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wfarrAnyone else noticing GNOME sometimes not logging in since today's updates?01:47
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Odd_BlokeHey guys, I'm running Xubuntu Tribe 1 and my entire X session seems to seize up every few minutes.  It responds only to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, I cannot even use Ctrl-Alt-Fn to analyse what's going on.  Any ideas as to what I can do to stop this?01:58
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pwnguinok, wacom-tools is screwy02:27
pwnguinyou'd think that the order of xsetwacom settings wouldn't matter02:27
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DigitalNinjaHas anyone installed Gutsy yet?03:44
MugginsMyes03:44
=== MugginsM runs it as his home desktop
DigitalNinjaWhat did you think?03:44
MugginsMit's been surprisingly stable for me so far :)03:44
DigitalNinjaNice!03:44
DigitalNinjaAny cool new features03:44
MugginsMnothing major that I've noticed yet, but I think there're quite a lot of cleanups under the hood03:45
DigitalNinjaThat's always nice03:45
DigitalNinjaWhat about multimedia codecs03:45
DigitalNinjaWere they easy to install03:45
MugginsMI don't know, I upgraded from Feisty where I have the Fluendo ones already03:46
DigitalNinjaFluendo?03:46
MugginsMcommercial codecs03:46
MugginsMhttp://www.fluendo.com/03:47
DigitalNinjaYou mean the non free03:47
DigitalNinjalet me check that out03:47
MugginsMyes03:47
MugginsMI still don't know how I feel about closed-source codecs03:48
DigitalNinjaIs this the w32codec etc...03:48
DigitalNinjaI'm confused03:48
MugginsMw32codecs are of unknown legal status I think03:48
DigitalNinjaTrue03:48
MugginsMin that they're probably ok if you have Windows, but maybe not03:48
MugginsMthe Fluendo ones are legal03:49
RAOFActually, I think their legal status is pretty clearly known, just that people want to use them :)03:49
DigitalNinjaThe developers just took the Windows dll's and made them work with Linux03:49
DigitalNinjaDid you pay for the Fluendo codecs?03:49
MugginsMI did, yes03:49
DigitalNinjaHow much03:51
DigitalNinjaThe website doesn't list a price03:52
MugginsMif you go to the web store. the prices are in euros03:52
bur[n] eris firefox broke for everyone?  I'm getting a segfault when i launch it03:53
MugginsMI don't watch all that much non-oss video, so I don't know how good they are, but I like to keep my machine as legal as possible :)03:53
DigitalNinjaI see03:53
MugginsMbur[n] er: works for me, as of a sync about 12 hours ago03:55
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hansin321Can anyone give me a quick pointer on how I can upgrade my Feisty install to Gutsy.  I think I do some sort of 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' but do I need to alter my repo sources list to call for Gutsy repos?  Thanks.06:21
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hansin321I want to see if I can help catch some bugs.  I have a triple-boot system, so I am aware this isn't for daily production use and can boot into other options.  I figure if I comment out all other partition to be mounted in my fstab I should be relatively safe that no harm would be done to them (since they won't be mounted).  But I am also awart there are no guarantees.06:23
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RAOFhansin321: So, you can either try "gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'", or "sudo sed -i s/feisty/gutsy/g /etc/apt/sources.list" followed by "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"06:40
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Jordan_UI am seeing comments about bcm43xx in the changes for restricted manager, does that mean that the legal issues of distributing broadcom firmware has been worked out?06:50
MugginsMthat'd be good, I'd be able to stop using OSX06:52
MugginsMbut seems unlikely ;)06:53
AmaranthMugginsM: err06:53
Amaranthbcm43xx has been usable for about a year now06:53
MugginsMnot on my powerbook06:53
Amaranthyou just have to install the firmware manually06:53
MugginsMwell, not without manually futzing around with firmware06:53
Amaranthwireless is not an excuse to keep using OS X :)06:53
Amaranthmanually futzing?06:53
MugginsMwith every freaking kernel upgrade06:53
Amaranthno, with ever kernel ABI change06:53
Amaranthevery*06:53
MugginsMwhich is basically every one :)06:54
hansin321RAOF: Thanks for upgrade info.06:54
Amaranthnot such a big deal in a released distro06:54
Amaranthand you can use bcm43xx-fwcutter to automate the whole thing06:55
MugginsMfrom Linux?06:56
Amaranthyes06:56
Amaranthwell, you'd have to hook up to ethernet to do the update06:56
MugginsMcos I used to have to use some dodgy looking tool in OSX to get the image and copy it over to Linux06:56
MugginsMwhich aside from being a nuisance, felt legally dodgy06:57
Amaranthoh, it's pretty legally dodgy06:58
MugginsMyeah, that's the problem06:58
Amaranthwell, the script to download the firmware automatically06:58
MugginsMI keep my computer as legal as possible06:58
Amaranthit's not illegal for you to use it, it's illegal for them to distribute it06:58
MugginsMI can't maintain the Superior Moral High Ground if I do that :)07:00
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calcMugginsM: you may be able to replace your card with a different one if it is minipci07:01
MugginsMI'm not spending any more on my powerbook, it's a tech dead end :(07:01
calcMugginsM: on the amd64 laptop i used to have i replaced it with an intel wireless since there were drivers for it07:01
calcit cost ~ $20-3007:01
MugginsMI'll just be a lot more careful with my next laptop07:01
calcpretty much all intel based laptops now use intel wireless, a few don't but they are fairly uncommon07:02
calcits required to get the centrino logo07:02
RAOFAnd it's nicely supported (in Ubuntu.  Less so in Debian)07:03
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MugginsMof course finding one with OSS video that can also play World of Warcraft is harder07:04
=== RAOF specifically searched for a laptop with ipw3945 card.
MugginsMmakes wireless pale in comparison :)07:04
calci got a relatively cheap laptop in early june with 394507:05
calctoshiba a205-4577 $750 usd07:05
=== DanaG DESPISES Toshiba keyboards.
calcDanaG: the arrow key location or something else?07:05
calcthe rest seems like the rest of the laptop keyboards i've seen in the past07:05
DanaGInsert and Delete are down where the right super and context-menu keys should be,07:06
DanaGand tilde is who-knows-where.07:06
calcon mine ins/del are in the upper right of the keyboard07:06
calcand tilde is in normal location on upper left07:06
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DanaGOh yeah, now HP offers even a 17" with choice of NVIDIA 8400 or 8600, or Intel IGP.07:06
DanaGPerhaps the same on 15.07:07
DanaGCore 2 Duo.07:07
calcHP's were significantly more money for the same specs07:07
DanaGBut I haven't a clue whether it has GbE.07:07
calcgot 15.4", Core 2 Duo 1.73GHz, 1GB DDR2-5300, 160GB HD, DVD-RW, webcam, intel wireless, intel video, firewire, etc07:08
calcdoesn't have GbE but i rarely have it hooked up to wired anyway07:08
Jordan_UMugginsM, Little late, but yeah, the package bcm43xx-fwcutter is perfectly legal, updates firmware automatically, and works with all PPC macs AFIK07:09
MugginsMcool, I'll try it out07:12
MugginsMthen all I'll need OSX for is driving projectors :)07:12
Jordan_UMugginsM, It is actually good to keep if for nothing other than Firmware upgrades, but the projector problem is being solved in Gutsy :)07:13
MugginsMcool, I can run Gutsy on it happily enough when my new work laptop arrives for Serious Stuff07:14
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=== DanaG dares you to try hot-swappable displays under Gutsy.
DanaGIt may actually work.07:16
MugginsMexcellent, I shall play with that07:16
DanaGIt works for me with nvidia, but it doesn't properly change resolution.07:16
DanaGs/works/almost works/07:16
MugginsMI teach Linux but since I can't drive the projector from it I have to give them examples using OSX07:16
RAOFIt seems to work just fine for me, with nvidia.07:16
DanaGI can only guess how Intel works.07:16
MugginsMwhich is fine for what I do, but a bit "impure"07:17
Jordan_UDanaG, Yea, I am having resolution problems also, I change it in the resolution preferences and it doesn't change07:17
DanaGTry nvidia-settings.07:17
RAOFIntel probably works better.  The intel drivers actually implement XRandR 1.2, right?07:17
RAOFWhich should mean real, standardised, hotplug07:18
=== DanaG wonders how well S3 Savage works in Gutsy.
DanaGI have an old laptop that I'm tempted to try it on.07:18
Jordan_UMugginsM, Run DSL or Debian ( something small ) in a VM07:18
MugginsMjordan: I had thought of that, but it looked too hard07:19
MugginsMwell, too much hassle07:19
MugginsM:)07:19
phini had a neomagic card on my old laptop and ran ubuntu07:19
Jordan_UMugginsM, Qemu is easy07:19
MugginsMyeah07:19
Jordan_USllllloooooowwwww, but easy :)07:19
phinbut i would recommend a debian install, even as far as going with an old version and just using the packages.  sometimes the speed of older versions of software is great then security shit for just general use07:20
MugginsMwork's getting me an intel macbook soon so I'll just wait for that07:20
MugginsMI prefer PPC but it's just too much hassle nowadays getting stuff to run07:20
Jordan_UMugginsM, The macbooks run great, be sure to use the instructions @ http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Macbook07:21
DanaGInstead of Qemu, try Virtualbox.07:22
DanaGIf there's an OS X host app.07:22
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MugginsMa big part of the reason I bought it was so I could run Linux and still use Keynote07:23
DanaGMOL>07:23
DanaG?07:23
Jordan_UMac on linux07:23
MugginsMMac-On-Linux, lets you run OSX in a vm07:23
MugginsMunder Linux07:23
Jordan_UOnly PPC07:24
DanaGI doubt I'll ever get an Apple PC.  I just don't like some stuff they do.07:24
=== MugginsM nods
MugginsMthe only thing worse than an Apple laptop is pretty much every other laptop out there :)07:25
DanaGOne button touchpad?  Ugh.  Line-out on microphone pin?  Can't use standard video card (for desktop)?07:25
MugginsMah yeah, the one button thing is a killer07:25
DanaGResize only from lower-right corner -- WTF?07:25
DanaGEven Windows bugs me in that way -- have to go to titlebar or border, not just alt-drag.07:25
MugginsMmake nice Linux machines though07:25
phinthinkpads for the win07:25
phinalthough this 400$ dell i currently mostly use isnt bad07:26
MugginsMI'd be happier with PC laptops if it was easier to get them without paying MS07:26
MugginsMoops, hometime07:26
DanaGHP Business machines let you choose FreeDOS -- and subtract about $160 for it.07:26
phinDanaG: nice07:26
DanaGBut..... most have ATI, not NVIDIA.07:26
DanaGOr they might have Intel.07:26
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DanaGs/don't bother....../everybody else sucks/07:28
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budluvais anyone aware of a pidgin/msn problem with file transfers? i get less than 1k/sec from a windows msn machine to a ubuntu pidgin machine, but im on my laptop now in xp and the transfer is well over 100k/sec07:30
DanaGUPnP issues, perhaps?07:31
budluvahrmm havent dug to far into it07:32
budluvacould be07:32
budluvajust wondering if it was a known issue first07:32
Hobbseecome on X.  please show where your error is.07:44
Hobbseeplease build.07:44
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Jordan_UI am seeing comments about bcm43xx in the changes for restricted manager, does that mean that the legal issues of distributing broadcom firmware has been worked out?07:46
RAOFI think it's now able to auto-run the bcmfirmware-cutter thingy.  I'm not sure how that relates to what you're asking, though, since we already have the firmware-cutter in the repository.07:48
Jordan_URAOF, I am basically wondering if it install bcm43xx-fwcutter when it detects a broadcom card07:49
RAOFDunno.  I just remember a discussion about having restricted-manager able to deal with fwcutter.07:50
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crimsunpackages using gtkmm2.4 and glademm2.4 libs will continue to be broken for a bit longer as we chug through some rebuilds08:06
RAOFYay.08:12
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AmaranthRAOF: it still needs the firmware08:13
AmaranthRAOF: it won't run the auto-download script08:13
Amaranthyou give it a windows driver, it installs the firmware08:13
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DShepherdwill gutsy use grub2 or grub legacy?08:40
crimsunthe latter.08:42
crimsunthus far, that is.08:42
crimsungrub2's still in universe, which precludes its use by default.08:42
Amaranthi think grub2 needs a couple more years08:43
RAOFNo one wants an experimental bootloader :)08:43
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=== Dannilion thinks it's time to break her computer :p
axxogl12:41
Dannilionthanks12:41
DannilionIf I don't have the broken kernal problems I had with feisty herd 1, I will be very happy :p12:42
Dannilionif I do, that's what live cd's are for :p12:42
jussi01:P12:44
jussi01Dannilion: I suggest you wait for trib 2 though, its only a few days away12:44
DannilionI'm too inpatient :p12:45
DannilionAlso, I want things to fix12:45
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jussi01hehe, ok12:45
jussi01Dannilion: although they will be looking for tribe 2 cd testers though..12:46
DannilionI hope to have my laptop soon. I will test tribe 2 on that :)12:47
jussi01:912:47
Dannilionam I the only person who keeps typing gusty instead of gutsy?12:49
_4strOyop yop12:50
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Ind[y] So, when will compiz(-fusion) be the default Window Manager?01:00
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PiciI think I saw something in a changelog saying that compiz was moving to be default...01:06
Ind[y] Pici: so, in the next release?01:10
Ind[y] in Gutsy compiz will be default?01:10
PiciInd[y] : I'm trying to find where I saw it, but it was definitly in a changelog in gutsy.01:11
Ind[y] Pici: ok :-)01:13
Ind[y] Pici: If you find it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me.01:13
PiciInd[y] : http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-session/gnome-session_2.19.4-0ubuntu2/changelog01:15
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Ind[y] Pici: thx01:31
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Picino... problem.01:31
PiciOh well.01:31
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shirishAny grub2 experts out here?03:49
shirishActually not even experts, anybody who has used grub2 for quite some time & is familiar with it03:50
coNP!ask03:50
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)03:50
shirishCoNP: I am not able to see the new kernel even though have upgraded & done sudo update-grub in grub menu (grub2) actually03:51
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shirishI have posted all the details in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2916119 perhaps somebody can look at it and tell me if its something I have not done , otherwise why should it show only 1 kernel.03:54
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shirishcome on guys, somebody please tell me , is  this a bug or not or something I need to try to do ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=291611904:03
shirishI updated grub2 info. if that will benefit somebody04:03
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jussi01shirish: I actually have a similar problem, but on grub, I fixed it by doing a full grub config...04:10
jussi01ie. sudo grub, root (hd0,1), setup (hd,0) quit04:11
shirishjussi01: hmm..... , I dunno what the equivalent commands on grub 2 might be & would they respond the same way04:12
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jussi01shirish: I imagine they will be the same, but you could always man grub204:12
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shirishjussi01: also why root(hd0,1),setup(hd,0) are different?04:13
shirishI mean the difference between hd0,1 and hd,004:13
jussi01shirish: you are telling it the root partition, then telling it to search th whole hdd and set it up...04:14
shirishlol, there is no man for grub204:14
jussi01heh...04:14
gnomefreakshirish: once installed there should be a man page for it04:15
shirishgnomefreak: exactly, there is not04:15
shirishnow forums are off-line04:15
jussi01shirish: you sure you have the package name correct?04:15
gnomefreakshirish: than i wouldnt use it yet04:15
shirishjussi01: should it not be man grub204:16
gnomefreaksometime after this meeting i will ask about it04:16
shirishI even tried grub & still no manual entry04:16
shirishgnomefreak: thanx :)04:16
gnomefreakshirish: try man grub204:16
shirishI mean tried man grub & still no manual entry04:16
gnomefreakshirish: man grub has a man page04:16
shirishgnomefreak: tried both variations grub as well as grub204:17
shirishgnomefreak: I had to remove grub , there is conflict between grub & grub204:17
gnomefreakGRUB(8)                               FSF                              GRUB(8)04:17
gnomefreakNAME grub - the grub shell04:17
shirishI did this about a month back04:17
shirishubotu paste04:17
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)04:17
jussi01heh, there is a debian bug... http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-grub-devel/2005-October/001136.html04:18
gnomefreakshirish: thats 2 lines04:18
shirishjussi01: thanx, atleast we know that there is no documentation.04:18
shirishjussi01: but that bug is almost 1 yr. some months old, cannot believe nobody has put any documentation for it till now04:19
shirishjussi01: no wonder people are not using grub204:20
jussi01heh04:20
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shirishmake that the bug is 1 yr. 9 months old04:20
jussi01wow...04:20
shirishjussi01: here is the actual bug-report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=33351604:22
ubotuDebian bug 333516 in grub2 "grub2: no man pages for grub-setup, grub-emu, grub-mkimage" [Normal,Open] 04:22
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shirishah nice, ubotu now understands debian bug reports :P04:23
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nerdygirl_ellieGood Morning!  Is there any immediate reason I shouldn't start playing with Gutsy on my test boxes?  I.e. anything completely broken?04:25
shirishnerdygirl_ellie: not to my knowledge, everything is pretty cool, except for GRUB2 (but that is not in the default install) .04:26
jussi01nerdygirl_ellie: if you are going to use kubuntu its trashed because of an adept bug...04:27
jussi01shirish: bingo! http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList04:27
shirishjussi01: thanx, looking at it.04:27
Hobbseejussi01: it's not anymore04:28
Hobbseejussi01: knetworkmanager's a bit trashed, though04:28
Hobbseeatm04:28
jussi01Hobbsee: hooray!04:28
jussi01:D04:28
jussi01oh...04:28
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Hobbseejussi01: testing images "soon"04:29
jussi01soon... so about 3 weeks?04:29
shirishjussi01: can you make some post somewhere about doing sudo grub , root (hd0,1), setup (hd,0) & quit, the procedure you followed04:30
jussi01shirish: why? its on the forums like 20 times...04:30
shirishjussi01: the reason is I will be doing this the first time & root has been replaced by something else in grub 204:30
Hobbseejussi01: nah.   depends how long the network mangler fixes take to get in.  should be a amtter of hours04:30
jussi01Hobbsee: hooray!! let me know if you are still up/up again when it happens :D04:31
shirishjussi01: ok, in that case any idea what should I be using as a keyword to find posts on this , just GRUB install or something else?04:31
jussi01!grub04:32
Hobbseejussi01: will do04:32
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto04:32
jussi01Hobbsee: thanks :D04:32
jussi01shirish: that first link has it all04:33
nerdygirl_ellieThanks!  The feedback I have from my former windows users on feisty has been good, but we really need to wrap a GUI around the every-30-remount fsck.04:35
nerdygirl_ellieThere is a target for this in Gutsy, but it's not explicit.04:35
jussi01nerdygirl_ellie: well get to work then :P04:36
wfarrHobbsee, "network mangler" haha04:38
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Hobbseewfarr: :)04:39
Hobbseenerdygirl_ellie: i believe that's planned.04:39
wfarrI'm hoping that newest NM will let the rt73usb connect finally04:40
jussi01Hobbsee: do you know if it is planned to fix the simultaneous connections bu on NM?04:41
Hobbseejussi01: for tribe 2?  i doubt it04:42
Hobbseejussi01: upstream gnome might at some point - no idea.04:42
jussi01Hobbsee: for gutsy....04:42
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Hobbseejussi01: then see the second answer04:42
jussi01sad...04:42
Hobbseejussi01: as in, canonical people dont tend to work on network manager, nor do ubuntu people, so i dont know.04:46
jussi01Hobbsee: ahhhh...04:46
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elkbuntuso, harrass gnome and see if you get the linus treatment ;)04:48
coNP:D04:48
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shirishelkbuntu: nice04:49
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Hobbseeyay, killed 8 bugs.04:49
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wfarrand they're back04:50
jussi01Hobbsee: NICE work!!04:50
wfarrso what's this new feature? >_>04:50
jussi01wfarr: new feature?04:50
wfarryeah04:50
wfarrUbuntu Forums were offline for adding some new feature or other04:51
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Hobbseejussi01: :)04:51
jussi01Hobbsee: is that smile about this: https://isotesting.stgraber.org/04:52
jussi01??04:52
Hobbseejussi01: no, it's about [00:50]  <jussi01> Hobbsee: NICE work!!04:52
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jussi01oh... :D04:52
jussi01gnomefreak: are you involved with NM at all?04:52
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gnomefreakno thank god but itsw being fixed as we speak04:53
gnomefreak-w04:53
PiciWhich? What?04:53
coNPnew nm upload in gutsy some minutes ago04:53
coNPI guess gnomefreak thought of that04:53
coNPwrong guess?04:53
gnomefreakcoNP: the last bit to fix is a depend issue afaik04:54
jussi01gnomefreak: I was wondering about when they would fix the simultaneous connections problem...04:54
gnomefreakjussi01: new upload will fix it04:54
jussi01gnomefreak: excelent!!!04:54
jussi01:D04:54
gnomefreakbbs04:54
shirishguys are you guys able to post in the forums?04:55
coNPI guess everyone can post in the forums04:55
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Hobbseeshirish: btw, there's an #ubuntuforums irc channel too04:55
PiciHobbsee: I know, I dont have enough time to do both04:56
shirishHobbsee: yes, know04:56
shirishI know04:56
coNPshirish: look out, you should greet them with <html>!04:56
shirishlemme see if i have still trouble then will trouble the gorums guys04:56
shirishcoNP: wish I knew <html>! in detail :P04:57
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shirishguys have updated the thread with as much as info. as possible in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=291645005:48
shirishanybody has any ideas what could be wrong, its the new kernel not showing in grub menu, they are welcome to do add to it.05:48
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budluva_is kde4 in the repos as of now or is it going to be for05:59
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budluva_+105:59
askandwill compiz-fusion be default in gutsy?06:00
budluva_+1 will ship with 3.5 but will 4 be available06:00
budluva_askand, yes it is06:00
askandbudluva_: so I will get compiz-fusion with just one click in gutsy?06:03
shirishaskand: should be , right now it needs a workaround.06:04
shirishbut that is if you have compiz as in tribe 1. tribe 2 should have compiz-fusion by default perhaps06:04
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PiciThere was something in the gnome-session changelog the other day that said that it was changing the default window manager to compiz.  I dont have any other details than that though.06:14
Hobbseebudluva_: that's hte plan @ kde, yes.06:18
budluva_so is kde4 in the repos now for the beta? or do we wait until gutsy release for kde4 to be in the repos?06:19
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Picibudluva_: I see a whole bunch of kde4 packages in the gutsy repos, but I'm a gnome user and I'm not sure whats what.06:22
Toma-its all alpha stuff06:22
Toma-kde4 backends and friends. the good stuff is still to come and may be released during gutsy's life so its all there to support it, afaik06:23
budluva_has plasma been implemented yet?06:26
Tm_Tyes, partly06:28
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budluva_hrmm06:30
budluva_cool06:30
Tm_TKool!06:30
budluva_waiting for kde4, i've been a gnome fan for all my linux endevours, kde4 might be when i switch :P06:30
budluva_but probably not :P06:31
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askandbudluva_:  whats plasma?06:36
Tm_T!plasma06:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about plasma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:38
Tm_T!kde406:38
ubotuFor information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org06:38
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coNPinkscape is br0ken :(07:20
Piciis it? /me checks07:20
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coNPPici: it is07:22
HobbseecoNP: fix it :)07:22
coNPbug 12229907:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122299 in inkscape "[gutsy]  inkscape doesn't start, doesn't invoke apport" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12229907:22
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Piciundefined symbol..07:24
coNPPici: sure see my pbuilder log07:24
PicicoNP: I'm looking now.  Nothing I'll be able to do about it but whatever.07:26
Picihmm07:26
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gnomefreakcoNP: you know apport is not set up to show dialog yet07:30
coNPgnomefreak: the problem is not with apport, but with gtkmm vs. inkscaspe07:30
coNPinkscape07:30
gnomefreak doesn't start, doesn't invoke apport"07:30
coNPokay I'll edit description07:31
gnomefreakpart of bug i was referring to07:31
PiciI admit, the title is a bit misleading07:31
coNPapport is not interesting for me :)07:31
gnomefreakit works just doesnt show dialog yet07:31
gnomefreakhe should still have a /var/crash file if crashed07:32
PiciI dont see one..07:33
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gnomefreakwho tried building it?07:33
PicicoNP did.  Does it not log a crash report if its running a binary? Excuse my ignorance, trying to learn as I go.07:35
gnomefreakthis looks like a gcc problem, i would have to look at debian bug again but i wasnt having teh bug in ubuntu :(07:35
coNPgnomefreak: seems a glibmm/gtkmm and not a gcc problem for me07:35
gnomefreak/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu  same error that iceape gives when built on debian07:36
lucasvoI tried out compiz on my thinkpad and it has a couple of problems07:36
lucasvoI think I can describe the problem best if I can paste a screenshot somewhere07:36
coNPgnomefreak: read to the end, it ends with "libgtkmm-2.4.so" :)07:36
lucasvowhere can I paste screenshot?07:37
gnomefreakcoNP: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inkscape/+bug/122299/comments/4  where do you see that07:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122299 in inkscape "[gutsy]  inkscape doesn't start" [Medium,Confirmed] 07:38
gnomefreakcoNP: parts you pasted to bug diesnt show that07:38
gnomefreakdoesnt07:38
gnomefreaklibgtkmm-2.4.so07:39
gnomefreaknvm i see it07:39
coNPlibinkpre.a(event-log.o): In function `TreeModelColumn':07:39
coNP/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4/gtkmm/treemodelcolumn.h:140: undefined reference to `Gtk::TreeModelColumnBase::TreeModelColumnBase(unsigned long)'07:39
coNPokay, no more paste :)07:39
coNPit is a nice API change07:39
coNPjust before tribe207:39
coNPnot very nice, I have to say...07:39
gnomefreakcoNP: is this same version in unstable?07:40
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gnomefreakand does it build on debian07:41
=== coNP does not know
gnomefreaki do07:41
gnomefreak0.45.1-1 is version right?07:41
coNPwe have gtkmm_1.2.10-8ubuntu1 and inkscape_0.45.1-1ubuntu307:42
coNPwhat is gtkmm in sid?07:42
gnomefreakits not07:42
gnomefreaknot unless its a different name07:42
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coNPsorry, it is gtkmm2.007:43
gnomefreak1.2.10-807:43
gnomefreaklibgtkmm-dev07:43
coNPso what we need is gtkmm2.0, what is 2.2.12-2ubuntu1 in gutsy07:43
gnomefreakthere is no gtkmm in sid07:43
coNP(gtkmm is still gtk1)07:43
coNPand gtkmm2.0?07:44
gnomefreakhttp://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/59058707:44
gnomefreakthats from apt-cache search gtkmm in sid07:45
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RainCTHi07:45
coNPgnomefreak: can you please tell what "apt-cache showsrc gtkmm2.0" says?07:45
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gnomefreakPackage: gtkmm2.007:46
gnomefreakBinary: libgtkmm2.0-1c2a, libgtkmm2.0-doc, libgtkmm2.0-dev07:46
RainCTis it possible to download any newer CD than tribe 1 (daily builds or something)?07:46
gnomefreakcoNP: building on a package not the binary?07:46
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gnomefreakcoNP: if glib is still messed up that could be the cause of the failure07:48
coNPoh it is rebuilt since07:48
gnomefreakglib?07:48
gnomefreaklets see :)07:49
coNPgnomefreak: it seems to be already taken care of07:49
gnomefreakyep its been fixed07:49
gnomefreakcoNP: did you try to rplace libgtkmm-2.4-dev with libgtkmm2.0-dev see if it builds?07:51
coNPoh you might be right, I should get gtkmm2.4 instead07:51
coNPthanks gnomefreak07:51
gnomefreakyw07:51
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gnomefreakcoNP: it seems sid depends on all of them07:54
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coNPI bet it will solve this issue07:54
gnomefreakwhat were you building it against?07:55
gnomefreakbtw apport gets enabled in tribe 2 :)07:55
coNPlibgtkm-2.4-dev <not the latest ubuntu>07:55
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gnomefreakrunning it as well while im gone07:57
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coNPhow can I free the fish?08:36
coNPI mean kill the freed fish?08:36
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freepenguinhello everybody08:44
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Pici`Well this is odd.  apport keeps alerting me that totem is crashing... except I'm not using totem.08:49
Pici`ooh...08:49
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Anton99hi people if i'm downloading Ubuntu 7.10, all time fails md5-summing... wtf? i'm downloading it with KGet08:49
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Pici`Looks like its grabbing everything in /var/crash/ since the last time it was cleared.08:52
Tm_TPici: where he is?08:58
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PiciTm_T: Where what is?09:04
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PiciDid http://archive.canonical.com gutsy-commercial stop working for anyone besides me? Or has it never worked and this is the first time I'm noticing it?09:11
DanaGThere is no gutsy-commercial.09:13
DanaGhttp://archive.canonical.com/dists/09:13
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PiciDanaG: Yes. I know.09:19
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PriceChild*gets fed up with lack of working rt2500 in gutsy and goes in search of what's not working*10:03
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jussi01nice work PriceChild10:03
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PriceChildjussi01, have you got one?10:05
jussi01PriceChild: thankfully no... :D10:05
PriceChildhehe they're not that bad :P10:05
PriceChildThey "work".10:05
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wfarrI've got rt73usb10:06
wfarrwhich is a mess in its own right10:06
gnomefreakPriceChild: did you read teh topic in -kernel?10:06
wfarrI'm _still_ using the Legacy rt73 stuff because, contrary to the other lucky folks, rt73usb only selectively hates my device and not theirs -_-10:07
PriceChildgnomefreak, hmm?10:07
gnomefreakPriceChild: Latest news: -rt and -xen kernels removed,10:07
PriceChildgnomefreak, realtime and xen... why? :S10:07
gnomefreakthats why rt2500 is borked10:07
PriceChildno...10:07
wfarr...10:07
PriceChildthat's not rt2x00 drivers10:07
wfarrindeed10:07
gnomefreakoh real time10:07
gnomefreaknvm10:07
PriceChildhehe thanks anyway :)10:07
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PriceChildhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/118205 is activish... but is about rt61... lots about rt2500 thuogh10:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118205 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Gutsy kernel 2.6.22-5-generic missing rt61 module" [High,Incomplete] 10:08
wfarrPriceChild, if you're feeling adventurous, I'd totally dig (working) rt73usb in Gutsy10:08
wfarr>_>10:08
wfarr=P10:08
PriceChildwfarr, dude I'm never gonna be able to do anything like that :P10:08
PriceChildI'm struggling to get a package into universe.10:09
wfarrhahaha10:09
PriceChildJust got gizmod rejected from the NEW queue :( Will fix that this week and resubmit it :D10:09
wfarrit's frustrating as hell - I was excited that current kernel can actually build the rt2x00 stuff without patching10:09
wfarrand while it all builds, rt73usb driver selectively hates my device :x10:09
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PriceChild*wonders whether to build the rt stuff himself just for the new kernel*10:10
wfarrrt2x00 uses the new wireless stack in 2.6.22, so you could build it10:10
wfarrthey've got a CVS snapshot that seems to work for some folks10:10
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compengiwith what data base program can i open .dbs files if openoffice doesn't open them?10:13
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DanaGhttp://www.XLhost.de is not a valid address.  What a way to get traffic -- spam people with invalid characters.10:21
DanaG <=== namely, that thing.10:21
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=== KjetilK_ wonders a bit about the status of the iwlwifi driver in gutsy
KjetilK_when I search for it using http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=iwlwifi&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=gutsy&arch=i38610:40
KjetilK_it seems only the microcode is in there10:41
KjetilK_many more hits with the same query against feisty10:41
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=== Dannilion wonders if being on Gutsy means her Second Life will work with sound
crimsunkinda difficult to guess.11:04
crimsunCan you describe what SL uses as its sound API?11:04
crimsunadditionally what sound hardware you have?11:04
Dannilionit was broken with ALSA11:04
DannilionCMedia sound card, or a generic usb soundcard (that I can't remember what it was)11:05
DannilionI will try with the next update, which I'm currently downloading11:06
crimsunthere is an integrated C-Media audio device that appears as a USB audio one.11:06
gnomefreakcrimsun: ty for the responce on the notification11:06
crimsungnomefreak: I've also pointed you to the relevant alsa-lib bug.  It's too late to address for Tribe 2, but I'll pour the resources I can into making it more friendly for Tribe 3.11:07
DannilionI have two soundcards, both have problems. The built in c-media one, and a usb one11:07
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gnomefreakcrimsun: yes i saw it thank you11:07
DannilionI really should get a decent soundcard. Any suggestions?11:07
crimsunDanaG: I'll punt pa* tonight now that libgtkmm2.4 et al. are rebuilt correctly.11:08
crimsunDanaG: can you describe what "problems" these are, or better yet, point to bugs you've filed using Launchpad?11:08
crimsunsorry, not DanaG11:08
crimsunDannilion: can you describe what "problems" these are, or better yet, point to bugs you've filed using Launchpad?11:08
DannilionI've not yet, as I think it's a Second Life problem11:09
Dannilionbut Second Life freezes on login, and looking at it in Konsole says it's ALSA causing it. Telling it not to use ALSA means it works11:10
DanaGaah, incorrect tab-complete.11:10
crimsunDannilion: please file a bug and assign it to me.11:11
Dannilionokay11:11
crimsunthe proper source package is alsa-lib11:11
Dannilionokay11:11
crimsunalternately, you can assign it to ubuntu-audio, but it doesn't matter.  I end up doing all the work regardless.11:11
Dannilion:)11:11
Dannilion(of course, the problem only occurs about 3/4 times :p11:12
Danniliontypical, it's working now11:15
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jussi01is tribe 2 out yet?11:50
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gnomefreakjussi01: no later this week12:03
gnomefreaktopic will have it in it12:03
jussi01ok12:04
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gnomefreakPriceChild: are you still here for a question or 3?12:10
PriceChildyeah sure12:11
PriceChildbtw compiz fusion is aceness12:11
gnomefreakis compiz enabled in gutsy by default?12:11
wfarrgnomefreak, they're shooting for Tribe 2, yeah12:11
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wfarrsome things, like Compiz by default session, are currently working for folks who can support it12:12
crimsunby default?  Only for Intel-based ones AFAIK.12:12
gnomefreakwfarr: well that would explain why its crashing12:12
gnomefreakhint i didnt enable it and its crashing12:12
wfarrgnomefreak, there have been some session issues as part of the wrapper12:12
wfarrlike, I have to initiate a login, wait about 20 secs, then restart GDM from tty112:12
wfarrand then I can login properly12:13
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crimsungnomefreak: Intel-based video?12:13
gnomefreakcrimsun: nvidia12:13
crimsunhmm.12:13
crimsunn/m then.12:13
wfarrgnomefreak, official or nv drivers?12:13
gnomefreakofficial12:13
wfarrafaik, you could probably run 1-2 commands that should enable the right stuff for Compiz to run, so you could login and disable it12:14
wfarrnot sure what they are though12:14
wfarrI'm Radeon user12:14
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gnomefreakwfarr: oh i can disable it but i need to know if its on by default12:14
wfarrit is as of current updates, yes12:14
wfarrmvo and Amaranth are working hard on it =)12:15
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gnomefreakwfarr: they said the crashing was fixed with the packages released about 15 minutes ago12:23
wfarrit likely is ;)12:23
gnomefreaklets see if freezing stopped12:23
wfarrI've not rebooted since12:23
wfarrsure - I'll reboot12:23
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wfarrgnomefreak, yeah they fix the login bug for me12:26

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