[12:29] <asac> cool this one already has new apport hook data attached :) bug 122205
[12:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122205 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122205
[12:29] <asac> hjmf_: look ^^^
[12:29] <asac> hjmf_: probably the first bug with new apport hook data
[12:30] <asac> hjmf_: bug 122205 that is
[02:33] <gnomefreak> repo should be ready now. please let me know when i get here in morning if any problems
[02:56] <gnomefreak> tested pogo again with java5 and 6 both work in firefox ;)
[03:07] <gnomefreak> debian bug 377178
[03:07] <ubotu> Debian bug 377178 in mozilla "FTBFS with GCC 4.2: C/C++ linkage declarations conflict" [Important,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/377178
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> damn, getting that bitlbee error: localhost not found...
[09:06] <hjmf> asac: yeah  it's the first one bug 122205
[09:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122205 in firefox "[GUTSY]  firefox-bin crashed with signal 5" [High,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122205
[09:06] <hjmf> :)
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> new gutsy bug...does it need a clue file?
[09:07] <hjmf> but again another gutsy crash report w/o coredum or stacktrace. As it is auto tagged as need-i386-retrace
[09:07] <hjmf> lets hope they have the coredump hide somewhere
[09:08] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: those reports doesn't provide useful info yet.
[09:08] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: check the ExtensionSummary.txt attached on it
[09:08] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago:  maybe we want to find bug reports by their installed extensions
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> can do
[09:09] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: this one is the first real one that uses the new apport hook :)
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> i saw
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe we can toss out the default theme/
[09:13] <asac> morning
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there
[09:14] <hjmf> morning
[09:15] <asac> he
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> seriously, i think the phone company did somehting
[09:16] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: that's the easy think, probably is your fault :-P
[09:17] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: no i haven't touched my router or modem since I got them installed and about 4 days ago all my computers went nuts
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> including my Kubuntu box, my sister's Ubuntu lappy, and the XP box
[09:19] <hjmf> maybe the dhcpd of the router
[09:19] <hjmf> oops he's off again
[09:22] <Admiral_Chicago> this network thing is frustrating because i want to upgrade to gutsy but that won't happen without a connection that doesn't time out
[09:23] <asac> hjmf: pitti> asac: just reject apport crashes from kernel 2.6.22-6, it is broken
[09:23] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: i know what you mean ... i had loads of troubles with my connnection this spring
[09:24] <hjmf> asac: ok, that's the reason :)
[09:24] <asac> hjmf: -7 is good again
[09:24] <asac> e.g. core dumps are produced
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: i'm just going to ring the phone company, they probably did it working in the area.
[09:25] <hjmf> asac: cool
[09:26] <asac> hjmf: invalidated ;)
[09:26] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: be kind, I used to work for a time in a phone company receiving user's reclamations :)
[09:27] <hjmf> asac: excellent, I'll review the other gutsy crashes and I'll do the same asap
[09:27] <hjmf> afk for some minutes
[09:27] <asac> great ... anyone has serious use for network-manager here?
[09:27] <asac> e.g. can test?
[09:28] <asac> on gutsy that is :/
[09:29] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: i always am polite to the help desk people.
[09:30] <asac> my level of politeness depends on the level of niceness help deskee
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> the only time I haven't been polite is when the guy didn't listen to me and kept telling me to try things out in Windows
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> when it was a hardware erro
[09:34] <asac> yeah ... i don't want to remember when i got angry :) ... but it was always justified ;)
[09:37] <Admiral_Chicago> hehe
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> asac gnomefreak: new jabber ID... freddymartinez9@gmail.com
[09:39] <Admiral_Chicago> that goes for anyone who wants to add me too
[09:41] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: done (i dropped the other two
[09:41] <asac> )
[09:41] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: please ack
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> ack?
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> wait a sec...
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> i see
[09:43] <asac> still not authorized :)
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: i know. its trough gmail and i haven't seen a notification
[09:44] <asac> ah ... you can use a good jabber client with gmail too
[09:44] <asac> (in case you wondered) :)
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> kopete, i have it set up
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll figure it out in a bit
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> brb
[09:45] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: just grant authorization
[09:45] <asac> you usually can do that even without receiving a request
[09:45] <asac> :)
[09:49] <asac> @schedule berlin
[09:49] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 26 Jun 15:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Jun 13:00: MOTU Team
[09:49] <asac> oh in 5 hours :)
[10:02] <hjmf> hey, yes :)
[10:02] <hjmf> I'm out for the morning, I'll be back in time
[10:02] <hjmf> cy
[12:23] <bluekuja_> heya
[12:23] <bluekuja_> asac: :)
[12:23] <asac> ola
[12:23] <bluekuja> ola :)
[12:23] <bluekuja> received accepted mail
[12:23] <bluekuja> ;)
[12:26] <bluekuja> built succesfully
[12:26] <bluekuja> in all archs
[12:29] <Admiral_Chicago> everytime i use it it requires some configurations that I can never figure out
[12:35] <asac> bluekuja: good
[12:35] <bluekuja> :)
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> does Tb include support for GPG keys OTB?
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> afaik, it doesnt
[12:40] <bluekuja> asac: gonna apply for MOTU membership soon ;)
[12:41] <asac> bluekuja: how long do you contribute packages now?
[12:41] <bluekuja> asac: started one year and two months ago, with my first upload to REVU
[12:42] <asac> bluekuja: oh ... yes then i think you can give it a try soon
[12:42] <bluekuja> (gtorrent-viewer now synced)
[12:43] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, gonna wait libagg to be synced in ubuntu
[12:43] <bluekuja> and I ping my sponsors for the mail
[12:43] <bluekuja> (as cc)
[12:44] <asac> bluekuja: i told motu reception that I keep my student slot for you for another month ... if you are out of this earlier ... even better :)
[12:44] <bluekuja> :)
[12:44] <bluekuja> asac: before sending the mail, I gonna ping you
[12:45] <asac> sure
[12:45] <bluekuja> so you know that you should receive the mail
[12:45] <bluekuja> :)
[12:54] <asac> i hate wiping a system
[12:54] <asac> when do you know there is nothing left you wanna keep?
[01:36] <Admiral_Chicago> added back gnomefreak. thanks
[01:36] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:38] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[01:38] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 26 Jun 09:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Jun 07:00: MOTU Team
[01:41] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i'm waiting on the CC meeting as well
[02:01] <hjmf> hi, I'm back
[02:01] <hjmf> time to have some lunch :)
[02:01] <asac> hjmf: :)
[02:01] <asac> gnomefreak: will you attend?
[02:01] <asac> i case hjmf gets on topic and i don't see please ping me in channel and pm :)
[02:08] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:13] <gnomefreak> asac: can you please hold iceape for a little while? i would like to get something in it if possible before upload
[02:13] <gnomefreak> ill look at it today/tomorrow and see if its as easy a change as i think
[02:14] <gnomefreak> unless you already have it built
[02:15] <Admiral_Chicago> i love bzr sometimes
[02:15] <gnomefreak> i hate it
[02:16] <asac> gnomefreak: what do you want to get in?
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/python-launchpad-bugs/main/changes
[02:16] <gnomefreak> saving bookmarks should prompt you to save and where
[02:17] <Admiral_Chicago> its useful to see changes in your code without needing a seperate package
[02:17] <gnomefreak> instead of just saving it with no dialog
[02:17] <asac> do you have a patch for that or what?
[02:17] <gnomefreak> asac: not yet will be looking at it today/tomorrow
[02:17] <asac> gnomefreak: i think its better to ask upstream to fix this
[02:17] <asac> than doing this on our own
[02:17] <asac> unless its just a preference of course
[02:18] <gnomefreak> upstream == debian or upstream == mozilla
[02:18] <gnomefreak> i was thinking it was a prefference
[02:18] <gnomefreak> but dont know until i get to it
[02:18] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: ty for planet post
[02:18] <asac> mozilla
[02:20] <gnomefreak> asac: are you handling gnash in debian?
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> np gnomefreak
[02:23] <asac> gnomefreak: more or less
[02:23] <asac> why?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> baby just uploaded new version but it looks the same as your version
[02:25] <asac> gnomefreak: she uploaded to mentors.debian.net
[02:25] <asac> she has no upload rights
[02:25] <asac> so no need to worry
[02:25] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[02:25] <asac> here package is ment for experimental
[02:25] <asac> i would refuse to sponsor what she did to main
[02:25] <asac> (e.g. unstable -> lenny)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[02:26] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:26] <gnomefreak> it is set to true :(
[02:27] <gnomefreak> browser.bookmarks.confirm_sorting  default boolean true
[02:30] <gnomefreak> that is the setting isnt it?
[02:51] <gnomefreak> asac: is that the setting that would control that?
[02:57] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't think so
[02:57] <asac> its about sorting ... not about saving
[02:57] <gnomefreak> that was the only one i found that would have anything to do with bookmarks, i filed upstream bug and marked LP bug with upstream
[02:58] <hjmf> nothing better for a summer day :)
[03:00] <gnomefreak> im gonna be a little late to meeting but shouldnt matter much as there are thngs before membership
[03:01] <hjmf> yes the agenda looks plenty of stuff
[03:03] <hjmf> meeting starts
[03:03] <hjmf> @now
[03:03] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 26 2007, 13:03:27 - Current meeting: Community Council
[03:04] <Admiral_Chicago> good luck hjmf. i'll be there
[03:06] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: thanks
[03:13] <hjmf> ...this gonna take long
[03:13] <asac> hjmf: should i drop my texta bout you to wiki?
[03:13] <asac> (too)
[03:14] <hjmf> asac: do it please
[03:14] <hjmf> asac: if you wish
[03:14] <hjmf> asac:  I think it will be enough to support me at the meeting :)
[03:15] <asac> hjmf: yeah problem is i have fear to miss
[03:15] <asac> i will be here though :)
[03:16] <asac> you have wiki link?
[03:16] <hjmf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HMontoliu
[03:16] <gnomefreak> asac: send a pm to me or Admiral_Chicago if you are gonna miss it just saying htat you support him for membership and why
[03:16] <gnomefreak> that should be plenty, since nomrally we pm seveas as secretary
[03:17] <gnomefreak> ^^^ easy way
[03:17] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll be there, let me know
[03:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i added my text to wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HMontoliu
[03:25] <gnomefreak> asac: ty
[03:25] <asac> gnomefreak: in case i don't jump in quick ... paste it thanks!
[03:26] <gnomefreak> asac: you got it
[03:29] <hjmf> asac: thank you :)
[03:38] <asac> why do people talk polish in -meeting?
[03:38] <asac> and are not kicked?
[03:38] <hjmf> asac: is serbian
[03:38] <hjmf> dunno but's quite boring
[03:38] <asac> ... i hate patriotism :)
[03:38] <hjmf> :)
[03:40] <asac> so does scp -r follow links?
[03:41] <hjmf> probably not
[03:42] <asac> yeah  ... but still i do a find alex/ | grep png$ | wc -l ... and get about 30
[03:42] <asac> but if i scp -r alex ... i see about 2000 png files being copied
[03:44] <hjmf>  find . -name '*png' -exec scp {} \;
[03:44] <hjmf> will copy those you find
[03:44] <asac> yeah i know
[03:44] <asac> but scp -r should work as well
[03:45] <asac> i am just scared
[03:45] <asac> no idea where those files are
[03:45] <hjmf> ah :)
[03:45] <hjmf> check the syntax of the scp, maybe is recursively coping dirs
[03:47] <asac> its ment to
[03:47] <asac> it should copy all
[03:47] <asac> its a backup run
[03:47] <asac> but apparently it also copies files from withing my /usr/share/ ... dir
[03:47] <asac> loads and loads of pngs
[03:47] <asac> and whatever else
[03:47] <hjmf> weird
[03:48] <asac> this gives me really bad feeling
[03:48] <asac> appears to copy whole disk
[03:49] <asac> interestingly enough it didn't do this when i copied alex by cp -a to /tmp/
[03:49] <asac> because i wanted to clean things up
[03:49] <asac> first
[03:50] <asac> ok now i tarred this up
[03:50] <asac> so i surrendered
[03:52] <asac> ok now i wipe this piece of shit (sorry for my aggressive wording, but i try to backup this system for 5 hours or so now)
[03:53] <hjmf> yeah I know how frustrating can be shit :(
[03:55] <gnomefreak> yay new kernel :(
[03:57] <asac> yeah ... its getting better. ... my intermediate storage was on a broken hd ... which is probably why i got this wierd behaviour ... now i only copied trash ... back to square one
[04:02] <asac> hjmf: how many before you are on topic?
[04:02] <hjmf> 9
[04:02] <hjmf> I'm the 9th
[04:02] <hjmf> they have finished with loco's
[04:02] <gnomefreak> hes 9th
[04:03] <gnomefreak> thats assuming everyone is here
[04:05] <gnomefreak> i hate complicated updates
[04:05] <asac> so probably its 2h :)
[04:06] <gnomefreak> i have to reboot im hoping crimsun gets back to me before i do
[04:07] <asac> ok in 1h I have phone conference about 1.8.0 security support
[04:07] <gnomefreak> screw it ill brb i hope
[04:11] <hjmf> 6 to go
[04:25] <gnomefreak> did i miss the first 3 items on agenda?
[04:25] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: yea
[04:25] <gnomefreak> did they miss it or just me
[04:25] <gnomefreak> before loco teams
[04:26] <hjmf> they skip them
[04:26] <gnomefreak> :(
[04:26] <hjmf> they wanted to ping dfarning for the derivative team
[04:27] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago told them that he is not around for some time
[04:27] <gnomefreak> oh o i saw thar
[04:27] <gnomefreak> that
[04:30] <gnomefreak> i put my thing on your wiki so i dont flood -meeting with it
[04:31] <hjmf> gnomefreak: thank you
[04:32] <gnomefreak> there fixed it :)
[04:32] <gnomefreak> anytime
[04:51] <gnomefreak> hjmf: im on phone and looks like it will be a little while can you please point them to the thing i left on your wiki?
[04:52] <hjmf> sure, but it gonna take a bit long there are still 3 before
[04:54] <gnomefreak> ty
[04:54] <asac> ok ... 5 minutes till conference :(
[04:54] <asac> how many to go?
[04:54] <jerome_> hello
[04:55] <asac> ah ok 3
[04:55] <hjmf> gnomefreak: Admiral_Chicago asac tonyyarusso I'm the next after the one now
[04:55] <hjmf> asac: no just one
[04:55] <asac> oh
[04:55] <asac> cross-fingers :)
[04:55] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i'm there
[04:56] <hjmf> asac: pm dholbach as he already ask for that for people who had to be away
[04:56] <asac> i did
[04:56] <hjmf> asac: ty
[04:58] <jerome_> i would like to join the ubuntu-mozillateam
[04:59] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: ty
[05:07] <gnomefreak> what did i miss?
[05:08] <gnomefreak> hjmf: did you not go this time?
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> no i think they are ajourning
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> there is another meeting
[05:09] <gnomefreak> they are
[05:09] <asac> hjmf: hmmm ok
[05:09] <asac> jerome_: hey ... let us know what you like to do?
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> sucks...sorry hjmf
[05:10] <jerome_> asac : well I think bug triaging would be a good start
[05:10] <asac> jerome_: beginner or advanced?
[05:10] <Admiral_Chicago> that would be a good start
[05:10] <hjmf> yeah I could made this evening for this, probable next time will be more difficult
[05:10] <asac> hjmf: usually CC meetings are late at night
[05:10] <jerome_> asac : well I don't really know, have a look : https://bugs.launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci
[05:10] <asac> hjmf: this time was an exception imo
[05:11] <hjmf> let's hope :(
[05:11] <asac> jerome_: looks good .... please read the page about tags and states on the wiki
[05:11] <asac> we have a slightly refined bug workflow
[05:12] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/States
[05:12] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags
[05:13] <jerome_> asac : ok I'm reading
[05:14] <asac> jerome_: might not be 100% up-to-date ... but should give you the idea
[05:15] <asac> jerome_: actually all tags are associated with a more a less similar/recurring task ... so mt-needtestcase for instance tags bugs that triagers can work on to get a good testcase out of them
[05:16] <asac> and until there is a step-by-step instruciton the bug cannot move forward ... et al
[05:16] <jerome_> asac : i see
[05:16] <asac> just let me know if there is something not comprehensible from tex
[05:16] <asac> t
[05:16] <jerome_> asac : ok, the basic status of launchpad are not precise enough ?
[05:17] <gnomefreak> thats right i forgot there was the kernel-team meeting 2hours after CC
[05:17] <asac> jerome_: yes
[05:17] <asac> they don't let you pick a task
[05:17] <jerome_> asac : ok perfect
[05:17] <asac> jerome_: as a side effect we can discover triaging-bugs
[05:17] <asac> e.g. bugs that have been bounced to other state by people that don't know what they do
[05:18] <jerome_> asac : like me two days ago :)
[05:18] <asac> e.g. if you have a not valid tag state combination on a bug the bug should be reviewed by a mozillateam triager
[05:18] <asac> ah :)
[05:18] <jerome_> ok i understand
[05:18] <asac> jerome_: i think i discovered you in maillogs though
[05:18] <asac> jerome_: for instance we have a bughelper result
[05:18] <asac> http://daniel.holba.ch/bugs/firefox.html
[05:19] <asac> 'Wrong Status/Tag-Combination for Status 'Confirmed'' .. those are bugs that are candidates to be triaging bugs
[05:19] <asac> howevever bughelper is not perfect and if there are multiple tasks associated with a bug it gets confused
[05:19] <asac> so there are false-positives in that list
[05:19] <jerome_> asac : ok, this gets updated automatically ?
[05:19] <asac> jerome_: yes
[05:19] <asac> every 3 hours or so
[05:19] <jerome_> asac : great !
[05:20] <asac> jerome_: for instance http://launchpad.net/bugs/73536 ... this might be a false-positive
[05:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 73536 in firefox "MASTER Firefox crashes on instant X server shutdown" [Medium,In progress] 
[05:20] <asac> because its in progress + confirmed
[05:20] <asac> anyway ... that list gives a good starter where to clean things up
[05:20] <asac> e.g. look at bugs with wrong state and see whats going on
[05:21] <asac> maybe it has been confirmed by some user ... without any request to get a testcase et al
[05:21] <jerome_> ok
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> you could use bug 122309 as an example
[05:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122309 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122309
[05:21] <jerome_> i will read this carefully and then start working :)
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm away
[05:22] <asac> jerome_: yes just triage right away
[05:22] <asac> if we see any bugs in the way you work we will let you know :)
[05:22] <jerome_> asac : ok perfect
[05:22] <asac> jerome_: another important tag is mt-upstream
[05:23] <asac> those need to be searched in bugzilla
[05:23] <asac> and if you tried hard but didn't find a duplicate comment this in bug
[05:23] <asac> when 2-3 triagers have done this we gonna move tag to mt-postupstream
[05:23] <jerome_> ok
[05:23] <jerome_> that well organised !
[05:23] <asac> jerome_: anyway .. just go ahead ;)
[05:23] <jerome_> *that's
[05:24] <asac> there are too many bugs for firefox ... and if we don't do it this way, bugs might get lost in the noise ... and never processed :)
[05:24] <jerome_> asac : ok I will try to do my best, I will start tomorrow (have a few bugs to report upstream)
[05:24] <gnomefreak> asac: what are we doing with gtk_relize, we cant fix in feisty at all seeing as this is a totem code issue do we look on gnomes bugzilla for upstream?
[05:24] <jerome_> asac : well i can see that
[05:25] <gnomefreak> example bug 91334
[05:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91334 in firefox "MASTER (variant) Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize]   " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91334
[05:28] <hjmf> I'm off for a while, thank you all for staying around for the meeting. You rock :)
[05:28] <gnomefreak> also seems to be fixed in gutsy
[05:33] <asac> hjmf: cu ... and sorry
[05:33] <asac> hjmf: i should have encouraged you earlier ... then you would have been further on top of the list
[05:40] <gnomefreak> this is odd
[05:46] <gnomefreak> theme manager freezes :(
[05:46] <asac> gnome?
[05:46] <gnomefreak> yeah
[05:47] <gnomefreak> its called appearence
[05:47] <asac> gnomefreak: gtk_style_realize was fixed in gutsy?
[05:47] <gnomefreak> no matter how i open it it never fully loads
[05:47] <gnomefreak> asac: as far as i can tell when it wasnt freezing but now i cant test it as i cant get theme to open fullly
[05:51] <asac> ok monitor is now plugged elsewhere ... so expect no response until gutsy install is done
[05:59] <hjmf> asac: it was just bad luck :)
[06:00] <hjmf> 533 open reports, we just need to close 34 for a new record < 500 :)
[06:03] <gnomefreak> Host 'GutsyGibbon', running Linux 2.6.22-7-generic - Cpu0: Intel 1681 MHz; Up: 1:53; Users: 3; Load: 0.18; Free: [Mem: 9/249 Mio]  [Swap: 611/729 Mio]  [/: 17889/37872 Mio] ; Vpenis: 31.1 cm;
[06:14] <bluekuja> hjmf, heya!
[06:15] <bluekuja> new member?
[06:19] <hjmf> bluekuja: nope, the meeting got out of time before my turn, bad luck :/
[06:19] <bluekuja> awwwww
[06:19] <bluekuja> when there will be next cc meeting?
[06:19] <bluekuja> (to be decided?)
[06:19] <hjmf> yes
[06:19] <bluekuja> where's asac?
[06:20] <bluekuja> gonna be away for whole evening/night?
[06:33] <asac> bluekuja: of course not
[06:33] <bluekuja> haha
[06:33] <bluekuja> :)
[06:33] <asac> i am installing gutsy on my old system
[06:33] <bluekuja> oh :D
[06:33] <asac> hjmf: yuhuu
[06:33] <asac> 500 ... that would be a dream
[06:34] <hjmf> we are close to it :)
[06:34] <bluekuja> asac: I've started putting down some lines for the mail
[06:34] <bluekuja> it has to be perfect in every point
[07:15] <asac> hjmf: lets accelerate ... tribe-2 will have apport enabled
[07:15] <asac> hurry hurry
[07:48] <gnomefreak> asac: remember what app was crashing on me after the glib warning?
[07:48] <asac> vlc
[07:49] <gnomefreak> ty
[07:55] <hjmf> asac: cool :P
[07:55] <asac> actually i have the feeling that the apport package my system is currently pulling has it already enabled
[07:55] <asac> ... so maybe we will not make the 500
[08:05] <hjmf> asac: noticed a bunch of crashes
[08:05] <hjmf> let's have fun
[08:05] <hjmf> asac: I've filed bug 122374
[08:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122374 in gxine "added Xb-Npp-xxx tags accordingly to "firefox distro add-on suport" spec" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122374
[08:05] <hjmf> for gxineplugin
[08:07] <hjmf> asac: 2 of the three new crashes are from people with kernel 2.6.22-6 so I'll reject them, but one is from kernel 2.6.22-7 and it doesn't have coredump nor retraces either
[08:08] <hjmf> that one is bug 122350
[08:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122350 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122350
[08:10] <asac> hjmf: really?
[08:11] <hjmf> yep, maybe the kernel issue is not fixed on -7
[08:13] <asac> hjmf: why is there no apport hoook info?
[08:13] <asac> what firefox package introduced those?
[08:14] <hjmf> the last one
[08:14] <hjmf> they dont seem to have attached our hook
[08:15] <asac> who is they?
[08:15] <asac> i mean ... we ship the hook ;)
[08:15] <hjmf> 2.0.0.4+2-0ubuntu2
[08:16] <asac> hmmm maybe attaching for him was broken?
[08:16] <hjmf> btw apport was updated today too
[08:16] <asac> hmm ... i think i know what todo :) ... make firefox crash ;)
[08:16] <asac> i have a testing i386 gutsy system finally ;)
[08:18] <hjmf> I would do a test too, but from the chroot the kernel will be feisty's one
[08:19] <asac> right ... i tried virtualbox now
[08:19] <asac> but it didn't get a boot record installed :(
[08:33] <hjmf> a non crash collects right the info (bug 122388) but it is a feisty kernel though
[08:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122388 in firefox "gutsy report" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122388
[08:35] <asac> hjmf: maybe its a bug in apport
[08:35] <asac> lets observer
[08:35] <asac> i will have to switch monitors as apparently i need a running x session
[08:35] <asac> to use totem
[08:35] <asac> plugin
[08:43] <asac_the_gibbon> hjmf 122393
[08:43] <asac_the_gibbon> bug 122393
[08:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122393 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122393
[08:44] <asac_the_gibbon> damn gutsy fonts are really huge
[08:46] <asac> hmm
[08:47] <asac> hjmf: i think we should really try to get the most duped bugs into the auto-dupe database
[08:47] <asac> otherwise we run into problems :/
[08:58] <asac> ok break for a few
[09:37] <asac> hjmf: maybe we should also add if beryl or compiz is running
[09:37] <asac> i just tried desktop effects and i couldn't resize a window
[09:37] <asac> so bugs like Bug 120351
[09:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120351 in firefox "My Email and firefox browser cannot be minimised on to the task bar and when i close it i have to restart computer to open another browser." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120351
[09:38] <asac> might be just desktop effects related
[09:38] <asac> just as an example (this issue might as well be due to something else)
[10:01] <gnomefreak> bug 122252
[10:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122252 in alsa-lib "libasound2: user unfriendly update message re. default card" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122252
[10:02] <gnomefreak> i wondered why that happened :)
[10:03] <gnomefreak> network-mangler is uploaded that means freeze should be soon
[10:05] <gnomefreak> if i get time tonight or remember for tomorrow i will add a few other debugging things exabmple turn off beryl/compiz and see if it goes away to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/
[10:05] <gnomefreak> they both cause usiblity issues
[10:07] <hjmf> asac: that was a huge report :)
[10:11] <gnomefreak> asac: did your java packages end up in feisty?
[10:13] <asac> hjmf: huge?
[10:13] <asac> gnomefreak: they are not ment to land in official feisty
[10:13] <hjmf> I meant with all the attached stuff etc...
[10:13] <hjmf> :)
[10:13] <asac> gnomefreak: they fix a gutsy only issue
[10:13] <asac> hjmf: yeah right
[10:13] <gnomefreak> asac: thought so
[10:14] <asac> hjmf: i think we should attach more :)
[10:14] <asac> hjmf: xorg.conf :)
[10:14] <hjmf> yeah I'm thinking about how to determine the wm running, but I guess I'm too tired now :)
[10:14] <asac> gnomefreak: they are only needed for preview archive users
[10:15] <hjmf> ah xorg.conf
[10:15] <hjmf> yeah
[10:15] <asac> hjmf: yes ... wm?
[10:15] <asac> or desktop environment?
[10:15] <hjmf> window manager
[10:15] <hjmf> or desktop environment
[10:15] <hjmf> I was thinking in metacity vs beryl vs compiz
[10:16] <hjmf> because of those reports about maximize/minimize stuff ...
[10:17] <asac> yes ... hard to say
[10:17] <asac> probably some X11 call ;)
[10:17] <asac> the answer might be a solution for other things that need to determine what is running atm
[10:18] <hjmf> yes, a ps tree or something
[10:18] <asac> hmm
[10:18] <asac> probably won't work
[10:18] <asac> more likely lsof :)
[10:19] <asac> you can have multiple X sessions open by same user at same time
[10:19] <asac> you have to figure out what is running on current display
[10:20] <asac> lsof would be hacky ... which is why i thought maybe there is a x11 call that gives you meta info about display or applications on display
[10:20] <hjmf> yes, that's why I havent figure anything yet
[10:20] <asac> as i said: its a more or less long-standing problem to do it proper ;)
[10:21] <hjmf> :)
[10:21] <asac> though probably there was not just enough efford to find a solution
[10:21] <asac> should be doable ;)
[10:25] <gnomefreak> asac: we didnt get java6 update 1 yet :(
[10:25] <asac> we didn't ?
[10:25] <asac> where?
[10:25] <gnomefreak> i dont think so
[10:26] <asac> in gutsy?
[10:26] <gnomefreak> !info sun-java6-bin gutsy
[10:26] <ubotu> sun-java6-bin: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 25604 kB, installed size 76684 kB
[10:26] <gnomefreak> its 6.00-2
[10:26] <gnomefreak> im assuming thats version 6.00 debian 2 ubuntu3
[10:27] <asac> gnomefreak: is it stuck in queue or what=?
[10:27] <asac> its built
[10:27] <asac> according to lp
[10:27] <asac> on i386
[10:27] <asac> and amd64
[10:27] <gnomefreak> asac: dont know i dont have the links
[10:27] <gnomefreak> cant find NEW anymore
[10:27] <asac> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[10:28] <asac> !newqueue
[10:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about newqueue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:28] <asac> :)
[10:28] <gnomefreak> ty
[10:28] <asac> !newqueue is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[10:28] <ubotu> I'll remember that, asac
[10:28] <asac> !newqueue
[10:28] <ubotu> newqueue is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[10:29] <gnomefreak> ty
[10:30] <gnomefreak> 6-00-2ubuntu3  Release   2007-06-25 10:43:58 EDT  2007-06-25
[10:30] <asac> its in there?
[10:30] <gnomefreak> the only sun-java in any of them is just in done
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: its there for me
[10:31] <gnomefreak> i will try a better search but sun-java search should have found it i would think
[10:31] <gnomefreak> asac: in NEW?
[10:31] <asac> (gutsy)asac@hector:~/mozilla/trunk/mozilla$ apt-cache show sun-java6-bin | grep Version
[10:31] <asac> Version: 6-00-2ubuntu3
[10:31] <asac> in archive
[10:31] <asac> (gutsy)root@hector:/home/asac/mozilla/trunk/mozilla# apt-cache policy sun-java6-bin
[10:32] <asac> sun-java6-bin:
[10:32] <gnomefreak> that is no update 1 is it?
[10:32] <asac>   Installed: 6-00-2ubuntu2
[10:32] <asac>   Candidate: 6-00-2ubuntu3
[10:32] <asac>   Version table:
[10:32] <asac>      6-00-2ubuntu3 0
[10:32] <asac>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse Packages
[10:32] <asac>  *** 6-00-2ubuntu2 0
[10:32] <asac>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:32] <asac> probably your archive is not in sync
[10:32] <asac> use archive.ubuntu.com
[10:32] <asac> i switched because network-manager took too long to come to de.archive.ubuntu.com
[10:32] <gnomefreak> asac: that is not update 1 is it?
[10:32] <asac> he?
[10:32] <asac> i don't understand
[10:32] <gnomefreak> java 6 update 1 is out from java
[10:33] <asac> no ... no new java upstream
[10:33] <asac> just fix for firefox plugin
[10:33] <asac> new java upstream will go in soon
[10:33] <asac> right after tribe-2 is out
[10:33] <gnomefreak> asac: thats what i was wondering if new upstream was in yet
[10:34] <asac> ah
[10:34] <asac> no
[10:37] <hjmf> night guys
[10:46] <bluekuja> asac: mail is ready. gonna send it tomorrow
[10:46] <bluekuja> evening
[10:46] <bluekuja> :)
[11:05] <bluekuja> asac: night
[11:05] <bluekuja> cu tomorrow
[11:05] <bluekuja> (great day)
[11:05] <bluekuja> :D
[11:39] <gnomefreak> i hate this
[11:40] <gnomefreak> remind me NEVER to file another bug :(
[11:40] <JenFraggle> what's wrong?
[11:40] <gnomefreak> bug 122330
[11:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122330 in gnome-control-center "[Gutsy]  Gnome Appearance windows freezes and fails to finish loading " [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122330
[11:40] <gnomefreak> look how many attachments and still working on them
[11:41] <JenFraggle> bless
[11:42] <JenFraggle> think of how good you will feel when it is fixed
[12:03] <gnomefreak> bbs need smoke