[11:03] <mhb> good morning
[11:23] <Riddell> ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/win 12
[11:23] <Riddell> err
[11:27] <Jucato> O.o
[11:33] <mhb> a ~[6 for all of us :o)
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> heh...this may sound drazy, but has anyone ever tried making a source  compiler for apt?
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> it has all the tootls for finding dependencies and all
[02:04] <pygi> you mean apt-get build ? :P
[02:04] <pygi> rgh
[02:04] <pygi> wrong :)
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> I guess.
[02:04] <pygi> sudo apt-get build-dep package
[02:04] <pygi> :)
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> whatever,,
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[02:05] <pygi>           build-dep causes apt-get to install/remove packages in an attempt to satisfy the build dependencies for a source package.
[02:05] <pygi> that should help ^_^
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> yeah....... but has anyone ever made a nice little graphical program for doing it?
[02:07] <pygi> nosrednaekim, just go to #synaptic and ask mvo :P
[02:07] <pygi> doubt it, perhaps synaptic has some secret powers
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> no.... I know you can't do anything presently..
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> but it would be a amzing to integrate that ability
[02:09] <Tm_T> hum, and how GUI makes it better than its now?
[02:09] <Tm_T> right, kids doesn't afraid
[02:10] <pygi> Tm_T, :P
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> well... at least a nice single command... that automatically grans the source deb,etc
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> *grabs
[02:11] <pygi> apt-get source package
[02:11] <pygi> without sudo even =)
[02:11] <Jucato> I don't think apt was made for that purpose... compiling from source
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> ERR!
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> so what?
[02:12] <Jucato> so what what?
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> ok... then lets modify smart to do it
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> *hides
[02:18] <manchicken> apt-get can compile from source.
[02:18] <Jucato> manchicken: it can? which command?
[02:18] <manchicken> apt-get source --compile PACKAGE
[02:19] <Jucato> oh
[02:19] <Jucato> see! I  can't always be right :)
[02:19] <pygi> you do ofcourse use build-dep as well with thiat
[02:19] <manchicken> pygi: If you don't already have the deps installed.
[02:19] <pygi> manchicken, yup
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> I think that would be a killer function
[02:19] <manchicken> The build process will yell at you if you're missing deps.
[02:20] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: What would be what?
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> a program to easily compile source debs
[02:20] <manchicken> apt-get does that.
[02:21] <manchicken> I don't think it would be used very often.
[02:22] <manchicken> There's not really any benefit to building packages from source for the vast majority of users.
[02:22] <pygi> nosrednaekim, we just told you it can be done with apt-get
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> but what if they are trying to compile something not in apt?
[02:23] <Jucato> er... I don't think that could be done with apt...
[02:23] <manchicken> I mean, I keep my own builds of programs sometimes when I have tweaked them or something until the patch makes it into the distro, but that's a very rare case.
[02:23] <pygi> dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[02:23] <pygi> cd whatever/
[02:23] <pygi> debuild -S(or whatever other arguments)
[02:23] <pygi> cd ..
[02:23] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: That's even more of an exception case.
[02:23] <Jucato> man page says "Compile source packages after downloading them. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Compile."
[02:23] <pygi> pbuilder bbla-bla.dsc
[02:23] <Jucato> so the presumption is that there's a source package for it that apt recognizes
[02:24] <Jucato> a.k.a. in some repository
[02:25] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: If we know so little about a package that it isn't in any repositories--including universe and multiverse repos--then I think supporting a build of a package may be much more complicated than you're giving credit for.
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> true...
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> come to think of it...most people building their own packages are doing it with special options
[02:26] <manchicken> Yup.
[02:27] <manchicken> There're just too many exception cases in that area that are very complicated.  I don't see any point to putting that much work into something that will be used so infrequently by so few folks.
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> oh well.... see ya'll later
[02:28] <manchicken> Righto.
[03:04] <Riddell> [gutsy-changes]  Accepted gdebi 0.3.0ubuntu1 GDebi/GDebiKDE.py  yay!
[03:05] <Riddell> well done manchicken
[03:05] <Riddell> err
[03:05] <Riddell> well done mhb
[03:05] <Hobbsee> woo!
[03:05] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[03:06] <pygi> manchicken, you're the soc student for gdebiKDE? :)
[03:06] <pygi> ergh :P
[03:06] <pygi> mhb, you the student? :pp
[03:08] <Tm_T> manchicken: are you my sith apprentice?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: looks like the bug is thrown back to you
[03:18] <manchicken> I am not a student.
[03:20] <pygi> was poking mhb :P
[03:20] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you know if Tonio got my katapult changes yet?
[03:20] <manchicken> pygi: Gotcha.
[03:21] <Riddell> manchicken: no idea
[03:21] <manchicken> They should probably go upstream, too....
[03:21] <Riddell> I've long since lost track of where upstream is
[03:21] <manchicken> Grrr... work...
[03:21] <manchicken> Riddell: To be completely honest with you, I'm disinclined to find out :)
[03:33] <Riddell> hi rdieter, all set for coming to scotland at the end of the week?
[03:34] <rdieter> Riddell: certainly am, looking forward to it.
[03:34] <Jucato> manchicken: Katapult? Mez is supposed to be back. guess he logged off...
[03:34] <Jucato> manchicken: I'll poke him about your changes if I catch him. where are they located? Bzr?
[03:38] <manchicken> They're on a bug report.... from about a week back about SQL.  If you look, I'm the one who posted the bug.
[03:38] <manchicken> I put the patch in the bug report.
[03:38] <Jucato> ok. the bug report is in LP or b.k.o.?
[03:38] <manchicken> LP
[03:39] <Jucato> ok
[03:47] <manchicken> Jucato: Find it?
[03:48] <Jucato> oh sorry I was away
[03:48] <manchicken> Not a problem :)
[03:52] <Jucato> manchicken: um.. maybe you could give me a hint/bug number? I'll just forward it in #katapult :)
[03:55] <manchicken> Bug #120575
[03:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120575 in katapult "Katapult is utilizing non-standard SQL which results in SQL errors in PostgreSQL and other standards compiant DBMS'." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120575
[03:55] <Jucato> ok thanks. I'll give it to him when I see him... if Tonio hasn't done anything yet
[03:55] <manchicken> Righto.
[03:56] <manchicken> The fix is already there, and I have been using that version since I posted the patch.
[03:56] <Jucato> he seems to have been online 2 hours ago though
[03:56] <manchicken> It does work.
[03:56] <Jucato> I mean Mez
[03:56] <manchicken> If they need anymore help with the SQL stuff in katapult I'd be happy to lend a hand here and there.  I'm pretty handy with SQL.
[03:57] <Jucato> :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> !logs
[03:58] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:02] <mhb> pygi: yes, I am
[04:02] <mhb> pygi: didn't I tell you yesterday?
[04:02] <Riddell> does kdesu work for people?
[04:02] <Riddell> it's broken on one of my machines
[04:03] <manchicken> Works for me.
[04:04] <manchicken> But I'm not on gutsy...
[04:04] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:04] <mhb> I have trouble with sudo
[04:04] <Jucato> Riddell: good luck on aKademy/Akademy! just a few days to go :)
[04:04] <mhb> on feisty, but that's not what you ask about
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are your final thougths on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/119467 ?
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119467 in kubuntu-meta "make non-essential packages Recommends and not Depends" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[04:08] <mhb> Riddell: thank you, too
[04:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you'd need to be fast if you wanted to do it in time for tribe 2 :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's not tuesday in msot countries yet
[04:11] <Hobbsee> but yes
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: as in, do you have any problems technically with doing it?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've had to do an exam and go to wokr today, so couldnt do it earlier.
[04:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: go ahead, I'll reverse anything I don't agree with :)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hah.  great.  does that mean that i'll find all my changes reversed?
[04:12] <Riddell> depends on my mood really, the swelling around the tooth in my mouth isn't hurting so much today so I'm not as grumpy as I have been :)
[04:13] <Riddell> (no, you won't)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> heh, right
[04:14] <Riddell> of course I have my final dentist appointment tomorrow, so I could be grumpy all day then!
[04:14] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[04:14] <Hobbsee> er...why would you want kaffeine-xine a recommend?
[04:15] <Riddell> so you could install kaffeine-gstreamer?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> but that doesnt exist...oh wait, it does again now
[04:16] <Hobbsee> i beleive kaffeine depends on kaffeine-xine
[04:16] <Hobbsee> er...i dont really want to put kate and kfind as recommends.
[04:16] <Riddell> why not?  apparantly some people prefer kwrite over kate, and kfind is rubbish
[04:17] <Hobbsee> isnt kfind the ctrl+f thing?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> oh true, i'd temporarily forgotten about kwrite
[04:17] <Riddell> kmenu->find files
[04:17] <Hobbsee> oh right, so it's not the thing in konq
[04:18] <Riddell> not sure, it might be a kpart
[04:18] <siretart> kaffeine does now have a gstreamer backend? since when?
[04:19] <Riddell> siretart: it again has one, since the new version was uploaded to gutsy
[04:20] <siretart> Riddell: what about amarok?
[04:20] <pygi> siretart, amarok will have gst engine with 2.0, when it'll use phonon
[04:20] <pygi> afaik
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can i add adept in there?
[04:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: spose so
[04:21] <Hobbsee> excellent!
[04:21] <Riddell> siretart: no return of gstreamer to amarok until amarok 2 (with kde 4)
[04:21] <pygi> siretart, only amarok uses it?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: maybe even k-d-s?
[04:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ok
[04:22] <siretart> k
[04:22] <Riddell> siretart: even then it'll likely build-dep on xine still
[04:22] <Riddell> as will phonon
[04:23] <siretart> Riddell: no chance to use a plugin mechanism like gstreamer?
[04:23] <siretart> like in having a 'xine' phonon plugin which can be demoted to universe?
[04:24] <Riddell> siretart: it'll be a plugin sure, but I expect it'll be part of the same source package
[04:25] <mhb> Hobbsee: is that troublesome adept bug fixed yet?
[04:26] <Riddell> mhb: no, although we know it's caused by an incompatibility with debtags, and I have old debtags ready to upload incase we don't fix it properly
[04:26] <Hobbsee> mhb: not yet.  progress has been made.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: after i've done a bzr commit of the seeds, do i need to push too? it's showing up on codebase.l.n
[04:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not if you have a checkout (rather than a branch)
[04:30] <Riddell> if it's on codebase then you have a checkout and don't need to push
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: excellent :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> bzr still confuses me
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: erk.  why, when i merged the ubuntu and kubuntu desktop seeds, did i get all the gnome depends at the end of the kubuntu desktop seed?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> (and why did i not get that last time?)
[04:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it depends on the mood of bzr (probably means there has been an edit in that part of the ubuntu seeds)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> right
[04:37] <siretart> Hobbsee: in fact its quite easy if you understand the concepts 'bound branches', 'checkouts' and 'lightweight checkouts' (the former two are in fact the same)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> siretart: right.  i dont, overly much
[04:38] <Riddell> and you manage to remember which you have :)
[04:38] <siretart> the difference between the latter two is that the last one has the history on the remote side, the former has the full history 'locally'
[04:38] <Hobbsee> right
[04:45] <doc_> hi there :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:07] <siretart> does kubuntu have notification-daemon? or something similar?
[05:08] <Riddell> siretart: no (it's hoped for in gutsy)
[05:09] <Riddell> package updates can give users notification if they need to do something manually
[05:09] <siretart> Riddell: as in 'notification-daemon' from gnome, or something else but similar?
[05:11] <Riddell> siretart: in adept
[05:11] <Riddell> siretart: are we talking about the same thing?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> oh nice
[05:12] <siretart> Riddell: yes, we do
[05:13] <siretart> Riddell: We are considering different methods of notification in a GUI application, which should work in both KDE and GNOME.
[05:13] <siretart> I'm not sure how widespread notification-daemon is in kde, therfore my question
[05:14] <Riddell> well not at all, it's part of update-notifier, a gnome app
[05:14] <Daskreech2> Riddell: What's out stance on post install configurations?
[05:14] <Riddell> DaSkreech: same as anyone else's
[05:14] <DaSkreech> anyone else as in anyother distro or any other *buntu?
[05:14] <Riddell> debian or ubuntu
[05:15] <siretart> Riddell: so it isn't used outside ubuntu?
[05:15] <siretart> (and debian, of course)
[05:16] <Riddell> siretart: the thing that sits in the system tray and says "you upgraded your linux kernel, you need to reboot now"?  that's dpkg specific
[05:16] <siretart> hm. seems to be libnotify in effect
[05:16] <siretart> ah, no I'm talking about libnotify
[05:16] <Riddell> right
[05:16] <Riddell> that's gnome specific
[05:16] <Riddell> kde has knotify
[05:17] <siretart> aah, thanks
[05:17] <Riddell> I doubt there's any sane way to use the preferred one in C(++), in python you could, but you'd probably be best to just use kdialog/xdialog
[05:22] <mhb> greetings from gutsy
[05:31] <ryanakca> hi mhb
[05:35] <mhb> hi ryanakca, what's up?
[05:37] <ryanakca> mhb: not much, I'm trying to get my hands on a copy of 'Accelerated C++' so that I can hopefully start writing patches for KDE by the end of the summer... except that Chapters/Indigo (local bookstore chain) don't have it in stock... library doesn't have it... University might though...
[05:37] <ryanakca> You?
[05:39] <mhb> fine, doing SoC and stuff
[05:39] <mhb> Riddell: does "hoped for" mean somebody is/will be working on it? (notifications)
[05:41] <pygi> mhb, how is soc going for you?
[05:42] <pygi> Didn't knew you were a soc student
[05:42] <mhb> pygi: quite well, thank you
[05:42] <mhb> pygi: at least that's what I think :o)
[05:43] <pygi> hehe :)
[05:43] <pygi> Same here ;)
[05:44] <Riddell> mhb: meaning it's assigned to me and manchicken, but there's a bunch of adept stuff to do and it's not the easiest code base to work with
[05:44] <Riddell> volunteers always welcome :)
[05:44] <mhb> pygi: it's nice of you to take care of k3b bugs and stuff
[05:45] <pygi> mhb, :)
[05:46] <Riddell> pygi: oh, did you get a package of the new version?
[05:47] <pygi> Riddell, didn't we discuss that yesterday? And I was discussing it with Hobbsee entire day today :p
[05:47] <pygi> Hobbsee, I could give you 1.0.2 package without problems, but it would still be  majorly broken
[05:47] <pygi> our package ships thousand of patches, and most don't work
[05:48] <Riddell> ok, let's not bother with a quick package then
[05:48] <pygi> indeed
[05:49] <pygi> Riddell, but for gutsy, you'll have the best k3b package we ever had so far :0
[05:49] <Riddell> awooga
[05:50] <pygi> :)
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Jucato: man c++
[05:53] <Jucato> :P
[05:54] <pygi> mhb, so you're the kde gdebi one? :)
[05:56] <pygi> saw Riddell uploading initial version?
[05:56] <Riddell> mvo did
[05:56] <Riddell> oh, we should add it to the seeds
[05:56] <pygi> ok, but you posted it here ... so :P
[05:56] <mhb> pygi: yes, actually, mvo uploaded it
[05:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why did you add kpager?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: see the bugs listed
[05:58] <Hobbsee> for the rationale
[05:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do people actually have any sane need for kpager?
[05:58] <Riddell> it's an ugly app and doesn't add anything
[05:58] <Riddell> I'd much rather fix the pager applet menu
[05:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: as in, patch the "launch pager" bit out?
[05:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[06:00] <Riddell> do people want to remove wodim, cdparanoia, dvd+rw-tools?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> sure, if they're using another backend
[06:00] <pygi> ne
[06:00] <pygi> ergh
[06:00] <Hobbsee> i thought?
[06:00] <pygi> they could use cdrskin instead of wodim
[06:00] <pygi> :)
[06:00] <Riddell> ok
[06:01] <pygi> and they'll have a chance with new k3b upload
[06:01] <pygi> just gimme time :p
[06:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, i see.  dunno why you couldnt have commented that on the bug report, before changing it.
[06:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's...odd
[06:01] <Hobbsee> the kpager functionality is only available when the kicker applet does exactly hte same thing.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> then patching it would be...more sensible, yes.
[06:11] <manchicken> KDE really is the ideal DE for folks working from home.
[06:12] <manchicken> It is insane how much KDE makes my job easier.
[06:12] <manchicken> Now if only Quanta+ sucked a little less :)
[06:12] <Riddell> I've never seen the use of Quanta, it's a text editor with some buttons for html tags
[06:14] <manchicken> It's a bit more friendly with web projects.
[06:14] <manchicken> And Kate doesn't support displaying remote locations in the file display.
[06:15] <manchicken> Quanta has more neat little shortcuts, and it has the side-by-side view with code.
[06:20] <Riddell> if anyone has kde trunk about please check it works and doesn't break the world
[06:31] <manchicken> Isn't quanta+ supposed to know how to ignore SVN stuff?
[06:42] <nixternal> Riddell: it is Monday, KDE trunk always breaks the world
[06:42] <nixternal> KDE trunk on Friday was good to go, because I set it up to show off on Saturday
[07:07] <DaSkreech> manchicken: scheme-qt?
[07:16] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I haven't touched scheme much lately.
[07:16] <manchicken> It just is not as convenient for me as Perl is.
[07:23] <nixternal> hahahaha, the post on Planet KDE about aseigo and Tom Green kills me
[07:24] <nixternal> I always had this inkling that aseigo reminded me of someone, now I know
[07:33] <manchicken> I wish that kate had more of the functionality of quanta.
[07:34] <manchicken> The big thing I want is the tree view for the file browser.
[07:37] <nixternal> you can't get tree view with Kate?
[07:45] <manchicken> I don't think so.
[07:58] <pygi> hey Arby
[07:59] <Arby> hi pygi
[08:15] <manchicken> This Perl-Qt thing lets me turn my quick fix scripts and turn them into quick & dirty GUI fixers.
[08:16] <manchicken> I even have it using kdesu.
[08:46] <manchicken> Does Kate know how to play with tags files?
[09:06] <hunger> Riddell: kde trunk from about 16:00 builds for me (up to and including kdebase). Seems to work, too.
[09:06] <hunger> Riddell: Oh, sorry, just saw that question was from before I came back online:-)
[10:39] <_StefanS_> evening
[10:39] <_StefanS_> mhb: ping?
[10:41] <mhb> heya
[10:41] <_StefanS_> mhb: didn't forget about you ..
[10:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: I've had a tough weekend, so didn't get much done
[10:42] <_StefanS_> mhb:  = zero
[10:43] <_StefanS_> pygi: adept , dpkg configure -a detection
[10:43] <_StefanS_> donno if someone took over though..
[10:43] <mhb> not that I know of
[10:43] <mhb> _StefanS_: they have a hard time fixing Adept bugs in Gutsy
[10:46] <mhb> _StefanS_: when do you have some free time to look at it?
[10:46] <_StefanS_> mhb: now, and tomorrow
[10:46] <mhb> _StefanS_: cool
[10:46] <_StefanS_> mhb: I just read through the logfile where we discussed it ;)
[10:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: couldn't quite remember your pseudo code
[10:48] <mhb> _StefanS_: one minute
[10:48] <_StefanS_> mhb: dont bother, I already have it
[10:48] <mhb> _StefanS_: it was super simple, because I don't know the details
[10:48] <mhb> but it really should be an easy one
[10:49] <_StefanS_> mhb: ok, we've got the manager, installer, and kubuntu_upgrader.. I dont think they share that much code, but all should have that check
[10:50] <_StefanS_> libadept it seems
[10:50] <mhb> _StefanS_: I'm certain they share the code that checks if the dpkg database is locked
[10:50] <_StefanS_> mhb: "
[10:50] <_StefanS_> Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:32:21]  Quit Lure has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[10:50] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:32:39]  <mhb> _StefanS_: right after the start, adept checks for dpkg being locked
[10:50] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:33:10]  <mhb> _StefanS_: in pseudocode, something like this should follow:
[10:50] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:33:34]  <mhb> _StefanS_: if(DpkgIsLocked) {
[10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:33:54]  <mhb> _StefanS_: if(DpkgConfigureWillFix) {
[10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:34:15]  <mhb> printf("running dpkg --configure will do.")
[10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:34:21]  <mhb> }
[10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:34:47]  <mhb> _StefanS_: else {
[10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:35:08]  <mhb> _StefanS_: printf("you may have more package managers running");
[10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:35:16]  <mhb> _StefanS_: }
[10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:35:19]  <mhb> _StefanS_: }
[10:51] <_StefanS_> [Thu Jun 21 2007]  [10:35:49]  <_StefanS_> mhb: alright, I guess we need some sort of visual stuff to show what is happening ? (like the "install-packages thing" where you can wait till it finishes, and select details to see the console output
[10:51] <_StefanS_> argh
[10:51] <_StefanS_> sorry
[10:51] <_StefanS_> mhb: "Read Only mode: Database Locked"
[10:51] <DaSkreech> !paste
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[10:51] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: bah :P - like I dont know that..
[10:52] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: I was a MISTAKE
[10:52] <DaSkreech> Heehee :)
[10:52] <_StefanS_> I/It
[10:52] <_StefanS_> :D
[10:54] <ScottK> _StefanS_: Thanks for the I/It correction. I was worried for a minute.
[10:54] <_StefanS_> bah again :D
[10:55] <ScottK> _StefanS_: Great.  Perfect time to abuse you.  You can't fight back ;-)
[10:55] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:55] <pygi> mhb, I thought some time ago we had upstream adept author with us?
[10:56] <_StefanS_> pygi: like manchicken?
[10:56] <pygi> probably not him
[10:56] <pygi> nop, surely not him
[10:56] <_StefanS_> pygi: or Peter Rockai?
[10:56] <_StefanS_> manchicken: you're not even in a stream :D
[10:56] <pygi> _StefanS_, don't think he was the one as well
[10:56] <manchicken> And I'd like to note that none is like manchicken.
[10:56] <ScottK> Noted
[10:56] <manchicken> Except manchicken.
[10:57] <manchicken> pygi: I think Peter was the fella.  mornfall is his name IIRC.
[10:57] <_StefanS_> manchicken: are you having time to hack again ?
[10:57] <pygi> manchicken, yes, he :p
[10:57] <DaSkreech> _StefanS_: well if you were a mistake... I'd blame nixternal :)
[10:57] <nixternal> bah
[10:57] <pygi> manchicken, why don't we have him anymore?
[10:57] <mhb> pygi: there was only mornfall and manchicken
[10:57] <manchicken> _StefanS_: If adept dependencies weren't hosed I would :)
[10:57] <pygi> mhb, yes, yes, mornfall :)
[10:57] <pygi> where is he? ^_^
[10:58] <mhb> pygi: Peter Rockai
[10:58] <nixternal> mornfall is still around
[10:58] <manchicken> pygi: I think he got married or had a kid or went into a coma or something.
[10:58] <pygi> nixternal, oki doki :0
[10:58] <pygi> mhb, know that, thanks :)
[10:58] <_StefanS_> like had a life probably :D
[10:58] <manchicken> pygi: Or maybe all thre.
[10:58] <pygi> just forgot a nick :P
[10:58] <nixternal> he is in kde-devel right now
[10:58] <manchicken> Either way he doesn't seem to have as much time anymore.
[10:58] <mhb> pygi: last I knew, he was working for RH
[10:58] <manchicken> nixternal: He's always in kde-devel :)
[10:58] <nixternal> yup
[10:58] <manchicken> He's usually AFK, too.
[10:58] <nixternal> s/usually/always ;)
[10:59] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I will look at that clean thingy tomorrow, just so you know it (if you decide to hack it in yourself)
[10:59] <_StefanS_> hey maybe I was a mistake.. :D
[10:59] <manchicken> Clean thingy?
[10:59] <_StefanS_> manchicken: dpkg configure -a
[10:59] <_StefanS_> manchicken: like mhb said..
[10:59] <manchicken> Righto.
[10:59] <manchicken> Yeah, the problem is that adept won't run properly right now under gutsy.
[10:59] <_StefanS_> I going to bed, mistake or not hehe
[11:00] <_StefanS_> nighty.
[11:00] <manchicken> So it's kinda impossible to run the debugger on it.
[11:00] <manchicken> Which is how I was hoping to sort that issue out.
[11:00] <manchicken> You can totally do it yourself if you want though :)
[11:00] <_StefanS_> manchicken: uhm ok, sounds bad.
[11:00] <nixternal> Riddell: I was looking for some love on my MOTU app, I think Hobbsee CC'd ya, but so far it looks like it is going to go through to the TB soon :)
[11:00] <mhb> manchicken: hopefully _StefanS_ is still on Feisty
[11:00] <manchicken> _StefanS_: It's certainly not good :)
[11:01] <manchicken> I'm still on feisty, but I'm hacking adept under gutsy :)
[11:01] <manchicken> From jr's bzr branch.
[11:01] <_StefanS_> manchicken: well I will take that cleanup first and get acquainted with the code
[11:01] <_StefanS_> mhb: I have both
[11:01] <nixternal> manchicken: if you need some Gutsy testing, sling me the source or a pkg and I will check it out..if you send the source I can package it
[11:01] <manchicken> Righto.
[11:01] <_StefanS_> I'm off. Have a nice one all..
[11:01] <manchicken> nixternal: It's a dependency issue with libapt IIRC.
[11:01] <nixternal> later _StefanS_
[11:02] <nixternal> ahhh, I thought all that got worked out
[11:02] <manchicken> Adept screams that it can't connect to apt, and then dies.
[11:02] <nixternal> ahhh
[11:02] <nixternal> so there is no issues now..lovely :)
[11:02] <nixternal> s/no/new
[11:02] <nixternal> jeesh
[11:03] <mhb> nixternal: you want stuff to test?
[11:03] <nixternal> depends ;p
[11:03] <manchicken> nixternal: There were changes made to libapt IIRC.
[11:03] <mhb> nixternal: go, download and use gdebi-kde, the Next Small Thing :o)
[11:03] <manchicken> I think Riddell knows what's going on, so I've been hanging back while he works on it.
[11:03] <nixternal> as long as it doesn't totally destroy my lappy...I am using it as my main box and running Gutsy, so I tend to scare easily :)
[11:04] <manchicken> Is there a kate plugin that can work with tags?
[11:04] <nixternal> mhb: where is gdebi-kde?
[11:04] <ScottK> nixternal: If your are running Gutsy on your main box and scare easily, I'm wondering what else is wrong with you that you are running Gutsy?
[11:05] <mhb> nixternal: apt-cache search?
[11:05] <manchicken> Ooh, there's a kate-plugins package....
[11:06] <mhb> ScottK: I'm also running gutsy on my main computer
[11:06] <ScottK> Yeah, but you didn't say you scare easliy.
[11:06] <mhb> ScottK: I encounter even less crashes then I did with Feisty
[11:06] <mhb> than
[11:11] <nixternal> mhb: I didn't see gdebi-kde though
[11:12] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, strange
[11:12] <mhb> nixternal: I'm pretty certain it's there already
[11:12] <mhb> nixternal: try updating... (500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages)
[11:12] <nixternal> ahh there it is
[11:13] <nixternal> apt-get update grabbed it
[11:13] <nixternal> err, found it
[11:14] <manchicken> There's a few useful Kate plugins in the kate-plugins package, but there is nothing to work with TAGS files.
[11:14] <manchicken> That stinks.
[11:14] <manchicken> and the symbol list plugin only works with C/C++
[11:15] <nixternal> hrmm
[11:16] <nixternal> well, it doesn't work :)
[11:18] <mhb> nixternal: it doesn't?
[11:18] <nixternal> no, it opens up the .deb and gives you all the info, but as soon as you click install it just closes
[11:19] <nixternal> and gdeb-kde --help is broken as well
[11:19] <nixternal> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:18: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[11:19] <nixternal> gotta remember to do / before I paste something like that again :)
[11:20] <mhb> nixternal: that's weird
[11:22] <mhb> nixternal: it works here, but I don't have the package yet, just the code the package was made from
[11:25] <nixternal> ahh, if I run it from the cli it works
[11:26] <mhb> nixternal: it works here from dolphin, too
[11:26] <nixternal> mhb: it seems when I run it by clicking on a .deb, it doesn't install it, it stops right before it prompts for password
[11:27] <mhb> nixternal: not here
[11:27] <mhb> nixternal: see, that's why I like wide testing :o)
[11:27] <nixternal> is the Kubuntu Package Menu part of this? I don't remember seeing that before?
[11:29] <nixternal> mhb: I can guarantee it has to do with kdesu/kdesudo...because after I have entered my password and it is stored in kwallet or the agent or whatever, it works fine
[11:29] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, strange
[11:29] <mhb> nixternal: I'm on gutsy here and all is well
[11:29] <mhb> nixternal: you use kdesudo?
[11:29] <nixternal> I will try it again when I get to school, because I will have to shutdown..so I will start fresh
[11:30] <nixternal> typically no, but it calls it from what I can see
[11:30] <mhb> it calls kdesu here
[11:30] <nixternal> same here, sorry
[11:31] <mhb> nixternal: and this is a brand new app
[11:31] <mhb> nixternal: uploaded today - KDE frontend for gdebi, which is old
[11:31] <nixternal> this will definitely be great for new users, especially once Ark stops opening .deb files
[11:32] <mhb> nixternal: I hope so, too.
[11:33] <mhb> nixternal: I'll be happy to try and find the cause of the bug you encounter once you have some time.
[11:33] <nixternal> oh no, no hoping on this one...I know it will be...in kubuntuforums there are a ton of questions that concern something like this with Adept, and that is why a lot has switched to Synaptic
[11:33] <nixternal> you can install local files with Synaptic, and now that Kubuntu has something like this, it is going to rock!
[11:34] <nixternal> I can help out during Java class tonight :)
[11:35] <nixternal> Java is kind of cool actually
[11:36] <n8k99> i had trouble writing actionevent handlers for guis
[11:36] <n8k99> need to go back over that
[11:36] <nixternal> I want to play with the new Qt 4.3 Jamba toolkit for Java
[11:37] <pygi> anyone knows where can I see build queue?
[11:37] <n8k99> isnt there supposed to be greater java support written into kdevelop/
[11:37] <crimsun> pygi: LP/ubuntu/$release/+queue
[11:38] <pygi> crimsun, thanks
[11:40] <mhb> nixternal: when is "tonight"?
[11:40] <ScottK> It's always tonight somewhere...
[11:40] <nixternal> oh shoot, In about 1.5 hours :)
[11:41] <nixternal> 5 o'clock somewhere!
[11:41] <nixternal> I need to get going....I have to leave in like 20 minutes and I need to shower
[11:41] <ScottK> nixternal: TMI
[11:41] <n8k99> i could tell that in the next time zone
[11:41] <nixternal> only TMI if you closed your eyes and thought about it ;p
[11:42] <ScottK> Thanks.  I hadn't done that until you mentioned it.
[11:42] <nixternal> oh lord, get the bleach!
[11:42] <ScottK> Mental floss
[11:42] <crimsun> heh, I misread that "bleach" as "blech"
[11:46] <DaSkreech> bleech