[12:30] <DaveMorris> so should I grab teh 24th 1? mythbuntu-7.10~070624-i386-nossh-novnc.iso
[12:30] <superm1> yes
[06:13] (Shred01/#ubuntu-mythtv) why samba?
[06:13] (superm1/#ubuntu-mythtv) well this is my thought process
[06:13] (superm1/#ubuntu-mythtv) people who aren't choosing advanced install
[06:13] (superm1/#ubuntu-mythtv) likely don't have a lot of linux experience
[06:13] (superm1/#ubuntu-mythtv) its a stereotype that I see very fitting
[06:13] (superm1/#ubuntu-mythtv) and they will likely have a windows box and want to transfer files around back and forth
[06:14] (superm1/#ubuntu-mythtv) and then those that choose the advanced install have an option to turn this on and off
[06:14] <Shred01> what kind of files do you see a user in trouble being able to get with smb?
[06:15] <superm1> well i probably didn't say that clearly - the admin/debugging was for SSH
[06:15] <superm1> and then the samba was related to my last few comments
[06:15] <Shred01> sure, ssh i can get onboard with quite easily
[06:15] <superm1> just setting up a writable share for mythvideo, mythmusic, mythgallery
[06:15] <superm1> the code i put through this weekend detects which of them are actually chosen and creates a smb.conf based upon that
[06:16] <Shred01> yeah, i can see that as being peripherally useful if a mythbe is dropped into a network where windows users are, but i'm not sure i see it as being a debugging tool so much.
[06:17] <Shred01> but i think "do you want to share your recorded files|video files|photos with a windows network" being a required question rather than just every mytbuntu box shares all those files unless you are an advanced user.
[06:18] <Shred01> the default stance to share is not so good i think.
[06:18] <Shred01> "hey dude, just found the videos of you and wife on your mythbox.  thanx for sharing!" ;-)
[06:19] <superm1> haha
[06:20] <superm1> well i'll have to toy with the code a bit then to make sure that page still shows up in a standard install
[06:59] <Shred01> woot! have an upstart script that works.  and irexec can simply use "start mythtv-frontend" to start mythfe and "stop mythtv-frontend" to stop it.
[07:17] <superm1> wow, that easy to get things together huh?
[07:22] <Shred01> seems so.  just doing the irexec bits.
[07:22] <Shred01> since this is the dedicated FE, no need to mess around with gnome-screensaver
[07:28] <superm1> really?  I still leave it on my tv
[07:29] <Shred01> naw.  i just let the dpms/xserver screen bla{nc}ker kick in
[07:29] <Shred01> in any case, i would not password lock it.  so xdg-screensaver could be used easily with it.
[07:32] <superm1> those xdg utils aren't present on ubuntu by default correct?
[07:32] <Shred01> they are on my gutsy box.  xdg-utils.
[07:34] <superm1> good to know
[07:35] <Shred01> oh yeah.  ubuntu doesn't ship with an irexec start up script.  i had to create one.  i guess they assume the user env. will start it.  that is something mythbuntu is going to have to deal with too.
[07:45] <Shred01> the irexec bit is ugly because it requires the key value out of the lircd.conf
[07:45] <superm1> i think the uglier part is running that thing as root
[07:45] <Shred01> and key values (i.e. names) are different from remote to remote
[07:45] <superm1> thats quite the security risk
[07:45] <Shred01> irexec?
[07:45] <superm1> (another one of UMCs goals) is consisent remote names
[07:45] <keescook> superm1: latest mythtv/plugins uploaded!
[07:46] <superm1> awesome keescook
[07:46] <superm1> i put the weekly-fixes live on mythbuntu.org too
[07:46] <superm1> based upon that packaging
[07:46] <Shred01> superm1: it could easily be su'd to mythtv if having irexec as root makes anyone nervious
[07:46] <superm1> and we encountered something that could be trouble come feisty->gutsy upgrade
[07:47] <superm1> when upgrading to the new mythtv-backend, there is mythtv-backend-utils
[07:47] <superm1> which conflicts with the older mythtv-backend
[07:47] <superm1> so depending on the order things get done, it has a potential to cause an apt error
[07:47] <Shred01> superm1: not just feisty-gutsy.  fiesty-fiesty too.
[07:48] <superm1> indeed
[07:48] <Shred01> for somebody who adds the mythbuntu fixes repo after a vanilla feisty install
[07:48] <superm1> exactly
[07:48] <superm1> i'm pretty sure just adding a Conflicts:
[07:48] <Shred01> anyway, waaaay past my bedtime.  see y'all later.
[07:48] <superm1> that refers to the older version will solve it
[07:48] <superm1> night Shred01
[07:48] <Shred01> yeah, i thought Conflicts: would do it too.
[07:48] <superm1> i'll test it out this week to make sure
[10:57] <DaveMorris> !medibuntu
[10:57] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[03:04] <DaveMorris> superm1: just been chatting to Daviey about the auto logging out on exit of mythtv and he made this observation
[03:04] <DaveMorris> Daviey: how do you access mythcontrol-centre if you can't get to the desktop..
[04:18] <superm1> well from administration mode
[04:53] <spader3d> hi all
[04:53] <spader3d> i downloaded the latest version of mythbuntu 7.10 and got the frontend working with no problem
[04:53] <spader3d> thanks
[04:54] <spader3d> but i did not see the option to only install the frontend
[04:55] <spader3d> although i installl both the front and the backend it recognized my vp-1020a and everything worked fine
[04:55] <tgm4883> did you do an advanced install?
[04:55] <spader3d> got job done on this mythbuntu!!!
[04:56] <tgm4883> or a standard install spader3d?
[04:56] <superm1> spader3d, glad things worked out well for you :)
[04:56] <superm1> the install for a frontend only was listed as an advanced install option
[04:56] <spader3d> ok i should look for that one then
[04:57] <tgm4883> superm1, a server kernel wouldn't effect the myth packages and dependencies would it?
[04:57] <superm1> nope tgm4883
[04:57] <DaveMorris> tgm4883: souuldn't
[04:57] <superm1> it crashes a virtual box VM though
[04:57] <spader3d> another thing ...will there be support for like DVB decryption?
[04:57] <superm1> so you'll want to be careful that regard
[04:57] <DaveMorris> but some timee it will affect the firmware needed by cards
[04:57] <tgm4883> forum guy tried following the edgy guide for 64-bit
[04:58] <tgm4883> has dependency problems with myth-common
[04:58] <laga> spader3d: mythtv should supported CAMs out of the box
[04:58] <DaveMorris> 64bit will prob have problems
[04:58] <tgm4883> mythtv-backend: Depends: mythtv-common (= 0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu6~edgy1) but 0.20-0.2ubuntu2 is to be installed
[04:58] <DaveMorris> 64bit != server kernel though
[04:58] <tgm4883> he said he installed AMD64
[04:59] <superm1> sounds like he doesn't have backports turned on
[04:59] <superm1> in edgy
[04:59] <tgm4883> and mythtv in the edgy repos is the .20-0.2ubuntu2
[04:59] <spader3d> laga: you mean by using a standard iso?
[05:00] <laga> spader3d: mythtv supports CA modules out of the box. myhbuntu should support them, too. i doubt they removed the CI and CAM code from the kernel :)
[05:00] <tgm4883> superm1, its in his list, but that gives me an idea
[05:00] <tgm4883> maybe apt-get update was missed
[05:00] <superm1> perhaps
[05:01] <DaveMorris> superm1: the mythtv-database blurb has a typo
[05:01] <DaveMorris> "This package sets up a MySQL database for use my MythTV." should read "This package sets up a MySQL database for use by MythTV."
[05:02] <spader3d> like sasc-ng??
[05:02] <laga> spader3d: dude
[05:02] <superm1> oh good catch DaveMorris :)
[05:02] <laga> spader3d: that's illegal.
[05:02] <spader3d> ah ok....just read abut that the other day
[05:02] <laga> spader3d: i was talking about conditional access modules, not about emulating them in software
[05:02] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, not a typo, all your mythtv boxes belong to superm1 :)
[05:02] <laga> tgm4883: heh
[05:02] <laga> i knew it :)
[05:04] <DaveMorris> superm1: you see my comments ^^ ?
[05:04] <DaveMorris> !logs
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[05:04] <superm1> DaveMorris, you didn't see my response?
[05:06] <DaveMorris> nope
[05:06] <DaveMorris> its not logged yet either
[05:06] <superm1> i had said that you can get to it via the administration login
[05:07] <DaveMorris> ok, also are sound levels, and what sound outputs are enabled done per user?
[05:07] <superm1> huh?
[05:09] <DaveMorris> 1 of my boards has stereo out and digital out.  So you need to enable the digital out as its not on by default.  However I'm not sure if those settings are done on a per user basis or over the whole system.  Also setting of the volume for various outputs. per user or per system
[05:09] <superm1> well it can be done either way: per user or per system
[05:09] <superm1> depends on how you enable your digital out
[05:10] <DaveMorris> to enable I just had to press a check box in the gnome volume control
[05:10] <superm1> see i'm a bit more blunt with mine in that i use an asoundrc
[05:10] <superm1> to redirect *all* audio
[05:10] <superm1> to spdif
[05:11] <DaveMorris> ahh, mine can output to bot at once, which is great for parties.
[05:11] <DaveMorris> My amp and speakers in the lounge, my bro's amp and speakers in his room
[05:11] <DaveMorris> playing in time and very loud yet no distortion!
[05:14] <superm1> it can be an option addressed in Daviey's control centre
[05:14] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[05:14] <superm1> okay i'll be back in a bit
[05:14] <DaveMorris> I jsut wanna make sure we don't drive people away because they can't do something
[05:27] <Daviey> hmm..  i'm build a custom kernel over ssh; reckon it will work when i reboot?  :)
[05:28] <DaveMorris> depends how much of a ninja you are ;)
[05:28] <Daviey> changed 3 lines
[05:28] <DaveMorris> this for your sata card or the usb?
[05:28] <Daviey> usb
[05:29] <Daviey> :)
[05:29] <Daviey> i wish i built it in a screen; don't think it will finsih before i leave
[05:29] <DaveMorris> shouldn't do it at work :P
[05:30] <Daviey> what else should i do with my time? :)
[05:30] <DaveMorris> work :P
[05:30] <Daviey> yeah right!
[05:41] <tgm4883> where did mythtv-common go in edgy backports?
[05:45] <tgm4883> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=483925  Heres the thread if anyone wants to weigh in, im running out of ideas and haven't had my coffee yet.  I checked packages.ubuntu.com but couldn't find mythtv-common in edgy-backports (only in edgy), and I suppose that is why he's getting the error.  So where did it go?  or am I confused.
[05:57] <superm1_> Daviey, can you try to have the metas ready soon (higher priority than the themes), ideally would like to announce alpha-2 +/- 4.5 days from tribe-2
[05:57] <tgm4883> superm1, is it possible that mythtv-common was removed from edgy-backports
[05:58] <superm1_> tgm4883, wrong superm1_ :).  um it should nt have been
[05:58] <tgm4883> ah
[05:58] <Daviey> superm1_: erm; i'm confused what you mean by metas?  I thought you mean't the themes & meta-packages for them?
[05:58] <tgm4883> i checked packages.ubuntu.com, but couldn't find it in edgy backports
[05:58] <superm1_> Daviey, i mean the big mythbuntu metas
[05:58] <superm1_> mythbuntu-live
[05:58] <superm1_> and mythbuntu standalone
[05:59] <superm1_> that are used to control what packages are put on the cd
[05:59] <superm1_> and which ones are required in a final install
[05:59] <Daviey> oh geez.. forgot all about them
[05:59] <superm1_> the ones that need those 'seeds' and all
[06:00] <Daviey> Okay, i can set some time aside tommrow afternoon - will you be about@
[06:00] <superm1_> @ when?
[06:01] <Daviey> erm UTC 12:00?
[06:01] <superm1_> 7am???
[06:01] <Daviey> heh
[06:01] <Daviey> erm; what time is good for you?
[06:01] <superm1_> likely no - all depends how late i stay up working on more stuff tonight
[06:02] <superm1_> between 15:00 and 17:00 or after 20:00 UTC
[06:04] <superm1_> tgm4883, that does look weird with barely anything available in backports
[06:04] <superm1_> even weirder is that its only amd64 and powerpc
[06:05] <superm1_> its stuck in the NEW queue it looks like
[06:07] <superm1_> tgm4883, i pinged the archive admins about it
[06:07] <superm1_> hopefully we'll get it sorted out
[06:44] <superm1_> Daviey, were you still going to download an ISO today?
[06:46] <superm1_> if you do, this one should reflect functional ssh and VNC too: http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso/mythbuntu-7.10~070625-i386.iso
[07:58] <Daviey> superm1_: wgetting
[08:49] <perlmonkey> hi, i'm getting Segmentation fault (core dumped) when using frontend > manage recordings > schedule > program guide
[08:54] <laga> bye
[10:04] <superm1_> laga ping?
[10:05] <laga> pong
[10:05] <laga> :'(
[10:05] <superm1_> why sad?
[10:05] <laga> because you want mythweb auth and i can't give it to you. been sidetracked.. and had a net outage today
[10:06] <superm1_> well so as to not stop me, i was going to ask at least what debconf variable you're storing in
[10:06] <superm1_> i can work off that at least to get the backend code started on it
[10:06] <laga> oh.
[10:07] <laga> heh. i'm resetting the username and password. AFAIK, such information is not to be kept in the debconf database
[10:07] <superm1_> well when you ask the question
[10:07] <superm1_> where do you put the answer then?
[10:08] <laga> i'll pastebin the template for you
[10:09] <superm1_> well if its in bzr i can just update later
[10:09] <superm1_> i was going to ask though if it was a straightforward response at least
[10:09] <laga> see http://laga.ath.cx/debian/mythweb.templates
[10:09] <laga> superm1_: the stuff in bzr should be up to date regarding that
[10:10] <superm1_> k
[10:10] <superm1_> that link doesnt work btw
[10:11] <laga> gah
[10:11] <laga> see http://laga.ath.cx/mythweb.templates
[10:11] <laga> debian/ was the local path :)
[10:12] <laga> superm1_: i have just pushed my latest mythweb.config and mythweb.templates
[10:12] <superm1_> k cool
[10:25] <superm1_> tgm4883, i just got ahold of archive admins
[10:25] <tgm4883> whats up
[10:26] <superm1_> they accepted the i386 package, so the missing pieces should show up within a few hours
[10:26] <tgm4883> sweet
[10:26] <tgm4883> just a bad timing with the guy trying to install then
[10:27] <superm1_> yea
[10:27] <superm1_> well its good he brought this to attention
[10:27] <superm1_> wouldn't have caught it otherwise
[10:27] <tgm4883> ah
[10:30] <superm1_> tgm4883, how is unofficial plugins going?
[10:34] <tgm4883> eh, slow
[10:35] <tgm4883> i have little time to work on it, so it gets a little here and there
[10:35] <tgm4883> i anticipate more time being available next week though as I should be caught up on work related items
[10:39] <superm1_> tgm4883, well as you get a few moments let me know and I can help with some pointers re: packaging and getting things on a bzr branch and such
[10:41] <spader3d> what is the bandwith needed approx to send livetv to a frontend?
[10:41] <spader3d> bandwidth
[10:41] <superm1_> spader3d, depends on the live tv your watching
[10:41] <superm1_> HD?
[10:41] <superm1_> sd?
[10:41] <spader3d> sd
[10:42] <spader3d> if i build a backend with like 3 tv tuner card in it and each one connecter to rec with lirc
[10:42] <superm1_> well it shouldn't be more than about 5mbps
[10:42] <spader3d> can i provide 3 users with video and option to change channels?
[10:43] <spader3d> over a wireless network
[10:44] <superm1_> over the same wireless i'd say thats iffy
[10:44] <superm1_> because even 54mbps - thats peak
[10:44] <superm1_> on average its in the lower 20s
[10:44] <spader3d> but over a wired network it is possible?
[10:45] <superm1_> yea that would be possible then
[10:45] <superm1_> matter of fact i've pushed mine to do 1 HD and 2 SD over the same network
[10:45] <superm1_> all from one backend
[10:46] <spader3d> you have 3 cards in the backend?
[10:47] <superm1_> well at this point only 3
[10:47] <spader3d> and to put the video on the TV i thought of a videocard with tv out
[10:47] <superm1_> i had at one point 5 in that backend
[10:48] <spader3d> i am going to test with 3 .... and over a wired network ...to 3 frontend
[10:49] <spader3d> each should be able to control its own card/stb
[10:49] <spader3d> posibble?
[10:49] <superm1_> yes
[10:58] <superm1_> spader3d, what graphics driver did it end up getting you set up when you installed out of curiousity?
[11:41] <superm1_> keescook, are you staying at a hotel for ULive?  Or just at home since your OR based right?
[11:45] <superm1_> OpenMediaSupport, just made my reservation finally :)
[11:45] <keescook> superm1_: I'm local, so I'll just be at my place
[11:46] <superm1_> ah.  thats convenient.  saves a few hundred dollars in hotel
[11:46] <superm1_> imbrandon and i splitting the reservation
[11:46] <superm1_> are you attending the tutorials at all?
[11:47] <keescook> that's on tuesday?  I'm not sure; I'd like to
[11:47] <superm1_> well i think they're pricey if your not talking
[11:48] <superm1_> 245 for just the tutorials day
[11:48] <superm1_> 895 for the whole thing tutorials + conferences
[12:13] <superm1_> keescook, i poked an archive admin to ack the libhdhomerun source package today.  will they still have to ack the resulting binary too, now, or is that implied in the source package ack?
[12:14] <superm1_> eg will the binary end up in NEW now too
[12:18] <keescook> I think the binary will be NEW also, but that's usually quick
[12:18] <superm1_> ah okay.  well as soon as that clears i've got a new version to upload :)
[12:19] <superm1_> they gave me permission to package the firmware too, but i almost think it will be easier to set up a firmware installer package, a'la flashplugin-nonfree
[12:19] <superm1_> to grab it on the fly
[12:20] <superm1_> rather than having to fight with licensing since it was exclusive permission on the firmware