[01:01] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: ?
[02:38] <Riddell> Arby: please try the new live CD, it's working fine for me
[05:33] <nixternal> it sure is quiet in here
[05:34] <Hobbsee> it is.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> everyone must be fixing bugs, or asleep
[05:34] <nixternal> aren't we getting close to another tribe release?
[05:34] <nixternal> which means I need to get to work on that page...tomorrow I will do it up, or today depending on where you are ;p
[05:36] <ScottK> Hobbsee: It looks like it may be possible to hard code kmail to use gnupg-agent with gpgsm for S/MIME without having to make a global gpg config change by patching the kdepim Make file.  If that works, do you think that kind of a solution might be acceptable?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> yeah.  main's a lready frozen
[05:36] <Hobbsee> ScottK: as long as it's done in a patch, and it's checked every time that kde releases that it doesnt break anything, it sounds OK.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> ScottK: please commit to bzr, etc.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> i catn remember if i've put the debian/ into bzr yet
[05:37] <Hobbsee> of kdepim
[05:38] <ScottK> Right.  I'm still trying to figure it out, but my initial look says, "that might work" so I thought I'd check before I expended a huge amount of effort (it takes me a long time to do test builds of kdepim on the machine I have available for it).
[05:38] <ScottK> Thanks
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ScottK: are you a MOTU, or did you apply for motu?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> oh wait, brandon's machine seems dead.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought
[05:39] <Hobbsee> was going to suggest that you build @ ubuntuwire - but then i rememebered teh machine being dead
[05:39] <ScottK> That would limit it's usefullness I suppose ;-)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hhe, yes
[05:42] <nixternal> ScottK: would it help you if I opened up my amd64 box for you to work on?
[05:42] <ScottK> nixternal: No.
[05:42] <nixternal> k, thought I would ask
[05:42] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> ScottK: what you *want* to do is find someone with a local mirror too.
[05:43] <ScottK> If it built, I'd have an amd64 binary and no where to run it to test.
[05:43] <ScottK> Yeah.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> amd64's can build i386 too, if you set up a chroot
[05:43] <ScottK> Ahh.
[05:44] <nixternal> if it builds on x86 it usually builds on amd64
[05:44] <nixternal> you can also have a x86 pbuilder can't you? I haven't tried it out much except for the kde 4 alpha packages
[05:48] <ScottK> I've got servers with horsepower to spare, just need to get around to setting up to build stuff there...
[05:58] <Hobbsee> right.  anothe rpatch in kdemultimedia
[05:59] <Hobbsee> and less bugs in kdemultimedia :)
[06:07] <Hobbsee> pygi: you should check kdemultimedia bugs when you have time, too.  more burning ones
[06:07] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca!
[06:11] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee
[06:12] <ryanakca> night :)
[06:15] <Hobbsee> night!
[06:16] <Hobbsee> okay, having things in bzr seriously rocks.
[06:28] <Hobbsee> right.  less bugs in kdemultimedia
[06:44] <ScottK> Hey, that only took 45 minutes.  Normally it takes longer...
[06:45] <Hobbsee> hooray - down to the last line of stuff to import to bzr
[06:45] <Hobbsee> ScottK: btw - make sure you make any changes into the bzr branchof the debian dir, for kmail suppor
[06:45] <Hobbsee> t
[06:46] <Hobbsee> ScottK: which will save you finding an uploader each time you want to change something
[06:46] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I've never usef bzr before.  Is there a handy cheat sheet?
[06:46] <ScottK> usef/used
[06:46] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yep!  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr
[06:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: we need a get-orig-source line in there, but ihavent looked at doing it.  or a watch file.  i'm leaving that for someone else.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> there must be an upcomming kubuntu meeting too :)
[06:56] <ScottK> Hobbsee: If I check out a kdepim branch, can I keep it up to date with the official version (e.g. svn up)?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ScottK: that kdepim branch only has the debian/ dir
[06:58] <ScottK> Right.  Generically, if I check out my own branch, can I keep it synced with the main one?
[06:58] <ScottK> Or once I check it out have I split it off?
[06:59] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Where do I check out your kdepim debian/dir from?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> ScottK: see https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/
[07:00] <Hobbsee> ScottK: of course.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> ScottK: no, you just run bzr update, and it updates your branch
[07:00] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> of course, you can have a separate branch, and merge whenever you like - or just commit to the main branch
[07:01] <ScottK> Enough like svn that it makes sense.  Enough different I'll be screwing it up for weeks.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> ScottK: when you go there, it's listed by project, and it has a url for what you checkout with
[07:08] <ScottK> OK.  It's very late here, so that's enough learning for one night.
[07:08] <ScottK> Thanks Hobbsee and good night.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> night ScottK
[08:18] <pygi> Hobbsee, hm, really?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> pygi: yeah.  kaudiocreator
[08:18] <Hobbsee> pygi: no one cares about it, really.  i did the last upload for it
[08:19] <Hobbsee> pygi: please note that the debian dir for it is in bzr
[08:19] <pygi> Hobbsee, right
[08:20] <pygi> Hobbsee, what's  the LP source package url for thata?
[08:20] <pygi> that*
[08:20] <pygi> sorry, just woke up
[08:20] <Hobbsee> code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/
[08:20] <Hobbsee> and  pick the appropriate source package
[08:21] <pygi> Hobbsee, how would I see bugs reported against it then?
[08:22] <Hobbsee> pygi: of kdemultimedia?  the usual way, with /ubuntu/
[08:22] <Hobbsee> in the URL
[08:22] <Hobbsee> as in, bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdemultimedia iirc
[08:22] <pygi> that wont work :P
[08:22] <pygi> lemme try
[08:22] <pygi> hm works now
[08:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:23] <pygi> ok, I'll look at it tomorrow after exam
[08:23] <Hobbsee> cool
[08:23] <Hobbsee> good luck with the exam
[08:23] <pygi> I don't see any burning stuff tho?
[08:23] <pygi> thanks ^^
[08:25] <Hobbsee> it's more cd stuff
[08:26] <pygi> aha, ok :)
[08:26] <pygi> and I guess I
[08:26] <pygi> 'I'm supposed to be local expert on that? :P
[08:27] <pygi> Hobbsee, just joking ya, sorry :) morning and stuff :P
[08:29] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:29] <pygi> Hobbsee, you don't mind, right? :)
[08:29] <pygi> not angry or stuff? :)
[08:32] <Hobbsee> nah, of course not
[08:32] <Hobbsee> just doing other stuf
[08:33] <pygi> Hobbsee, great ;)
[08:57] <Tm_T> joy of calendar syncing: http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/syncflow.png
[09:52] <Hobbsee> anyone up for testing a kubuntu alternate cd?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> or a desktop cd, if on amd64?
[09:55] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato
[09:58] <Jucato> oh hi!
[09:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:58] <Jucato> 64-bit? can't do... don't have one
[09:58] <Hobbsee> darn
[09:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:59] <Hobbsee> i dont either
[09:59] <Jucato> :)
[10:14] <mhb> morning
[10:15] <Hobbsee> hiya
[10:19] <pygi> o no, mhb is back :)
[10:35] <mhb> pygi: is that bad? :o)
[10:35] <pygi> mhb, just joking ya ;)
[10:36] <mhb> Jucato: interesting discussion on #kde earlier
[10:40] <mhb> Jucato: I'm not quite happy about the fact you seem to be content with
[10:49] <pygi> mhb, what happened? :)
[10:56] <Jucato> mhb: what discussion?
[11:13] <mhb> pygi: well, close to the usual "kubuntu vs. ubuntu"
[11:13] <pygi> mhb, just saw it
[11:13] <pygi> I hate such discussions
[11:17] <Arby> Riddell: tested the new liveCD, couple of minor issues but nothing to worry about
[11:24] <Jucato> mhb: I left the discussion because I left the computer. /me went out :)
[11:24] <Jucato> so I had no idea where the discussion went...
[11:26] <mhb> Jucato: the interesting thing (for me) was your content with the current situation
[11:27] <Jucato> which was?
[11:27] <Jucato> sorry my memory's failing me today...
[11:45] <mhb> Jucato: use the logs, then :o)
[11:54] <mhb> why don't we have FLAC support in kubuntu by default?
[12:14] <Riddell> Arby: i386?
[12:14] <Arby> Riddell: yep
[12:15] <Riddell> we need an amd64 tester now
[12:16] <Riddell> Arby: did you see any mount dialogue appear during the install?
[12:16] <Arby> no nothing like that
[12:16] <Arby> oh wait, hang on
[12:17] <Arby> this was testing the live session, haven't had time to do a full install
[12:17] <Arby> stuck at work, test machine at home
[12:18] <Riddell> Arby: bug 122504, why would you expect it to be set to UK?
[12:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122504 in casper "Kubuntu 20070627 UK keyboad is set to US keymap on liveCD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122504
[12:18] <Arby> because it's a UK keyboard and it's been properly detected before?
[12:18] <Arby> either that or I've never used the right keys in live session to notice
[12:19] <Riddell> you can't detect keyboard layout
[12:19] <Arby> oh
[12:19] <Arby> must be my bad then
[12:19] <Arby> I'd never noticed that before
[12:19] <Riddell> you can set the language at the live CD boot screen
[12:19] <Riddell> or "detect" on the alternate CD with the weird press lots of buttons method
[12:20] <Arby> I didn't but would selecting english default to a US keyboard then?
[12:20] <Arby> like it does in the installer
[12:21] <Arby> feel free to reject it if it's my screw up
[12:21] <Arby> just wasn't aware of that behaviour
[12:21] <Riddell> english will, british english shouldn't
[12:22] <Arby> what does the liveCD default to, I didn't change anything?
[12:22] <Arby> oh right nevermind
[12:22] <Arby> didn't read your reply properly
[12:23] <Arby> Riddell: should I reject it then, sounds like that's my fault
[12:24] <Arby> cool :)
[12:24] <Arby> I'll try to do a proper install later but today is not good
[12:24] <Arby> E_NOTIME
[12:37] <Tonio_> hey
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[12:40] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[12:40] <Tonio_> hi ;)
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: just to let you know I'll update the kdebase package toonight with a few fixes
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also noticed a few issues and missing features in the kdepim package
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix them and take contact with the debian packaging team
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: we don't have any opensync support in kmail, no syncml, which is really annoying
[12:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I'll be on my contrib day on friday and and now have internet at home, so I'll be available in the evening :)
[12:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: we're in freeze just now, commit to the bzr archives instead
[12:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you fix the kdm i18n issue?
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: did we do the transition for source packages in bzr ?
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: where to commit ?
[12:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: see code ...~kubuntu-members
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay :)
[01:06] <Riddell> nixternal: ping, how's the tribe 2 page?
[01:57] <ryanakca> nixternal: think we'll be able to docbookify that howto?
[02:02] <Riddell> mhb: know of any testers able to do amd64?
[02:04] <manchicken_> Riddell: Did you see the kubuntu-users posting about "Where is Kcontrol?"
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i had one testing amd64 desktop, but havent seen the results on the tracker, and havent had an email saying that he'd done it.
[02:07] <manchicken> Riddell: And who do I talk to about this apt problem?
[02:07] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm kinda tired of being roadblocked with what little time I do have to hack.
[02:08] <manchicken> Tonio_: Did you get my katapult patch?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh, he's going to download it overnight, and test then
[02:11] <Riddell> ok
[02:19] <Tonio_> manchicken: not yet, I jsut recovered my home connections 2 days ago
[02:19] <manchicken> Tonio_: Congrats :)
[02:19] <Tonio_> manchicken: ping me tomorrow evening, I'll be at home and available to commit
[02:19] <manchicken> Tonio_: Righto.
[02:19] <manchicken> It's 0712 here, silly timezones :)
[02:27] <ryanakca> Riddell: I could test it up to install...
[02:29] <Riddell> ryanakca: amd64?
[02:30] <ryanakca> Riddell: yes, AMD Athlon64 3500+ is amd64, right?
[02:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes, that would be great
[02:31] <pygi> ryanakca, Athlon*64* :)
[02:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, poke me whenn you need me to test CDs, and I'll add blank CDs to my shopping list
[02:31] <Riddell> ryanakca: now now!
[02:31] <ryanakca> okies :P
[02:31] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20070626.2/
[02:35] <ryanakca> hmm... no bittorrent. Normal download it is...
[02:54] <manchicken> Riddell: How stable is the image?
[02:54] <manchicken> And are you just looking for someone to test the live CD image?
[02:56] <Riddell> manchicken: yes, amd64 preferably
[02:56] <Riddell> i386 is a work of perfection
[02:57] <manchicken> Is it ready to dist upgrade?
[02:57] <manchicken> I can test the CD image no problem.  Do you have a test plan?
[02:57] <manchicken> err, s/CD image/Live CD/
[02:58] <Riddell> https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Kubuntu#
[02:58] <manchicken> I have an amd64 machine running vista that could use a break from fascistware for a little bit.
[02:58] <Riddell> boot, install, report any bugs you come accross
[02:59] <manchicken> I can't install the ISO on that machine.
[02:59] <manchicken> If you think gutsy is stable enough for a normal working machine though, then I can dist-upgrade.
[03:02] <manchicken> I'll grab the torrent and seed it.
[03:09] <manchicken> Grumble...
[03:10] <manchicken> No seeders.
[03:11] <Riddell> use http
[03:11] <manchicken> Riddell: Is gutsy ready for normal use yet?  I don't mind little instability, but I want to make sure it's sane enough to use.
[03:12] <Riddell> manchicken: it's working well for me
[03:12] <manchicken> Okay, would you think it unwise for me to dist upgrade?
[03:12] <ryanakca> manchicken I can seed for you if you wish
[03:13] <manchicken> ryanakca: I'm downloading the ISO.  I think I can form a seed from that after I'm done downloading, right?
[03:13] <ryanakca> dunno, that's what I was thinking of doing
[03:13] <ryanakca> open the torrent in ktorrent
[03:13] <manchicken> I'll try it.
[03:13] <manchicken> i think all I have to do is move the ISO into the directory after the download.
[03:14] <ryanakca> set it to download, it doesn't download, replace what it thinks the uncomplete iso is with the complete one, it notices it's done, it seeds
[03:14] <manchicken> Riddell: I'll try a dist-upgrade here in a minute.
[03:14] <ScottK> manchicken: I'd suggest that if you are asking the question, then answer is no (about stability) - No guarantees at all that something won't get borked along the way.
[03:14] <manchicken> ScottK: I know that.  I just wanted to make sure panics weren't common or anything like that.
[03:14] <ScottK> OK.
[03:15] <Riddell> manchicken: we don't care about torrents for dailies, we just need the amd64 CDs tested
[03:15] <manchicken> Besides, it couldn't be much worse than the move to 2.6.20 :)
[03:15] <manchicken> Riddell: Yeah.  I'm snagging it and I'll test it in live CD mode on this windows machine when I've got it.
[03:16] <manchicken> DAMN!  I'm cranking at 1.2MB/s
[03:16] <manchicken> Very nice.
[03:21] <manchicken> Okay, I've got the ISO, I'll burn it and try the live CD out on the vista machine.
[03:23] <manchicken> My last blank CD...
[03:24] <manchicken> Damn.
[03:25] <Riddell> rewritable CDs are a great thing
[03:25] <Riddell> actually I tend to use DVDs
[03:25] <manchicken> These are rewritable...
[03:26] <manchicken> But can they rewrite with full ISOs?  I thought that was just multi-session stuff....
[03:26] <manchicken> Riddell: I'll give dist-upgrade a whirl as soon as I get this ISO burned.
[03:26] <manchicken> I'm hoping the kernel upgrade will do good things.
[03:31] <manchicken> Okay, dist-upgrade time.
[03:36] <manchicken> I'll also see if there's any neat winfoss :)
[03:37] <manchicken> WinFOSS browser hates the scroll wheel.
[03:38] <manchicken> Wow, only three programs.
[03:38] <manchicken> Not even Pidgin...
[03:39] <Riddell> we had to scale it down for lack of space
[03:39] <manchicken> I don't know what's going on, but I'm getting some insane download speeds.
[03:40] <manchicken> Riddell: Yeah, I figured.
[03:40] <manchicken> Riddell: If we had to scale anything down, that's probably the best thing to do so with.
[03:40] <manchicken> I've got the live CD booted.  That's good.
[03:41] <Riddell> phew
[03:41] <manchicken> It started in 800x600 though.
[03:41] <manchicken> I'll see if I can get the video resolution and everything correct.
[03:43] <manchicken> Ack, is there a default user and password on the livecd?
[03:44] <manchicken> ubuntu seems to be the user, but do you know what the password is?
[03:45] <Riddell> err
[03:45] <Riddell> it shouldn't need one
[03:45] <Riddell> does it give you the KDM screen?
[03:47] <manchicken> I logged out trying to get the new X settings to take place.
[03:47] <manchicken> No luck.
[03:48] <manchicken> displayconfig doesn't seem to work very well in the liveCD
[03:48] <manchicken> Although I had this same problem with feisty.
[03:48] <manchicken> I'm trying to get it to go to 1650x1050 resolution.
[03:49] <manchicken> Is the ISO testing site using LP username and password?
[03:50] <Riddell> manchicken: no, it's a separate thing
[03:52] <manchicken> Okay, so trying to test hardware settings in displayconfig is not working for me.
[03:52] <manchicken> In konsole I'm seeing Python backtraces and calls to non-existent apport.
[03:52] <manchicken> The specific error is "IndexError: list index out of range"
[03:53] <manchicken> in file /var/lib/python-support/pyhon2.5/displayconfigabstraction.py around line 690, function "writeXorgConfig"
[03:54] <manchicken> Then again in the same file, line 641 in gfxcard._syncXorgConfig, and then 1283 in _syncXorgConfig with the context of "module = self.x_config.getSections('module')[0] 
[03:54] <manchicken> "
[03:54] <manchicken> Gosh I hope that helps.
[03:56] <manchicken> But to be honest, I think that exact same problem was happening in Feisty.
[03:58] <manchicken> And I think the kernel just panicked trying to reboot on the live CD.
[03:58] <manchicken> I don't think that's a very common use case though.
[03:59] <manchicken> Well, no, I'm wrong.
[03:59] <manchicken> They'd have to reboot after the install is done.
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: ?
[04:13] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: ?
[04:13] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: ah, what about jucato?
[04:14] <Jucato> ?
[04:17] <glatzor> manchicken: this is a bug in guidance
[04:17] <manchicken> glatzor: Won't argue with you on any of that :)
[04:17] <glatzor> manchicken: currently it requires a modules section in your xorg.conf
[04:18] <glatzor> manchicken: I am going to fix this after my final exams :)
[04:18] <manchicken> glatzor: Then if putting a modules section in xorg.conf is the problem, maybe we should put one in the xorg config on the live CD :)
[04:19] <glatzor> manchicken: does the live cd currently use a xorg.conf file at all?
[04:19] <glatzor> manchicken: sorry, but I am not uptodate :/
[04:20] <manchicken> I think it creates one on the fly, don't know for sure.
[04:20] <glatzor> hm
[04:20] <glatzor> I will look at this at the weekend
[04:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: burning...
[04:24] <manchicken> I'm playing hell trying to get ia32-libs installed.
[04:25] <ryanakca> manchicken: why not just setup dchroot?
[04:27] <manchicken> Because I'm hoping the kernel update will make my life easier by allowing me to suspend and resume again.
[04:28] <manchicken> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27430/
[04:28] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Damn you ChickenMan!
[04:29] <ryanakca> manchicken: ^z and `fg` don't work for you?
[04:29] <manchicken> ryanakca: Not for the whole computer they don't ;)
[04:30] <ryanakca> manchicken: ah, hehe
[04:30] <ryanakca> manchicken: try uninstalling mplayer32, installing ia32-libs, and then reinstalling mplayer32
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: I said something about Jucato?
[04:30] <manchicken> That's what I'm doing.
[04:30] <Tm_T> bah, forget
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Last thing I remember saying was somethign about WOrldWind and >net which I lead into with a java question shot at nixternal
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Then you pinged me with ?
[04:34] <manchicken> Ah, shitze, I think I found the problem.
[04:35] <DaSkreech> It takes me like a night to download a CD :(
[04:35] <manchicken> The dist-upgrade seems to want to kill ia32-libs-gtk
[04:37] <manchicken> I'll try aptitude and see if that helps.
[04:38] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: jucato and gearhead
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Oh right. Yeah he got a VHF
[04:39] <Tm_T> and that is...
[04:39] <Jucato> Virtual High Five
[04:39] <Tm_T> oki
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hiya xerosis
[04:39] <xerosis> hey Hobbsee
[04:40] <Tm_T> hi kids
[04:40] <Hobbsee> thanks for doing some of the bug triage - keep it up!  :D
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hi non-triager.
[04:40] <DaSkreech> HI Hobbsee
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hi other non-triager
[04:40] <Hobbsee> aka, not cool people :P
[04:40] <xerosis> Hobbsee: i've been slack of late, much more to come :)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:40] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[04:40] <Riddell> woo!
[04:41] <Hobbsee> xerosis: just remember - most bits of kde debian/ dirs are in bzr now, so please use them to commit fixes.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> meaning you can fix little bugs, some at a time, and then go back, and dont have to find a sponsor each time.
[04:41] <xerosis> *cough* 12248 *cough*
[04:41] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hum, like to test opensync-kdepim plugin? crashes here ;)
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: You had asked me to do a Inclusion report before I got ill
[04:41] <Hobbsee> bug 12248
[04:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12248 in xorg "[i810]  ddc sync ranges get lost in mode validation" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12248
[04:41] <DaSkreech> what was it about?
[04:41] <xerosis> oops...
[04:41] <Hobbsee> xerosis: hrm?
[04:41] <xerosis> bug 122448
[04:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122448 in amarok "Rating no longer confirmed by OSD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122448
[04:42] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: indeed.  i dont remember what on, and i lost my logs since then.
[04:42] <Tm_T> confirmed? as shown? isn't that user controlled?
[04:42] <xerosis> Hobbsee: where about are the bzrs?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: oh.  was an amarok wishlist bug
[04:42] <Hobbsee> xerosis: code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members
[04:42] <DaSkreech> which?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: the one about adding support for something or other.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> i think it might be assigned to me
[04:43] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: about adding karma support
[04:43] <Hobbsee> main inclusion report for libkarma
[04:43] <Hobbsee> no idea if it passes or fails the main tests
[04:44] <DaSkreech> kk
[04:45] <manchicken> aptitude seems to be having a better time now...
[04:46] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:47] <xerosis_> has anyone got any VM recommendations that aren't vmplayer or qemu?
[04:49] <Riddell> virtualbox
[04:49] <xerosis_> thanks, will have a look
[04:52] <Hobbsee> virtualbox seems to keep dying here
[04:52] <Hobbsee> keeps losing the machines, or says the have the wrong uuid, etc
[04:53] <xerosis_> well vm and qemu both run like crap on amd64 for some reason :/
[04:54] <Hobbsee> i think i moved the location, and it keeps dying ever since.  or something
[04:57] <xerosis_> Hobbsee: where are the kde bzrs?
[05:01] <ScottK> Hobbsee: When I tried to get the kdepim debian dir in bzr, the directory I wanted to put it in was created, but nothing got downloaded.  I'm not a memeber of kubuntu-members.  Is that a problem or is it something else?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you should be directly, i thought
[05:02] <Hobbsee> [00:42]  <Hobbsee> xerosis: code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members
[05:02] <Hobbsee> er, indirectly
[05:03] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I don't see it on my LP profile.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> hrm.
[05:04] <ScottK> Should all ubuntu-dev also be kubuntu-members?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-dev is probably a part of ubuntu-members, of which kubuntu-members should also be a part.  or something
[05:05] <Hobbsee> i dunno.  back soon
[05:05] <Hobbsee> ScottK: and why arent you a kubuntu member?
[05:05] <ScottK> Because since I was an Ubuntu member there didn't seem to be a reason to be a kubuntu member too.  Now it appears there is.
[05:06] <ScottK> I joined as an Ubuntu member because I do server stuff that's not really relevant to Kubuntu.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> oh blerg.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> either the LP permissions are stuffed, or it's just a nuisance
[05:07] <xerosis_> Hobbsee: does that mean I can't bzr up?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ScottK: er, where is the ~ubuntu-members team now?
[05:08] <ScottK> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ahh, no -
[05:08] <ScottK> No?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> no dash
[05:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK: added you manually
[05:09] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> xerosis_: it means that you can branch, but you cant commit to the main branch
[05:10] <Hobbsee> iirc
[05:10] <xerosis_> Hobbsee: okay, i guess that's fair enough
[05:11] <ScottK> Hobbsee: How does LP do with circular team membership?  Would there be a recursion issue (not kidding)?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK: dunno, to be honest.  the recursion is why i havent done it to this point
[05:12] <ScottK> It might be fun to try out, but probably not on teams as large as those.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> uh, yeah :P
[05:42] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I think I know why I was getting an empty kdepim/debian dir...  https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/debian says, "This branch is empty."  Is there a different one I should be pulling from?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> that *should* exist
[05:43] <Hobbsee> ScottK: maybe i havent got to kdepim yet....
[05:43] <Hobbsee> but i thought it waas there
[05:44] <Hobbsee> project doesnt exist yet.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> yay, nixternal!
[05:45] <ScottK> nixternal: Not 'til you suck up to the tech board.  It took you a while to get your MOTU council sucking up mojo going, so who knows?
[05:45] <nixternal> ahh, that will be easy
[05:46] <ScottK> Like how many debdiff revisions did courier take?
[05:46] <nixternal> hey, I found out why that happened
[05:46] <nixternal> the .diffs from MoM have the PO garbage in them, so it wasn't me :)  now I know where to start looking
[05:46] <ScottK> Hobbsee:  Well thanks to our discussion yesterday I've set up pbuilder and related stuff (including bzr) on one of my servers, so I'm ready when it does exist.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: register the product
[05:47] <Hobbsee> see wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr
[05:52] <ScottK> Oh man.  More stuff to learn...
[05:52] <Hobbsee> it's a good guide, actually
[05:52] <Hobbsee> and registration is very easy
[05:59] <manchicken> reboot
[06:01] <xerosis> bah, virtualbox doesn't appear to support 64bit guest OSes
[06:04] <nixternal> xerosis: yes it does, I am running it on a 64bit system right now
[06:04] <nixternal> they have a Feisty 64bit package on their website
[06:04] <xerosis> nixternal: guest, not host
[06:04] <nixternal> oh
[06:04] <nixternal> sorry, ya it doesn't for some odd reason
[06:05] <xerosis> "planned"
[06:05] <DaSkreech> manchicken: that's /reboot
[06:05] <Riddell> ryanakca: did you boot the CD?
[06:05] <Riddell> ScottK: are you able to test amd64 desktop CD?
[06:05] <nixternal> heh, 64bit host was planned for a long time, but now that they have that, maybe it won't take so long
[06:05] <nixternal> Riddell: I can
[06:05] <nixternal> downloading right now
[06:05] <ScottK> No.  I'm all i386
[06:05] <nixternal> should I do a "daily live" or just a "daily"?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> both?
[06:11] <Riddell> nixternal: daily-live amd64 is the one we're missing
[06:11] <Riddell> ScottK: oh, I'm confusing you with StevenK, sorry
[06:14] <Hobbsee> heh.  you're not hte only one.
[06:15] <xerosis> Riddell: am burning an amd64 now
[06:16] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Do I push the current published Gutsy kdepim debian dir there then?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> ScottK: just pushing the copy i have here now
[06:17] <nixternal> daily live is from yesterday it seems, and the reason being is because of the freeze I am taking it..it being the latest one
[06:17] <Hobbsee> (which is already bzr'd, etc)
[06:17] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'll wait then.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you'll need the one for today
[06:18] <nixternal> there isn't one for today
[06:18] <nixternal> 26-Jun-2007 23:47
[06:18] <nixternal> missed being todays by 13 minutes :)
[06:19] <nixternal> you know what I don't like about vbox, you can't do screenshots like you can with vmware
[06:20] <nixternal> vbox channel never answers
[06:21] <ScottK> nixternal: Now you can do the MOTU dance.
[06:21] <nixternal> ey?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:21] <Hobbsee> you can still use ksnapshot and such
[06:21] <nixternal> ya
[06:21] <ScottK> nixternal: Read your motu-council mail.  Congrats.
[06:21] <nixternal> that is what I have been doing, but the vmware snapshots are great
[06:21] <nixternal> ooh, mdz ack'd it
[06:22] <nixternal> cool
[06:22] <nixternal> thank you
[06:22] <nixternal> Matt Zimmerman (mdz) added you as a member of MOTU (motu).
[06:22] <nixternal> yeeeeeeeeehawwwww
[06:22] <nixternal> oh wait, that is imbrandon's line
[06:22] <Hobbsee> woo!
[06:23] <manchicken> Gutsy is the OMGMFS!
[06:23] <manchicken> I have my suspend and resume back.
[06:24] <Riddell> awooga
[06:24] <manchicken> I had to play a little to get the wireless working again, but that's normal with a broadcom.
[06:24] <xerosis> Riddell: first go, doesn't look like it's booting
[06:24] <xerosis> oh, it is, just slow
[06:25] <manchicken> Ooh, and it's got better fan control...
[06:25] <Riddell> xerosis: what's this?
[06:25] <nixternal> awooga! hahaha, my dad says that...where is that one from?
[06:25] <xerosis> Riddell: amd64 live cd
[06:25] <manchicken> My poor fan finally gets a break.
[06:26] <nixternal> who, kernel panic!
[06:26] <Riddell> xerosis: cool
[06:26] <nixternal> argh, whoa rather
[06:26] <manchicken> Although setting a CPU frequency policy doesn't seem to be supported.
[06:26] <manchicken> nixternal: Stop trying to scare me.
[06:26] <nixternal> hehe
[06:26] <manchicken> I'm fully up and running in gutsy.
[06:26] <manchicken> There is no going back :)
[06:27] <nixternal> is the livecd partitioning tool getting better yet?
[06:28] <manchicken> didn't try that.
[06:28] <manchicken> I just dist-upgraded.
[06:28] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Is kdepim in bzr yet?
[06:28] <nixternal> man I love the Comcast 10 minutes of 10MB/s downloads
[06:28] <nixternal> it gets me up to 8mb/s
[06:28] <manchicken> Nice.
[06:29] <manchicken> I was getting 1.2MB/s downloads earlier :)
[06:29] <nixternal> their upload speed bites the big one
[06:29] <nixternal> 2.3 right now
[06:29] <nixternal> 1.9
[06:29] <nixternal> and then it will level off to just below 1 and stay there usually
[06:30] <manchicken> I'm just hoping that the fan does kick back in here shortly...
[06:30] <manchicken> There we go.
[06:30] <nixternal> I was considering switching to AT&T DSL because they are cheaper, but it looks as if they are slower as well
[06:30] <manchicken> Yup. It's stepping my fan properly.
[06:30] <manchicken> That's nice.
[06:30] <manchicken> nixternal: And it's supporting AT&T
[06:30] <nixternal> manchicken: how do you check if your fan is stepping correctly? just by sound?
[06:30] <xerosis> Riddell: has got stuck in the same place twice now
[06:31] <manchicken> AT&T is certainly not a company to be supported.
[06:31] <manchicken> nixternal: Yeah.
[06:31] <nixternal> manchicken: AT&T was one of the best jobs I ever had, until they found all of my mirrors and game servers I was running on the sonnet ;)
[06:31] <xerosis> Riddell: god ignore me, third time worked
[06:31] <manchicken> nixternal: Yeah, but they violate privacy every chance they get.
[06:31] <nixternal> I will say, the fans on my laptop are super quiet, I have to flip it over and sick my ear to the fan hole just to see if it is working
[06:32] <nixternal> manchicken: so does my neighbor, but he is pretty cool ;p
[06:32] <manchicken> nixternal: When I'm compiling I get a bit louder of a fan.
[06:32] <manchicken> nixternal: 2.6.20 was at full blast fan 100% of the time.
[06:32] <manchicken> It was kinda irritating.
[06:32] <manchicken> And I'm sure it was being less energy efficient.
[06:32] <nixternal> ahh, Edgy did that to me, and Dapper didn't run the fan at all for me last I checked
[06:33] <Hobbsee> ScottK: erm, https://code.launchpad.net/kdepim/
[06:33] <nixternal> I will say I am impressed with Gutsy dev cycle so far, I haven't been crippled yet, and at this early in the stage you are usually crippled once or twice a week with previous cycles
[06:35] <Hobbsee> ScottK: oh.  wait.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> ScottK: apparently i forgot to commit.  or something.
[06:39] <nixternal> hehe
[06:39] <ScottK> Details, details....
[06:39] <nixternal> push push!
[06:39] <manchicken> Gutsy seems to be very nice.
[06:39] <manchicken> Lets see how it is with kpilot.
[06:39] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:40] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:/devel/kde3.5.7/kdepim/kdepim-3.5.7/debian$ bzr push sftp://hobbsee@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/debian
[06:40] <Hobbsee> Enter passphrase for key '/home/sarah/.ssh/id_dsa':
[06:40] <Hobbsee> | [[06:40] <Hobbsee> slowly...slowly...
[06:41] <manchicken> Okay, so kpilot under gutsy isn't any more fixed.
[06:41] <manchicken> But I think that's because kpilotDaemon has a problem.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Wilkommen nixternal
[06:42] <nixternal> muhehehe. world dominitation stage 1 complete
[06:42] <Hobbsee> *grin*
[06:46] <manchicken> Oh crapshite.
[06:46] <manchicken> kpilotDaemon just GPF'ed
[06:47] <nixternal> hrmm, KPD has been fairly stable for me for once
[06:47] <manchicken> Prior to KDE 3.5.7 I would have agreed.
[06:47] <nixternal> I wonder if it is because I use a legacy type palm
[06:48] <manchicken> Maybe.
[06:49] <ScottK> legacy for palm being defined as "actually works some of the time".
[06:49] <manchicken> WHY won't Kate let me save the filesystem browser in the bottom bar?
[06:49] <manchicken> It's kinda irritating having to move it every time.
[06:50] <nixternal> manchicken: even if you save the session, you still have to move it?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> ScottK: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/debian
[06:50] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[06:51] <nixternal> I need to get a newer mobile device to test, but don't know if Palm OS is the way to go or not, I haven't kept up on them
[06:51] <ScottK> That's fetching something.
[06:52] <ScottK> nixternal: My perspective is that Palm is going downhill fast, the Windows offering is, Windows, enough said, and the Linux devices I've looked at don't seem to quite be there yet.
[06:52] <ScottK> nixternal: Long way to say I dunno either.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ScottK: done that for 2 others too.  damn
[06:53] <nixternal> ya, I haven't heard anything good about them...none of the stores push them like they do the Windows mobile stuff
[06:53] <nixternal> I have played with the Zaurus, but all it is is a super small laptop
[06:57] <ScottK> LongPointyStick: That worked.  Thanks.
[06:58] <LongPointyStick> :)
[06:58] <nixternal> well, when Hobbsee becomes LongPointyStick, you know she is on her way to bedland
[07:01] <LongPointyStick> hehe
[07:02] <LongPointyStick> i'm just waiting for this damned bzr'd tree to upload
[07:02] <LongPointyStick> nixternal: or when i'm going to switch back to a local client
[07:02] <nixternal> ahh
[07:03] <manchicken> Yeah, kpilotDaemon is not much good.
[07:03] <manchicken> It's just sucking CPU and not doing a damned thing.
[07:10] <nixternal> hey, to register as a reviewer, it says please send a signed and encrypted mail with your password and gnupg key, what password are they trying to phish from me?
[07:10] <nixternal> ;p
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Your MSDN password :)
[07:28] <nixternal> hhe
[07:37] <fritsch> jonasp: ?
[07:37] <fritsch> sorry
[07:57] <mhb> Riddell: I am
[07:58] <mhb> but I was on the road all day, sorry :o)
[08:06] <mhb> Riddell: should I still test it? Or is that taken care of?
[08:51] <nixternal> sata cdrom drives suck for booting from
[08:51] <nixternal> I can get 1 solid boot from cd out of 10 or so tries
[08:52] <nixternal> and in order to upgrade my bios, I need a floppy drive
[09:14] <manchicken> I must say, gutsy--even in its current unstable form--is the best version of Kubuntu I've ever used.
[09:16] <mhb> manchicken: +1
[09:16] <manchicken> My sound seems to be having trouble though.
[09:16] <manchicken> I'm generating diagnostics now.
[09:21] <manchicken> crimsun: I've got you a diagnostic pastie where my sound isn't working.
[09:21] <manchicken> http://pastebin.ca/592420
[09:23] <manchicken> crimsun: `/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart` seems to have fixed that problem.
[09:25] <danimo> heya!
[09:26] <DaSkreech> nixternal: http://www.bash.org/?775778
[09:26] <danimo> lol
[09:30] <nixternal> AMD64 LiveCD test complete, All pass, 2 bugs, 1 issue with WinFOSS that could be my bios/sata drive's fault
[09:31] <Riddell> mhb: looks like we're good for testing just now
[09:31] <nixternal> seems, the 1 bug has already been fix committed, and isn't severe
[09:32] <nixternal> the other bug is nothing more than an annoyance until drivers are installed
[09:32] <DaSkreech> nixternal: what?
[09:32] <DaSkreech> #1 bug is fixed ?
[09:32] <xerosis> is there any dbg packages for 3.5.7 packages?
[09:32] <nixternal> yes, I just did a St. Ignucious Jihad on Microsoft. they are no more!
[09:33] <nixternal> would be nice if the winfoss screenshots were kubuntu.org :)
[09:34] <mhb> Riddell: I've talked to the kaffeine guys about the "hot potato" issue (nobody wants to code a on-demand codec support for it) and they say it could be done, but no more work on kaffeine in kde3
[09:34] <Riddell> mhb: fair enough
[09:35] <Riddell> I think we should just have amarok install kubuntu-restricted-thing and that'll catch most people soon enough
[09:36] <mhb> Riddell: I'm against it, nobody wants java with amarok
[09:36] <Riddell> oh aye, it does that too
[09:43] <nixternal> found another Tribe 2 bug, firefox in winfoss needs to be updated
[09:43] <mhb> Riddell: can amarok detect other formats as well?
[09:43] <mhb> Riddell: not just mp3
[09:44] <Riddell> don't think so
[09:44] <DaSkreech> Hmm I filed a winfoss Bug I forget what it was though
[09:44] <Riddell> but installing libxine-ffmpeg does cover most interesting stuff
[09:44] <DaSkreech>  something about the hidden links going all over the place
[09:44] <Riddell> nixternal: how's the tribe 2 page?
[09:44] <mhb> Riddell: because, for some reason, flac is in main but not in Kubuntu
[09:45] <DaSkreech> mhb: I'll put that up to space on the CD :)
[09:45] <mhb> DaSkreech: 173kB
[09:46] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Edubuntu is its own beast right ?
[09:46] <Riddell> probably just nothing depends on it
[09:46] <Riddell> DaSkreech: in which respect?
[09:46] <DaSkreech> Well it's shipping on Two CDs now. I assume that isn't a precedent for the rest of the *Buntus
[09:47] <DaSkreech> Though Ubuntu will ship at least two cds for Gutsy :-(
[09:47] <Riddell> it's not something we want to follow
[09:47] <nixternal> Riddell: I will start it here in a few ;) been super busy the past couple of days, but it only takes me a few minutes to crank out
[09:47] <Riddell> err, it will?
[09:47] <DaSkreech> For a while
[09:47] <DaSkreech> FOSS And regular?
[09:47] <nixternal> Ubuntu as well?
[09:47] <nixternal> oh, that is different
[09:47] <DaSkreech> Wasn't that the plan?
[09:47] <nixternal> Edubuntu is now a 2 cd release
[09:47] <DaSkreech> Yeah it is kinda
[09:47] <nixternal> meaning it takes 2 cds to do the install ;)
[09:47] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure that's not the case for ubuntu
[09:48] <DaSkreech> nixternal: yeah but it's one CD to install one more for interesting stuff
[09:48] <nixternal> Ubuntu and Gnubuntu?
[09:48] <DaSkreech> You can actually install Edubuntu with one Cd
[09:48] <nixternal> or whatever they are going to name the free version
[09:48] <DaSkreech> and then Hungry Hammerstein might have a Ubuntu Mobile
[09:49] <Riddell> mobile is scheduled for gutsy
[09:49] <DaSkreech> Oh. Ok so that's three versions then
[09:49] <Riddell> DaSkreech: do you have any reference for this two CDs?  or are you just making it all up?
[09:50] <DaSkreech> So Happy Hippo will have a Ubuntu Ultimate? :)
[09:50] <Riddell> there's loads of versions of ubuntu.  kubuntu is only one of them
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Riddell: The Edubuntu 2 cds ?
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Or the Ubuntu
[09:50] <Riddell> DaSkreech: ubuntu
[09:50] <DaSkreech> I didn't mean that
[09:51] <Riddell> "Ubuntu will ship at least two cds for Gutsy"
[09:51] <Riddell> what did you mean?
[09:51] <DaSkreech> I know they are shipping two cds for Gutsy but that's more political than Space related
[09:51] <nixternal> Riddell: is it possible to rename the CD images for Kubuntu amd64 to say 'Kubuntu 7.10 64bit' instead of 'Kubuntu 7.10 amd'?
[09:51] <DaSkreech> They said they will have two cds One which is FOSS and one that may not have that commitment
[09:51] <mhb> nixternal: that's a nice idea
[09:51] <nixternal> OK, testing is totally complete now
[09:52] <mhb> DaSkreech: who said that and where?
[09:52] <nixternal> WinFOSS is the buggiest thing the CD has to offer ;p
[09:52] <nixternal> only because the packages in WinFOSS are not up to date
[09:52] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Yeah :)
[09:52] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Oh you are testing winfoss now?
[09:52] <nixternal> just finished it
[09:52] <DaSkreech> nixternal: on the subpages the links are wonky I think
[09:52] <Riddell> DaSkreech: the free software only version is just another ubuntu variant, it's not a second CD for ubuntu desktop
[09:52] <DaSkreech> nixternal: the hidden links
[09:52] <DaSkreech> Oh!
[09:53] <DaSkreech> I thought that they would be equals
[09:53] <Riddell> sure, just like kubuntu is an equal
[09:53] <DaSkreech> not really :)
[09:53] <DaSkreech> When you go to the Ubuntu page there is a DOWNLOAD UBUNTU and a kubuntu link off to the side
[09:53] <ScottK> Were all equal, but some of us are more equal than others.
[09:53] <Riddell> nixternal: amd64 is the architecture, bit late to change that now
[09:54] <mhb> Riddell: websites can still be remade
[09:54] <DaSkreech> I was envisioning DOWNLOAD UBUNTU And DOWNLOAD UBUNTU WITH PROPEITARY
[09:54] <DaSkreech> not a side link
[09:54] <DaSkreech> as in they are always mentioned side by side
[09:55] <DaSkreech> I wasn't looking at it as a new project
[09:55] <DaSkreech>  which is kinda stupid since gnewsense already exists
[09:55] <DaSkreech> Riddell: So the answer for my first question is Yes
[09:55] <nixternal> Riddell: it doesn't say amd64, it says amd
[09:55] <mhb> Riddell: err, sorry
[09:55] <DaSkreech> Edubutnu is it's own bearst and it's unlikely anyone else will ship two cds anytime soon
[09:55] <nixternal> amd64 would work as well
[09:56] <mhb> 64bit would be better
[09:56] <nixternal> DaSkreech: which hidden links are you referring to?
[09:57] <DaSkreech> nixternal: the images at the top like Opencd and Kubuntu have links if you mouse over them
[09:57] <Riddell> nixternal: "gutsy-desktop-amd64.iso"
[09:57] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, I am talking the name when you stick the CD into the drive and Windows reads it
[09:57] <nixternal> it says amd and nothing about amd64 or 64bit
[09:57] <Riddell> ah, right
[09:57] <DaSkreech> nixternal: When you click on anything in Winfoss that takes you to a subpage just kinda run your mouse over the place sometimes it'llturn into a hand
[09:58] <danimo> Riddell: how safe is it to upgrade to gutsy?
[09:58] <Riddell> nixternal: file a bug I guess, maybe on casper
[09:58] <nixternal> OK, will do
[09:58] <Riddell> danimo: working well for me.  manchicken was nervous but tried it out today and seems happy
[09:58] <danimo> Riddell: ok, great
[09:58] <nixternal> DaSkreech: I don't see the hand gesture unless I am on a link
[09:58] <danimo> Riddell: xrandr 1.2 is so ubercool
[09:59] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Guess they got removed then
[09:59] <danimo> Riddell: but I didn't dare to try it on my laptop yet
[09:59] <danimo> Riddell: did a backup, getting there now
[10:29] <xerosis> just to check, .kde can't become owned by root without running a program with root can it?
[10:29] <Riddell> no directory can
[10:30] <xerosis> *sudo
[10:30] <xerosis> didn't think so but a bug mentioned lots of issues on the forum
[10:30] <xerosis> just thought it was weird so many people managed to
[10:32] <xerosis> it only happens installing kde programs in gnome, but it happens straight away...
[10:36] <manchicken> I'm diggin' gutsy.
[10:38] <DaSkreech> I'm still chicken enough to wait for a B release
[10:43] <mhb> Riddell: do you prefer the k3b OSD or the amarok OSD?
[10:44] <Riddell> k3b one is smaller :)
[10:44] <mhb> Riddell: I'm hacking amarok osd to look like k3b osd right now
[10:46] <manchicken> danimo: There are always risks with unstable stuff, but I'm digging this version.  It's working quite well.
[10:51] <DaSkreech> What does k3b run on top of?
[10:51] <DaSkreech> cdrtools?
[11:06] <xerosis> why would bdmurray have comfirmed bug 109292?
[11:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109292 in kdebase "login screen - input fields wont come up for a long time" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109292
[11:06] <manchicken> How does one configure cdr to run as root?
[11:07] <mhb> manchicken: one don't
[11:08] <mhb> manchicken: I've talked with pygi, he's doing some CD-burning cleanups in Ubuntu as his SoC
[11:08] <mhb> manchicken: he said the Debian fork of cdrtools doesn't need to be run as root
[11:08] <mhb> manchicken: and the message in k3b is wrong
[11:10] <manchicken> Nice.
[11:14] <DaSkreech> mhb: Do you know waht k3b sits on top of? is it cdrdao ?
[11:15] <DaSkreech> Hmm relies on cdrdao and cdrecord
[11:15] <DaSkreech> I thought that cdrecord was defunct
[11:30] <manchicken> Anybody else having nspluginscan crash when they try to scan /usr/lib/kde3 for plugins?
[11:32] <Riddell> no crashes here
[11:33] <manchicken> I wonder if it's a 64-bit thing.
[11:33] <manchicken> Is nspluginscan trying to actually load the libs?
[11:33] <manchicken> If so it may not be happy dealing with 32-bit libs.
[11:33] <manchicken> Though I'd be curious to know why there would be 32-bit KDE libs...
[11:38] <manchicken> the konqueror plugin for gnash doesn't install the libs in a place where konqueror looks for them by default.
[11:38] <manchicken> So it's possible--and likely--for someone to install the konqueror plugin and then wonder why they can't use it.
[11:38] <manchicken> Not everybody's going to know to look for where the package installed the lib and then scan for it separately.
[11:42] <manchicken> gnash supports amd64, right?
[11:43] <manchicken> Ack, I'm going about this wrong.
[11:43] <manchicken> klash is a kpart...
[11:43] <manchicken> duh
[11:44] <xerosis> manchicken: does klash work for you?
[11:45] <xerosis> doesn't play youtube or pretty much anything for me
[11:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Is there any chance you would put on your archive admin hat for a moment to rescue an update that's waiting for approval?
[11:48] <manchicken> Yeah, I was expecting to have to set up the plugin :)
[11:48] <manchicken> nintendo.com doesn't work too well with it.
[11:48] <Riddell> ScottK: what is it?  where is it?  does it mess with freeze?
[11:48] <manchicken> Let's see about xboxlive.com
[11:49] <ScottK> clamav 0.90.3-1ubuntu2 source (and also clamsmtp 1.8-5.2ubuntu2 if you are feeling generous)
[11:49] <ScottK> Shouldn't mess with the freeze, they are both Universe packages.
[11:49] <ScottK> They fix common postinst failures, so it'd be nice to get them out if a bunch of people are going to be installing soon.
[11:49] <manchicken> Nope, klash doesn't work too well with xboxlive.com either.
[11:50] <manchicken> I suppose I'll have to hold onto firefox32
[11:50] <ScottK> Riddell: The are just awaiting approval because Main is frozen right now.
[11:52] <manchicken> That sucked.
[11:52] <manchicken> klash just killed my X server.
[11:52] <ScottK> Sounds like it's not named klash for nothing.
[11:53] <manchicken> Let's see if that happens again...
[11:54] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted
[11:54] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[11:57] <manchicken> I think it's safe to say that klash is not stable.
[11:57] <manchicken> Just trying to view a youtube video kills my x server.
[11:57] <gnomefreak> manchicken: feisty?
[11:57] <manchicken> Gutsy
[11:58] <manchicken> ScottK: I work from home.  Productivity isn't the goal ;)
[11:58] <gnomefreak> manchicken: hmmmm
[11:58] <manchicken> kate++
[11:58] <gnomefreak> manchicken: i dont think that is klash i think it is opengl
[11:58] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Possible.
[11:59] <manchicken> gnomefreak: either way, the pattern is to try playing a youtube video in konq with klash.'
[11:59] <manchicken> I'm using xorg drivers, too.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> manchicken: im leaning towards it. its using opengl and it shouldnt we have patch for agg use instead
[11:59] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Well as soon as that comes out I'm happy to play with it.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> manchicken: its known and being worked on :) we were just talking about this
[11:59] <manchicken> But for now I think it's gonna have to leave.
[12:01] <manchicken> I'm also on amd64...
[12:01] <manchicken> I've got three things against me: amd64, xorg drivers with no accel, and an ATI.
[12:01] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Though if any more podcasts start popping up, we'll need to move further away from work just so that our commute is long enough to listen to them all. Seeing as how we work from home, that could prove very difficult.
[12:02] <manchicken> I have the worst possible hardware setup: ATI and Broadcom.
[12:02] <DaSkreech> I damn near died laughing when I read that
[12:02] <manchicken> What podcast?
[12:02] <manchicken> read what?
[12:02] <manchicken> You lost me.
[12:03] <DaSkreech> manchicken: you just said you worked from home and it reminded me of that news article
[12:03] <manchicken> Ah
[12:04] <DaSkreech> If you want the link http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/06/26/threespeech-podcast-set-to-rival-our-own/
[12:05] <manchicken> Gonna run.  Later.
[12:09] <mhb> anyone still awake?
[12:09] <mhb> http://bayimg.com/NAcAoaAbj <-- the promised amarok k3b-like OSD
[12:10] <Riddell> whee!
[12:12] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[12:12] <mhb> Riddell: do you like it?
[12:12] <DaSkreech> We will not remove any pictures that are just immoral
[12:12] <DaSkreech> that's a great disclaimer
[12:12] <DaSkreech> mhb: I assume it grows to whatever size it needs to?
[12:13] <mhb> DaSkreech: it should behave like the amarok OSD usually does
[12:15] <DaSkreech> mhb: Neat