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DanaG | Odd, I just installed a libglademm update, and now the things give me a DIFFERENT error. | 02:44 |
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DanaG | pavucontrol: symbol lookup error: pavucontrol: undefined symbol: _ZN5Gnome5Glade3Xml18get_widget_checkedERKN4Glib7ustringEm | 02:44 |
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h1st0 | did they update gaim to pidgin in gusty? | 02:50 |
wfarr | h1st0, yeah | 02:53 |
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crimsun | I should write a Qt 4 version of pavucontrol | 03:58 |
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RAOF | You should fix the interaction with pulseaudio and alsa's volume when there's only one mixer first :P | 03:59 |
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crimsun | that's an intractable problem. I think I've explained it? | 04:00 |
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RAOF | Yeah, you have. | 04:00 |
RAOF | Is it really intractable, though? Couldn't you work around it? | 04:01 |
RAOF | Alternatively, is it possible to fix the alsa driver :/ | 04:01 |
crimsun | well, I could softvol the current softvol. | 04:02 |
crimsun | which basically means I break all sorts of other things to attempt to give an extra Master | 04:03 |
RAOF | Ah, right. | 04:03 |
crimsun | I'm going to take the "wimp" route and say, "the mixer interface is slated for redesign anyhow - it'll be fixed then." | 04:03 |
RAOF | Is it? Awesome. | 04:03 |
RAOF | Man, I should have more time. Then I could fix all the stuff I find annoying. | 04:05 |
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illusions | what is the kernel version for 7.04? | 04:09 |
crimsun | 2.6.20. | 04:09 |
crimsun | not sure why you're asking in this channel, though, which is for gutsy (7.10)... | 04:10 |
illusions | I asked in #ubuntu and Jordan told me to come here? | 04:11 |
illusions | Jordan_U | 04:11 |
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crimsun | right, that was an utter misdirection. | 04:13 |
illusions | Hmmm, I have been looking at multiple sources for how to install the Dell1390 (Broadcom) wireless adapter. I've noticed that some sources have replacing the wireless drivers installed with ones from a newer kernel version. Is there anyway I can install this without ndiswrapper? | 04:22 |
crimsun | bcm43xx works - to some degree - in gutsy's 2.6.22-6.13 | 04:23 |
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crimsun | I had a good experience with it until it randomly stopped loading the firmware | 04:23 |
crimsun | after that, I sadly reverted to ndiswrapper | 04:23 |
ajmorris_ | ajmorris | 04:24 |
crimsun | yes, that's you. | 04:24 |
illusions | Hmmm, I was just wondering. I'm a new linux user, coming from windows (of course) and I played with Redhat Fedora Core 6 and that picked up everything perfectly. I just wanted to try Unbuntu and see what that is like. | 04:24 |
ajmorris_ | oops lol, testing msgs... sorry all | 04:25 |
crimsun | gutsy's bcm43xx driver is leaps and bounds better than feisty's | 04:25 |
illusions | what is the newest kernel availible for Feisty? | 04:27 |
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crimsun | 2.6.20-16.29 | 04:29 |
crimsun | you need to address #ubuntu | 04:29 |
crimsun | these feisty questions are being asked in the wrong channel. Please see the topic of this IRC channel. | 04:29 |
illusions | oh ok, thanks! | 04:29 |
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ajmorris_ | anyone have the feisty tuxfamily.org compiz fusion repos working on gutsy here? | 05:47 |
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RAOF | ajmorris_: Any particular reason you're not testing Gutsy's Compiz+Fusion? | 05:57 |
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ajmorris_ | it doesn't work properly | 05:59 |
RAOF | And you've filed bugs? | 06:00 |
ajmorris_ | no, lol | 06:00 |
RAOF | Then why are you running Gutsy? | 06:00 |
ajmorris_ | to file bugs for things other than FX | 06:01 |
ajmorris_ | i get no error outputs anyway, so my reports would be somewhat useless | 06:01 |
RAOF | Run at a terminal? ~/.xsession-errors? | 06:02 |
ajmorris_ | none... | 06:02 |
ajmorris_ | the errors are just.... | 06:02 |
ajmorris_ | things that won't work... | 06:02 |
ajmorris_ | like been able to change the minimise effects etc. | 06:02 |
ajmorris_ | there are no shell outputs and no errors in logs | 06:03 |
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RAOF | It still sounds like a reasonable bug to file. | 06:03 |
RAOF | Worst case: Amaranth asks you for more info :) | 06:04 |
ajmorris_ | ok, i will do it then... | 06:04 |
ajmorris_ | what is the 'normal' bug report site... the non-launchpad one? | 06:04 |
Amaranth | err | 06:04 |
Amaranth | launchpad is where you file ubuntu bugs | 06:04 |
RAOF | You mean, the upstream bugzilla for compiz or fusion? | 06:04 |
ajmorris_ | bugzilla that's the one | 06:04 |
Amaranth | don't file bugs in fusion's bugzilla | 06:05 |
ajmorris_ | oh kk | 06:05 |
Amaranth | file bugs against ubuntu's packages in launchpad | 06:05 |
ajmorris_ | i usually file in launchpad anyway | 06:05 |
ajmorris_ | thanks :) | 06:05 |
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Amaranth | that way i can check to see if it's my bug or a fusion/compiz bug and do the right thing from there | 06:05 |
Amaranth | yay 2 more critical bugs filed against compiz are closed | 06:06 |
Amaranth | down to 2 left and they're really libwnck bugs | 06:06 |
Amaranth | but still critical for the composite-by-default spec so i'm leaving them so they don't get lost | 06:06 |
crimsun | critical: compiz doesn't (un)tie my shoelaces. | 06:06 |
crimsun | incomplete: (of course I'm wearing sandals, so I don't have shoelaces) | 06:07 |
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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 1 released | ||
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(Amaranth/#ubuntu+1) so compiz has two critical bugs and five high bugs | 06:13 | |
(Amaranth/#ubuntu+1) yay | 06:13 | |
(Amaranth/#ubuntu+1) getting lower :) | 06:13 | |
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pwnguin | network manager refuses to work with my ipw3495 chipset unless i toggle the wireless switch off and on again | 06:17 |
pwnguin | =/ | 06:17 |
RAOF | Cool. Today network manager decided to segfault on vpn connect for me :/ | 06:18 |
RAOF | But it otherwise works with my ipw3945 | 06:18 |
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Amaranth | lately network manager also thinks it has a wired connection and ignores me wireless | 06:19 |
Amaranth | i blame avahi | 06:19 |
RAOF | Yeah, nm is a bit broke right now :) | 06:20 |
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crimsun | works great here! | 06:25 |
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DanaG | Same for me, except after resume from suspend. Oh, wait -- suspend is broken. Nevermind. | 06:25 |
DanaG | But NetworkManager doesn't seem to deal well with the wireless switch removing and re-adding eth1 -- it still sees the interface. | 06:26 |
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bur[n] er_ | anyone know if X is dead on intel 965's for some reason? | 07:36 |
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DanaG | Cool the new pavucontrol and paman are there. | 07:44 |
RAOF | What's new? | 07:44 |
DanaG | Fixed error. | 07:45 |
crimsun | libglademm2.4 broke ABI & API without any associated bump. | 07:47 |
RAOF | wicked. | 07:47 |
crimsun | this means that _every single app linking against libglademm-2.4-1c2a needs a rebuild | 07:48 |
crimsun | it's darned beautiful I could kill a kitten | 07:48 |
RAOF | Urgh. | 07:48 |
DanaG | Needs one of those "Every time you <do that>, God kills a kitten." images. | 07:52 |
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johnnybuoy | what do you guys use for devboxes? | 08:33 |
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johnnybuoy | I mean, if you use virtualization for that purpose.. | 08:34 |
RAOF | I use my Core2 laptop. | 08:34 |
RAOF | And virtualisation only to run the i386 version of Gutsy :) | 08:34 |
johnnybuoy | yes | 08:35 |
johnnybuoy | and what virtualization do you use? | 08:35 |
RAOF | Oh, kvm. I'll fix it tonight :) | 08:35 |
johnnybuoy | ? | 08:35 |
johnnybuoy | so kvm is fast? | 08:36 |
RAOF | Yes. | 08:36 |
johnnybuoy | I just tried it on feisty and it's slower than qemu... | 08:36 |
DanaG | You must not have the module enabled, or something. | 08:36 |
johnnybuoy | though I have a core2duo with VT | 08:36 |
RAOF | Did you actually have your appropriate kvm module loaded? | 08:36 |
johnnybuoy | kvm_intel | 08:36 |
johnnybuoy | yes | 08:36 |
johnnybuoy | and I'm member of the kvm group. | 08:37 |
RAOF | Then you're seeing something that I don't. qemu is slow for me, kvm is near native speed. | 08:37 |
johnnybuoy | wow | 08:37 |
johnnybuoy | hmm.. | 08:37 |
RAOF | (The graphics is what slows it down, I think) | 08:37 |
johnnybuoy | ah...mayB | 08:37 |
johnnybuoy | hmm... | 08:38 |
johnnybuoy | dunno, I'd really like to be able to run xen, but there is no easy way to do that... | 08:38 |
johnnybuoy | they say xen is the best atm.. | 08:38 |
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DanaG | Oh, except Win 3.11 to make people ask "Why?". | 08:38 |
johnnybuoy | you use gutsy as main system? | 08:38 |
johnnybuoy | heh | 08:39 |
DanaG | Yup. | 08:39 |
johnnybuoy | fun.. | 08:39 |
DanaG | I do bleeding-edge software, but not bleeding-edge hardware. | 08:39 |
johnnybuoy | at least you aren't bored.. | 08:39 |
johnnybuoy | :) | 08:39 |
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johnnybuoy | hi, coNP | 08:39 |
coNP | hey johnnybuoy | 08:40 |
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DanaG | big bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833 | 08:40 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] | 08:40 |
johnnybuoy | DanaG, isn't that the new gpm? | 08:40 |
johnnybuoy | the idle timeout or whatever | 08:40 |
DanaG | I attached it to both. | 08:40 |
DanaG | gpm and kernel. | 08:40 |
DanaG | oh yeah, g-p-m should be hyphenated -- gpm already exists. | 08:40 |
johnnybuoy | I actually thing the idle LCD dimming is a great feature | 08:41 |
DanaG | Look at the report. | 08:41 |
johnnybuoy | kk | 08:41 |
DanaG | I changed my idle brightness and battery brightness so it no longer turns entirely off, | 08:41 |
johnnybuoy | yes | 08:41 |
johnnybuoy | that is definitely an issue | 08:41 |
johnnybuoy | it jumps, blinks when changing the brightness | 08:41 |
DanaG | but now on dim-on-idle I get 100%<OFF>75%<OFF>50%<OFF>25% | 08:42 |
johnnybuoy | I can confirm that one. | 08:42 |
DanaG | er, s/dim/battery/. | 08:42 |
DanaG | er, Imean s/idle/battery/ | 08:42 |
johnnybuoy | s/battery/dim/idle/battery ?? | 08:42 |
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DanaG | I screwed my sentence up twice. I meant dim-on-battery. | 08:42 |
johnnybuoy | yep | 08:43 |
johnnybuoy | I can confirm the brightness changing thing | 08:43 |
johnnybuoy | the two should be related, no? | 08:43 |
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DanaG | This is confusing on battery: "dim display brightness BY" -- it's subtracted from 100. | 08:43 |
DanaG | *BLINK*BLINK*BLINK* | 08:44 |
johnnybuoy | heh | 08:44 |
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DanaG | It was even more amusing when my power socket was wonky: the AC power would go on----off----on---off---on---off | 08:46 |
DanaG | so I got BLINKBLINKBLINKBLINKBLINKBLINKBLINK | 08:46 |
johnnybuoy | haha | 08:46 |
johnnybuoy | lol | 08:46 |
johnnybuoy | pfff | 08:46 |
johnnybuoy | tough luck! | 08:47 |
DanaG | 08:47 | |
johnnybuoy | okay, I confirmed... | 08:47 |
johnnybuoy | wow | 08:47 |
DanaG | Nice unicode. | 08:47 |
johnnybuoy | yeah... | 08:47 |
johnnybuoy | how'd you do that? | 08:47 |
DanaG | I was looking around in gucharmap and found successive rising bars. | 08:47 |
DanaG | Just one is | 08:48 |
DanaG | I mean, just one set of all levels. | 08:48 |
johnnybuoy | wow, that's nice... :) | 08:48 |
pwnguin | heh, it looks like question marks to me ;) | 08:48 |
DanaG | Good for debugging things in code, or even for OSDs. | 08:48 |
pwnguin | guess terminus isnt a unicode font ;) | 08:49 |
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pwnguin | is that the new one from redhat? | 08:50 |
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DanaG | Who needs Cleartype? I use the default packages, and enable subpixel hinting -- and set my DPI correctly. | 08:51 |
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johnnybuoy | how does one know the dpi? | 08:51 |
coNP | that is in fact from Red Hat | 08:51 |
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pwnguin | johnnybuoy: measure the screen, calculate the resolution | 08:52 |
pwnguin | dpi is dots per inch | 08:52 |
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DanaG | google for "javascript dpi" | 08:53 |
johnnybuoy | okay | 08:53 |
pwnguin | johnnybuoy: my firefox is only using 80 megs | 08:53 |
johnnybuoy | "only" | 08:53 |
johnnybuoy | it's only a browser, man, not an OS :D | 08:54 |
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pwnguin | well, i've got some browser sync stuff and adblock | 08:54 |
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johnnybuoy | adblock + tmp + session manager | 08:54 |
johnnybuoy | + 7 tabs open | 08:54 |
johnnybuoy | 130 megs right now | 08:54 |
johnnybuoy | that's way too much | 08:55 |
pwnguin | check about:cache | 08:55 |
johnnybuoy | how do I change my DPI? | 08:55 |
pwnguin | johnnybuoy: relating to fonts? | 08:55 |
coNP | johnnybuoy: you can either change your display or your screen resolution | 08:56 |
pwnguin | go to fonts->details | 08:56 |
johnnybuoy | wow, gnome has an option for it in font settings | 08:56 |
johnnybuoy | :) | 08:56 |
DanaG | adblock plus + tab mix plus + stealther (yay) + ie tab (when in windows) + "MR Tech Local Install" + Searchbar Autosizer + Link Alert + Go Up +BugMeNot | 08:56 |
pwnguin | but you might want to change it system wide | 08:56 |
pwnguin | rather than gnome specifically | 08:56 |
johnnybuoy | woo | 08:56 |
johnnybuoy | my fonts became HUGE | 08:56 |
DanaG | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- it may already have the right setting. | 08:56 |
DanaG | Now reduce the numeric font size. | 08:57 |
pwnguin | you should probably leave it at 10 if it's already there... | 08:57 |
johnnybuoy | I acn't read the stuff is broken | 08:57 |
johnnybuoy | can't see half of what's going up | 08:57 |
johnnybuoy | cr*p | 08:58 |
DanaG | That shouldn't have broken things. | 08:58 |
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johnnybuoy | fonts do look better now :) | 08:59 |
johnnybuoy | it was on 96dpi when my display has 120 :) | 08:59 |
pwnguin | ah | 08:59 |
johnnybuoy | thanks guys | 08:59 |
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pwnguin | johnnybuoy: xorg.conf also has a dpi setting somewhere | 09:00 |
DanaG | oops, I bumped something. | 09:00 |
johnnybuoy | hmm.. | 09:00 |
DanaG | Oh yeah, that's another reason to use Linux: DPI scaling WORKS. | 09:00 |
DanaG | /my display is 98x99DPI. | 09:00 |
DanaG | (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (98, 99); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config | 09:01 |
pwnguin | heh | 09:01 |
pwnguin | i wonder if thats right | 09:01 |
johnnybuoy | okay, idk how to set dpi in xorg.conf | 09:01 |
pwnguin | wish i could remember the command to display the edid stuff | 09:02 |
pwnguin | edid stuff breaks | 09:05 |
pwnguin | a lot | 09:05 |
DanaG | Oh, another odd thing about brightness: the gnome OSD does NOT show up for hotkeys. | 09:07 |
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johnnybuoy | for you it doesnt | 09:09 |
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johnnybuoy | for me it does | 09:09 |
RAOF | Doesn't for me, too. | 09:09 |
johnnybuoy | at least when I last used gutsy (4days ago) it did | 09:09 |
johnnybuoy | dell 640m | 09:09 |
johnnybuoy | DanaG, xdpyinfo | grep dimension | 09:10 |
johnnybuoy | xrandr --query | 09:10 |
DanaG | dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (373x231 millimeters) | 09:10 |
johnnybuoy | U2? | 09:10 |
johnnybuoy | DanaG, what machine is that? | 09:11 |
DanaG | 17" notebook. Gateway M685. | 09:11 |
johnnybuoy | oh, the mm is different here... | 09:11 |
johnnybuoy | dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (302x191 millimeters) | 09:11 |
johnnybuoy | 14,1" | 09:11 |
DanaG | aah. | 09:12 |
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johnnybuoy | i have no clue what the xorg.conf settinf for dpi is | 09:15 |
johnnybuoy | I guess I'll leave it to gnome | 09:16 |
johnnybuoy | heh, I have the right setting in X, gnome was wrong | 09:20 |
johnnybuoy | x is smart at times... | 09:20 |
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DanaG | e'er? | 09:31 |
Pumpernickel | err'r? | 09:33 |
DanaG | TheGoodShepherd left the room (quit: "How did the Irish poet say it, hmm? "E'er friend for today, is tomorrow's heartbreak.""). | 09:36 |
Pumpernickel | Yeah, I saw. | 09:37 |
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Zenton | hi all | 11:50 |
Zenton | has gutsy persistence? | 11:50 |
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Zenton | I answer myself: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence | 12:21 |
Zenton | seems gutsy does not have persistence | 12:21 |
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MacSlow | Greetings everybody! | 12:34 |
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OldPink | Hi | 01:22 |
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shirish | does anybody have any idea when FF3 binaries are going to hit the repos. ? | 03:18 |
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mhb | hi, what do you suggest as the least painful way to upgrade from Feisty->Gutsy right now? | 04:13 |
mhb | == has anyone tried dist-upgrading? | 04:14 |
Hobbsee | mhb: try it. | 04:14 |
mhb | Hobbsee: did you dist-upgrade? | 04:17 |
Hobbsee | nto recently | 04:17 |
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jussi01 | Hobbsee: when did you say tribe 2 was coming out? | 04:44 |
Hobbsee | jussi01: couple of days | 04:44 |
jussi01 | ok... | 04:45 |
Hobbsee | jussi01: i'm committing a change to kubuntu-desktop, so the cds will need spinning after that | 04:45 |
jussi01 | so waiting for that is the best idea? | 04:45 |
Hobbsee | jussi01: there's a critical adept bug though, so kubuntu's blocked a bit | 04:45 |
Hobbsee | yeah | 04:45 |
jussi01 | ok :D | 04:45 |
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bur[n] er | hello, I used to use hte i810 driver in Feisty, in Gutsy, i notice this has been replaced by "intel" and i'm curious if there's anything special I have to do. I've tried with both the i810 and intel in the driver line. Both make X fail. | 04:57 |
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terlmann | is it safe to upgrade to gutsy yet ? | 05:32 |
terlmann | I mean' | 05:32 |
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terlmann | from feisty , is it usable by a user with a ati r_200 , sempteron , pata disks , and ethernet ? | 05:33 |
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Hobbsee | terlmann: usable, sure. most days, at least. | 05:34 |
Hobbsee | terlmann: if you need a working system, all the time, then you should wait | 05:34 |
terlmann | I dont | 05:35 |
terlmann | is there a simple way to do it ? | 05:35 |
terlmann | (upgrade) | 05:35 |
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terlmann | I did it , nver mind | 05:41 |
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chadeldridge | does anyone know if 7.10 will have better support for laptops using external monitors ? | 06:39 |
DanaG | Where's the option to auto-run scripts at amarok startup? | 06:42 |
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DanaG | It seems to have disappeared. | 06:42 |
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sparr | making my biggest update to gutsy so far | 08:31 |
sparr | wish me luck | 08:31 |
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movi | im trying to find compiz-fusion repos for gutsy | 08:35 |
movi | and also, is network-manager fixed now (nm-applet segfaulted a couple of days ago, and gnome-keyring seemed to be broken too) | 08:36 |
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RxDx | how can i enable the unstable actualizations on Feisty? like Kernel, Gnome, Pidgin... everything beta.. | 09:23 |
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bipolar | has anyone else experianced massive gtk breakage? | 10:22 |
bipolar | missing symbols and such | 10:22 |
tormod | bipolar: no | 10:23 |
bipolar | hmm.... | 10:24 |
coNP | no restart yet | 10:24 |
coNP | but I expect some | 10:24 |
bipolar | somthing is majorly wrong here | 10:24 |
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bipolar | vmware player and mysql-query-browser are broken | 10:24 |
bipolar | mysql-query-browser: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangomm-1.4.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN4Glib13wrap_registerEjPFPNS_10ObjectBaseEP8_GObjectE | 10:25 |
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thompa | does anyone know how to get network manager back? somehow I am running net mon | 11:37 |
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thompa | and i cant see my wireless places from any menu anymore but im on | 11:38 |
thompa | anyway i have to use knetwork manager | 11:42 |
thompa | its working real well | 11:43 |
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gnomefreak | thompa: network manager is broken pretty bad, its being worked on so we can push tribe 2 | 11:49 |
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