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| dick-richardson | Will we be able to install gutsy on a nokia n800? | 03:16 |
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| Tm_T | eh | 03:17 |
| gnomefreak | dick-richardson: too early to know | 03:17 |
| Pici | I havent heard anything about people testing gutsy or even starting to test gutsy on portable devices. | 03:17 |
| Pici | or what gnomefreak said. | 03:17 |
| gnomefreak | we hav ea moble team but i havent asked yet and i think everyone is working on the important things at this time | 03:18 |
| dick-richardson | Only makes sense | 03:19 |
| gnomefreak | Pici: you on gutsy? | 03:19 |
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| Pici | gnomefreak: Yes. | 03:19 |
| Pici | I'm free. | 03:19 |
| gnomefreak | Pici: can you open system>appearance | 03:19 |
| Pici | gnomefreak: opening | 03:20 |
| gnomefreak | Pici: let me know if it loads the full thing | 03:20 |
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| gnomefreak | try to change tabs once its loaded if it loads | 03:20 |
| Pici | gnomefreak: Seems to work fine | 03:20 |
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| gnomefreak | Pici: do you have gnome-themes-extras installed? | 03:21 |
| Pici | gnomefreak: Yes. | 03:21 |
| gnomefreak | your not using nvidia are you | 03:21 |
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| Pici | fglrx with an ati card | 03:22 |
| gnomefreak | Pici: ty | 03:22 |
| Pici | gnomefreak: no problem | 03:22 |
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| Sayers | Is Gusty in a semi-usable state? | 03:23 |
| Pici | Hm. Tricky question. | 03:24 |
| gnomefreak | not unless you can fix anything that breaks | 03:25 |
| gnomefreak | atm its mainly devels that are testing it everyone else should wait a bit longer | 03:25 |
| gnomefreak | Sayers: some cant boot to gutsy at all some can so is it semi usable i would have to say no because you might be one that cant boot | 03:26 |
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| gnomefreak | Sayers: you have kde4 on feisty so if that is your reason dont do it. btw gutsy wont have kde4 default only bits and peices of it as feisty does | 03:27 |
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| T-Connection | Can I get the new stuff that is from the beta onto the 7.04? | 03:57 |
| RAOF | Not without breaking your system. | 03:58 |
| RAOF | Or, at least, potentially breaking your system. | 03:58 |
| T-Connection | Ok I understand. XD | 03:58 |
| T-Connection | Going now. | 03:59 |
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| RAOF | (For values of "break" up to and including "must reinstall from cd" :)) | 03:59 |
| Pici | oh well. | 03:59 |
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| Sayers | Then what will be so great about gusty? | 04:14 |
| wfarr | Lots | 04:14 |
| Sayers | wfarr: Like? | 04:15 |
| RAOF | compiz-by-default, new gnome, better restricted-manager, xorg 7.3 (hopefully), XRandR 1.2 (so monitor hotplugging, yay!) | 04:15 |
| wfarr | ... you want me to enumerate all the planned features of an entire OS? | 04:15 |
| === wfarr shudders at the thought of all that typing | ||
| Sayers | wfarr: A link would work | 04:17 |
| tritium | compiz-by-default might not necessarily be something I will like | 04:17 |
| wfarr | tritium, bah you folks with your old-fashioned non-composite window manager | 04:17 |
| wfarr | s | 04:17 |
| wfarr | :P | 04:17 |
| tritium | wfarr: pfft | 04:17 |
| Sayers | Not untill it works perfectly with everything and is very low usage on hardware | 04:18 |
| wfarr | Sayers, it will never work with everything | 04:18 |
| RAOF | Well, that's never going to happen. | 04:18 |
| wfarr | because not everything supports 3d | 04:18 |
| wfarr | or tfp | 04:18 |
| wfarr | etc etc | 04:18 |
| wfarr | the list goes on for ages | 04:18 |
| RAOF | But you can enable it by default on hardware that supports it. | 04:18 |
| wfarr | Yup | 04:18 |
| RAOF | And on that hardware it speeds things up. | 04:19 |
| wfarr | and since 99% of PCs made within the last 4-5 years _can_ run it... | 04:19 |
| RAOF | (Unless you go crazy with the effects) | 04:19 |
| wfarr | well not 99, maybe, but really really high | 04:19 |
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| wfarr | even this 5-year old laptop can run it peachy keen | 04:19 |
| Sayers | wfarr: Well is it forced or defualt? | 04:19 |
| RAOF | What would "forced" mean? | 04:20 |
| Sayers | You can't switch to normal | 04:20 |
| RAOF | No, of course not. | 04:20 |
| wfarr | It's by default. You can disable it by opening up desktop-effects and unticking it. | 04:20 |
| Sayers | Fair enough. Do the features outweigh the bugs at the moment. I'd love to switch | 04:20 |
| RAOF | "forced" would requrie it to work on everything. | 04:21 |
| wfarr | .... of course they do | 04:21 |
| RAOF | Yes. Absolutely. | 04:21 |
| wfarr | why else would Ubuntu be installing it by default? XD | 04:21 |
| Sayers | So It is worth trying out :D :D? | 04:21 |
| wfarr | "Hum - completely unstable. Welp, why not!" XD | 04:21 |
| wfarr | of course it is | 04:21 |
| wfarr | if you wait a few days, Tribe 2 should be out | 04:21 |
| wfarr | and if your hardware supports it, even the LiveCD will have Desktop Effects working | 04:22 |
| RAOF | IIRC, Suse enables it by default. Or very nearly. | 04:22 |
| RAOF | wfarr: Yeah. The livecd looks good on a laptop with an radeon 9100 mobile :) | 04:22 |
| wfarr | hehe | 04:22 |
| wfarr | I'd kill for a 9100 | 04:22 |
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| Sayers | well I loved using Edgy when Sarge was out | 04:22 |
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| bonbonthejon | are other people having problems with the newest network-manager / knetworkmanager | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: what problems? and which n-m/knm? | 04:29 |
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: | 04:29 |
| Sayers | grr the download would take hours ;d | 04:30 |
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: earlier I knetworkmanager could see my network card and list my network but took a long time to connect to one, now the most recent one doesn't list my network card | 04:30 |
| RAOF | bonbonthejon: Does anything see your network card? (ie: ifconfig, iwconfig, etc?) | 04:31 |
| bonbonthejon | RAOF: yes, ifconfig works, I wrote a script earlier that connects me (how I am on here now), but knetworkmanager sees nothing | 04:31 |
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| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: doesnt see your wifi at all, or just no netwroks? | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: and did it in feisty? | 04:32 |
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: gutsy up-to-date, and there is no spot for the wifi like before | 04:32 |
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| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: that's weird... | 04:33 |
| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: i suppose moving knetworkmanagerrc out of the way does nothing? | 04:33 |
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: I've been having problems with wifi, but for a while it was working | 04:33 |
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: details, I'm willing to try it | 04:33 |
| Hobbsee | mmm. might be worth trying it | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | it was a bad merge - it was supposed to be broken, and then fixed for tribe 2 | 04:34 |
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: like i said, it was working this morning, then the updates during the day messed it up | 04:35 |
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: how can I move knetworkmanagerrc? where is it? | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: locate knetworkmanagerrc :) | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: and mornings and afternoons mean nothing to me. | 04:35 |
| === Hobbsee checks....you'r ein the US or somethign? | ||
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: yeah, US. The updates to networkmanager in the past 24 hours did it | 04:37 |
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| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: ok, heres a question: does networkmanager not play well with ndiswrapper | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: correct. well, depends on how pesky ndiswrapper is, and what in particular card you're using with ndiswrapper | 04:38 |
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: that might be one problem. I've tried using the bcm43xx driver, but it wouldn't work, so I went with ndiswrapper | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | well, if it's bcm43xx.... | 04:40 |
| bonbonthejon | ...? | 04:42 |
| === DanaG wishes Compiz had a 2D mode -- as in, disable most effects, but don't just switch to Metacity because then I lose where my windows are. | ||
| DanaG | I'd want it to keep everything in the same relative places, but simplify enough to leave GPU in low-power mode. | 04:48 |
| wfarr | DanaG, you can just disable everything except for like Plane plugin | 04:48 |
| wfarr | =p | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: they're known for being evil cards. | 04:48 |
| DanaG | BUt I'd want it to dynamically switch based on power state. | 04:48 |
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: yeah. I have an atheros card, but its pcmcia and my laptop only has ExpressCard | 04:49 |
| === wfarr shrugs | ||
| wfarr | you can always file a feature-request for it | 04:49 |
| RAOF | DanaG: That'd probably be quite simple, actually. We'd ship a "powersave" profile, and switch to it based on power level? | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 04:50 |
| wfarr | RAOF, that'd work, yeah | 04:50 |
| === Hobbsee wishes she could find this webpage again | ||
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| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: and, as I haven't found too many ExpressCard wifi, I'm stuck with broadcom | 04:51 |
| wfarr | but... I think this might be something that would really be a good idea to have in the core package, because I'm sure it'd be rather useful in a lot of cases | 04:51 |
| DanaG | But I'd want to preserve the relative layout of the 2D things -- for example, a window hanging on cube 4-1 would be on flat 4-1. | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: yeah, i know your pain :( | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | bonbonthejon: i cant use my atheros card here either | 04:51 |
| DanaG | I found a PCIe Asus card -- but it's not Expesscard either. Too bad ExpressCard->{Cardbus,PCIe} adapters are so ludicrously expensive. | 04:52 |
| bonbonthejon | Hobbsee: I love madwifi with my atheros card on my old laptop, but broadcom stinks, my card is supposedly supported but it never worked | 04:52 |
| RAOF | DanaG: That would be more difficult (if you mean switching to metacity), I believe. | 04:52 |
| DanaG | Then I mean switching compiz profiles. | 04:52 |
| RAOF | Oh, then it should work just fine. | 04:52 |
| DanaG | Gateway actually still uses Cardbus, and not ExpressCard. For a while, HP had both, but now they only have the latter. | 04:53 |
| bonbonthejon | DanaG: yup, new HP | 04:54 |
| DanaG | DV8000 and DV5000 were the old ones. Now they're 9000 and 6000, respectively. | 04:54 |
| RAOF | DanaG: Actually, you could probably add that support into gnome-power-manager. Hm... | 04:54 |
| DanaG | The best thing I did to my laptop was to put little rubber feat on the rear bottom of my laptop. | 04:55 |
| DanaG | I got them off some old SCSI CD tower. | 04:55 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, now HP offers a 17" with choice of Intel IGP or NVIDIA 8400 or 8600. | 04:57 |
| DanaG | That's a Santa Rosa one. | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | yay, found the webpage i wanted. | 04:59 |
| RAOF | Which one? | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | https://www.fsfe.org/en/fellows/greve/freedom_bits/authenticating_ssh_logins_with_the_fellowship_crypto_card | 04:59 |
| === DanaG wonders what he can do with | ||
| DanaG | !info trousers | 05:00 |
| ubotu | trousers: An open-source TCG Software Stack (TSS). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9.1-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 460 kB, installed size 744 kB | 05:00 |
| DanaG | besides joking about the name. | 05:00 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: Cool. | 05:02 |
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| jriachi | hello | 05:29 |
| bonbonthejon | hi | 05:30 |
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| jriachi | this bug is kde-relatated | 05:30 |
| bonbonthejon | jriachi: ok | 05:30 |
| jriachi | when i right-click on the desktop and choose configure->behaviour->device icons->show device icons... nothing happens | 05:31 |
| bonbonthejon | jriachi: mine toggles the checkbox, is that what you mean? | 05:32 |
| jriachi | i mean, checkit and click apply | 05:32 |
| bonbonthejon | jriachi: where should i chek | 05:33 |
| jriachi | (one second... because now i cant get the device icons to dissapear :S) | 05:33 |
| jriachi | i'll start a new user, be back in a few seconds | 05:34 |
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| jriachi | i'm back :) | 05:37 |
| bonbonthejon | jriachi: ok. what you got? | 05:37 |
| jriachi | we were in behaviour->device icons, right? | 05:38 |
| bonbonthejon | jriachi: yeah | 05:38 |
| bonbonthejon | jriachi: i disabled the box, then plugged in my ipod and the icon popped up. Is that not right? | 05:38 |
| jriachi | in my new user, the "show device icons" is unchecked by default, when i check it, and check show hard disks... and apply.. no device icon appear on my desktop :S | 05:39 |
| bonbonthejon | jriachi: i disabled it and my ipod showed up on the desktop. You might as well file a bug report; can't hurt anything | 05:40 |
| jriachi | ok, i'll try to describe that (it is hard to get device icons on the desktop, but it is harder no remove them :) ) | 05:44 |
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| jriachi | I made a nice video record of the bug :D | 06:05 |
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| foose12 | !slackware | 06:16 |
| ubotu | Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems) | 06:16 |
| foose12 | !fedora | 06:16 |
| DanaG | !botcookie | 06:16 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about botcookie - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 06:16 |
| DanaG | !botsnack | 06:16 |
| ubotu | Yum! Err, I mean, APT! | 06:16 |
| DanaG | !yum | 06:17 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about yum - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 06:17 |
| DanaG | heh. | 06:17 |
| foose12 | sorry, i have to do this...:) | 06:17 |
| foose12 | !yer mom | 06:18 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about yer mom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | !msgthebot | 06:18 |
| ubotu | Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... | 06:18 |
| jriachi | http://nethen.org/misc/ubuntu/ bug-device-icons.theora.ogm (for bored people, wanting to see 2 minutes of a bug, my poor english level, my poor typography, or all of them :) ) | 06:22 |
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| foose12 | !bot | 06:44 |
| ubotu | I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 06:44 |
| foose12 | ubotu:thank you | 06:44 |
| ubotu | You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) | 06:44 |
| foose12 | ubotu:lol | 06:44 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 06:44 |
| foose12 | ubotu:look it up on google | 06:45 |
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| KrakensDen | hi, hald-addon-storage is constantly polling my cdrom drive, and I'd like to make the noise stop :). Any ideas? | 07:36 |
| Amaranth | KrakensDen: heh, didn't we just work all this out? | 07:37 |
| Amaranth | KrakensDen: you can file a bug but hal-addon-storage is probably going to keep doing the same thing, it's useful | 07:37 |
| KrakensDen | Amaranth, yes, now I'm asking for a solution ;) | 07:37 |
| Amaranth | sudo killall hal-addon-storage | 07:37 |
| KrakensDen | Amaranth, but then: it happens again when I reboot | 07:38 |
| Amaranth | yep | 07:38 |
| KrakensDen | besides, I don't object to polling | 07:39 |
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| KrakensDen | I object to noisy polling | 07:39 |
| KrakensDen | and it does indeed make a loud noise | 07:39 |
| KrakensDen | Amaranth, plus, it doesn't work :P | 07:40 |
| KrakensDen | Amaranth, process gone, polling, not | 07:40 |
| KrakensDen | and hal doesn't seem to have an entry in init.d | 07:40 |
| Amaranth | hal is started by dbus | 07:40 |
| KrakensDen | I love dbus- when I don't have to interact with it | 07:41 |
| Amaranth | you don't want to stop hal | 07:41 |
| Amaranth | your desktop will probably crash :P | 07:41 |
| KrakensDen | I've done it before, it deals pretty well. Basically your hardware applets stop working | 07:41 |
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| KrakensDen | aaand... restarting dbus does it | 07:44 |
| shirish | guys I had installed unifont as well as unifont-bin & now get stuck at X.org | 07:44 |
| KrakensDen | nevermind | 07:44 |
| shirish | I was able to go to 2.6.22 & use recover & startx from there | 07:44 |
| shirish | here is the X.org.log file if that can give you guys some idea why is it not starting | 07:45 |
| shirish | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27371/ | 07:45 |
| shirish | lemme know if I need to do something more. | 07:45 |
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| KrakensDen | strace says hald is just doing this: open("/sys/block/dm-0/range", ... over and over again :/ | 07:50 |
| KrakensDen | which is wierd | 07:50 |
| KrakensDen | because there is no dm-0 file in /sys/block | 07:51 |
| KrakensDen | s/file/folder | 07:51 |
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| KrakensDen | Amaranth, looks like it might be evm, which starts up even though it's disable in services-config | 08:19 |
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| KrakensDen | Amaranth, and removing it 'fixes' the problem, in case you see someone else come in with that some day :) | 08:20 |
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| Hobbsee | *** gutsy cd testers needed **** | 09:23 |
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| Adlai | Hobbsee, I'll test a cd | 09:30 |
| Adlai | what do you need | 09:30 |
| Hobbsee | Adlai: you prefer ubuntu? | 09:30 |
| Adlai | depends what it's being compared to | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | as opposed to kubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu | 09:31 |
| Adlai | oh | 09:31 |
| Adlai | I really don't have a preference | 09:31 |
| Adlai | not a consistent one, anyway | 09:31 |
| === Hobbsee asks what pitti wants tested the msot | ||
| Adlai | while you're waiting for a response, what's required for the test? | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | Adlai: https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Ubuntu | 09:32 |
| Adlai | sweet | 09:32 |
| Adlai | desktop, or does it matter? | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | Adlai: that check cd works, the live cd part works, that your particular choice of partitioning works | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | Adlai: desktop is quicker. | 09:33 |
| Adlai | k | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | Adlai: pick one that someone else hasnt done, basically :) | 09:33 |
| Adlai | gotcha | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | check if compiz dies | 09:33 |
| Adlai | hmmmmm | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | [17:23] <pitti> Hobbsee: I did test installs yesterday and there were quite a lot of bugs; I need to talk to mvo and cjwatson_ | 09:34 |
| Adlai | does it matter that I have a radeon x1400? | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | [17:23] <pitti> Hobbsee: so for Ubuntu we might need an update at least | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | [17:24] <pitti> Hobbsee: ubiquity hanging eternally on manual partitioning, hanging session splash, no shutdown dialog, and other people had lots and lots of crashes with compiz | 09:34 |
| Adlai | it will need to run on xgl, not aiglx, basically | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | no. even better | 09:34 |
| Adlai | okay, cool | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | it should all "just work" | 09:34 |
| Adlai | understood | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | [17:33] <pitti> Hobbsee: and booting the live system will already test the compiz stuff we're interested in; ubiquity tests cannot hurt, too | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | [17:33] * pitti is going to look into his bugs from yesterday in more detail | 09:34 |
| === Hobbsee --> afk for a bit | ||
| Adlai | where do I download the image? | 09:36 |
| Adlai | oh never mind | 09:36 |
| crimsun | https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ | 09:38 |
| coNP | Hey Hobbsee! I was too late, dholbach fixed Inkscape :) | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | coNP: oh well :) | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | coNP: btw, stevenk said that he'd help you out with openbox, and upload it to debian, if you wanted | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | he's on his way home | 09:41 |
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| coNP | cool Hobbsee, many thanks | 09:42 |
| coNP | Mithrandir said he dropped Openbox in Debian as well... | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | coNP: i suggest you adopt it, then | 09:43 |
| coNP | can I adopt it without being a DD? | 09:43 |
| RAOF | Yup, you'll just need to find sponsors for your uploads. | 09:46 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 09:46 |
| coNP | Do you know if stevenk is a DD, BTW? | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | he is | 09:49 |
| coNP | Okay then he might sponsor me | 09:49 |
| RAOF | He's hopefully sponsoring my specto upload :) | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | i asked him to and he said yes, so... | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 09:49 |
| === coNP has found himself trapped in an inference loop... | ||
| Hobbsee | hm? | 09:52 |
| coNP | A => B and B => C, and I asked if C => A | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 09:53 |
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| bonniot | hi. i'm trying to setup a mixed feisty/gutsy setup (using pinning), to be able to upgrade some packages, but cannot get it to work (some packages would be upgraded when they shouldn't, and -t gutsy still doesn't work). is this documented somewhere, or can somebody help? | 10:02 |
| === coNP suggests to run either the old fawn or the new gibbon, if possiblit is e | ||
| coNP | I mean "if it is possible" | 10:03 |
| RAOF | If I wanted some of the new packages from Gusty, but didn't want to run Gutsy, I'd apt-get source them and pbuilder them for Feisty. | 10:03 |
| RAOF | If you were to try pinning, some of them will almost certainly depend on the new libc, and there's no guarantee that apt/dpkg/whatever will work with a different version of libc. | 10:06 |
| bonniot | right, i see it's a risk. although it's still libc6 2.5 | 10:10 |
| bonniot | fyi, i changed my gutsy source to a different mirror, updated, and now things seem to go as expected. weird | 10:11 |
| compengi | is there a way i can right a pdf text? | 10:26 |
| RAOF | Openoffice | 10:27 |
| compengi | then save as pdf? | 10:27 |
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| RAOF | Indeed. | 10:28 |
| compengi | RAOF, i don't see in save as option to able to save it as .pdf | 10:30 |
| RAOF | Export to PDF? | 10:30 |
| compengi | RAOF, thanks it worked | 10:34 |
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| Dabian | How do I install????????????? | 12:38 |
| khermans_ | download, burn, boot | 12:38 |
| Dabian | No sorry | 12:39 |
| Dabian | How upgrade from fiersty? | 12:39 |
| Dabian | (+ dumb stuf english grammar requires) | 12:40 |
| Dabian | khermans_: Please help me a lot!!!! | 12:42 |
| khermans_ | Dabian, how to upgrade? | 12:42 |
| Dabian | Yes | 12:42 |
| Dabian | I have feisty fawns | 12:42 |
| Dabian | I wants ubotu+1 | 12:42 |
| khermans_ | Dabian, | 12:43 |
| khermans_ | http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading | 12:43 |
| Dabian | tnx | 12:43 |
| Dabian | *hug* | 12:43 |
| crdlb | If you don't know how, or how to find out, you shouldn't be doing it | 12:43 |
| khermans_ | well, just replace all instances of feisty with gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list | 12:43 |
| khermans_ | Dabian, crdlb makes a good point | 12:43 |
| khermans_ | you will break something | 12:43 |
| Dabian | I have good expirience with ubuntu+1 when I upgrade to feisty fawns | 12:44 |
| Dabian | How can I help test guysy? | 12:45 |
| Dabian | gutsy | 12:45 |
| Dabian | Whats very broken right now? | 12:46 |
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| Dabian | (I cannot read the topic) | 12:49 |
| Dabian | oh .. now I can | 12:49 |
| Dabian | khermans_: apt-get -u dist-upgrade ? | 12:49 |
| khermans_ | Dabian, sudo aptitude update | 12:50 |
| khermans_ | Dabian, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade | 12:50 |
| Dabian | In screen :) | 12:50 |
| khermans_ | you may need to run it a few times | 12:50 |
| khermans_ | sometimes it breaks.. | 12:50 |
| Dabian | Right .. there is always errors | 12:50 |
| Dabian | Even if released, right? | 12:51 |
| Dabian | From CD is easier .. but I will try aptitude upgrade :) | 12:51 |
| Dabian | When everything is broken, I come back, and you help me, ok? :) | 12:53 |
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| Dabian | Btw. should I make notes about problems with the upgrade? | 12:56 |
| Dabian | Hmm | 12:57 |
| Dabian | wait | 12:57 |
| Dabian | 4 month is a long time .. | 12:57 |
| Dabian | Is there a backport instead? | 12:57 |
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| Dabian | crdlb: Come to think about it, you have a good point. | 12:59 |
| Dabian | khermans_: You're right, I get too easy annoyed for gutsy. | 01:00 |
| Dabian | I want stuff to just work | 01:00 |
| khermans_ | then dont use gusty | 01:00 |
| Dabian | I should probably run MacOS .. except that its unfree. | 01:00 |
| khermans_ | Dabian, feisty works fine | 01:00 |
| Dabian | I'll wait | 01:00 |
| khermans_ | Dabian, what is your issue? | 01:00 |
| Dabian | Well, pidgin is not in feisty | 01:01 |
| Dabian | for some reason I add a source and then upgraded to pidgin, because I thought it was in feisty | 01:01 |
| Dabian | I very much doubt I can downgrade to gaim easily. | 01:01 |
| Dabian | Then again, maybe I can ... | 01:01 |
| Dabian | ahh .. now I remember why I upgrade | 01:02 |
| Dabian | gaim is very buggy. | 01:02 |
| Dabian | Idiotic to upgrade to gutsy because of one package :) | 01:05 |
| Dabian | Well, I have some trouble with emacs also | 01:05 |
| Dabian | but they are probably unfixed in gutsy :) | 01:05 |
| Dabian | So upgrading is too early | 01:06 |
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| jussi01 | hmmm, is knetwork manager still broken on tribe2? | 02:46 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: poke ? | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: hiya | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: shouldnt be | 02:47 |
| jussi01 | seems to be... | 02:47 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: its quite diferent to the fiesty one... | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | riight | 02:48 |
| jussi01 | anyway, im gonna go back and have a play, see if i missed domething. | 02:49 |
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| Sayers | Tribe 2 is out already? | 02:50 |
| coNP | Sayers: not yet, scheduled to appear tomorrow | 02:50 |
| Sayers | ah, I've been missreading everyone today | 02:50 |
| jussi01 | no, tribe 2 is out... i just installed it... | 02:51 |
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| coNP | it is only an early release of the official tribe 2 I guess | 02:51 |
| jussi01 | https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Kubuntu | 02:51 |
| Sayers | ah yes, Well I am almost done downloading tribe 1 | 02:52 |
| Sayers | can I just upgrade from there? | 02:52 |
| coNP | Sayers: yep, with rsync | 02:52 |
| Sayers | never heard of that | 02:52 |
| jussi01 | !rsync | 02:53 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about rsync - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 02:53 |
| jussi01 | bah | 02:53 |
| coNP | oh, sorry if you want to upgrade a live system, you can use "update manager" | 02:53 |
| jussi01 | anyway, im heading back to try figure this out... | 02:53 |
| Sayers | jussi01: That is for Kubuntu right. I know the end has /kubuntu , but want to be sure | 02:53 |
| coNP | Sayers: rsync is a tool that downloads only the difference between a downloaded copy and a pbulished file, e.g. a tribe1 iso and a tribe2 iso | 02:54 |
| coNP | publishe* | 02:54 |
| jussi01 | Sayers: yes | 02:54 |
| Pici | Sayers: yeah, look at the top right of the page | 02:54 |
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| jussi01 | Hobbsee: now i feel stupid... | 03:02 |
| === jussi01 is now on gutsy | ||
| Hobbsee | jussi01: oh? what happened? | 03:04 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: you dont want to know.... | 03:04 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: just put it down to stupidity.... | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: sure i do | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | you can /query if you want | 03:05 |
| jussi01 | huh, /query? | 03:05 |
| Pici | just tell all of us, we wont use it to judge you. | 03:05 |
| jussi01 | right... | 03:06 |
| Pici | :p | 03:06 |
| jussi01 | hehe, i like the little touch of telling people which pasword... : ie. [sudo] password for jussi: | 03:11 |
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| Pici | I liked that too. | 03:13 |
| jussi01 | hmmm... where is it i can choose which panel i want to adjust...? i can see the thing... grr | 03:14 |
| jussi01 | gah | 03:17 |
| jussi01 | where is it... | 03:17 |
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| jussi01 | !info flash-nonfree | 03:33 |
| ubotu | Package flash-nonfree does not exist in gutsy | 03:33 |
| jussi01 | hmmm, what is it that i install? | 03:34 |
| Pici | !info flashplugin-nonfree | 03:34 |
| ubotu | flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.31.0.4ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 112 kB (Only available for i386) | 03:34 |
| jussi01 | heh.. i always get that mixed up... thanks | 03:35 |
| Pici | no problem | 03:36 |
| jussi01 | Pici: can you remind me of the java one also? | 03:36 |
| Pici | !info sun-java6-plugin | 03:37 |
| ubotu | sun-java6-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB | 03:37 |
| Pici | or java5 | 03:38 |
| jussi01 | thank you :D | 03:38 |
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| jussi01 | crud, i hate downloading flash... always takes _so_ long... | 03:50 |
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| Sayers | Uh I don't see any differnce between Feisty and Gusty ? | 04:24 |
| Sayers | cleaner font | 04:24 |
| Pici | sigh... take a look aroubd. | 04:24 |
| Pici | s/b/n | 04:24 |
| Sayers | I am on KDE | 04:24 |
| Pici | Oh. I havent used kde in forever | 04:25 |
| Sayers | I'll just wait till october :) | 04:26 |
| Sayers | Hm some of the programs are a bit nicer | 04:27 |
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| lucasvo | can someone help me with xgl? | 05:51 |
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| xsacha | woot, adept works again... thx for update to apt | 06:31 |
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| sayers | Can I set Dolphin as my main File Manager? | 07:41 |
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| adrian_ | Hi all, wheres the best doc link to sharing files on a home network for novices? I want to share my files between my 2 ubuntu machines on a network that is hooked up to the internet | 07:58 |
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| adrian_ | damn, wrong chanel | 08:00 |
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| Dana1 | Odd, compiz crashes. | 08:53 |
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| DanaG | oh...kay... it's gtk-window-decorator that's crashing. | 09:03 |
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| DanaG | I can't figure out where it's segfaulting. | 09:08 |
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| DanaG | Odd, if I try to run Compiz under GDB, it freezes my Xorg (except for the mouse) so badly that not even ctrl-alt-backspace works. | 09:17 |
| Pici | Hmm.. | 09:20 |
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| DanaG | compiz.real --replace --sm-disable ccp | 09:32 |
| DanaG | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 09:32 |
| DanaG | Of course, I can't get a backtrace because compiz under GDB slaughters Xorg. | 09:32 |
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| DanaG | argh. | 09:46 |
| coNP | automount does not work for me | 09:48 |
| coNP | any ideas why | 09:49 |
| coNP | I never disabled it, but did a lots ot upgrades (feisty -> gutsy ... -> gutsy ... ) | 09:49 |
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| Adlai | on the new CD, X won't start on my machine | 09:53 |
| Adlai | I have a dell laptop with a radeon x1400 and a 1680x1050 screen | 09:54 |
| Adlai | it says it can't find a suitable mode | 09:54 |
| Adlai | bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/122663 | 09:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 122663 in xorg "X fails to start on gutsy live CD (radeon x1400), even in safe graphics mode" [Undecided,New] | 09:54 |
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| Adlai | the manual partitioner fails also (ubiquity just hangs) | 10:32 |
| Adlai | but it works fine in --debug mode | 10:32 |
| DanaG | one bug I have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833 | 10:35 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] | 10:35 |
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| DanaG | Oh, I see: the official Gutsy compiz is broken in some ways. | 12:04 |
| roe | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/Status says that tribe 2 has been released, but I can't find the iso anywhere, any ideas? | 12:05 |
| gnomefreak | roe: i dont think tribe 2 has been pushed yet | 12:07 |
| roe | the wiki says it's available, or is that just refering to the dailys? | 12:08 |
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| pwnguin | its seems that if you don't autoremove immediately, you can lose that information | 12:09 |
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| gnomefreak | roe: it says that because the wiki is made before release they will add the ISOs to those links when its done | 12:20 |
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