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| happycube | nokia 770's @ woot for $129.95 | 07:14 |
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| pwnguin | is the nokia internet tablet an intended target of ubuntu-mobile? | 07:26 |
| pwnguin | cuz there's 770s on sale for 125 at the moment | 07:30 |
| happycube | not at first go | 07:34 |
| happycube | it'd have to be arm based and they'd have to get past all the non-open bits | 07:34 |
| pwnguin | oh? | 07:35 |
| pwnguin | is this not targetting the ARM platform? | 07:36 |
| happycube | not at first | 07:37 |
| pwnguin | "at first" | 07:37 |
| happycube | i'm not sure | 07:38 |
| pwnguin | everything i read screams, nokia tablets | 07:38 |
| pwnguin | except for Intel's "new low power intel chipset" | 07:39 |
| happycube | it's that | 07:39 |
| pwnguin | if i were conspiratorial, id imagine canonical was hired to develop a platform for a new nokia (or intel) tablet | 07:40 |
| happycube | oh we know that already ;) intel is sponsoring it | 07:41 |
| pwnguin | strange | 07:42 |
| pwnguin | x86 low power | 07:42 |
| pwnguin | i guess it doesn't matter much | 07:43 |
| pwnguin | i already have an x86 toshiba tablet | 07:43 |
| pwnguin | its a little strange, reading the open mailing list of a secret project | 07:48 |
| happycube | it's not a secret ;) | 07:59 |
| happycube | intel's detailed plans for MID's and <=2w 45nm pentium-m's | 07:59 |
| happycube | secret would be if AMD was planning something, which they can't/won't | 07:59 |
| happycube | (for one thing it'd mean an ATI video chip... i'm suuuure shuttleworth would go along with bundling fglrx) | 07:59 |
| pwnguin | or | 08:03 |
| pwnguin | they could open the drivers ;) | 08:03 |
| pwnguin | or improve the existing ones | 08:04 |
| pwnguin | radeon isnt that bad | 08:04 |
| pwnguin | so really this is targetting a replacement for UPMC platform | 08:05 |
| pwnguin | makes sense | 08:06 |
| pwnguin | makes software cheaper for hardware makers, puts pressure on microsoft, and generally sells more chips for intel | 08:06 |
| happycube | yup | 08:07 |
| happycube | r500 *just* got an alpha 2d driver this last week - from reverse engineering | 08:07 |
| happycube | nvidia at least works on the free 2d drivers | 08:07 |
| happycube | *their | 08:07 |
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| pwnguin | kinda | 08:09 |
| pwnguin | it's also so poorly commented they're the only ones who really can | 08:10 |
| pwnguin | (this hasn't stopeed me from trying) | 08:10 |
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| Mithrandir | hiya agoliveira | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: do you have a script or something to get the hildon desktop up and running? I'm still trying to make head and tails of the last two weeks. :-) | 02:03 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Hi. | 02:03 |
| agoliveira | agoliveira: Yes, hold on. | 02:03 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Check this out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure | 02:04 |
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| Mithrandir | do you really need a chroot for it? | 02:05 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Some things might not be necessary like editing /etc/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf as I did that in the package already. | 02:06 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: You can also use Gutsy itself. | 02:06 |
| mdz | Mithrandir,agoliveira: ahve you noticed this? | 02:08 |
| mdz | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/free/source/Sources.gz 401 Unauthorized | 02:08 |
| mdz | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/non-free/source/Sources.gz 401 Unauthorized | 02:08 |
| mdz | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/extras/source/Sources.gz 401 Unauthorized | 02:08 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: seems to work from here | 02:08 |
| agoliveira | mdz: No, where did you get it? | 02:08 |
| agoliveira | mdz: Works here. | 02:08 |
| mdz | I'm at millbank | 02:09 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: also, do we have a sample hildon app that can be used for testing if stuff display well? | 02:09 |
| agoliveira | agoliveira: Nothing specific AFAIK. | 02:10 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Nothing specific AFAIK. | 02:10 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: But usually running standard gnome applications works. | 02:11 |
| ian_brasil | It might be nice for the docs to create/implement/test one standard app the whole way through development | 02:25 |
| ian_brasil | maemo follows this approach somewhat | 02:25 |
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| Mithrandir | ian_brasil: yes, I think that would be sane | 02:51 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: do you have sdk-default-icons in bzr? | 03:14 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: no, because there was no upstream to import yet (and the nokia guys said they were going to add it there) | 03:15 |
| mdz | (very soon) | 03:15 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 03:15 |
| mdz | it may be in svn by now | 03:16 |
| mdz | tommi or moises should be able to say | 03:16 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: there are also some file conflicts between it and hicolor-icon-theme ? | 03:22 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: How did you see that? I don't remember having those conflics on my notebook that I'm using for testing. | 03:29 |
| Mithrandir | conflicts over usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme | 03:31 |
| tko_ | MDK said he'd work something out this week. however I'm not sure it'll take care of the conflict | 03:34 |
| Mithrandir | it seems to me like you're kinda trying to be a hicolor theme, but not really? | 03:34 |
| tko_ | like we didn't really get debian packaging, we didn't really get hicolor icon theme either | 03:36 |
| tko_ | though in a way our icons are just add-ons and regenerating icon cache should fix it, but then our packaging was done such a way that it included the cache... *sigh* | 03:36 |
| tko_ | actually that should be getting fixed and you shouldn't get conflicts | 03:37 |
| Mithrandir | hm, the theme cache is just one bit of this. | 03:39 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: I thought I fixed that by changing it to use dh_iconcache rather than shipping the index.theme | 03:42 |
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| mdz | but I was in a great hurry and may have botched it | 03:42 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: at any rate, things are moving toward using chroots for development, where this should be a non-issue | 03:42 |
| Mithrandir | true | 03:44 |
| amitk | robr: could you ask jacob_laptop to subscribe to kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com. I reworked his poulsbo patches and posted them there. He should probably check the archives for some comments | 03:45 |
| agoliveira | I second that. It's much safer that way. | 03:46 |
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| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Did you give a try on Rusty's project builder? | 06:08 |
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| ian_brasil | i have a base gutsy chroot installed...the process to get a Hildon Desktop is now apt-get install hildon-desktop right?? | 07:10 |
| agoliveira | ian_brasil: apt-get install ubuntu-mobile will bring also some required packages like themes | 07:12 |
| ian_brasil | ok i try that...thx | 07:13 |
| agoliveira | ian_brasil: In case something fails, check out this document here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure and report back what happened, ok? | 07:13 |
| ian_brasil | i will do | 07:14 |
| matt_c | apt-get install ubuntu-mobile and the preperation/running scripts worked for me the other day | 07:14 |
| ian_brasil | sweet | 07:15 |
| matt_c | installing ubuntu-mobile a few days ago broke the application menu but I think that's been fixed (I haven't tried again recently) | 07:18 |
| ian_brasil | do i need to change my gutsy sources.list to install ubuntu-mobile | 07:31 |
| matt_c | ian_brasil: it should be in the standard sources for gutsy | 07:33 |
| ian_brasil | Mmm..i get could not find package | 07:34 |
| ian_brasil | i have deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy main in my sources.list | 07:35 |
| agoliveira | matt_c: Yes, the broken menus have being fixed, I don't know if reached the repositories yet. | 07:37 |
| agoliveira | ian_brasil: That's strange, do you have the universe rep enabled? | 07:40 |
| ian_brasil | i must be doing something wrong as apt-cache search hildon-desktop returns nothing as well | 07:40 |
| ian_brasil | no i only have that 1 line in my source.list | 07:40 |
| agoliveira | Ah... | 07:40 |
| agoliveira | ian_brasil: You need to add universe session to it. | 07:41 |
| ian_brasil | ok | 07:41 |
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| matt_c | ahh sorry, adding universe has become so second nature that I forget that I've done it sometimes | 07:43 |
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| ian_brasil | its ok...i am writing this up so just wanted to cross the t's and dot the i's basically...it works ok now | 07:52 |
| ian_brasil | it bugged out installing ubuntu-mobile | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | Errors were encountered while processing: | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | dbus | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | dbus-x11 | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | libgnomevfs2-0 | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | libhildonwm0 | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | libhildondesktop0 | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | libhildon-thumbnail0 | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | libhildonmime0 | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | libhildonfm2 | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | libgnome2-0 | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | libbonoboui2-0 | 07:58 |
| ian_brasil | libgnomeui-0 | 07:59 |
| ian_brasil | libgtkhtml3.14-19 | 07:59 |
| ian_brasil | libhildonhelp0 | 07:59 |
| ian_brasil | hildon-desktop | 07:59 |
| ian_brasil | ubuntu-mobile | 07:59 |
| ian_brasil | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 07:59 |
| ian_brasil | the dpkg.log shows lines like: | 08:04 |
| ian_brasil | 2007-06-25 17:52:33 status half-installed libhildonmime0 1.9.5-1ubuntu1 | 08:04 |
| ian_brasil | 2007-06-25 17:52:33 status unpacked libhildonmime0 1.9.5-1ubuntu1 | 08:04 |
| ian_brasil | 2007-06-25 17:52:33 status unpacked libhildonmime0 1.9.5-1ubuntu1 | 08:04 |
| ian_brasil | 2007-06-25 17:52:33 install hildon-fm-l10n-engb <none> 3.0-sardine1ubuntu1 | 08:04 |
| ian_brasil | 2007-06-25 17:52:33 status half-installed hildon-fm-l10n-engb 3.0-sardine1ubuntu1 | 08:04 |
| agoliveira | ian_brasil: Is there any message saying like "trying to overwrite /usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme"...? | 08:07 |
| ian_brasil | hold on | 08:07 |
| ian_brasil | no...just that half-installed lines | 08:09 |
| ian_brasil | i dunno if this helps but i installed nano to start with which complained about locales and defaults | 08:10 |
| agoliveira | I mean, above the line "Errors were encountered while processing:" | 08:10 |
| ian_brasil | no it was just the sub-process returned an error code | 08:11 |
| agoliveira | Ah, ok. I just saw something.... | 08:11 |
| agoliveira | hold on | 08:11 |
| ian_brasil | you want the whole dpkg error? | 08:13 |
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| agoliveira | ian_brasil: Are you trying to install it on a gutsy machine? | 08:14 |
| ian_brasil | on a feisty machine with a gutsy chroot | 08:14 |
| agoliveira | ian_brasil: Hmmm... in my Gutsy machine worked like a charm... can you send me the logs by email? It's easier for me to read. adilson@ubuntu.com | 08:16 |
| ian_brasil | on their way | 08:16 |
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| agoliveira | ian_brasil:Thanks. | 08:17 |
| rusty | does anyone know amit's normal working hours? | 08:18 |
| rusty | or.. amit, are you listening? | 08:18 |
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| agoliveira | rusty: Hi Rusty. IIRC, Amit is UTC +3 so it's a bit late over there now. | 08:22 |
| rusty | ok, thanks... i just didn't know if he was they kind of guy who hacks all night and sleeps all day | 08:22 |
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| agoliveira | ian_brasil: I think I know what happened. The dbus postinstall failed and that broke the sequence. I'll check it out because it was working. | 08:34 |
| amitk | rusty: hi :) My usual working hours are 0900-1700 UTC. | 08:36 |
| rusty | hey amit... i was going to introduce you to ToddBrandt who is working on the power stuff | 08:37 |
| amitk | hi ToddBrandt | 08:38 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Ken, do you know where the icons at this page came from? They are quite familiar but I can't remember where I saw... http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8166710404.html | 08:40 |
| amitk | rusty, ToddBrandt: I will be catching up with Kylem on the UME kernel configs (hopefully tomorrow). Are there any power related 'items' that need special attention? | 08:41 |
| kwwii | asac: | 08:41 |
| kwwii | erm | 08:41 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: I think that they are from a stock gnome installation | 08:41 |
| rusty | amitk, i don't think so... ToddBrandt would be talking more about the user space side of things | 08:41 |
| rusty | amitk, other then using a tickless configuration | 08:42 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: looks like some tango icons mixed with some app icons | 08:42 |
| amitk | rusty: tickless - ofcourse. I am assuming HPET-support will come automatically. Anything in terms of user-space power policies? | 08:43 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Ah... fine. It's just that they looked familar, no big deal. Thanks. | 08:43 |
| rusty | amitk, the user-space power policies is exactly what ToddBrandt is working on... which is why i wanted to get him connected to you | 08:43 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: no problem | 08:44 |
| amitk | rusty: great. I guess I will run into him soon enough. If there is already some documents, you can send them to amit_at_ubuntu_dot_com | 08:46 |
| rusty | amitk, actually, i was having ToddBrandt start creating a blueprint and dumping all of his current design work into that blueprint | 08:47 |
| rusty | amitk, is that the right thing to do? | 08:48 |
| amitk | rusty: that would indeed be the best thing to do. He and I can then work on getting the blueprints in shape and break them into smaller components if needed. | 08:49 |
| rusty | amitk, cool... i think he might have stepped out for lunch just before you started talking on IRC, but before that i was pointing him to launchpad.net and he was starting to create a new project so he could fill out a new blueprint. We didn't know if there was a different place he should be adding the content, but worse case he would just move it when we found out the right spec | 08:51 |
| amitk | rusty: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/power-management-in-ubuntu is where I dumped my current list of ideas worth pursuing | 08:54 |
| amitk | rusty: I think ToddBrandt should create a new one, subscribe me to it and then we could discuss how to best separate out kerne/userspace stuff. | 08:55 |
| rusty | amitk, ToddBrandt see the above when you get back to you computer :-> | 08:56 |
| amitk | rusty: I am done for today. I will catch you tomorrow once I have had some time discussing details of the UME sprint | 08:57 |
| rusty | amitk, ok, see you l8r | 08:58 |
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| agoliveira | ian_brasil: I'm installing a chroot from scratch to see what's happening as the one I had is working fine. | 09:47 |
| ian_brasil | ok...let me know | 09:48 |
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| ian_brasil | agoliveira: looks like the first dpkg error relates to dbus: Setting up dbus (1.0.2-5ubuntu1) ... | 10:27 |
| ian_brasil | invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed. | 10:27 |
| agoliveira | ian_brasil: Exactly and it seens to be afecting upstream as well. I'm cheking it out. | 10:28 |
| agoliveira | ian_brasil: dbus 1.0.2-5 has indeed a bug making it bombs when no services are active. I'm checking out how to solve this. | 10:38 |
| ian_brasil | cool...how did you find this out? | 10:39 |
| rusty | ian_brasil, agoliveira are you guys trying to get a fresh chroot working? | 10:43 |
| rusty | if so... you need proc mounted to install dbus | 10:43 |
| rusty | in general, you really need /proc, /sys, and it's a good idea to have /tmp bind mounted for a bunch of different things | 10:44 |
| agoliveira | rusty: Yes but /proc /sys are mounted | 10:44 |
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| agoliveira | /tmp too btw | 10:44 |
| rusty | hmm... | 10:45 |
| ian_brasil | i added to /etc/fstab | 10:45 |
| rusty | unless an update has been made to dbus since yesterday, i can install dbus in a chroot with no problems | 10:45 |
| agoliveira | rusty: What's your dbus version? | 10:46 |
| agoliveira | I mean, the package | 10:46 |
| rusty | let me see... | 10:46 |
| rusty | 1.0.2-5ubuntu1 | 10:47 |
| agoliveira | Gee... same here. Weird. | 10:48 |
| rusty | i might be doing another step | 10:48 |
| agoliveira | The funny thing is that I had one chroot working fine. | 10:48 |
| agoliveira | Which one? | 10:48 |
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| rusty | http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/project-builder/ubuntu/annotate/rusty%40rusty-laptop-20070624230429-q1d2i5cq8krp71f6?file_id=project.py-20070611215750-v6m0mwari40ckyel-30 | 10:52 |
| rusty | search for "def mount" to see my function for mounting a chroot | 10:53 |
| rusty | the only thing else i see special is i copy over the resolv.conf and hosts files | 10:54 |
| rusty | i can't image dbus needing a network | 10:54 |
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| ian_brasil | in maemo bora scratchbox there were problems with resolv.conf and hosts file...maybe it is this? | 10:57 |
| agoliveira | No. | 10:58 |
| agoliveira | I got it. | 10:58 |
| agoliveira | I'm not 100% sure about this but, if I understood it correctly, there is indeed a bug that prevents dbus from start if there is no processes running already. I you're binding the chroot proc with /proc, it works. | 11:00 |
| agoliveira | So: sudo mount --bind /proc gutsy/proc/ solved the problem. | 11:01 |
| agoliveira | Or at least masked it if is there really a bug ;) | 11:02 |
| rusty | agoliveira, i thought you said that you already mounted proc? | 11:02 |
| agoliveira | rusty: Sorry, I wasn't clear. Inside the chroot proc was shown as mounted I didn't do it manualy. | 11:04 |
| ian_brasil | that works for me too | 11:06 |
| agoliveira | rusty: But, of course, it was empty. I didn't realized that. I'll add to the TODO to mount /proc and /sys. | 11:06 |
| rusty | and add /tmp or else attempts to run an app with a Xephyr window will fail | 11:09 |
| rusty | not to mention the network config files, or else apps that need a network will not know how to resolve addresses | 11:10 |
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| agoliveira | /tmp is there already but I didn't have to do anything regarding the network files but add the universe repository to /etc/apt/sources.conf | 11:13 |
| agoliveira | I got to go now but I'll see if I can check this again later today yet. | 11:15 |
| ian_brasil | i still need to comment out the StatusBar on /etc/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf | 11:18 |
| ian_brasil | ? | 11:18 |
| agoliveira | agoliveira: I alreayd fixed that but didn't check if the update reached the repository. | 11:21 |
| ian_brasil | no problem | 11:22 |
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| robr | BenC, did our poulsbo/menlow patches make it into your kernel? | 12:29 |
| BenC | robr: not this upload, but amitk will get them in tomorrow and build you guys a kernel to try out | 12:30 |
| BenC | should have another kernel upload in a week | 12:30 |
| robr | BenC, ok. we'll test it then when it's available | 12:30 |
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