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[02:44] <DanaG> Odd, I just installed a libglademm update, and now the things give me a DIFFERENT error.
[02:44] <DanaG> pavucontrol: symbol lookup error: pavucontrol: undefined symbol: _ZN5Gnome5Glade3Xml18get_widget_checkedERKN4Glib7ustringEm
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[02:50] <h1st0> did they update gaim to pidgin in gusty?
[02:53] <wfarr> h1st0, yeah
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[03:58] <crimsun> I should write a Qt 4 version of pavucontrol
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[03:59] <RAOF> You should fix the interaction with pulseaudio and alsa's volume when there's only one mixer first :P
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[04:00] <crimsun> that's an intractable problem.  I think I've explained it?
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[04:00] <RAOF> Yeah, you have.
[04:01] <RAOF> Is it really intractable, though?  Couldn't you work around it?
[04:01] <RAOF> Alternatively, is it possible to fix the alsa driver :/
[04:02] <crimsun> well, I could softvol the current softvol.
[04:03] <crimsun> which basically means I break all sorts of other things to attempt to give an extra Master
[04:03] <RAOF> Ah, right.
[04:03] <crimsun> I'm going to take the "wimp" route and say, "the mixer interface is slated for redesign anyhow - it'll be fixed then."
[04:03] <RAOF> Is it?  Awesome.
[04:05] <RAOF> Man, I should have more time.  Then I could fix all the stuff I find annoying.
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[04:09] <illusions> what is the kernel version for 7.04?
[04:09] <crimsun> 2.6.20.
[04:10] <crimsun> not sure why you're asking in this channel, though, which is for gutsy (7.10)...
[04:11] <illusions> I asked in #ubuntu and Jordan told me to come here?
[04:11] <illusions> Jordan_U
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[04:13] <crimsun> right, that was an utter misdirection.
[04:22] <illusions> Hmmm, I have been looking at multiple sources for how to install the Dell1390 (Broadcom) wireless adapter. I've noticed that some sources have replacing the wireless drivers installed with ones from a newer kernel version. Is there anyway I can install this without ndiswrapper?
[04:23] <crimsun> bcm43xx works - to some degree - in gutsy's 2.6.22-6.13
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[04:23] <crimsun> I had a good experience with it until it randomly stopped loading the firmware
[04:23] <crimsun> after that, I sadly reverted to ndiswrapper
[04:24] <ajmorris_> ajmorris
[04:24] <crimsun> yes, that's you.
[04:24] <illusions> Hmmm, I was just wondering. I'm a new linux user, coming from windows (of course) and I played with Redhat Fedora Core 6 and that picked up everything perfectly. I just wanted to try Unbuntu and see what that is like.
[04:25] <ajmorris_> oops lol, testing msgs... sorry all
[04:25] <crimsun> gutsy's bcm43xx driver is leaps and bounds better than feisty's
[04:27] <illusions> what is the newest kernel availible for Feisty?
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[04:29] <crimsun> 2.6.20-16.29
[04:29] <crimsun> you need to address #ubuntu
[04:29] <crimsun> these feisty questions are being asked in the wrong channel.  Please see the topic of this IRC channel.
[04:29] <illusions> oh ok, thanks!
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[05:47] <ajmorris_> anyone have the feisty tuxfamily.org compiz fusion repos working on gutsy here?
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[05:57] <RAOF> ajmorris_: Any particular reason you're not testing Gutsy's Compiz+Fusion?
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[05:59] <ajmorris_> it doesn't work properly
[06:00] <RAOF> And you've filed bugs?
[06:00] <ajmorris_> no, lol
[06:00] <RAOF> Then why are you running Gutsy?
[06:01] <ajmorris_> to file bugs for things other than FX
[06:01] <ajmorris_> i get no error outputs anyway, so my reports would be somewhat useless
[06:02] <RAOF> Run at a terminal?  ~/.xsession-errors?
[06:02] <ajmorris_> none...
[06:02] <ajmorris_> the errors are just....
[06:02] <ajmorris_> things that won't work...
[06:02] <ajmorris_> like been able to change the minimise effects etc.
[06:03] <ajmorris_> there are no shell outputs and no errors in logs
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[06:03] <RAOF> It still sounds like a reasonable bug to file.
[06:04] <RAOF> Worst case: Amaranth asks you for more info :)
[06:04] <ajmorris_> ok, i will do it then...
[06:04] <ajmorris_> what is the 'normal' bug report site... the non-launchpad one?
[06:04] <Amaranth> err
[06:04] <Amaranth> launchpad is where you file ubuntu bugs
[06:04] <RAOF> You mean, the upstream bugzilla for compiz or fusion?
[06:04] <ajmorris_> bugzilla that's the one
[06:05] <Amaranth> don't file bugs in fusion's bugzilla
[06:05] <ajmorris_> oh kk
[06:05] <Amaranth> file bugs against ubuntu's packages in launchpad
[06:05] <ajmorris_> i usually file in launchpad anyway
[06:05] <ajmorris_> thanks :)
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[06:05] <Amaranth> that way i can check to see if it's my bug or a fusion/compiz bug and do the right thing from there
[06:06] <Amaranth> yay 2 more critical bugs filed against compiz are closed
[06:06] <Amaranth> down to 2 left and they're really libwnck bugs
[06:06] <Amaranth> but still critical for the composite-by-default spec so i'm leaving them so they don't get lost
[06:06] <crimsun> critical: compiz doesn't (un)tie my shoelaces.
[06:07] <crimsun> incomplete: (of course I'm wearing sandals, so I don't have shoelaces)
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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like.  Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 1 released
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[06:13] (Amaranth/#ubuntu+1) so compiz has two critical bugs and five high bugs
[06:13] (Amaranth/#ubuntu+1) yay
[06:13] (Amaranth/#ubuntu+1) getting lower :)
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[06:17] <pwnguin> network manager refuses to work with my ipw3495 chipset unless i toggle the wireless switch off and on again
[06:17] <pwnguin> =/
[06:18] <RAOF> Cool.  Today network manager decided to segfault on vpn connect for me :/
[06:18] <RAOF> But it otherwise works with my ipw3945
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[06:19] <Amaranth> lately network manager also thinks it has a wired connection and ignores me wireless
[06:19] <Amaranth> i blame avahi
[06:20] <RAOF> Yeah, nm is a bit broke right now :)
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[06:25] <crimsun> works great here!
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[06:25] <DanaG> Same for me, except after resume from suspend.  Oh, wait -- suspend is broken.  Nevermind.
[06:26] <DanaG> But NetworkManager doesn't seem to deal well with the wireless switch removing and re-adding eth1 -- it still sees the interface.
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[07:36] <bur[n] er_> anyone know if X is dead on intel 965's for some reason?
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[07:44] <DanaG> Cool the new pavucontrol and paman are there.
[07:44] <RAOF> What's new?
[07:45] <DanaG> Fixed error.
[07:47] <crimsun> libglademm2.4 broke ABI & API without any associated bump.
[07:47] <RAOF> wicked.
[07:48] <crimsun> this means that _every single app linking against libglademm-2.4-1c2a needs a rebuild
[07:48] <crimsun> it's darned beautiful I could kill a kitten
[07:48] <RAOF> Urgh.
[07:52] <DanaG> Needs one of those "Every time you <do that>, God kills a kitten." images.
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[08:33] <johnnybuoy> what do you guys use for devboxes?
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[08:34] <johnnybuoy> I mean, if you use virtualization for that purpose..
[08:34] <RAOF> I use my Core2 laptop.
[08:34] <RAOF> And virtualisation only to run the i386 version of Gutsy :)
[08:35] <johnnybuoy> yes
[08:35] <johnnybuoy> and what virtualization do you use?
[08:35] <RAOF> Oh, kvm.  I'll fix it tonight :)
[08:35] <johnnybuoy> ?
[08:36] <johnnybuoy> so kvm is fast?
[08:36] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:36] <johnnybuoy> I just tried it on feisty and it's slower than qemu...
[08:36] <DanaG> You must not have the module enabled, or something.
[08:36] <johnnybuoy> though I have a core2duo with VT
[08:36] <RAOF> Did you actually have your appropriate kvm module loaded?
[08:36] <johnnybuoy> kvm_intel
[08:36] <johnnybuoy> yes
[08:37] <johnnybuoy> and I'm member of the kvm group.
[08:37] <RAOF> Then you're seeing something that I don't.  qemu is slow for me, kvm is near native speed.
[08:37] <johnnybuoy> wow
[08:37] <johnnybuoy> hmm..
[08:37] <RAOF> (The graphics is what slows it down, I think)
[08:37] <johnnybuoy> ah...mayB
[08:38] <johnnybuoy> hmm...
[08:38] <johnnybuoy> dunno, I'd really like to be able to run xen, but there is no easy way to do that...
[08:38] <johnnybuoy> they say xen is the best atm..
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[08:38] <DanaG> Oh, except Win 3.11 to make people ask "Why?".
[08:38] <johnnybuoy> you use gutsy as main system?
[08:39] <johnnybuoy> heh
[08:39] <DanaG> Yup.
[08:39] <johnnybuoy> fun..
[08:39] <DanaG> I do bleeding-edge software, but not bleeding-edge hardware.
[08:39] <johnnybuoy> at least you aren't bored..
[08:39] <johnnybuoy> :)
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[08:39] <johnnybuoy> hi, coNP
[08:40] <coNP> hey johnnybuoy
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[08:40] <DanaG> big bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[08:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 
[08:40] <johnnybuoy> DanaG, isn't that the new gpm?
[08:40] <johnnybuoy> the idle timeout or whatever
[08:40] <DanaG> I attached it to both.
[08:40] <DanaG> gpm and kernel.
[08:40] <DanaG> oh yeah, g-p-m should be hyphenated -- gpm already exists.
[08:41] <johnnybuoy> I actually thing the idle LCD dimming is a great feature
[08:41] <DanaG> Look at the report.
[08:41] <johnnybuoy> kk
[08:41] <DanaG> I changed my idle brightness and battery brightness so it no longer turns entirely off,
[08:41] <johnnybuoy> yes
[08:41] <johnnybuoy> that is definitely an issue
[08:41] <johnnybuoy> it jumps, blinks when changing the brightness
[08:42] <DanaG> but now on dim-on-idle I get 100%<OFF>75%<OFF>50%<OFF>25%
[08:42] <johnnybuoy> I can confirm that one.
[08:42] <DanaG> er, s/dim/battery/.
[08:42] <DanaG> er, Imean s/idle/battery/
[08:42] <johnnybuoy> s/battery/dim/idle/battery ??
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[08:42] <DanaG> I screwed my sentence up twice.  I meant dim-on-battery.
[08:43] <johnnybuoy> yep
[08:43] <johnnybuoy> I can confirm the brightness changing thing
[08:43] <johnnybuoy> the two should be related, no?
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[08:43] <DanaG> This is confusing on battery: "dim display brightness BY" -- it's subtracted from 100.
[08:44] <DanaG> *BLINK*BLINK*BLINK*
[08:44] <johnnybuoy> heh
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[08:46] <DanaG> It was even more amusing when my power socket was wonky: the AC power would go on----off----on---off---on---off
[08:46] <DanaG> so I got BLINKBLINKBLINKBLINKBLINKBLINKBLINK
[08:46] <johnnybuoy> haha
[08:46] <johnnybuoy> lol
[08:46] <johnnybuoy> pfff
[08:47] <johnnybuoy> tough luck!
[08:47] <DanaG> 
[08:47] <johnnybuoy> okay, I confirmed...
[08:47] <johnnybuoy> wow
[08:47] <DanaG> Nice unicode.
[08:47] <johnnybuoy> yeah...
[08:47] <johnnybuoy> how'd you do that?
[08:47] <DanaG> I was looking around in gucharmap and found successive rising bars.
[08:48] <DanaG> Just one is 
[08:48] <DanaG> I mean, just one set of all levels.
[08:48] <johnnybuoy> wow, that's nice... :)
[08:48] <pwnguin> heh, it looks like question marks to me ;)
[08:48] <DanaG> Good for debugging things in code, or even for OSDs.
[08:49] <pwnguin> guess terminus isnt a unicode font ;)
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[08:50] <pwnguin> is that the new one from redhat?
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[08:51] <DanaG> Who needs Cleartype?  I use the default packages, and enable subpixel hinting -- and set my DPI correctly.
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[08:51] <johnnybuoy> how does one know the dpi?
[08:51] <coNP> that is in fact from Red Hat
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[08:52] <pwnguin> johnnybuoy: measure the screen, calculate the resolution
[08:52] <pwnguin> dpi is dots per inch
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[08:53] <DanaG> google for "javascript dpi"
[08:53] <johnnybuoy> okay
[08:53] <pwnguin> johnnybuoy: my firefox is only using 80 megs
[08:53] <johnnybuoy> "only"
[08:54] <johnnybuoy> it's only a browser, man, not an OS :D
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[08:54] <pwnguin> well, i've got some browser sync stuff and adblock
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[08:54] <johnnybuoy> adblock + tmp + session manager
[08:54] <johnnybuoy> + 7 tabs open
[08:54] <johnnybuoy> 130 megs right now
[08:55] <johnnybuoy> that's way too much
[08:55] <pwnguin> check about:cache
[08:55] <johnnybuoy> how do I change my DPI?
[08:55] <pwnguin> johnnybuoy: relating to fonts?
[08:56] <coNP> johnnybuoy: you can either change your display or your screen resolution
[08:56] <pwnguin> go to fonts->details
[08:56] <johnnybuoy> wow, gnome has an option for it in font settings
[08:56] <johnnybuoy> :)
[08:56] <DanaG> adblock plus + tab mix plus + stealther (yay) + ie tab (when in windows) + "MR Tech Local Install" + Searchbar Autosizer + Link Alert + Go Up +BugMeNot
[08:56] <pwnguin> but you might want to change it system wide
[08:56] <pwnguin> rather than gnome specifically
[08:56] <johnnybuoy> woo
[08:56] <johnnybuoy> my fonts became HUGE
[08:56] <DanaG> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- it may already have the right setting.
[08:57] <DanaG> Now reduce the numeric font size.
[08:57] <pwnguin> you should probably leave it at 10 if it's already there...
[08:57] <johnnybuoy> I acn't read the stuff is broken
[08:57] <johnnybuoy> can't see half of what's going up
[08:58] <johnnybuoy> cr*p
[08:58] <DanaG> That shouldn't have broken things.
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[08:59] <johnnybuoy> fonts do look better now :)
[08:59] <johnnybuoy> it was on 96dpi when my display has 120 :)
[08:59] <pwnguin> ah
[08:59] <johnnybuoy> thanks guys
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[09:00] <pwnguin> johnnybuoy: xorg.conf also has a dpi setting somewhere
[09:00] <DanaG> oops, I bumped something.
[09:00] <johnnybuoy> hmm..
[09:00] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that's another reason to use Linux: DPI scaling WORKS.
[09:00] <DanaG>  /my display is 98x99DPI.
[09:01] <DanaG> (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (98, 99); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[09:01] <pwnguin> heh
[09:01] <pwnguin> i wonder if thats right
[09:01] <johnnybuoy> okay, idk how to set dpi in xorg.conf
[09:02] <pwnguin> wish i could remember the command to display the edid stuff
[09:05] <pwnguin> edid stuff breaks
[09:05] <pwnguin> a lot
[09:07] <DanaG> Oh, another odd thing about brightness: the gnome OSD does NOT show up for hotkeys.
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[09:09] <johnnybuoy> for you it doesnt
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[09:09] <johnnybuoy> for me it does
[09:09] <RAOF> Doesn't for me, too.
[09:09] <johnnybuoy> at least when I last used gutsy (4days ago) it did
[09:09] <johnnybuoy> dell 640m
[09:10] <johnnybuoy> DanaG, xdpyinfo | grep dimension
[09:10] <johnnybuoy> xrandr --query
[09:10] <DanaG> dimensions:    1440x900 pixels (373x231 millimeters)
[09:10] <johnnybuoy> U2?
[09:11] <johnnybuoy> DanaG, what machine is that?
[09:11] <DanaG> 17" notebook.  Gateway M685.
[09:11] <johnnybuoy> oh, the mm is different here...
[09:11] <johnnybuoy> dimensions:    1440x900 pixels (302x191 millimeters)
[09:11] <johnnybuoy> 14,1"
[09:12] <DanaG> aah.
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[09:15] <johnnybuoy> i have no clue what the xorg.conf settinf for dpi is
[09:16] <johnnybuoy> I guess I'll leave it to gnome
[09:20] <johnnybuoy> heh, I have the right setting in X, gnome was wrong
[09:20] <johnnybuoy> x is smart at times...
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[09:31] <DanaG> e'er?
[09:33] <Pumpernickel> err'r?
[09:36] <DanaG> TheGoodShepherd left the room (quit: "How did the Irish poet say it, hmm? "E'er friend for today, is tomorrow's heartbreak."").
[09:37] <Pumpernickel> Yeah, I saw.
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[11:50] <Zenton> hi all
[11:50] <Zenton> has gutsy persistence?
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[12:21] <Zenton> I answer myself: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence
[12:21] <Zenton> seems gutsy does not have persistence
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[12:34] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
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[01:22] <OldPink> Hi
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[03:18] <shirish> does anybody have any idea when FF3 binaries are going to hit the repos. ?
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[04:13] <mhb> hi, what do you suggest as the least painful way to upgrade from Feisty->Gutsy right now?
[04:14] <mhb> == has anyone tried dist-upgrading?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mhb: try it.
[04:17] <mhb> Hobbsee: did you dist-upgrade?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> nto recently
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[04:44] <jussi01> Hobbsee: when did you say tribe 2 was coming out?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> jussi01: couple of days
[04:45] <jussi01> ok...
[04:45] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i'm committing a change to kubuntu-desktop, so the cds will need spinning after that
[04:45] <jussi01> so waiting for that is the best idea?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> jussi01: there's a critical adept bug though, so kubuntu's blocked a bit
[04:45] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:45] <jussi01> ok :D
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[04:57] <bur[n] er> hello, I used to use hte i810 driver in Feisty, in Gutsy, i notice this has been replaced by "intel" and i'm curious if there's anything special I have to do.  I've tried with both the i810 and intel in the driver line.  Both make X fail.
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[05:32] <terlmann> is it safe to upgrade to gutsy yet ?
[05:32] <terlmann> I mean'
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[05:33] <terlmann> from feisty , is it usable by a user with a ati r_200  , sempteron , pata disks , and ethernet ?
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[05:34] <Hobbsee> terlmann: usable, sure.  most days, at least.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> terlmann: if you need a working system, all the time, then you should wait
[05:35] <terlmann> I dont
[05:35] <terlmann> is there a simple way to do it ?
[05:35] <terlmann> (upgrade)
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[05:41] <terlmann> I did it , nver mind
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[06:39] <chadeldridge> does anyone know if 7.10 will have better support for laptops using external monitors ?
[06:42] <DanaG> Where's the option to auto-run scripts at amarok startup?
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[06:42] <DanaG> It seems to have disappeared.
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[08:31] <sparr> making my biggest update to gutsy so far
[08:31] <sparr> wish me luck
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[08:35] <movi> im trying to find compiz-fusion repos for gutsy
[08:36] <movi> and also, is network-manager fixed now (nm-applet segfaulted a couple of days ago, and gnome-keyring seemed to be broken too)
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[09:23] <RxDx> how can i enable the unstable actualizations on Feisty? like Kernel, Gnome, Pidgin... everything beta..
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[10:22] <bipolar> has anyone else experianced massive gtk breakage?
[10:22] <bipolar> missing symbols and such
[10:23] <tormod> bipolar: no
[10:24] <bipolar> hmm....
[10:24] <coNP> no restart yet
[10:24] <coNP> but I expect some
[10:24] <bipolar> somthing is majorly wrong here
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[10:24] <bipolar> vmware player and mysql-query-browser are broken
[10:25] <bipolar> mysql-query-browser: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangomm-1.4.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN4Glib13wrap_registerEjPFPNS_10ObjectBaseEP8_GObjectE
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[11:37] <thompa> does anyone know how to get network manager back? somehow I am running net mon
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[11:38] <thompa> and i cant see my wireless places from any menu anymore but im on
[11:42] <thompa> anyway i  have to use knetwork manager
[11:43] <thompa> its working real well
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[11:49] <gnomefreak> thompa: network manager is broken pretty bad, its being worked on so we can push tribe 2
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