[12:14] hi TheMuso minghua and ScottK [12:14] hi TheMuso minghua ScottK and LaserJock ;) [12:14] heh the list grows. [12:15] hola nixternal [12:15] Heya LaserJock === ScottK hopes he wasn't too pointed last night... === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] nixternal missed all the fun by going to be early. [12:19] ..... [12:20] ScottK: certainly no more than I [12:20] Hi [12:20] I do I know the maintener of a package [12:20] ? [12:21] YannDinendal: What package? [12:21] YannDinendal: apt-cache show [pkg] [12:21] thanks === athena [i=anon32@wikipedia/anon32] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:21] checkgmail === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] YannDinendal: Maintainer is MOTU as a team. We don't have individual maintainers in Ubuntu. === apacheLAGger [n=me@N953P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] ScottK: / nixternal: revision 13 pushed. [12:23] ok [12:24] I would like to learn about packaging, do you think it would be possible for me to package the new version and submit it to the MOTUs ? [12:24] YannDinendal: Yes. [12:25] (soryr, I don't speak english very well, I'm french) [12:25] ok [12:25] This is the place for it. [12:25] is it the same way to package something from scratch or to update a new version ? [12:25] persia: Damn you are thorough with package reviewing. :) [12:25] YannDinendal: Not a problem. In general, you make your updated package and upload it to REVU. [12:25] !REVU | YannDinendal [12:25] YannDinendal: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [12:26] ok :) [12:26] Ask questions here. [12:27] yep, it's friendly here [12:27] I have never made a package before... is there some tutorial anywhere ? === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] I've found some on the wiki, but it's for building the package, not update it [12:30] Someone else feel free to jump in here. I've got other stuff going on that really needs my attention.... [12:32] ok [12:33] YannDinendal: have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/updating-chap.html ? [12:33] oh that's about patching, that's not really what you want === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://dad.dunnewind.net/universe.php === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Kmos at Sun Jun 17 23:49:55 2007 === #ubuntu-motu [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:18] TheMuso: You mean your registrar doesn't mail you reminders? [06:19] StevenK: It does. [06:19] What happened though, was that I had a domain I no longer wanted to auto renew, which I turned off. But thanks to screwy web pages, it must have done it for both domains or something. [06:21] Ahhh === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:40:213:2ff:fe05:abdb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] Time to apply for membership to the bugsquad. I'm sick of having to leave bugs I triage with the wrong importance. [06:52] RAOF: Why don't you apply for MOTU? === bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:52] I don't have nearly enough experience, surely. === RAOF should probably write his wiki page, though. [06:53] RAOF: Think about it. You seem to knwo your stuff, particularly in relation to python packaging. [06:54] Maybe. I do plan to apply some time, I'm just not sure that it's now :) [06:55] I'm trying to build a deb for a library. This is my first attempt at one. I'm having trouble withe the dh_install step. It's telling me "dh_install: libncreport-dev missing files (usr/lib/lib*.a), aborting" but I don't have any static libs. is there a way to get around this? [06:56] well, does debian/libncreport-dev.install list "usr/lib/lib*.a"? If so, that's a fairly obvious and glaring error. [06:56] bipolar: It sounds like your debian/libncreport-dev.install file might include a reference to those static lib files? [06:57] hmm... ok. it was auto generated by dh-make :) [06:57] RAOF: thanks! [06:59] Don't forget to thank crimsun, who was also right, and faster :) === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] crimsun: oh... thanks! [07:00] crimsun: did you use qt4 designer for your gui or no? [07:01] nixternal: yes. (See the status whiteboard...) [07:02] "DONE: initial cut at Qt 3 version (Qt 3 Designer-based) [07:02] DONE: initial cut at Qt 4 version (Qt 4 Designer-based)" [07:02] yup, thanks === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d243.84-47-120.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === predius_ [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Rumba [i=Rumba@gateway/tor/x-08b9ed4de44607ce] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] how do i generate a list of automatically installed packages? [07:23] Yay! My package works :) [07:23] bipolar: what package? === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] Rumba: libncreport. It's a library to write SQL Reports in Qt4 [07:24] bipolar: aha, thanks [07:25] I worked with the developer to split this lib out of a standalone program so others could use it. it's pretty cool [07:26] there is also a report designer. it creates the XML report that this lib parses and displays/prints [07:27] now that I know what I'm doing (a little bit) I'll package that up too [07:28] bipolar: it looks cool indeed. (actually it's cool whenever any libs are split out of monoliths, so it doesn't even need to be particularly cool.) :) [07:28] :) [07:28] I also setup a trac page for the project, and I'm trying to port the designer to qt4 (it's currently qt3) [07:29] http://ncreport.longbros.com [07:29] the developer wrote this thing and never even used scm [07:29] Uuurgh. [07:29] bipolar: i hope it's not a maintainer job only, do the devs cooperate? [07:30] Rumba: oh, yes. It's just one guy, but we've been working together. [07:30] cool [07:30] he hasn't submitted anything new since I setup svn though :P [07:30] hasn't been that long [07:30] I think he only works on it when people ask him to [07:31] :) [07:31] sometimes devs are just too focused [07:31] hehe === bipolar runs off to bed, finaly, at 1:30am [07:32] gnight all === d33p__ [n=d33p@221.145.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:35] /ms/c [07:40] Rumba: 'aptitude search ~M' should give you a list of automatically installed packages === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-eebbdeffc898d9ce] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:47] AndyP: oh, so aptitude has a different definition of automatically installed packages to that of synaptic. whatever packages i manually marked as "automatically installed" in synaptic are not shown here in aptitude. are you familiar to this issue? [07:49] AndyP: even more interesting: apt-get does detect the manually marked ones (in synaptic) as being automatically installed and lists them all [07:50] Rumba: yes, i believe the latest updates to apt in debian are working towards resolving the inconsistency between aptitude and the other apt tools in that area... until then, there's inconsistency because aptitude keeps separate data about automatically installed packages, or something [07:51] AndyP: can i force aptitude to adopt the apt-get/synaptic list (by, say, purging aptitude, erasing its automatically-updated packages list, and reinstalling it)? === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:53] Rumba: only if you have the new aptitude which was recently uploaded to debian unstable, i think [07:54] AndyP: from what you know, will gutsy include this new aptitude? [07:57] Rumba: it doesn't have it at the moment but i don't know if it will... common sense tells me it's too bleeding edge to be added to gutsy at this stage but the ubuntu devs have been known to pull things out of the bag [07:58] AndyP: and i don't suppose there's any apt-get equivalent to 'aptitude search ~M', is there? [08:00] AndyP: the needed aptitude is only in debianexperimental so far [08:00] TheMuso: Bug 122058 is assigned to you, have you uploaded it yet? [08:00] Launchpad bug 122058 in openipmi "Merge openipmi (2.0.11-1) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122058 [08:00] TheMuso: Since a merge is not necessary. [08:01] Rumba: i not sure that ubuntu's apt-get treats automatically installed packages as a special case like aptitude does yet === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] man-di: sorry, yes, experimental [08:03] Rumba: the appropriate literature is http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/06/msg00379.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/06/msg00896.html if you want to follow it up [08:04] AndyP: there's "apt-get autoremove", for instance. and the list of autoremovable packages is also shown at every install/uninstall ("The following packages were automatically installed and..."). i just want to know how to get that list generated with no grep hacks and not just as "side effects" of installing/uninstalling something. === AndyP looks [08:05] AndyP: thanks a lot for the links [08:13] Rumba: can't find anything similar in apt-get/apt-cache/dpkg, sorry [08:15] AndyP: thanks a lot anyway === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7731F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:16] good morning [08:17] hey dholbach [08:17] hey dholbach [08:17] good morning dholbach [08:17] hi ajmitch, hey Nightrose, hey AndyP [08:17] how's it going? [08:17] fine here - and you? === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] fine too - thanks :) [08:21] Good afternoon, everyone. [08:21] hi Fujitsu [08:21] Hi AndyP. [08:22] StevenK: No I haven't. [08:23] bluefoxicy asked me to do it, I assigned myself, and thought of checking Mom. I then asked him to ask i you don't mind him doing it. [08:23] I certainly haven't looked at it in detail yet. [08:23] sorry, bluekuja [08:24] bluefoxicy: Sorry, didn't mean you. Damn tab completion. [08:24] man, Python is not my friend === Rumba [i=Rumba@gateway/tor/x-08b9ed4de44607ce] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:29] python > nixternal? [08:29] so far it is...Java and C++ seem much easier to me...but I have to keep playing with Python [08:30] oh man === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-4919f58302dd1bf0] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] you get used to doing iterations and testing in similar ways, and then switch to Python which do them differently...gets confusing [08:30] java & C++, automatic -1 [08:30] heh [08:30] C++ is the winner [08:31] if c++ is the winner, I don't want to be playing that game [08:31] what would take me an hour or so with Qt and C++, has taken me hours of getting nowhere [08:31] hehe === RAOF is currently trying his hand at some C programming again, and would love to have to be able to gripe about C++ [08:32] RAOF: gripe away [08:32] Lisp FTW === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-6939090fcc6e1cf1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:33] I'd love to be able to gripe about C++, ie: be actually coding in it. As it is, I'll need to gripe about OO being hard in C :P [08:33] And, for the love of god, why do I have to write yet another list/vector implementation? === ajmitch wonders if he can unsend an email :) [08:35] I am wondering if that is in reference to something "special" [08:35] and if so, don't you have to first "send it"? [08:35] haha [08:35] ;p [08:36] check your inbox [08:36] as long as it isn't as bad as Hobbsee and the Vista stuff :) [08:36] ah, I should have changed the From: address [08:36] oh well [08:37] nixternal: Huh? Hobbsee and Vista? What did I miss? [08:37] awww :) thanks [08:37] !nixternal [08:37] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [08:37] Good morning all, by the way. :) [08:37] not a whole lot :) [08:37] hello shawarma [08:37] Hi shawarma. [08:37] 'morning, ajmitch, Fujitsu. [08:38] mornin' to you as well shawarma === sacater [n=sacater@host86-149-250-69.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:47] hey shawarma [08:49] Good morning, dholbach! === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:53] hey shawarma === hjmf [n=hjmf@81.Red-217-125-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] Hi, Burgundavia. === cynics [n=cynics@58.31.11.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jerome_ [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:04] hello all [09:05] could someone please review my package on revu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5720 ? [09:05] It's an update for python soya [09:05] which should fix bug #117840 [09:05] Launchpad bug 117840 in soya "Wishlist: Update python-soya package" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117840 [09:05] and bug #115607 and bug #72884 [09:05] Launchpad bug 115607 in slune "[apport] slune crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115607 [09:06] Launchpad bug 72884 in balazar "Balazar crashes at startup." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72884 === guardian [n=Guardian@mar44-1-87-90-32-28.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:27] Anyone please ? [09:27] jerome_: I can take a look in a bit - doing something else atm === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:28] dholbach : thank you very much [09:28] np [09:28] in the future, if you find nobody checking your package, best to mail ubuntu-motu@ or ubuntu-motu-mentors@ [09:30] ok i'll keep that in mind [09:31] rock === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn28.91-127-77.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:40:213:2ff:fe05:abdb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-d38.87-197-160.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] jerome_: I'd personally wrap the lines in debian/changelog - but it's ok, uploaded it [09:54] no need to go through an extra review iteration for that [09:55] once we use bzr for reviewing this will be so much easier... just a simple commit, no re-uploading of a tarball, etc :) === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn191.91-127-124.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] dholbach : so I just have to wait know ? [09:55] it's uploaded [09:56] it should be built in 2h or something [09:56] dholbach : thank you very much [09:56] no problem [09:56] thank YOU for taking care of the fix [09:56] 1st package inside :) [09:56] ROCK :) [09:56] let's go for the second :) [09:57] yeah - hope to see you as a MOTU soon ;-) [09:57] well not this year cause I'll be very busy at school, but next year for sure! [09:57] great :-) === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] dholbach : are there any chances that I can get the right to backport this to feisty ? === porthose [n=chatzill@24-119-100-168.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] jerome_: best to ask the backport guys - there's a backport team you can subscribe to the bug report [10:07] dholbach : ok I will do that [10:08] right-o === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:14] dholbach: coincidentally to your conversation in -devel, i've just been looking at the new mergeant version for bug #2383 [10:14] Launchpad bug 2383 in mergeant "mergeant version is very old" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2383 [10:14] yeah, we need libgnomedb3 for that [10:14] it's in debian gnome-pkg's team svn [10:15] fernando asked the maintainer of that package why it's not in debian yet, so we could sync it [10:15] I forgot why [10:15] hmm [10:15] it'd be lovely to have the new mergeant version in [10:16] debian's libgnomedb3 changelog in svn has quite a large changelog === pochu [n=emilio@14.Red-83-63-199.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] yes, it'S been a lot of repackaging [10:17] ah, something about using openssl to make a md5 hash and license problems due to that [10:17] 3.0.1 upstream release should fix that [10:17] ... which does not seem to be out yet? === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:18] nope, latest is still 3.0.0 [10:18] right :-/ [10:18] maybe we could get you, fernando and the debian maintainer in touch to package a svn version or something [10:19] the API is supposed to be stable, so that might be a possibility [10:19] (if the fix has landed in svn already) [10:20] sounds like a plan [10:20] if it has landed, as you say [10:21] that way I could package libgnomedbmm3 too [10:21] fix has landed 2007-05-17 - gnome bug 437212 [10:21] Gnome bug 437212 in widgets "gnome-db-entry-password uses openssl to generate md5 hash" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437212 === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionel [n=lionel@ip-211.net-81-220-127.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@7.69-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pumpernickle [n=pumperni@CPE0016b6c9fba4-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@host185-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:38] dholbach: every package that depends on libglademm-2.4-1c2a will need a rebuild [10:39] crimsun: really? not just those that were built during the time of the 'changes' glib? === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] dholbach: pavucontrol and paman are examples that weren't built at all - they were carried unchanged from feisty [10:40] Is that why lots of things (at least everything depending on gconfmm) is dieing with undefined symbols? Or is that another somewhat similar error? [10:40] yes, that's a side effect, too [10:40] then we'd have to rebuild everything depending on gtkmm and glibmm [10:41] very likely, although I haven't tested those === Neonightmare [n=neonight@101-25.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Neonightmare [n=neonight@101-25.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [10:41] None of the stuff I looked at yesterday builds any more, due to what looks like a glademm change. [10:42] did you use 0ubuntu2? [10:42] I have it on my local machine, and I don't recall upgrading since building them. [10:43] that might fix it [10:43] 76 source package depending on glibmm [10:43] I don't think it did, but I'll try again. [10:43] Ouch. [10:44] 0ubuntu2 of glibmm? [10:44] libglademm [10:44] I had to wait until 0ubuntu2 of libglademm-2.4-dev was available to rebuild paman and pavucontrol [10:44] doesn't hurt to have the latest of gtkmm, glibmm and libglademm [10:44] 0ubuntu1 caused FTBFS [10:44] I've got 0ubuntu2 of {glib,glade}mm === lionel [n=lionel@ip-211.net-81-220-127.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] I think I'll upload them all proactively === RainCT [n=RainCT@77.209.34.244] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pumperni1kle [n=pumperni@CPE0016b6c9fba4-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] dholbach: Sounds good. [10:48] Morning === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionel [n=lionel@ip-211.net-81-220-127.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pumpernickle [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pumpernickle [n=pumperni@CPE0016b6c9fba4-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === YannDinendal [n=Yann@dyn-91-163-246-118.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT [n=RainCT@77.209.3.168] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pumperni1kle [n=pumperni@CPE0016b6c9fba4-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DreamThi1f [n=mathias@gateway.3vilh4x0r.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has joined #ubuntu-motu === YannDinendal [n=Yann@dyn-91-163-246-118.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy_ [n=cassidy@7.69-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] crimsun, Fujitsu: glib is still b0rked [12:21] so I rebuilt stuff in vain [12:25] I'll just have to rebuild everything I uploaded since glib was broken, not 'everything' [12:26] dholbach: What's actually wrong with glib? [12:27] http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/glib/trunk/gobject/gtype.h?r1=5497&r2=5560 is the breakage [12:27] http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/glib/trunk/gobject/gtype.h?r1=5560&r2=5582 is the next commit [12:27] that broke the ABI for c++ === bmm [n=chatzill@tcw3.ai.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [12:30] Aha. [12:32] Any MOTUhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5685 === bmm hit return way to soon [12:33] Any MOTU: the ccbuild package is looking for comments or a second advocate. Please see http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5685 for more information [12:36] bmm: let me have a look ;) === Bassetts [n=Bassetts@5ac2dd6f.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn181.91-127-69.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] bmm: is it possible to add a debian/watch ? otherwise, very good package, just have to find a MOTU for an other +1 :) [12:41] anyone with an idea when Mithrandir will be available? [12:42] oh I guess I picked the wrong nickname === d33p__ [n=d33p@25.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] coNP: he's in -devel [12:44] okay but I wanted to bug him with an universe package :) [12:44] hey pochu, by the way :) [12:44] howdy coNP :) [12:44] I've seen you're going for membership tomorrow, aren't you? === coNP tries [12:45] I'll try to be there! :) [12:45] shouldn't i? [12:45] why not? :) [12:47] Any MOTU: the ampache package is looking for comments. Please see http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5730 for more information. === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] bashelier: I'd have to find an example for debian/watch on sourceforge packages, not looked for it yet. [12:53] bmm: here is one, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/DebianWatch ;) [12:53] http://sf.net// [12:55] Hey MOTUs, anyone up to review my Openbox / Obconf packages? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5589, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5569). Hobbsee suggested me to contact Mithrandir but he said he doesn't have time for this right now. So any reviews would be appreciated. [12:56] bashelier: thanks! [12:57] porthose, commented [12:57] Thanks === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bueroman [n=setanta@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gizmo [n=gizmo@87.139.112.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ind[y] [n=indy@pc36.edu.uoi.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] How can I make a .deb file for my Python program? [01:21] Ind[y] : do you have any deb packaging experience already? === norsetto [n=norsetto@host194-225-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] AndyP: no [01:23] !packaging [01:23] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports [01:23] AndyP: ok. thank you. === Ind[y] [n=indy@pc36.edu.uoi.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [01:24] Ind[y] : plus http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy which has python specifics (oh joy :) [01:24] bah, too eager [01:24] why does http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html have double copyright? :P [01:25] RainCT: good question [01:27] Hi, quick question (I hope) for the REVU guys: how do I know if my GPG key has been added to the REVU keyring? [01:27] norsetto: trying to upload something, I think [01:28] well, thats what I did and didn't get any feedback ....... [01:30] Also, can't log in (and my key has an elgamal secondary key)!? So, I was wondering if I can check in any other way [01:30] norsetto: the login is created when you uploaded something [01:31] yeah, that what I did (or at least, I think I did) === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-074-023-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] hi all [01:34] Any way I can check if upload was OK? Should have I got a rejection somehow? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] dholbach: Hi Daniel, Cesare here. Hope you didn't mind me fiddling with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Reception [01:38] Good morning all. [01:38] hey norsetto [01:38] norsetto: I'm about to take my lunch break - ok if I check it out later on? [01:39] dholbach: good idea, I'm about to do the same [01:39] alrighty - thanks for your work on that === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.44] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 [n=mok@ghost.imsb.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dharrigan [n=dharriga@dsl-217-155-228-129.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] ScottK: hello [01:53] Hello AndyP [01:53] ScottK: could you point me in the right direction to get involved with the debian python team? [01:54] Sure. [01:55] AndyP: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/PythonModulesTeam should have all you need to know. If you find it doesn't, please take notes and once we get it figured out, update the page. [01:55] ScottK: great, thanks === nrpil [n=nrpil@s5591f679.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a546:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Rumba [i=Rumba@gateway/tor/x-08b9ed4de44607ce] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] how do i get a list of _all_ packages that are _marked_ as autoremovable (i.e. not just those ones that are currently removable (i.e. are not used by any other packages))? === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-69-249-127-102.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] What does it mean "to NMU a package" ?? [02:14] mok0: non-maintainer upload... it's a debian thing, we don't worry about it in ubuntu === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] good morning all! :) [02:15] OK, but lintian complains that NMU is not mentioned in changelog [02:15] mok0: it does that, don't worry about it [02:15] Is there any tool for Gnome similar to Kompare (as in: viewing the contents of a diff/patch and the side-by-side changes)? apt-cache search and synaptic don't bring up anything that looks good. [02:15] AndyP: ok, thx === neodreams [n=neodream@modemcable198.230-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] RAOF: meld? [02:16] RAOF: i haven't used it myself but it might do what you want (and i've heard good things about it) [02:17] Excelllent. apt-get away. === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] Bah, except it won't load a pre-existing diff. :/ === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] some mention my name? [02:24] I have 6 packs sitting in REVU, ready for a review, in case someone has a profound urge... :-) [02:24] RAOF: d'oh, sorry === grayman [n=grayman@89.1.253.24.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@host185-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === lionel [n=lionel@ip-211.net-81-220-127.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] how can I check if a pbuilder environment was created successfully? I closed the window where it was generating it by mistake and don't know if it finished or not.. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] moins Hobbsee === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-a9178906936f717b] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] hi imbrandon [02:41] AndyP: That's OK, it still helped. I'm now building a merged kvm package :) [02:43] RAOF: good stuff :) [02:45] <_MMA_> imbrandon: PM [02:46] hey Hobbsee [02:46] hi zul :) === radhios [n=radhios@200.47.67.169] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host100-230-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] Anyone from REVU to assist a poor lonely soul? === mok0 [n=mok@ghost.imsb.au.dk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:51] norsetto: what's up? [02:51] Tried to upload a package to REVU, but, don't know whats happened [02:51] norsetto: Which package? === RAOF wills kvm to build faster. [02:52] reconstructor, on May 27 [02:52] never got any feedback, don't even know if the upload was succesfull [02:52] norsetto: Looking now... [02:52] norsetto: is it shown on revu.tauware.de ? [02:52] and if I try to login I can't (even though I had a Elgamal secondary key) [02:53] well, I tried searching, but the system is ... shall we say ... not really norsetto-friendly :) === Rumba [i=Rumba@gateway/tor/x-08b9ed4de44607ce] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:54] c [02:54] ugh === rexbron [n=rexbron@TOROON63-1177742445.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] norsetto: I don't see the package in any of the usual places (ready for review, archived, or rejected), but I think rejected gets cleared out every once in a while, so if it was rejected, it might need a new upload. [02:55] should I get notified if it was rejected? [02:56] only packages older than 6 months get rejected [02:56] er, cleared out [02:56] Hobbsee: Even from incoming/rejected? [02:56] ok, so it never was uploaded I guess (that would also explain why I can't login too) [02:56] persia: dunno about rejected [02:57] norsetto: That might be it. Would you mind trying again? [02:57] At least, how could I check if the my key was added to the keyring? [02:58] norsetto: An upload is probably the easiest way to check. [02:58] OK, I'm trying a new dput right now [02:59] Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de; Doing nothing for reconstructor_2.5-0ubuntu1_source.changes [03:00] norsetto: dput -f === persia triple checks [03:00] Or, rm the .upload the file [03:00] TheMuso: Did you see my message? [03:00] Wooo! One working KVM package. [03:01] norsetto: Delete your source.upload file, and try again. [03:01] StevenK: Re the merge, yes, I thought I responded. [03:01] TheMuso: Oh, mind saying it again? === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] StevenK: No I hadn't touched the merge. I decided to check MoM to see whos merge it was originally, and suggested that you should be asked about it. [03:02] StevenK: Knowing that you prefer to be asked re your merges. [03:02] c [03:02] Ahh, nice. [03:02] ugh kvm [03:02] Successfully uploaded packages. [03:02] TheMuso: I'm waiting for packages.debian.org to update and then I'm going to file a sync. [03:02] StevenK: Right. [03:02] StevenK: You might want to tell bluekuja [03:03] norsetto: They arrived safely, and should be processed sometime in the next five minutes. [03:03] TheMuso: Have done so already. [03:03] StevenK: Ok. [03:03] OK, thanks, anything I can do about the login? === mok0 [n=mok@ghost.imsb.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] dholbach: Oh Wonderfull, Allmighty, AllPowerfull Daniel, would you have some time to have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5734? [03:12] Huzzah. Anyone who feels like some kvm-sponsorship are now welcome to imbibe the choice juices of bug #122113. And it's time for bed. Good night all! [03:12] Launchpad bug 122113 in kvm "[Merge] Please merge kvm-28-4 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122113 === persia suggests that bug 121940 might have also been a good choice before looking at 122113 [03:14] Launchpad bug 121940 in kvm "KVM newest version request (dup-of: 119254)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121940 [03:14] Launchpad bug 119254 in kvm "Fails to create KVM context on linux-image-2.6.22-6" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119254 [03:15] Hi. I'm looking for someone to review my package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5727 === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F7081B.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] dholbach: Oh Wonderfull, Allmighty, AllPowerfull Daniel, would you have some time to have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5734? [03:26] gods, they are never there when you need them....... [03:26] what's the policy on line endings? python-opengl installs a bunch of examples to /usr/share/doc/python-opengl/Demo/ with ^M at the end of each line. python handles this fine though, so not sure if this is bug worthy [03:26] Where is a good place to ask about license related issues? [03:27] jrib: It's generally not bug-worthy. Most of that comes from upstream, and is rather painful to patch. [03:27] mok0: This is a good place to start, although you'll rarely get an authoritative answer. [03:29] OK. A license that is not restrictive, except it contains a requirement to keep the copyright notice in the source code, and a "disclaimer" section, what would that be? [03:29] persia: thanks [03:30] mok0: It sounds like a BSD-ish license to me. Which license? [03:31] Look here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27127 [03:34] mok0: Yep, that's http://www.gnu.org/licenses/info/BSD_3Clause.html [03:35] persia: so that would be ok with Ubuntu? === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] mok0: Absolutely. You can't use /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD, as it's the University of Melbourne, rather than the Regents of the University of California, but as long as you include the license in debian/copyright, you're all set. [03:37] persia: good, so I'll go ahead and package this. [03:38] mok0: http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html is a good resource to check licenses. if the license you're looking at isn't already listed there, it provides some standard questions to ask yourself when trying to decide if it is acceptable. [03:38] persia: ... should I hold back on uploads to REVU, I have 6 packages sitting there already? [03:39] persia: thx for the links [03:40] mok0: No need to hold back, but if you have open comments, you should prefer reuploading to new packaging, and if you don't have open comments, you should request advocation. === apachelogger [n=me@N833P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host100-230-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === aanderse [n=aaron@CPE0015e916db19-CM001225d7436c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] persia: well, I'm a bit stuck on wulfware, I uploaded the mods we mailed about, but the rest of the packages are ready for review [03:42] coNP: picking a time when people are wroking really hard on a tribe release to ask for a sponsor to debian isnt smart, FYI [03:42] mok0: Sorry I haven't gotten back to you on that - there doesn't seem to be a trivial solution :( Have you requested reviews of your other packages as well? If not, it's worth posting a link. [03:44] persia: Here is the link for wulfware http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5733 [03:45] But theseus is pretty far along in the process: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5674 [03:46] mok0: I'm not REVUing right now, but thanks: perhaps someone else will look at them. [03:47] persia: That would be nice. Seems like the MOTUs are somewhat understaffed :-) [03:49] how can I update a package to a newer version? download the new one, copy the debian directory there, check the patches (if any) and update changelog? [03:49] RainCT: Basically. There's a more detailed guide available under MOTU/Recipes on the wiki [03:51]