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| mhb | good morning | 11:03 |
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| Riddell | err | 11:23 |
| Jucato | O.o | 11:27 |
| mhb | a ~[6 for all of us :o) | 11:33 |
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| nosrednaekim | heh...this may sound drazy, but has anyone ever tried making a source compiler for apt? | 02:03 |
| nosrednaekim | it has all the tootls for finding dependencies and all | 02:03 |
| pygi | you mean apt-get build ? :P | 02:04 |
| pygi | rgh | 02:04 |
| pygi | wrong :) | 02:04 |
| nosrednaekim | I guess. | 02:04 |
| pygi | sudo apt-get build-dep package | 02:04 |
| pygi | :) | 02:04 |
| nosrednaekim | whatever,, | 02:04 |
| nosrednaekim | ;) | 02:04 |
| pygi | build-dep causes apt-get to install/remove packages in an attempt to satisfy the build dependencies for a source package. | 02:05 |
| pygi | that should help ^_^ | 02:05 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah....... but has anyone ever made a nice little graphical program for doing it? | 02:06 |
| pygi | nosrednaekim, just go to #synaptic and ask mvo :P | 02:07 |
| pygi | doubt it, perhaps synaptic has some secret powers | 02:07 |
| nosrednaekim | no.... I know you can't do anything presently.. | 02:08 |
| nosrednaekim | but it would be a amzing to integrate that ability | 02:08 |
| Tm_T | hum, and how GUI makes it better than its now? | 02:09 |
| Tm_T | right, kids doesn't afraid | 02:09 |
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| pygi | Tm_T, :P | 02:10 |
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| nosrednaekim | well... at least a nice single command... that automatically grans the source deb,etc | 02:11 |
| nosrednaekim | *grabs | 02:11 |
| pygi | apt-get source package | 02:11 |
| pygi | without sudo even =) | 02:11 |
| Jucato | I don't think apt was made for that purpose... compiling from source | 02:11 |
| nosrednaekim | ERR! | 02:12 |
| nosrednaekim | so what? | 02:12 |
| Jucato | so what what? | 02:12 |
| nosrednaekim | ok... then lets modify smart to do it | 02:12 |
| === nosrednaekim hodes from his bad idea | ||
| nosrednaekim | *hides | 02:17 |
| === manchicken__ backhands nosrednaekim :) | ||
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| manchicken | apt-get can compile from source. | 02:18 |
| Jucato | manchicken: it can? which command? | 02:18 |
| manchicken | apt-get source --compile PACKAGE | 02:18 |
| Jucato | oh | 02:19 |
| Jucato | see! I can't always be right :) | 02:19 |
| pygi | you do ofcourse use build-dep as well with thiat | 02:19 |
| manchicken | pygi: If you don't already have the deps installed. | 02:19 |
| pygi | manchicken, yup | 02:19 |
| nosrednaekim | I think that would be a killer function | 02:19 |
| manchicken | The build process will yell at you if you're missing deps. | 02:19 |
| manchicken | nosrednaekim: What would be what? | 02:20 |
| nosrednaekim | a program to easily compile source debs | 02:20 |
| manchicken | apt-get does that. | 02:20 |
| manchicken | I don't think it would be used very often. | 02:21 |
| === Jucato also thinks it's a bit... shaky... not going through proper packaging process.... but maybe better than checkinstall :) | ||
| manchicken | There's not really any benefit to building packages from source for the vast majority of users. | 02:22 |
| pygi | nosrednaekim, we just told you it can be done with apt-get | 02:22 |
| nosrednaekim | but what if they are trying to compile something not in apt? | 02:23 |
| Jucato | er... I don't think that could be done with apt... | 02:23 |
| manchicken | I mean, I keep my own builds of programs sometimes when I have tweaked them or something until the patch makes it into the distro, but that's a very rare case. | 02:23 |
| pygi | dpkg-source -x *.dsc | 02:23 |
| pygi | cd whatever/ | 02:23 |
| pygi | debuild -S(or whatever other arguments) | 02:23 |
| pygi | cd .. | 02:23 |
| manchicken | nosrednaekim: That's even more of an exception case. | 02:23 |
| Jucato | man page says "Compile source packages after downloading them. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Compile." | 02:23 |
| pygi | pbuilder bbla-bla.dsc | 02:23 |
| Jucato | so the presumption is that there's a source package for it that apt recognizes | 02:23 |
| Jucato | a.k.a. in some repository | 02:24 |
| manchicken | nosrednaekim: If we know so little about a package that it isn't in any repositories--including universe and multiverse repos--then I think supporting a build of a package may be much more complicated than you're giving credit for. | 02:25 |
| nosrednaekim | true... | 02:25 |
| nosrednaekim | come to think of it...most people building their own packages are doing it with special options | 02:26 |
| manchicken | Yup. | 02:26 |
| manchicken | There're just too many exception cases in that area that are very complicated. I don't see any point to putting that much work into something that will be used so infrequently by so few folks. | 02:27 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah. | 02:27 |
| nosrednaekim | oh well.... see ya'll later | 02:28 |
| manchicken | Righto. | 02:28 |
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| Riddell | [gutsy-changes] Accepted gdebi 0.3.0ubuntu1 GDebi/GDebiKDE.py yay! | 03:04 |
| Riddell | well done manchicken | 03:05 |
| Riddell | err | 03:05 |
| Riddell | well done mhb | 03:05 |
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| Hobbsee | woo! | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | morning Riddell | 03:05 |
| pygi | manchicken, you're the soc student for gdebiKDE? :) | 03:06 |
| pygi | ergh :P | 03:06 |
| pygi | mhb, you the student? :pp | 03:06 |
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| Tm_T | manchicken: are you my sith apprentice? | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: looks like the bug is thrown back to you | 03:10 |
| manchicken | I am not a student. | 03:18 |
| pygi | was poking mhb :P | 03:20 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Do you know if Tonio got my katapult changes yet? | 03:20 |
| manchicken | pygi: Gotcha. | 03:20 |
| Riddell | manchicken: no idea | 03:21 |
| manchicken | They should probably go upstream, too.... | 03:21 |
| Riddell | I've long since lost track of where upstream is | 03:21 |
| manchicken | Grrr... work... | 03:21 |
| manchicken | Riddell: To be completely honest with you, I'm disinclined to find out :) | 03:21 |
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| Riddell | hi rdieter, all set for coming to scotland at the end of the week? | 03:33 |
| rdieter | Riddell: certainly am, looking forward to it. | 03:34 |
| Jucato | manchicken: Katapult? Mez is supposed to be back. guess he logged off... | 03:34 |
| Jucato | manchicken: I'll poke him about your changes if I catch him. where are they located? Bzr? | 03:34 |
| manchicken | They're on a bug report.... from about a week back about SQL. If you look, I'm the one who posted the bug. | 03:38 |
| manchicken | I put the patch in the bug report. | 03:38 |
| Jucato | ok. the bug report is in LP or b.k.o.? | 03:38 |
| manchicken | LP | 03:38 |
| Jucato | ok | 03:39 |
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| manchicken | Jucato: Find it? | 03:47 |
| Jucato | oh sorry I was away | 03:48 |
| manchicken | Not a problem :) | 03:48 |
| Jucato | manchicken: um.. maybe you could give me a hint/bug number? I'll just forward it in #katapult :) | 03:52 |
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| manchicken | Bug #120575 | 03:55 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120575 in katapult "Katapult is utilizing non-standard SQL which results in SQL errors in PostgreSQL and other standards compiant DBMS'." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120575 | 03:55 |
| Jucato | ok thanks. I'll give it to him when I see him... if Tonio hasn't done anything yet | 03:55 |
| manchicken | Righto. | 03:55 |
| manchicken | The fix is already there, and I have been using that version since I posted the patch. | 03:56 |
| Jucato | he seems to have been online 2 hours ago though | 03:56 |
| manchicken | It does work. | 03:56 |
| Jucato | I mean Mez | 03:56 |
| manchicken | If they need anymore help with the SQL stuff in katapult I'd be happy to lend a hand here and there. I'm pretty handy with SQL. | 03:56 |
| Jucato | :) | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | !logs | 03:58 |
| ubotu | Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | 03:58 |
| mhb | pygi: yes, I am | 04:02 |
| mhb | pygi: didn't I tell you yesterday? | 04:02 |
| Riddell | does kdesu work for people? | 04:02 |
| Riddell | it's broken on one of my machines | 04:02 |
| manchicken | Works for me. | 04:03 |
| manchicken | But I'm not on gutsy... | 04:04 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 04:04 |
| mhb | I have trouble with sudo | 04:04 |
| Jucato | Riddell: good luck on aKademy/Akademy! just a few days to go :) | 04:04 |
| mhb | on feisty, but that's not what you ask about | 04:04 |
| === Hobbsee is using the kdesudo branch | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: what are your final thougths on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/119467 ? | 04:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119467 in kubuntu-meta "make non-essential packages Recommends and not Depends" [Medium,Confirmed] | 04:07 |
| mhb | Riddell: thank you, too | 04:08 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: you'd need to be fast if you wanted to do it in time for tribe 2 :) | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: it's not tuesday in msot countries yet | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | but yes | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: as in, do you have any problems technically with doing it? | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i've had to do an exam and go to wokr today, so couldnt do it earlier. | 04:11 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: go ahead, I'll reverse anything I don't agree with :) | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hah. great. does that mean that i'll find all my changes reversed? | 04:12 |
| Riddell | depends on my mood really, the swelling around the tooth in my mouth isn't hurting so much today so I'm not as grumpy as I have been :) | 04:12 |
| Riddell | (no, you won't) | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | heh, right | 04:14 |
| Riddell | of course I have my final dentist appointment tomorrow, so I could be grumpy all day then! | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | oh dear | 04:14 |
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| Hobbsee | er...why would you want kaffeine-xine a recommend? | 04:14 |
| Riddell | so you could install kaffeine-gstreamer? | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | but that doesnt exist...oh wait, it does again now | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | i beleive kaffeine depends on kaffeine-xine | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | er...i dont really want to put kate and kfind as recommends. | 04:16 |
| Riddell | why not? apparantly some people prefer kwrite over kate, and kfind is rubbish | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | isnt kfind the ctrl+f thing? | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | oh true, i'd temporarily forgotten about kwrite | 04:17 |
| Riddell | kmenu->find files | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | oh right, so it's not the thing in konq | 04:17 |
| Riddell | not sure, it might be a kpart | 04:18 |
| siretart | kaffeine does now have a gstreamer backend? since when? | 04:18 |
| Riddell | siretart: it again has one, since the new version was uploaded to gutsy | 04:19 |
| siretart | Riddell: what about amarok? | 04:20 |
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| pygi | siretart, amarok will have gst engine with 2.0, when it'll use phonon | 04:20 |
| pygi | afaik | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: can i add adept in there? | 04:20 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: spose so | 04:21 |
| === siretart dared to hope to drop xine from main ;) | ||
| Hobbsee | excellent! | 04:21 |
| Riddell | siretart: no return of gstreamer to amarok until amarok 2 (with kde 4) | 04:21 |
| pygi | siretart, only amarok uses it? | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: maybe even k-d-s? | 04:21 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: ok | 04:22 |
| siretart | k | 04:22 |
| Riddell | siretart: even then it'll likely build-dep on xine still | 04:22 |
| Riddell | as will phonon | 04:22 |
| siretart | Riddell: no chance to use a plugin mechanism like gstreamer? | 04:23 |
| siretart | like in having a 'xine' phonon plugin which can be demoted to universe? | 04:23 |
| Riddell | siretart: it'll be a plugin sure, but I expect it'll be part of the same source package | 04:24 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: is that troublesome adept bug fixed yet? | 04:25 |
| Riddell | mhb: no, although we know it's caused by an incompatibility with debtags, and I have old debtags ready to upload incase we don't fix it properly | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: not yet. progress has been made. | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: after i've done a bzr commit of the seeds, do i need to push too? it's showing up on codebase.l.n | 04:28 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: not if you have a checkout (rather than a branch) | 04:30 |
| Riddell | if it's on codebase then you have a checkout and don't need to push | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: excellent :) | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | bzr still confuses me | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: erk. why, when i merged the ubuntu and kubuntu desktop seeds, did i get all the gnome depends at the end of the kubuntu desktop seed? | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | (and why did i not get that last time?) | 04:32 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: it depends on the mood of bzr (probably means there has been an edit in that part of the ubuntu seeds) | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | right | 04:35 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: in fact its quite easy if you understand the concepts 'bound branches', 'checkouts' and 'lightweight checkouts' (the former two are in fact the same) | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: right. i dont, overly much | 04:37 |
| Riddell | and you manage to remember which you have :) | 04:38 |
| siretart | the difference between the latter two is that the last one has the history on the remote side, the former has the full history 'locally' | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | right | 04:38 |
| doc_ | hi there :) | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 04:46 |
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| siretart | does kubuntu have notification-daemon? or something similar? | 05:07 |
| Riddell | siretart: no (it's hoped for in gutsy) | 05:08 |
| === Hobbsee wonders...notification-daemon? | ||
| Riddell | package updates can give users notification if they need to do something manually | 05:09 |
| siretart | Riddell: as in 'notification-daemon' from gnome, or something else but similar? | 05:09 |
| Riddell | siretart: in adept | 05:11 |
| Riddell | siretart: are we talking about the same thing? | 05:11 |
| Hobbsee | oh nice | 05:12 |
| siretart | Riddell: yes, we do | 05:12 |
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| siretart | Riddell: We are considering different methods of notification in a GUI application, which should work in both KDE and GNOME. | 05:13 |
| siretart | I'm not sure how widespread notification-daemon is in kde, therfore my question | 05:13 |
| Riddell | well not at all, it's part of update-notifier, a gnome app | 05:14 |
| Daskreech2 | Riddell: What's out stance on post install configurations? | 05:14 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: same as anyone else's | 05:14 |
| DaSkreech | anyone else as in anyother distro or any other *buntu? | 05:14 |
| Riddell | debian or ubuntu | 05:14 |
| siretart | Riddell: so it isn't used outside ubuntu? | 05:15 |
| siretart | (and debian, of course) | 05:15 |
| Riddell | siretart: the thing that sits in the system tray and says "you upgraded your linux kernel, you need to reboot now"? that's dpkg specific | 05:16 |
| siretart | hm. seems to be libnotify in effect | 05:16 |
| siretart | ah, no I'm talking about libnotify | 05:16 |
| Riddell | right | 05:16 |
| Riddell | that's gnome specific | 05:16 |
| Riddell | kde has knotify | 05:16 |
| siretart | aah, thanks | 05:17 |
| Riddell | I doubt there's any sane way to use the preferred one in C(++), in python you could, but you'd probably be best to just use kdialog/xdialog | 05:17 |
| mhb | greetings from gutsy | 05:22 |
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| ryanakca | hi mhb | 05:31 |
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| mhb | hi ryanakca, what's up? | 05:35 |
| ryanakca | mhb: not much, I'm trying to get my hands on a copy of 'Accelerated C++' so that I can hopefully start writing patches for KDE by the end of the summer... except that Chapters/Indigo (local bookstore chain) don't have it in stock... library doesn't have it... University might though... | 05:37 |
| ryanakca | You? | 05:37 |
| mhb | fine, doing SoC and stuff | 05:39 |
| mhb | Riddell: does "hoped for" mean somebody is/will be working on it? (notifications) | 05:39 |
| pygi | mhb, how is soc going for you? | 05:41 |
| pygi | Didn't knew you were a soc student | 05:42 |
| mhb | pygi: quite well, thank you | 05:42 |
| === Jucato has C++ How to Program from Deitel... still need to look for up to date editions of other C++ books... | ||
| mhb | pygi: at least that's what I think :o) | 05:42 |
| pygi | hehe :) | 05:43 |
| pygi | Same here ;) | 05:43 |
| Riddell | mhb: meaning it's assigned to me and manchicken, but there's a bunch of adept stuff to do and it's not the easiest code base to work with | 05:44 |
| Riddell | volunteers always welcome :) | 05:44 |
| mhb | pygi: it's nice of you to take care of k3b bugs and stuff | 05:44 |
| pygi | mhb, :) | 05:45 |
| Riddell | pygi: oh, did you get a package of the new version? | 05:46 |
| pygi | Riddell, didn't we discuss that yesterday? And I was discussing it with Hobbsee entire day today :p | 05:47 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, I could give you 1.0.2 package without problems, but it would still be majorly broken | 05:47 |
| pygi | our package ships thousand of patches, and most don't work | 05:47 |
| Riddell | ok, let's not bother with a quick package then | 05:48 |
| pygi | indeed | 05:48 |
| pygi | Riddell, but for gutsy, you'll have the best k3b package we ever had so far :0 | 05:49 |
| Riddell | awooga | 05:49 |
| pygi | :) | 05:50 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: man c++ | 05:53 |
| Jucato | :P | 05:53 |
| pygi | mhb, so you're the kde gdebi one? :) | 05:54 |
| pygi | saw Riddell uploading initial version? | 05:56 |
| Riddell | mvo did | 05:56 |
| Riddell | oh, we should add it to the seeds | 05:56 |
| pygi | ok, but you posted it here ... so :P | 05:56 |
| mhb | pygi: yes, actually, mvo uploaded it | 05:56 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: why did you add kpager? | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: see the bugs listed | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | for the rationale | 05:58 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: do people actually have any sane need for kpager? | 05:58 |
| Riddell | it's an ugly app and doesn't add anything | 05:58 |
| Riddell | I'd much rather fix the pager applet menu | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: as in, patch the "launch pager" bit out? | 05:59 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes | 05:59 |
| Riddell | do people want to remove wodim, cdparanoia, dvd+rw-tools? | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | sure, if they're using another backend | 06:00 |
| pygi | ne | 06:00 |
| pygi | ergh | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | i thought? | 06:00 |
| pygi | they could use cdrskin instead of wodim | 06:00 |
| pygi | :) | 06:00 |
| Riddell | ok | 06:00 |
| pygi | and they'll have a chance with new k3b upload | 06:01 |
| pygi | just gimme time :p | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: oh, i see. dunno why you couldnt have commented that on the bug report, before changing it. | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that's...odd | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | the kpager functionality is only available when the kicker applet does exactly hte same thing. | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | then patching it would be...more sensible, yes. | 06:03 |
| === Riddell accepts gdebi-kde | ||
| manchicken | KDE really is the ideal DE for folks working from home. | 06:11 |
| manchicken | It is insane how much KDE makes my job easier. | 06:12 |
| manchicken | Now if only Quanta+ sucked a little less :) | 06:12 |
| Riddell | I've never seen the use of Quanta, it's a text editor with some buttons for html tags | 06:12 |
| manchicken | It's a bit more friendly with web projects. | 06:14 |
| manchicken | And Kate doesn't support displaying remote locations in the file display. | 06:14 |
| manchicken | Quanta has more neat little shortcuts, and it has the side-by-side view with code. | 06:15 |
| === Riddell moves system settings to kdebase | ||
| Riddell | if anyone has kde trunk about please check it works and doesn't break the world | 06:20 |
| === manchicken hugs Perl-Qt... | ||
| manchicken | Isn't quanta+ supposed to know how to ignore SVN stuff? | 06:31 |
| nixternal | Riddell: it is Monday, KDE trunk always breaks the world | 06:42 |
| nixternal | KDE trunk on Friday was good to go, because I set it up to show off on Saturday | 06:42 |
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| DaSkreech | manchicken: scheme-qt? | 07:07 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: I haven't touched scheme much lately. | 07:16 |
| manchicken | It just is not as convenient for me as Perl is. | 07:16 |
| nixternal | hahahaha, the post on Planet KDE about aseigo and Tom Green kills me | 07:23 |
| nixternal | I always had this inkling that aseigo reminded me of someone, now I know | 07:24 |
| manchicken | I wish that kate had more of the functionality of quanta. | 07:33 |
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| manchicken | The big thing I want is the tree view for the file browser. | 07:34 |
| nixternal | you can't get tree view with Kate? | 07:37 |
| manchicken | I don't think so. | 07:45 |
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| pygi | hey Arby | 07:58 |
| Arby | hi pygi | 07:59 |
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| manchicken | This Perl-Qt thing lets me turn my quick fix scripts and turn them into quick & dirty GUI fixers. | 08:15 |
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| manchicken | I even have it using kdesu. | 08:16 |
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| manchicken | Does Kate know how to play with tags files? | 08:46 |
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| hunger | Riddell: kde trunk from about 16:00 builds for me (up to and including kdebase). Seems to work, too. | 09:06 |
| hunger | Riddell: Oh, sorry, just saw that question was from before I came back online:-) | 09:06 |
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| _StefanS_ | evening | 10:39 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: ping? | 10:39 |
| mhb | heya | 10:41 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: didn't forget about you .. | 10:41 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: I've had a tough weekend, so didn't get much done | 10:42 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: = zero | 10:42 |
| === pygi wonders what is _StefanS_ doing | ||
| _StefanS_ | pygi: adept , dpkg configure -a detection | 10:43 |
| _StefanS_ | donno if someone took over though.. | 10:43 |
| mhb | not that I know of | 10:43 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: they have a hard time fixing Adept bugs in Gutsy | 10:43 |
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| mhb | _StefanS_: when do you have some free time to look at it? | 10:46 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: now, and tomorrow | 10:46 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: cool | 10:46 |
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| _StefanS_ | mhb: I just read through the logfile where we discussed it ;) | 10:46 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: couldn't quite remember your pseudo code | 10:47 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: one minute | 10:48 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: dont bother, I already have it | 10:48 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: it was super simple, because I don't know the details | 10:48 |
| mhb | but it really should be an easy one | 10:48 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: ok, we've got the manager, installer, and kubuntu_upgrader.. I dont think they share that much code, but all should have that check | 10:49 |
| _StefanS_ | libadept it seems | 10:50 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: I'm certain they share the code that checks if the dpkg database is locked | 10:50 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: " | 10:50 |
| _StefanS_ | Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:32:21] Quit Lure has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). | 10:50 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:32:39] <mhb> _StefanS_: right after the start, adept checks for dpkg being locked | 10:50 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:33:10] <mhb> _StefanS_: in pseudocode, something like this should follow: | 10:50 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:33:34] <mhb> _StefanS_: if(DpkgIsLocked) { | 10:50 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:33:54] <mhb> _StefanS_: if(DpkgConfigureWillFix) { | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:34:15] <mhb> printf("running dpkg --configure will do.") | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:34:21] <mhb> } | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:34:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: else { | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:35:08] <mhb> _StefanS_: printf("you may have more package managers running"); | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:35:16] <mhb> _StefanS_: } | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:35:19] <mhb> _StefanS_: } | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:35:49] <_StefanS_> mhb: alright, I guess we need some sort of visual stuff to show what is happening ? (like the "install-packages thing" where you can wait till it finishes, and select details to see the console output | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | argh | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | sorry | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: "Read Only mode: Database Locked" | 10:51 |
| DaSkreech | !paste | 10:51 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | DaSkreech: bah :P - like I dont know that.. | 10:51 |
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| _StefanS_ | DaSkreech: I was a MISTAKE | 10:52 |
| DaSkreech | Heehee :) | 10:52 |
| _StefanS_ | I/It | 10:52 |
| === _StefanS_ slaps DaSkreech | ||
| _StefanS_ | :D | 10:52 |
| === DaSkreech botslaps _StefanS_ | ||
| ScottK | _StefanS_: Thanks for the I/It correction. I was worried for a minute. | 10:54 |
| _StefanS_ | bah again :D | 10:54 |
| === _StefanS_ is quite tired.. | ||
| ScottK | _StefanS_: Great. Perfect time to abuse you. You can't fight back ;-) | 10:55 |
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 10:55 |
| pygi | mhb, I thought some time ago we had upstream adept author with us? | 10:55 |
| _StefanS_ | pygi: like manchicken? | 10:56 |
| pygi | probably not him | 10:56 |
| pygi | nop, surely not him | 10:56 |
| _StefanS_ | pygi: or Peter Rockai? | 10:56 |
| === manchicken isn't upstream. | ||
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: you're not even in a stream :D | 10:56 |
| pygi | _StefanS_, don't think he was the one as well | 10:56 |
| manchicken | And I'd like to note that none is like manchicken. | 10:56 |
| ScottK | Noted | 10:56 |
| manchicken | Except manchicken. | 10:56 |
| === pygi kicks manchicken | ||
| manchicken | pygi: I think Peter was the fella. mornfall is his name IIRC. | 10:57 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: are you having time to hack again ? | 10:57 |
| pygi | manchicken, yes, he :p | 10:57 |
| DaSkreech | _StefanS_: well if you were a mistake... I'd blame nixternal :) | 10:57 |
| nixternal | bah | 10:57 |
| pygi | manchicken, why don't we have him anymore? | 10:57 |
| mhb | pygi: there was only mornfall and manchicken | 10:57 |
| manchicken | _StefanS_: If adept dependencies weren't hosed I would :) | 10:57 |
| pygi | mhb, yes, yes, mornfall :) | 10:57 |
| pygi | where is he? ^_^ | 10:57 |
| mhb | pygi: Peter Rockai | 10:58 |
| nixternal | mornfall is still around | 10:58 |
| manchicken | pygi: I think he got married or had a kid or went into a coma or something. | 10:58 |
| pygi | nixternal, oki doki :0 | 10:58 |
| pygi | mhb, know that, thanks :) | 10:58 |
| _StefanS_ | like had a life probably :D | 10:58 |
| manchicken | pygi: Or maybe all thre. | 10:58 |
| pygi | just forgot a nick :P | 10:58 |
| nixternal | he is in kde-devel right now | 10:58 |
| manchicken | Either way he doesn't seem to have as much time anymore. | 10:58 |
| mhb | pygi: last I knew, he was working for RH | 10:58 |
| manchicken | nixternal: He's always in kde-devel :) | 10:58 |
| nixternal | yup | 10:58 |
| manchicken | He's usually AFK, too. | 10:58 |
| nixternal | s/usually/always ;) | 10:58 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: I will look at that clean thingy tomorrow, just so you know it (if you decide to hack it in yourself) | 10:59 |
| _StefanS_ | hey maybe I was a mistake.. :D | 10:59 |
| manchicken | Clean thingy? | 10:59 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: dpkg configure -a | 10:59 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: like mhb said.. | 10:59 |
| manchicken | Righto. | 10:59 |
| manchicken | Yeah, the problem is that adept won't run properly right now under gutsy. | 10:59 |
| _StefanS_ | I going to bed, mistake or not hehe | 10:59 |
| === pygi shoots down _StefanS_ | ||
| === _StefanS_ can only say 'I' today.. | ||
| _StefanS_ | nighty. | 11:00 |
| manchicken | So it's kinda impossible to run the debugger on it. | 11:00 |
| manchicken | Which is how I was hoping to sort that issue out. | 11:00 |
| manchicken | You can totally do it yourself if you want though :) | 11:00 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: uhm ok, sounds bad. | 11:00 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I was looking for some love on my MOTU app, I think Hobbsee CC'd ya, but so far it looks like it is going to go through to the TB soon :) | 11:00 |
| mhb | manchicken: hopefully _StefanS_ is still on Feisty | 11:00 |
| manchicken | _StefanS_: It's certainly not good :) | 11:00 |
| manchicken | I'm still on feisty, but I'm hacking adept under gutsy :) | 11:01 |
| manchicken | From jr's bzr branch. | 11:01 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: well I will take that cleanup first and get acquainted with the code | 11:01 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: I have both | 11:01 |
| nixternal | manchicken: if you need some Gutsy testing, sling me the source or a pkg and I will check it out..if you send the source I can package it | 11:01 |
| manchicken | Righto. | 11:01 |
| _StefanS_ | I'm off. Have a nice one all.. | 11:01 |
| manchicken | nixternal: It's a dependency issue with libapt IIRC. | 11:01 |
| nixternal | later _StefanS_ | 11:01 |
| nixternal | ahhh, I thought all that got worked out | 11:02 |
| manchicken | Adept screams that it can't connect to apt, and then dies. | 11:02 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 11:02 |
| nixternal | so there is no issues now..lovely :) | 11:02 |
| nixternal | s/no/new | 11:02 |
| nixternal | jeesh | 11:02 |
| mhb | nixternal: you want stuff to test? | 11:03 |
| nixternal | depends ;p | 11:03 |
| manchicken | nixternal: There were changes made to libapt IIRC. | 11:03 |
| mhb | nixternal: go, download and use gdebi-kde, the Next Small Thing :o) | 11:03 |
| manchicken | I think Riddell knows what's going on, so I've been hanging back while he works on it. | 11:03 |
| nixternal | as long as it doesn't totally destroy my lappy...I am using it as my main box and running Gutsy, so I tend to scare easily :) | 11:03 |
| manchicken | Is there a kate plugin that can work with tags? | 11:04 |
| nixternal | mhb: where is gdebi-kde? | 11:04 |
| ScottK | nixternal: If your are running Gutsy on your main box and scare easily, I'm wondering what else is wrong with you that you are running Gutsy? | 11:04 |
| mhb | nixternal: apt-cache search? | 11:05 |
| manchicken | Ooh, there's a kate-plugins package.... | 11:05 |
| mhb | ScottK: I'm also running gutsy on my main computer | 11:06 |
| ScottK | Yeah, but you didn't say you scare easliy. | 11:06 |
| mhb | ScottK: I encounter even less crashes then I did with Feisty | 11:06 |
| mhb | than | 11:06 |
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| nixternal | mhb: I didn't see gdebi-kde though | 11:11 |
| mhb | nixternal: hmm, strange | 11:12 |
| mhb | nixternal: I'm pretty certain it's there already | 11:12 |
| mhb | nixternal: try updating... (500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages) | 11:12 |
| nixternal | ahh there it is | 11:12 |
| nixternal | apt-get update grabbed it | 11:13 |
| nixternal | err, found it | 11:13 |
| manchicken | There's a few useful Kate plugins in the kate-plugins package, but there is nothing to work with TAGS files. | 11:14 |
| manchicken | That stinks. | 11:14 |
| manchicken | and the symbol list plugin only works with C/C++ | 11:14 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 11:15 |
| nixternal | well, it doesn't work :) | 11:16 |
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| mhb | nixternal: it doesn't? | 11:18 |
| nixternal | no, it opens up the .deb and gives you all the info, but as soon as you click install it just closes | 11:18 |
| nixternal | and gdeb-kde --help is broken as well | 11:19 |
| nixternal | /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:18: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning) | 11:19 |
| nixternal | gotta remember to do / before I paste something like that again :) | 11:19 |
| mhb | nixternal: that's weird | 11:20 |
| mhb | nixternal: it works here, but I don't have the package yet, just the code the package was made from | 11:22 |
| nixternal | ahh, if I run it from the cli it works | 11:25 |
| mhb | nixternal: it works here from dolphin, too | 11:26 |
| nixternal | mhb: it seems when I run it by clicking on a .deb, it doesn't install it, it stops right before it prompts for password | 11:26 |
| mhb | nixternal: not here | 11:27 |
| mhb | nixternal: see, that's why I like wide testing :o) | 11:27 |
| nixternal | is the Kubuntu Package Menu part of this? I don't remember seeing that before? | 11:27 |
| nixternal | mhb: I can guarantee it has to do with kdesu/kdesudo...because after I have entered my password and it is stored in kwallet or the agent or whatever, it works fine | 11:29 |
| mhb | nixternal: hmm, strange | 11:29 |
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| mhb | nixternal: I'm on gutsy here and all is well | 11:29 |
| mhb | nixternal: you use kdesudo? | 11:29 |
| nixternal | I will try it again when I get to school, because I will have to shutdown..so I will start fresh | 11:29 |
| nixternal | typically no, but it calls it from what I can see | 11:30 |
| mhb | it calls kdesu here | 11:30 |
| nixternal | same here, sorry | 11:30 |
| mhb | nixternal: and this is a brand new app | 11:31 |
| mhb | nixternal: uploaded today - KDE frontend for gdebi, which is old | 11:31 |
| nixternal | this will definitely be great for new users, especially once Ark stops opening .deb files | 11:31 |
| mhb | nixternal: I hope so, too. | 11:32 |
| mhb | nixternal: I'll be happy to try and find the cause of the bug you encounter once you have some time. | 11:33 |
| nixternal | oh no, no hoping on this one...I know it will be...in kubuntuforums there are a ton of questions that concern something like this with Adept, and that is why a lot has switched to Synaptic | 11:33 |
| nixternal | you can install local files with Synaptic, and now that Kubuntu has something like this, it is going to rock! | 11:33 |
| nixternal | I can help out during Java class tonight :) | 11:34 |
| === nixternal awaits Jambi package | ||
| === n8k99 mmmm Java Class | ||
| nixternal | Java is kind of cool actually | 11:35 |
| === n8k99 liked it | ||
| n8k99 | i had trouble writing actionevent handlers for guis | 11:36 |
| n8k99 | need to go back over that | 11:36 |
| nixternal | I want to play with the new Qt 4.3 Jamba toolkit for Java | 11:36 |
| pygi | anyone knows where can I see build queue? | 11:37 |
| n8k99 | isnt there supposed to be greater java support written into kdevelop/ | 11:37 |
| crimsun | pygi: LP/ubuntu/$release/+queue | 11:37 |
| pygi | crimsun, thanks | 11:38 |
| mhb | nixternal: when is "tonight"? | 11:40 |
| ScottK | It's always tonight somewhere... | 11:40 |
| nixternal | oh shoot, In about 1.5 hours :) | 11:40 |
| nixternal | 5 o'clock somewhere! | 11:41 |
| nixternal | I need to get going....I have to leave in like 20 minutes and I need to shower | 11:41 |
| ScottK | nixternal: TMI | 11:41 |
| n8k99 | i could tell that in the next time zone | 11:41 |
| nixternal | only TMI if you closed your eyes and thought about it ;p | 11:41 |
| ScottK | Thanks. I hadn't done that until you mentioned it. | 11:42 |
| nixternal | oh lord, get the bleach! | 11:42 |
| ScottK | Mental floss | 11:42 |
| crimsun | heh, I misread that "bleach" as "blech" | 11:42 |
| DaSkreech | bleech | 11:46 |
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