[03:45] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:53] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[03:53] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[04:05] <sbalneav> Whoa, that was freaky
[04:05] <sbalneav> ctrlaltf1 to a text screen, ctlaltf7 back, and it boots me out
[04:51] <a5benwillis> ello?
[04:52] <bonbonthejon> hi
[04:53] <a5benwillis> Im at an Education Tech Conference and have heard a lot of talk about edubuntu today. Of course Ive been using it a wile. I just thought I would share :-)
[04:53] <a5benwillis> .
[04:53] <sbalneav> Good things, I hope? :)
[04:54] <a5benwillis> I also had dinner with a GM from DELL computers. We had a loong conversation about edubuntu.
[04:54] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: Mostly good
[04:54] <sbalneav> What were the bad things?
[04:54] <a5benwillis> the presenter said he didnt recomend it for a beginner because it lacked some things but should be ready with the next release?
[04:55] <sbalneav> What things did he say it lacked?
[04:55] <a5benwillis> Sound support for different hardware
[04:55] <a5benwillis> issues with the ssl login
[04:55] <a5benwillis> cant remember the others if any
[04:55] <a5benwillis> The dinner with Dell was very interesting.
[04:55] <sbalneav> Which issues with the login?  I'm interested in those particularly, as I'm re-writing it now.
[04:56] <a5benwillis> He tells me that Dell's trying to work out a deal to provide the hardware and ubuntu with a support contract to k-12
[04:57] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: Even I've have huge issues with being able to authenticate against some other account databases. Novell in particular
[04:57] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: I hear that theres some new code that changes the way that the login is encrypted allowing it to be more flexible??
[04:58] <sbalneav> Well, we still use ssh for the login portion, and plumbing the localdev/sound setup
[04:58] <sbalneav> but we'll have the option of either running X over ssh, or unencrypted
[04:59] <sbalneav> so that slower workstations can avoid encrypted X
[04:59] <a5benwillis> I also had a lengthy conversation with the tech director of a medium sized school district in Washington state. He uses Edubuntu exclusively but he cant get the logins to work against his Netware servers..
[05:00] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: OHHH! That reminds me af what the speaker said to a room of about 250 people.
[05:00] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: Edubuntu can take up to 5 minutes to boot a client!!!
[05:00] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: So he didnt think it was good for a beginner because they may think theyve done something wrong.
[05:00] <sbalneav> We've fixed a lot of that.
[05:01] <sbalneav> Down to about 70 seconds on this 500mhz via client I'm running.
[05:01] <a5benwillis> great! I dont know if you recognize my name or not. But, I spent a lot of time here a few months ago working on edubuntu/netware authentication......
[05:02] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: I really need to get back to my pilot project. It kind of stalled after all of that authentication work.
[05:02] <sbalneav> Right.  wonky netware pam stuff, if I remember correctly.
[05:02] <a5benwillis> correct "=)
[05:03] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: I hear that Novell has released some new code to help with linux-netware authentication as well. This may help as well.
[05:04] <sbalneav> I've seen nothing, but then again, a lot of us are basically ignoring novell now.
[05:05] <a5benwillis> k-12 in the US still uses its fair share... It would be nice if it had more support in Edubuntu.
[05:06] <a5benwillis> I plan to start a group in my state to promote the use of open source software. I hope to be able to spread the word.
[05:08] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: So when will the new login code be in place or released?
[05:09] <sbalneav> It's already coming into the gutsy tribe releases.  I'm working on the scripted greeter now.
[05:10] <a5benwillis> thanks for the info! I guess I'll be spending more time here again as I try to get our project back online.
[05:14] <sbalneav> NP
[05:50] <sbalneav> AHAHAHAHAHA
[05:50] <sbalneav> HAHAHA
[05:51] <sbalneav> HAHHHHH!
[05:51] <sbalneav> Wheeeee!
[05:51] <sbalneav> So, ldm, chatted with the greeter, got the userid, set the prompts, etc.
[05:51] <sbalneav> and logged in.
[05:51] <sbalneav> Sexy!!!
[05:52] <sbalneav> Scott is soooo happy
[05:54] <sbalneav> heh
[05:54] <sbalneav> all my truly great triumphs happen when there's no one to see :)
[09:10] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[09:10] <RichEd> hey LaserJock :)
[09:11] <RichEd> still need to get to your email ... will try before the meeting today
[09:11] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: do you still sleep?
[09:11] <LaserJock> sleep?? what's that?
[09:11] <jsgotangco> figures
[09:12] <LaserJock> RichEd: is it the early meeting?
[09:12] <RichEd> yes indeed
[09:12] <RichEd> 12:00 utc
[09:13] <LaserJock> ok, well I know I won't be there
[09:13] <LaserJock> so, I just so an interesting forum thread on the Add-on CD
[09:13] <LaserJock> lots of questions
[09:13] <LaserJock> one was, "How do I install language support from the add-on CD"
[09:14] <LaserJock> which I totally didn't think about before
[09:14] <LaserJock> another was how to get all the gcompris languages installed
[09:39] <RichEd> i'll mention the language add-on to ogra ... also the gcompris ... see if he has answers or ideas
[09:40] <jsgotangco> RichEd: any roadmap to edubuntu community with regards to delegation of edubuntu membership, us in the CC could not keep up with the number of people
[09:41] <RichEd> jsgotangco: i'm also a bit swamped as well ... we can bring it up in the meeting today in the community section ?
[09:42] <RichEd> my mailbox is going insane lately, with work and spam - i hardly get enough time to go though it all :(
[09:42] <jsgotangco> sure i'll try to attend, i haven't been sleeping properly the past 2 days though, was thinking of retiring early today
[09:47] <RichEd> jsgotangco: get some rest ... i know the feeling ... restless nights & interrupted sleep accumulates and interferes with immune system and concentration.
[09:47] <RichEd> so i'll bring the topic up today and let you know
[09:48] <jsgotangco> ok its not really something high priority, we just have to let people know that edubuntu = ubuntu in terms of membership and probably revive the delegation powers of teams
[09:55] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: when did it ever go away?
[09:56] <jsgotangco> it didn't
[09:56] <jsgotangco> just lost steam on some parts i guess
[09:56] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:57] <LaserJock> tbh, I just thought we weren't just weren't attracting new members
[09:57] <LaserJock> - 1st weren't
[09:57] <jsgotangco> everytime after a CC we always get a complaint or two about the sched and not being accommodated of sorts
[09:58] <LaserJock> CC or EC?
[09:58] <jsgotangco> CC
[09:58] <LaserJock> makes sense, there are probably a lot of applications
[09:59] <LaserJock> apparently some people aren't on IRC at all TZs ;-)
[09:59] <jsgotangco> more meetings won't solve it, delegation should especially contribution-specific applications
[10:03] <LaserJock> RichEd: the forum thread is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=484973 and I've replied the best I can
[10:03] <LaserJock> I'm off for the night
[10:03] <LaserJock> bbl ;-)
[10:04] <RichEd> night laser ... i'll look at the thread
[10:22] <biotrox> please don't kick me
[10:22] <biotrox> hiks
[10:22] <biotrox> bubbye
[10:22] <biotrox> !languange
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languange - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <Hobbsee> !ops
[10:22] <ubotu> Help! ogra, highvoltage, mhz, JaneW, Burgundavia or Seveas
[10:22] <Hobbsee> bah.
[10:22] <Hobbsee> he went quietly
[10:23] <highvoltage> Hobbsee: sorry, just got here
[10:24] <Hobbsee> highvoltage: kill [18:22]  [Whois]  biotrox is n=marcos@202.182.48.202 (gaim)
[10:24] <Hobbsee> he's trolling all ubuntu channels
[10:41] <RichEd> hi Hobbsee
[10:41] <RichEd> and hi highvoltage
[10:41] <Hobbsee> hiya RichEd
[10:41] <Hobbsee> highvoltage: hrm.  seems to ahve gone away
[10:41] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, another villiage is missing it's idiot.
[10:56] <Hobbsee> RichEd: how's it goign?
[10:56] <highvoltage> heya RichEd
[10:57] <RichEd> Hobbsee: swamped with work ... trying to keep my nostrils above water level ... but okay otherwise
[10:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:57] <RichEd> and down under ?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> RichEd: sounds normal
[10:58] <Hobbsee> RichEd: finished exams for the semester, have a long TODO list of DOOM!!!, with a lot of kubuntu stuff on it, work, release stuff, assignments.  it's all good :)
[10:58] <Hobbsee> RichEd: keeps me busy, you know the drill.
[10:58] <jsgotangco> we don't have the luxury of youth anymore
[10:58] <Hobbsee> speaking to mark hopefully, at some point
[10:58] <RichEd> Can't remember if you are a Wallaby or an All Black ... but I hear that the Auz press are slagging off the Spriingboks at the moment.
[10:58] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco:
[10:58] <Hobbsee> RichEd: aussie here
[10:59] <RichEd> Rugby between SA NZ and Auz is not just sport ... it's better than most of the other religions ;)
[10:59] <Hobbsee> hah
[01:29] <highvoltage> 0/win 11
[01:54] <pips1> hi
[01:55] <pips1> meeting in 5?
[01:57] <RichEd> yes ...
[01:57] <RichEd> [01:57] <pips1> i'm currently busy at work... so I'll only be able to listen with half an ear...
[01:58] <RichEd> that's fine pips1 ... and hi ...
[02:00] <RichEd> pips1: van gogh ...
[02:00] <RichEd> you mean
[02:00] <pips1> ups
[02:00] <pips1> yep, one of those painters, anyway. duh.
[02:42] <sbalneav> Morning all
[02:45] <highvoltage> hi sbalneav
[02:45] <RichEd> hey scotty
[02:46] <sbalneav> Morning RichEd, highvoltage
[03:14] <Alexandre> Hello guys , i'm soing the donwload now, how i configure my network?!?!?
[03:16] <sbalneav> Alexandre: depends on how your network's configured now. :)
[03:17] <Alexandre> i'm using lts, and wanna go to feisty sbalneav
[03:17] <Alexandre> but ltsp 5.0 is diferent of 4.1
[03:18] <sbalneav> Yep, it is.
[03:18] <sbalneav> brb
[03:18] <sbalneav> back
[03:23] <Alexandre> sbalneav: did you use 5.0 or 4.1/4.2?!?!?!
[03:25] <sbalneav> I used to use 4.2, now I use 5.0
[03:28] <Alexandre> You'll be here all day?!?!?1
[03:28] <Alexandre> After donwload i'll install and try configure
[03:28] <Alexandre> sbalneav: did you can help me?
[03:29] <sbalneav> I'll be here most of the day.
[03:43] <edistar_> has anyone got any experience with edubuntu + ldap authentication?
[03:46] <sbalneav> I'm running ldap auth here at work.
[03:47] <edistar> with edubuntu?
[03:47] <edistar> do you have a good howto so that I can learn how to configure it etc?
[03:50] <sbalneav> There's a ton of stuff available on the internet
[03:50] <sbalneav> As well, go to wiki.edubuntu.org, and search for ldap
[03:52] <edistar> good idea, thanks
[03:53] <sbalneav> ogra: so, I was having no end of trouble with the greeter.
[03:54] <sbalneav> It was responding to commands from ldm, but wasn't sending the information back.
[03:54] <ogra> hrm
[03:54] <ogra> back to where ?
[03:54] <sbalneav> to ldm
[03:54] <sbalneav> turns out, since I'm using printf
[03:54] <sbalneav> I had to do a setbuf(stdio, NULL)
[03:57] <ogra> ah :)
[03:59] <ogra> cant you just write to stdout directly ?
[04:01] <ogra> withough printf involved
[04:01] <ogra> *without
[04:02] <ogra>    /me goes for a break while waiting for new isos
[04:15] <Baby> hi
[04:17] <Baby> I plan to develop a classification of the games (and maybe some other stuff) in Debian ( http://www.miriamruiz.es/weblog/?p=69 ) about whether they are appropriate for children or not. Do you think edubuntu might be interested in participating?
[04:18] <ogra> Baby, absolutely ... would you send a mail to edubuntu-users ?
[04:18] <Baby> of course, what's the address? :)
[04:19] <Baby> edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com ?
[04:19] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users yep :)
[04:19] <RichEd-1> ogra: you beat me to it :)
[04:19] <ogra> heh
[04:20] <ogra> well, i'm bored waiting for the next isos to test :)
[04:20] <Baby> thanks!!! I'll write a mail there :)
[04:20] <ogra> thanks :)
[04:20] <ogra> ... also for doing that review :)
[05:24] <edistar> if I want to log on the users of edubuntu with ldap, do I need to install the client in a chroot or can I just install it on the server normally?
[05:40] <edistar> if I want to log on the users of edubuntu with ldap, do I need to install the client in a chroot or can I just install it on the server normally?
[06:06] <ogra> edistar, likely only on the server, but you need to make sure ssh uses it ... (ltsp logins are done through ssh)
[06:07] <edistar> wtf... ssh aswell? crickey, how do I do that..
[06:07] <ogra> only ssh (for ltsp at least) :)
[06:08] <ogra> there are config files for ssh in pam ... you ned to make the right adjustments so the ldap server is used instead of local logins
[06:08] <edistar> puh...
[06:09] <edistar> I adjusted pam already..
[06:09] <edistar> but not with ssh, does pam notice the encryption at all?
[06:11] <happywithed> ls -l
[06:11] <happywithed> hello
[06:11] <happywithed> Hi ogra, sbalneav
[06:12] <ogra> edistar, ssh doesnt care whats in the backend and pam doesnt need to know about encryption :)
[06:14] <edistar> brilliant
[06:14] <edistar> ;)
[06:15] <edistar> wish me luck, I need to have it running in 4 weeks..
[06:15] <edistar> ;)
[06:15] <edistar> enough time
[06:15] <ogra> there are many people here and in #ltsp that have doent that before, just wait until one of tem comes around and has soem time
[06:16] <edistar> ok :)
[06:16] <happywithed> I want to migrate my classroom server from an AMD64 box to more power PPC64 box.  I will retire the AMD64 completely as it is making all kinds of noises.  So I do want to tranfer everything from that box to the PPC64.  I already installed the classroom server on the PPC64 and confirmed that my clients can connect.  The next steps are to transfer the Ldif database and the NFS. I have serveral questions on this regard.
[06:16] <ogra> cliebow is a good ldap guy :)
[06:17] <happywithed> Q1) I remember that you have to use the slapcat and slapadd commands to transfer the files from one system to the other.  In what directory do I have to do that in the AMD64 and the PPC64?
[06:18] <happywithed> Q2) How do I tranfer all of the NFS data from the AMD64 to the PCC64? Do I just have to copy the /home directory?  Will that suffice?
[06:19] <happywithed> Q3) Is there anything else I need to do? besides that?
[06:20] <happywithed> Q4) It would be nice if I could do some replication of my PPC64 into another machine so that I don't have to do this in the future if my PPC64 goes bad on me, too.  Are there any scripts for replication of the Edubuntu classroom server available?
[06:22] <happywithed> ogra: thanks, but I think cliebow is not in now.  Any ideas?
[06:22] <ogra> happywithed, that was directed to edistar
[06:22] <happywithed> :-)
[06:23] <ogra> not now, sorry, i'm very busy building edubuntu tribe2 CDs
[06:23] <happywithed> no problem
[06:27] <happywithed> anyone else willing to help?
[06:30] <happywithed> I'll try the ubuntu irc, then
[06:59] <LaserJock> morning Edubuntu people
[07:16] <LaserJock> ogra: how are the CDs coming?
[07:17] <ogra> i just had a hang with the desktop CD
[07:18] <ogra> server suffers from bug #121547 and another one i didnt file yet, but is fine otherwise
[07:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121547 in ltsp "[Gutsy]  LTSP chroot building process hangs at 50% on Tribe1 CD" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121547
[07:21] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:21] <LaserJock> well, I still can't get the Desktop CD to boot on my mac VMware but I'm suspecting it's just my machine
[07:22] <LaserJock> I tried it at home on Ubuntu VMware and it worked
[07:26] <SimonAnibal> LaserJock, we've had some issues with interoperability between VMware Fusion and VMware Server/Workstation
[07:27] <LaserJock> yeah?
[07:28] <SimonAnibal> Nodnod, we had a consultant build us a Samba/LDAP server to replace our NT 4.0 Domain Controller. He set it up on VMware Fusion on his MacBook, but that image didn't work on our VMware Server
[07:28] <SimonAnibal> I don't recall whether he was able to figure out how to make it work somehow, or whether he just recreated his work completely on the VMware server.
[07:53] <LaserJock> ogra: when you get back from dinner, I have a question about the About Edubuntu stuff
[07:55] <ogra> LaserJock, seb and i agreed to talk about a patch to have both items but different icons
[07:55] <ogra> after tribe release
[08:22] <LaserJock> ogra: well, don't we install an edubuntu icon for the menu?
[08:22] <ogra> right
[08:23] <ogra> but thats used in any place where a distributor icon is used
[08:23] <ogra> so both items in the menu have the same icon
[08:23] <ogra> i want the ubuntu icon for the ubuntu item
[08:24] <ogra> its a compromise replacing it would be a lot harder
[08:25] <LaserJock> well
[08:25] <LaserJock> we could install an edubuntu.png and have About Edubuntu use that
[08:49] <Alexandre> sbalneav: i'm back, now on edubuntu did you can help me to configure my network?!?!?!
[08:51] <Alexandre> sbalneav: my network has 1 server and 8 thins
[08:59] <sbalneav> Alexandre: Is the autoconfiguration working?
[09:21] <Alexandre> aloha
[09:21] <Alexandre> I want configure my Edubuntu feisty, some one can help me?!?!?!?
[09:23] <LaserJock> Alexandre: that's a very vague question
[09:24] <Alexandre> I install the edubuntu now, and want configure
[09:24] <Alexandre> LaserJock: i have 1 server (with 2 conections) and 8 thins
[09:26] <Alexandre> LaserJock: I use dapper, but wanna change to feisty, but ltsp is different
[09:26] <sbalneav> Alexandre: Have you read the Edubuntu handbook?
[09:26] <Alexandre> LaserJock: so i wanna try install for edubuntu
[09:26] <sbalneav> It
[09:26] <Alexandre> I1m reading
[09:30] <Alexandre> My / opt is empty
[09:30] <Alexandre> without nothign
[09:31] <sbalneav> sudo ltsp-build-client
[09:33] <ogra> Alexandre: but you installed from the server CD ?
[09:34] <Alexandre> No
[09:34] <Alexandre> Desktop iso
[09:34] <ogra> well, for a server you should use the server distro ;)
[09:40] <Alexandre> So i need to do this steps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall?!!?
[09:40] <Alexandre> Ok Houston we have problems!!!!!!
[09:41] <LaserJock> woah, you don't need so many !'s and ?'s :-)
[09:41] <Alexandre> LaserJock: ok , so what can i do?
[09:41] <LaserJock> well, you could use the Edubuntu Classroom Server CD
[09:42] <LaserJock> to install Edubuntu as an LTSP server
[09:42] <LaserJock> or I think you can use that wiki page you mentioned
[09:42] <Alexandre> LaserJock: k
[09:43] <Alexandre> ok
[09:45] <cliebow> anyone wanna run apt-cache search java sun in feisty..see if java shows?
[09:46] <LaserJock> cliebow: works for me
[09:47] <cliebow> wonder what i messed up this time..
[09:49] <LaserJock> cliebow: do you have Multiverse enabled?
[09:50] <cliebow> just checking
[09:51] <cliebow> there...do now for sure..all set..
[09:52] <cliebow> LaserJock, Thanks..
[09:54] <cliebow> kernel updates seem to assume one's install is in hd 0,0 this seem logical?
[09:55] <LaserJock> what do you mean?
[09:55] <cliebow> it causes a stir if your install id 0,2
[09:55] <ogra> kernel updtaes use whats in your grub config
[09:56] <cliebow> hmmm..i couldnt even use memtest affter kernel update without specifying correct partiton..
[09:56] <cliebow> weird.
[09:57] <cliebow> weird it now shows hard drive as sda as well
[09:59] <ogra> did you fiddle with menu.lst ?
[09:59] <ogra> do you have other grub based OSes ?
[09:59] <cliebow> to getit to boot..yup
[09:59] <cliebow> just winders
[10:01] <ogra> well, what did you change in menu.lst ? :)
[10:01] <ogra> revert that and it should work ;)
[10:01] <cliebow> just changed 0,0 to 0,2..but i did rip out emtried for about ten old kernels
[10:02] <ogra> where exactly did you change 0,0 to 0.2 ?
[10:02] <ogra> there is only one line where you should do that
[10:02] <LaserJock> cliebow: you aren't supposed to change the "Automagic" parts :-)
[10:03] <cliebow> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.20-16-generic
[10:03] <cliebow> root            (hd0,2)
[10:03] <cliebow> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic root=UUID=1c0e718b-a1a9-4d61-bbd6-2b854487936c ro quiet splash
[10:03] <cliebow> no worries..i got everything working..
[10:03] <cliebow> what is preferred way of removing entries for old kernel entries?
[10:04] <ogra> delete them :)
[10:04] <LaserJock> remove the kernel that they belong to
[10:04] <ogra> well, what LaserJock said is more proper :)
[10:04] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:04] <cliebow> ok..i had still dapper kernels in there
[10:05] <cliebow> and edgy
[10:07] <cliebow> like 15 of them 8~)
[10:07] <LaserJock> heh
[10:30] <sperotek> hey, i just installed edubuntu 7.04 to fix the local devices (flash drives) problems I was having on thin clients yesterday. However, the flash drives still don't show up, so I looked at the lts.conf file, and it says localdev=true. Any help?
[10:32] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
[10:32] <ogra> did you check that ?
[10:35] <sperotek> i thought my admin account would already let me do everything, like allow use of fuse filesystems
[10:35] <sperotek> what is a fuse filesystem?
[10:36] <ogra> fuse is the abbreviation of "filesystem in userspace" its the underlying architecture of ltspfs which is teh network filesystem ltsp uses for local device access
[10:42] <sperotek> wow perfect, thanks, well written guide :)
[10:44] <ogra> thanks :)