[01:50] <beeman_nl> hi folk... in this page ( https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html ) there is a link to the example preseed
[01:50] <beeman_nl> but when you click it, you'll get a 404...
[01:51] <beeman_nl> i could'nt find a colofon on the help site, someone from #ubuntu pointed me to this channel
[01:55] <beeman_nl> i'm trying to create a bug report at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc/   but i can't seem to add one...
[02:06] <ian_brasil> hi ...i am checking out the svn doc trunk and I received svn co https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/.
[02:06] <ian_brasil> Error validating server certificate for 'https://docteam.ubuntu.com:443':
[02:06] <ian_brasil>  - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use the
[02:06] <ian_brasil>    fingerprint to validate the certificate manually!
[02:06] <ian_brasil> 
[02:10] <ian_brasil> any ideas?
[02:13] <beeman_nl> ian_brasil: i myself have no trouble checking it out...
[02:16] <ian_brasil> maybe you have already accepted the certificate?
[02:17] <beeman_nl> no, it is the first time i co it
[02:17] <beeman_nl> and it is valid till october '07
[02:17] <beeman_nl> so that shouldn't be a problem...
[02:23] <ian_brasil> Mmm
[03:42] <ian_brasil> the standard workflow ifor documentation s checkout svn, edit docbook, create diff (if without committ rights to svn)...e-mail patch to ubuntu-doc list ??
[06:42] <eset> hi, when is the next meeting for the documentation team?
[06:45] <nixternal> eset: we are waiting for mdke_ to get back after all of his wedding stuff, so hopefully in the next couple of weeks, we will post the date and time on the fridge as well as the mailing list
[06:49] <eset> ok, thanks
[07:01] <eset> i was wondering how the doc team feels about collaborating with other writing projects?
[07:02] <eset> has there been collaboration like this in the past?
[07:02] <nixternal> there have been attempts
[07:03] <nixternal> what kind of writing project are you referring to?
[07:03] <eset> a wiki for writing free manuals about free software
[07:04] <eset> i established one last year but i have just started working on it in earnest
[07:04] <eset> and it seems the ubuntu teams docs and the manuals in the wiki compliment each other quite well
[07:08] <nixternal> eset: they don't complement each other as much as we would like just yet
[07:08] <nixternal> hopefully one day they will be exactly where we want them
[07:09] <eset> ah, i meant the manuals in the wiki i work on and the ubuntu docs complimen teach other quite well
[07:10] <eset> and since the world of documentation writing is small, but growing, combining efforts might be a good idea
[07:10] <nixternal> they are definitely getting better for sure...but something like your idea would be a great topic during our next meeting
[07:10] <eset> okedoke
[07:11] <eset> how does somehting get on the agenda?
[07:11] <nixternal> dunno about combining efforts, but the licensing allows it to occur. most of our documentors tend to have lives, except for me..I am currently documenting KDE and Kubuntu, so I tend to get stretched thin on projects :)
[07:11] <eset> hehe...i bet
[07:11] <nixternal> eset: when we announce the meeting, we will setup a page on the wiki to add items to
[07:11] <eset> ok
[07:12] <eset> i will keep an eye on the announcement then
[07:12] <eset> and in the meantime i will focus on writing some more docs too ;)
[07:12] <nixternal> rock on!
[07:12] <nixternal> gimme a link to the wiki you have
[07:13] <eset> ok... -> www.flossmanuals.net
[07:13] <nixternal> hehe, nice name
[07:13] <eset> hehe, thanks
[07:13] <eset> welcome any feedback
[07:13] <nixternal> I just started a domain flossyard which will bring in various stale floss projects to one location to give new developers something to work on
[07:13] <eset> nice!
[07:14] <eset> seems we think alike...there is a lot already done if it can only be found easily....
[07:14] <nixternal> where is emacs at under the text editors in the cli stuff ;p
[07:15] <eset> hehe...yeah yeah
[07:15] <eset> u can always add it ;)
[07:15] <eset> but im a vim guy
[07:15] <nixternal> man, I was at Barcamp Chicago this weekend, and a lot of people still use Pico, which is Nano really
[07:15] <eset> cant do anything about it
[07:15] <eset> yeah...i really like them both..really simple
[07:16] <eset> when i was using pine it all worked so well....
[07:16] <nixternal> 95-98 I was an Emacs guy, then working for Sun Microsystems I became a Vi guy, now I am whatever mood I am in :)
[07:16] <eset> ha! well, i know i will _never_ get the emacs virus, ever
[07:16] <nixternal> ahh Pine, the good old days. I just recently gave up Mutt for Kontact/KMail
[07:17] <eset> actually i settled for evolution (blush)
[07:17] <eset> i went on a trip for 3 months with very little connectivity and had to have it all local
[07:17] <eset> so downloaded 7 years of email
[07:17] <eset> yowser
[07:18] <nixternal> ouch
[07:18] <eset> rekin
[07:19] <nixternal> I used to use Evolution back when the Ximian desktop was out...that was some pretty nasty days, but I think it did quite a bit for the Linux desktop considering the time
[07:19] <eset> i like it...its pretty stable and simple to use...its fine...but i dont feel so geeky using it...its like buying and older, chumpier car
[07:19] <nixternal> hehe
[07:20] <nixternal> I still like Evolution over Thunderbird though, and actually Evolution doesn't crash as much as KMail does :)
[07:20] <eset> i have to say evolution hasnt crashed once for me
[07:20] <nixternal> but I play it safe, I use KMail for POP accounts, that way there I don't have to worry about losing email
[07:20] <eset> i just used it only 7 months or so
[07:21] <eset> ooo....my pizza is calling...smells good.....
[07:21] <eset> yum!
[07:22] <eset> ok...better run...i am on the mailing list...so i will look for an announcement about the meeting
[07:22] <eset> im keen for some kind of synergy if there is a possibility
[07:22] <eset> the more fusion the better i rekin
[07:23] <nixternal> talk to ya later, I need to run myself
[07:23] <eset> ok, cu :)
[07:34] <beeman_nl> guys, on this page there is a link to the example preseed.txt, but that link doesnt work... https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html
[07:35] <beeman_nl> where should i report that?
[10:22] <ian_brasil> can anyone recommend a docbook editor?
[10:44] <nixternal> ian_brasil: there isn't one. gEdit, Kate, Quanta, Bluefish, Vi, Emacs, all have syntax highlighters and indentation configurations, that is about as good as you can get
[10:46] <ian_brasil> ok, thx