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[03:17] eh [03:17] dick-richardson: too early to know [03:17] I havent heard anything about people testing gutsy or even starting to test gutsy on portable devices. [03:17] or what gnomefreak said. [03:18] we hav ea moble team but i havent asked yet and i think everyone is working on the important things at this time [03:19] Only makes sense [03:19] Pici: you on gutsy? === gnomefreak needs a tester for 30 seconds [03:19] gnomefreak: Yes. [03:19] I'm free. [03:19] Pici: can you open system>appearance [03:20] gnomefreak: opening [03:20] Pici: let me know if it loads the full thing === vlowther [n=vlowther@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:20] try to change tabs once its loaded if it loads [03:20] gnomefreak: Seems to work fine === gnomefreak doesnt think it will fully load [03:21] Pici: do you have gnome-themes-extras installed? [03:21] gnomefreak: Yes. [03:21] your not using nvidia are you === dick-richardson [n=user@host-97-128-220-24.midco.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [03:22] fglrx with an ati card [03:22] Pici: ty [03:22] gnomefreak: no problem === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-224-111-92.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === gnomefreak will fudge with it in morning === Sayers [n=sayers@76.20.133.246] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:23] Is Gusty in a semi-usable state? [03:24] Hm. Tricky question. [03:25] not unless you can fix anything that breaks [03:25] atm its mainly devels that are testing it everyone else should wait a bit longer [03:26] Sayers: some cant boot to gutsy at all some can so is it semi usable i would have to say no because you might be one that cant boot === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-59-129.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:27] Sayers: you have kde4 on feisty so if that is your reason dont do it. btw gutsy wont have kde4 default only bits and peices of it as feisty does === T-Connection [n=chatzill@adsl-65-68-206-97.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-59-129.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-59-129.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:57] Can I get the new stuff that is from the beta onto the 7.04? [03:58] Not without breaking your system. [03:58] Or, at least, potentially breaking your system. [03:58] Ok I understand. XD [03:59] Going now. === T-Connection [n=chatzill@adsl-65-68-206-97.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [03:59] (For values of "break" up to and including "must reinstall from cd" :)) [03:59] oh well. === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === TheGoodShepherd [n=lollersk@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === eMaX [n=emax@99.38.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:14] Then what will be so great about gusty? [04:14] Lots [04:15] wfarr: Like? [04:15] compiz-by-default, new gnome, better restricted-manager, xorg 7.3 (hopefully), XRandR 1.2 (so monitor hotplugging, yay!) [04:15] ... you want me to enumerate all the planned features of an entire OS? === wfarr shudders at the thought of all that typing [04:17] wfarr: A link would work [04:17] compiz-by-default might not necessarily be something I will like [04:17] tritium, bah you folks with your old-fashioned non-composite window manager [04:17] s [04:17] :P [04:17] wfarr: pfft [04:18] Not untill it works perfectly with everything and is very low usage on hardware [04:18] Sayers, it will never work with everything [04:18] Well, that's never going to happen. [04:18] because not everything supports 3d [04:18] or tfp [04:18] etc etc [04:18] the list goes on for ages [04:18] But you can enable it by default on hardware that supports it. [04:18] Yup [04:19] And on that hardware it speeds things up. [04:19] and since 99% of PCs made within the last 4-5 years _can_ run it... [04:19] (Unless you go crazy with the effects) [04:19] well not 99, maybe, but really really high === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:19] even this 5-year old laptop can run it peachy keen [04:19] wfarr: Well is it forced or defualt? [04:20] What would "forced" mean? [04:20] You can't switch to normal [04:20] No, of course not. [04:20] It's by default. You can disable it by opening up desktop-effects and unticking it. [04:20] Fair enough. Do the features outweigh the bugs at the moment. I'd love to switch [04:21] "forced" would requrie it to work on everything. [04:21] .... of course they do [04:21] Yes. Absolutely. [04:21] why else would Ubuntu be installing it by default? XD [04:21] So It is worth trying out :D :D? [04:21] "Hum - completely unstable. Welp, why not!" XD [04:21] of course it is [04:21] if you wait a few days, Tribe 2 should be out [04:22] and if your hardware supports it, even the LiveCD will have Desktop Effects working [04:22] IIRC, Suse enables it by default. Or very nearly. [04:22] wfarr: Yeah. The livecd looks good on a laptop with an radeon 9100 mobile :) [04:22] hehe [04:22] I'd kill for a 9100 === wfarr eyes his 7500 [04:22] well I loved using Edgy when Sarge was out === asubedi [n=fjord@c-68-34-217-147.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-28-155.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bonbonthejon [n=jon@cpe-69-133-37-32.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:26] are other people having problems with the newest network-manager / knetworkmanager [04:29] bonbonthejon: what problems? and which n-m/knm? [04:29] Hobbsee: [04:30] grr the download would take hours ;d [04:30] Hobbsee: earlier I knetworkmanager could see my network card and list my network but took a long time to connect to one, now the most recent one doesn't list my network card [04:31] bonbonthejon: Does anything see your network card? (ie: ifconfig, iwconfig, etc?) [04:31] RAOF: yes, ifconfig works, I wrote a script earlier that connects me (how I am on here now), but knetworkmanager sees nothing === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-28-155.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:32] bonbonthejon: doesnt see your wifi at all, or just no netwroks? [04:32] bonbonthejon: and did it in feisty? [04:32] Hobbsee: gutsy up-to-date, and there is no spot for the wifi like before === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-133-184.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [04:33] bonbonthejon: that's weird... [04:33] bonbonthejon: i suppose moving knetworkmanagerrc out of the way does nothing? [04:33] Hobbsee: I've been having problems with wifi, but for a while it was working [04:33] Hobbsee: details, I'm willing to try it [04:34] mmm. might be worth trying it [04:34] it was a bad merge - it was supposed to be broken, and then fixed for tribe 2 [04:35] Hobbsee: like i said, it was working this morning, then the updates during the day messed it up [04:35] Hobbsee: how can I move knetworkmanagerrc? where is it? [04:35] bonbonthejon: locate knetworkmanagerrc :) [04:35] bonbonthejon: and mornings and afternoons mean nothing to me. === Hobbsee checks....you'r ein the US or somethign? [04:37] Hobbsee: yeah, US. The updates to networkmanager in the past 24 hours did it === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-28-155.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:38] Hobbsee: ok, heres a question: does networkmanager not play well with ndiswrapper [04:38] bonbonthejon: correct. well, depends on how pesky ndiswrapper is, and what in particular card you're using with ndiswrapper [04:39] Hobbsee: that might be one problem. I've tried using the bcm43xx driver, but it wouldn't work, so I went with ndiswrapper [04:40] well, if it's bcm43xx.... [04:42] ...? === DanaG wishes Compiz had a 2D mode -- as in, disable most effects, but don't just switch to Metacity because then I lose where my windows are. [04:48] I'd want it to keep everything in the same relative places, but simplify enough to leave GPU in low-power mode. [04:48] DanaG, you can just disable everything except for like Plane plugin [04:48] =p [04:48] bonbonthejon: they're known for being evil cards. [04:48] BUt I'd want it to dynamically switch based on power state. [04:49] Hobbsee: yeah. I have an atheros card, but its pcmcia and my laptop only has ExpressCard === wfarr shrugs [04:49] you can always file a feature-request for it [04:50] DanaG: That'd probably be quite simple, actually. We'd ship a "powersave" profile, and switch to it based on power level? [04:50] ahhh [04:50] RAOF, that'd work, yeah === Hobbsee wishes she could find this webpage again === kalpik [n=kalpik@122.162.161.179] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:51] Hobbsee: and, as I haven't found too many ExpressCard wifi, I'm stuck with broadcom [04:51] but... I think this might be something that would really be a good idea to have in the core package, because I'm sure it'd be rather useful in a lot of cases [04:51] But I'd want to preserve the relative layout of the 2D things -- for example, a window hanging on cube 4-1 would be on flat 4-1. [04:51] bonbonthejon: yeah, i know your pain :( [04:51] bonbonthejon: i cant use my atheros card here either [04:52] I found a PCIe Asus card -- but it's not Expesscard either. Too bad ExpressCard->{Cardbus,PCIe} adapters are so ludicrously expensive. [04:52] Hobbsee: I love madwifi with my atheros card on my old laptop, but broadcom stinks, my card is supposedly supported but it never worked [04:52] DanaG: That would be more difficult (if you mean switching to metacity), I believe. [04:52] Then I mean switching compiz profiles. [04:52] Oh, then it should work just fine. [04:53] Gateway actually still uses Cardbus, and not ExpressCard. For a while, HP had both, but now they only have the latter. [04:54] DanaG: yup, new HP [04:54] DV8000 and DV5000 were the old ones. Now they're 9000 and 6000, respectively. [04:54] DanaG: Actually, you could probably add that support into gnome-power-manager. Hm... [04:55] The best thing I did to my laptop was to put little rubber feat on the rear bottom of my laptop. [04:55] I got them off some old SCSI CD tower. [04:57] Oh yeah, now HP offers a 17" with choice of Intel IGP or NVIDIA 8400 or 8600. [04:57] That's a Santa Rosa one. [04:59] yay, found the webpage i wanted. [04:59] Which one? [04:59] https://www.fsfe.org/en/fellows/greve/freedom_bits/authenticating_ssh_logins_with_the_fellowship_crypto_card === DanaG wonders what he can do with [05:00] !info trousers [05:00] trousers: An open-source TCG Software Stack (TSS). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9.1-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 460 kB, installed size 744 kB [05:00] besides joking about the name. [05:02] Hobbsee: Cool. === blenderhead001 [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === blenderhead [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === blenderhead001 [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === johnny__ [n=johnny@kuhstan5fk.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jriachi [n=jriachi@57.Red-213-98-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:29] hello [05:30] hi === foose12 [n=foose@pool-70-106-243-247.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:30] this bug is kde-relatated [05:30] jriachi: ok [05:31] when i right-click on the desktop and choose configure->behaviour->device icons->show device icons... nothing happens [05:32] jriachi: mine toggles the checkbox, is that what you mean? [05:32] i mean, checkit and click apply [05:33] jriachi: where should i chek [05:33] (one second... because now i cant get the device icons to dissapear :S) [05:34] i'll start a new user, be back in a few seconds === jriachi [n=nethen2@57.Red-213-98-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:37] i'm back :) [05:37] jriachi: ok. what you got? [05:38] we were in behaviour->device icons, right? [05:38] jriachi: yeah [05:38] jriachi: i disabled the box, then plugged in my ipod and the icon popped up. Is that not right? [05:39] in my new user, the "show device icons" is unchecked by default, when i check it, and check show hard disks... and apply.. no device icon appear on my desktop :S [05:40] jriachi: i disabled it and my ipod showed up on the desktop. You might as well file a bug report; can't hurt anything [05:44] ok, i'll try to describe that (it is hard to get device icons on the desktop, but it is harder no remove them :) ) === WaltzingAlong [n=krugerk@h75-100-1-88.75-100.unk.tds.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === budluva [n=budluva@S010600179a27a377.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jriachi [n=tester@57.Red-213-98-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:05] I made a nice video record of the bug :D === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p5B15DF73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === budluva_ [n=budluva@S010600179a27a377.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:16] !slackware [06:16] Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems) [06:16] !fedora [06:16] !botcookie [06:16] Sorry, I don't know anything about botcookie - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [06:16] !botsnack [06:16] Yum! 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[06:22] http://nethen.org/misc/ubuntu/ bug-device-icons.theora.ogm (for bored people, wanting to see 2 minutes of a bug, my poor english level, my poor typography, or all of them :) ) === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === WaltzingAlong [n=krugerk@h75-100-1-88.75-100.unk.tds.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fwp [n=fwp@unaffiliated/fwp] has joined #ubuntu+1 === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FD5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:44] !bot [06:44] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [06:44] ubotu:thank you [06:44] You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [06:44] ubotu:lol [06:44] Sorry, I don't know anything about lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [06:45] ubotu:look it up on google === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === eobanb [n=eoban@user-0c93gne.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === valehru [n=valehru@219.142.227.31] has joined #ubuntu+1 === KrakensDen [n=KD1@adsl-75-61-143-136.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:36] hi, hald-addon-storage is constantly polling my cdrom drive, and I'd like to make the noise stop :). Any ideas? [07:37] KrakensDen: heh, didn't we just work all this out? [07:37] KrakensDen: you can file a bug but hal-addon-storage is probably going to keep doing the same thing, it's useful [07:37] Amaranth, yes, now I'm asking for a solution ;) [07:37] sudo killall hal-addon-storage [07:38] Amaranth, but then: it happens again when I reboot [07:38] yep [07:39] besides, I don't object to polling === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@208.69.214.65] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:39] I object to noisy polling [07:39] and it does indeed make a loud noise [07:40] Amaranth, plus, it doesn't work :P [07:40] Amaranth, process gone, polling, not [07:40] and hal doesn't seem to have an entry in init.d [07:40] hal is started by dbus [07:41] I love dbus- when I don't have to interact with it [07:41] you don't want to stop hal [07:41] your desktop will probably crash :P [07:41] I've done it before, it deals pretty well. Basically your hardware applets stop working === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.13.10] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:44] aaand... restarting dbus does it [07:44] guys I had installed unifont as well as unifont-bin & now get stuck at X.org [07:44] nevermind [07:44] I was able to go to 2.6.22 & use recover & startx from there [07:45] here is the X.org.log file if that can give you guys some idea why is it not starting [07:45] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27371/ [07:45] lemme know if I need to do something more. === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.13.10] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [07:50] strace says hald is just doing this: open("/sys/block/dm-0/range", ... over and over again :/ [07:50] which is wierd [07:51] because there is no dm-0 file in /sys/block [07:51] s/file/folder === Sebastian [n=sb@p5088414E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === KjetilK_ [n=kjetil@cm-84.210.91.222.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu+1 === valehru [n=valehru@219.142.227.31] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu+1 === valehru [n=valehru@219.142.227.31] has joined #ubuntu+1 === borg_ [n=olaf@80.149.17.21] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald|Laptop [n=ronald@ip51-232-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === KrakensDen [n=KD1@adsl-75-61-143-136.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:19] Amaranth, looks like it might be evm, which starts up even though it's disable in services-config === Adlai [n=adlaiff6@user-64-9-234-127.googlewifi.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:20] Amaranth, and removing it 'fixes' the problem, in case you see someone else come in with that some day :) === acuster [n=acuster@AToulouse-256-1-44-236.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === assasukasse [n=agostino@host-84-223-201-34.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 === valehru [n=valehru@219.142.227.31] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wfarr_ [n=wfarr@adsl-152-173-56.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === CodeImp [n=dont@s55910c2b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === vdm [n=vdm@mail.pinsoffice.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dwa [n=duwial@hq.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === johnny__ [n=johnny@kuhstan5fk.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-34-25-199.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === johnny__ is now known as johnnybuoy === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-24-5-168-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:23] *** gutsy cd testers needed **** === valehru [n=valehru@219.142.227.31] has joined #ubuntu+1 === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:30] Hobbsee, I'll test a cd [09:30] what do you need [09:30] Adlai: you prefer ubuntu? [09:31] depends what it's being compared to [09:31] as opposed to kubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu [09:31] oh [09:31] I really don't have a preference [09:31] not a consistent one, anyway === Hobbsee asks what pitti wants tested the msot [09:32] while you're waiting for a response, what's required for the test? [09:32] Adlai: https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Ubuntu [09:32] sweet [09:33] desktop, or does it matter? [09:33] Adlai: that check cd works, the live cd part works, that your particular choice of partitioning works [09:33] Adlai: desktop is quicker. [09:33] k [09:33] Adlai: pick one that someone else hasnt done, basically :) [09:33] gotcha [09:33] check if compiz dies [09:34] hmmmmm [09:34] [17:23] Hobbsee: I did test installs yesterday and there were quite a lot of bugs; I need to talk to mvo and cjwatson_ [09:34] does it matter that I have a radeon x1400? [09:34] [17:23] Hobbsee: so for Ubuntu we might need an update at least [09:34] [17:24] Hobbsee: ubiquity hanging eternally on manual partitioning, hanging session splash, no shutdown dialog, and other people had lots and lots of crashes with compiz [09:34] it will need to run on xgl, not aiglx, basically [09:34] no. even better [09:34] okay, cool [09:34] it should all "just work" [09:34] understood [09:34] [17:33] Hobbsee: and booting the live system will already test the compiz stuff we're interested in; ubiquity tests cannot hurt, too [09:34] [17:33] * pitti is going to look into his bugs from yesterday in more detail === Hobbsee --> afk for a bit [09:36] where do I download the image? [09:36] oh never mind [09:38] https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ [09:39] Hey Hobbsee! I was too late, dholbach fixed Inkscape :) [09:40] coNP: oh well :) [09:40] coNP: btw, stevenk said that he'd help you out with openbox, and upload it to debian, if you wanted [09:41] he's on his way home === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:42] cool Hobbsee, many thanks [09:43] Mithrandir said he dropped Openbox in Debian as well... [09:43] yeah [09:43] coNP: i suggest you adopt it, then [09:43] can I adopt it without being a DD? [09:46] Yup, you'll just need to find sponsors for your uploads. [09:46] yep [09:49] Do you know if stevenk is a DD, BTW? [09:49] he is [09:49] Okay then he might sponsor me [09:49] He's hopefully sponsoring my specto upload :) [09:49] i asked him to and he said yes, so... [09:49] heh === coNP has found himself trapped in an inference loop... [09:52] hm? [09:52] A => B and B => C, and I asked if C => A [09:53] ahh === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bonniot [n=bonniot@dsl51B7913E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:02] hi. i'm trying to setup a mixed feisty/gutsy setup (using pinning), to be able to upgrade some packages, but cannot get it to work (some packages would be upgraded when they shouldn't, and -t gutsy still doesn't work). is this documented somewhere, or can somebody help? === coNP suggests to run either the old fawn or the new gibbon, if possiblit is e [10:03] I mean "if it is possible" [10:03] If I wanted some of the new packages from Gusty, but didn't want to run Gutsy, I'd apt-get source them and pbuilder them for Feisty. [10:06] If you were to try pinning, some of them will almost certainly depend on the new libc, and there's no guarantee that apt/dpkg/whatever will work with a different version of libc. [10:10] right, i see it's a risk. although it's still libc6 2.5 [10:11] fyi, i changed my gutsy source to a different mirror, updated, and now things seem to go as expected. weird [10:26] is there a way i can right a pdf text? [10:27] Openoffice [10:27] then save as pdf? === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:28] Indeed. [10:30] RAOF, i don't see in save as option to able to save it as .pdf [10:30] Export to PDF? [10:34] RAOF, thanks it worked === thekorn_ [n=thekorn@130.75.237.135] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Nicke_ [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === eMaX [n=emax@99.38.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu+1 === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-69-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kling0n [n=kling0n@0405ds1-ynoe.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tarzeau [i=sengun@krum.ethz.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-11-5.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === deep` [n=deep@c-9f2a71d5.017-19-626c671.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === khermans_ [n=khermans@c-65-96-191-13.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === der0b\ [n=s0d_0ff@c-66-31-142-244.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === edgy [n=edgy@212.138.78.126] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _dennis_ [n=dennis@d54C2B01E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === serAphim [n=seraphim@e179134069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF_ [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-34-25-199.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sandgroper [n=tomubunt@58.179.212.95] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jjchico [n=jjchico@valhalla.dte.us.es] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jjchico [n=jjchico@valhalla.dte.us.es] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === thomax__ [n=thomas@217-148-244-254.happymany.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-11-5.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dabian [n=Dabian@fsf/member/dabian] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:38] How do I install????????????? [12:38] download, burn, boot [12:39] No sorry [12:39] How upgrade from fiersty? [12:40] (+ dumb stuf english grammar requires) [12:42] khermans_: Please help me a lot!!!! [12:42] Dabian, how to upgrade? [12:42] Yes [12:42] I have feisty fawns [12:42] I wants ubotu+1 [12:43] Dabian, [12:43] http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [12:43] tnx [12:43] *hug* [12:43] If you don't know how, or how to find out, you shouldn't be doing it [12:43] well, just replace all instances of feisty with gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list [12:43] Dabian, crdlb makes a good point [12:43] you will break something [12:44] I have good expirience with ubuntu+1 when I upgrade to feisty fawns [12:45] How can I help test guysy? [12:45] gutsy [12:46] Whats very broken right now? === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:49] (I cannot read the topic) [12:49] oh .. now I can [12:49] khermans_: apt-get -u dist-upgrade ? [12:50] Dabian, sudo aptitude update [12:50] Dabian, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade [12:50] In screen :) [12:50] you may need to run it a few times [12:50] sometimes it breaks.. [12:50] Right .. there is always errors [12:51] Even if released, right? [12:51] From CD is easier .. but I will try aptitude upgrade :) [12:53] When everything is broken, I come back, and you help me, ok? :) === RAOF_ [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:56] Btw. should I make notes about problems with the upgrade? [12:57] Hmm [12:57] wait [12:57] 4 month is a long time .. [12:57] Is there a backport instead? === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:59] crdlb: Come to think about it, you have a good point. [01:00] khermans_: You're right, I get too easy annoyed for gutsy. [01:00] I want stuff to just work [01:00] then dont use gusty [01:00] I should probably run MacOS .. except that its unfree. [01:00] Dabian, feisty works fine [01:00] I'll wait [01:00] Dabian, what is your issue? [01:01] Well, pidgin is not in feisty [01:01] for some reason I add a source and then upgraded to pidgin, because I thought it was in feisty [01:01] I very much doubt I can downgrade to gaim easily. [01:01] Then again, maybe I can ... [01:02] ahh .. now I remember why I upgrade [01:02] gaim is very buggy. [01:05] Idiotic to upgrade to gutsy because of one package :) [01:05] Well, I have some trouble with emacs also [01:05] but they are probably unfixed in gutsy :) [01:06] So upgrading is too early === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dabian [n=Dabian@fsf/member/dabian] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === serAphim__ [n=seraphim@e179142085.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sen3 [n=sen@100.95-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zdra [n=zdra@cable-85.28.95.83.coditel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === atreju [n=atreju@87-239-96-129-dsl.qfast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Sayers [n=sayers@76.20.133.246] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] === SWAT [n=SWAT@ubuntu/member/swat] has joined #ubuntu+1 === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-221-60.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ench0 [n=encho_@86.43.214.95] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dendrobate1 [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dendrobates [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ench0 [n=encho_@86.43.214.95] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === dendrobates is now known as dendrobates-bbl === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === acuster [n=acuster@AToulouse-256-1-44-236.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Sayers [n=sayers@76.20.133.246] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Sayers wishes the torrent had more people . I got to 90% but no peers now. === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === segfault_ [n=nobody@c-68-33-214-39.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:46] hmmm, is knetwork manager still broken on tribe2? [02:46] Hobbsee: poke ? [02:46] jussi01: hiya [02:47] jussi01: shouldnt be [02:47] seems to be... [02:47] Hobbsee: its quite diferent to the fiesty one... [02:48] riight [02:49] anyway, im gonna go back and have a play, see if i missed domething. === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:50] Tribe 2 is out already? [02:50] Sayers: not yet, scheduled to appear tomorrow [02:50] ah, I've been missreading everyone today [02:51] no, tribe 2 is out... i just installed it... === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:51] it is only an early release of the official tribe 2 I guess [02:51] https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Kubuntu [02:52] ah yes, Well I am almost done downloading tribe 1 [02:52] can I just upgrade from there? [02:52] Sayers: yep, with rsync [02:52] never heard of that [02:53] !rsync [02:53] Sorry, I don't know anything about rsync - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [02:53] bah [02:53] oh, sorry if you want to upgrade a live system, you can use "update manager" [02:53] anyway, im heading back to try figure this out... [02:53] jussi01: That is for Kubuntu right. I know the end has /kubuntu , but want to be sure [02:54] Sayers: rsync is a tool that downloads only the difference between a downloaded copy and a pbulished file, e.g. a tribe1 iso and a tribe2 iso [02:54] publishe* [02:54] Sayers: yes [02:54] Sayers: yeah, look at the top right of the page === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:02] Hobbsee: now i feel stupid... === jussi01 is now on gutsy [03:04] jussi01: oh? what happened? [03:04] Hobbsee: you dont want to know.... [03:05] Hobbsee: just put it down to stupidity.... [03:05] jussi01: sure i do [03:05] hehe [03:05] you can /query if you want [03:05] huh, /query? [03:05] just tell all of us, we wont use it to judge you. [03:06] right... [03:06] :p [03:11] hehe, i like the little touch of telling people which pasword... : ie. [sudo] password for jussi: === Alexandre [n=administ@189.25.50.191] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:13] I liked that too. [03:14] hmmm... where is it i can choose which panel i want to adjust...? i can see the thing... grr [03:17] gah [03:17] where is it... === Tigge [n=tigge@bacchus.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === humbolto [n=elias@213-147-185-150.ADSL.ycn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:33] !info flash-nonfree [03:33] Package flash-nonfree does not exist in gutsy [03:34] hmmm, what is it that i install? [03:34] !info flashplugin-nonfree [03:34] flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.31.0.4ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 112 kB (Only available for i386) [03:35] heh.. i always get that mixed up... thanks [03:36] no problem [03:36] Pici: can you remind me of the java one also? [03:37] !info sun-java6-plugin [03:37] sun-java6-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB [03:38] or java5 [03:38] thank you :D === Sebastian [n=sb@p5088668C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [03:50] crud, i hate downloading flash... always takes _so_ long... === mahtavamatt88 [n=mahtavam@203.129.55.4] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dendrobates-bbl is now known as dendrobates === mahtavamatt88 [n=mahtavam@203.129.55.4] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dannilion [n=danni@149.254.200.222] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bipolar [n=bflong@216-164-162-138.pa.subnet.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Sayers [n=ubuntu@76.20.133.246] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:24] Uh I don't see any differnce between Feisty and Gusty ? [04:24] cleaner font [04:24]