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FujitsuI'm not brave enough to try root on LVM on crypto in a development release, though.12:15
TheMusook sounds good. Looks like I'll make the change when tribe 2 comes out.12:16
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NgStevenK: thanks for the tip, dpatch-edit-patch is very cool :)12:28
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Ngwe'll ignore the fact that the patch I'm using is complete junk ;)12:28
TheMuso{dpatch,cdbs}-edit-patch both rock.12:28
TheMusoOr whatever the cdbs simple patchsys one is called.12:29
TheMusoRevu. Like using dial-up again.12:38
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calcTheMuso: ouch, dialup, i remember that from the 80-90s ;)12:50
TheMusocalc: I was on dial-up from 1997-2004.12:51
TheMusoAnd most of that was 28.9.12:51
TheMuso28.8 even12:51
calci got my first faster than dialup in early 199812:51
calcof course that was because i worked for a telco12:51
calcgot free isdn then later dsl12:51
TheMusonice.12:51
calcwhen i stopped working there in late 2002 i actually had to pay for broadband and it was slower than what i got free, heh12:52
calci had fullrate adsl for free while i worked there which was 8Mbps in theory, actual download speeds were in the high 5Mbps range12:53
calcvery useful for my Debian KDE work12:53
calci think uploads were around 640Kbps12:53
calcmaintaining large packages over dialup would be very painful12:54
crimsunI use a shell myself.12:54
calcits going to take over 12m just to download the source of oo.o on broadband here12:55
crimsuncome next week, however, I'll hopefully have fios, but I'm not too sure about that.  Cable will suffice.12:55
calchmm how fast is fios there?12:55
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crimsunno idea, I'm on 56kbps dialup, so anything's going to be faster.12:55
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calccrimsun: yea i hear fios is much faster than even cable/adsl in design anyway, so should help you out a lot01:00
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calccrimsun: whether they actually let you do something useful with that speed though is a question01:01
TheMusoWhat is fios?01:01
calclol01:02
calccrimsun: I believe running xserver-xgl on gentoo for a samba server is the bestest thing evar.01:02
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calcTheMuso: fiber to the curb01:02
TheMusoAh.01:02
calcTheMuso: well it expands to something else but that is the gist01:02
=== TheMuso would love to see that in the broadband backwater that is Australia.
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calcTheMuso: where you pay per byte... that wouldn't be too much good would it? ;)01:05
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TheMusocalc: From what I have read from some people commenting about net usage in general, there is a prediction that the whole world will eventually be paying for the quota they use in some way or another. unlimited is not sustainable long term.01:05
calcwell at least at the time i was working for the telco/isp average utilization was so low that there was no need01:07
TheMusoYeah.01:07
calcthings may have changed since then but even at that time .au had major caps on bandwidth usage01:07
TheMusoBut times ar echanging, with more content going online.01:07
calciirc the average usage even for dsl was in the low 10s of kbps, less than what a dialup user could do01:08
TheMusocalc: Its actually not bad once you get used to it. Our biggest problem is our monopolistic telco.01:08
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calcwe had whole neighborhoods on a single backend T101:10
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TheMusoWow.01:10
calcseveral years ago a 10Mbps unlimited connection could be had for (iirc) $3K/mo for providers01:10
calcso per GB charges would need to be pretty low to be reasonable01:10
TheMusoWell a majority of our traffic is not local, so we have to pay for the long pipes somehow.01:11
calcyea that is true01:11
calchmm at those old prices (dunno what current are) its ~ $1/GB so I guess that was still kinda expensive01:13
calcfor the provider i mean01:14
calcso they can't afford for lots of users to be using several hundred GB/mo01:14
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TheMusokeescook: Thanks for cleaning up ubuntu-{sync,cd}. I mean to rework them more so soon, but thats a good start.01:14
calcbut if you actually set the cap to say 50GB/mo you average usage will be much lower than that so you end up making a fairly large profit01:14
TheMusoyeah.01:15
ajmitchsince then, we've seen things like bittorrent & youtube & various other things come along01:15
keescookTheMuso: sure!  I was in there doing work anyway, figured I'd poke around at it.  :)01:15
TheMusoI actually think once they are reworked more, that they would be useful scripts for testers.01:15
TheMusoSave them the hastle of worrying about how to rsync images.01:16
calcajmitch: yea average usage has likely increased a bit especially with the combination of things like youtube and myspace01:16
TheMusoajmitch: He don't remind me. Internode recently hiked prices, claiming such reasons for doing so.01:17
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pygibashelier, around?01:20
ajmitchcalc: please don't swear01:21
nixternalajmitch: how is myspace swearing? everyone has found your account ont here :)01:22
ajmitchnixternal: you must be thinking of hobbsee's myspace page01:24
ajmitchhttp://myspace.com/creamier_oak01:24
StevenKOh twitch.01:25
StevenKI don't even need to see it to remember my eyes bleeding.01:25
ajmitchhah01:25
calcajmitch: er i'm confused, or blind, did i swear?01:26
calcthat page is scary01:27
ajmitchcalc: the m word01:27
calcoh ok01:27
ajmitchthe page isn't as scary as its owner01:27
TheMusolol01:28
calcalmost as scary as the size of the ooo diff.gz01:30
calc73018011 for dapper01:30
StevenKYowch!01:30
ajmitchoh dear01:30
StevenKHow the heck is it 73Mb?01:31
calcooo=build dir is 313mb01:31
TheMusoouch01:31
TheMusoBut OoO is a beast.01:31
TheMusoI'll bet there is a lot of optimization that oculd be done to it.01:32
TheMusocould be01:32
calcbbl01:32
nixternalajmitch: gahahahahahahaha! why did she do that?01:32
StevenKln -s /usr/bin/oowriter latex01:32
nixternalmy lord, it made me feel like I was at a greatful dead concert01:33
StevenKnixternal: She got strongarmed into creating it, and wanted to make it as irritating as possible.01:33
StevenKI think she was sucessful.01:33
nixternalwell, she accomplished her goal01:33
ajmitchwith style01:34
nixternalhehe, and a pony!01:34
pygibashelier, do poke me when you're around01:34
bashelierpygi: I'm always around :p01:34
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pygibashelier, I poked you a while back, and you werent :P01:34
bashelieromg01:35
pygibashelier, as I hear you have ppc/sparc available?01:35
LaserJockwhat's a good way of stripping off the last character in a string in a bash script?01:35
StevenKThere's a few ways. cut springs to mind01:36
StevenKAs does sed01:36
bashelierpygi: a sparc, but it doesn't work anymore for now... I'm trying to get it working again :/ Is it about brasero ?01:36
pygibashelier, yes, again! :P01:36
bashelier^^01:36
pygiI have a feeling second upload will fail *again*, but I think I've got it now01:36
bashelierpygi: we could try a cross compiler for a first test01:36
pygithis time I check tho :P01:36
StevenKAs does bash ${} expansion01:36
pygibashelier, later on today, thanks. it's 1:37AM, and I am going crazy entire day over k3b and brasero01:37
LaserJockStevenK: thanks, I couldn't figure out how to do it easily with cut01:37
LaserJockbash expansion might be the way to go01:37
bashelierpygi: np, sweet dreams ;)01:37
StevenKLaserJock: The problem with cut is you need to count. var2=$(echo $var | cut -b1-$(echo $var | wc -c))01:37
pygibashelier, no sleeping yet01:38
pygibashelier, gotta be sure if it'll fail (and it will :P)01:38
StevenKErr, $(($(echo $var | wc -c) - 1))01:38
pygibashelier, and I have an exam in 6 hours, so .. not sure I should sleep :P01:38
bashelier^^01:38
StevenKLaserJock: Clear as mud? :-)01:38
LaserJockStevenK: sure ;-)01:40
ajmitchor the other answer - "Use python"01:40
StevenKLaserJock: Okay, I have a snippet with cut I can pastebin.01:40
pygibashelier, wake me up when it reports failure pls :P01:40
bashelierpygi: will do01:41
ajmitchvar="foobar"; python -c"print '${var}'[:-1] "01:41
StevenK$(echo $var | cut -b1-$(($(echo $var | wc -c) - 2)))01:42
StevenKThat's much more fun!01:42
ajmitchI'm sure it is01:42
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calcback01:43
LaserJockhmm01:44
LaserJockwell, this is supposed to go into a package so it it'd be nice if it was clean01:45
LaserJockI suppose it's not being used at build time so it shouldn't matter a whole lot actually01:46
LaserJockStevenK: that seems to work just fine01:47
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pygibashelier, it started building!!!02:00
bashelierpygi: yep, I've noticed that :)02:01
pygibashelier, fail on ppc/sparc tho :-/02:01
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pygiwhich I kindof assumed, but it's still evil =)02:01
pygibashelier, rock on, I managed to break even i386 build xD02:03
bashelier^^'02:03
bashelier./scsi/scsi-get-configuration.h:864: error: expected ',', ';' or '}' before 'uchar'02:03
pygiyea, well, lol anyway02:04
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bashelierlooks like you'll have to check the #ifdef sources :p02:04
pygibashelier, no, I refuse02:04
pygiI've got better idea02:04
pygibashelier, you get your sparc up02:05
bashelierpygi: can't do that right for now, sorry, to noisy, and there are a few people sleeping in this house :)02:05
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bashelierpygi: but I can set up a chroot with a cross compilier, and see if we get the same error02:06
pygibashelier, sure, please do so02:08
bashelierpygi: currently debootstraping ;)02:08
bashelierpygi: just a short question... did you try to build latest upload in a pbuilder before uploading ?02:10
pygibashelier, ergh, no. that was indeed my fault02:11
pygibut ergh02:11
pygiI know the problem anyway02:11
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nixternalhola jsgotangco 02:12
jsgotangcomorning02:13
pygibashelier, tell me when you're ready02:15
bashelierpygi: should be in 10 minutes02:15
pygibashelier, fine by me, thanks02:16
porthoseMOTU's please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5730 thank you02:17
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pygibashelier, poke when it's done :)02:19
RAOFDoes anyone have a net-connected Gutsy machine with virtualisation hardware?  If so, it'd be nice if you could test bug #122113.  The debdiff worked for me last night, but I won't be able to test against the new kernel untill tonight.02:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122113 in kvm "[Merge]  Please merge kvm-28-4 from Debian Unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12211302:23
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bashelierpygi: the chroot and the cross chain are ready, I'm installing the b-d now02:31
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pygibashelier, k, lemme prepare debdiff02:32
pygibashelier, pm me with your mail02:32
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TheMusoo/c03:36
TheMusough03:36
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crimsunpersia: I've uploaded the wxwidgets2.6 fix03:58
crimsunI got your bug email about three minutes after the dput completed03:58
crimsun(back in 20 mins - coffee shop closing)03:59
persiacrimsun: Thanks for the note.  I'm still building.  I'll push 2.8 when I'm done testing.04:12
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TheMusoAfternoon Hobbsee.04:44
Hobbseehiya TheMuso :)04:46
LaserJockhi Hobbsee 04:46
Hobbsee:)04:46
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Hobbseehrm?04:56
Hobbseewhich myspace page?  mine?04:56
ScottKYes04:56
Hobbsee:)04:56
ScottKIt was in the scrollback...04:56
Hobbseeheh, right04:56
Hobbseehavent read that yet today04:56
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ScottKRe FIOS, I have the slow FIOS and I think it's 7mb down and 2 up.04:59
ScottKcrimsun:^^04:59
crimsunScottK: unfortunately not available in my neck o' the woods, but cable will be loads faster than my current.04:59
crimsunok, time to use update notifier for this alsa-{lib,utils} business.05:00
ScottKAh.  Too bad.  05:00
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persiaHow long is reasonable to wait for a build?  An attempt at a candidate wxwidgets2.8_2.8.4.0-0ubuntu2 has now taken over 150 minutes, and the last arch-all build on the buildds was only 39 minutes.06:23
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porthoseAny MOTU:  please REVU ampache http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5730 thank you 06:24
nixternalpersia: did you notice anything funky in the build log? I know if for some reason your package has .docbook or .xml files, building them takes a few because the build machines don't have internet access06:26
Toadstoolheya!06:27
persianixternal: The build log is fairly clean so far - it's currently regenerating man pages (and has been for the last hour, but wihout much output).  The extra-long build is local, so I don't think the internet access is the issue.06:27
superm1hi motu's, I finally got around to updating this if anyone can take a gander: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5752 (gtk2-engines-mythbuntu)06:27
nixternalhrmm, that is odd, seeing as I built wxwidgets 2.8.4 on Saturday at Barcamp for a wxwidgets talk, which was about as dray as a desert06:29
persiaporthose: Are you sure that CC-by-nc-nd is GPL compatible?06:29
nixternalit isn't06:30
nixternalnone of the CC licenses are, unless that has recently changed06:30
porthosepersia: not sure will have to check06:30
persianixternal: I'm not sure about that: I thought CC-SA was GPL compatible.06:30
nixternalI thought it was, but then the FSF said no06:31
nixternalthat is just what I think, that isn't a definite06:31
persianixternal: Ah.  I thought the FSF was only complaining about CC-BY-SA, but I can't find CC-SA (without BY) in the current CC license recommendations, so perhaps it doesn't matter any more.06:32
nixternalit may not..there is a #fsf on here, however I idled for 3 days without one word typed or question answered06:33
porthosepersia: is this in reference to the flash module06:33
persiaporthose: Specifically, your package contains both work that is cc-by-nc-nd and work that is GPL.  I don't think you can mix them in a single package (but this statement does not represent legal advice).06:34
porthosepersia: well you know more about it than I do so I will take your advice06:35
persianixternal: I usually rely on http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/ as a source of FSF opinion.06:35
porthosepersia: I will get with upstream and see if we can get that particular component removed.  I believe all it is, is a flash player which is really not needed06:37
persiaporthose: Alternately, you might be able to have a separate package that uses public interfaces to connect (although I'm in no way familiar with ampache).06:37
porthosepersia: thank you for the look06:38
persiaporthose: No problem.  It's also good practice to note the status of the package in your request (such as "Please review ampache (link), it's waiting for a second advocate"): this helps reviewers understand  what they would be expected to do when reviewing.06:40
porthoseSure will06:40
superm1nixternal, its a shame barcamp was just this past weekend.  i'll be in town visiting my family this next saturday :(06:43
nixternalya, it was a very good time06:43
nixternalCoDLUG event on Sunday though :)06:43
LaserJocknixternal: there is a CC-GPL license06:43
superm1what's CoDLUG?06:43
nixternalCollege of DuPage Linux Users' Group - out in Glen Ellyn06:44
nixternalLaserJock: I thought they got rid of that one?06:44
superm1ah06:44
superm1what time is the event?  I might be able to stop by and make an appearance before i head back06:44
LaserJocknixternal: hmm, it's on their website, I don't know06:45
nixternaloh, I was just reading something about the FSF and CC while researching licenses, and the FSF saying it wasn't compatible anymore or it was gone06:46
jsgotangcoi believe the FSF doesn't even recognize CC06:56
nixternalI know at a recent Peter Brown talk he stated they didn't anymore due to something, that something I can't remember06:57
persiajsgotangco: For which meaning of recognise?  There are at least comments about CC licenses on the FSF site, and I've seen CC mentioned in email from FSF people.06:57
jsgotangcoprobably the past, must have changed stance in later versions06:58
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=== persia thinks licensing is dark and murky, and it is best to use either GPL, or the GPL-incompatible license of the package one needs to share code from.
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LaserJockLGPL perhaps07:04
porthosepersia: until I am told otherwise I am going to treat these two licenses as incompatible.  I am contacting upstream right now to resolve this07:04
persiaLaserJock: That's a nice one, but it's now deprecated by the FSF.07:04
LaserJockshesh07:04
LaserJockin favor of what?07:04
RAOFWhat, the LGPL?07:05
persiaLaserJock: GPL (no, not ideal)07:05
persiaporthose: Thanks.07:05
LaserJockwell that's pretty idiotic, IMO07:06
LaserJockI'd maybe go with MIT then if they're getting rid of LGPL07:06
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RAOFYeah.  I like the LGPL.  Is the MIT broadly similar?07:06
dholbachgood morning07:07
LaserJockhi dholbach 07:07
porthosedholbach: good am07:07
LaserJockRAOF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_license07:08
ajmitchhi dholbach 07:09
dholbachhi LaserJock, porthose, ajmitch07:11
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jmlOr, for more information than you can stand: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical07:20
porthosejml: thanks will check it out for sure07:20
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LaserJocknixternal: why do you think the LGPL is deprecated by FSF?07:40
crimsunbecause nixternal said so, and he's a leading Vista proponent.07:41
nixternalI have no clue honestly07:41
nixternalI am trying to figure out this damn ASP.NET crap07:41
crimsun(I'm fairly certain many FSF members feel the LGPL is underutilised - it is, after all, part of the impetus behind the rename)07:42
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LaserJockI read on wikipedia LGPL article that people thought it was deprecated because of the "Why you shouldn't use the Lesser GPL for your next library" FSF article07:44
jussi01Morning all!07:45
DarkSun88Good Morning jussi01 07:45
jussi01hello DarkSun8807:46
persiaLaserJock: Right.  Sorry.  My mistake.  It's recommended for "special circumstances" only.07:49
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porthosepersia: does ubuntu have a legal department to answer such questions?07:54
persiaporthose: I'm not aware of a specific legal forum in Ubuntu, but I've not investigated deeply.  Someone else might be able to answer your question better.07:55
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porthosepersia: didn't know so I thought I would ask07:55
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Hobbseeporthose: email ubuntu-archive@lists.ubuntu.com asking07:57
LaserJockdebian-legal is also pretty good for these discussions07:58
porthoseHobbsee:  sure will07:58
Hobbseeporthose: as in, they'rethe archive admins, so decide on what goes in07:59
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jussi01morning dholbach08:00
dholbachre08:00
dholbachhi jussi0108:00
porthosewill try both I need to get this hammered out thanks to all08:00
jussi01persia: Im still very confused about what I need to do about mnemosyne...08:02
LaserJockhmm, the idea of the LGPL seems very cool to me, but it still seems library-specific and a bit long08:03
TheMusoLaserJock: The LGPL is used for a bit of GNOME code afaik.08:06
TheMusoLaserJock: gnome-speech is one that I know of.08:06
TheMusoLaserJock: Because some of it can be linked against proprietary code.08:07
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crimsunyes.08:10
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Amaranthalacarte is LGPL :)08:14
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RAOFWhy is faad2 listed on DaD but not on MoM?  Also, does anyone plan to merge it?08:48
porthoseOk for those that are interested CC-BY-NC-ND is not compatible with GPL as per debian legal http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary.html08:48
persiaporthose: Good job hunting that down.  Best of luck with upstream.08:50
porthosepersia: but now we know for sure, thanks for your help 08:51
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TreenaksArgh! My (compiz) windows now fade/unfade when I change focus.. annoying!08:54
RAOFTreenaks: ccsm->animation->focus animation->none08:54
TreenaksRAOF: that's new.. ok thanks08:54
crimsunRAOF: I asked slomo about it two weeks ago; it's better left unmerged.  Debian's changes include questionable new source that aren't license-friendly.08:54
StevenKRAOF: MoM has a blacklist and DaD doesn't.08:55
RAOFcrimsun: Ok.  That's a bit silly of them :P08:55
RAOFTHanks.08:55
RAOFMaybe I'll add "don't merge" as a comment to it, then?08:55
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crimsunwell, at least a reminder to inspect the license(s) carefully would be useful.09:01
nixternalasp.net has my head spinning09:03
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=== Treenaks hands nixternal perl ;)
nixternalhehe09:18
nixternalif only it was a perl class09:18
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AmaranthTreenaks: that's a featue09:28
Amarantherr, feature09:28
AmaranthWe were deciding what animation options to use and keybuk saw the focus fade so it got added to the spec09:29
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mruizhi all09:52
mruizpersia: I need to delete one file in REVU. Can you help me? The package is gproftpd09:53
persiamruiz: Best practice is to ask the channel generally (there are several who can help).  It will take me a minute or so...09:54
nixternalit would be nice if you could delete your own packages like you can on mentors09:54
persiamruiz: Should be fine now.  Try uploading again.09:55
persianixternal: These deletions are to clear the queue from failed uploads, rather than removing the source from REVU (which is a separate issue).09:56
nixternalahh09:56
nixternalstill, I would like to be able to remove, unless they have been commented on09:56
nixternalthen again, allowing that will only cause revu to become a testing ground for people to upload, say hey look, and then go on about their business09:57
mruizthanks persia ;-)09:57
persianixternal: While I believe that there should be more workflow-friendly ways to use REVU, I'm really not sure about allowing deletion.  Keeping it there means that the next person who wants to try their hand at packaging the software can start from the past effort, rather than starting anew.09:58
nixternalpersia: very true09:58
persiaPersonally, I'm hoping that PPAs get ironed out sufficiently that C-U-U can add comments to needs-packaging bugs in LP and subscribe U-U-S for review (which just seems easier to track).10:01
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persia(add comments *with PPA URLs* to needs-packaging)10:01
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RainCTHi10:10
RainCTany MOTU please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=575010:11
persia stgraber: I just wanted to check on bug 82343.  Does this still need backporting to feisty?10:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 82343 in cryptsetup "init.d/cryptdisks doesnt create symlinks in /dev/disk/by-*" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8234310:11
mruizsee you later !10:11
persiaRainCT: It's good practice to mention the packagename and the status (initial upload, needs first advocate, needs second advocate) :)10:12
stgraberpersia: I think so, but I just did the debdiff, I'm not myself concerned by this bug10:12
RainCTpersia: ok, will remember that10:12
persiastgraber: Ah.  Sponsorship has been requested: if sponsored, would you be following up?10:13
porthosegood night all10:15
dholbachso who's going to package and upload ubuntu-dev-tools?10:22
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TheMusodholbach: If you want that done very soon, I might remove ubuntu-sync and ubuntu-cd, as they need major reworking, as they assume too many things.10:23
TheMusoAnd I don't think we should put out scripts that assume too much, particularly if it comes to where files should be found.10:23
dholbachTheMuso: maybe just remove them from setup.py - so they don't get installed, but stay in the source tree10:23
TheMusodholbach: Good idea.10:23
TheMusoI guess we should also make sure all scripts have a header on them explaining copyright/license as well.10:24
dholbachyes, that'd be good10:24
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persiaRainCT: openinvaders doesn't build for me :(  The tail of the build log is at http://pastebin.ca/589907.  Any suggestions?10:33
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stgraberpersia: yes10:37
persiastgraber: OK.  Thanks.10:38
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RainCTpersia: let me try again on pbuilder10:49
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coNPCan any REVU admins please archive http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5704 for me?10:59
jussi01coNP: you can archive it iirc10:59
coNPjussi01: how could I do that?11:00
jussi01Please help to keep this site tidy. If you think, an upload should be nuked, please post a comment stating this. If you find an upload already accepted in the archive, please 'archive' that upload. Archiving uploads is absolutly harmless, and can easily be undone. On new uploads, packages are automatically 'unarchived'. Thank you11:01
coNPI want to archive but do not know how to do that... :)11:03
RainCTpersia: it's building for me with dpkg-buildpackage. pbuilder isn't working (it says "hostname: Unknown host" after unpacking the .tgz), but yesterday it was :S11:04
FujitsucoNP: Done.11:04
coNPthanks Fujitsu 11:05
coNPPlease confirm that I am not able to do that on my own11:05
FujitsuI'm not sure if you need reviewer privileges to do it.11:05
FujitsuAnd I haven't got a checkout of the code around.11:05
coNPokay, np11:05
persiacoNP: If you log in, do you see "Archive" links on the main page?11:07
coNPI only see "archived uploads"11:08
persiacoNP: Then one does need to be a reviewer to archive (but one doesn't need to be a REVU Admin).11:08
coNPcool, thanks11:08
RainCTpersia: and I don't see any call to PACKAGE_DATA_DIR on src/init.cc so I don't know why it complains...11:10
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RainCTpersia: do you get the same problem if you ./configure & make the source from the .orig?11:18
persiaRainCT: Haven't tried that yet.  I'm still stuck on why it complains about init.cc:64.  I'll give that a shot.11:19
RainCTpersia: thanks :)11:19
persiaRainCT: I get a similar issue with `./configure && make`: it's still complaining about PACKAGE_DATA_DIR in init.cc:6411:21
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persiaRainCT: Found it: declare.h defines GFX_SHIP (and the similar) to be PACKAGE_DATA_DIR"/"PACKAGE"/ship.pcx" (and similar).  It looks to me like the #include "config.h" line in src/init.c isn't finding config.h (although it might be something else).11:30
RainCTpersia: what's if you add   #include "../config.h"    after line 32 on init.cc?11:35
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persiaRainCT: The build doesn't crash until I hit input.cc:64, so it fixes it (for one file) :)11:38
persiaRainCT: The confusing part is that I have liballegro4.2-dev installed in the chroot, so I wouldn't even expect to reach that point.11:39
RainCTpersia: do you also have liballegro4.2 (without -dev) ?11:40
persiaRainCT: Yep (it's a dependency)11:40
RainCTpersia: :S. well, should I add a patch for that?11:41
persiaRainCT: I'd wait until you can get it building in your pbuilder again, and patch it to make it work there.  I'm guessing that there's a missing build-dep (but I don't know which).  Once you've gotten that working, upload again, and try to get someone with a different architecture to try to build it also.11:42
RainCTpersia: it should work on my pbuilder (it did yesterday). it isn't failing to build it now but it's the entire pbuilder that fails11:43
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persiaRainCT: Right.  I'm guessing there was a package update in the meantime which killed it, but it's hard for you to test without a working pbuilder or sbuild :(11:43
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TheMusoIs MoM broken for universe? it seems that a package, thuban for example, was synced back in May, yet it still appears in MoM.,11:50
RainCTpersia: I'm creating the pbuilder environment again, let's see if it works then11:50
persiaTheMuso: There was a new Ubuntu-local upload in May11:51
TheMusopersia: Ah, so I see.11:51
TheMusohas anybody found that requestsync doesn't always get the correct/any changelog to include in the email?11:58
RainCTpersia: same, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27249/12:05
persiaRainCT: Interesting.  Does pbuilder have some debug option that might help to determine the issue?12:08
persiaRainCT: Alternately, does pbuilder work to compile something else?12:08
RainCTpersia: it doesn't even update (sudo pbuilder update)12:08
persiaCould someone who uses pbuilder please help RainCT to debug this issue?12:09
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TheMusoI could if I still had a pbuilder set up. :p12:09
jussi01RainCT: is this on revu, i have pbuilder and i can give it a run through if it helps...12:11
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RainCTjussi01: yes, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=575012:11
jussi01RainCT: without reading back too much, with pbuilder you need to run sudo pbuilder update --override-config if you have changed config files...12:12
RainCTwhat i've seen now is that it says "upgrading for distribution feisty", but it's a gutsy environment12:14
RainCT(created with: sudo pbuilder create --distribution gutsy    --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy universe multiverse")12:14
pygibashelier, poke12:14
jussi01RainCT: ok, im not that much of an expert with it.... Ill run it through my feisty pbuilder anyway12:15
RainCTok, thanks12:15
bashelierhey pygi 12:16
pygibashelier, can we get sparc on? I wanna be sure ^^12:16
pygibashelier, I overslept the exam btw :p12:16
bashelierpygi: ok, I'm going to see if I can get it working right now, but I'm not sure at all :)12:18
pygibashelier, no worries now, I poked fabbione already so you don't have to turn it on :P12:18
bashelierpygi: ok, thanks :)12:19
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pygibashelier, thank you ;)12:20
bashelierpygi: I hope your patch will work ;)12:21
pygisame :p12:21
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RainCT"shingouz: unfortunately that looks like ubuntu has either a config problem or the original pacakges are somehow weird." (on #debian)12:25
persiaRainCT: Which package?12:26
RainCTpersia: that's about pbuilder12:26
jussi01RainCT: seems to build fine here12:27
persiajussi01: feisty, or gutsy?12:28
jussi01feisty12:28
persiajussi01: Hm.  Let me try that (I've been failing in gutsy).12:28
jussi01here is a pastebin of the build if you want to see... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27251/12:29
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jussi01:)12:29
persiajussi01: Thanks.12:30
jussi01persia: np's. works in feisty for you?12:31
persiaRainCT: It looks like the build failure is either X86_64 specific or something odd about sbuild (I get the same error with feisty).12:31
RainCTpersia: what should I do so, patch the .cc files?12:32
persiaRainCT: Do you have access to 64-bit hardware to try to replicate?  If so, please test.  If not, try to find a volunteer to test / help with the patch.  I'm worried that just adding the extra include for ifndef LINUX_ALLEGRO might cause a different issue.12:34
RainCTpersia: I don't know anybody with 64bit12:36
persiaRainCT: At least I'd be willing to test build a couple times, let me know if you have a candidate.  Also, do you want me to send you buildlogs?12:38
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RainCTajmitch: could you try if  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5750 is building for you please (to be sure that it's a problem related with 64bit)?12:45
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DktrKranzgpocentek, could I ask you a couple of questions regarding your comment in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5709?12:54
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ajmitchRainCT: sure01:00
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gpocentekDktrKranz: yes01:01
DktrKranzthanks :)01:01
DktrKranzfirst one01:01
DktrKranzchmod +x stuff01:01
DktrKranzI inserted it because I received this lintian warning: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/27176/01:02
gpocentekhum01:02
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gpocentek+have01:02
DktrKranznp01:02
gpocentekbut I have wget hehe01:02
DktrKranz:)01:03
DktrKranzthis is a summary: "This file starts with the #! sequence that marks interpreted scripts, but it is not executable."01:03
gpocentekDktrKranz: I see01:03
gpocentekin fact the problem is the #!/usr/bin/python in the .py files of the module01:03
gpocentekit shouldn't be there, since a module is supposed to be imported, not executed01:04
DktrKranzit sounds correct01:04
DktrKranzI'll ask upstream if he can remove them01:05
DktrKranzor adjust01:05
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DktrKranzin the meanwhile, should I ignore it?01:05
gpocentekyou can patch the sources to drop the #!* if you don't want to wait for upstream to do it01:06
DktrKranzI already included dpatch to fix a couple of things01:06
DktrKranzit's not a problem to fix it01:06
DktrKranzanyway, I'll inform upstream01:07
DktrKranzsecond one01:07
DktrKranzshouldn't dh_desktop be used only when MIME types are present?01:07
DktrKranzsee also malone 11924101:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119241 in debhelper "dh_desktop should only call update-desktop-database if MimeType field exists " [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11924101:08
persiaDktrKranz: That's under discussion in Debian, using it now wastes a small amount of CPU time for users installing the package.01:08
DktrKranzit includes extra stuff, not needed this time01:08
DktrKranzpersia, I see, thanks01:09
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DktrKranzI think it should be omitted, for now01:10
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ajmitchRainCT: fwiw, open-invaders failed to build on amd6401:16
ajmitch(on gutsy)01:16
persiaajmitch: Was the problem with init.cc line 64?01:17
ajmitchyes01:17
ajmitchtrying a feisty pbuilder run now01:17
RainCTajmitch: thanks01:18
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RainC1ajmitch, persia: what's if you apply this patch? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27257/plain/01:38
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persiaRainC1: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27258/01:47
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RainCTpersia: well, then I'll put "architecture: i386" util the author corrects this issue (I'm in contact with him, will report it)?01:49
persiaRainCT: That's a safe alternate solution.  Be sure to note why somewhere (perhaps in the changelog entry or debian/README.Debian-source) so that if one of the 64-bit porters around wants to work on it, they know it probably just needs a patch, or if there is a new upstream, the updater knows to change the Architecture: if the upstream changelog includes 64-bit support.01:51
persiaRainCT: Also, if you can find someone who could try powerpc or sparc, you might be able to include more architectures (which is always good).01:52
DktrKranzI uploaded modified package of oggconvert in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5757 following your advices. When you have time, could you please review it? Thank you.01:55
ogra\sh, hey01:59
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RainCTpersia: okay, thanks02:09
RainCTDoes anybody here have a sparc or a powerpc?02:11
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TheMusoRainCT: I have a powerpc.02:12
RainCTTheMuso: could you please try building http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5750?02:12
TheMusoRainCT: Yep, just a second.02:15
TheMusoJust have to go back to dial-up to download it. :p02:15
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ScottKGood morning Hobbsee02:16
ajmitchhello Hobbsee 02:16
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FujitsuHi Hobbsee.02:17
RainCThi Hobbsee02:17
TheMusoHeya Hobbsee.02:18
Hobbseehey ScottK, ajmitch 02:18
zulhi Hobbsee 02:18
Hobbseehi Fujitsu 02:18
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Hobbseehiya02:18
TheMusoheh02:18
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TheMusoRainCT: I've just finished downloading, and will now ensure my build environment is up to date.02:26
TheMusoThen I'll test builde.02:26
ajmitchRainCT: it's only celebrities like Hobbsee that get greeted that way02:26
Hobbseehah02:26
RainCTTheMuso: thanks02:26
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ajmitchHobbsee: yes miss release team person02:26
Hobbseeheh02:26
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=== Hobbsee can say "do it" and it gets done.
mok0Hobbsee: hail oh MOTU master!02:27
gesermok0: not mistress?02:28
mok0geser: mastress perhaps02:28
ajmitchHobbsee: doesn't matter, we're still not worthy02:28
TheMusoRainCT: Build commencing.02:29
Hobbseemok0: Queen.  I dont like the term mistress.02:29
mok0ajmitch: we are yet to learn to control the Force02:29
mok0Hobbsee: I said master, geser is the one to suggest "mistress"02:30
Hobbseeokay, and geser in there then :)02:30
ajmitchmok0: oh no, I'll never get to that level02:30
TheMusopersia: How do you get sbuild to use the build-deps from the source package you want it to build, and not check the archive?02:30
geserHobbsee: does it fit that you are the queen and dholbach only the prince?02:31
TheMusorofl02:31
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TheMusoFujitsu: ^^ re what I asked persia.02:32
xxxxx1good morning all! :)02:32
\shmoins ogra02:32
Hobbseegeser: not sure.  why would dholbach be the prince?02:32
FujitsuTheMuso: I've always just assumed it uses the build-deps from the source, but I'm not sure about it.02:33
mok0I have been packaging some binary-only software (for local installation only). I have made binary packages directly, but it seems somewhat tedious. Any thoughts?02:33
TheMusoSorry it does. I was missing a file.02:33
FujitsuThat might do it.02:33
TheMusopersia: Sorry, was missing a file. Sorted.02:34
TheMusoRainCT: Ok, starting for real now. Just fetching build-deps.02:34
ScottKmok0: It's a little tedious the first time around, but if you've set yourself up to use the packaging system, you'll thank yourself every time you have to do an update.02:35
geserHobbsee: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonobacon/524563148/in/set-72157600295669688/02:36
Hobbseeheh02:36
mok0ScottK: I was wondering if it is better to build a "source" package02:37
Fujitsumok0: Definitely.02:37
FujitsuIt means you don't have to start from scratch each time.02:37
ScottKmok0: Yes if you have the source.  When you said binary only, I assumed you didn't have it.02:37
mok0ScottK: I dont have the source; programs are distributed as binariers02:38
mok0binaries02:38
persiaTheMuso: Sorry for the late response.  Glad it's working for you :)02:38
ogra\sh, http://www.ksta.de/html/artikel/1182404870319.shtml02:39
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mok0ScottK: I wish I could avoid it, unfortunately many people in my field only give away binaries :-(02:39
TheMusoRainCT: Failed to build. let me know if you would like a build log.02:41
mok0I have another batch of software that includes source, but with restricted licenses that prevents you from redistributing. I package everything to distribute on our local network (~25 workstations + servers)02:42
RainCTTheMuso: was the problem with init.cc line 64?02:42
mok0But I will upload everything I can to REVU02:42
TheMusoRainCT: Yep.02:43
mok0... have 7 packs sitting there right now, waiting for review...02:43
mok0(nudge-nudge)02:43
RainCTTheMuso: ok, thanks02:43
ScottKmok0: Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding...  Uploading to REVU is distribution.02:43
mok0ScottK: I know, I only upload software with GPL or similar02:44
ScottKmok0: OK.  I figured, but thought it better to make sure than stay silent.02:44
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mok0ScottK: :-) btw, a lot of software comes with "academic licenses" that are free for academics but not for "for-profit". I think that doesn't qualify for Ubuntu02:46
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ScottKNo.  I'd think not.02:47
ScottKGood morning calc.  What IRC link?02:47
mok0ScottK: that's what I figured!02:47
Hobbseemorning calc 02:47
TheMusoHeya calc.02:47
ajmitchcalc!02:48
ajmitchoh man, CC meeting02:48
ajmitchI'm obviously up too late02:48
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calcajmitch: hello02:49
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calcScottK: hmm?02:51
RainCTare paste.ubuntu-nl.org submissions stored forever?02:51
ScottKcalc: You pinged me last night and said something about an IRC log/link that you'd gotten from (I think) sistypoty.02:51
calcScottK: oh yea, the one with mark about beryl02:51
calcScottK: from march02:52
ScottKAh.  That one.02:52
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FujitsuThat was an interesting discussion.02:52
ScottKIs not always a good thing mind you.02:52
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ajmitchFujitsu: ?02:53
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ajmitchbah02:57
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RainCTpersia: put architecture as i386-only and wrote a long notice about the issue on debian/README.debian, uploading now02:57
persiaRainCT: Sounds good (but disqualifies me as a reviewer)02:58
ScottKpersia: Was the package otherwise good from your perspective?02:59
persiaScottK: It eyeballed well, but I can't build, so I haven't run the lintian/linda checks.  Also, I didn't grep -ri copyright yet.03:00
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ScottKpersia: OK.  Eyeballed well from you says a lot.  RainCT, let me know when you have a new upload and I may have time to look at it.03:01
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RainCTScottK (and other MOTUs):  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5758 (Open Invaders, i386 only, needs first advocate)03:04
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affluxI have a source-package that contains a file called asdf.py, I want it to get installed to/as usr/sbin/asdf (without the trailing .py). What (debhelper?) command should I use? dh_install asdf.py usr/sbin/asdf would result in usr/sbin/asdf/asdf.py03:07
ScottKafflux: You need to mv it in debian/rules.  If you download the pyspf source package, you can see an example.03:09
affluxokay, thank you03:10
TheMusoRainCT: `is the package supposed to work on other architectures?03:10
TheMusoAnd have you looked into trying to fix it, or asked upstream about it?03:11
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RainCTTheMuso: I don't know, but the website only provides binaries for i38603:11
TheMusoRainCT: Ok.03:11
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affluxcan anyone guide me through packaging an application written in python (a single file using python-tk)?03:15
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affluxI guess I got something wrong: I should use python-support or python-central for settung up the dependencies, right?03:15
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ScottKafflux: Yes.  Python-support is generally simpler for simple packages03:21
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ScottKRainCT: open-invaders is building now.  Just have a few minor editorial comments so far.03:21
affluxshould python-tk should be in the binary-package depends (hardcoded?) or rather in the build-depends?03:22
affluxScottK: ^03:22
ScottKafflux: Does your package have a setup.py03:22
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affluxScottK: no03:22
ScottKafflux: With Python packages, it works a lot better if you have proper distutils support before you package it.03:22
ScottKafflux: I'd find another package that uses python-tk and look what they did (apt-cache rdepends python-tk)03:23
affluxokay03:24
TheMusoNight folks.03:26
superm1Hi ScottK03:28
ScottKHi superm103:29
superm1ScottK, have a few moments for a revu this mornin?03:29
ScottKPerhaps03:29
superm1cool: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5752 : gtk2-engines-mythbuntu03:29
ScottKsuperm1: I will look if I can.  I'm pretty sure I don't know enough to get that package a complete review (I'm a ubuntu-server and kubuntu user, so gtk2 is pretty foreign to me).03:31
superm1ScottK, It's a pretty simple cdbs based package using a debian/install for the theme.  I think the biggest possible trouble with it is debian/copyright if anything03:32
superm1(there is no code actually compiled during package build for the engine)03:33
ScottKOK03:36
ScottKRainCT: Commented03:36
ScottKRainCT: Yes.  Before you ask - There really should be a man page.03:36
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persiaDoes anyone have a good pointer to recent (post-Dapper) documentation on requesting a sync from a non-Debian source?03:57
ScottKpersia: Since where to sync from is a standard part of a sync request, why would any such documentation be needed?04:02
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persiaScottK: That was my fear.  I was hoping for some guidelines on sync sources, but I'll just document the repository in the request, and wait for feedback from those acting upon it.04:03
ScottKIf it's a repository we've never sync'ed from before, I'd probably e-mail the archive admins and discuss it first.04:03
gnomefreakcrimsun: alsa update is telling me to run asoundconf(1) set-default-card macro do i just run that in terminal?04:05
persiaScottK: That's a good idea (and such a list is part of what I'd expect to find in the documentation I sought).04:05
ScottKpersia: Good thing you've got a lot of experience writing MOTU documenation.  Once you get through this, I know you'll do the right thing...04:06
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RainC1ScottK: thanks for reviewing it04:06
persiaScottK: Of course :)04:06
ScottKRainC1: You're welcome.  Thanks for contributing.04:06
RainC1where can I read about manpages (and packaging them)?04:09
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jussi01RainC1: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-manpage04:11
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RainC1jussi01: thanks04:13
jussi01:)04:14
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RainC1how can I validate a 'menu' file?04:26
Burgundaviashawarma: you missed an "on purpose" joke04:26
persiaRainC1: Lintian does some basic checking (as "Informational").04:27
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persiaRainCT: Spec is http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30046/2/menu-one-file.html#ch3 (although there is probably a more official source).04:28
jussi01hmmm, do e still use menu files?? arent they replaced by .desktops?04:29
persiajussi01: They aren't replaced at all, but Ubuntu doesn't use the Debian menu system by default.  It's still good practice to include the file, as it will be important if the package goes to Debian, adn can be shown in the Debian menu for those that enable it.04:32
shawarmaBurgundavia: aw.. who? where?04:32
Burgundaviashawarma: your blog post04:32
shawarmaBurgundavia: orly?04:32
Burgundaviaya rly04:32
jussi01persia: aaahh, gotcha04:32
shawarmaBurgundavia: Oh, yeah, I see it.04:32
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RainCTin the .sgml, are dhfirstname and dhsurname those of the upstream author or packager?04:35
RainCTbecause it says "Fill in your name" but then it uses it as copyright holder and author04:36
persiaRainCT: About the manpage?  If you're drafting it, you're the author (and the default copyright holder).04:37
RainCTpersia: yes. ok thx04:37
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RainCTshould I leave debian or change it for ubuntu ("this manual page was written by ..., for the X system")04:45
persiaRainCT: Are you planning to push it back to Debian in the near future?  If so, Debian is good.  If not, Ubuntu is acceptable.04:46
RainCTpersia: ok, then Debian :)04:46
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tarzeaumake it "This manual page was written by .., for YOU!"04:47
RainCTlol04:48
persiaScottK: FYI: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-games/2007/06/msg00053.html04:50
RainCTwow.. what a great connection I've.. 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=5 ttl=234 **time=1462 ms**  XDD04:51
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ScottKpersia: Yep.  Just wanted to warn everyone.04:55
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zakamegood evening04:56
persiaScottK: My apologies: I should have been more clear.  My pointer is a followup to the email you forwarded - specifically covering coordination with upstream.  If you're interested, you might want to follow that thread (which isn't as widely crossposted).04:57
ScottKAh.  It's not that I'm especially interested as I thought others might be.  Thanks though.04:57
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Q-FUNKkeescook: here's the latest.  http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/x/xserver-xorg-video-amd/xserver-xorg-video-amd_2.7.6.5+git20070208-5.dsc05:02
Q-FUNKkeescook: you're welcome to keep the maintainer as-is, since I'm tracking bugs both in debian and ubuntu.05:03
keescookQ-FUNK: cool; once it's accepted in Debian, we'll just sync it directly.  nice!05:04
ograkeescook, any objections to get it to main ?05:05
Q-FUNKkeescook: how much time do we have until the big final freeze for Goaste?05:05
Q-FUNKogra: funny, I was gonna ask about that. :)05:05
keescookogra: I haven't looked it over in that regard, is there an MIR for it?05:05
RainCTwell guys I'll come back later, this crap connection isn't opening a single site05:05
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ograkeescook, not yet but i'll add one, would help a lot for ltsp to have it in main for geode clients05:06
keescookQ-FUNK: we've got time before the _final_ freeze for gutsy.  :)  bryce was just trying to get it in for tribe2 originally.05:06
Q-FUNKkeescook: it was accepted in debian last night, btw.05:06
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keescookogra: yup, cool.  certainly seems well maintained.  :)05:06
ogragood :)05:06
Q-FUNKhttp://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=q-funk@iki.fi05:06
Q-FUNK-4 is in NEW, because of the -dbg target I added since -2 (only -1 was in NEW initially)05:07
Q-FUNKbut this is just minor changes to an existing package, so it shouldn't take long to get into unstable.05:08
affluxIt's driving me crazy. my package (a single-file python application, depending on python-tk) has only python-dev, python-support and debhelper in the build-depends and in the "Depends:" line "${python:Depends}, python-tk". When building in pbuilder it says it doesn't know the substitution variable ${python:Depends}. When building w/o pbuilder "python" is in the depends-field as supposed.05:10
affluxWhat am I doing wrong?05:10
zakamethere's a dh_python or somesuch in debian/rules, right?05:12
affluxdh_pysupport, yes05:13
ScottKafflux: You can ignore the python:Depends warning.05:14
affluxScottK: well, then I don't have "python" in the depends..05:15
ScottKafflux: ${python:Depends} will work in Depends (but not build-depends, IIRC).05:16
ScottKThe ${python:Depends} gets passed on to a part of the packaging system that understands it despite the warning.05:17
ScottKAnyone up to give me a hand with an odd debian/watch problem?05:20
persiaScottK: Sure.05:22
ScottKpersia: The package is pyyaml.  On my debian-qa page: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=scott@kitterman.com it claims it doesn't match, but when I run uscan in the source package it seems to match.05:23
ScottKHelp05:23
affluxScottK: I think it wasn't really clear what my problem is... http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/27279/05:24
ScottKafflux: Looking05:24
affluxScottK: no hurry05:24
ScottKOK.  I understand now.05:25
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ScottKafflux: I don't think that will be an actual problem with your package.  I wouldn't worry about it.05:26
mruizhi all05:26
affluxso noone would hit me because of that if I upload that to revu? ;)05:27
mruizping dholbach 05:27
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dholbachmruiz: pong05:28
ScottKafflux: As an example, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/i386/python-yaml/3.05-1 has only ${python:Depends} as Depends and see how it came out.05:28
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ScottKafflux: I don't think anyone will find a problem with that.  What I think you may be seeing is a pbuilder issue.  I'd ask you to research it further and maybe file a pbuilder bug.05:28
affluxokay, thank you05:29
leonelhello everyone !05:29
ScottKHello leonel05:29
BurgundaviaHobbsee: do you have a moment to proofread?05:31
HobbseeBurgundavia: sure05:32
HobbseeBurgundavia: si this tribe 2?05:32
Burgundavianot yet, need to write that05:32
Burgundaviahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue4605:32
Burgundavianeed to clear that before I start in on Tribe 205:32
persiaScottK: My apologies, but I can't replicate the problem reported on the QA page in any of gusty, feisty, or sid with that source (and I don't have an Etch chroot).  The file looks clean, and it grabs the desired source correctly when non is available.05:34
persias/n is/ne is/05:35
ScottKpersia: Thanks for looking.  I guess I'll whine to debian-qa then.05:35
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mruizdholbach: As you know, I'm updating packages. Is it needed to update Standards-Versions in debian/control ?05:38
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dholbachmruiz: no, that's another change we need to merge, when we merge with debian again05:42
dholbachmruiz: it doesn't make much sense05:42
mruizok :-)05:43
mruizdholbach: thanks for your comment to add "Closes/Fixes LP: #n" or  in debian/changelog . Useful!05:43
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dholbach(LP: #n)05:45
mruizyes!05:46
mruizdholbach: thanks for your uploads... mi first contribution to Ubuntu (in devel)! ;-)05:49
dholbachyeah :-)05:49
pygimruiz, congrats05:49
mruizthanks pygi 05:49
pygimruiz, if you ever need any help, do poke05:50
mruizpygi, sure !05:51
HobbseeBurgundavia: just proof read and sanity check?05:52
HobbseeBurgundavia: s/between MOTU and Launchpad development team./between the MOTU and Launchpad development teams./05:53
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HobbseeBurgundavia: s/ethusiasts/enthusiasts/05:56
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ScottKBurgundavia: I'd also say he's 'the' liaison, not 'a' liaison as I don't think there are others.05:58
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HobbseeScottK: changed06:00
LaserJockare you guys talking about me? ;-)06:00
ScottKShhh ...06:00
LaserJockoh geeze06:01
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cbx33ping imbrandon 06:01
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HobbseeBurgundavia: done06:02
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nixternalthe only person in the entire class to do so at this time, and I have yet to pay attention ;p06:08
LaserJockgood for you :-)06:09
nixternalour teacher could teach her way out of a wet paperbag, but thanks to google, blood, sweat, and tears, it is finally finished!06:09
nixternalthat was the biggest pain in the arse06:09
Hobbsee:D06:09
nixternalif any of you ever think about taking a asp.net class, DON'T!06:09
LaserJockI don't think my uni offers any language-specific classes, at least I couldn't find any06:10
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nixternalIIT, UIC, all of the tech schools here do06:13
mok0Is that a two-way merge?06:14
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ScottKnixternal: But won't that be really useful with your Vista setup?06:15
nixternalI actually used Vista for the first time last night06:15
nixternalnot really used, but checked it out06:15
ScottKFinally, a confession...06:15
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nixternaland my lord, I don't know if it is because I haven't used windows in a super long time, but Vista was confusing to me06:16
nixternali.e. trying to change the resolution was a little difficult at first06:16
nixternalI will admit, Windows stayed consistant for a long time, but they really screwed the pooch with Vista06:17
nixternalit does look pretty imho06:17
pyginixternal, patience ;)06:17
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pygidon't hold me for my word, but watch out for new nautilus outside the gnome project =)06:17
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pygiyou'll be impressed =)06:17
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nixternalguess I will have to check out gnome when that happens06:17
nixternalScottK: probably the same here, I am not one for the eyecandy as I am for the functionality, usability, and speed06:18
superm1nixternal, you used it for the first time last night?  I thought you were the the big vista proponent as indicated by !nixternal ?06:18
superm1:)06:18
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nixternalhehe, nope, honestly was the first time...I don't know how that started *cough*crimsun*cough*06:19
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superm1nixternal, what is the CoDLUG event this weekend and what time Sunday?06:19
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nixternal10am to 4pm, and from 12pm to 4pm Ubuntu Chicago will be doing their little thing as well06:20
nixternaleveryone just gets together and hangs out, every now and then we have a good talk06:20
geserLaserJock: Hi, should the Ubuntu TeX team be also bug contact for the latex-beamer package?06:20
nixternalI am hoping for a good talk on Symfony this weekend though06:20
superm1well i'll see what time my brother's grad. party is, and I might be able to stop by06:20
nixternalcool06:21
nixternaldon't forget your gpg key if you do stop by06:21
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superm1will i be signing anything?06:22
nixternaljust my key and anyone else who has one :)06:23
superm1ah :)06:23
mruizWhat is better in debian/changelog : (Closes LP: #n) or (Fixes LP: #n) ?06:24
LaserJockgeser: I'm not sure, I wanted to kinda keep it small to start with06:24
nixternalLP: #n06:24
nixternalno closes or fixes according to the spec, just (LP: #n)06:25
LaserJockgeser: latex-beamer belongs to MOTU Science at the moment06:25
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gesershouldn't MOTU science be set up as bug contact in that case?06:27
mruiznixternal, thanks :-) From the official  announcement: "You can place any explanatory text that you like around it, so long as the pattern "LP: #" precedes the bug number."06:28
nixternalahhh06:28
nixternalI just read that as well :)06:28
tsmithecan i get reviews for all the ubuntustudio-* packages on revu?06:28
nixternaldifferent from the spec, but you are correct06:28
nixternalspeaking of Ubuntu Studio, wow what a hit it was at Barcamp this weekend when they were doing MythTV stuff06:29
geserLaserJock: I stumbled across bug #122139 but I haven't checked it yet06:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122139 in latex-beamer "latex beamer class unusable since tex upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12213906:29
tsmithenixternal, really? wow06:29
tsmithe_MMA_, ^^06:29
nixternalI was impressed, this weekend if you were using Linux, you were using something *buntu, Debian, or Foresight06:29
mruiznixternal, for more information: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000298.html06:30
nixternaland the *buntu side outweighed the others like 10 to 1 I am willing to bet06:30
tsmithe\o/06:30
nixternalmruiz: ya, that is where I just read that06:30
mruiz:-)06:30
nixternalthey had 1 or 2 ubuntustudio boxes running movies all weeekend long..I was impressed..I never had the urge to do a setup like that before until really seeing it in action06:30
_MMA_:)06:31
tsmithecool06:31
nixternalnow I just need you guys to send me some money ;p06:31
_MMA_;)06:31
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nixternalno I said money, not a :)06:31
nixternalhehe06:31
superm1#/join #ubuntu-chicago06:31
superm1whoops .06:32
nixternalya, that will work ;p06:32
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pygi:P06:32
jussi01lol06:32
LaserJockgeser: oh, that's no good. I was going to try beamer out :/06:32
tsmitheLaserJock, wanna pass your eye over my packages?06:34
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geserLaserJock: therefore it would be good if the TeX group would be bug contact for it :)06:36
ScottKIs there a process for asking the archive admins for approve a universe upload when Main is frozen or is it just harrass whoever you can catch?06:36
geserLaserJock: isn't the MOTU Science team bug contact for its packages?06:36
pygiScottK, whoever you can catch06:37
geserScottK: either ask politely or wait. They are processed unregularly.06:37
BurgundaviaHobbsee: thanks06:37
ScottKgeser: Was kidding about the harrass part.06:37
HobbseeBurgundavia: no problem06:37
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LaserJockgeser: yes06:38
geserLaserJock: I'm asking because LP doesn't list a bug contact for latex-beamer06:39
LaserJockreally?06:40
LaserJockto MOTU Land: kiko appologizes for the "Triaged bugs disappear" bug, it was indeed a regression and will be fixed today06:42
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RainCTHi06:47
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ScottKLaserJock: Great and thanks to both of you for following up on it.  It might be useful to suggest they look at their pre-release test procedures and see what they might change to catch such a regression before the release in the future.06:55
LaserJockyes, kiko said they will probably start redirection LP Beta Testers to edge before a rollout06:57
LaserJockto do just that06:57
ScottKLaserJock: Sounds good.06:57
lousygaruaDid anyone thought of creating some kind of ''motu rating system'' so when u search for a new package u can see if determine if it's already stable and mature or it's still just a piece of crap in development?06:58
LaserJockwell, the rating system in in Add/Remove Applications is sort of for that06:58
pygibut *very* sortof06:59
LaserJockheh, yes06:59
LaserJockbbl06:59
lousygaruaLaserjock: pygi: too 'sortof'07:01
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mruizhi. I was building a package (updated) with pbuilder and got an error during the process: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27289/ Any ideas?07:04
AndyPmruiz: 01_gconf-breakage.diff is failing to be applied for whatever reason... maybe the source file has changed?07:06
mruizAndyP, then  I have to update the patch...07:06
AndyPmruiz: or remove it if the bug it fixes has been fixed upstream (best case scenario)07:08
mruizAndyP, in this case, I have to update it :-(07:09
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DarkSun88Hi all07:14
xxxxx1hello DarkSun88 07:21
DarkSun88Hi xxxxx1 07:22
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LaserJocknifty, dell added a new laptop to the Ubuntu line07:40
pygiLaserJock, url?07:40
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ScottKAny news on if people are buying them?07:40
LaserJockjust go to dell.com/ubuntu and hit Shop for Ubuntu07:40
LaserJockI just got an email from a guy in my LUG07:40
LaserJockwho works for a local Dell distributor07:41
RainCTScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5766  please review again :)07:41
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pygiLaserJock, which one is new?07:41
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LaserJock1420N laptop I think07:41
pygiright07:42
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pygia bit expensive, but :-/07:42
LaserJockwell, I was reading an interesting forum thread about Dell not selling Ubuntu machines to businesses07:43
LaserJockor educational institutions07:44
LaserJockwhich is sad because I was thinking of trying to buy one for my lab07:44
_MMA_LaserJock: I called about this. Got the same result as the thread. I have a small-business card :(07:44
LaserJockI think it *must* be because of RHEL and SLED07:45
LaserJockbecause I don't see how it would make any difference07:45
LaserJockI should try it with my bosses uni card and see what happened ;-)07:45
=== _MMA_ *shrugs* I was just told it wasnt offered as a option for businesses. But I agree with you .
LaserJockwell, it sucks because I was going to make that a big selling point07:46
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LaserJockmy uni basically *only* buys Dell and Apple07:46
LaserJockso if I can get an Ubuntu box through the academic Dell section then it's very cool07:47
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_MMA_Thats a common case. Id love to see Dells official response/position.07:47
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ScottKCool.  I did some work last year that may have, in a VERY small way, contributed to http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/07/us_navy_loves_open_source/07:50
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Adri2000crimsun: bug #120278: can we close the vlc task?07:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120278 in vlc "[Gutsy]  VLC Crashes instantly fails to Start" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12027807:58
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RainCTany revu admin there?08:06
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RainCTis it normal that the .orig.tar.gz isn't uploaded on dput if I've already submited the same package a few times?08:09
ScottKRainCT: How did you build the source package?08:09
man-diRainCT: dput uploads what is listed in the .changes file08:10
RainCTman-di: oh, why isn't it there then? (I did debuild -S)08:10
man-diRainCT: debuild -S -sa08:11
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man-di-sa forces inclusion of orig tarball if pacakge is not -108:11
Q-FUNKbryce: ?08:12
bryceheya08:12
RainCTman-di: ok, thanks. was using -sa before but since iirc I saw it without it on the Debian guide I stopped using it08:13
Q-FUNKbryce: I just replied to your e-mail.  see if you agree with the overall issues and if you have any idea on how to best resolve this.08:13
bryceok08:13
man-diRainCT: normally you dont need -sa but for REVU you need it08:14
RainCTman-di: ah ok08:14
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Q-FUNKbryce: my main idea is to regroup all Geode ODM around a single mailing list and git server where they can freely discuss patches and commit them, similar to kernel.org but Geode-specific. 08:23
Q-FUNKbryce: the main obstacle is AMD's commitment to the OLPC and how it leaves others such as the Linutop and Pepper in the dust.08:23
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RainCTScottK: with build the source package you meant debuild?08:25
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ScottKRainCT: As in did you debuild -S -sa?  If so, the orig.tar.gz should be included.08:26
RainCTScottK: yes, man-di appointed me about that. it's now online there http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5770 :)08:27
ScottKDid you see my comment?08:28
RainCTScottK: now yes. (the description was mostly copy-pasted :p)08:30
ScottKOK.  Just remember that the description shows up lots of places (like packages.ubuntu.com) and so if it's written poorly, it reflects poorly on Ubuntu.08:31
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RainCTScottK: sure the signature line should be cut into two in the changelog? never seen it like that08:35
ScottKRainCT: I don't think so, but I will confess to being unsure.  The actual changelog entries must be wrapped at 79 chars, but the signature line I don't know.08:36
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RainCT(if there's any REVU admin here, uploads 5766 and 5768 are incorrect duplicates of 5769)08:44
RainCTScottK: ok, wrapped everything beside that. uploading now08:44
ScottKOK08:45
RainCTdoes revu automatically delete uncomplete downloads?08:53
RainCTs/uncomplete/incomplete08:53
coNPRainCT: I think, no08:54
RainCTthen, is some body here that can delete them?08:54
ScottKRainCT: No need.  They are superceded, but kept for history for (I think) 6 months.08:55
RainCTError '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of open-invaders_0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc08:55
ScottKIt's useful to diff new uploads and only look at the changed parts.08:55
ScottKRainCT: dput -f your update.08:56
RainCTI already have the -f there08:56
ScottKAh08:56
coNPScottK: I guess it is an incomplete upload that would need dcut, what is not supported08:56
ScottKYes.08:56
ScottKRainCT: If you have an incomplete upload like that you need a REVU admin to delete it (I'm not a revu admin).08:57
RainCTyes, I realised that I had forgot something on half of the download and aborted it. that's why I'm asking if it gets deleted autoamtically08:57
crimsungnomefreak: yes08:57
ScottKAh.  Next time don't do that.  You need a REVU admin.08:57
ScottKLet it finish and then upload the new one when you are ready.08:57
crimsungnomefreak: it's a usability bug; there's a bug open on it, and it will be fixed post-Tribe 208:57
gpocentekQ-FUNK: hello! I couldn't find the xserver-xorg-video-amd package in debian, is it already in the archive, or is it somewhere else?08:58
Q-FUNKgpocentek: it's in unstable08:58
Q-FUNKgpocentek: a newer version awaits in NEW08:58
gpocentekok08:59
Q-FUNKgpocentek: what sort of Geode hardware do you use?08:59
gpocentekQ-FUNK: LX700 (on the linutop)08:59
Q-FUNKgpocentek: oh, a fellow linutop user :)08:59
Q-FUNKah, Gauvain09:00
Q-FUNKj'aurais du alllumer09:00
gpocentekhehe :)09:00
Q-FUNKgpocentek: well, it's already in Gutsy at the latest version, while Lenny has a slightly older version. my current release is in my own repository.  you're still mentioned in the changelog.09:01
gpocentekok09:02
gpocentekdid you manage to run it with an OLPC kernel?09:02
Q-FUNKI haven't tried.09:02
gpocentekI tried and it crashed everything09:02
gpocentekok09:02
crimsungnomefreak: bug 122252 if you want to sub.09:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122252 in alsa-lib "libasound2: user unfriendly update message re. default card" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12225209:03
Q-FUNKgpocentek: are you subscribed to the AMD Geode list?  please do, if you're not.  we need as much leverage as we can to help make AMD's Geode code as ODM-neutral as possible.09:03
gpocentekok, I'm going to subscribe09:04
Q-FUNKgpocentek: bryce is drafting a plan to put together a git repository for all Geode ODM to contribute code to.  you might wanna give him your contact info and keep in touch.09:05
gpocentekyep09:08
gpocentekQ-FUNK: do you have an url for the geode ML, google doesn't help me09:08
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RainCTany REVU admin?09:14
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ScottKThey rolled out fix for Triaged no showing up in default searches on LP.09:24
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RainCTScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5773 09:35
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cbx33ok09:51
cbx33can anyone shed any light on this09:51
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cbx33I have two machines on the network09:51
cbx33they can ping each other fine09:51
cbx33local nmap show a whole host of ports open09:51
cbx33but I can' ssh or vnc to either from either09:51
cbx33any ideas?09:51
RainCTwouldn't that go on #ubuntu? (just say it because there are more people there)09:52
_MMA_Odd..09:52
cbx33RainCT, yeh i suppose09:52
cbx33the other day I did setup some ip aliases09:52
cbx33hmmm09:52
cbx33maybe the router is still holding onto those09:53
RainCTah, and REVU's please check http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5773 (Open Invaders, i386, needs first advocate)09:53
gnomefreakcoNP: it built here fine :)09:58
coNPgnomefreak: yep as I said I forgot a pbuilder update09:58
gnomefreakcoNP: ok09:58
gesercbx33: what's the error message from ssh?09:59
cbx33nothing10:00
cbx33just hangs10:00
geserhmm10:00
cbx33wireshark shows data leaving one pc10:01
cbx33but nothing being returned from the other10:01
cbx33even though PING works10:01
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calcgot +1 from stefan :)10:07
calcnow i just need a vote from one of the remaining people... ajmitch, dholbach, etc :)10:08
xxxxx1bye all10:10
RainCThttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5773 (Open Invaders, i386, needs first advocate), thx10:15
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Ademananyone know why gtkradiant (http://www.qeradiant.com/top/) hasn't been packaged yet?10:27
man-diAdeman: because nobody did it10:27
Ademanreally? awesome10:27
man-diAdeman: are you volunteering?10:28
Ademanyep10:28
Ademanbut like10:28
Ademani've got a lot on my plate at the moment10:28
Ademanso in the near future, but not this month probably10:28
man-di...who doesn't...10:28
Ademanheh10:28
Ademanwell either way that's totally a package i'd be interested in doing10:29
man-dicool10:29
Ademanit seens a svn checkout is really the only way to get source of it though, no source releases..10:31
man-diAdeman: some upstreams are *really* nice :-(10:33
Ademanlol10:35
Ademanby the way, if i'm not mistaken, packages should never install to /usr/local   right?   since /usr/local is really just for from source or from a binary installer stuff right?10:36
man-dirigth, stuff should go to /usr10:37
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mok0Ademan: or /opt, according to FSSTD10:43
man-dimok0: but not according to Debian policy10:43
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mok0man-di: ok didn't know that10:44
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crimsunStevenK: got a minute to look at bug 122417?  As I see it, this problem is intractable; some portion of hardware is going to be bitten by "too quiet" and some portion, by "too loud".  What do you think of simply not restoring the state (volume) on boot and letting KDE's Kmix, GNOME's mixer_applet2, or Xfce's xfce4-mixer handle the restore on user session login?10:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122417 in alsa-modules-i386 "[Gutsy]  Volume is too high in new install on HP Pavilion dv8220" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12241710:47
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danhi all, anyone familiar with iozone benchmarking tool?10:48
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blueyedTheMuso: regarding bug 121458 - what should I do best? Send the (fixed) debdiff upstream to Debian?10:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121458 in httptunnel "[patch]  fix broken --stdin-stdout option that writes to stdin" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12145810:53
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RainCThttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5773 (Open Invaders, i386, needs first advocate), thx10:58
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RainCTgood night (and please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5773 :P)11:19
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gnomefreakjdong: i subscribed you to a bug i would like to speak to you about when you get time.11:53
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