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| sbalneav | Evening all | 03:19 |
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| pygi | sbalneav, evening? | 03:21 |
| pygi | you must be mistaken | 03:21 |
| pygi | 3:21AM isn't evening | 03:21 |
| pygi | so ... | 03:21 |
| pygi | morning :) | 03:21 |
| sbalneav | You know, that joke's getting so very, very old. | 03:22 |
| pygi | ah :'( | 03:22 |
| sbalneav | Well, time to make ldm interact with the greeter. | 03:23 |
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| LaserJock | hi sbalneav | 03:34 |
| sbalneav | hey LaserJock | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: so, more ldm hacking tonight? | 03:39 |
| sbalneav | Yeah, now that I have a greeter that can be controlled from stdin and stdout, time to get that plugged into the new ldm | 03:40 |
| sbalneav | that way, we can: | 03:40 |
| sbalneav | handle password expiry | 03:40 |
| sbalneav | give failed login info back to the user | 03:40 |
| sbalneav | other cool things | 03:40 |
| sbalneav | I'd like to get most things wrapped up with ldm before tribe 3, so we can get the users testing/debugging it. | 03:41 |
| sbalneav | I have no idea how we flag strings in a C program for translation, but we'll need some translation before we're done too. | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: hmm, I thought the greeter was part of ldm | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | maybe I'm confused | 03:50 |
| sbalneav | The greeter's actually a separate, standalone program. | 03:50 |
| sbalneav | separate from the display manager itself. | 03:50 |
| sbalneav | The idea being: we have a gtk+ based greeter, which looks gnome-ey | 03:50 |
| sbalneav | the Kubuntu people may like to write a greeter based on qt | 03:51 |
| sbalneav | so an ltsp login to a kubuntu box looks kde-ey | 03:51 |
| sbalneav | xfce-ey for xubuntu | 03:51 |
| sbalneav | and ultimately, we may produce a real-ugly-but-low-resource one based purely on xlib calls. | 03:52 |
| sbalneav | so long as they speak the little language on stdin and stdout, then ldm can use them to interact with the user. | 03:52 |
| LaserJock | ok, so what does ldm actually do then? | 03:52 |
| sbalneav | Cool, no? | 03:52 |
| sbalneav | ldm does things like: | 03:53 |
| sbalneav | spawn xorg itself | 03:53 |
| sbalneav | make the ssh connection to the server | 03:53 |
| sbalneav | handle autologin if specified | 03:53 |
| sbalneav | plumb the sound connection | 03:53 |
| sbalneav | etc. | 03:53 |
| sbalneav | it's a plumbing program, | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | ahhh | 03:53 |
| sbalneav | it just connects various bits-n-pieces together. | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking of it the other way around | 03:54 |
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| ath | would somebody want to help me to configure dhcpd.conf? | 04:07 |
| ath | I can't seem to get the thin clients to see the network | 04:09 |
| ath | I am not sure how to set the subnet mask and all of that stuff | 04:16 |
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| ath | is anybody here? | 04:20 |
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| ath | anyone here? | 04:37 |
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| sbalneav | ath: I'm here | 04:42 |
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| LaserJock | hi highvoltage | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | hi LaserJock | 08:14 |
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| RichEd | stgraber: ping | 12:27 |
| juliux | hi RichEd | 12:28 |
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| `6og | hi all | 12:29 |
| RichEd | hi juliux | 12:29 |
| RichEd | & the funny roo karl chappie | 12:30 |
| RichEd | ping willvdl | 12:30 |
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| `6og | lol | 12:30 |
| willvdl | RichEd, pong | 12:30 |
| RichEd | ogra: ping -> msg re server hosting | 12:35 |
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| person | hey, I am using Dapper and ltsp, i made a lts.conf file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf. | 02:00 |
| person | I want to be able to play sound and use flash drives and cds on thin clients, so I wrote | 02:00 |
| person | SOUND = True | 02:00 |
| person | LOCALDEV=True | 02:00 |
| person | but i still can't do either..any help? | 02:00 |
| ogra | sound should work | 02:01 |
| ogra | localdev wasnt in dapper | 02:01 |
| person | i get something about missing gstreamer plugins on the clients and the server | 02:01 |
| person | when i click on the volume control | 02:02 |
| ogra | volume control doesnt work on esound forwarded sound, which is what ltsp 4.2 and ltsp 5 until feisty used | 02:02 |
| ogra | feisty uses alsa emulation for sound and provides full sound access and volume control | 02:03 |
| ogra | for older releases chack that you have a gstreamer plugin for esound support installed | 02:03 |
| ogra | *check | 02:03 |
| person | i have some gstreamer-esd plugin, but is it also impossible to use flash drives then? | 02:06 |
| ogra | with dapper, yes | 02:06 |
| ogra | lkocaldev support came with edgy | 02:07 |
| person | great thanks a lot for the help, faster response than the ubuntu irc channel | 02:08 |
| ogra | well, we're not so full here :) | 02:08 |
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| person | is there any way to manually install some localdev thing to dapper | 02:55 |
| person | i read something after googling that it could be done manually, but no guide | 02:56 |
| ogra | not without programming and writing a bunch of scripts | 02:56 |
| ogra | you would need to patch ldm a lot | 02:56 |
| ogra | the dapper ldm doesnt know about the shh communication channel we use later | 02:57 |
| ogra | *ssh | 02:57 |
| person | that sounds hard | 02:57 |
| person | am i just better off upgrading the server to 7.04 then? | 02:58 |
| ogra | yeah, and rebuild the client with sudo ltsp-build-client | 02:58 |
| ogra | (after you upgraded the server) | 02:58 |
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| person | is it better to do a fresh install, i heard that there can be problems with upgrading? | 02:59 |
| person | that's ok, thanks a lot once again ogra | 03:01 |
| ogra | ah, well, we only support release to realease upgrades | 03:01 |
| person | oh, no dapper to feisty? | 03:02 |
| ogra | so instead of doiing a dapper->edgy->feisty upgrade it would likely be faster to just grab the feisty CD | 03:02 |
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| person | great, thanks | 03:02 |
| ogra | dapper will allow upgrades to the next long term version but for normal release upgrades we only support release to release upgrades | 03:03 |
| person | when is the next long term version? | 03:03 |
| ogra | not sure yet ... rumours are that it might be gutsy+1 (8.04) | 03:03 |
| person | only 9-10 months away | 03:05 |
| ogra | wrt LTSP you are best off with feisty< (7.04) it has the most complete feature set | 03:06 |
| ogra | 7.10 will change the whole thing all over again then, we redesigned a lot :) | 03:06 |
| person | how do you actually becomed involved with that? | 03:07 |
| person | designing and programming stuff that makes it into the distro | 03:09 |
| person | just curious since it seems you are part of some team that does that | 03:10 |
| ogra | well, i started with helping to maintain packages ... and at some point someone looked for someone to write an app for a bounty fee ... | 03:11 |
| ogra | so i took that ... :) | 03:11 |
| ogra | easiest to get involved it to dig through bugs, find something easy and just add a fix to the bug | 03:12 |
| ogra | but indeed there are lots of other areas as well, contribution isnt limited to code ;) | 03:12 |
| ogra | i.e. docs, artwork etc | 03:13 |
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| person | thanks man, I'm still in high school, so maybe in a few years it would be cool to get involved | 03:14 |
| ogra | you can get involved at any time :) | 03:14 |
| ogra | even helping people here that have less experience than you is a great contribution ;) | 03:15 |
| person | i'll do that, i'm sorry while I have you, I wanted to ask another question | 03:15 |
| person | regarding feisty | 03:15 |
| ogra | sure, shoot :) | 03:15 |
| person | we couldn't install it on some test machines (desktop version), and i read there may be a problem with certain hardware configurations so we dropped it even for the server...how reliable and stable would it be for what we are trying to do with a server and thin clients | 03:17 |
| ogra | what was the error ? | 03:17 |
| person | it said "bin/sh: can't access ty; job control turned off" | 03:20 |
| person | *tty | 03:20 |
| ogra | before or after install ? | 03:21 |
| person | before, from the cd | 03:21 |
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| ontologyst | I just installed a new Feisty classroom server on a Power Mac G5. However, my clients fail to connect. Any ideas how I can check what is wrong? | 04:13 |
| ogra | ppc clients ? | 04:15 |
| ontologyst | no, these are ltsp clients | 04:15 |
| ontologyst | running on diskless boxes | 04:16 |
| ogra | so intel cpus ? | 04:16 |
| ontologyst | they have a Realtek Agent for network boot | 04:16 |
| ontologyst | yes, they are intel cpu, Celeron 900Mhz | 04:16 |
| ogra | heh, the powerpc CD can only build ltsp for powerpc (it uses the packages from the CD) | 04:17 |
| ogra | the CD only has space for ine CPU architecture | 04:17 |
| ontologyst | I see. How about the addon CD? | 04:17 |
| ogra | so out of the box you can only server ppc clients with ppc | 04:18 |
| ogra | thats for addon edu apps | 04:18 |
| ontologyst | I see. Is there anyway to do it, though? | 04:18 |
| ogra | what you need to do is to build a client on an intel system like described in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall or use an edubuntu CD | 04:18 |
| ontologyst | I mean, connect the Intels to the PPC? | 04:18 |
| ogra | then copy the /opt/ltsp/i386 dir over to the ppc server | 04:19 |
| ogra | and the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 dir as well | 04:19 |
| ogra | that should suffice | 04:19 |
| ontologyst | Ogra, thanks a lot. I'll try that. | 04:20 |
| ogra | if you have probs just come back .... | 04:20 |
| stgraber | RichEd: pong | 04:26 |
| RichEd | stgraber: sorry ... in a meeting ... but ping expired ... thanks :) worked past the issue (hosting site) | 04:26 |
| ontologyst | Ogra: in the instructions in the page above, it says: You need to set up one static interface where you will attach the thin clients, install two packages and run one command. | 04:30 |
| ontologyst | Configure your spare interface for the thin clients to have the IP 192.168.0.1, then follow the instructions below. | 04:30 |
| ontologyst | Does it mean that I need to have to network cards? | 04:31 |
| ogra | no, ignore that for the intel build anyway | 04:31 |
| ogra | all you want is the two dirs ... | 04:31 |
| ogra | they are created by the ltsp-build-client command ... dont care about the rest | 04:31 |
| ontologyst | Got it. I'll try it. | 04:33 |
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| btwotch | hi, how does the authentification of the pupils work? | 05:27 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: heh, are all the Czech people going to get mad at you? | 07:49 |
| ogra | heh | 07:49 |
| ogra | i'll move it to the addon | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | what CD is oversized? | 07:49 |
| ogra | i386 server .... | 07:50 |
| ogra | by 1M | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | can we rename the CDs for gutsy? | 07:50 |
| ogra | silly but true | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | will a LiveCD get built for Tribe 2? | 07:50 |
| ogra | sure | 07:50 |
| ogra | its there already | 07:50 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20070626.1/ | 07:51 |
| ogra | feel free to test, i didnt yet | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | is there any progress for the "dude, where's my apps?" bug in the Desktop CD ? | 07:51 |
| ogra | nope, not yet, i didnt have time t talk to colin yet | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | k | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | rsyncing DesktopCD | 07:57 |
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| ontologist | Situation: I have an edubuntu classroom server running on an Intel server. One of my students just installed another classroom server on a PPC machine. I would like to have all clients authenticate to one LDAP server, perhaps on the Intel machine. Also, I would like to have the clients connected to the PPC server connect to the NFS on the Intel server. | 08:39 |
| ontologist | Question: What's the easiest way to go about doing this? | 08:40 |
| cliebow | ontologist, you might talk to my cohort jason ingalls at jingalls aaat ellsworthschools.org..he has ldap auth all worked out for our g4 ibooks | 08:45 |
| ontologist | Thanks cliebow | 08:47 |
| cliebow | 8~) | 08:47 |
| cliebow | i believe we just use a samba shaere to homedirs | 08:47 |
| ontologist | Another question: I think the PPC server is powerfull enough for all the clients. In this case I wouldn't need the Intel server. How do I migrate ldap configuration with the user accounts and the NFS directories? | 08:50 |
| cliebow | ppc server is running osx?..or ubuntu? | 08:50 |
| ontologist | edubuntu | 08:51 |
| cliebow | k..you can do a slapcat on your intelmachine..move that and do a slapadd on the ppc machine after slapd and ldapscrips and stuff are installed..t | 08:52 |
| cliebow | what are you using for adminning that dadtabase..that could be the real problem | 08:58 |
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| ontologist | do you mean use slapcat to copy archive everything on the intel machine, then move the archive to the ppc to unpack it? | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | ogra: my goodness, the DesktopCD is doing strange things in vmware | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | I'm gonna restart it | 09:05 |
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| LaserJock | but it was cycling: start gdm, wait 10 sec before ubuntu logs in, start login, X dies or gdm, repeat | 09:06 |
| cliebow | ontologist, slapcat will move your database..but you'll need the configs from your intelmachine as well.. | 09:08 |
| cliebow | the intel also ran ubuntu? | 09:08 |
| ontologist | yes | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | ogra: hmm, rebooted and still getting it. | 09:10 |
| ogra | LaserJock, known | 09:10 |
| ontologist | I am going to try this in the next few minutes | 09:10 |
| ogra | (see mvo's probs in -devel) | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't see this problem in -devel, but maybe it's earlier on | 09:13 |
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| rajkalyan | yo peoples | 10:41 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: so will there be a new DesktopCD to test for tribe 2? | 11:36 |
| crimsun | likely. I screwed up a PA merge. | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | if only that was the only issue ;-) | 11:37 |
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