[03:16] <dick-richardson> Will we be able to install gutsy on a nokia n800?
[03:17] <Tm_T> eh
[03:17] <gnomefreak> dick-richardson: too early to know
[03:17] <Pici> I havent heard anything about people testing gutsy or even starting to test gutsy on portable devices.
[03:17] <Pici> or what gnomefreak said.
[03:18] <gnomefreak> we hav ea moble team but i havent asked yet and i think everyone is working on the important things at this time
[03:19] <dick-richardson> Only makes sense
[03:19] <gnomefreak> Pici: you on gutsy?
[03:19] <Pici> gnomefreak: Yes.
[03:19] <Pici> I'm free.
[03:19] <gnomefreak> Pici: can you open system>appearance
[03:20] <Pici> gnomefreak: opening
[03:20] <gnomefreak> Pici: let me know if it loads the full thing
[03:20] <gnomefreak> try to change tabs once its loaded if it loads
[03:20] <Pici> gnomefreak: Seems to work fine
[03:21] <gnomefreak> Pici: do you have gnome-themes-extras installed?
[03:21] <Pici> gnomefreak: Yes.
[03:21] <gnomefreak> your not using nvidia are you
[03:22] <Pici> fglrx with an ati card
[03:22] <gnomefreak> Pici: ty
[03:22] <Pici> gnomefreak: no problem
[03:23] <Sayers> Is Gusty in a semi-usable state?
[03:24] <Pici> Hm.  Tricky question.
[03:25] <gnomefreak> not unless you can fix anything that breaks
[03:25] <gnomefreak> atm its mainly devels that are testing it everyone else should wait a bit longer
[03:26] <gnomefreak> Sayers: some cant boot to gutsy at all some can so is it semi usable i would have to say no because you might be one that cant boot
[03:27] <gnomefreak> Sayers: you have kde4 on feisty so if that is your reason dont do it. btw gutsy wont have kde4 default only bits and peices of it as feisty does
[03:57] <T-Connection> Can I get the new stuff that is from the beta onto the 7.04?
[03:58] <RAOF> Not without breaking your system.
[03:58] <RAOF> Or, at least, potentially breaking your system.
[03:58] <T-Connection> Ok I understand. XD
[03:59] <T-Connection> Going now.
[03:59] <RAOF> (For values of "break" up to and including "must reinstall from cd" :))
[03:59] <Pici> oh well.
[04:14] <Sayers> Then what will be so great about gusty?
[04:14] <wfarr> Lots
[04:15] <Sayers> wfarr: Like?
[04:15] <RAOF> compiz-by-default, new gnome, better restricted-manager, xorg 7.3 (hopefully), XRandR 1.2 (so monitor hotplugging, yay!)
[04:15] <wfarr> ... you want me to enumerate all the planned features of an entire OS?
[04:17] <Sayers> wfarr: A link would work
[04:17] <tritium> compiz-by-default might not necessarily be something I will like
[04:17] <wfarr> tritium, bah you folks with your old-fashioned non-composite window manager
[04:17] <wfarr> s
[04:17] <wfarr> :P
[04:17] <tritium> wfarr: pfft
[04:18] <Sayers> Not untill it works perfectly with everything and is very low usage on hardware
[04:18] <wfarr> Sayers, it will never work with everything
[04:18] <RAOF> Well, that's never going to happen.
[04:18] <wfarr> because not everything supports 3d
[04:18] <wfarr> or tfp
[04:18] <wfarr> etc etc
[04:18] <wfarr> the list goes on for ages
[04:18] <RAOF> But you can enable it by default on hardware that supports it.
[04:18] <wfarr> Yup
[04:19] <RAOF> And on that hardware it speeds things up.
[04:19] <wfarr> and since 99% of PCs made within the last 4-5 years _can_ run it...
[04:19] <RAOF> (Unless you go crazy with the effects)
[04:19] <wfarr> well not 99, maybe, but really really high
[04:19] <wfarr> even this 5-year old laptop can run it peachy keen
[04:19] <Sayers> wfarr: Well is it forced or defualt?
[04:20] <RAOF> What would "forced" mean?
[04:20] <Sayers> You can't switch to normal
[04:20] <RAOF> No, of course not.
[04:20] <wfarr> It's by default. You can disable it by opening up desktop-effects and unticking it.
[04:20] <Sayers> Fair enough. Do the features outweigh the bugs at the moment. I'd love to switch
[04:21] <RAOF> "forced" would requrie it to work on everything.
[04:21] <wfarr> .... of course they do
[04:21] <RAOF> Yes.  Absolutely.
[04:21] <wfarr> why else would Ubuntu be installing it by default? XD
[04:21] <Sayers> So It is worth trying out :D :D?
[04:21] <wfarr> "Hum - completely unstable. Welp, why not!" XD
[04:21] <wfarr> of course it is
[04:21] <wfarr> if you wait a few days, Tribe 2 should be out
[04:22] <wfarr> and if your hardware supports it, even the LiveCD will have Desktop Effects working
[04:22] <RAOF> IIRC, Suse enables it by default.  Or very nearly.
[04:22] <RAOF> wfarr: Yeah.  The livecd looks good on a laptop with an radeon 9100 mobile :)
[04:22] <wfarr> hehe
[04:22] <wfarr> I'd kill for a 9100
[04:22] <Sayers> well I loved using Edgy when Sarge was out
[04:26] <bonbonthejon> are other people having problems with the newest network-manager / knetworkmanager
[04:29] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: what problems?  and which n-m/knm?
[04:29] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee:
[04:30] <Sayers> grr the download would take hours ;d
[04:30] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: earlier I knetworkmanager could see my network card and list my network but took a long time to connect to one, now the most recent one doesn't list my network card
[04:31] <RAOF> bonbonthejon: Does anything see your network card?  (ie: ifconfig, iwconfig, etc?)
[04:31] <bonbonthejon> RAOF: yes, ifconfig works, I wrote a script earlier that connects me (how I am on here now), but knetworkmanager sees nothing
[04:32] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: doesnt see your wifi at all, or just no netwroks?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: and did it in feisty?
[04:32] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: gutsy up-to-date, and there is no spot for the wifi like before
[04:33] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: that's weird...
[04:33] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: i suppose moving knetworkmanagerrc out of the way does nothing?
[04:33] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: I've been having problems with wifi, but for a while it was working
[04:33] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: details, I'm willing to try it
[04:34] <Hobbsee> mmm.  might be worth trying it
[04:34] <Hobbsee> it was a bad merge - it was supposed to be broken, and then fixed for tribe 2
[04:35] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: like i said, it was working this morning, then the updates during the day messed it up
[04:35] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: how can I move knetworkmanagerrc? where is it?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: locate knetworkmanagerrc :)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: and mornings and afternoons mean nothing to me.
[04:37] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: yeah, US. The updates to networkmanager in the past 24 hours did it
[04:38] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: ok, heres a question: does networkmanager not play well with ndiswrapper
[04:38] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: correct.  well, depends on how pesky ndiswrapper is, and what in particular card you're using with ndiswrapper
[04:39] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: that might be one problem. I've tried using the bcm43xx driver, but it wouldn't work, so I went with ndiswrapper
[04:40] <Hobbsee> well, if it's bcm43xx....
[04:42] <bonbonthejon> ...?
[04:48] <DanaG> I'd want it to keep everything in the same relative places, but simplify enough to leave GPU in low-power mode.
[04:48] <wfarr> DanaG, you can just disable everything except for like Plane plugin
[04:48] <wfarr> =p
[04:48] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: they're known for being evil cards.
[04:48] <DanaG> BUt I'd want it to dynamically switch based on power state.
[04:49] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: yeah. I have an atheros card, but its pcmcia and my laptop only has ExpressCard
[04:49] <wfarr> you can always file a feature-request for it
[04:50] <RAOF> DanaG: That'd probably be quite simple, actually.  We'd ship a "powersave" profile, and switch to it based on power level?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:50] <wfarr> RAOF, that'd work, yeah
[04:51] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: and, as I haven't found too many ExpressCard wifi, I'm stuck with broadcom
[04:51] <wfarr> but... I think this might be something that would really be a good idea to have in the core package, because I'm sure it'd be rather useful in a lot of cases
[04:51] <DanaG> But I'd want to preserve the relative layout of the 2D things -- for example, a window hanging on cube 4-1 would be on flat 4-1.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: yeah, i know your pain :(
[04:51] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: i cant use my atheros card here either
[04:52] <DanaG> I found a PCIe Asus card -- but it's not Expesscard either.  Too bad ExpressCard->{Cardbus,PCIe} adapters are so ludicrously expensive.
[04:52] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: I love madwifi with my atheros card on my old laptop, but broadcom stinks, my card is supposedly supported but it never worked
[04:52] <RAOF> DanaG: That would be more difficult (if you mean switching to metacity), I believe.
[04:52] <DanaG> Then I mean switching compiz profiles.
[04:52] <RAOF> Oh, then it should work just fine.
[04:53] <DanaG> Gateway actually still uses Cardbus, and not ExpressCard.  For a while, HP had both, but now they only have the latter.
[04:54] <bonbonthejon> DanaG: yup, new HP
[04:54] <DanaG> DV8000 and DV5000 were the old ones.  Now they're 9000 and 6000, respectively.
[04:54] <RAOF> DanaG: Actually, you could probably add that support into gnome-power-manager.  Hm...
[04:55] <DanaG> The best thing I did to my laptop was to put little rubber feat on the rear bottom of my laptop.
[04:55] <DanaG> I got them off some old SCSI CD tower.
[04:57] <DanaG> Oh yeah, now HP offers a 17" with choice of Intel IGP or NVIDIA 8400 or 8600.
[04:57] <DanaG> That's a Santa Rosa one.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> yay, found the webpage i wanted.
[04:59] <RAOF> Which one?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> https://www.fsfe.org/en/fellows/greve/freedom_bits/authenticating_ssh_logins_with_the_fellowship_crypto_card
[05:00] <DanaG> !info trousers
[05:00] <ubotu> trousers: An open-source TCG Software Stack (TSS). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9.1-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 460 kB, installed size 744 kB
[05:00] <DanaG> besides joking about the name.
[05:02] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Cool.
[05:29] <jriachi> hello
[05:30] <bonbonthejon> hi
[05:30] <jriachi> this bug is kde-relatated
[05:30] <bonbonthejon> jriachi: ok
[05:31] <jriachi> when i right-click on the desktop and choose configure->behaviour->device icons->show device icons... nothing happens
[05:32] <bonbonthejon> jriachi: mine toggles the checkbox, is that what you mean?
[05:32] <jriachi> i mean, checkit and click apply
[05:33] <bonbonthejon> jriachi: where should i chek
[05:33] <jriachi> (one second... because now i cant get the device icons to dissapear :S)
[05:34] <jriachi> i'll start a new user, be back in a few seconds
[05:37] <jriachi> i'm back :)
[05:37] <bonbonthejon> jriachi: ok. what you got?
[05:38] <jriachi> we were in behaviour->device icons, right?
[05:38] <bonbonthejon> jriachi: yeah
[05:38] <bonbonthejon> jriachi: i disabled the box, then plugged in my ipod and the icon popped up. Is that not right?
[05:39] <jriachi> in my new user, the "show device icons" is unchecked by default, when i check it, and check show hard disks... and apply.. no device icon appear on my desktop :S
[05:40] <bonbonthejon> jriachi: i disabled it and my ipod showed up on the desktop. You might as well file a bug report; can't hurt anything
[05:44] <jriachi> ok, i'll try to describe that (it is hard to get device icons on the desktop, but it is harder no remove them :) )
[06:05] <jriachi> I made a nice video record of the bug :D
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[07:36] <KrakensDen> hi, hald-addon-storage is constantly polling my cdrom drive, and I'd like to make the noise stop :). Any ideas?
[07:37] <Amaranth> KrakensDen: heh, didn't we just work all this out?
[07:37] <Amaranth> KrakensDen: you can file a bug but hal-addon-storage is probably going to keep doing the same thing, it's useful
[07:37] <KrakensDen> Amaranth, yes, now I'm asking for a solution ;)
[07:37] <Amaranth> sudo killall hal-addon-storage
[07:38] <KrakensDen> Amaranth, but then: it happens again when I reboot
[07:38] <Amaranth> yep
[07:39] <KrakensDen> besides, I don't object to polling
[07:39] <KrakensDen> I object to noisy polling
[07:39] <KrakensDen> and it does indeed make a loud noise
[07:40] <KrakensDen> Amaranth, plus, it doesn't work :P
[07:40] <KrakensDen> Amaranth, process gone, polling, not
[07:40] <KrakensDen> and hal doesn't seem to have an entry in init.d
[07:40] <Amaranth> hal is started by dbus
[07:41] <KrakensDen> I love dbus- when I don't have to interact with it
[07:41] <Amaranth> you don't want to stop hal
[07:41] <Amaranth> your desktop will probably crash :P
[07:41] <KrakensDen> I've done it before, it deals pretty well. Basically your hardware applets stop working
[07:44] <KrakensDen> aaand... restarting dbus does it
[07:44] <shirish> guys I had installed unifont as well as unifont-bin & now get stuck at X.org
[07:44] <KrakensDen> nevermind
[07:44] <shirish> I was able to go to 2.6.22 & use recover & startx from there
[07:45] <shirish> here is the X.org.log file if that can give you guys some idea why is it not starting
[07:45] <shirish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27371/
[07:45] <shirish> lemme know if I need to do something more.
[07:50] <KrakensDen> strace says hald is just doing this: open("/sys/block/dm-0/range", ... over and over again :/
[07:50] <KrakensDen> which is wierd
[07:51] <KrakensDen> because there is no dm-0 file in /sys/block
[07:51] <KrakensDen> s/file/folder
[08:19] <KrakensDen> Amaranth, looks like it might be evm, which starts up even though it's disable in services-config
[08:20] <KrakensDen> Amaranth, and removing it 'fixes' the problem, in case you see someone else come in with that some day :)
[09:23] <Hobbsee> *** gutsy cd testers needed ****
[09:30] <Adlai> Hobbsee, I'll test a cd
[09:30] <Adlai> what do you need
[09:30] <Hobbsee> Adlai: you  prefer ubuntu?
[09:31] <Adlai> depends what it's being compared to
[09:31] <Hobbsee> as opposed to kubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu
[09:31] <Adlai> oh
[09:31] <Adlai> I really don't have a preference
[09:31] <Adlai> not a consistent one, anyway
[09:32] <Adlai> while you're waiting for a response, what's required for the test?
[09:32] <Hobbsee> Adlai: https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Ubuntu
[09:32] <Adlai> sweet
[09:33] <Adlai> desktop, or does it matter?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> Adlai: that check cd works, the live cd part works, that your particular choice of partitioning works
[09:33] <Hobbsee> Adlai: desktop is quicker.
[09:33] <Adlai> k
[09:33] <Hobbsee> Adlai: pick one that someone else hasnt done, basically :)
[09:33] <Adlai> gotcha
[09:33] <Hobbsee> check if compiz dies
[09:34] <Adlai> hmmmmm
[09:34] <Hobbsee> [17:23]  <pitti> Hobbsee: I did test installs yesterday and there were quite a lot of bugs; I need to talk to mvo and cjwatson_
[09:34] <Adlai> does it matter that I have a radeon x1400?
[09:34] <Hobbsee> [17:23]  <pitti> Hobbsee: so for Ubuntu we might need an update at least
[09:34] <Hobbsee> [17:24]  <pitti> Hobbsee: ubiquity hanging eternally on manual partitioning, hanging session splash, no shutdown dialog, and other people had lots and lots of crashes with compiz
[09:34] <Adlai> it will need to run on xgl, not aiglx, basically
[09:34] <Hobbsee> no.  even better
[09:34] <Adlai> okay, cool
[09:34] <Hobbsee> it should all "just work"
[09:34] <Adlai> understood
[09:34] <Hobbsee> [17:33]  <pitti> Hobbsee: and booting the live system will already test the compiz stuff we're interested in; ubiquity tests cannot hurt, too
[09:34] <Hobbsee> [17:33]  * pitti is going to look into his bugs from yesterday in more detail
[09:36] <Adlai> where do I download the image?
[09:36] <Adlai> oh never mind
[09:38] <crimsun> https://isotesting.stgraber.org/
[09:39] <coNP> Hey Hobbsee! I was too late, dholbach fixed Inkscape :)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> coNP: oh well :)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> coNP: btw, stevenk said that he'd help you out with openbox, and upload it to debian, if you wanted
[09:41] <Hobbsee> he's on his way home
[09:42] <coNP> cool Hobbsee, many thanks
[09:43] <coNP> Mithrandir said he dropped Openbox in Debian as well...
[09:43] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:43] <Hobbsee> coNP: i suggest you adopt it, then
[09:43] <coNP> can I adopt it without being a DD?
[09:46] <RAOF> Yup, you'll just need to find sponsors for your uploads.
[09:46] <Hobbsee> yep
[09:49] <coNP> Do you know if stevenk is a DD, BTW?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> he is
[09:49] <coNP> Okay then he might sponsor me
[09:49] <RAOF> He's hopefully sponsoring my specto upload :)
[09:49] <Hobbsee> i asked him to and he said yes, so...
[09:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:52] <Hobbsee> hm?
[09:52] <coNP> A => B and B => C,  and I asked if C => A
[09:53] <Hobbsee> ahh
[10:02] <bonniot> hi. i'm trying to setup a mixed feisty/gutsy setup (using pinning), to be able to upgrade some packages, but cannot get it to work (some packages would be upgraded when they shouldn't, and -t gutsy still doesn't work). is this documented somewhere, or can somebody help?
[10:03] <coNP> I mean "if it is possible"
[10:03] <RAOF> If I wanted some of the new packages from Gusty, but didn't want to run Gutsy, I'd apt-get source them and pbuilder them for Feisty.
[10:06] <RAOF> If you were to try pinning, some of them will almost certainly depend on the new libc, and there's no guarantee that apt/dpkg/whatever will work with a different version of libc.
[10:10] <bonniot> right, i see it's a risk. although it's still libc6 2.5
[10:11] <bonniot> fyi, i changed my gutsy source to a different mirror, updated, and now things seem to go as expected. weird
[10:26] <compengi> is there a way i can right a pdf text?
[10:27] <RAOF> Openoffice
[10:27] <compengi> then save as pdf?
[10:28] <RAOF> Indeed.
[10:30] <compengi> RAOF, i don't see in save as option to able to save it as .pdf
[10:30] <RAOF> Export to PDF?
[10:34] <compengi> RAOF, thanks it worked
[12:38] <Dabian> How do I install?????????????
[12:38] <khermans_> download, burn, boot
[12:39] <Dabian> No sorry
[12:39] <Dabian> How upgrade from fiersty?
[12:40] <Dabian> (+ dumb stuf english grammar requires)
[12:42] <Dabian> khermans_: Please help me a lot!!!!
[12:42] <khermans_> Dabian, how to upgrade?
[12:42] <Dabian> Yes
[12:42] <Dabian> I have feisty fawns
[12:42] <Dabian> I wants ubotu+1
[12:43] <khermans_> Dabian,
[12:43] <khermans_> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[12:43] <Dabian> tnx
[12:43] <Dabian> *hug*
[12:43] <crdlb> If you don't know how, or how to find out, you shouldn't be doing it
[12:43] <khermans_> well, just replace all instances of feisty with gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:43] <khermans_> Dabian, crdlb makes a good point
[12:43] <khermans_> you will break something
[12:44] <Dabian> I have good expirience with ubuntu+1 when I upgrade to feisty fawns
[12:45] <Dabian> How can I help test guysy?
[12:45] <Dabian> gutsy
[12:46] <Dabian> Whats very broken right now?
[12:49] <Dabian> (I cannot read the topic)
[12:49] <Dabian> oh .. now I can
[12:49] <Dabian> khermans_: apt-get -u dist-upgrade ?
[12:50] <khermans_> Dabian, sudo aptitude update
[12:50] <khermans_> Dabian, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:50] <Dabian> In screen :)
[12:50] <khermans_> you may need to run it a few times
[12:50] <khermans_> sometimes it breaks..
[12:50] <Dabian> Right .. there is always errors
[12:51] <Dabian> Even if released, right?
[12:51] <Dabian> From CD is easier .. but I will try aptitude upgrade :)
[12:53] <Dabian> When everything is broken, I come back, and you help me, ok? :)
[12:56] <Dabian> Btw.  should I make notes about problems with the upgrade?
[12:57] <Dabian> Hmm
[12:57] <Dabian> wait
[12:57] <Dabian> 4 month is a long time ..
[12:57] <Dabian> Is there a backport instead?
[12:59] <Dabian> crdlb: Come to think about it, you have a good point.
[01:00] <Dabian> khermans_: You're right, I get too easy annoyed for gutsy.
[01:00] <Dabian> I want stuff to just work
[01:00] <khermans_> then dont use gusty
[01:00] <Dabian> I should probably run MacOS .. except that its unfree.
[01:00] <khermans_> Dabian, feisty works fine
[01:00] <Dabian> I'll wait
[01:00] <khermans_> Dabian, what is your issue?
[01:01] <Dabian> Well, pidgin is not in feisty
[01:01] <Dabian> for some reason I add a source and then upgraded to pidgin, because I thought it was in feisty
[01:01] <Dabian> I very much doubt I can downgrade to gaim easily.
[01:01] <Dabian> Then again, maybe I can ...
[01:02] <Dabian> ahh .. now I remember why I upgrade
[01:02] <Dabian> gaim is very buggy.
[01:05] <Dabian> Idiotic to upgrade to gutsy because of one package :)
[01:05] <Dabian> Well, I have some trouble with emacs also
[01:05] <Dabian> but they are probably unfixed in gutsy :)
[01:06] <Dabian> So upgrading is too early
[02:46] <jussi01> hmmm, is knetwork manager still  broken on tribe2?
[02:46] <jussi01> Hobbsee: poke ?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> jussi01: hiya
[02:47] <Hobbsee> jussi01: shouldnt be
[02:47] <jussi01> seems to be...
[02:47] <jussi01> Hobbsee: its quite diferent to the fiesty one...
[02:48] <Hobbsee> riight
[02:49] <jussi01> anyway, im gonna go back and have a play, see if i missed domething.
[02:50] <Sayers> Tribe 2 is out already?
[02:50] <coNP> Sayers: not yet, scheduled to appear tomorrow
[02:50] <Sayers> ah, I've been missreading everyone today
[02:51] <jussi01> no, tribe 2 is out... i just installed it...
[02:51] <coNP> it is only an early release of the official tribe 2 I guess
[02:51] <jussi01> https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Kubuntu
[02:52] <Sayers> ah yes, Well I am almost done downloading tribe 1
[02:52] <Sayers> can I just upgrade from there?
[02:52] <coNP> Sayers: yep, with rsync
[02:52] <Sayers> never heard of that
[02:53] <jussi01> !rsync
[02:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rsync - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:53] <jussi01> bah
[02:53] <coNP> oh, sorry if you want to upgrade a live system, you can use  "update manager"
[02:53] <jussi01> anyway, im heading back to try figure this out...
[02:53] <Sayers> jussi01: That is for Kubuntu right. I know the end has /kubuntu , but want to be sure
[02:54] <coNP> Sayers: rsync is a tool that downloads only the difference between a downloaded copy and a pbulished file, e.g. a tribe1 iso and a tribe2 iso
[02:54] <coNP> publishe*
[02:54] <jussi01> Sayers: yes
[02:54] <Pici> Sayers: yeah, look at the top right of the page
[03:02] <jussi01> Hobbsee: now i feel stupid...
[03:04] <Hobbsee> jussi01: oh?  what happened?
[03:04] <jussi01> Hobbsee: you dont want to know....
[03:05] <jussi01> Hobbsee: just put it down to stupidity....
[03:05] <Hobbsee> jussi01: sure i do
[03:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:05] <Hobbsee> you can /query if you want
[03:05] <jussi01> huh, /query?
[03:05] <Pici> just tell all of us, we wont use it to judge you.
[03:06] <jussi01> right...
[03:06] <Pici> :p
[03:11] <jussi01> hehe, i like the little touch of telling people which pasword... : ie. [sudo]  password for jussi:
[03:13] <Pici> I liked that too.
[03:14] <jussi01> hmmm... where is it i can choose which panel i want to adjust...? i can see the thing... grr
[03:17] <jussi01> gah
[03:17] <jussi01> where is it...
[03:33] <jussi01> !info flash-nonfree
[03:33] <ubotu> Package flash-nonfree does not exist in gutsy
[03:34] <jussi01> hmmm, what is it that i install?
[03:34] <Pici> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[03:34] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.31.0.4ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 112 kB (Only available for i386)
[03:35] <jussi01> heh.. i always get that mixed up... thanks
[03:36] <Pici> no problem
[03:36] <jussi01> Pici: can you remind me of the java one also?
[03:37] <Pici> !info sun-java6-plugin
[03:37] <ubotu> sun-java6-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB
[03:38] <Pici> or java5
[03:38] <jussi01> thank you :D
[03:50] <jussi01> crud, i hate downloading flash... always takes _so_ long...
[04:24] <Sayers> Uh I don't see any differnce between Feisty and Gusty ?
[04:24] <Sayers> cleaner font
[04:24] <Pici> sigh... take a look aroubd.
[04:24] <Pici> s/b/n
[04:24] <Sayers> I am on KDE
[04:25] <Pici> Oh. I havent used kde in forever
[04:26] <Sayers> I'll just wait till october :)
[04:27] <Sayers> Hm some of the programs are a bit nicer
[05:51] <lucasvo> can someone help me with xgl?
[06:31] <xsacha> woot, adept works again... thx for update to apt
[07:41] <sayers> Can I set Dolphin as my main File Manager?
[07:58] <adrian_> Hi all, wheres the best doc link to sharing files on a home network for novices? I want to share my files between my 2 ubuntu machines on a network that is hooked up to the internet
[08:00] <adrian_> damn, wrong chanel
[08:53] <Dana1> Odd, compiz crashes.
[09:03] <DanaG> oh...kay... it's gtk-window-decorator that's crashing.
[09:08] <DanaG> I can't figure out where it's segfaulting.
[09:17] <DanaG> Odd, if I try to run Compiz under GDB, it freezes my Xorg (except for the mouse) so badly that not even ctrl-alt-backspace works.
[09:20] <Pici> Hmm..
[09:32] <DanaG> compiz.real --replace --sm-disable ccp
[09:32] <DanaG> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[09:32] <DanaG> Of course, I can't get a backtrace because compiz under GDB slaughters Xorg.
[09:46] <DanaG> argh.
[09:48] <coNP> automount does not work for me
[09:49] <coNP> any ideas why
[09:49] <coNP> I never disabled it, but did a lots ot upgrades (feisty -> gutsy ... -> gutsy ... )
[09:53] <Adlai> on the new CD, X won't start on my machine
[09:54] <Adlai> I have a dell laptop with a radeon x1400 and a 1680x1050 screen
[09:54] <Adlai> it says it can't find a suitable mode
[09:54] <Adlai> bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/122663
[09:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122663 in xorg "X fails to start on gutsy live CD (radeon x1400), even in safe graphics mode" [Undecided,New] 
[10:32] <Adlai> the manual partitioner fails also (ubiquity just hangs)
[10:32] <Adlai> but it works fine in --debug mode
[10:35] <DanaG> one bug I have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[10:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 
[12:04] <DanaG> Oh, I see: the official Gutsy compiz is broken in some ways.
[12:05] <roe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/Status says that tribe 2 has been released, but  I can't find the iso anywhere, any ideas?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> roe: i dont think tribe 2 has been pushed yet
[12:08] <roe> the wiki says it's available, or is that just refering to the dailys?
[12:09] <pwnguin> its seems that if you don't autoremove immediately, you can lose that information
[12:20] <gnomefreak> roe: it says that because the wiki is made before release they will add the ISOs to those links when its done