can also put the firefox settings in /usr/share/firefox/defaults/
[06:47] <TheSheep> nipun: you need to put it into the compressed system image that gets uncompressed and run
[06:47] <nipun> TheSheep:thanks a lot for the help, but the main problem is the live cd iso doesn't seem to have this structure
[06:47] <nipun> no /etc, no /usr, nada!
[06:48] <TheSheep> nipun: yes, it has it all compressed in a single file
[06:48] <TheSheep> nipun: that gets uncompressed on boot into ram
[06:48] <Amon-san> any of you guys have an idea why no actual program starts when i select an item in the "applications" menu
[06:48] <TheSheep> Amon-san: what version of xubuntu?
[06:48] <Amon-san> 7.04
[06:49] <Amon-san> xchat was the first prog i started. and then no other program was able to run
[06:49] <nipun> TheSheep: which file would that be? how do i uncompress it, make the changes, and compress it back again
[06:49] <TheSheep> Amon-san: weird, I had this some time ago in gutsy, figured out it was some bug introduced in the development version and didn't care much...
[06:50] <Amon-san> i did not update anything for like 7 days or so
[06:50] <Amon-san> and at that time things worked without fail
[06:51] <TheSheep> Amon-san: the applications menu on the panel works ok?
[06:51] <Amon-san> the menu itself opens just fine
[06:52] <Amon-san> not any item starts tho
[06:54] <TheSheep> Amon-san: in the panel plugin too?
[07:01] <j1mc> http://scourgeweb.org/show_image.php?id=51&scalesize=0&nocount=y
[07:01] <j1mc> members of the chicago-ubuntu loco team
[07:01] <j1mc> at barcamp-chicago
[07:01] <j1mc> note the xubuntu install on my laptop.  :)
[07:01] <TheSheep> j1mc: looks.... reassuring :)
[07:02] <j1mc> reassuring?
[07:02] <mindtzar> hey, i'm having problems running the installer. it can't unmount my HDD when it comes time to parition or format it, and it keeps opening the HDD in the file browser
[07:02] <mindtzar> therefore it's jumping back to choose how to partition the HDD again
[07:03] <TheSheep> mindtzar: it's a known bug, let me find it so we can see if there is a workaround alredy
[07:03] <mindtzar> okay, cheers
[07:10] <TheSheep> mindtzar: can't find it for some reason :/ maybe they fixed it in gutsy and the bug report got removed?
[07:11] <mindtzar> no idea, but this is annoying :(
[07:11] <Amon-san> TheSheep, i restarted gdm and now everything works
[07:12] <TheSheep> Amon-san: it's still weird
[07:13] <mindtzar> is this specific to the Xubuntu install#
[07:13] <mindtzar> or ubuntu in general
[07:13] <mindtzar> this bug
[07:13] <TheSheep> mindtzar: yes
[07:13] <TheSheep> mindtzar: it's specific -- the thunar volume manager plugin mounts the partition automatically
[07:14] <TheSheep> mindtzar: you might try running thunar, going to edit->preferences, then last tab and diabling the volman plugin
[07:15] <mindtzar> right, i'll see if it works
[07:15] <mindtzar> cheers btw
[07:15] <TheSheep> then unmount the parition and try
[07:16] <mindtzar> seems to be working
[07:16] <mindtzar> thanks
[07:17] <mindtzar> i can't wait till i have it actually running on the HD
[07:19] <stefan> hi. i'm having a little issue with my graphics card (using latest xubuntu): everything works fine in general but graphics "feel" quite slow. i checked Xorg.log and it says "MGA(0): Using AGP 1x mode" even though in the BIOS setup it says 4x. could this be the reason why it feels so slow? (using a matrox g550 @ 1600x1200, btw)
[07:20] <TheSheep> stefan: are you sure it doesn't use the vesa driver? it is slow
[07:20] <stefan> TheSheep: yes, i'm pretty sure. just s second
[07:21] <stefan> TheSheep: glxinfo says "direct rendering: Yes" which, AFAIK, it wouldn't say with the VESA driver...
[07:22] <stefan> ("OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI G400 20061030 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE")
[07:24] <stefan> ah, google mentions 'Option "AGPMode" "4"' - trying that :)
[07:27] <stefan> okay, that did the job. doesn't feel particularly faster, though :(
[07:28] <TheSheep> stefan: maybe try disabling compositor?
[07:28] <TheSheep> stefan: settings->wm tweaks->last tab
[07:29] <stefan> TheSheep: already disabled
[07:49] <godless> How would I customize the gdm login/password screen?
[07:50] <TheSheep> godless: system->login window
[07:54] <godless> TheSheep:  Can I add new 'welcome screens'?
[07:54] <godless> oh look at that
[07:54] <godless> I can :)
[07:54] <godless> Nevermind me
[07:54] <godless> nothing to see here
[07:54] <godless> move along, move along
[07:55] <godless> actually, where are the existant welcome screens stored?
[07:57] <TheSheep> godless: you can just install them by dragging and droping the archives into the window, I think
[08:06] <godless> I was thinking of making my own. Reading /usr/share/gdm/themes/ it seems like maybe more work than I want to do while waiting for my sunday coffee to brew :)
[08:43] <feliciano> hi... Is there some way to restore the sources.list to the default??
[08:45] <ablomen> feliciano, check private message, that my sources.list, al std
[08:45] <feliciano> thanks a lot
[08:46] <ablomen> np :)
[08:46] <feliciano> you dont know if apt-setup work nice?
[08:46] <ablomen> dunno, never used it
[08:48] <feliciano> thanks a lot
[08:48] <feliciano> bye
[08:48] <ablomen> bye feliciano
[08:56] <gerro> I got this one computer and wondering how well xubuntu will run on it, sort of odd specs. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27052/
[08:57] <gerro> I hear the intel cards work nicely but can I enable 3d support?
[08:57] <ablomen> gerro, specs look more then enough
[08:59] <gerro> I'm just concerned about will I get good graphical support, and it mentions "Packet Scheduler Miniport" no clue what that is
[09:00] <gerro> like a few comps I use it has multiple hard drives too, any idea how to enable swap on multiple drives?
[09:00] <gerro> I mean would that boost performance a bit
[09:00] <ablomen> dont think so
[09:00] <ablomen> anyway im not sure your swap would even be used often
[09:01] <gerro> oh trust me it is lol
[09:01] <ablomen> hmm ok
[09:01] <ablomen> well i dont think there is a restriction on how many swap fs's you have, but not sure
[09:02] <gerro> yeah currently to access my second hard drive I have to go root and mount it because I haven't added it to fstab to be mounted on boot
[09:02] <gerro> but I sort of like that since no one without root privs can view my secret media stash
[09:03] <ablomen> hehe :P
[09:04] <gerro> I think I might hook up a webcam to the comp
[09:04] <gerro> any idea on some good picture quality ones for linux?
[09:05] <gerro> mostly usb ones work I've been told
[09:05] <ablomen> well i dont know of any webcams with good picture quality, but most [hilips and logitech ones should work with v4l
[09:05] <ablomen> *philips
[09:05] <gerro> but I got this crappy uvcvideo driver one for my lappy and it usually just displays white screen and blinks light then crashes
[09:06] <gerro> yeah v4l ones are really nice I've seen
[09:06] <gerro> what about webcam with some sort of motion sensor that would be sweet :)
[09:07] <ablomen> well atleast you can do it with software (the motion detection)
[09:08] <gerro> yeah I could easily set that up I guess
[09:08] <gerro> would help incase I left laptop webcam going and left room by mistake
[09:08] <gerro> save power and all
[09:16] <gerro> ablomen: what your computers stats?
[09:17] <ablomen> gerro, check pm
[09:17] <gerro> ablomen: lspci usually gives more info :)
[09:17] <gerro> ooh athlon xp nice
[09:18] <gerro> you ever try using k7 kernel and swiftweasel for athlon?
[09:18] <gerro> setup that for my one friend whom uses dial up, he loves the speed
[09:19] <ablomen> hmm nah never did, should though
[09:19] <gerro> what is this Via company?
[09:19] <ablomen> via is just another chipset/hardware company
[09:19] <gerro> first time I heard of it
[09:19] <gerro> I live in the US where you from?
[09:20] <ablomen> the netherlands
[09:20] <gerro> ah perhaps they don't sell here
[09:20] <ablomen> via is taiwanese or something like that
[09:20] <ablomen> acer etc uses it
[09:20] <gerro> oh
[09:20] <gerro> yeah acer they make good stuff don't they
[09:21] <gerro> isn't it mostly portable things?
[09:21] <ablomen> yup mostly
[09:21] <ablomen> arnt my fav company though
[09:21] <ablomen> *isnt
[09:21] <ablomen> sorry
[09:22] <gerro> you using amd64 or x86 xubuntu?
[09:23] <ablomen> heh its an athlon 2800+, so x86
[09:23] <gerro> just checking
[09:23] <ablomen> laptop is like 4 years old :) maybe more
[09:23] <gerro> its a laptop?
[09:23] <ablomen> yup
[09:24] <gerro> about what ranges does it heat up to?
[09:24] <ablomen> sorry i dont get that last one
[09:24] <ablomen> what do you mean?
[09:24] <gerro> my brother has a similar laptop except nvidia card and newer amd model he got from dell, lots of heat
[09:25] <gerro> ablomen: do acpi -t
[09:25] <gerro> I mean he gets over 50 C continuously
[09:25] <ablomen> 53 celcius it sais
[09:25] <gerro> yeah
[09:26] <gerro> my dual core one stays at about 20-30 C but it is a bit larger size
[09:26] <ablomen> :)
[09:27] <gerro> ablomen: you might want to check that command when it actually starts doing some heavy processing
[09:27] <ablomen> hmm well it has been working for ages now, so i guess its safe :)
[09:27] <gerro> yep
[09:28] <gerro> I think its mainly the cheap casing and the small size, perhaps the pasting they used on the processor
[09:28] <gerro> raises the temp quite a lot
[09:29] <gerro> otherwise could probably overclock it nicely
[09:29] <ablomen> hehe no need
[09:29] <ablomen> i dont do heavy stuff on it :)
[09:29] <ablomen> well sometimes a vm but it can handle that fine :)
[09:29] <gerro> vm?
[09:30] <ablomen> virtual machine
[09:30] <gerro> oh yeah
[09:30] <gerro> you use kqemu for that?
[09:30] <ablomen> nah i use virtualbox on laptop, vmware server on other pc's
[09:31] <gerro> I've been looking for a vm that handles well not over network but locally
[09:31] <gerro> keep hearing that virtualbox mentioned
[09:32] <gerro> I've used qemu in past mostly but bit difficult configuring found out they had this qemu launcher app in ubuntu repository
[09:32] <ablomen> vbox is pretty nice, but for "professional" use, id use vmware
[09:32] <gerro> really just looking for something free with nice performance and customization
[09:33] <ablomen> 1hmm well vbox is based on qemu
[09:33] <ablomen> but not free as in speech i think
[09:33] <ablomen> not sure
[09:33] <maxamillion> ablomen: vbox is open source now
[09:33] <maxamillion> and i don't think it is based off qemu
[09:34] <gerro> damn I have to try that now
[09:34] <ablomen> ok cool :)
[09:34] <ablomen> yeah its based on qemy
[09:34] <maxamillion> vbox is a VM, where as qemu is an emulator ... completely different concepts
[09:34] <ablomen> *qemu
[09:34] <gerro> how so different
[09:34] <gerro> ?
[09:34] <maxamillion> i will have to look into that, i would interested to see how they pulled that off .... it might be based off kqemu
[09:35] <ablomen> maxamillion, http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Developer_FAQ
[09:35] <TheSheep> "The QEMU virtual CPU core library is released under the GNU Lesser General Public License."
[09:35] <maxamillion> gerro: virtualization generally just passes instructions between hardware and software in order to virtually mimic that the software is actually running on the hardware, but emulators actually "act" like hardware, but do so in a completely "fake hardware"-software emulation
[09:35] <TheSheep> so was vbox based on qemu, it woudl have to be at least lgpl too
[09:36] <maxamillion> oh ... vbox just borrowed some code from qemu for certain things
[09:36] <maxamillion> meh ...
[09:37] <TheSheep> qemu itself is GPL, so it's even worse
[09:37] <gerro> ah so virtualization is similar to how ndiswrapper works
[09:37] <TheSheep> (or better) :)
[09:37] <gerro> like a driver wrapper
[09:37] <gerro> except for entire system
[09:37] <TheSheep> gerro: or how wine works
[09:37] <gerro> yeah that too
[09:39] <maxamillion> TheSheep: be careful who you make comments like that about wine around .... there is that whole "wine is not a windows emulator" movement going on ... they prefer to call it a "windows API translation layer"
[09:39] <maxamillion> ;)
[09:40] <TheSheep> maxamillion: that's exactly what I mean
[09:41] <TheSheep> maxamillion: wine doesn't emulate hardware -- it just provides the libraries and system api that windows program expect, but linux doesn't have by default
[09:42] <gerro> think wine goes step further
[09:42] <gerro> I mean does virtual box interface with all the different kernel drivers?
[09:42] <TheSheep> maxamillion: by the way, qemu *is* an emulatro by default
[09:42] <gerro> or just the kernel
[09:42] <TheSheep> maxamillion: it's only if you have kqemu installed and loaded that it pipes some commands directly trhough your cpu
[09:45] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i know, i said that earlier
[09:45] <maxamillion> TheSheep: how i didn'
[09:45] <maxamillion> bleh ... stupd enter key being in my way
[09:45] <TheSheep> ript it off
[09:45] <maxamillion> TheSheep: how i didn't see how vbox was based off qemu since qemu is an emulator and vbox a virtualization software
[09:49] <gerro> is kqemu an emulator?
[09:49] <gerro> I guess it still is
[09:49] <gerro> but it does make some improvements
[09:49] <TheSheep> gerro: kqemu is a kernel module that allows qemu to skip emulation of some commands by executing them directly in hardware
[09:55] <gerro> TheSheep: baaa baaa
[09:55] <gerro> hehe
[09:56] <gerro> TheSheep: meeeh meee
[09:56] <gerro> that european :)
[09:56] <TheSheep> !ot > gerro
[09:56] <gerro> I'm sorry couldn't resist
[09:57] <gerro> what does ot mean?
[09:58] <gerro> maxamillion: weren't you on here yesterday asking about something?
[09:58] <maxamillion> gerro: doubtful
[09:59] <gerro> I was afk and not really paying attention
[09:59] <gerro> you use virtualbox too?
[10:00] <gerro> ablomen mentioned it integrates with vmware server
[10:00] <ablomen> huh?
[10:00] <ablomen> vbox integrates in vmware server? never said that, and it doesnt
[10:11] <gerro> yeah you said you used virtualbox to use desktops hosted by vmware server or something
[10:12] <gerro> you said "<ablomen> nah i use virtualbox on laptop, vmware server on other pc's"
[10:13] <gerro> sorry if I'm a little confused
[10:13] <ablomen> np :)
[10:13] <ablomen> i use them seperatly
[10:14] <ablomen> so i use vmware server on my main desktop and work pc to run vm's and i run different vm's from my laptop on vbox
[10:16] <tommy909808> i changed the root password...how do i change it back
[10:16] <gerro> there some password files in /etc edit them
[10:16] <gerro> or play around with group option under applications menu
[10:16] <gerro> its in system
[10:17] <tommy909808> i cant get in i need the root password
[10:17] <gerro> if you lost the root password then enter recovery console and get it back
[10:17] <gerro> not get it back I mean set a new one
[10:17] <tommy909808> ok ill reboot now
[10:17] <gerro> hope he knows what he is doing
[10:18] <ablomen> dont think so
[10:18] <ablomen> otherwise you dont change your root password on *ubuntu
[10:18] <gerro> of course you do
[10:19] <gerro> there some sort of root command to change it
[10:19] <gerro> but I forgot
[10:19] <ablomen> why should you? the root account isnt even enabled
[10:19] <gerro> but it can be enabled
[10:20] <gerro> and any accounts that can access root are root
[10:20] <ablomen> yup i know
[10:20] <ablomen> but the whole point is that root is not enabled :)
[10:20] <gerro> root account or root its same diff
[10:20] <hyper_ch> huhu TheSheep
[10:20] <hyper_ch> huhu maxamillion
[10:21] <gerro> huhu hyper_ch
[10:21] <gerro> ablomen: connection issues?
[10:21] <hyper_ch> huhu gerro
[10:21] <ablomen> whoa xchat just died on me
[10:21] <hyper_ch> use konversation ;)
[10:21] <gerro> hyper_ch: omg no you did not! >,<
[10:21] <hyper_ch> gerro: ???
[10:22] <gerro> hyper_ch: ???
[10:22] <ablomen> hyper_ch, i wont even respond to that ;)
[10:22] <hyper_ch> ablomen: konvi is great :)
[10:22] <gerro> I prefer xchat (not gnome version) or irssi
[10:23] <ablomen> yup xchat-gnome is pure evil
[10:23] <eagle-101> irssi is nice :)
[10:23] <eagle-101> so is xchat :)
[10:23] <eagle-101> trying the konversation thing now :P
[10:23] <ablomen> anyway xchat works great, never happend that it died until now
[10:23] <hyper_ch> ablomen: well, that's once more often than konvi died on me
[10:23] <ablomen> eagle-101, watch out, its with a K, so a lot of libs will come with that install ;)
[10:24] <eagle-101> ablomen, yeah I know :)
[10:24] <gerro> I would suspect a server bandwidth hiccup or so but it was only you affected ablomen
[10:24] <eagle-101> I use a mainly kubuntu desktop anyway
[10:24] <eagle-101> so I have most of them already on here
[10:24] <hyper_ch> eagle-101: hehehe :) btw, you need the sysinfo-script-bug-fix-to-show-your-diskspace? ^^
[10:24] <ablomen> gerro, well it got back to me again but i already had pressed f4 so it automagicly closed
[10:25] <ablomen> i think the install of gutsy onder vbox is making my system a bit slow ;)
[10:25] <eagle-101> hyper_ch, heh, diskspace is not why I use xubuntu, its ram :
[10:25] <gerro> ablomen: you mean alt f4
[10:25] <ablomen> eh yeah thats what i ment :)
[10:25] <eagle-101> 256 MB is not enough to run ubuntu or kubuntu and do anything productiv
[10:25] <gerro> diskspace kind of low too
[10:25] <hyper_ch> eagle-101: I meant the sysinfo script from konvi has a but so it won't display diskspace :)
[10:25] <hyper_ch> it's fixed upstream already
[10:25] <eagle-101> hyper_ch, ah I see
[10:26] <eagle-101> I'm just now trying it
[10:26] <hyper_ch> eagle-101: this here
[10:26] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 399/1009GB, RAM: 997/1010MB, 145 proc's, 55.7min up
[10:26] <gerro> I got 1 gig but still run xubuntu :)
[10:26] <eagle-101> ah you don't have a terabyte
[10:26] <gerro> wtf is a bogomips?
[10:26] <hyper_ch> eagle-101: sure, that's my diskspace
[10:27] <eagle-101> aww I want your RAM :P
[10:27] <hyper_ch> gerro: http://www.google.ch/search?q=define%3Abogomips&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[10:27] <hyper_ch> eagle-101: it's 1 GB ram... not 1 tera
[10:27] <eagle-101> yeah... I have 256 MB :P
[10:27] <gerro> umm that is in different language
[10:27] <hyper_ch> ^^
[10:27] <gerro> think german
[10:28] <hyper_ch> the definition is in english
[10:28] <hyper_ch> or replace .ch by .com
[10:28] <gerro> no its not...
[10:28] <hyper_ch> for me it is in english
[10:28] <eagle-101> gerro, here
[10:28] <gerro> umm you gave me a link to google search that only showed this wikipedia page in different language
[10:28] <eagle-101> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips
[10:29] <eagle-101> wikipedia never fails you :)
[10:29] <hyper_ch> strange... all I did is enter in google:   define:bogomips   and then gave you the resulting url
[10:29] <gerro> ohh yeah I remember this
[10:49] <eagle-101> mmm hyper_ch koversation is decent... how do you set it to automatically login for you?
[10:49] <hyper_ch> eagle-101:  F2 --> define servers and channels
[10:50] <hyper_ch> and in the commands field you enter the /msg nickserv identify PWD
[10:50] <eagle-101> mmm they have a thing on there called autoidentify
[10:50] <eagle-101> with two fields, Service: and Password:
[10:51] <hyper_ch> WHERE?
[10:51] <eagle-101> hit F2
[10:51] <eagle-101> see where it says identity?
[10:51] <eagle-101> click edit
[10:51] <hyper_ch> never used those
[10:52] <hyper_ch> as said, in the command field just enter:   /msg nickserv identify PWD
[10:52] <eagle-101> anyway I'd like for it to auto-id before I autojoin :P
[10:52] <eagle-101> ok
[10:52] <hyper_ch> you can do this with the commands
[10:53] <eagle-101> ok
[10:59] <gerro> BFTD: a dialup linux user?
[10:59] <BFTD> gerro eh?
[10:59] <BFTD> well
[10:59] <BFTD> my internet is dial up
[10:59] <BFTD> but my connection is wireless
[11:00] <gerro> dialup through wireless amazing
[11:00] <gerro> so you have a separate server handling the dialup connection for you?
[11:00] <BFTD> gerro it is
[11:00] <BFTD> gerro yeah
[11:01] <gerro> bftd: mind giving me your email and possibly answering a few questions :)
[11:01] <gerro> I've been trying for longest while to get dialup going on linux very easily
[11:01] <BFTD> sure
[11:01] <BFTD> oh
[11:01] <BFTD> I have no idea how to do that
[11:02] <gerro> damn it I was so close at finally finding out how >,<
[11:03] <BFTD> haha
[11:03] <BFTD> what modem are you using?
[11:03] <gerro> I have so many modems
[11:04] <gerro> this specific computer has "02:00.0 Modem: Broadcom Corporation BCM4212 v.90 56k modem (rev 02)" so hope its not like broadcom wireless devices :)
[11:04] <gerro> also got 2 external modems
[11:04] <gerro> modem in laptop
[11:04] <gerro> and this old box in bedroom
[11:04] <BFTD> tell me more about the external modems
[11:04] <gerro> been just dieing to figure out how to put them to use
[11:04] <gerro> well I don't really know much about them
[11:05] <gerro> loaned one to a friend and other my aunt wanted me to pick up she found it in attic
[11:05] <BFTD> hard modems(generally external) work great with linux
[11:05] <soweto76> X is crashing when I use mythtvfrontend setup routines and when I exit the program.  mythtv is a qt program. I wonder what the problem is.
[11:05] <gerro> yeah so I've been told
[11:05] <gerro> its only a matter of spewing the right jibbery commands to their specific firmware that is probably never even heard of in most tech forums
[11:07] <gerro> soweto76: if x crashes then use ctrl alt backspace to restart it or switch to ctrl alt f1 and login then kill the app causing it and ctrl alt f7 to go back to x
[11:08] <soweto76> gerro, the program seems to crash X which immediately restarts and takes me to the loging screen.
[11:09] <gerro> soweto76: it might be trying to use your current x session
[11:09] <gerro> soweto76: is it still running when you login from there?
[11:09] <soweto76> gerro no
[11:10] <gerro> soweto76: I don't know exactly what to say myself I wish there was more documentation on all the xorg things
[11:11] <gerro> like beryl, those keyboard shortcuts I told you, xgl stuff, and all those hidden commands you enter into xorg.conf as well as how to run programs on separate x sessions and switch between them thats so much more kooler since it truly is a "separate desktop"
[11:11] <soweto76> gerro, I am suspecting a qt based problem; however, my daughter runs ubuntu with the same program and does not have the problem.
[11:11] <gerro> qt?
[11:12] <gerro> are you using xubuntu?
[11:12] <TheSheep> gerro: there are lots of documentation on that
[11:12] <TheSheep> gerro: start with 'man xorg.conf'
[11:12] <gerro> might want to try a gtk version or perhaps enable kde libraries
[11:13] <gerro> TheSheep: you can use man on other things besides commands!? wow that just blew my mind, thx for that tip
[11:13] <soweto76> gerro, mythtv is a qt based program.  I am using xubuntu.
[11:14] <gerro> soweto76: well it should be working, so I don't know
[11:14] <gerro> soweto76: hmm perhaps some way to run it from console and pipe its debug messages to a file so you can review them after it crashes
[11:15] <soweto76> gerro, Thanks for your consideration.  I will try something like what you suggest.
[11:15] <gerro> soweto76: dmesg output anything odd?.. doubt it would think that just handles hardware
[11:15] <gerro> soweto76: my guess is it needs some basic kde libraries that you don't have installed
[11:15] <gerro> soweto76: or an older/newer version of qt
[11:17] <ubuntu> hi, how change ip and net manually?
[11:18] <BFTD> ubuntu ifconfig
[11:18] <BFTD> ubuntu if you don't mind, can you change your nick
[11:18] <BFTD> if you don't know how its /nick (whatever you want)
[11:19] <BFTD> thanks
[11:19] <aabrahao> ubuntu ifconfig appears command not foound
[11:20] <maxamillion> aabrahao: the command is "ifconfig" (without the quotes)
[11:20] <maxamillion> aabrahao: it would be "
[11:20] <maxamillion> bah!
[11:21] <aabrahao> ifconfig I think is a bit confused, Can I change the files manually?
[11:21] <maxamillion> aabrahao: it would be "ifconfig <interface> inet <network address> netmask <netmask wildcard>" where the things surrounded by < > are things you provide
[11:23] <TheSheep> aabrahao: you can edit /etc/network/interfaces
[11:25] <aabrahao> bash: cd: interfaces: Not a directory
[11:27] <aabrahao> I[m using live cd
[11:31] <gerro> its a file not directory
[11:31] <gerro> use mousepad /etc/network/interfaces
[11:31] <gerro> if you want to change it then go root with sudo before that command
[11:38] <aabrahao> tks
[11:44] <aabrahao> can you give an exemplo to set net to 192.168.1.10 net 255.255.255.0
[11:46] <jtg23> i think i just realized why i can't install network manager
[11:46] <jtg23> cuz i'm using xubuntu, not ubuntu or kubuntu
[11:46] <jtg23> can anyone confirm or deny this?
[11:49] <jtg23> i can seem to install neither the knetworkmanager nor network-manager-gnome
[11:50] <TheSheep> jtg23: I can deny this
[11:50] <TheSheep> jtg23: what error are you getting?
[11:51] <jtg23> well, when i folllow the steps detailed here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=286188&page=2&highlight=intel+wireless+3945 or here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=448952 i get a bunch of errors about broken packages (i have no internet access and have been using a thumb drive for xfers)
[11:53] <TheSheep> jtg23: well, you have to also install the dependencies of the packages you're trying to install
[11:53] <TheSheep> jtg23: the packages.ubuntu.com lists them
[11:54] <jtg23> thesheep, thx do you rec i use knetworkmanager or gnome?
[11:55] <TheSheep> jtg23: the gnome one will have less dependencies to download
[11:55] <TheSheep> jtg23: as it's more similar to xfce
[11:55] <jtg23> alright, thx for the info i'll try this now
[12:12] <aabrahao>  I Just need to load ther interfaces values, any one?
[12:23] <DjQczonE> hello, I want to know if I can run and install xubuntu on my old PII 233mhz, 128mb ram ?? Thank you :)