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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 1 released
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DanaGOdd, I just installed a libglademm update, and now the things give me a DIFFERENT error.02:44
DanaGpavucontrol: symbol lookup error: pavucontrol: undefined symbol: _ZN5Gnome5Glade3Xml18get_widget_checkedERKN4Glib7ustringEm02:44
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h1st0did they update gaim to pidgin in gusty?02:50
wfarrh1st0, yeah02:53
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crimsunI should write a Qt 4 version of pavucontrol03:58
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RAOFYou should fix the interaction with pulseaudio and alsa's volume when there's only one mixer first :P03:59
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crimsunthat's an intractable problem.  I think I've explained it?04:00
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RAOFYeah, you have.04:00
RAOFIs it really intractable, though?  Couldn't you work around it?04:01
RAOFAlternatively, is it possible to fix the alsa driver :/04:01
crimsunwell, I could softvol the current softvol.04:02
crimsunwhich basically means I break all sorts of other things to attempt to give an extra Master04:03
RAOFAh, right.04:03
crimsunI'm going to take the "wimp" route and say, "the mixer interface is slated for redesign anyhow - it'll be fixed then."04:03
RAOFIs it?  Awesome.04:03
RAOFMan, I should have more time.  Then I could fix all the stuff I find annoying.04:05
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illusionswhat is the kernel version for 7.04?04:09
crimsun2.6.20.04:09
crimsunnot sure why you're asking in this channel, though, which is for gutsy (7.10)...04:10
illusionsI asked in #ubuntu and Jordan told me to come here?04:11
illusionsJordan_U04:11
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crimsunright, that was an utter misdirection.04:13
illusionsHmmm, I have been looking at multiple sources for how to install the Dell1390 (Broadcom) wireless adapter. I've noticed that some sources have replacing the wireless drivers installed with ones from a newer kernel version. Is there anyway I can install this without ndiswrapper?04:22
crimsunbcm43xx works - to some degree - in gutsy's 2.6.22-6.1304:23
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crimsunI had a good experience with it until it randomly stopped loading the firmware04:23
crimsunafter that, I sadly reverted to ndiswrapper04:23
ajmorris_ajmorris04:24
crimsunyes, that's you.04:24
illusionsHmmm, I was just wondering. I'm a new linux user, coming from windows (of course) and I played with Redhat Fedora Core 6 and that picked up everything perfectly. I just wanted to try Unbuntu and see what that is like.04:24
ajmorris_oops lol, testing msgs... sorry all04:25
crimsungutsy's bcm43xx driver is leaps and bounds better than feisty's04:25
illusionswhat is the newest kernel availible for Feisty?04:27
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crimsun2.6.20-16.2904:29
crimsunyou need to address #ubuntu04:29
crimsunthese feisty questions are being asked in the wrong channel.  Please see the topic of this IRC channel.04:29
illusionsoh ok, thanks!04:29
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ajmorris_anyone have the feisty tuxfamily.org compiz fusion repos working on gutsy here?05:47
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RAOFajmorris_: Any particular reason you're not testing Gutsy's Compiz+Fusion?05:57
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ajmorris_it doesn't work properly05:59
RAOFAnd you've filed bugs?06:00
ajmorris_no, lol06:00
RAOFThen why are you running Gutsy?06:00
ajmorris_to file bugs for things other than FX06:01
ajmorris_i get no error outputs anyway, so my reports would be somewhat useless06:01
RAOFRun at a terminal?  ~/.xsession-errors?06:02
ajmorris_none...06:02
ajmorris_the errors are just....06:02
ajmorris_things that won't work...06:02
ajmorris_like been able to change the minimise effects etc.06:02
ajmorris_there are no shell outputs and no errors in logs06:03
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RAOFIt still sounds like a reasonable bug to file.06:03
RAOFWorst case: Amaranth asks you for more info :)06:04
ajmorris_ok, i will do it then...06:04
ajmorris_what is the 'normal' bug report site... the non-launchpad one?06:04
Amarantherr06:04
Amaranthlaunchpad is where you file ubuntu bugs06:04
RAOFYou mean, the upstream bugzilla for compiz or fusion?06:04
ajmorris_bugzilla that's the one06:04
Amaranthdon't file bugs in fusion's bugzilla06:05
ajmorris_oh kk06:05
Amaranthfile bugs against ubuntu's packages in launchpad06:05
ajmorris_i usually file in launchpad anyway06:05
ajmorris_thanks :)06:05
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Amaranththat way i can check to see if it's my bug or a fusion/compiz bug and do the right thing from there06:05
Amaranthyay 2 more critical bugs filed against compiz are closed06:06
Amaranthdown to 2 left and they're really libwnck bugs06:06
Amaranthbut still critical for the composite-by-default spec so i'm leaving them so they don't get lost06:06
crimsuncritical: compiz doesn't (un)tie my shoelaces.06:06
crimsunincomplete: (of course I'm wearing sandals, so I don't have shoelaces)06:07
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(Amaranth/#ubuntu+1) so compiz has two critical bugs and five high bugs06:13
(Amaranth/#ubuntu+1) yay06:13
(Amaranth/#ubuntu+1) getting lower :)06:13
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pwnguinnetwork manager refuses to work with my ipw3495 chipset unless i toggle the wireless switch off and on again06:17
pwnguin=/06:17
RAOFCool.  Today network manager decided to segfault on vpn connect for me :/06:18
RAOFBut it otherwise works with my ipw394506:18
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Amaranthlately network manager also thinks it has a wired connection and ignores me wireless06:19
Amaranthi blame avahi06:19
RAOFYeah, nm is a bit broke right now :)06:20
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crimsunworks great here!06:25
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DanaGSame for me, except after resume from suspend.  Oh, wait -- suspend is broken.  Nevermind.06:25
DanaGBut NetworkManager doesn't seem to deal well with the wireless switch removing and re-adding eth1 -- it still sees the interface.06:26
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bur[n] er_anyone know if X is dead on intel 965's for some reason?07:36
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DanaGCool the new pavucontrol and paman are there.07:44
RAOFWhat's new?07:44
DanaGFixed error.07:45
crimsunlibglademm2.4 broke ABI & API without any associated bump.07:47
RAOFwicked.07:47
crimsunthis means that _every single app linking against libglademm-2.4-1c2a needs a rebuild07:48
crimsunit's darned beautiful I could kill a kitten07:48
RAOFUrgh.07:48
DanaGNeeds one of those "Every time you <do that>, God kills a kitten." images.07:52
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johnnybuoywhat do you guys use for devboxes?08:33
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johnnybuoyI mean, if you use virtualization for that purpose..08:34
RAOFI use my Core2 laptop.08:34
RAOFAnd virtualisation only to run the i386 version of Gutsy :)08:34
johnnybuoyyes08:35
johnnybuoyand what virtualization do you use?08:35
RAOFOh, kvm.  I'll fix it tonight :)08:35
johnnybuoy?08:35
johnnybuoyso kvm is fast?08:36
RAOFYes.08:36
johnnybuoyI just tried it on feisty and it's slower than qemu...08:36
DanaGYou must not have the module enabled, or something.08:36
johnnybuoythough I have a core2duo with VT08:36
RAOFDid you actually have your appropriate kvm module loaded?08:36
johnnybuoykvm_intel08:36
johnnybuoyyes08:36
johnnybuoyand I'm member of the kvm group.08:37
RAOFThen you're seeing something that I don't.  qemu is slow for me, kvm is near native speed.08:37
johnnybuoywow08:37
johnnybuoyhmm..08:37
RAOF(The graphics is what slows it down, I think)08:37
johnnybuoyah...mayB08:37
johnnybuoyhmm...08:38
johnnybuoydunno, I'd really like to be able to run xen, but there is no easy way to do that...08:38
johnnybuoythey say xen is the best atm..08:38
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DanaGOh, except Win 3.11 to make people ask "Why?".08:38
johnnybuoyyou use gutsy as main system?08:38
johnnybuoyheh08:39
DanaGYup.08:39
johnnybuoyfun..08:39
DanaGI do bleeding-edge software, but not bleeding-edge hardware.08:39
johnnybuoyat least you aren't bored..08:39
johnnybuoy:)08:39
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johnnybuoyhi, coNP08:39
coNPhey johnnybuoy08:40
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DanaGbig bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183308:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 08:40
johnnybuoyDanaG, isn't that the new gpm?08:40
johnnybuoythe idle timeout or whatever08:40
DanaGI attached it to both.08:40
DanaGgpm and kernel.08:40
DanaGoh yeah, g-p-m should be hyphenated -- gpm already exists.08:40
johnnybuoyI actually thing the idle LCD dimming is a great feature08:41
DanaGLook at the report.08:41
johnnybuoykk08:41
DanaGI changed my idle brightness and battery brightness so it no longer turns entirely off,08:41
johnnybuoyyes08:41
johnnybuoythat is definitely an issue08:41
johnnybuoyit jumps, blinks when changing the brightness08:41
DanaGbut now on dim-on-idle I get 100%<OFF>75%<OFF>50%<OFF>25%08:42
johnnybuoyI can confirm that one.08:42
DanaGer, s/dim/battery/.08:42
DanaGer, Imean s/idle/battery/08:42
johnnybuoys/battery/dim/idle/battery ??08:42
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DanaGI screwed my sentence up twice.  I meant dim-on-battery.08:42
johnnybuoyyep08:43
johnnybuoyI can confirm the brightness changing thing08:43
johnnybuoythe two should be related, no?08:43
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DanaGThis is confusing on battery: "dim display brightness BY" -- it's subtracted from 100.08:43
DanaG*BLINK*BLINK*BLINK*08:44
johnnybuoyheh08:44
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DanaGIt was even more amusing when my power socket was wonky: the AC power would go on----off----on---off---on---off08:46
DanaGso I got BLINKBLINKBLINKBLINKBLINKBLINKBLINK08:46
johnnybuoyhaha08:46
johnnybuoylol08:46
johnnybuoypfff08:46
johnnybuoytough luck!08:47
DanaG08:47
johnnybuoyokay, I confirmed...08:47
johnnybuoywow08:47
DanaGNice unicode.08:47
johnnybuoyyeah...08:47
johnnybuoyhow'd you do that?08:47
DanaGI was looking around in gucharmap and found successive rising bars.08:47
DanaGJust one is 08:48
DanaGI mean, just one set of all levels.08:48
johnnybuoywow, that's nice... :)08:48
pwnguinheh, it looks like question marks to me ;)08:48
DanaGGood for debugging things in code, or even for OSDs.08:48
pwnguinguess terminus isnt a unicode font ;)08:49
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pwnguinis that the new one from redhat?08:50
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DanaGWho needs Cleartype?  I use the default packages, and enable subpixel hinting -- and set my DPI correctly.08:51
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johnnybuoyhow does one know the dpi?08:51
coNPthat is in fact from Red Hat08:51
=== pwnguin wishes firefox wouldn't screw up fonts
pwnguinjohnnybuoy: measure the screen, calculate the resolution08:52
pwnguindpi is dots per inch08:52
=== johnnybuoy wishes firefox wouldn't eat 220 megs of memory...
DanaGgoogle for "javascript dpi"08:53
johnnybuoyokay08:53
pwnguinjohnnybuoy: my firefox is only using 80 megs08:53
johnnybuoy"only"08:53
johnnybuoyit's only a browser, man, not an OS :D08:54
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pwnguinwell, i've got some browser sync stuff and adblock08:54
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johnnybuoyadblock + tmp + session manager08:54
johnnybuoy+ 7 tabs open08:54
johnnybuoy130 megs right now08:54
johnnybuoythat's way too much08:55
pwnguincheck about:cache08:55
johnnybuoyhow do I change my DPI?08:55
pwnguinjohnnybuoy: relating to fonts?08:55
coNPjohnnybuoy: you can either change your display or your screen resolution08:56
pwnguingo to fonts->details08:56
johnnybuoywow, gnome has an option for it in font settings08:56
johnnybuoy:)08:56
DanaGadblock plus + tab mix plus + stealther (yay) + ie tab (when in windows) + "MR Tech Local Install" + Searchbar Autosizer + Link Alert + Go Up +BugMeNot08:56
pwnguinbut you might want to change it system wide08:56
pwnguinrather than gnome specifically08:56
johnnybuoywoo08:56
johnnybuoymy fonts became HUGE08:56
DanaGcat /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- it may already have the right setting.08:56
DanaGNow reduce the numeric font size.08:57
pwnguinyou should probably leave it at 10 if it's already there...08:57
johnnybuoyI acn't read the stuff is broken08:57
johnnybuoycan't see half of what's going up08:57
johnnybuoycr*p08:58
DanaGThat shouldn't have broken things.08:58
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johnnybuoyfonts do look better now :)08:59
johnnybuoyit was on 96dpi when my display has 120 :)08:59
pwnguinah08:59
johnnybuoythanks guys08:59
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pwnguinjohnnybuoy: xorg.conf also has a dpi setting somewhere09:00
DanaGoops, I bumped something.09:00
johnnybuoyhmm..09:00
DanaGOh yeah, that's another reason to use Linux: DPI scaling WORKS.09:00
DanaG /my display is 98x99DPI.09:00
DanaG(--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (98, 99); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config09:01
pwnguinheh09:01
pwnguini wonder if thats right09:01
johnnybuoyokay, idk how to set dpi in xorg.conf09:01
pwnguinwish i could remember the command to display the edid stuff09:02
pwnguinedid stuff breaks09:05
pwnguina lot09:05
DanaGOh, another odd thing about brightness: the gnome OSD does NOT show up for hotkeys.09:07
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johnnybuoyfor you it doesnt09:09
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johnnybuoyfor me it does09:09
RAOFDoesn't for me, too.09:09
johnnybuoyat least when I last used gutsy (4days ago) it did09:09
johnnybuoydell 640m09:09
johnnybuoyDanaG, xdpyinfo | grep dimension09:10
johnnybuoyxrandr --query09:10
DanaGdimensions:    1440x900 pixels (373x231 millimeters)09:10
johnnybuoyU2?09:10
johnnybuoyDanaG, what machine is that?09:11
DanaG17" notebook.  Gateway M685.09:11
johnnybuoyoh, the mm is different here...09:11
johnnybuoydimensions:    1440x900 pixels (302x191 millimeters)09:11
johnnybuoy14,1"09:11
DanaGaah.09:12
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johnnybuoyi have no clue what the xorg.conf settinf for dpi is09:15
johnnybuoyI guess I'll leave it to gnome09:16
johnnybuoyheh, I have the right setting in X, gnome was wrong09:20
johnnybuoyx is smart at times...09:20
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DanaGe'er?09:31
Pumpernickelerr'r?09:33
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PumpernickelYeah, I saw.09:37
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Zentonhi all11:50
Zentonhas gutsy persistence?11:50
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ZentonI answer myself: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence12:21
Zentonseems gutsy does not have persistence12:21
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MacSlowGreetings everybody!12:34
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OldPinkHi01:22
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shirishdoes anybody have any idea when FF3 binaries are going to hit the repos. ?03:18
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mhbhi, what do you suggest as the least painful way to upgrade from Feisty->Gutsy right now?04:13
mhb== has anyone tried dist-upgrading?04:14
Hobbseemhb: try it.04:14
mhbHobbsee: did you dist-upgrade?04:17
Hobbseento recently04:17
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jussi01Hobbsee: when did you say tribe 2 was coming out?04:44
Hobbseejussi01: couple of days04:44
jussi01ok...04:45
Hobbseejussi01: i'm committing a change to kubuntu-desktop, so the cds will need spinning after that04:45
jussi01so waiting for that is the best idea?04:45
Hobbseejussi01: there's a critical adept bug though, so kubuntu's blocked a bit04:45
Hobbseeyeah04:45
jussi01ok :D04:45
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bur[n] erhello, I used to use hte i810 driver in Feisty, in Gutsy, i notice this has been replaced by "intel" and i'm curious if there's anything special I have to do.  I've tried with both the i810 and intel in the driver line.  Both make X fail.04:57
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terlmannis it safe to upgrade to gutsy yet ?05:32
terlmannI mean'05:32
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terlmannfrom feisty , is it usable by a user with a ati r_200  , sempteron , pata disks , and ethernet ?05:33
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Hobbseeterlmann: usable, sure.  most days, at least.05:34
Hobbseeterlmann: if you need a working system, all the time, then you should wait05:34
terlmannI dont05:35
terlmannis there a simple way to do it ?05:35
terlmann(upgrade)05:35
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terlmannI did it , nver mind05:41
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chadeldridgedoes anyone know if 7.10 will have better support for laptops using external monitors ?06:39
DanaGWhere's the option to auto-run scripts at amarok startup?06:42
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DanaGIt seems to have disappeared.06:42
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sparrmaking my biggest update to gutsy so far08:31
sparrwish me luck08:31
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moviim trying to find compiz-fusion repos for gutsy08:35
moviand also, is network-manager fixed now (nm-applet segfaulted a couple of days ago, and gnome-keyring seemed to be broken too)08:36
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RxDxhow can i enable the unstable actualizations on Feisty? like Kernel, Gnome, Pidgin... everything beta..09:23
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bipolarhas anyone else experianced massive gtk breakage?10:22
bipolarmissing symbols and such10:22
tormodbipolar: no10:23
bipolarhmm....10:24
coNPno restart yet10:24
coNPbut I expect some10:24
bipolarsomthing is majorly wrong here10:24
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bipolarvmware player and mysql-query-browser are broken10:24
bipolarmysql-query-browser: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangomm-1.4.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN4Glib13wrap_registerEjPFPNS_10ObjectBaseEP8_GObjectE10:25
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thompadoes anyone know how to get network manager back? somehow I am running net mon11:37
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thompaand i cant see my wireless places from any menu anymore but im on11:38
thompaanyway i  have to use knetwork manager11:42
thompaits working real well11:43
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gnomefreakthompa: network manager is broken pretty bad, its being worked on so we can push tribe 211:49
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