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pittiLongPointyStick, Riddell: any idea about bug #121456?12:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12145612:23
pittiLongPointyStick, Riddell: can you please set an assignee for this? Thank you12:24
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KmosRiddell: bug 10484812:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 104848 in hwdb-client "Bad english translation on hwdb-client" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10484812:32
Kmoscheck this one12:32
Kmosi've attached a debdiff12:32
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keescookrealist: general public security discussions have been moved to the motu mailing list.  If you have a patch upstream won't take, that's a concern -- if it's a "real" problem, we should find a way to convince upstream why it's important.  If that's not possible, carrying the patch in Debian is next best, and finally Ubuntu.02:56
LaserJockanybody got a gutsy machine and are willing to do a quick application test for me?03:01
sbalneavLaserJock: I'm heading home in a few minutes, where my gutsy box is, what do you need?03:03
LaserJockI need an xaos test03:03
LaserJockjust open it up and try to get to a help/tutorial03:03
sbalneavGonna be around tonight?03:04
LaserJockyeah, later is fine03:04
sbalneavok, I'll be home in less than an hour.03:04
sbalneavI'll do it for you then.03:04
sbalneavsee you all later.03:04
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johanbrLaserJock: Seems to work for me, with xaos version 3.2-4ubuntu103:05
LaserJockjohanbr: did you run xaos from the menu or command line?03:08
johanbrCommand line03:08
LaserJockcan you try it from the menu?03:10
ajmitchhi LaserJock 03:11
LaserJockhi ajmitch 03:13
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LaserJockjohanbr: did you get into the actual help or just the help menu?03:18
johanbrLaserJock: Oh, sorry I wasn't paying attention. I'll try it from the menu. And I used the help menu to get into one of the tutorials.03:19
johanbrLaserJock: It also works running from the menu, going into the help system. The only problem I noticed is that the window has some weird transparency when running under Xgl.03:22
LaserJockfor some reason in Feisty ${prefix} wasn't getting expanded so it was looking for the help literally in "${prefix}/usr/share/"03:23
LaserJockjohanbr: ah, is it really light?03:23
LaserJockthere is a bug report about using xaos and beryl causing that03:23
LaserJockbug #109406 if you care to add to it03:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109406 in xaos "beryl makes xaos impossible (almost ) to use" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10940603:25
LaserJockjohanbr: thank you very much for testing that03:26
johanbrYou're welcome. Glad I could be of help. :)03:26
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lousygaruahow can i reopen a bug which was marked invalid? bug 12199503:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121995 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu logo cropped on launchpad page entry" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12199503:36
ScottKlousygarua: Change the status to something other than invald.03:36
lousygaruaScottK: i don't have that kind of option. was it blocked by some kind of ultra administrator?03:37
ajmitchbugs are generally marked as invalid as a reason03:37
ajmitchin this case I'd presume from the title that the bug is in launchpad, not in ubuntu03:38
lousygaruaajmitch: not really in launchpad, it's more like a human-error they made03:38
ajmitchthe first reply also says where to file the bug03:38
lousygaruaajmitch: it says "there", i have no idea where is it. i'd put it there in the first place coz it also seems not logical to me to file it under ubuntu03:39
ScottKlousygarua: Look at the bug again.03:39
lousygaruaScottK: launchpad... hmm.03:40
LaserJockhmm, interesting, I hadn't noticed that before03:40
ScottKYep.  That's what the bug is in (and I see it too).03:40
lousygaruaScottK: well i still think it's a human-error and not a bug in launchpad but i'll file it there anyway03:40
LaserJockshouldn't it just be retargeted to Launchpad03:40
ScottKLaserJock: Maybe you know LP ju ju better than I do.  That's the best I could do...03:41
LaserJocklousygarua: but the bug is about something in launchpad, not in Ubuntu03:41
lousygaruaLaserJock: they made it invalid so i guess the bug is dead03:41
LaserJocklousygarua: no it's not03:41
LaserJocklousygarua: they made that task invalid03:41
ScottKIt's invaild in Ubuntu, but not Launchpad now.03:41
ScottKLaserJock: I just added the LP task.03:41
lousygaruaScottK: LaserJock: hmm so how do i add an affected package besides distribution and upstream?03:42
LaserJockthose are the options03:43
LaserJockin this case I think upstream works03:43
lousygaruaScottK: LaserJock: hmm i think i'm stupid03:43
LaserJocklousygarua: I doubt it03:43
LaserJockit takes some getting used to03:43
lousygaruaScottK: LaserJock: oh well i'll just file it under launchpad and link to the invalid bug thing03:44
lousygaruaScottK: LaserJock: thanks03:44
LaserJocklousygarua: no, it's already taken care of03:44
lousygaruaLaserJock: stealing my karma, are you?03:44
LaserJockScottK just added a task against Launchpad, have another look03:44
LaserJockheh, no03:44
LaserJockI don't need to steal people's karma03:45
ajmitchyou're a deity all by yourself without other peoples' karma03:45
lousygaruaLaserJock: :) j/k03:45
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LaserJockajmitch: exactly ;-)03:45
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lousygaruaLaserJock: well, thanks again anyway03:46
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fabbione_morning guys06:14
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LaserJockhi fabbione 06:17
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dholbachgood morning08:16
LaserJockmorning dholbach 08:17
dholbachheya LaserJock08:17
pygimorning dholbach and LaserJock 08:23
dholbachhi pygi08:23
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pittiGood morning08:26
fabbionehey pitti08:26
pittihi fabbione 08:26
pittifabbione: could you please do me a favour?08:27
fabbionepitti: i guess so08:27
pittifabbione: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html has some sparc-isms; do you have a clean gutsy chroot with only 'main' enabled?08:27
fabbionepitti: i can make one for sure...08:27
pittifabbione: and could you try to apt-get install those packages and see what we need to fix to make them installable?08:27
fabbionepitti: on it08:28
pittifabbione: thank you08:28
fabbioneno problem at all08:28
pittifabbione: so, language-selector fails due to adept, and kubuntu-desktop due to language-selector (I hope there's no other reason)08:28
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pittifabbione: I guess it comes down to libept FTBFSing on sparc (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8161201/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-sparc.libept_0.5.7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)08:30
fabbionepitti: i am bootstrapping the chroot right now08:31
fabbionesorry this machine is not the fastest i have at the moment08:31
pittifabbione: no problem, just thinking loud08:31
fabbioneeheh ok08:31
fabbionepitti: ept_apt_version: ......Bus error08:32
fabbione^^ non-64bit allignment memory access08:32
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pittihm, 0.4.7ubuntu2 still built on sparc08:33
fabbioneit might build.. sure.. but not run08:33
fabbionegcc doesn't detect that at build time08:34
pittifabbione: no, that's an old version; maybe it didn't have a test suite yet08:34
fabbionei will look into it.. it might be something totally unrelated that's crashing08:34
pittiso it's a runtime failure, but the test suite is run during build08:34
fabbioneyeah it's all good08:35
fabbionei will at least pinpont what fails08:35
fabbionebut i am not going to patch it...08:35
fabbionethere is faure to do that08:35
fabbionehow is ept maintainer anyway?08:35
pittiMaintainer: Enrico Zini <enrico@debian.org>08:35
fabbioneoh boys08:36
fabbioneenrico: ping?08:36
pittiin Debian, it's still depwait on sparc08:36
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StevenKpitti: I've been looking at merging the new version of ept.08:44
pittiStevenK: 'new version'? not from Debian then?08:44
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StevenKpitti: Sorry, yes from Debian. 08:44
pittiBurgundavia: I dont' see a new version in Debian08:45
pittierm, StevenK ^08:45
pittiwe synced 0.5.708:45
StevenKI didn't know that bit.08:45
pittiBurgundavia: do you think the marketing team will have time for the tribe2 news wiki page? or shall I prepare for elaborating in the release notes?08:46
BurgundaviaI will do it08:47
pittiBurgundavia: great, thank you08:47
StevenKpitti: In terms of stuff I'm qualified to talk about, 3 out of the 4 jasper rebuilds were uploaded last night, leaving rss-glx and graphicsmagick. rss-glx is waiting on the two MIRs, and graphicsmagick blows up fairly spectacularly during a test build.08:48
Burgundaviapitti: can you fire an email to -marketing?08:48
pittiogra: edubuntu server/i386 is 14 MB oversized, btw08:49
pittiBurgundavia: hm, I did last Friday08:49
pittitwo, actually08:49
StevenKHurray, someone else filed a bug on packagesearch saying it doesn't work with the new libept.08:50
Burgundaviapitti: ok08:50
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fabbionepitti: 08:57
fabbione  debtags: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.4-6-3.53 but it is not installable08:57
fabbioneE: Package libapt-pkg-libc6.4-6-3.53 has no installation candidate08:57
fabbionethat would solve also adept08:57
pittifabbione: ok, so that's really the only reason?08:58
fabbioneseems like08:58
StevenKdebtags and adept need a rebuild?08:58
pittifabbione: ok, so it all comes down to the libept FTBFS08:58
fabbione  ltsp-client: Depends: usplash-theme-ubuntu but it is not installable08:58
fabbionepitti: checking the others08:58
fabbioneE: Package usplash-theme-ubuntu has no installation candidate08:58
pittiStevenK: debtags is DEPWAIT for libept, it'll autorebuild once libept gets fixed08:58
pittiusplash-theme-ubuntu |       0.14 |         gutsy | source, amd64, i386, powerpc08:58
pittifabbione: apparently no usplash on sparc?08:59
fabbionepitti: but why?08:59
fabbioneit used to build08:59
pittilatest version still does08:59
fabbioneLP lost the binaries?09:00
fabbioneltspfsd -> ltsp-client09:00
pittifabbione: usplash_0.5.2_sparc.deb is on drescher09:00
fabbionechecking if it is here09:01
StevenKBut usplash-theme-ubuntu is a seperate source package.09:01
pittifabbione: it's not in PaS09:01
fabbioneit's not in my local archive09:01
fabbionefabbione@gordian:/mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/u/usplash-theme-ubuntu$ ls *.deb09:01
fabbioneusplash-theme-ubuntu_0.14_amd64.deb  usplash-theme-ubuntu_0.6_amd64.deb09:01
fabbioneusplash-theme-ubuntu_0.14_i386.deb   usplash-theme-ubuntu_0.6_i386.deb09:01
Mithrandirthere's no build for u-t-u on sparc.09:01
pittifabbione: so, drescher's Package.gz does have it09:01
Mithrandirthat is, for the latest version09:02
StevenKOr powerpc09:02
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pittiPackage: usplash-theme-ubuntu09:03
pittiArchitecture: i386 powerpc amd6409:03
StevenKusplash-theme-ubuntu-0.14% grep Arch debian/control09:03
StevenKArchitecture: i386 powerpc amd6409:03
pittithat's explainable09:03
StevenKpitti: Bah! :-)09:03
fabbionesomebody should fix that09:03
fabbioneusplash works on sparc09:04
fabbioneor used to09:04
StevenKI'm happy to upload 0.15 that sets Architecture to any09:04
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pittifabbione: will do09:04
pygioh well, StevenK can do it :P09:04
fabbioneoh well09:04
pittiStevenK: handing over to you then :)09:04
fabbioneanybody can do it :)09:04
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pittifabbione: thanks for the investigations09:05
fabbionepitti: i am going to look into ept failure in a few minutes. i am debugging something worst atm09:06
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fabbionepitti: libept building now09:18
StevenKpitti, fabbione: Just about to upload u-t-u with Arch: any09:19
fabbioneStevenK: cool thanks09:20
StevenKpitti: gutenprint on gutsy_probs looks to be a rebuild, want me to handle it?09:24
pittiStevenK: I mailed Till, but if a rebuild really solves is, please go ahead09:28
pittiStevenK: I just uploaded a new version maybe four days ago, that's why I had some doubts09:28
StevenKAh, okay. I'm just to leave to go home. I'll look in roughly an hour if Till hasn't already.09:29
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dholbachStevenK: pitti: a rebuild fixes it09:35
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pittidholbach: thank you09:36
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fabbionepitti: so the test suite executed manually works09:36
fabbioneit BusHorror when executed from the script that does some crazy relink stuff09:36
fabbionetests summary: exceptions:4 failures:24 ok:4909:37
fabbioneroot@vultus5:~/libept-0.5.7# echo $?09:37
pittifabbione: so it's just a test suite problem?09:39
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fabbionepitti: seems so09:39
pittifabbione: in that case, "./run-tests || [ `uname -m` = sparc ]  " might be an appropriate workaround until Debian fixes it :)09:39
fabbionepitti: i am ok with whatever solution you prefer09:40
fabbionethis is C++ and some crazy gcc/ld stuff that i am not sure i want to start digging atm09:40
fabbionei am working on some more important and urgent stuff at the moment09:40
fabbionelike SUN disk label corruption09:40
pittirunning the test suite on the other arches is still good, but I'm fine with silencing it on sparc; enrico will encounter it on Debian anyway09:40
fabbioneworst case i can give sparc access to enrico09:41
fabbionethat's not an issue09:41
pittifabbione: maybe s/uname -m/dpkg --print-architecture/09:41
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fabbionepitti: whatever you prefer :)09:41
pittifabbione: could you do that workaround?09:41
fabbionepitti: perhaps we want to make it build1 instead of ubuntu1?09:42
pittifabbione: well, it's a modification, so ubuntu1 is necessary AFAICS09:42
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pitti... so we should blame it all on Sebastien09:42
fabbionepitti: i agree...09:43
pittioh, good morning seb12809:43
seb128hey pitti09:43
fabbionepitti: anyway i am on it since seb128 it's not even awake yet.. slacker09:43
pittiseb128: (just ignore us)09:43
seb128oh, people doing my job, cool09:43
seb128I can get some extra sleep then ;)09:43
pittiseb128: can we do something about downsizing gnome-user-guide? maybe using bzip2 will give us some space back?09:45
pittiwe need to chop off 20 MB from the alternates somehow09:45
seb128didn't you do this previous cycle?09:45
pittiseb128: that was ubuntu-user-guide09:45
pitti(or similar)09:45
seb128well, probably yes09:45
seb128I'll give it a try09:46
superm1Mithrandir, good morning, ping09:47
pittiseb128: just as a reminder, please don't forget the Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.10.24)09:48
seb128pitti: right09:48
superm1ah pitti i wanted to ask you something too.  When composite by default goes live, how are things going to be handled about nvidia prop driver?  Is it going to be preinstalled with restricted manager just notifying immediately in the live env, or just the same as waiting until the reboot to activate them?09:49
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pittisuperm1: we won't enable binary drivers by default yet; ATM compiz will only be enabled on known-good drivers/cards09:49
pittilike intel09:49
superm1okay thats what i was thinking the case would be09:49
pittiother users will end up with metacity09:49
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superm1pitti, is there any chance that restricted manager could ever get a text frontend so that it can easily be used in things like ubiquity though?09:50
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pittisuperm1: there is already --enable and --disable09:51
pittisuperm1: I'm fine with implementing other stuff, whatever is necessary09:51
superm1pitti, doesn't that still use X though because it calls synaptic to do the package install?09:52
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pittisuperm1: right09:52
pittibut ubiquity does, too :)09:53
pitti(use X)09:53
pittibut we could teach it to work with apt-get, too, when there is no $DISPLAY09:53
superm1well reason i'm bringing any of this up, i was attempting to adapt it to the mythbuntu frontend that ubiquity will be getting, and i was wondering if a command line installer such as apt-get could be an option instead09:54
superm1because its already in a chroot at the point its getting installed09:54
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superm1the other problem too though is displaying the license when no $DISPLAY is available.09:55
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pittiseb128: hm, gnome-user-guide with bzip2 only saves 400 KB09:57
seb128pitti: not worth doing it then09:58
dholbachpitti: do you know why libgnomedb is in main?10:02
pittidholbach: not really, it seems to only depend on itself10:03
dholbachok, we can throw it out then :)10:04
dholbachgtk-sharp is the last problem before we can move gda2 to universe10:04
pittiah, build dep of glade, which was in main until recently10:04
pittidholbach: gtk-sharp is in universe10:04
pittiI wonder why anastacia doesn't show libgnomedb then10:04
dholbachoh great10:05
pittisupported: * libgnomedb2-bin10:05
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pittidholbach: only libgda2 rdep left is planner10:07
dholbachI'll drop the build-dep, so we don't have the database exporter plugin until it is ported to gda310:07
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fabbionepitti: libept uploaded10:15
pittifabbione: yay, thanks10:15
fabbioneno problem10:15
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Fujitsupitti: Is apport meant to be giving useless bugs like #121710?10:16
Fujitsubug #12171010:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121710 in glabels "glabels crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12171010:16
pittiFujitsu: not meant to, of course, but it's due to bug 11926710:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119267 in linux-source-2.6.22 "apport patches for CORE_REAL_RLIM and limit overriding do not work any more" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11926710:17
pittiFujitsu: when you encounter them, please just reject them10:17
pittiFujitsu: well, 'invalid' in the new Malone world now10:17
dholbachpitti: planner uploaded10:18
Fujitsupitti: Right, will do.10:18
dholbachpitti: once it has built, we can dump gda210:18
pittidholbach: rock10:18
pittioh, we ship python2.4 on the alternates; that seems like a good candiate for kicking10:22
pittidoko: ^ do we actually need that for anything?10:22
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FujitsuIs there any particular reason that the dist-upgrader error reporting doesn't give the version of the package?10:28
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Mithrandirsuperm1: please don't just contentless ping me, it's useless; I respond if I'm around and not if I'm not.10:41
pittibryce, seb128: do we really need both xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi by default?10:43
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dholbachpitti: due to the fixed glib abi change, lots of g*mm packages have to be rebuilt - expect lots of uploads in a bit10:47
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StevenKdholbach: If you need a hand, let me know.10:48
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Fujitsupitti: Is it coming back at any point in the foreseeable future?10:48
StevenKpitti: Oh, now I remember what I wanted to talk you about.10:48
dholbachthanks StevenK, I think I'll simply script10:48
pittiFujitsu: I hope today, I'll poke cprov again10:48
FujitsuI would have thought it was fairly urgent.10:49
pittiFujitsu: the problem and solution are clear, it just needs rollout10:49
pittiFujitsu: it is, absolutely; lack of -changes really sucks10:49
StevenKAre the mails that didn't hit there lost forever?10:49
FujitsuI suspect they're easy to regenerate.10:49
StevenKpitti: Two or three (I haven't looked deeply) of the packages listed under universe for libwnck are Beryl or Beryl related. Are they going to be killed, or should I fix them?10:50
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FujitsuAnd is there any reason to keep desktop-effects around?10:51
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pittiFujitsu: d-e is in universe now10:51
pittiStevenK, mvo: dunno, can we remove the beryl packages for good? have they been merged completely?10:51
Fujitsupitti: Right. As in, does it want to exist at all?10:51
crimsunpitti: does http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/gutsy/daily-20070625.log correspond to daily?10:52
pittiFujitsu: I don't see much reason for it any more10:52
pitticrimsun: not sure what you mean exactly10:52
Fujitsupitti: I presume it was demoted because the new Appearance tab replaces it... so it should probably cease to exist, along with all its lovely bugs.10:52
crimsunpitti: meaning are those the actual binary packages ending up on daily?  If so, I can cut ~2 MB from alt. for libasound2-plugins10:53
gicmoseb128: ALTER10:53
seb128gicmo: Alter!10:53
pitticrimsun: the ones mentioned in the logs, yes10:53
pittimvo, seb128: do you see any reason to keep desktop-effects even in universe?10:53
FujitsuYay :)10:54
crimsunpitti: ok, I'll upload a new libasound2-plugins with the ffmpeg bit disabled to buy 2 MB more for alternate.10:54
FujitsuDo we need a removal request bug?10:54
StevenKpitti: And I can name roughly 6 people who want to see Beryl dead. :-)10:54
pittiseb128: can gnome-control-center C/R/P: desktop-effects then, for clean upgrades?10:54
pittiFujitsu: I'll do it now once we sort out the migration with seb12810:54
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seb128pitti: they don't really conflicts, is using C,R,P correct?10:57
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pittiseb128: right, they don't conflict file-wise, but this is the 'package a now provides the functionality of b, and b is obsolete' case, right?10:58
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pittilifeless: ship: * cvs [i386 amd64]     # RobertCollins11:01
seb128pitti: well, C,R,P doesn't provide an upgrade path, it just make gnome-control-center installed when you "apt-get install desktop-effects"11:01
pittilifeless: would you be really worried if we moved this from ship to supported? :)11:01
seb128if it was not installed11:01
pittilifeless: it would save us 1.6 MB from the CD11:01
pittiseb128: well, but for people who have control-center installed it would remove d-e on upgrade11:02
pygihey seb128, how is it going?11:03
seb128hi pygi11:03
pittidoes anyone know something else that we could kick off the alternate CDs?11:03
seb128good, slightly busy though11:03
pittihm, we could kick nvidia-glx11:04
pygiseb128, k, then I'll bug about GB later on11:04
lifelesswould it be evil for svn to suggest bzr-svn ?11:04
Mithrandiras long as it's a suggests, I don't see why11:04
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pittiMithrandir: do you see an imperative reason to keep nvidia-glx in ship?11:05
thomhrm, shouldn't bzr-svn Enhances: svn?11:05
thomand not touch svn11:05
lifelessthom: ah yes, true.11:05
Fujitsuthom: Has there actually been a use of Enhances before?11:05
Mithrandirthom: except nothing uses enhances, afaik11:05
thomFujitsu: no idea. this seems like a good point to start, though11:06
lifelessnothing stops us doing both11:06
shawarmapitti: It's "ship" in the seeds that control what ends up on the alternate CD, right?11:06
pygiFujitsu, probably, but neither apt or synaptic use it :P11:06
lifelessEnhances for correctness, suggests to make it work11:06
pittishawarma: right, on top of ubuntu-desktop11:06
Mithrandirpitti: hardware support? :-P I think we should have it in ship.11:06
pittiMithrandir: so we prefer nvidia over ati? :-)11:07
Mithrandirpitti: their driver is less bad, afaik11:07
pittiMithrandir: AFAICS it would be one of the lesser evils for amputation candidates11:07
Mithrandiroh well11:07
pittiI'm not really sure what accounts for the 20 MB the alternates grew since tribe-111:08
pittiI diffed the file lists, and there were no significant additiosn11:08
pitti * mutt                # ThomMay; we need a basic mail client, this is the best-smallest11:09
seb128pygi: GB?11:10
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thompitti: mutt is tiny!11:11
pittithom: 1.3 MB11:11
pygiseb128, Gnomebaker11:11
seb128pygi: just ask11:11
pittithom: well, 1.1, but it's a start11:11
fabbionepitti: what about checking file size of packages from tribe-1 cd and see if one of them exploded in -2 ?11:11
pygiseb128, it's not urgent, just do your work now11:11
pittithom: it's my MUA as well, but we have to kick something11:11
fabbionepitti: perhaps it's just a packaging error11:11
pittifabbione: something like that, yes; last time it was ubuntu-docs11:12
pittibut that's not it11:12
seb128pygi: I'm almost busy all the time, you better ask now if you want something :p11:12
shawarmaDo we really need an MTA on the alternate CD?11:12
pittishawarma: we have evolution11:12
pittioh, MTA11:12
shawarmaMTA. not MUA11:12
shawarmaPostfix is in ship.11:13
pygiseb128, don't want anything :) Just wanted to see what can we do about insane amount of bugs which GB has, and it's not maintained upstream right now for a long time AFAIK11:13
pittishawarma: well, there is a server mode, but now that we have a server CD, I'm inclined to kick samba and postfix11:13
fabbionehmmm no we don't but make sure it won't kill it from the server cd11:13
shawarmaWe have a server CD and if someone wants an MTA, they probably have an internet connection..11:13
pittishawarma: and server is now called 'CLI'11:13
seb128pygi: well, triage them or take over upstream ;)11:13
pittifabbione: no, just from ship11:13
shawarmapitti: No, I think we should leave samba.11:13
seb128pygi: we can't remove it, it has an userbase11:13
fabbioneIIRC there are a bunch of gnome stuff that use samba11:14
pittishawarma: we have the client stuff anyway, why do we need the server on the alternate so urgently?11:14
pygiseb128, it's easy to triage, but we can't create too many patches --> imho, useless when brasero works pretty good. And "haha" on the b) option11:14
pittifabbione: client only11:14
pygiseb128, yea, I understand that.11:14
pygiseb128, some time in the future (when we can get some sane replacement) I also want to move xfburn (main) to universe, because it's *broken* and *can't* burn a cd11:14
shawarmapitti: I think it's commonly used to share files, that's all.11:14
pygibut that's pending discussion with Jani11:15
seb128pygi: that's from xfce, I can't speak about this one11:15
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pygiseb128, right, but about GB you can ^_^11:15
seb128well, it's being used so we can't remove it11:16
seb128and there is no better replacement anyway11:16
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shawarmapitti: I'm not that passionate about it, I just don't think its removal be as easily justified as postfix'.11:16
pittishawarma: I agree11:16
pygiseb128, how come? Brasero isn't better?11:17
hungerHow can I stop that damn xdg-user-dirs from spamming my homedir with directories?11:17
seb128pygi: is brasero working?11:17
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pygiseb128, what kind of question would that be? xD11:18
seb128pygi: I don't burn CDs out of nautilus-cd-burner, I didn't use gnomebacker nor brasero yet11:18
pygiseb128, do try. It uses libburn & libisofs11:18
pygiI made the packages, it gotta work :P11:18
seb128I had the impression that brasero was being actively worked but not stable and ready for mass usage yet11:19
shawarmahunger: See $HOME/.config/user-dirs.dirs11:19
shawarmahunger: Just set them all to point directly to your $HOME or whereever you want things to land.11:19
pygiseb128, do try, you'll change your opinion ;)11:19
seb128hunger: no need to be agressive11:19
pygiseb128, it doesn't however build on sparc and ppc, I'm after upstream for that11:19
seb128pygi: should we promote it to desktop and start shipping it on the CD then?11:19
pygibugs that brasero has right now, and most of them I could solve:11:20
pygisee bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/9104311:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 91043 in brasero "Install Brasero by default" [Wishlist,New]  11:21
pygifor my opinion on shipping on cd & installing by default11:21
hungerseb128: Sorry. I have to appologize.11:21
pygihowever yes, indeed ... in the future (be it for gutsy or a gutsy+1) we will have to push a gtk+ cdrecording application forward11:21
hungershawarma: Thanks! and sorry for being so rude.11:21
shawarmahunger: Actually, I did not even notice the "that damn" part and then it wasn't so bad at all :)11:22
seb128pygi: well, "Brasero doesn't burn audio cd" for example is something which make me tell it's not ready11:22
pittiah, evolution-common alone grew by 4 MB11:22
pygiseb128, as I said ... not yet :P11:22
pygiseb128, read my comment on that bug =)11:22
pygiit can't be pushed to main anyway as sparc and ppc don't build11:23
pygiand I have no intention to seriously overhaul upstream code to make it work11:23
pygi(might not be like that, but still ... it's still scsi issues, with new parts of the code introduced in 0.5.90)11:23
pygiseb128, we'll see, I know =)11:24
pygipatience ^_^11:24
pygithere are some new things in the works, let's see how it works out11:24
dokopitti: yes, for zope2.x11:25
pittidoko: I mean on the alternate CD; AFAICS that was only bzr, and I just fixed that11:25
dokopitti: python2.4 shouldn't land on any CD ...11:26
pittidoko: right; fixing bzr should save us some 3.5 MB11:26
hungershawarma: I get pretty easily annoyed when my computer suddenly behaves differently:-(11:27
dokopitti: but we have to keep it in main11:27
shawarmahunger: If that's the case, you shouldn't be running Gutsy :)11:27
pittidoko: of course; I'm just worried about the CD overflow ATM11:27
mvo_pitti: beryl can go, its now all in compiz-fusion and its considered legacy now. desktop-effects can go too II think, the only reason we may want to keep it is e.g. for xubuntu11:27
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mvo_pitti:  for people who do not want to install the gnome-control-center depends, but do want desktop-effects :)11:28
pittimvo_: ok; I would be happy about a C/R/P: desktop-effects in gnome-control-center; I'll leave it in universe for now until the xubuntu guys say that they don't want it11:28
mvo_pitti: but then, someone needs to fix it a bit harder, its currently working but not great11:28
Mithrandirhm, why does ~/.config/user-dirs.locale claim nb_NO?  I haven't used that locale for years.11:28
pittidholbach: libgtkmm-2.4 is new on the CDs (1.2 MB), hmm11:29
ograpitti, yes, i noticed its oversized, the nbd breakage held me back from looking at it11:30
mvo_pitti: I'm not sure about the C/R/P, its technically correct, but g-c-c is installed on pretty much every ubuntu system anyway and people who do not have it (e.g. xubuntu) will probably not want it11:30
pittidholbach: oh, gnome-system-monitor uses it now11:30
pittimvo_: I actually intend that for automatically removing d-e on upgrades, when we remove the package from the archive11:31
pittimvo_: i. e. g-c-c should c/r/p to d-e, not the other way round11:31
seb128pitti: uses what?11:31
pittiseb128: gnome-system-monitor uses gtkmm2.4 now11:31
seb128dholbach: BTW, gtkmm2.4 is b0rked, ABI change without soname change it looks like11:31
seb128pitti: right11:31
seb128pitti: upstream decided that C++ is good11:32
dholbachseb128: that was due to the glib change11:32
dholbachseb128: I'm doing a mass rebuild now11:32
seb128dholbach: new version didn't build since saturday?11:32
seb128dholbach: no need to do a mass rebuild, ask pitti to trigger rebuilds11:33
dholbachseb128: rebuilds of all packages that depend on the *mm stack11:33
pittiseb128: ?11:33
dholbachseb128: not rebuilds of ftbfs packages11:33
seb128pitti: I though dholbach was needed a buildd retry11:33
pittimvo_: ok, thanks; I'll kill beryl then for now11:33
pittiah, ok11:33
seb128dholbach: all the packages which built with the broken version you mean?11:33
dholbachno, unfortunately all packages11:34
crimsunno, all packages.11:34
pittinow is the very best time to do intrusive stuff in the archive without getting caught by me :)11:34
dholbachpitti: hehe11:34
iwjMorning everyone.11:35
seb128dholbach: why?11:35
pittihi iwj11:35
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seb128dholbach: gnome-system-monitor works again since the new gtkmm update without a rebuild for example11:35
dholbachseb128: that's one of the few then - try workrave11:35
dholbachseb128: it didn't get uploaded during the new glib11:35
dholbachand it's what murrayc said11:36
pittiogra: do we really need ltsp on the ubuntu alternates? in particular, ldm is really big and new since tribe-111:36
seb128dholbach: so there is a mm stack breakage and rebuilding apps is not the way to go11:36
seb128that means the mm libs broke ABI11:36
Fujitsuworkrave, paprefs... Anything in `apt-cache rdepends libgconfmm-2.6-1c2`11:36
dholbachseb128: it broke because of the glib change11:36
dholbachseb128: so there's nothing that broke in g*mm11:36
seb128glib changes have reverted11:36
dholbachno it was not reverted11:36
seb128it should be back to original state11:36
dholbachit got changed differently11:37
ograpitti, big ?11:37
pittiogra: 2.2 MB11:37
ograi actually never checked the package size 11:37
pittiogra: ltsp-client and -server are tiny, I don't care, but ldm is heavy11:37
ograpitti, ergh, right thats all the themes, we have kubuntu and xubuntu in now11:37
ograpitti, i think we can drop it for one tribe ...11:38
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pittiogra: hm, ldm depends on ldm | sdm-terminal | x-display-manager, so gdm should work as a dependency as well11:38
Fujitsupitti: ldm depends on itself?11:38
seb128dholbach: 11:38
pittiogra: I might just be able to blacklist ldm for ubuntu then :)11:39
ograpitti, that breaks ltsp11:39
pittiogra: huh?11:39
ogradrop it for tribe 211:39
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ograi'll split out theme packages11:39
pittiogra: if ltsp-client *only* works with ldm and not with gdm, then the dependencies are wrong11:39
ograso you only need to ship the ubuntu theme11:39
ograpitti, it breaks *our* setup 11:39
pittiogra: I mean "blacklist from getting on the ubuntu alternate CD", not "blacklist from getting anywyere"11:40
ograwell, its useless on any other CD 11:40
ograits not on the desktop CD11:40
ograand it wont be of any use on the server CD unless we add desktop packages to it11:41
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pittiogra: argh11:57
pittiogra: any chance to remove the libgl1-mesa-dri dependency from ltsp-client?11:58
pittiogra: that's a recent addition, and pulls in that 14 MB package11:58
pittiogra: if we fix that, we, by and large, fixed the overflow problem for this round11:58
pittiogra: do you really need it? or is maybe a Recommends: the right thing?11:59
ograi have one other fix waiting as well ...11:59
ograi dont think we need it at all12:00
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ograpitti, i dont think we need it at all12:01
pittiogra: I still got that12:01
pittiogra: that would be awesome; should fix the edubuntu CD as well, I figure12:01
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ogralets drop it then, but give me 2h after the package built to do a test bootstrap ...12:02
ograiirc ther e was a dependency problem thats why i added it ...12:02
pittiogra: yup, no problem12:03
pittiogra: we need new langpacks as well, so I might not even build another set of dailies today12:03
pittihm, where's carlos today?12:03
ograthat gives me the necessary testing time12:03
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pittisomeone please upload something to test this :)12:07
StevenKHrm. I don't think I have something ready to upload.12:09
seb128pitti: I uploaded something some minutes ago12:09
pittiStevenK: ah, gutenprint built everywhere, splendid12:10
StevenKpitti: That was dholbach's doing.12:10
pittidholbach: thanks to you then :)12:10
StevenKBut I said it first. :-P12:11
ograpitti, oooh, that was a merge error, i had already dropped libgl1-mesa-dri before ...12:11
ogratimestamp: Tue 2007-06-05 14:23:24 +020012:12
ogra  drop uneccesary libgl1-mesa-dri from EARLY_PACKAGES, libgl1-mesa-glx replaces it12:12
seb128pitti: I just did an upload12:12
pittiogra: cool12:12
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pittimvo: what's the current word on bug #121456?12:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12145612:20
pittiyay -changes@!!12:21
pittiogra: hm, I take it it was actually you and not mdz who uploaded ltsp? the From: is from Matt12:21
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pittigpg is from ogra at least12:22
mvopitti: looking12:22
ograpitti, he owns the maintainer field still12:22
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pittiogra: right, but From: should be from Changed-By:, not Maintainer:12:22
pittiogra: has that always been like that?12:23
ograjust now12:23
seb128pitti: you are a launchpad hacker now then? ;)12:23
pittiseb128: erm, no :)12:23
pittiheh, and seb128's totem upload is From: Ubuntu Desktop Team <ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com> now12:24
pittibut that's better than nothing12:24
ografun :)12:24
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mdzogra: I haven't touched the package in ages; maintainer should be updated12:26
Fujitsupitti: It has been sending from Maintainer for some days now... I've seen a few rejected emails to various lists.12:27
pittisoyuz bug filed12:28
pittihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/122086 FYI12:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122086 in soyuz "From: header in -changes@ mails are wrong" [Undecided,New]  12:28
FujitsuWhat broke everything?12:28
FujitsuThanks pitti.12:28
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ogramdz, oki, i'll update it in the next upload12:29
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pygimorning sivang 12:38
sivanghey pygi 12:38
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sivanganybody managed to talk / chat / etc to smurf  ?12:41
pittiasac: bug 119814 is marked for tribe-2, but I wouldn't call it a release blocker; do you plan a  firefox upload anyway for tribe-2 or shall we move this?12:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119814 in firefox "/usr/share/doc/firefox/MPL missing in gutsy package" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11981412:41
sivangI need either him or someone else for some DNS changes for the ubuntu-il site12:42
sivang(I think the DNS the provides us services is somewhat related to the EU cluster of loco teams)12:42
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asacpitti: i already prepared a cherry-picked upload that for tribe-2 that fixes 2 important issues and adds an apport hook :)12:43
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asacpitti: one of the important issues is MPL12:43
pittiasac: yay apport hook12:43
asacpitti: so yes ... will upload as soon as i verified that the build is good12:43
pittiasac: I have this on my TODO list:12:43
pygio no, apport again xD12:43
asacpitti: we have a pretty cool apport hook12:43
pittiadd firefox apport hook to suppress crash reports when restart is12:43
pittinecessary, and to not file crashes with flash installed12:43
asachilario wrote one that gathers lots of information from firefox profile12:44
asacabout plugins/extensions12:44
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pittiasac: sounds great12:44
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pittipygi: it's not yet enabled by default (kernel is still broken)12:44
pygias long as it's not enabled xD12:44
Fujitsusivang: #ubuntu-locoteams?12:44
sivangFujitsu: why thank you12:44
asacpitti: hehe ... i think we should just refuse all crash reports .)12:44
pittiasac: I do like the idea of setting UnsupportableReason: when the flash plugin is installed12:45
pittiasac: did you implement this as well?12:45
asacpitti: i saw that you managed to auto-dupe a gnash crash ... when will auto-dupe detection be enabled for ffox?12:45
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pittiasac: dupe detection is not restricted to particular packages12:45
pittiasac: it runs for all newly filed signal and Python crashes12:46
asacpitti: ah cool12:46
asacpitti: so can we turn crash submission on again?12:46
pittiasac: the macromedia flash plugin of course, not the gnash one12:46
FujitsuDoes it file them privately, retrace automatically, etc?12:46
pittiasac: no, due to bug 119267; we need a new kernel first12:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119267 in linux-source-2.6.22 "apport patches for CORE_REAL_RLIM and limit overriding do not work any more" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11926712:46
asacpitti: what is this Unsupportable feature about? ... adding a report called 'UnsupportableReason' ?12:47
pittiasac: also, I'd like to find some time to implement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting; we now have the LP infrastructure for that12:47
pittiasac: see /usr/share/doc/apport/package-hooks.txt12:47
asacpitti: will look thanks12:47
pittiasac: /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/usplash.py is an example for UnreportableReason:, that works similarly12:48
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asacpitti: how RCritical do you consider the network-manager bugs ... i have looked into what latest merge did ... and Tonio_ apparently dropped lots of patches ... not only those that are now in patches-not-applied.12:51
pittiasac: if we can fix at least some of them, that would be nice12:52
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coNPHey, Mithrandir can you please have a look at my Openbox / Obconf packages?  (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5589, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5569)12:52
pittiasac: I don't have an internet connection after booting right now, and it breaks people's WEP/WPA with keyring (bug 121605)12:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121605 in network-manager-applet "(gutsy]  segfault on joining secure network" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12160512:53
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pittiasac: the patch which makes n-m ignore statically configured devices is really important IMHO12:53
asacpitti: i will resurrect as much patches as possible ... from what i see there should be hardly anything working at all12:53
ograerr, yes, thats somewhat essential for edubutu12:53
asacpitti: for instance 05-debian_backend.patch was completely dropped just because the first hunk was applied upstream12:54
MithrandircoNP: no, sorry, I don't have the time for it right now.  I'm fine with you finding a MOTU and getting the upload through a regular sponsor12:54
pittiasac: right, it's pretty much back to the "I grab eeeeeverything" upstream state12:54
pittiasac: erk12:54
coNPMithrandir: okay, thanks12:54
pittiasac: if you could look into that, it would be great; I don't dare to throw this at people12:55
asacpitti: yeah ... i will see how far i get ... i am now at resurrecting 13-rml-wpa-workarounds.patch12:55
Fujitsuseb128: Was that glib2.0 change fixing the *mm breakage? The changelog looks rather truncated.12:56
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seb128Fujitsu: what is truncated?12:58
Fujitsu   * Update the serie12:58
seb128Fujitsu: the patch added to 2.13.5-0ubuntu2 fixes the ABI breakage12:58
FujitsuThat's all that's there.12:58
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seb128right, the patch serie was not updated so the patch was not used12:59
seb128this upload makes the patch being applied12:59
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Keybukyou mean "serial" or "series", right?01:09
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seb128Keybuk: debian/patches/series01:10
FujitsuKeybuk: 'tis what I presume.01:10
FujitsuAha, series. Not serie01:10
seb128serie, series01:10
Fujitsuseries is the singular. I love English.01:10
seb128well, that's a typo01:11
mvo_seb128: what upload (sorry, missed the first bit got disconnected - but I have not given up hope *yet* that my connection might get fixed today)01:11
seb128I just wanted to upload the change, not to discuss the changelog entry on IRC for half an hour01:12
seb128shame that -changes is fixed :p01:12
StevenKHeh. Ask the Launchpad guys, they could unfix it. :-P01:12
seb128mvo_: glib2.0, I made a typo when writting "series" which seems to confuse Fujitsu ;)01:12
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Fujitsuseb128: Well, I hadn't seen the previous change, so it seemed pretty random.01:13
seb128Fujitsu: read the changelog first, ping people on IRC then is usually a good way to do thing ;)01:13
seb128though I admit the changelog entry is not really verbose01:14
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seb128mvo_: let me know when you try the new gnome-session if it activates compiz by default correctly for you01:16
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Keybukseb128: \o/01:17
mvo_seb128: its not in the archive yet, but when it is, I will01:17
seb128k, lunch time then, bbl01:18
pittimmm, lunch, me too01:19
fabbionepitti: libept did build fine all around... i guess we just need to wait the next update for gutsy_probs01:21
fabbioneOR there is something more blowing up now01:21
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pygidholbach, should we get andvare packaged? :)01:24
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KeybukI think -changes has broken again01:25
dholbachpygi: you said in the blog comment, that you'd do it, no?01:25
pygidholbach, right :)01:25
dholbachdo it :)01:25
pygiunderstood sir :)01:25
pygiergh, you're tracking me01:26
pygibad sign :P01:26
dholbachno, not at all01:26
dholbachI just did a comment on that page too01:26
pygiI saw, yes :P01:26
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pygioki, well, this week then ^_^01:27
awkhello, just wondering out of intrest the situation with asterisk (bristuff) I see that on Feisty it's using version 1.2.16, and I know of BoF and DoS vulnerabilities with this version i'm wondering what way would I know if it has been patched or not?01:29
awkI do not know of any current patches for older version but yet only later releases to rectify this issue01:30
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Keybukmvo: animations plugin doesn't seem to be doing much01:33
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mvoKeybuk: let me look at it01:33
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pygihey jsgotangco 01:35
jsgotangcohi pygi01:35
ograuhmm, desktop-effects is bound into a capplet now ?01:36
ograso i cant have a desktop without the option ?01:36
Keybukmvo: I get an "Error: Couldn't load plugin 'animation'" in xsession errors01:36
Keybukogra: ?01:36
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ograKeybuk, enabling desktop-effects breaks on 99% of thin clients ... before i could just remove the desktop-effects package to prevent them shooting both of their feet01:37
Keybukogra: compiz would be a huge performance improvement for thin clients that have 3D-capable hardware01:38
ograbut if the UI element is inside a capplet i cqant easily remove the optiojn01:38
Keybuksince window moves, desktop changes, etc. wouldn't result in network traffic01:38
ograKeybuk, yes01:38
ograwe prove that in sevilla on the classmate01:38
ograits awesome01:38
KeybukI don't see why the option is a problem01:38
ograbut 99% of thin clients dont have 3D capable cards01:38
ograor are not supported by our drivers out of the boox i.e. vfia01:39
KeybukI still don't see why the option is a problem01:39
Keybukthey'll click the button and nothing will happen01:39
ogranot if they log in on the server inbetween and enable it there01:39
Keybuk(it shouldn't be a button anyway)01:39
ogra(if the server has a capable card)01:39
Keybukit's enabled by default01:40
ograif you log in afterwards on a thin client the system just locks up01:40
ograor if i enable it with a classmate as client and switch over to another one ....01:41
Keybukshouldn't lock up at all; clicking the button will disable compiz, so metacity will be used immediatley01:41
Keybukrather than being used after a hardware test01:41
ograyou cant click any button anymore01:41
ograit locks up if it starts compiz at login01:41
Keybukwhy does it lock up?01:42
ograno idea01:42
Keybukon what range of PCs?01:42
ograi usually doont care about compiz01:42
ograon all my clients i have 01:42
Keybuktest tribe 2 on them01:42
ogra~20 different models01:42
ograi wwwwwwill01:43
mjg59So fix the bug01:43
mjg59"This option breaks, so I would prefer to remove this option" isn't the development model we tend to follow :)01:43
Keybukcompiz is our default window manager01:43
Keybukif it locks up on all your clients, you're going to have a dull release ;)01:43
ogramjg59, for me the bug is that i asked on every conference we had to not enable any composite stuff by default and was always promised we wouldnt or at least have an oiption to prevent it ... sadly i didnt ask in sevilla again ad was to busy to grasp that you doomed me01:44
ogras/you/the effects team/01:44
mjg59ogra: You're not doomed.01:44
mjg59Just fix the bug.01:44
seb128mvo: small bug, if you enable compiz and it fallbacks to metacity the desktop effects tab indicates that compiz is being used which is wrong01:44
Keybukogra: if there are bugs, please help fix them01:45
ograi dont want to see an option to enable composite at all 01:45
Keybukogra: it's an option to disable composite01:45
mvoogra: it should not anymore, we added a bunch of additonal tests. if you could test that with current comiz I would appreciate that01:45
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seb128ogra: the compiz wrapper makes test to know if compiz should be used or not, you could make it run metacity if LTSP_CLIENT is defined01:46
ogramvo, i'll upgrade everything here as soon as i got the new ltsp packages to test01:46
mvoseb128: aha, ok. I will check that out01:46
Keybukogra: your argument if flawed01:46
Keybukif compiz breaks on some hardware, we should fix that01:46
mvoogra: great, please do that. as I said, the wrapper script should be much better about detecting 01:46
ograseb128, thats what i thought first, but then it wouldnt even be optional anymore ... 01:46
Keybukthis is not a justification for removing the option to use, or not use, compositing01:46
Keybukespecially on something global like LTSP, given the massive performance improvements of *using* composite01:47
Keybukcompiz is *ideal* for LTSP, where the client hardware supports it01:47
seb128ogra: well, let's see how badly it breaks first, the wrapper only runs compiz now if all the required xorg options are detected as supported01:47
ograi suspect more and more composite capable clients in the future but they are simply not there yet01:47
ograso it should stay optional ...01:47
seb128ogra: it'll not run if your card doesn't do 3d, or has no composite, etc01:47
Keybukogra: where the client isn't capable, it should fallback to metacity automatically01:47
ograKeybuk, i'll test that01:48
Keybukogra: where that doesn't work, it is a bug that should be fixed01:48
mvoogra: if you could test that before tribe-2, that would greatly appreciated :) sorry, I can't do that myself as I don't have e.g. a via based machine01:49
ograits a charm on supported HW :) 01:49
ogramvo, yep, i have to do a lot of ltsp testing anyway, its on the list01:49
seb128grrr, apport bugs being b0rked due to linux01:52
seb128pitti: is a new linux package planned for tribe-2?01:52
pittiseb128: planned yes, it was promised for last weekend01:52
seb128ok, cool01:53
pittifabbione: yeah, I already gave back debtags, and now http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html is clean01:53
pittifabbione: thanks for your help01:53
seb128pitti: do you want me to change libgnome to force the dpi to 96?01:53
pittiseb128: I'm not sure about this any more01:53
pittiseb128: however, if DPI detection works correctly now, how come that the fonts are so small on 130 dpi? (last bug comment)01:54
pittiseb128: as I understood it, fonts should now be the same size on every DPI, shouldn't they?01:54
seb128I'm not sure, all that is pretty confusing01:54
pittiso if you think that there's still something broken, we can do the 'fix 96 dpi' hack for tribe, but that's certainly not the final solution01:55
shawarmahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iptables/+bug/122090 is marked as a security issue. How can I get to see it?01:56
seb128I'll have an another look01:56
shawarmaAt 130 dpi fonts a likely to look smaller than people are used to.01:58
mdzshawarma: only the security team can see them (ubuntu-security)01:58
shawarmamdz: Ah, well. I suppose they'll fix it then :)01:58
mdzshawarma: kees and pitti01:58
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mdzshawarma: in this case, it's not a security vulnerability, so they should unflag it when they review it01:58
pittishawarma: I removed the private flag, you can see it now01:58
shawarmapitti: ta01:58
mdzpitti: you didn't remove the security flag, though I wouldn't classify this as a vulnerability01:59
pittishawarma: to be precise, it's the private flag that confines the bug to the subscribers; security just triggers ubuntu-security subscription and is useful for searching01:59
pittimdz: I left it because a non-functioning iptables is sort of security related01:59
mdzpitti: your call, but to me, sort-of doesn't count :-)02:00
shawarmapitti: Er.. Ok. I don't remember seeing two different check boxes..02:00
mdzif a bug in vi causes someone to mangle their firewall config and break their firewall, that isn't a security vulnerability either02:00
pittiright, but if someone upgrades to gutsy and suddenly loses the firewall, possibly even without noticing, that's our fault, not the one from the admin using vi02:02
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shawarma13:56 < crummygummy_> I didn't reallise it but shorewall didn't work for a whole weekend. I figure thats reason enough to call it a  security problem.02:05
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seb128Mithrandir: your comment about xdg-user-dirs is not really constructive, if you have documents not stored in random directories no default will ever suit you anyway02:09
seb128Mithrandir: the fileselector, libraries, etc have to point to one directory02:09
Mithrandirseb128: my point is the model is wrong.02:09
seb128well, there is no "model"02:09
seb128at the moment those applications open an hardcoded location02:10
seb128or your user directory02:10
Mithrandirsure there is, there's a model of storing all your images together, all your downloads together, etc.02:10
seb128xdg-user-dirs just allow you do customize that if you want02:10
seb128well, it's nothing new nor due to xdg-user-dirs02:10
Mithrandirand not working in that model is a pain.02:10
Mithrandirsure there is, since stuff could easily default to where you are currently working, for instance.02:11
Mithrandirseb128: and my point about not creating the directories until they are asked for still holds.02:11
seb128that's a chicken-egg problem02:12
seb128users don't know about Templates if they have no location for them02:12
seb128but we should not create the directory before they start using it02:12
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pittiat least rmdir'ing the unused ones does the right thing02:13
seb128Mithrandir: and the locations don't mean your fileselector will not open on the current location02:14
Rumbahow do i get a list of _all_ packages that are _marked_ as autoremovable (i.e. not just those ones that are _currently_ removable)?02:14
seb128but it means that the rhythmbox library option default to Music which you can customize02:14
pitti/home/martin/Videos was removed, reassigning VIDEOS to homedir02:14
pittiat least it doesn't keep creating the directories :)02:14
seb128and that you have a Video bookmark in the totem file selector02:14
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seb128pitti: right, it's easy enough to remove them if you want02:15
seb128and it doesn't create them for existant users02:15
pittiseb128: it did create the directory for me02:15
pittijust on upgrade, with existing user02:16
seb128hum, it didn't do it for me02:16
seb128it didn't add the bookmarks though, did it?02:16
pittino, it didn't02:16
seb128oh, another topic02:17
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seb128evolution can use bogofilter now02:17
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seb128what people think about adding bogofilter to the default installation?02:17
pittiseb128: small enough02:18
seb128pitti: want to do it for tribe-2 or after that?02:19
pittiseb128: if it doesn't completely break evolution, we can do it today, but that requires another seed change and ubuntu-meta upload02:19
seb128it should not break anything but there is no hurry neither02:20
pittiseb128: it's not critical path in any way, so if you want, go ahead02:20
seb128k, doing it then02:20
seb128let's get some cool testing with tribe-2 ;)02:20
pitticritical path is still kernel, but if we don't get one today, we'll go with -6.1302:21
Mithrandirseb128: oh, and it doesn't respect the Desktop setting I've already done in Nautilus.02:21
pittioh, indeed, it created another Desktop folder for me, too02:21
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seb128Mithrandir: how so?02:22
Mithrandirseb128: my ~ is my Desktop, so it should have picked that up.02:22
seb128ah, right02:22
seb128where do you notice the bug?02:22
seb128app have special code to handle the desktop case02:22
MithrandirI get a Desktop directory in ~ when I log in, which I used not to have02:22
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seb128Mithrandir: please open a bug on xdg-user-dirs-gtk about this one02:23
Rumbahow do i get a list of _all_ packages that are _marked_ as autoremovable (i.e. not just those ones that are _currently_ removable)?02:24
seb128Rumba: what do you mean "currently"?02:24
seb128apt-get autoremove02:24
pittiRumba: question for mvo02:24
pittiseb128: that doesn't list all packages which are 'auto-installed'02:25
seb128ah, ok02:25
seb128I didn't understand the question02:25
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Rumbaseb128: there is a set of packages that are marked as auto-uninstallable (or auto-installed), a part of which are "currently" non-uninstallable (because they are needed by other packages). how do i get their list?02:27
Rumbamvo: you there?02:27
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Mithrandirseb128: do you know why user-dirs.locale refers to locale I haven't used in years on this machine?02:28
mvoRumba: you can setup a custom filter in synaptic to do this02:28
Rumbaseb128: is my question clearer now?02:28
pittimvo: compiz & friends are now in anastacia, because desktop-effects is not in desktop any more; they need to be seeded explicitly now, and put into desktop02:28
mvoRumba: go to settings/filters, create a new one and select "automatic install" in the status tab02:29
seb128Rumba: yes02:29
pittimvo: the current CDs don't even ship compiz any more because of that02:29
StevenKDoes gnome-c-c deal and not show the Appearance tab if compiz and friends are not installed?02:29
mvopitti: ok, will update the seeds now02:29
Rumbamvo: i already tried that.... :(02:30
seb128Mithrandir: what do you use for LC_MESSAGES?02:30
Mithrandirthe file refers to nb_NO02:31
mvoRumba: and that does not work for you?02:31
mvoRumba: works nicely for me here02:32
seb128Mithrandir: right, it strips UTF-8, the encoding is specific in  /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf02:32
seb128Mithrandir: or ~/.config/users-dirs.conf02:32
Rumbamvo: so i checked "automatic install" (with or without "installed" at the same time) and i also see uninstalled packages in the custom filter02:33
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Mithrandirseb128: so what would it say if I actually used nb_NO?02:33
TreenaksBenC: I think thinkgeek are selling a "voip phone" like the one I gave you now: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/avcards/8837/02:33
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Rumbamvo: which boxes did you check?02:33
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mvoRumba: seeing uninstalled ones is ok, that is not a bug, more of a undesired side-effect. I have a patch ready for this, but it will do no harm02:34
seb128Mithrandir: I'm not sure that the non-UTF8 case is handled correctly, I'll have to check02:34
seb128Mithrandir: it should write that you use an ISO-8859-something encoding02:34
seb128not sure if it does, I didn't try02:34
Rumbamvo: now, is there any way to produce this exact list in the console?02:35
Mithrandirseb128: well, the nb_NO locale is latin1, so that's kinda implied by the locale.  Wouldn't it then be better to write out nb_NO.UTF-8 and have filename_encoding=locale in /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf ?02:35
Rumbamvo: or, alternatively, is it possible to get a list of manually installed packages only?02:35
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pygihya Hobbsee 02:36
pygiHobbsee, closed like 6 k3b bugs more, but we've got some serious problems with that package :(02:36
mvoRumba: the information is stored in /var/lib/apt/extended_states, you should be able to get it from there 02:37
Rumbamvo: also, any idea why a "manually installed" checkbox isn't available for custom filters?02:37
mvoRumba: what do you plan to do with it? is there some bug hiding somewhere that you chase?02:37
pittimvo: will you do an ubuntu-meta upload? or shall I?02:38
seb128Mithrandir: I'm not sure if would be better, if the current way work .... I'll check with alex why he did it this way02:38
BenCTreenaks: ah, cool02:38
mvoRumba: most likely because it was not written02:38
Rumbamvo: well, rather some feature missing02:38
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Rumbamvo: read my last question for that02:38
Mithrandirseb128: not if you use legacy encodings.02:38
mvopitti: I don't mind, but I haven't touched the seeds yet02:38
Rumbamvo: is it hard to write it?02:38
mvoRumba: no02:38
Hobbseehey all02:38
Hobbseepygi: yay.  oh, how so?02:38
seb128Mithrandir: if the encoding is correctly specific what is the problem?02:38
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seb128you just have to have the locale, encoding combinaison correctly set02:39
pygiHobbsee, most patches in there don't work (i.e. broken or stuff) and I don't like the packaging02:39
Mithrandirseb128: it's not.  It just happens to be correct since I am the only user on this system.02:39
Hobbseepygi: are these patches from us, or debian?02:39
Hobbseemvo: please see the critical bug assigned to you, if you havent already done so.  it's blocking kubuntu tribe 202:39
Hobbseemvo: (adept breaking)02:39
seb128Mithrandir: well, you can have a ~/.config/users-dirs.conf with an encoding for your user02:40
pygiHobbsee, it says "kubuntu", but they are almost 99% sure merged from debian packages02:40
pygiHobbsee, that doesn't change the fact that they don't work :P02:40
Rumbamvo: COOL! and aptitude must use /var/lib/apt/extended_states too02:40
pygiHobbsee, lemme forward you a mail I sent to tonio and sealne yesterday02:40
pygiHobbsee, sent, please read ^_^02:41
mvoRumba: that is not yet merged, but aptitude upstream said its ready, I will have a look very soon, but help is very welcome :) just check the latest debian packages or the darcs repository of apitutde02:41
mvopitti: seed updated02:42
Hobbseepygi: oh of cousre - but if they're debian's patches, then we should ensure that we tell them that they're stuffed.02:42
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mvoHobbsee: I have seen it, but haven't done anything about it yet02:42
pygiHobbsee, sure, but read the mail ^_^02:42
pittiHobbsee: congratulations!02:42
Hobbseemvo: okay02:42
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Rumbamvo: any chance we got it in gutsy if really ready, as they say?02:42
Hobbseepitti: thanks.  all i learned about electronics was a) how much of it i dont understand, b) how much i hate it.02:42
pittiHobbsee: red is blue and plus is minus02:43
Hobbseepitti: of course.02:43
Mithrandirseb128: I think that's a wrong approach to the problem, but there are limits to how much I'm caring to discuss the problem.  I've fixed it for me and hopefully won't see more of it.02:43
mvoRumba: yes, a very good chance02:43
pygiHobbsee, there are patches to most of the problems that users encounter (read: most) but they just don't seem to work02:43
seb128Mithrandir: I keep it on my list of things to look at before gutsy02:43
Hobbseepygi: bah.  just change it to cdbs02:43
Hobbseepygi: right, yeah.02:44
pygiHobbsee, I wanted to change entire package, yes :)02:44
Hobbseepygi: it's a main package, so it's not going to get forgottena bout02:44
pygiHobbsee, but dunno how much people will hate me, because we'd diverge from debian a lot then02:44
Mithrandirseb128: I'll be happy to give inputs on it if you want it, but it feels like I'm not coming across well, so I don't see a big point of it.02:44
StevenKIt's still expensive to maintain a large diff.02:44
seb128Mithrandir: I didn't wrote the thing, it has been done by alex for FC7 and started being used by GNOME02:44
pygiHobbsee, xfburn is main package as well, so it doesn't work :P02:44
Mithrandirseb128: oh sure, nothing personal. :-)02:44
Hobbseepygi: i'd prefer a working package, rather than a small diff.02:44
pygiStevenK, true ... but if it gets us a nice and maintainable package ...02:44
StevenKThere a tradeoff.02:45
Hobbseepygi: if anything, we can just never sync it, and just take debian's patches.02:45
StevenKThere is, sigh02:45
fabbionepitti: no problem at all02:45
pygiHobbsee, that was my intention02:45
Hobbseepygi: then again, maybe debian is open to changing their package02:45
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pygiHobbsee, that's less likely, but ...02:45
Hobbseepygi: worht trying02:45
Hobbseepygi: if they say "no" to our fork of the packaging, then thye cant really go "but they didnt tell us!"02:45
pygiHobbsee, lemme see if they have 1.0.202:45
seb128Mithrandir: that's not that "you are not coming across well", I just didn't look at the code much so I've no good reply on why the locale is stored this way yet ;)02:45
seb128Mithrandir: I agree that flooding the user dir with new directories is not nice02:46
pygiHobbsee, if they have 1.0.2 lets sync debian packaging, and see what can we do out of it02:46
Mithrandirseb128: ok. :-)02:46
pygiif it still remains un-maintainable at that state, we could just "fork"02:46
seb128adding bookmarks and using it for default libraries location, etc should be fine though02:46
pygiHobbsee, I completely took over brasero for ubuntu, debian packages are bad02:46
StevenKpygi: No bug reports in the Debian BTS about that?02:47
pygiStevenK, I'm gonna look over it now02:47
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seb128mvo: are you going to merge your change to other seeds? ;)02:48
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seb128mvo: just to know if I can be lazy and let you merge the bogofilter change as well :p02:48
pygiHobbsee, no new upstream version in debian yet02:49
pygiStevenK, no reports in Debian BTS02:49
pygiwhich is weird02:49
pittiseb128: don't push too much stuff on mvo, he's still my slave for bug 121456 :)02:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12145602:49
mvoseb128: hm, I think only edubuntu would need merging for my compiz change, no?02:49
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seb128mvo: you need to do merge on all seeds to keep them "uptodate"02:50
StevenKmvo: Heh02:50
seb128even if there is nothing to merge02:50
pittimvo: it eventually needs to be merged to all seeds (resulting in empty changeset for kubuntu and xubuntu, of course)02:50
pygiStevenK, Hobbsee : lemme fetch the debian source package02:50
Hobbseepygi: right.  cool02:50
mvoright, it used to be the derived distro people that did that (at least that was my understanding)02:50
pygithis k3b will make me insane :-D02:50
Hobbseepygi: heh.  all burning makes you insane.02:51
pygiHobbsee, not true02:51
pygialthough it could be argued whetever I'm the right person to say that :P02:51
Hobbseeah yes, i should do seed-stuff, now that exams are over.02:52
seb128mvo: if you update ubuntu-meta makes sure you have the bogofilter change also02:52
pygiHobbsee, great, debian doesn't even have patches/02:53
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StevenKpygi: I just did a rebuild of k3b. It scares me.02:53
pygiStevenK, ubuntu package? I knoow02:53
pygiI'm trying to fix that mess :-/02:54
StevenKMy mess?02:54
StevenKI didn't think I caused any.02:54
mvoKeybuk: animation plugin breakage should be fixed now (just uploaded)02:55
pygiStevenK, I didn't say it was your mess02:55
pygiStevenK, where did you saw me stating that? :P02:55
Hobbseepygi: haha.  mess must be fixed, then.02:55
pygiHobbsee, debian seems to ship 0 patches02:56
Hobbseepygi: yummy.  then throw all of our bad ones out, and fix the package :)02:56
pygiwe ship thousands, and most don't work02:56
pygiright, debian does use native packaging02:56
pygithey have patches in .diff.gz it seems02:57
StevenKThat's native patching, not packaging.02:57
pygiyes, that one :P02:57
StevenKNative packaging involves no .diff.gz.02:57
Hobbseewhere is bdmurray?02:57
pygifound one patch so far inside, and that one is working :)02:57
pygiStevenK, yea, sorry02:57
pygiStevenK, I messed up the naming ^_^02:57
pygiHobbsee, debian also patched k3b source to look  for cdrskin02:58
pygithat's second patch I can find02:58
Hobbseepygi: right02:58
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pygiHobbsee, yay, much less patching, and works better03:00
pygirock on!03:00
pygistill not pretty packaging, and I don't like that way of patching but meh ...03:00
Hobbseepygi: heh.  fix it :)03:01
Hobbseepygi: if it's dodgy...03:01
pygiHobbsee, but how? I can't do anything without tonio and sealne approval03:01
pygithey are the last folks who touched the package03:01
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pygiand not sure how good is the idea to change entire package so late in the process03:02
pygii.e. it can't be ready before tribe 3 at least03:02
Hobbseepygi: there's no reason it needs to be done by herd 2.   i'm not sure what sealne will say, but i dont think tonio_ will mind.  especially if you're proposing to add a proper patch system, adn clena it up.  they're not stupid03:02
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pygiHobbsee, our (ubuntu) package has proper patch system, but packaging is mostly from debian (with minor improvements), and patches don't seem to work03:03
Hobbseepygi: right03:04
pygioh well, I'll just create a new package, so people can argue if they want03:04
pygiwe can see about uploading it or not later03:04
Hobbseei'd appreciate that, thanks03:04
Hobbseepygi: poek me when you want someone to look it over, and sponsor03:04
Mithrandirpitti: any idea why there doesn't appear to be any xserver-xephyr debug symbols available?03:05
pygiHobbsee, yes, after exams03:05
Hobbseepygi: no problem03:05
pygimmhm, I hate when we have to do such stuff, but oh well03:06
pygiwe did it with brasero, we can do it with this as well03:06
pygiHobbsee, for example you remember that normalize thingy, and that cdrecord suid thingy?03:07
pygiwe have patches for both in the package. go figure03:07
Hobbseepygi: heh.  oookay03:07
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mvoHobbsee: debtags breakage seems to be the reason for the error03:09
mvoHobbsee: not the new apt03:09
pygimvo, I thought we rebuilded proper debtags?03:10
Hobbseemvo: yummy.03:10
pygio well03:10
Hobbseemvo: which seems to be a Riddell thing?03:10
mvoenrico: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27118/ <- any idea what causes this? we get it when adept_manager is run 03:10
persiaArchive Admins: there is currently a discussion on ubuntu-motu@l.u.c about the xinetd license.  In summary, the COPYRIGHT file requires that authors of modified versions have their name noted in the COPYRIGHT file for distribution.  Is this a known dead issue, or should there be a patch to /COPYRIGHT in the packaging to comply with this requirement?03:11
mvoHobbsee: well, it looks like the new debtags changed some bits, see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27118/ for the error message03:11
mvoseb128, pitti: if a ubuntu-meta upload is still required, I can do that now03:12
Hobbseemvo: right.  will poke Riddell over it.03:12
pittimvo: please go ahead, thanks03:12
mvoHobbsee: Riddell and enrico know best about debtags (especially enrico, he is the mastermind behind it :)03:13
Riddellwell, I don't know all that much about it03:13
Hobbseemvo: right.  i dont know enrico, but it doesnt look like he's around.03:13
Riddellmvo: how do you get that error?03:13
mvoRiddell: I used gdb and changed the exception thing so that it has no catch-all at the end03:14
pittiMithrandir: hm, curious; it must have gotten lost in the cronjobs which fetch the dbgsyms from the buildds; way too often, rookery cannot connect to them, and I get cron mails03:14
mvoRiddell: lets wait a bit for the input of enrico03:14
Riddellmvo: gdb on adept or debtags?03:15
Mithrandirpitti: any way to recover or should I just build it myself?03:15
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pittiMithrandir: when it was built less than 7 days ago, I can recover03:15
mvoRiddell: gdb on adept_manager. I suspect strongly that the new debtags is incompatible with the old copy of the code in libaptfront that adept uses :/03:16
Mithrandirpitti: it wasn't.  Oh well, I'll just rebuild03:17
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mvopitti, cjwatson: ubuntu-meta gives me lots of removals from minimal (e.g. bash, bsdutils, ... full list at: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27126/). is that expected? (generated with germinate 0.27)03:31
pittimvo: minimal was recently split, there is essential now03:32
pittimvo: erm, not essential, I mean 'required'03:32
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StevenKpitti: So now there's eight seeds?03:33
pittimvo: so I *think* those removals are ok, since they are bootstrapped and its hard to remove them anyway03:33
pittimvo: cjwatson is not available today, btw03:33
mvopitti: ok, happy to upload then03:33
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pittimvo: wait03:38
pittimvo: please don't upload ubuntu1 versions, that looks weird03:39
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mvopitti: too late :(03:41
pittiwell, nevermind03:42
pittiBenC: just for coordinating tribe-2, is there an upload in the pipe now? if not, then we should just go with the current kernel, I figure03:42
BenCpitti: Not yet, but will be in a few hours03:44
BenCpitti: should have plenty of time03:44
pittiBenC: plenty of time> that only applies to the case of not having to do another upload to fix regressions :)03:45
BenCpitti: this upload is pretty tight, plus it fixes apport among other things :)03:46
BenCpitti: really need this in, unless we want tribe-2 to have the same kernel as tribe-103:46
pittiBenC: tight> ah, just cherrypicks?03:46
BenCpitti: mostly just update to latest, -rc503:46
fabbionewe want rc503:47
pittiI don't really want the current one for tribe2 either, but anything that isn't in the archive today can't make it03:47
seb128and we want apport working also03:50
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Hobbseepitti: that's dependent on your definition of today.03:51
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mvoseb128: gnome-session change works nicely here for me :)03:59
seb128mvo: good ;)03:59
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BenCpitti: 2.6.22-7.14 uploaded, so may need processing soon (ABI bump)04:47
pittiBenC: ah, thanks; I'll watch out for it04:47
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pittihey cjwatson_ 04:49
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sabdflhey pitti04:51
Hobbseemorning london-type people04:51
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tkamppeterpitti, ping05:08
pittihi tkamppeter 05:08
tkamppeterhi pitti05:08
tkamppeterI have a problem with the Tribe 2 build of foo2zjs. It builds on all except 64-bit05:09
tkamppeterOn 64-bit it breaks on groff segfaulting when trying to make a PDF of all man pages.05:10
tkamppeterGo to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8186699/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-ia64.foo2zjs_20061224-3ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz05:10
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tkamppeterand search for "Segmentation Fault".05:11
pittitkamppeter: that doesn't tell us why it segfaulted, so no idea05:12
tkamppeterWhat to do in such a case? The package has built on 64-bit before and it build on Debian. Therefore I do not want to exclude the manual.pdf from the package.05:12
dholbachbest to try to reproduce the crash locally and debug it :-/05:13
pittitkamppeter: I gave back the package on ia64, maybe it was just a temporary glitch (no reason to believe that, bug let's try :) )05:15
pittitkamppeter: if it fails again, this needs to be examined on an actual ia64 machine05:15
pittitkamppeter: for now, the world won't end if foo2zjs isn't current on an unsupported architecture :)05:15
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nxvl_hi all05:20
nxvl_pitti: hi!05:20
pittihi nxvl05:23
pittidholbach: oh dear, rebuilding the world?05:24
pittidholbach: I thought that was confined to gtkmm, not to everything linking to glib??05:24
Hobbseepitti: just the world.   not the universe.05:25
dholbachpitti: no, not everything linking to glib05:25
dholbachpitti: but the ABI breakage was due to glib05:25
seb128pitti: only whatever has been built during the glib breakage needs to be rebuilt05:25
dholbachpitti: I rebuilt all the c++ packages that have been built since the broken glib05:25
seb128pitti: the think is that dholbach did a round of non required rebuilds this morning when the glib fix was not working05:26
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seb128so an another round is required to undo this one now ;)05:26
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pittiI see; I didn't see the first wave, we didn't have -changes then yet05:26
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nxvl_is there any way in launchpad to filter bugs/proyects by lenguage as in "programs writen in ruby"05:30
tkamppeterpitti, the 64-bit build of foo2zjs failed again. So there is a definitive bug.05:30
BenCanyone else start getting this with latest gutsy and vmware ws6:05:31
BenC/usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libvmwareui.so.0/libvmwareui.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZN4Glib9ValueBase4initEm05:31
siretartBenC: translation to c++: undefined symbol: Glib::ValueBase::init(unsigned long)05:32
seb128BenC: that should be fixed when the gtkmm stack is rebuilt05:32
BenCseb128: any idea when that will be or if I can get pre deb of it?05:33
seb128BenC: that's the rebuilds we were just speaking about05:33
seb128BenC: I think dholbach already uploaded the packages that need a rebuild05:33
seb128so like 1 hour05:33
BenCseb128: sweet, thanks05:33
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evandseb128: can you take a look at 122141 when you have a chance?05:37
seb128bug #12214105:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122141 in gtk+2.0 "SIGSEGV in gtk.Button.set_image" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12214105:37
seb128evand: having a small code example would be nice05:39
evandwill do05:39
seb128does it happen every time?05:40
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evandwith the feisty version as well05:40
evandit started recently, within a week or so05:41
evand(by feisty version I mean installing the feisty version in a gutsy environment, not using feisty's gtk)05:41
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seb128evand: that's like due to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43728105:42
ubotuGnome bug 437281 in gtk "gtk_button_set_image destroyes the old image" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  05:42
pittimdz, Keybuk: can one of you please ack the addition of ubuntu-core-dev to the ubuntu-crashes-main team, and ubuntu-dev to ubuntu-crashes-universe? this is for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting05:43
seb128evand: is that a tribe-2 ubiquity blocker?05:43
Keybukpitti: that team won't be subscribed to any bugs, or report any bugs, etc.?05:44
Keybuk(or have any assigned to it?)05:44
Keybukand s/ubuntu-dev/motu/05:44
pittiKeybuk: it will be subscribed to all crash bugs, but not get bug mail05:44
evandseb128: yeah, it wont start without it05:44
Keybukpitti: why won't it get bug mail?05:44
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pittiKeybuk: I set a bogus contact address (does@not.exist)05:45
mdzpitti: we have nobody@ubuntu.com for that05:45
Keybukpitti: will that prevent members of that team getting bug mail?05:45
pittiKeybuk: according to BjornT, yes05:45
Keybuk(even if subscribed separately)05:45
pittimdz: I'm happy to use that as well05:45
Keybukafaik, this will prevent bug mail to any developer for these bugs05:45
Keybukeven if it's assigned to them, etc.05:45
mdzKeybuk: that's not my understanding05:45
pittithat would be weird05:46
mdzit's just used in place of (set of member email addresses) for mail to the team05:46
pittiit's just yet another subscriber to a bug05:46
Keybukright, but malone dedups bug mails if you're a member of a team subscribed, no?05:46
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mvo_pitti: if ubuntu-meta is in and compiz is on the CD again, could you roll images?05:47
mvo_I would love to do a test of it tonight on various machines05:47
pittiKeybuk: I'll try this out once the team is added, just to be sure05:47
pittimvo_: I can do that, yes05:47
mvo_pitti: thanks, that would rock!05:48
Keybukmvo_, infinity: why is compiz-fusion-plugins-main in dep-wait?05:48
pittimvo_: erk, ubuntu-meta is in depwait05:48
pittiMissing Dependencies:  germinate (>= 0.28)05:48
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pittimvo_: did you change that dependency?05:49
mvo_pitti: no, I did not05:49
Keybukpitti: I'm seeing all sorts of strange "does not exist" reports from the buildd05:49
Keybuknone of them make sense05:49
pittiwe only have germinate 0.27 in the archive05:49
Keybuk(that one may make sense :p)05:49
mvo_pitti: compiz-fusion-plugins is depwait on compiz-bcop (that one is not prompted to main yet it seems)05:50
mvo_^--- Keybuk05:50
pitti<BjornT> pitti: yes, other subscribers will get bug mail.  <= mdz, Keybuk; anyway, I'll test this thoroughly before I flip this switch05:50
mvo_pitti: this must be colins upload from saturday then, let me check that theory05:50
Keybuk^ Colin changed the version05:50
mvo_unfortunately 0.28 is not in bzr too :/05:51
mvo_at least in the launchpad published branch05:51
pittimvo_: 'upload from Saturday'?05:51
Keybukpitti: 1.47, see url05:52
pittiah, of ubuntu-meta, not germiante05:52
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pittiargh, so it's probably on Colin's local laptop branch or so, and he's still travelling05:53
Keybukhas he escaped Edinburgh now?05:54
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pittimvo_: you reverted the ubuntu-minimal changes?06:00
mvo_pitti: yes06:00
pittimvo_: to work around the germinate requirement?06:00
mvo_pitti: yes06:00
pittiHobbsee: ^ FYI, I think that might affect kubuntu-meta, too06:01
mvo_pitti: but I did not change the b-d (didn't noticed that chnage)06:01
pittimvo_: so if you upload again anyway, can you please un-ubuntu the version number?06:01
ogramvo_, hmm, no compiy at all anzmore on thin clients, not even on the intel HW06:01
Keybukdch -U is your friend :p06:01
Riddellpitti, Hobbsee: merging06:02
pittiKeybuk: right, but that needs to be put into germinate-update-metapackage06:02
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pittiRiddell: merging what?06:02
mvo_ogra: ok, but no crashes/hangs too ?06:02
Hobbseepitti: kubuntu seeds, i expect06:02
ogramvo_, nope06:02
Riddellpitti: if there was a change to minimal?06:02
pittiRiddell: hm, they have been merged only some hours ago06:02
pittiRiddell: cjwatson split off 'required' from minimal06:03
pittibut removing those from the metapackages shuold be fine06:03
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ogramvo_, i'D like to find out why it stopped working though ... but that can happen after tribe206:03
pittiafter all, essential and prio: reuqired packages cannot easily be uninstalled anyway06:03
pittibbl, dinner06:04
mvo_ogra: sure. if you could put the .xsession-errors file somewhere I can have a look. its quite verbose currently06:04
nxvl_again my irc client closes up :S06:04
ogramvo_, well, i rather think its X 06:04
ograglxgears stopped working as well06:04
nxvl_is there any way in LP to filter programas, bugs or proyects by language? as in "bugs of apps writen in ruby"06:05
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superm1_Mithrandir, i wanted to ping you about a few things stuck in NEW yet.06:05
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superm1_Mithrandir, in edgy, mythtv (source) has been in it since 2007-05-03, and in gutsy libhdhomeun (source)06:06
superm1_er actually in edgy its a binary it looks like, because ppc and amd64 made it partly through06:06
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enricomvo_: I've read the backlog.  Oh, damn!  I changed the index file format and I totally forgot about adept06:10
Keybukpitti: err, ok, I'm confused06:10
Keybukyou've made ubuntu-core-dev a member of ubuntu-crashes-main06:10
Keybukdidn't you want that the other way around?06:11
Keybukoh, maybe not06:11
KeybukI can't see how to allow that though06:11
Keybukand you don't want ubuntu-dev, you want motu, no?06:11
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Hobbseeer....where are the binaries for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-setup/1:0.21ubuntu1 - it doesnt seem to be stuck in the NEW queue, but doesnt seem to be in the archive either.06:12
pygiKeybuk, isn't ubuntu-dev = ubuntu-motu or something? o.o06:12
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Hobbseepygi: no, ubuntu-dev == motu + core06:13
Keybukahh, maybe you do want ubuntu-dev then to include ubuntu-core-dev06:13
Hobbseeoh wait.  maybe it is just motu06:13
HobbseeKeybuk: it does06:13
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Keybukpitti: why do you need me to do anything about it?  I can only approve new members to ubuntu-core-dev no?  you approve new members to ubuntu-crashes-main06:14
mvo_enrico: changed the format means that its very incompatible? so the easiest solbution for tribe-2 (thursday) maybe to revert back to the old debtags?06:15
Keybukpitti: ah, found the "show pending invitations" thing, and done06:16
Hobbseehooray, mail saying as such06:17
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[PSyKo] owned06:22
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gnomefreakHobbsee: +t maybe?06:23
Hobbsee[PSyKo] : that'd be your bot, wouldnt it?06:23
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[PSyKo] Uuuuh06:23
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sladenoh wow, what fun we're having06:23
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Hobbseesladen: of course :)06:23
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sladenis it coincidence that SEOmoz just pinged out then?06:24
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Hobbseesladen: not sure.06:24
Hobbseebah.  psyko, you're a moron06:25
Hobbseewhy should i unban you, if you think that bringing bots in is an acceptible practice, just to emphasise that there's a +t functionality.06:25
nxvl_is there any way in LP to filter programas, bugs or proyects by language? as in "bugs of apps writen in ruby"06:25
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Hobbseenxvl_: no idea06:26
ScottKnxvl_: For Python programs we have two teams for Main and Universe subscribed to all the Python programs.  I think that's the only approach that'd work right now.06:26
SEOmozsladen, , what ?06:27
persianxvl: Not at this time (packages do not have a language tag).06:27
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Hobbseesladen: i dont think SEOmoz is related.  the guy didnt get thrown off the network, anyway06:27
nxvl_ScottK: so in some way, i can only filter the python packages?06:29
SEOmozwell, if you are not sure of something just do not talk about in general, because that is not an ethical behavior. i would think that you blow down the gemel towers, and you do not have brain06:30
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ion_hobbsee: !#ubuntu-ops?06:31
HobbseeSEOmoz: it was a query, not an accusation.  calm down06:31
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Hobbseeion_: banforward06:31
ScottKnxvl_: Not exactly.  If you are a member of the teams you get bugmail on all the packages.  Dunno if you can do it or not, but if you can get LP to tell show bugs only from packages to which pythoneers is subcribed that'd give you all the Python package bugs in Man.06:31
SEOmozHobbsee, ok, just my point of view, sorry06:31
ion_hobbsee: Ah, ok. I wasnt familiar with that Freenode feature.06:31
nxvl_ScottK: ok i will see06:32
Hobbseeion_: :) it's usfeul06:32
ion_hobbsee: Yeah06:32
sladenSEOmoz: don't worry, if you scroll up you'll see the /topic change.  We were wondering what the root of it was;  and looked at the other people that popped off the network when the +b ban was put in place06:32
nxvl_(and do something like that for ruby :P06:32
Hobbseesladen: but a +b is not the same as a +k anyway06:32
Hobbseei'm no staffer06:32
enricomvo_: I think support for the new format can be easyly hacked into libapt-front at a cost of a small performance loss06:32
ScottKnxvl_: You'd have to establish a team and the grovel through all the packages to find the Ruby ones.06:32
sladenSEOmoz: eg. being banned and then magically popping up from another host.  (Though not in your case).06:32
Riddellenrico: what would need to be done for that?06:33
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LaserJocknxvl_: actually, you might be interested in http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ruby.html06:35
SEOmozi do not say about me, it could happens to another person and that is not correct anyway. So just think what you want, i just do not want to tell yes about that with my silence, and i dont mind of what you think, its nonsense, and because i did not do anything bad and im not a lamer, you can even have all the information by my ISP , i never did something bad, so, i dont care, but you still talking with nonsense, just because something is magic 06:36
SEOmozfor you. well, what can i say if you believe that06:36
ion_seomoz: Nobody is blaming you for anything.06:37
HobbseeSEOmoz: it was a simple question.  if you want to talk ops stuff, here is not the place.  these guys are not ops, in most cases.  #ubuntu-ops is that place.06:37
HobbseeSEOmoz: "i wonder if" is not the same as an accusation06:37
Hobbseeif it were an accusation, then your complaints would be warranted.06:38
enricoRiddell: change the debtags index access code and the debtags serializer 06:38
SEOmozHobbsee, ok, thats right, but if that person insists in talking about that i have to answer, i think, come on, if you analize what was said, you know what i wrote, the end for me, thanks anyway06:39
enricoRiddell: it should require me two or three hours of work06:39
enricoRiddell: I can't guarantee I can do it before thursday, though06:39
HobbseeSEOmoz: he's not accusing you of anything...you're the one thinking that it's an accusal, where it isnt.  However, this is not the purpose of this channel - it's for ubuntu development06:40
Riddellenrico: it would be lovely if you could do that.  I can just upload an old libept/debtags in the mean time06:40
enricoRiddell: the new debtags index adds a string table and generates package IDs internally, so that it doesn't need to have the IDs in sync with libapt06:40
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nxvl_LaserJock: that's a list of the packages in ruby for debian and ubuntu?06:41
enricoRiddell: but the result is that you have to look it up using package names and not numbers06:41
nxvl_nxvl: and his bugs06:41
enricoRiddell: wait until tomorrow morning: if  by tomorrow morning I haven't fixed it, revert06:41
LaserJocknxvl_: yep, lucas is a Debian maintainer for Ruby apps and also works in Ubuntu. If you are interested in Ruby he is a good person to talk too06:42
nxvl_LaserJock: i will write to him, thnx for the help :D06:42
enricoRiddell: OTOH, wrt adept, I have the feeling that either someone who is not mornfall adopts it and ports it to the new libept (helping me to add a few missing apt-related features in libept during the process), or it's going to die of bitrot06:43
LaserJocknxvl_: np06:43
Riddellenrico: yes, I agree there06:44
HobbseeRiddell: which raises an interesting questoina bout what will happen then06:44
enricoRiddell: unfortunately, I've never programmed with QT06:44
Riddellenrico: it needs to be maintained/scrapped anyway due to need for KDE 4 port before long06:45
RiddellHobbsee: re-writing in python is tempting06:45
nxvl_anothre think i don't really undestand, is, what are those tribes thing?06:46
enricoRiddell: this one libept should be easily portable to Python06:46
pittimvo_: compiz-bcop promoted06:47
mvo_pitti: cool, thanks06:47
ion_gimp-resynthesizer probably needs a rebuild for the new gimp. Should i file a bug report, or is someone who takes care of that kind of stuff online and not busy? :-)06:48
pittiwhat is the difference between ubuntu-dev and motu again?06:49
LaserJockubuntu-dev is motu+core-dev06:50
pittimvo_: hm, so ubuntu-meta still needs to get published06:50
LaserJocknixternal: the Tribe releases are like alpha releases as we go along during the development cycle06:51
pittimvo_: it won't make it into the archive before I leave to Taekwondo, so maybe Mithrandir can trigger images06:51
nixternalLaserJock: I know that06:51
pittimvo_: otherwise I'll trigger them at 23:00 CEST when I return06:51
LaserJocknxvl_: sorry ^^ was for you06:51
pittimvo_: but that's going to be a night shift for you then; maybe just test the dailies from tomorrow?06:51
Hobbseeheh.  this is where people from multiple TZ's would come in handy06:52
mvo_pitti: yeah, guess that is the best option (waiting for tomorrow)06:53
pittiHobbsee: indeed :)06:53
mvo_looks like my network interface got swapped when updating to the latest ubuntu kernel. interessing06:54
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pittiRiddell: with your current libept/debtags uploads, can we move bug 121456 to tribe-3? or does that address something else?06:57
nxvl_LaserJock: ok, thnx :D06:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12145606:57
Hobbseepitti: should be fine, assuming the old lot works.06:57
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pittiHobbsee: ok; can you move this over, please, once it has been confirmed?06:58
Hobbseepitti: will do06:58
pittilet's move it to tribe-3, so that we won't forget about this ugliness06:58
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Hobbseesee, i do sleep occasionally!06:58
pittiwell (now + 8 hours) is perfectly sufficient :)06:59
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calcHobbsee: wow you are +15 from me07:00
Hobbseecalc: yes...catch up! no pont living in the past07:00
calcso what is it like to live in tomorrow? ;)07:00
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Hobbseewell, it means that my exams are over :)07:00
pygigood for you07:02
pygiI have too much of them07:02
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gpocentekpitti: gnumeric was waiting for goffice B-D, does it need a manual intervention to start building?07:04
pittigpocentek: no, it should happen automatically07:04
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pygihey glatzor 07:09
glatzorhey pygi07:09
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pittiBenC: I bumped the buildd prios of the kernel, it's building on all arches now07:14
BenCpitti: thanks07:14
BenCshould take 3 hours max on major 4 architectures07:14
pittiBenC: I'll NEW them after returning from Taekdonwo (in about 3.5 hours)07:14
BenCpitti: germans taking taekwondo...scarry :)07:15
pittiBenC: I guess you will still be there at that time for uploading lrm, backports-modules, and ubuntu-modules?07:20
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pittiRiddell: btw, do you want to test strigi in herd-2?07:23
pittiRiddell: I thought you already promoted strigi, clucene, and xapian07:23
pittibut they are still in universe07:23
BenCpitti: yeah07:26
pittievand: in case cjwatson does not come back in time, do you already know how to rebuild d-i against a new kernel ABI?07:27
pittifabbione: ^ well, you know, right?07:27
calcBenC: i learned about HDA over the weekend, fun stuff, heh07:27
BenCcalc: it's only fun if you like dozens of quirks for dozens of different codecs :)07:28
BenCand seems every new HDA audio chipset has a new quirk07:28
BenCyou'd figure as popular as it is, they would do something interesting like being able to programatically pull the pinouts and stuff from the chip07:29
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BenCjust a few bytes of firmware, that's all I ask07:29
evandpitti: negative :(07:30
pittievand: ok, no problem07:32
calchmm was nothing07:32
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Hobbseeif the world blows up, i didnt do it.07:51
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fabbionepitti: yes i do08:04
fabbioneevand: ^^08:04
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tkamppeterpitti, I have solved the foo2zjs problem (biff)08:06
fabbionemdz: any specific reason why ubuntu-meta has ubuntu1 now?08:07
tkamppeterI simply ignore the error of manual.pdf not getting built and leave the package without manual.pdf if such an error happens. manual.pdf is a PDF with a copy of all man pages, not very important.08:07
tkamppeterpitti, and once doing a change on the package I have also updated to the current upstream version of foo2zjs.08:08
fabbionehe is not here08:09
evandfabbione: ok, good08:10
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dmbi have a couple of questions08:19
mdzfabbione: likely just that dch does it automatically now08:21
fabbionemdz: heh08:21
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dmbhow does the debian installer bootstrap the core utilities?08:23
dmbdoes it use debootstrap?08:23
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mdzdmb: yes08:31
dmbmdz: awsom08:32
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dmbis there a place where I can find development docs for ubuntu advanced installer?08:34
pygidmb, it's mostly d-i08:37
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evanddmb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment08:37
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mikmorgCould someone tell me what the canonical way is to determine if the current OS uses initrd, vs initramfs?09:29
pygiwho wanna upload stuff? :)09:40
pygiha fabbione! wake up pls ^_^09:40
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pygioh well, I'll just wait09:46
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pygiseb128, you was lucky you weren't here :P10:05
pygijust a few secs ago :)10:06
pygiOtherwise I'd have to bug you :)10:06
pygiBut oh well ^^10:06
seb128what was the bug about? who is going to fix it? ;)10:07
pygiseb128, I fixed it, about brasero failing to build on sparc and ppc10:07
pygiI wanted a sponsor :)10:07
seb128ah, k10:07
pygimr_pouit is supposed to handle that now :p10:07
pygiif I could just make him wake up :P10:08
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superm1_does that mean I could bug seb128..... :)?10:08
pygisuperm1, nop, I have some things in preparation for him :P10:09
seb128you can try, not sure it's going to work though10:09
superm1_seb128, i've got a few things that have been sitting in NEW for a while10:09
superm1_wanted to see if you could take a gander10:10
seb128a while being?10:10
superm1_well 05-01-07 on some stuff in edgy10:10
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seb128I don't do stable10:10
seb128did you subscribe ubuntu-archive?10:11
seb128I did a round of backport some days ago10:11
superm1_well the weird thing is the amd64 and ppc stuff cleared10:11
superm1_its just the i386 binaries that didn't 10:11
seb128what package is that?10:11
superm1_that was the upload10:12
seb128do you think that edgy still has users? ;)10:13
superm1_well this came to my attention because of a forums post from someone on edgy10:14
superm1_so maybe 1 or 2 .... :)10:14
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seb128superm1_: mythtv i386 accepted10:21
superm1_great seb128 .  one more.10:23
superm1_in gutsy, libhdhomerun (source) was uploaded 2007-06-01 and there have been new source packages after it cleared10:23
superm1_so i wasnt sure if there was troubles with it or anything10:23
ion_amaranth: * debian/patches/01-animation-defaults.patch: - setup animation defaults as specified in the spec  what spec is that? :-)10:23
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seb128ion_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeByDefault10:25
mikmorgcjwatson: Hello10:25
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mikmorgcjwatson: Are you online?10:25
ion_seb128: Ah, right. Thanks.10:25
seb128ion_: np10:26
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ion_Yay, Emerald is going to be used.10:27
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seb128superm1_: why all the libhdhomerun source files +x?10:31
superm1_they were distributed that way from what i remember10:32
superm1_in the upstream archive10:32
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seb128superm1_: libhdhomerun accept now10:36
superm1_great seb128 thanks10:36
seb128you're welcome10:36
ScottKseb128: Riddell said I should ping you to discuss possible changes in the default gnupg config for Gutsy.  Would this be a good time to discuss it?10:37
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seb128ScottK: not really no, I'm about to restart my session to test some compiz changes and it's starting being late, better tomorrow, though I'm not sure I'm the right guy to speak about those, I don't know a lot about gnupg10:38
geserScottK: what will you change in gnupg?10:38
ScottKOK.  Any suggestions on who would be the best person to talk to?  We may need a change to support or S/MIME by default in Kmail goal.10:38
ScottKgeser: Tell it to "use-agent"10:39
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ScottKor/our S/MIME - oops10:39
ScottKseb128: ^^^?10:39
seb128ScottK: not sure, you can try cjwatson or Mithrandir or pitti or keescook10:40
seb128or Keybuk10:40
ScottKseb128: OK.  Thanks.10:40
seb128you're welcome10:40
geserScottK: I've looked at but you would probably need gpgsm and gpg-agent moved from universe to main10:41
geserthe source (gnupg2) is already in main10:41
gesergpgsm is already in main10:42
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ScottKgeser: I think they both are, but I may have missed it.  I've got a pending MIR for pinentry which is also needed.10:42
gesergnupg-agent is in universe but the source is already in main10:43
ScottKgeser: You're right about agent.  Looks like another MIR I need to write.  Thanks for pointing that out.10:43
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geserScottK: have you tested what happens if the seahorse-agent and the gnupg-agent are both started?10:44
ScottKgeser: I haven't (I use Kubuntu).  I gather it's not good?10:45
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geserI don't know. I only remember that seahorse acts also as a gnupg-agent10:46
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ScottKgeser: I guess I'll add that to my list of things to look into.10:47
geserbut that shouldn't stop the inclusion to main10:47
ScottKYes.  The config issue is separate from promotion to main.10:48
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pittiBenC: kernel ia64 NEWed as well (will be published in 80 minutes; I can get it down to 50 if necessary)11:14
pittiBenC: so the path is free for l-r-m/ubuntu-modules/backport-modules now11:14
tkamppeterpitti, I have solved the foo2zjs problem (biff)11:31
tkamppeterI simply ignore the error of manual.pdf not getting built and leave the package without manual.pdf if such an error happens. manual.pdf is a PDF with a copy of all man pages, not very important.11:31
tkamppeterpitti, and once doing a change on the package I have also updated to the current upstream version of foo2zjs.11:31
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pittitkamppeter: ah, good11:48
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pygipitti, you around for a sec?12:04
pygi(yes, I know it's very late)12:05
pittione second is fine12:05
pygibuild on ppc/sparc is behaving12:05
pygiit complains about something I've solved by a patch12:05
pygi(at least I think)12:06
pittipygi: did you check twice? :)12:07
pygipitti, yes :P But might be that something else causes the problem now, although it's the same line12:08
pygijust checking again12:08
pittiTrying patch debian/patches/ubuntu_02_fix_sparc_ppc_build.patch at level 1 ... success.12:08
pittilooks good at least12:08
pygimight be that "uchar op_chge_event:1" lacks ";" at the end :P12:08
pygibut that's ergh again upstream issue12:08
enricoRiddell: please wait until tomorrow evening (or wednesday morning, just to be on the safe side with timezones and local understandings of 'evening': tomorrow I'll be traveling by trains and planes, so I'll have time to hack12:09
pygipitti, if I change that this sec, could you upload pls? ^_^12:09
pittipygi: I can, please send me a debdiff12:09
pygipitti, yay, thanks12:09
pittipygi: (and a diff.gz/dsc/source.changes, please)12:10
pittitkamppeter: erk @ perl -p -i -e 's/(install.*manual\.pdf)/-\1/' Makefile12:11
pittitkamppeter: can you please re-do this change as a proper patch?12:11
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pittitkamppeter: otherwise this will keep changing the Makefile with every build, and it's very non-common practice12:11
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