[12:43] <Shred01> how would you guys feel about packaging a real upstart script for the backend rather than the initscript that is currently being packaged?
[12:43] <superm1_> Shred01, that sounds like a great idea
[12:44] <superm1_> especially if you've learned how to do upstart scripts now :)
[12:45] <Shred01> superm1: they're actually quite simple (at least) for the straightforward cases.
[12:45] <Shred01> my frontend upstart script:
[12:46] <Shred01> start on started mythtv-backend
[12:46] <Shred01> exec su - mythtv -c "exec /usr/bin/xinit /usr/bin/mythfrontend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log"
[12:46] <Shred01> post-start script
[12:46] <Shred01>     su - mythtv -c "DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/nvidia-settings -l"
[12:46] <Shred01> end script
[12:46] <superm1_> use pastebin for such things in the future, Shred01
[12:46] <superm1_> !pastebin | Shred01
[12:46] <ubotu> Shred01: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:47] <superm1_> well mythbackend is a bit more complex of a case i would say though
[12:47] <superm1_> depending on networking, nfs, mysql
[12:47] <Shred01> yeah, you are right.  i just hate the context change back forth between the browser and the irc client
[12:48] <Shred01> superm1: yeah, i've just been discussing with the upstart folks.  unfortunately the old initscripts don't emit event information, so we'd just have mythbackend wait until rc2 was complete
[12:49] <superm1> well gutsy is supposed to replace a lot of that
[12:49] <superm1> from what i've heard discussed in #Ubuntu-devel
[12:50] <Shred01> yeah, it was supposed to be feisty but that didn't quite happen
[12:51] <superm1> well if you want to prep an upstart style script instead for the backend, i'm all for it.  for now have it go once rc2 is done, and when the upstart guys migrate the old init style scripts over, switch this over
[01:11] <Shred01> right.
[01:12] <Shred01> let me see what i can do.  time is tight tonight.
[01:13] <superm1> Shred01, take your time, whenever you get a moment
[02:24] <superm1> Daviey, go to bed already?
[02:54] <superm1> Xenocide, any news?
[02:54] <Xenocide> superm1,  your right on how slow they are, she promised to email me my appointment with HR for orientation this morning, never did
[02:54] <superm1> you gonna be on sametime tomororow?
[02:54] <superm1> haha
[02:54] <Xenocide> she told me i have it, just waiting on her and HR
[02:55] <superm1> yup that's always the hang up
[02:55] <Xenocide> she said she would "love to have me on board"
[02:55] <Xenocide> she better hurry up, im only in raleigh till aug 14th
[02:55] <Xenocide> not much time to work
[02:56] <superm1> well depending on how active you are with this conversion, they can always make you a remote intern
[02:56] <superm1> too
[02:57] <Xenocide> that would be freaking sweet
[02:57] <Xenocide> if i could work say, weekends from charlotte
[02:57] <superm1> they did that for my old roomate
[02:57] <superm1> he is a grad student and still works remotely
[02:57] <Xenocide> ill have to discuss that come begining of august
[02:57] <superm1> for 6-12 hrs
[03:00] <superm1> so any eta?
[03:00] <Xenocide> hell
[03:00] <Xenocide> who knows
[03:00] <Xenocide> she told me she was going to email me at 4
[03:00] <Xenocide> thats 5 hours ago
[03:01] <superm1> whats her name?
[03:01] <Xenocide> merrilee tillison i think
[03:01] <Xenocide> something like that
[03:01] <superm1> no results for that name
[03:01] <Xenocide> tomlinson
[03:01] <Xenocide> why?
[03:02] <superm1> ah found her
[03:02] <superm1> she's set as away, likely gone for the evening then
[03:02] <Xenocide> shes been working from home
[03:02] <superm1> ah a build manager she is
[03:03] <superm1> was she supposed to email your or the HR person though?
[03:03] <Xenocide> yup
[03:03] <Xenocide> she was
[03:03] <Xenocide> i still haven't throw in an application or anything
[03:03] <Xenocide> stil have to do all that junk
[03:03] <superm1> oh your not going to be working for at least another 1-2 weeks then
[03:03] <superm1> did you to IPAT yet?
[03:03] <Xenocide> ...
[03:03] <Xenocide> i haevn't done anything
[03:03] <Xenocide> she just called me
[03:03] <Xenocide> asked me to speak to this guy
[03:03] <Xenocide> then said, alright you got a job
[03:04] <superm1> haha
[03:04] <superm1> well you've got some time to go then
[03:04] <Xenocide> ...
[03:04] <Xenocide> if i wait 1-2 weeks ill only be working for 3-4 weeks
[03:04] <superm1> should have done this sooner!
[03:04] <Xenocide> its not my fault!
[03:05] <Xenocide> i mean i have an application in at ibm
[03:05] <Xenocide> but not this job
[03:05] <superm1> well probably not the full application every new emp needs to do though
[03:05] <Xenocide> she said she didn't have a position opend till she talked to me
[03:05] <superm1> did it take you about 40min - hr to finish
[03:05] <Xenocide> no
[03:05] <Xenocide> your killing me here man
[03:05] <superm1> and go over your job history, address history, all that stuff
[03:05] <superm1> ah
[03:05] <superm1> haha
[03:05] <Xenocide> im was expecting to be in there by the end of the week
[03:06] <superm1> well unless they find a way to push you around the politics
[03:06] <superm1> (unlikely)
[03:06] <Xenocide> i hate you
[03:06] <Xenocide> hahha
[03:06] <superm1> hey at least i'm telling you how it is :)
[03:06] <Xenocide> bahhh
[03:07] <superm1> speaking of which
[03:07] <superm1> i should get back home already
[03:07] <superm1> its getting late here
[03:11] <superm1> see ya
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #119542 in ubiquity (main) "Mythbuntu installation crash. syslog and partman contents. (dup-of: 119055)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119542
[09:25] <tuxie_fl> good morning.  Why can't i get any zap2it listings??  I could a few days ago ;(
[12:23] <laga> tuxie_fl: do you get any errors?
[02:58] <tuxie_fl> morning laga
[03:03] <tuxie_fl> yeah, found the error, thanks
[03:22] <superm1> morning guys
[03:22] <superm1> Daviey, i got up earlier foru
[03:24] <Daviey> morning superm1
[03:24] <Daviey> Can you give me 5 mins?
[03:24] <superm1> \sure
[03:33] <Daviey> back
[03:34] <Daviey> right lets work on these meta packages.. :)
[03:35] <superm1> indeed
[03:35] <superm1> so in the bzr branch find that seeds directory
[03:36] <superm1> thats where the magic needs to start
[03:36] <Daviey> k
[03:37] <superm1> the files in that directory are used to describe what is included in different metas after germination
[03:38] <Daviey> doh
[03:38] <superm1> so these seeds will sit on mythbuntu.org when done
[03:38] <Daviey> Are you using bazar on gutsy?
[03:38] <superm1> feisty
[03:39] <Daviey> seems broken on gutsy
[03:39] <Daviey> better reboot into fesity
[03:39] <Daviey> brb
[03:41] <Daviey> back
[03:42] <superm1> so on pegaus, /var/www/seeds is already symlinked to the bzr location
[03:42] <superm1> in the branch
[03:42] <superm1> so you commit your changes, and then bzrupdate on pegasus and the seeds are ready
[03:44] <Daviey> okay
[03:45] <superm1> last time i touched it was when mythbuntu was feisty based
[03:45] <superm1> so its gotta be bumped to gutsy
[03:46] <Daviey> okay.. i've cp'd /feisty to /gutsy
[03:47] <Daviey> so i need to go through all the files and change settings to gutsy stuff first?
[03:47] <superm1> well at least download the gutsy ubuntu-meta source and compare how it's done, if there are any relevant changes
[03:47] <superm1> i provided a preinst and postinst
[03:47] <superm1> that start doing some stuff from mythbuntu_install.sh
[03:48] <superm1> but there is going to be a few things missing yet
[03:48] <superm1> also, any config files that end up being shipped by cat > file << eof need to be made into real files
[03:49] <superm1> which i started to do
[03:49] <Daviey> Where can i find ubuntu-meta?
[03:49] <Daviey> It isn't in the repo?
[03:49] <superm1> apt-get source ubuntu-meta
[03:49] <superm1> Get:2 http://mirror.cs.umn.edu gutsy/main ubuntu-meta 1.48 (tar) [22.7kB] 
[03:50] <Daviey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/source/ubuntu-meta
[03:50] <Daviey> i was looking for binary packages, doh
[03:53] <Daviey> Hmm.. has the structure changed significantly?
[03:53] <Daviey> http://pastebin.ca/raw/590284
[03:54] <superm1> well mythbuntu seeds don't need all that
[03:54] <superm1> we don't have a desktop, minimal, mobile, or standard target
[03:55] <superm1> just live and standalone
[03:55] <Daviey> so i can just rm them?
[03:55] <superm1> should be able to
[04:10] <Daviey> superm1: is the file 'supported' used?
[04:10] <superm1> Daviey, i'm not sure - i think so
[04:11] <superm1> for the might be easier to leave it out though and only add if it ends up necessary
[04:12] <Daviey> okay, i'm trying to use a diff and merge tool; but they seem radically different
[04:20] <superm1> well the big investments are in debian/ configuration/ and bin/
[04:21] <superm1> perhaps kubuntu-meta might make a better seed base - you can look at that as an option too
[04:22] <Daviey> okay
[04:23] <Daviey> Gutsy seems to have a structure of a new seed file for each arch'
[04:23] <Daviey> where as feisty's default had it bundled in one?
[04:24] <superm1> are you looking at the seeds on the website under that home directory for ubuntu-archive?
[04:24] <superm1> or in the ubuntu-meta directory
[04:24] <superm1> because the arch dependent ones are generated
[04:24] <superm1> by the germination command
[04:25] <Daviey> ah
[04:26] <Daviey> I'm comparing mythbuntu-meta/seeds/ubuntu-meta-1.49 to .../feisty
[04:26] <superm1> ah same thing i ran into when i first started
[04:26] <superm1> look at ubuntu-meta-1.49/update.cfg
[04:26] <superm1> there is a link in there
[04:26] <superm1> to where the base seeds are obtained
[04:26] <Daviey> i saw that, but rm'ed it :)
[04:27] <Daviey> ahhh.. am i comparing seeds ti output_seeds?
[04:30] <superm1> output_seeds?
[04:30] <superm1> um dont know
[04:42] <rogue780> superm1, can you do me a favor?
[04:42] <superm1> whats that rogue780 ?
[04:44] <rogue780> can you go to http://68.55.176.33 and see if you can access my mythweb? I'm trying out .htaccess seeing if I can get it to work
[04:45] <superm1> works as expected
[04:45] <superm1> can't get to it
[04:45] <superm1> and good you have a pw on phpmyadmin too
[04:46] <rogue780> sweet. thanks
[04:46] <rogue780> I'm going to image my drive now. bbl
[05:19] <superm1_> keescook, later on today would you have some time to revu another mythbuntu related theming package?
[05:20] <keescook> superm1_: I think so -- what's the URL?
[05:20] <superm1_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5752
[05:57] <rogue780> superm1_, I just reloaded my system...any idea why my frontend can't connect to the database? everything is correct as far as username, ip address, and password is concerned
[06:00] <rogue780> nevermind
[06:02] <keescook> superm1_: commented and +1'd
[06:19] <superm1> Daviey, making sense of the seeds?
[09:58] <rxbanit> ChanServ: i am having trouble with mythweb, anyone able to help?
[09:59] <rxbanit> i am having trouble with mythweb, anyone able to help?
[10:04] <laga> try #mythtv-users and ask a *real* question
[10:04] <laga> there are more people in that channel
[10:05] <laga> i've got to go now, good luck :)
[10:51] <superm1> bdmurray, are you the one who responded to me on mythtv-users?
[10:51] <superm1> (the mailing list)
[10:51] <superm1> me being my mailing list address mario.mailing
[10:53] <bdmurray> superm1: not that I know of
[10:54] <superm1> bdmurray, ah you had the same domain (outflux.net) and the other guy was a brian murray too.  so wasn't sure :)
[10:55] <bdmurray> hunh?  I know who owns outflux.net and there is only 1 brian murray. :)
[10:58] <superm1> coulda sworn it was an outflux.net address
[10:58] <superm1> let me double check the archive
[10:58] <superm1> i could just be crazy :)
[10:59] <superm1> and apparently i am.  it was interlinx.bc.ca
[10:59] <superm1> don't know how i mixed those two up
[10:59] <superm1> and his last name was Murrell
[10:59] <superm1> wow.  oops :)
[10:59] <bdmurray> they both have 'X's
[12:02] <DaveMorris> whats the command to add something to the default start again?
[12:03] <DaveMorris> found it
[12:06] <superm1> DaveMorris, next mythtv package and the first mythbuntu meta will represent the change you wanted
[12:06] <superm1> to disable auto login
[12:06] <superm1> easily
[12:07] <superm1> each of them will ship a gdm.conf, with ubuntu-mythtv-frontend having a higher priority one
[12:07] <superm1> so once ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is removed, the auto login goes away
[12:07] <superm1> if mythbuntu-standalone is removed, the mythbuntu gdm theme goes away too
[12:09] <superm1> so mythbuntu control centre can simply add or remove the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package to turn on and off auto login functionality then
[12:09] <DaveMorris> superm1 please telling me the auto log out is in the ubuntu frontend packages!
[12:10] <superm1> the autologout - that's still gotta be figured out :)
[12:10] <DaveMorris> is not even
[12:10] <DaveMorris> auto login I didn't have a problem with :P
[12:10] <superm1> ohhh....
[12:10] <superm1> haha
[12:10] <superm1> well then i solved the problem you were gonna have
[12:10] <superm1> yes thats it
[12:11] <DaveMorris> can we at least make the auto logout mythbuntu only
[12:11] <superm1> well I know how to solve the autologout problem though
[12:11] <superm1> the same way mythwelcome is approached
[12:11] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[12:11] <superm1> there is a /etc/default/mythtv-session or something like that (don't have it in front of me)
[12:11] <superm1> with env variables
[12:11] <superm1> like MYTHWELCOME=yes
[12:12] <superm1> AUTOLOGOUT can be another one added
[12:12] <superm1> and such things can just be modified there then
[12:12] <superm1> i'll add that later on
[12:13] <superm1> but still this doesn't approach how there are a lot of things control centre would need to change that need root priv.
[12:14] <superm1> putting 'mythtv' in the wheel group isn't exactly a 'solution' either
[12:14] <DaveMorris> can you not have restricted admin rights
[12:14] <DaveMorris> actually
[12:14] <superm1> well its root or nothing
[12:14] <superm1> i thought
[12:14] <DaveMorris> just allow the mythtv user write access to those files
[12:14] <superm1> well it depends on what stuff was going to be in the control centre
[12:14] <superm1> i was thinking like a button for restricted manager
[12:15] <superm1> (which needs root)
[12:15] <superm1> or nvidia-settings
[12:15] <superm1> or aticonfig
[12:15] <superm1> *amdcccle
[12:15] <superm1> which all need root too
[12:17] <superm1> the only solution i can see is having it auto login to the regular user's account
[12:18] <superm1> and then using gksudo as necessary
[12:19] <superm1> it really is a creative problem
[12:19] <DaveMorris> how about
[12:19] <DaveMorris> ssh -X dave@localhost 'sudo nvidia-config'
[12:20] <superm1> well that assumes X forwarding is enabled
[12:20] <DaveMorris> whichit is by default
[12:20] <superm1> and that you know the user account name
[12:20] <superm1> and that ssh is installed
[12:20] <DaveMorris> we do know the name, we install it!
[12:20] <superm1> dont you need to open port 6000 for that to work still though?
[12:20] <superm1> for X11 to forward
[12:21] <DaveMorris> nope, it forwards back over the ssh connection
[12:21] <DaveMorris> although you'll prob wanna setup password less login's and its not the nicest way
[12:22] <superm1> well if you generate a user specific ssh key
[12:23] <superm1> but at that point, is it better just to do this all as the user
[12:23] <superm1> than bother with ssh'ing to localhost
[12:23] <superm1> and making assumptions