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mhbgood morning11:03
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mhba ~[6 for all of us :o)11:33
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nosrednaekimheh...this may sound drazy, but has anyone ever tried making a source  compiler for apt?02:03
nosrednaekimit has all the tootls for finding dependencies and all02:03
pygiyou mean apt-get build ? :P02:04
pygiwrong :)02:04
nosrednaekimI guess.02:04
pygisudo apt-get build-dep package02:04
pygi          build-dep causes apt-get to install/remove packages in an attempt to satisfy the build dependencies for a source package.02:05
pygithat should help ^_^02:05
nosrednaekimyeah....... but has anyone ever made a nice little graphical program for doing it?02:06
pyginosrednaekim, just go to #synaptic and ask mvo :P02:07
pygidoubt it, perhaps synaptic has some secret powers02:07
nosrednaekimno.... I know you can't do anything presently..02:08
nosrednaekimbut it would be a amzing to integrate that ability02:08
Tm_Thum, and how GUI makes it better than its now?02:09
Tm_Tright, kids doesn't afraid02:09
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pygiTm_T, :P02:10
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nosrednaekimwell... at least a nice single command... that automatically grans the source deb,etc02:11
pygiapt-get source package02:11
pygiwithout sudo even =)02:11
JucatoI don't think apt was made for that purpose... compiling from source02:11
nosrednaekimso what?02:12
Jucatoso what what?02:12
nosrednaekimok... then lets modify smart to do it02:12
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manchickenapt-get can compile from source.02:18
Jucatomanchicken: it can? which command?02:18
manchickenapt-get source --compile PACKAGE02:18
Jucatosee! I  can't always be right :)02:19
pygiyou do ofcourse use build-dep as well with thiat02:19
manchickenpygi: If you don't already have the deps installed.02:19
pygimanchicken, yup02:19
nosrednaekimI think that would be a killer function02:19
manchickenThe build process will yell at you if you're missing deps.02:19
manchickennosrednaekim: What would be what?02:20
nosrednaekima program to easily compile source debs02:20
manchickenapt-get does that.02:20
manchickenI don't think it would be used very often.02:21
=== Jucato also thinks it's a bit... shaky... not going through proper packaging process.... but maybe better than checkinstall :)
manchickenThere's not really any benefit to building packages from source for the vast majority of users.02:22
pyginosrednaekim, we just told you it can be done with apt-get02:22
nosrednaekimbut what if they are trying to compile something not in apt?02:23
Jucatoer... I don't think that could be done with apt...02:23
manchickenI mean, I keep my own builds of programs sometimes when I have tweaked them or something until the patch makes it into the distro, but that's a very rare case.02:23
pygidpkg-source -x *.dsc02:23
pygicd whatever/02:23
pygidebuild -S(or whatever other arguments)02:23
pygicd ..02:23
manchickennosrednaekim: That's even more of an exception case.02:23
Jucatoman page says "Compile source packages after downloading them. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Compile."02:23
pygipbuilder bbla-bla.dsc02:23
Jucatoso the presumption is that there's a source package for it that apt recognizes02:23
Jucatoa.k.a. in some repository02:24
manchickennosrednaekim: If we know so little about a package that it isn't in any repositories--including universe and multiverse repos--then I think supporting a build of a package may be much more complicated than you're giving credit for.02:25
nosrednaekimcome to think of it...most people building their own packages are doing it with special options02:26
manchickenThere're just too many exception cases in that area that are very complicated.  I don't see any point to putting that much work into something that will be used so infrequently by so few folks.02:27
nosrednaekimoh well.... see ya'll later02:28
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Riddell[gutsy-changes]  Accepted gdebi 0.3.0ubuntu1 GDebi/GDebiKDE.py  yay!03:04
Riddellwell done manchicken03:05
Riddellwell done mhb03:05
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Hobbseemorning Riddell03:05
pygimanchicken, you're the soc student for gdebiKDE? :)03:06
pygiergh :P03:06
pygimhb, you the student? :pp03:06
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Tm_Tmanchicken: are you my sith apprentice?03:08
HobbseeRiddell: looks like the bug is thrown back to you03:10
manchickenI am not a student.03:18
pygiwas poking mhb :P03:20
manchickenRiddell: Do you know if Tonio got my katapult changes yet?03:20
manchickenpygi: Gotcha.03:20
Riddellmanchicken: no idea03:21
manchickenThey should probably go upstream, too....03:21
RiddellI've long since lost track of where upstream is03:21
manchickenGrrr... work...03:21
manchickenRiddell: To be completely honest with you, I'm disinclined to find out :)03:21
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Riddellhi rdieter, all set for coming to scotland at the end of the week?03:33
rdieterRiddell: certainly am, looking forward to it.03:34
Jucatomanchicken: Katapult? Mez is supposed to be back. guess he logged off...03:34
Jucatomanchicken: I'll poke him about your changes if I catch him. where are they located? Bzr?03:34
manchickenThey're on a bug report.... from about a week back about SQL.  If you look, I'm the one who posted the bug.03:38
manchickenI put the patch in the bug report.03:38
Jucatook. the bug report is in LP or b.k.o.?03:38
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manchickenJucato: Find it?03:47
Jucatooh sorry I was away03:48
manchickenNot a problem :)03:48
Jucatomanchicken: um.. maybe you could give me a hint/bug number? I'll just forward it in #katapult :)03:52
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manchickenBug #12057503:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120575 in katapult "Katapult is utilizing non-standard SQL which results in SQL errors in PostgreSQL and other standards compiant DBMS'." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12057503:55
Jucatook thanks. I'll give it to him when I see him... if Tonio hasn't done anything yet03:55
manchickenThe fix is already there, and I have been using that version since I posted the patch.03:56
Jucatohe seems to have been online 2 hours ago though03:56
manchickenIt does work.03:56
JucatoI mean Mez03:56
manchickenIf they need anymore help with the SQL stuff in katapult I'd be happy to lend a hand here and there.  I'm pretty handy with SQL.03:56
ubotuChannel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs03:58
mhbpygi: yes, I am04:02
mhbpygi: didn't I tell you yesterday?04:02
Riddelldoes kdesu work for people?04:02
Riddellit's broken on one of my machines04:02
manchickenWorks for me.04:03
manchickenBut I'm not on gutsy...04:04
Jucatoheh :)04:04
mhbI have trouble with sudo04:04
JucatoRiddell: good luck on aKademy/Akademy! just a few days to go :)04:04
mhbon feisty, but that's not what you ask about04:04
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HobbseeRiddell: what are your final thougths on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/119467 ?04:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119467 in kubuntu-meta "make non-essential packages Recommends and not Depends" [Medium,Confirmed] 04:07
mhbRiddell: thank you, too04:08
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RiddellHobbsee: you'd need to be fast if you wanted to do it in time for tribe 2 :)04:10
HobbseeRiddell: it's not tuesday in msot countries yet04:11
Hobbseebut yes04:11
HobbseeRiddell: as in, do you have any problems technically with doing it?04:11
HobbseeRiddell: i've had to do an exam and go to wokr today, so couldnt do it earlier.04:11
RiddellHobbsee: go ahead, I'll reverse anything I don't agree with :)04:12
HobbseeRiddell: hah.  great.  does that mean that i'll find all my changes reversed?04:12
Riddelldepends on my mood really, the swelling around the tooth in my mouth isn't hurting so much today so I'm not as grumpy as I have been :)04:12
Riddell(no, you won't)04:13
Hobbseeheh, right04:14
Riddellof course I have my final dentist appointment tomorrow, so I could be grumpy all day then!04:14
Hobbseeoh dear04:14
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Hobbseeer...why would you want kaffeine-xine a recommend?04:14
Riddellso you could install kaffeine-gstreamer?04:15
Hobbseebut that doesnt exist...oh wait, it does again now04:15
Hobbseei beleive kaffeine depends on kaffeine-xine04:16
Hobbseeer...i dont really want to put kate and kfind as recommends.04:16
Riddellwhy not?  apparantly some people prefer kwrite over kate, and kfind is rubbish04:16
Hobbseeisnt kfind the ctrl+f thing?04:17
Hobbseeoh true, i'd temporarily forgotten about kwrite04:17
Riddellkmenu->find files04:17
Hobbseeoh right, so it's not the thing in konq04:17
Riddellnot sure, it might be a kpart04:18
siretartkaffeine does now have a gstreamer backend? since when?04:18
Riddellsiretart: it again has one, since the new version was uploaded to gutsy04:19
siretartRiddell: what about amarok?04:20
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pygisiretart, amarok will have gst engine with 2.0, when it'll use phonon04:20
HobbseeRiddell: can i add adept in there?04:20
RiddellHobbsee: spose so04:21
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Riddellsiretart: no return of gstreamer to amarok until amarok 2 (with kde 4)04:21
pygisiretart, only amarok uses it?04:21
HobbseeRiddell: maybe even k-d-s?04:21
RiddellHobbsee: ok04:22
Riddellsiretart: even then it'll likely build-dep on xine still04:22
Riddellas will phonon04:22
siretartRiddell: no chance to use a plugin mechanism like gstreamer?04:23
siretartlike in having a 'xine' phonon plugin which can be demoted to universe?04:23
Riddellsiretart: it'll be a plugin sure, but I expect it'll be part of the same source package04:24
mhbHobbsee: is that troublesome adept bug fixed yet?04:25
Riddellmhb: no, although we know it's caused by an incompatibility with debtags, and I have old debtags ready to upload incase we don't fix it properly04:26
Hobbseemhb: not yet.  progress has been made.04:26
HobbseeRiddell: after i've done a bzr commit of the seeds, do i need to push too? it's showing up on codebase.l.n04:28
RiddellHobbsee: not if you have a checkout (rather than a branch)04:30
Riddellif it's on codebase then you have a checkout and don't need to push04:30
HobbseeRiddell: excellent :)04:30
Hobbseebzr still confuses me04:30
HobbseeRiddell: erk.  why, when i merged the ubuntu and kubuntu desktop seeds, did i get all the gnome depends at the end of the kubuntu desktop seed?04:32
Hobbsee(and why did i not get that last time?)04:32
RiddellHobbsee: it depends on the mood of bzr (probably means there has been an edit in that part of the ubuntu seeds)04:35
siretartHobbsee: in fact its quite easy if you understand the concepts 'bound branches', 'checkouts' and 'lightweight checkouts' (the former two are in fact the same)04:37
Hobbseesiretart: right.  i dont, overly much04:37
Riddelland you manage to remember which you have :)04:38
siretartthe difference between the latter two is that the last one has the history on the remote side, the former has the full history 'locally'04:38
doc_hi there :)04:45
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siretartdoes kubuntu have notification-daemon? or something similar?05:07
Riddellsiretart: no (it's hoped for in gutsy)05:08
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Riddellpackage updates can give users notification if they need to do something manually05:09
siretartRiddell: as in 'notification-daemon' from gnome, or something else but similar?05:09
Riddellsiretart: in adept05:11
Riddellsiretart: are we talking about the same thing?05:11
Hobbseeoh nice05:12
siretartRiddell: yes, we do05:12
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siretartRiddell: We are considering different methods of notification in a GUI application, which should work in both KDE and GNOME.05:13
siretartI'm not sure how widespread notification-daemon is in kde, therfore my question05:13
Riddellwell not at all, it's part of update-notifier, a gnome app05:14
Daskreech2Riddell: What's out stance on post install configurations?05:14
RiddellDaSkreech: same as anyone else's05:14
DaSkreechanyone else as in anyother distro or any other *buntu?05:14
Riddelldebian or ubuntu05:14
siretartRiddell: so it isn't used outside ubuntu?05:15
siretart(and debian, of course)05:15
Riddellsiretart: the thing that sits in the system tray and says "you upgraded your linux kernel, you need to reboot now"?  that's dpkg specific05:16
siretarthm. seems to be libnotify in effect05:16
siretartah, no I'm talking about libnotify05:16
Riddellthat's gnome specific05:16
Riddellkde has knotify05:16
siretartaah, thanks05:17
RiddellI doubt there's any sane way to use the preferred one in C(++), in python you could, but you'd probably be best to just use kdialog/xdialog05:17
mhbgreetings from gutsy05:22
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ryanakcahi mhb05:31
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mhbhi ryanakca, what's up?05:35
ryanakcamhb: not much, I'm trying to get my hands on a copy of 'Accelerated C++' so that I can hopefully start writing patches for KDE by the end of the summer... except that Chapters/Indigo (local bookstore chain) don't have it in stock... library doesn't have it... University might though...05:37
mhbfine, doing SoC and stuff05:39
mhbRiddell: does "hoped for" mean somebody is/will be working on it? (notifications)05:39
pygimhb, how is soc going for you?05:41
pygiDidn't knew you were a soc student05:42
mhbpygi: quite well, thank you05:42
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mhbpygi: at least that's what I think :o)05:42
pygihehe :)05:43
pygiSame here ;)05:43
Riddellmhb: meaning it's assigned to me and manchicken, but there's a bunch of adept stuff to do and it's not the easiest code base to work with05:44
Riddellvolunteers always welcome :)05:44
mhbpygi: it's nice of you to take care of k3b bugs and stuff05:44
pygimhb, :)05:45
Riddellpygi: oh, did you get a package of the new version?05:46
pygiRiddell, didn't we discuss that yesterday? And I was discussing it with Hobbsee entire day today :p05:47
pygiHobbsee, I could give you 1.0.2 package without problems, but it would still be  majorly broken05:47
pygiour package ships thousand of patches, and most don't work05:47
Riddellok, let's not bother with a quick package then05:48
pygiRiddell, but for gutsy, you'll have the best k3b package we ever had so far :005:49
DaSkreechJucato: man c++05:53
pygimhb, so you're the kde gdebi one? :)05:54
pygisaw Riddell uploading initial version?05:56
Riddellmvo did05:56
Riddelloh, we should add it to the seeds05:56
pygiok, but you posted it here ... so :P05:56
mhbpygi: yes, actually, mvo uploaded it05:56
RiddellHobbsee: why did you add kpager?05:57
HobbseeRiddell: see the bugs listed05:57
Hobbseefor the rationale05:58
RiddellHobbsee: do people actually have any sane need for kpager?05:58
Riddellit's an ugly app and doesn't add anything05:58
RiddellI'd much rather fix the pager applet menu05:58
HobbseeRiddell: as in, patch the "launch pager" bit out?05:59
RiddellHobbsee: yes05:59
Riddelldo people want to remove wodim, cdparanoia, dvd+rw-tools?06:00
Hobbseesure, if they're using another backend06:00
Hobbseei thought?06:00
pygithey could use cdrskin instead of wodim06:00
pygiand they'll have a chance with new k3b upload06:01
pygijust gimme time :p06:01
HobbseeRiddell: oh, i see.  dunno why you couldnt have commented that on the bug report, before changing it.06:01
HobbseeRiddell: that's...odd06:01
Hobbseethe kpager functionality is only available when the kicker applet does exactly hte same thing.06:01
Hobbseethen patching it would be...more sensible, yes.06:03
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manchickenKDE really is the ideal DE for folks working from home.06:11
manchickenIt is insane how much KDE makes my job easier.06:12
manchickenNow if only Quanta+ sucked a little less :)06:12
RiddellI've never seen the use of Quanta, it's a text editor with some buttons for html tags06:12
manchickenIt's a bit more friendly with web projects.06:14
manchickenAnd Kate doesn't support displaying remote locations in the file display.06:14
manchickenQuanta has more neat little shortcuts, and it has the side-by-side view with code.06:15
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Riddellif anyone has kde trunk about please check it works and doesn't break the world06:20
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manchickenIsn't quanta+ supposed to know how to ignore SVN stuff?06:31
nixternalRiddell: it is Monday, KDE trunk always breaks the world06:42
nixternalKDE trunk on Friday was good to go, because I set it up to show off on Saturday06:42
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DaSkreechmanchicken: scheme-qt?07:07
manchickenDaSkreech: I haven't touched scheme much lately.07:16
manchickenIt just is not as convenient for me as Perl is.07:16
nixternalhahahaha, the post on Planet KDE about aseigo and Tom Green kills me07:23
nixternalI always had this inkling that aseigo reminded me of someone, now I know07:24
manchickenI wish that kate had more of the functionality of quanta.07:33
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manchickenThe big thing I want is the tree view for the file browser.07:34
nixternalyou can't get tree view with Kate?07:37
manchickenI don't think so.07:45
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pygihey Arby07:58
Arbyhi pygi07:59
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manchickenThis Perl-Qt thing lets me turn my quick fix scripts and turn them into quick & dirty GUI fixers.08:15
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manchickenI even have it using kdesu.08:16
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manchickenDoes Kate know how to play with tags files?08:46
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hungerRiddell: kde trunk from about 16:00 builds for me (up to and including kdebase). Seems to work, too.09:06
hungerRiddell: Oh, sorry, just saw that question was from before I came back online:-)09:06
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_StefanS_mhb: ping?10:39
_StefanS_mhb: didn't forget about you ..10:41
_StefanS_mhb: I've had a tough weekend, so didn't get much done10:42
_StefanS_mhb:  = zero10:42
=== pygi wonders what is _StefanS_ doing
_StefanS_pygi: adept , dpkg configure -a detection10:43
_StefanS_donno if someone took over though..10:43
mhbnot that I know of10:43
mhb_StefanS_: they have a hard time fixing Adept bugs in Gutsy10:43
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mhb_StefanS_: when do you have some free time to look at it?10:46
_StefanS_mhb: now, and tomorrow10:46
mhb_StefanS_: cool10:46
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_StefanS_mhb: I just read through the logfile where we discussed it ;)10:46
_StefanS_mhb: couldn't quite remember your pseudo code10:47
mhb_StefanS_: one minute10:48
_StefanS_mhb: dont bother, I already have it10:48
mhb_StefanS_: it was super simple, because I don't know the details10:48
mhbbut it really should be an easy one10:48
_StefanS_mhb: ok, we've got the manager, installer, and kubuntu_upgrader.. I dont think they share that much code, but all should have that check10:49
_StefanS_libadept it seems10:50
mhb_StefanS_: I'm certain they share the code that checks if the dpkg database is locked10:50
_StefanS_mhb: "10:50
_StefanS_Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:32:21]  Quit Lure has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).10:50
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:32:39]  <mhb> _StefanS_: right after the start, adept checks for dpkg being locked10:50
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:33:10]  <mhb> _StefanS_: in pseudocode, something like this should follow:10:50
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:33:34]  <mhb> _StefanS_: if(DpkgIsLocked) {10:50
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:33:54]  <mhb> _StefanS_: if(DpkgConfigureWillFix) {10:51
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:34:15]  <mhb> printf("running dpkg --configure will do.")10:51
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:34:21]  <mhb> }10:51
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:34:47]  <mhb> _StefanS_: else {10:51
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:35:08]  <mhb> _StefanS_: printf("you may have more package managers running");10:51
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:35:16]  <mhb> _StefanS_: }10:51
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:35:19]  <mhb> _StefanS_: }10:51
_StefanS_[Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:35:49]  <_StefanS_> mhb: alright, I guess we need some sort of visual stuff to show what is happening ? (like the "install-packages thing" where you can wait till it finishes, and select details to see the console output10:51
_StefanS_mhb: "Read Only mode: Database Locked"10:51
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)10:51
_StefanS_DaSkreech: bah :P - like I dont know that..10:51
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_StefanS_DaSkreech: I was a MISTAKE10:52
DaSkreechHeehee :)10:52
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ScottK_StefanS_: Thanks for the I/It correction. I was worried for a minute.10:54
_StefanS_bah again :D10:54
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ScottK_StefanS_: Great.  Perfect time to abuse you.  You can't fight back ;-)10:55
pygimhb, I thought some time ago we had upstream adept author with us?10:55
_StefanS_pygi: like manchicken?10:56
pygiprobably not him10:56
pyginop, surely not him10:56
_StefanS_pygi: or Peter Rockai?10:56
=== manchicken isn't upstream.
_StefanS_manchicken: you're not even in a stream :D10:56
pygi_StefanS_, don't think he was the one as well10:56
manchickenAnd I'd like to note that none is like manchicken.10:56
manchickenExcept manchicken.10:56
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manchickenpygi: I think Peter was the fella.  mornfall is his name IIRC.10:57
_StefanS_manchicken: are you having time to hack again ?10:57
pygimanchicken, yes, he :p10:57
DaSkreech_StefanS_: well if you were a mistake... I'd blame nixternal :)10:57
pygimanchicken, why don't we have him anymore?10:57
mhbpygi: there was only mornfall and manchicken10:57
manchicken_StefanS_: If adept dependencies weren't hosed I would :)10:57
pygimhb, yes, yes, mornfall :)10:57
pygiwhere is he? ^_^10:57
mhbpygi: Peter Rockai10:58
nixternalmornfall is still around10:58
manchickenpygi: I think he got married or had a kid or went into a coma or something.10:58
pyginixternal, oki doki :010:58
pygimhb, know that, thanks :)10:58
_StefanS_like had a life probably :D10:58
manchickenpygi: Or maybe all thre.10:58
pygijust forgot a nick :P10:58
nixternalhe is in kde-devel right now10:58
manchickenEither way he doesn't seem to have as much time anymore.10:58
mhbpygi: last I knew, he was working for RH10:58
manchickennixternal: He's always in kde-devel :)10:58
manchickenHe's usually AFK, too.10:58
nixternals/usually/always ;)10:58
_StefanS_manchicken: I will look at that clean thingy tomorrow, just so you know it (if you decide to hack it in yourself)10:59
_StefanS_hey maybe I was a mistake.. :D10:59
manchickenClean thingy?10:59
_StefanS_manchicken: dpkg configure -a10:59
_StefanS_manchicken: like mhb said..10:59
manchickenYeah, the problem is that adept won't run properly right now under gutsy.10:59
_StefanS_I going to bed, mistake or not hehe10:59
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manchickenSo it's kinda impossible to run the debugger on it.11:00
manchickenWhich is how I was hoping to sort that issue out.11:00
manchickenYou can totally do it yourself if you want though :)11:00
_StefanS_manchicken: uhm ok, sounds bad.11:00
nixternalRiddell: I was looking for some love on my MOTU app, I think Hobbsee CC'd ya, but so far it looks like it is going to go through to the TB soon :)11:00
mhbmanchicken: hopefully _StefanS_ is still on Feisty11:00
manchicken_StefanS_: It's certainly not good :)11:00
manchickenI'm still on feisty, but I'm hacking adept under gutsy :)11:01
manchickenFrom jr's bzr branch.11:01
_StefanS_manchicken: well I will take that cleanup first and get acquainted with the code11:01
_StefanS_mhb: I have both11:01
nixternalmanchicken: if you need some Gutsy testing, sling me the source or a pkg and I will check it out..if you send the source I can package it11:01
_StefanS_I'm off. Have a nice one all..11:01
manchickennixternal: It's a dependency issue with libapt IIRC.11:01
nixternallater _StefanS_11:01
nixternalahhh, I thought all that got worked out11:02
manchickenAdept screams that it can't connect to apt, and then dies.11:02
nixternalso there is no issues now..lovely :)11:02
mhbnixternal: you want stuff to test?11:03
nixternaldepends ;p11:03
manchickennixternal: There were changes made to libapt IIRC.11:03
mhbnixternal: go, download and use gdebi-kde, the Next Small Thing :o)11:03
manchickenI think Riddell knows what's going on, so I've been hanging back while he works on it.11:03
nixternalas long as it doesn't totally destroy my lappy...I am using it as my main box and running Gutsy, so I tend to scare easily :)11:03
manchickenIs there a kate plugin that can work with tags?11:04
nixternalmhb: where is gdebi-kde?11:04
ScottKnixternal: If your are running Gutsy on your main box and scare easily, I'm wondering what else is wrong with you that you are running Gutsy?11:04
mhbnixternal: apt-cache search?11:05
manchickenOoh, there's a kate-plugins package....11:05
mhbScottK: I'm also running gutsy on my main computer11:06
ScottKYeah, but you didn't say you scare easliy.11:06
mhbScottK: I encounter even less crashes then I did with Feisty11:06
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nixternalmhb: I didn't see gdebi-kde though11:11
mhbnixternal: hmm, strange11:12
mhbnixternal: I'm pretty certain it's there already11:12
mhbnixternal: try updating... (500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages)11:12
nixternalahh there it is11:12
nixternalapt-get update grabbed it11:13
nixternalerr, found it11:13
manchickenThere's a few useful Kate plugins in the kate-plugins package, but there is nothing to work with TAGS files.11:14
manchickenThat stinks.11:14
manchickenand the symbol list plugin only works with C/C++11:14
nixternalwell, it doesn't work :)11:16
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mhbnixternal: it doesn't?11:18
nixternalno, it opens up the .deb and gives you all the info, but as soon as you click install it just closes11:18
nixternaland gdeb-kde --help is broken as well11:19
nixternal/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:18: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)11:19
nixternalgotta remember to do / before I paste something like that again :)11:19
mhbnixternal: that's weird11:20
mhbnixternal: it works here, but I don't have the package yet, just the code the package was made from11:22
nixternalahh, if I run it from the cli it works11:25
mhbnixternal: it works here from dolphin, too11:26
nixternalmhb: it seems when I run it by clicking on a .deb, it doesn't install it, it stops right before it prompts for password11:26
mhbnixternal: not here11:27
mhbnixternal: see, that's why I like wide testing :o)11:27
nixternalis the Kubuntu Package Menu part of this? I don't remember seeing that before?11:27
nixternalmhb: I can guarantee it has to do with kdesu/kdesudo...because after I have entered my password and it is stored in kwallet or the agent or whatever, it works fine11:29
mhbnixternal: hmm, strange11:29
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mhbnixternal: I'm on gutsy here and all is well11:29
mhbnixternal: you use kdesudo?11:29
nixternalI will try it again when I get to school, because I will have to shutdown..so I will start fresh11:29
nixternaltypically no, but it calls it from what I can see11:30
mhbit calls kdesu here11:30
nixternalsame here, sorry11:30
mhbnixternal: and this is a brand new app11:31
mhbnixternal: uploaded today - KDE frontend for gdebi, which is old11:31
nixternalthis will definitely be great for new users, especially once Ark stops opening .deb files11:31
mhbnixternal: I hope so, too.11:32
mhbnixternal: I'll be happy to try and find the cause of the bug you encounter once you have some time.11:33
nixternaloh no, no hoping on this one...I know it will be...in kubuntuforums there are a ton of questions that concern something like this with Adept, and that is why a lot has switched to Synaptic11:33
nixternalyou can install local files with Synaptic, and now that Kubuntu has something like this, it is going to rock!11:33
nixternalI can help out during Java class tonight :)11:34
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nixternalJava is kind of cool actually11:35
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n8k99i had trouble writing actionevent handlers for guis11:36
n8k99need to go back over that11:36
nixternalI want to play with the new Qt 4.3 Jamba toolkit for Java11:36
pygianyone knows where can I see build queue?11:37
n8k99isnt there supposed to be greater java support written into kdevelop/11:37
crimsunpygi: LP/ubuntu/$release/+queue11:37
pygicrimsun, thanks11:38
mhbnixternal: when is "tonight"?11:40
ScottKIt's always tonight somewhere...11:40
nixternaloh shoot, In about 1.5 hours :)11:40
nixternal5 o'clock somewhere!11:41
nixternalI need to get going....I have to leave in like 20 minutes and I need to shower11:41
ScottKnixternal: TMI11:41
n8k99i could tell that in the next time zone11:41
nixternalonly TMI if you closed your eyes and thought about it ;p11:41
ScottKThanks.  I hadn't done that until you mentioned it.11:42
nixternaloh lord, get the bleach!11:42
ScottKMental floss11:42
crimsunheh, I misread that "bleach" as "blech"11:42

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