=== apacheLAGger [n=me@N953P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Tribe 1 released! === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 7 16:18:04 2007 === #kubuntu-devel [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.49.127] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.192.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-255-37-68.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.110] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl_ [n=michael@e180064180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/kubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Tribe 1 released! === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 7 16:18:04 2007 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-26-186.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=chatzill@dial-207-254-131-5.dyn.infochan.com] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === |TheInfinity| [n=TheInfin@p508F12F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === renate [n=renate@p57AEE0F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === renate is now known as glatzor === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cynics [n=cynics@58.31.11.250] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F75422.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEE0F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |TheInfinity| [n=TheInfin@WL-POOL00-39.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zerlinna [n=mirjam@C2a9c.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:03] good morning [11:23] ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/win 12 [11:23] err [11:27] O.o [11:33] a ~[6 for all of us :o) === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495603E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.110] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |TheInfinity| [n=TheInfin@p508F12F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a546:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@05-018.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:03] heh...this may sound drazy, but has anyone ever tried making a source compiler for apt? [02:03] it has all the tootls for finding dependencies and all [02:04] you mean apt-get build ? :P [02:04] rgh [02:04] wrong :) [02:04] I guess. [02:04] sudo apt-get build-dep package [02:04] :) [02:04] whatever,, [02:04] ;) [02:05] build-dep causes apt-get to install/remove packages in an attempt to satisfy the build dependencies for a source package. [02:05] that should help ^_^ [02:06] yeah....... but has anyone ever made a nice little graphical program for doing it? [02:07] nosrednaekim, just go to #synaptic and ask mvo :P [02:07] doubt it, perhaps synaptic has some secret powers [02:08] no.... I know you can't do anything presently.. [02:08] but it would be a amzing to integrate that ability [02:09] hum, and how GUI makes it better than its now? [02:09] right, kids doesn't afraid === Tm_T hides [02:10] Tm_T, :P === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:11] well... at least a nice single command... that automatically grans the source deb,etc [02:11] *grabs [02:11] apt-get source package [02:11] without sudo even =) [02:11] I don't think apt was made for that purpose... compiling from source [02:12] ERR! [02:12] so what? [02:12] so what what? [02:12] ok... then lets modify smart to do it === nosrednaekim hodes from his bad idea [02:17] *hides === manchicken__ backhands nosrednaekim :) === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387E651.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato drags nosrednaekim back to the front [02:18] apt-get can compile from source. [02:18] manchicken: it can? which command? [02:18] apt-get source --compile PACKAGE [02:19] oh [02:19] see! I can't always be right :) [02:19] you do ofcourse use build-dep as well with thiat [02:19] pygi: If you don't already have the deps installed. [02:19] manchicken, yup [02:19] I think that would be a killer function [02:19] The build process will yell at you if you're missing deps. [02:20] nosrednaekim: What would be what? [02:20] a program to easily compile source debs [02:20] apt-get does that. [02:21] I don't think it would be used very often. === Jucato also thinks it's a bit... shaky... not going through proper packaging process.... but maybe better than checkinstall :) [02:22] There's not really any benefit to building packages from source for the vast majority of users. [02:22] nosrednaekim, we just told you it can be done with apt-get [02:23] but what if they are trying to compile something not in apt? [02:23] er... I don't think that could be done with apt... [02:23] I mean, I keep my own builds of programs sometimes when I have tweaked them or something until the patch makes it into the distro, but that's a very rare case. [02:23] dpkg-source -x *.dsc [02:23] cd whatever/ [02:23] debuild -S(or whatever other arguments) [02:23] cd .. [02:23] nosrednaekim: That's even more of an exception case. [02:23] man page says "Compile source packages after downloading them. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Compile." [02:23] pbuilder bbla-bla.dsc [02:23] so the presumption is that there's a source package for it that apt recognizes [02:24] a.k.a. in some repository [02:25] nosrednaekim: If we know so little about a package that it isn't in any repositories--including universe and multiverse repos--then I think supporting a build of a package may be much more complicated than you're giving credit for. [02:25] true... [02:26] come to think of it...most people building their own packages are doing it with special options [02:26] Yup. [02:27] There're just too many exception cases in that area that are very complicated. I don't see any point to putting that much work into something that will be used so infrequently by so few folks. [02:27] yeah. [02:28] oh well.... see ya'll later [02:28] Righto. === nosrednaekim [n=michael@05-018.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] [gutsy-changes] Accepted gdebi 0.3.0ubuntu1 GDebi/GDebiKDE.py yay! [03:05] well done manchicken [03:05] err [03:05] well done mhb === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:05] woo! [03:05] morning Riddell [03:06] manchicken, you're the soc student for gdebiKDE? :) [03:06] ergh :P [03:06] mhb, you the student? :pp === pygi forgot [03:08] manchicken: are you my sith apprentice? [03:10] Riddell: looks like the bug is thrown back to you [03:18] I am not a student. [03:20] was poking mhb :P [03:20] Riddell: Do you know if Tonio got my katapult changes yet? [03:20] pygi: Gotcha. [03:21] manchicken: no idea [03:21] They should probably go upstream, too.... [03:21] I've long since lost track of where upstream is [03:21] Grrr... work... [03:21] Riddell: To be completely honest with you, I'm disinclined to find out :) === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === rdieter [n=rdieter@sting.unl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:33] hi rdieter, all set for coming to scotland at the end of the week? [03:34] Riddell: certainly am, looking forward to it. [03:34] manchicken: Katapult? Mez is supposed to be back. guess he logged off... [03:34] manchicken: I'll poke him about your changes if I catch him. where are they located? Bzr? [03:38] They're on a bug report.... from about a week back about SQL. If you look, I'm the one who posted the bug. [03:38] I put the patch in the bug report. [03:38] ok. the bug report is in LP or b.k.o.? [03:38] LP [03:39] ok === apachelogger [n=me@N833P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:47] Jucato: Find it? [03:48] oh sorry I was away [03:48] Not a problem :) [03:52] manchicken: um.. maybe you could give me a hint/bug number? I'll just forward it in #katapult :) === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:55] Bug #120575 [03:55] Launchpad bug 120575 in katapult "Katapult is utilizing non-standard SQL which results in SQL errors in PostgreSQL and other standards compiant DBMS'." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120575 [03:55] ok thanks. I'll give it to him when I see him... if Tonio hasn't done anything yet [03:55] Righto. [03:56] The fix is already there, and I have been using that version since I posted the patch. [03:56] he seems to have been online 2 hours ago though [03:56] It does work. [03:56] I mean Mez [03:56] If they need anymore help with the SQL stuff in katapult I'd be happy to lend a hand here and there. I'm pretty handy with SQL. [03:57] :) [03:58] !logs [03:58] Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs [04:02] pygi: yes, I am [04:02] pygi: didn't I tell you yesterday? [04:02] does kdesu work for people? [04:02] it's broken on one of my machines [04:03] Works for me. [04:04] But I'm not on gutsy... [04:04] heh :) [04:04] I have trouble with sudo [04:04] Riddell: good luck on aKademy/Akademy! just a few days to go :) [04:04] on feisty, but that's not what you ask about === Hobbsee is using the kdesudo branch [04:07] Riddell: what are your final thougths on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/119467 ? [04:07] Launchpad bug 119467 in kubuntu-meta "make non-essential packages Recommends and not Depends" [Medium,Confirmed] [04:08] Riddell: thank you, too === |sahin_w| [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:10] Hobbsee: you'd need to be fast if you wanted to do it in time for tribe 2 :) [04:11] Riddell: it's not tuesday in msot countries yet [04:11] but yes [04:11] Riddell: as in, do you have any problems technically with doing it? [04:11] Riddell: i've had to do an exam and go to wokr today, so couldnt do it earlier. [04:12] Hobbsee: go ahead, I'll reverse anything I don't agree with :) [04:12] Riddell: hah. great. does that mean that i'll find all my changes reversed? [04:12] depends on my mood really, the swelling around the tooth in my mouth isn't hurting so much today so I'm not as grumpy as I have been :) [04:13] (no, you won't) [04:14] heh, right [04:14] of course I have my final dentist appointment tomorrow, so I could be grumpy all day then! [04:14] oh dear === cynics [n=cynics@123.116.97.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:14] er...why would you want kaffeine-xine a recommend? [04:15] so you could install kaffeine-gstreamer? [04:15] but that doesnt exist...oh wait, it does again now [04:16] i beleive kaffeine depends on kaffeine-xine [04:16] er...i dont really want to put kate and kfind as recommends. [04:16] why not? apparantly some people prefer kwrite over kate, and kfind is rubbish [04:17] isnt kfind the ctrl+f thing? [04:17] oh true, i'd temporarily forgotten about kwrite [04:17] kmenu->find files [04:17] oh right, so it's not the thing in konq [04:18] not sure, it might be a kpart [04:18] kaffeine does now have a gstreamer backend? since when? [04:19] siretart: it again has one, since the new version was uploaded to gutsy [04:20] Riddell: what about amarok? === _marseillais is now known as marseillai === doc_ [n=doc@15.Red-80-37-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:20] siretart, amarok will have gst engine with 2.0, when it'll use phonon [04:20] afaik [04:20] Riddell: can i add adept in there? [04:21] Hobbsee: spose so === siretart dared to hope to drop xine from main ;) [04:21] excellent! [04:21] siretart: no return of gstreamer to amarok until amarok 2 (with kde 4) [04:21] siretart, only amarok uses it? [04:21] Riddell: maybe even k-d-s? [04:22] Hobbsee: ok [04:22] k [04:22] siretart: even then it'll likely build-dep on xine still [04:22] as will phonon [04:23] Riddell: no chance to use a plugin mechanism like gstreamer? [04:23] like in having a 'xine' phonon plugin which can be demoted to universe? [04:24] siretart: it'll be a plugin sure, but I expect it'll be part of the same source package [04:25] Hobbsee: is that troublesome adept bug fixed yet? [04:26] mhb: no, although we know it's caused by an incompatibility with debtags, and I have old debtags ready to upload incase we don't fix it properly [04:26] mhb: not yet. progress has been made. [04:28] Riddell: after i've done a bzr commit of the seeds, do i need to push too? it's showing up on codebase.l.n [04:30] Hobbsee: not if you have a checkout (rather than a branch) [04:30] if it's on codebase then you have a checkout and don't need to push [04:30] Riddell: excellent :) [04:30] bzr still confuses me [04:32] Riddell: erk. why, when i merged the ubuntu and kubuntu desktop seeds, did i get all the gnome depends at the end of the kubuntu desktop seed? [04:32] (and why did i not get that last time?) [04:35] Hobbsee: it depends on the mood of bzr (probably means there has been an edit in that part of the ubuntu seeds) [04:35] right [04:37] Hobbsee: in fact its quite easy if you understand the concepts 'bound branches', 'checkouts' and 'lightweight checkouts' (the former two are in fact the same) [04:37] siretart: right. i dont, overly much [04:38] and you manage to remember which you have :) [04:38] the difference between the latter two is that the last one has the history on the remote side, the former has the full history 'locally' [04:38] right [04:45] hi there :) [04:46] hiya === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_ is now known as jpetso === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:07] does kubuntu have notification-daemon? or something similar? [05:08] siretart: no (it's hoped for in gutsy) === Hobbsee wonders...notification-daemon? [05:09] package updates can give users notification if they need to do something manually [05:09] Riddell: as in 'notification-daemon' from gnome, or something else but similar? [05:11] siretart: in adept [05:11] siretart: are we talking about the same thing? [05:12] oh nice [05:12] Riddell: yes, we do === Daskreech2 [n=skreech@port0180-aby-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:13] Riddell: We are considering different methods of notification in a GUI application, which should work in both KDE and GNOME. [05:13] I'm not sure how widespread notification-daemon is in kde, therfore my question [05:14] well not at all, it's part of update-notifier, a gnome app [05:14] Riddell: What's out stance on post install configurations? [05:14] DaSkreech: same as anyone else's [05:14] anyone else as in anyother distro or any other *buntu? [05:14] debian or ubuntu [05:15] Riddell: so it isn't used outside ubuntu? [05:15] (and debian, of course) [05:16] siretart: the thing that sits in the system tray and says "you upgraded your linux kernel, you need to reboot now"? that's dpkg specific [05:16] hm. seems to be libnotify in effect [05:16] ah, no I'm talking about libnotify [05:16] right [05:16] that's gnome specific [05:16] kde has knotify [05:17] aah, thanks [05:17] I doubt there's any sane way to use the preferred one in C(++), in python you could, but you'd probably be best to just use kdialog/xdialog [05:22] greetings from gutsy === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:31] hi mhb === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-67-143.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] hi ryanakca, what's up? [05:37] mhb: not much, I'm trying to get my hands on a copy of 'Accelerated C++' so that I can hopefully start writing patches for KDE by the end of the summer... except that Chapters/Indigo (local bookstore chain) don't have it in stock... library doesn't have it... University might though... [05:37] You? [05:39] fine, doing SoC and stuff [05:39] Riddell: does "hoped for" mean somebody is/will be working on it? (notifications) [05:41] mhb, how is soc going for you? [05:42] Didn't knew you were a soc student [05:42] pygi: quite well, thank you === Jucato has C++ How to Program from Deitel... still need to look for up to date editions of other C++ books... [05:42] pygi: at least that's what I think :o) [05:43] hehe :) [05:43] Same here ;) [05:44] mhb: meaning it's assigned to me and manchicken, but there's a bunch of adept stuff to do and it's not the easiest code base to work with [05:44] volunteers always welcome :) [05:44] pygi: it's nice of you to take care of k3b bugs and stuff [05:45] mhb, :) [05:46] pygi: oh, did you get a package of the new version? [05:47] Riddell, didn't we discuss that yesterday? And I was discussing it with Hobbsee entire day today :p [05:47] Hobbsee, I could give you 1.0.2 package without problems, but it would still be majorly broken [05:47] our package ships thousand of patches, and most don't work [05:48] ok, let's not bother with a quick package then [05:48] indeed [05:49] Riddell, but for gutsy, you'll have the best k3b package we ever had so far :0 [05:49] awooga [05:50] :) [05:53] Jucato: man c++ [05:53] :P [05:54] mhb, so you're the kde gdebi one? :) [05:56] saw Riddell uploading initial version? [05:56] mvo did [05:56] oh, we should add it to the seeds [05:56] ok, but you posted it here ... so :P [05:56] pygi: yes, actually, mvo uploaded it [05:57] Hobbsee: why did you add kpager? [05:57] Riddell: see the bugs listed [05:58] for the rationale [05:58] Hobbsee: do people actually have any sane need for kpager? [05:58] it's an ugly app and doesn't add anything [05:58] I'd much rather fix the pager applet menu [05:59] Riddell: as in, patch the "launch pager" bit out? [05:59] Hobbsee: yes [06:00] do people want to remove wodim, cdparanoia, dvd+rw-tools? [06:00] sure, if they're using another backend [06:00] ne [06:00] ergh [06:00] i thought? [06:00] they could use cdrskin instead of wodim [06:00] :) [06:00] ok [06:01] and they'll have a chance with new k3b upload [06:01] just gimme time :p [06:01] Riddell: oh, i see. dunno why you couldnt have commented that on the bug report, before changing it. [06:01] Riddell: that's...odd [06:01] the kpager functionality is only available when the kicker applet does exactly hte same thing. [06:03] then patching it would be...more sensible, yes. === Riddell accepts gdebi-kde [06:11] KDE really is the ideal DE for folks working from home. [06:12] It is insane how much KDE makes my job easier. [06:12] Now if only Quanta+ sucked a little less :) [06:12] I've never seen the use of Quanta, it's a text editor with some buttons for html tags [06:14] It's a bit more friendly with web projects. [06:14] And Kate doesn't support displaying remote locations in the file display. [06:15] Quanta has more neat little shortcuts, and it has the side-by-side view with code. === Riddell moves system settings to kdebase [06:20] if anyone has kde trunk about please check it works and doesn't break the world === manchicken hugs Perl-Qt... [06:31] Isn't quanta+ supposed to know how to ignore SVN stuff? [06:42] Riddell: it is Monday, KDE trunk always breaks the world [06:42] KDE trunk on Friday was good to go, because I set it up to show off on Saturday === Zerlinna [n=mirjam@C2a9c.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEF5E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:07] manchicken: scheme-qt? [07:16] DaSkreech: I haven't touched scheme much lately. [07:16] It just is not as convenient for me as Perl is. [07:23] hahahaha, the post on Planet KDE about aseigo and Tom Green kills me [07:24] I always had this inkling that aseigo reminded me of someone, now I know [07:33] I wish that kate had more of the functionality of quanta. === giangy [i=giangy@voyager.techtemple.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:34] The big thing I want is the tree view for the file browser. [07:37] you can't get tree view with Kate? [07:45] I don't think so. === Arby [n=richard@82.153.8.93] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:58] hey Arby [07:59] hi pygi === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-058-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby_ [n=richard@82.152.97.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:15] This Perl-Qt thing lets me turn my quick fix scripts and turn them into quick & dirty GUI fixers. === Arby_ is now known as Arby [08:16] I even have it using kdesu. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === giangy [i=giangy@voyager.techtemple.org] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === giangy [i=giangy@voyager.techtemple.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.97.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.97.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44305.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.97.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:46] Does Kate know how to play with tags files? === Arby [n=richard@82.152.97.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.97.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A721EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.97.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:06] Riddell: kde trunk from about 16:00 builds for me (up to and including kdebase). Seems to work, too. [09:06] Riddell: Oh, sorry, just saw that question was from before I came back online:-) === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.97.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.178.121] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N920P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:39] <_StefanS_> evening [10:39] <_StefanS_> mhb: ping? [10:41] heya [10:41] <_StefanS_> mhb: didn't forget about you .. [10:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: I've had a tough weekend, so didn't get much done [10:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: = zero === pygi wonders what is _StefanS_ doing [10:43] <_StefanS_> pygi: adept , dpkg configure -a detection [10:43] <_StefanS_> donno if someone took over though.. [10:43] not that I know of [10:43] _StefanS_: they have a hard time fixing Adept bugs in Gutsy === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:46] _StefanS_: when do you have some free time to look at it? [10:46] <_StefanS_> mhb: now, and tomorrow [10:46] _StefanS_: cool === Arby [n=richard@82.152.178.121] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:46] <_StefanS_> mhb: I just read through the logfile where we discussed it ;) [10:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: couldn't quite remember your pseudo code [10:48] _StefanS_: one minute [10:48] <_StefanS_> mhb: dont bother, I already have it [10:48] _StefanS_: it was super simple, because I don't know the details [10:48] but it really should be an easy one [10:49] <_StefanS_> mhb: ok, we've got the manager, installer, and kubuntu_upgrader.. I dont think they share that much code, but all should have that check [10:50] <_StefanS_> libadept it seems [10:50] _StefanS_: I'm certain they share the code that checks if the dpkg database is locked [10:50] <_StefanS_> mhb: " [10:50] <_StefanS_> Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:32:21] Quit Lure has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [10:50] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:32:39] _StefanS_: right after the start, adept checks for dpkg being locked [10:50] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:33:10] _StefanS_: in pseudocode, something like this should follow: [10:50] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:33:34] _StefanS_: if(DpkgIsLocked) { [10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:33:54] _StefanS_: if(DpkgConfigureWillFix) { [10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:34:15] printf("running dpkg --configure will do.") [10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:34:21] } [10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:34:47] _StefanS_: else { [10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:35:08] _StefanS_: printf("you may have more package managers running"); [10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:35:16] _StefanS_: } [10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:35:19] _StefanS_: } [10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007] [10:35:49] <_StefanS_> mhb: alright, I guess we need some sort of visual stuff to show what is happening ? (like the "install-packages thing" where you can wait till it finishes, and select details to see the console output [10:51] <_StefanS_> argh [10:51] <_StefanS_> sorry [10:51] <_StefanS_> mhb: "Read Only mode: Database Locked" [10:51] !paste [10:51] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [10:51] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: bah :P - like I dont know that.. === mbiebl [n=michael@e180067242.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:52] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: I was a MISTAKE [10:52] Heehee :) [10:52] <_StefanS_> I/It === _StefanS_ slaps DaSkreech [10:52] <_StefanS_> :D === DaSkreech botslaps _StefanS_ [10:54] _StefanS_: Thanks for the I/It correction. I was worried for a minute. [10:54] <_StefanS_> bah again :D === _StefanS_ is quite tired.. [10:55] _StefanS_: Great. Perfect time to abuse you. You can't fight back ;-) [10:55] <_StefanS_> hehe [10:55] mhb, I thought some time ago we had upstream adept author with us? [10:56] <_StefanS_> pygi: like manchicken? [10:56] probably not him [10:56] nop, surely not him [10:56] <_StefanS_> pygi: or Peter Rockai? === manchicken isn't upstream. [10:56] <_StefanS_> manchicken: you're not even in a stream :D [10:56] _StefanS_, don't think he was the one as well [10:56] And I'd like to note that none is like manchicken. [10:56] Noted [10:56] Except manchicken. === pygi kicks manchicken [10:57] pygi: I think Peter was the fella. mornfall is his name IIRC. [10:57] <_StefanS_> manchicken: are you having time to hack again ? [10:57] manchicken, yes, he :p [10:57] _StefanS_: well if you were a mistake... I'd blame nixternal :) [10:57] bah [10:57] manchicken, why don't we have him anymore? [10:57] pygi: there was only mornfall and manchicken [10:57] _StefanS_: If adept dependencies weren't hosed I would :) [10:57] mhb, yes, yes, mornfall :) [10:57] where is he? ^_^ [10:58] pygi: Peter Rockai [10:58] mornfall is still around [10:58] pygi: I think he got married or had a kid or went into a coma or something. [10:58] nixternal, oki doki :0 [10:58] mhb, know that, thanks :) [10:58] <_StefanS_> like had a life probably :D [10:58] pygi: Or maybe all thre. [10:58] just forgot a nick :P [10:58] he is in kde-devel right now [10:58] Either way he doesn't seem to have as much time anymore. [10:58] pygi: last I knew, he was working for RH [10:58] nixternal: He's always in kde-devel :) [10:58] yup [10:58] He's usually AFK, too. [10:58] s/usually/always ;) [10:59] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I will look at that clean thingy tomorrow, just so you know it (if you decide to hack it in yourself) [10:59] <_StefanS_> hey maybe I was a mistake.. :D [10:59] Clean thingy? [10:59] <_StefanS_> manchicken: dpkg configure -a [10:59] <_StefanS_> manchicken: like mhb said.. [10:59] Righto. [10:59] Yeah, the problem is that adept won't run properly right now under gutsy. [10:59] <_StefanS_> I going to bed, mistake or not hehe === pygi shoots down _StefanS_ === _StefanS_ can only say 'I' today.. [11:00] <_StefanS_> nighty. [11:00] So it's kinda impossible to run the debugger on it. [11:00] Which is how I was hoping to sort that issue out. [11:00] You can totally do it yourself if you want though :) [11:00] <_StefanS_> manchicken: uhm ok, sounds bad. [11:00] Riddell: I was looking for some love on my MOTU app, I think Hobbsee CC'd ya, but so far it looks like it is going to go through to the TB soon :) [11:00] manchicken: hopefully _StefanS_ is still on Feisty [11:00] _StefanS_: It's certainly not good :) [11:01] I'm still on feisty, but I'm hacking adept under gutsy :) [11:01] From jr's bzr branch. [11:01] <_StefanS_> manchicken: well I will take that cleanup first and get acquainted with the code [11:01] <_StefanS_> mhb: I have both [11:01] manchicken: if you need some Gutsy testing, sling me the source or a pkg and I will check it out..if you send the source I can package it [11:01] Righto. [11:01] <_StefanS_> I'm off. Have a nice one all.. [11:01] nixternal: It's a dependency issue with libapt IIRC. [11:01] later _StefanS_ [11:02] ahhh, I thought all that got worked out [11:02] Adept screams that it can't connect to apt, and then dies. [11:02] ahhh [11:02] so there is no issues now..lovely :) [11:02] s/no/new [11:02] jeesh [11:03] nixternal: you want stuff to test? [11:03] depends ;p [11:03] nixternal: There were changes made to libapt IIRC. [11:03] nixternal: go, download and use gdebi-kde, the Next Small Thing :o) [11:03] I think Riddell knows what's going on, so I've been hanging back while he works on it. [11:03] as long as it doesn't totally destroy my lappy...I am using it as my main box and running Gutsy, so I tend to scare easily :) [11:04] Is there a kate plugin that can work with tags? [11:04] mhb: where is gdebi-kde? [11:04] nixternal: If your are running Gutsy on your main box and scare easily, I'm wondering what else is wrong with you that you are running Gutsy? [11:05] nixternal: apt-cache search? [11:05] Ooh, there's a kate-plugins package.... [11:06] ScottK: I'm also running gutsy on my main computer [11:06] Yeah, but you didn't say you scare easliy. [11:06] ScottK: I encounter even less crashes then I did with Feisty [11:06] than === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-255-23-237.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:11] mhb: I didn't see gdebi-kde though [11:12] nixternal: hmm, strange [11:12] nixternal: I'm pretty certain it's there already [11:12] nixternal: try updating... (500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages) [11:12] ahh there it is [11:13] apt-get update grabbed it [11:13] err, found it [11:14] There's a few useful Kate plugins in the kate-plugins package, but there is nothing to work with TAGS files. [11:14] That stinks. [11:14] and the symbol list plugin only works with C/C++ [11:15] hrmm [11:16] well, it doesn't work :) === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44305.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:18] nixternal: it doesn't? [11:18]