[12:12] pitti: any eta for -desktop yet? [12:13] mvo: 10 minutes, I'd say [12:13] pitti: ROCK! [12:13] mvo: live image finished building 30 seconds ago, building iso now === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] is compiz enabled by default in gutsy with nvidia drivers? [12:14] i think it is [12:14] mvo: ^ good question: what happens now if I enable nvidia after installing with nv? will it switch over to compiz or keep metacity? [12:15] gnomefreak: we currently try to archive this, but nvidia will not be the default, it will be "nv" [12:15] that would explain the crash than [12:15] pitti: it will switch to compiz (that is our default wm) [12:15] gnomefreak :) [12:15] mvo: ah, ok [12:15] gnomefreak: oh? [12:15] its hard to diagnose a freezing issue with it enabled. [12:16] gnomefreak: please test the new images, they should have that fixed [12:16] gnomefreak: you use the nvidia driver and it freezes for you? do you have the latest (~10 minutes ago) packages for compiz and plugins-main? [12:16] i sent a crash to gnome-appearance-properties and it crashed compiz [12:16] gnomefreak: can you give me the bugnumber please? [12:16] pitti: i have newest in repos [12:16] mvo: apport is lazy tonight it didnt file one said it couldnt [12:17] error was This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed [12:17] i will try again [12:17] the very latest is really very fresh :) [12:18] as of maybe an hour ago [12:18] 1:0.5.1+git20070621-0ubuntu3? [12:18] mvo: bug 122330 [12:18] Launchpad bug 122330 in gnome-control-center "[Gutsy] Gnome Appearance windows freezes and fails to finish loading " [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122330 [12:18] pitti: is that 'server' for edubuntu? [12:18] heno, mvo, all: new ubuntu live images are up (20070626.2), please test [12:18] gnomefreak: then please try again, I think it was made available ~15min ago [12:18] k [12:18] heno: which server? [12:18] Kmos: thanks! === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] pitti: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070626.2/ Edubuntu doesn't have an 'alternate' [12:20] heno: ah, right; yes, that's the server install CD [12:20] Kmos, gnomefreak: that freeze in #122330 is with the "nv" driver? or the "nvidia" one? [12:20] pitti: ok, thanks [12:20] nvidia [12:20] oh :/ [12:20] hrm [12:21] So, uh, why is hal-device-manager in system/preferences? [12:21] It can't actually change anything [12:21] mvo: i sent kill sig to it again compiz didnt crash this time :( but apport is working now [12:21] mvo: just got newest ones updating now ty [12:21] mjg59: right, it should be somewhere else, or not installed at all [12:21] gnomefreak: cool, thanks. lets see how that goes :) [12:22] pitti: Ok, not just me then:) [12:22] mvo: will let you know ty [12:22] mjg59: it has been there since warty, though [12:22] mjg59: at least there is hope, h-d-m has been dropped upstream, and replaced by gnome-device-manager which can actually *do* stuff :) [12:23] pitti: alternative install works at least in vmware, testing -desktop on real hw now [12:23] Xubuntu freaks, heno: new xubuntu alternates are up (20070626.1), please test [12:23] pitti: that means the previous crash on login is fixed [12:24] mvo: hm, my alternate is at 71%; I want your fast hard disks :) [12:24] heh :) === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8760.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] heno: seen this ubuntu windows installer? http://wubi-installer.org/ === jtmoulia [n=jtmoulia@149.142.103.81] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Riddell: yes, it's a gutsy goal [12:30] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerForWindows [12:31] heno: who's doing it? [12:31] Riddell: community members in the forums [12:31] impressive [12:32] pitti: please include bdmurray in your build pings. He's got tracker admin powers now === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] Riddell: yeah it could rock if it matures in time === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] pitti: tribe-2 with compiz on ati r200 works here very nicely [12:35] heno: will do [12:35] mvo: live session in vmware is good here [12:35] pitti: thanks [12:36] bdmurray, could we discuss my application to -qa pls? :) [12:36] how about to delete http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20070624/ [12:36] and 25 [12:36] I solved thousand of bugs already :P [12:36] heno, bdmurray, fabbione, *: new ubuntu server images up (20070626) [12:37] heno, bdmurray: that covers the alternates; I'll build the ports now [12:37] pygi: a bit busy at the moment [12:38] pitti: looks like I've goofed the ubuntu alternate .2 postings [12:38] posted them under the wrong milestone and there is no way to recover from that in the tracker :( [12:39] heno: how so? wrong number for xubuntu and server? [12:40] pitti: correct number 20070626.2 for ubuntu alt, but wrong milestone. now I'm blocked from posting another 20070626.2 ubuntu alt [12:41] heno: erk; so stgraber needs to poke an UPDATE sql at the right spot now? === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] evand: hm, ubiquity translations are a lot worse than they used to be [12:43] pitti: -desktop works on nvidia based system here too (uses metacity unless I enable nvidia the apperance capplet - that has some glitches though) [12:43] pitti: except he seems to have gone off to sleep [12:43] (wisely) === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === qnyc [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] heno: for ubuntu I only see 'server' ones; is that what you mean by 'goofed'? alternates not showing up? [12:48] pitti: yes. I can make them appear as 20070626-2 (with a - instead of a .)to allow for test results to be posted, but the download links won't work [12:49] hrm [12:49] heno, bdmurray, Riddell, LongPointyStick: kubuntu lives are up (20070626.2) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] pitti: can you elaborate on that? [12:50] heno: hm, I don't see download links anywhere anyway? [12:51] heno, manual sql intervention? [12:51] evand: just that a lot of strings appear in English now which used to be in German (like the user name/login/password mask) [12:51] pitti: click the ISO icon [12:51] aah, I see [12:52] odd, I don't remember that changing, but then again I didn't do the user-setup merge. I'll look into it after dinner. [12:52] pitti: thanks === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === realist_ [n=realist@58.175.41.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] heno: hm, let's do the 26-2 trick then, so that they at least appear; I'll try to add symlinks on cdimage [12:56] heno: that affects ubuntu alternate? ubuntu desktop and kubuntu alt/live as well? === gnomefreak stays confused filed bug for pitti on apport-gtk crash traceback is OSerror about '/var/crash/_usr_bin_compiz.real.1000.crash' [12:56] heno: I guess it's better if you do the change first, and then I'll do the necessary symlinks [12:57] gnomefreak: hmm, apport crashing on reporting a compiz crash? great [12:57] lol [12:57] there is no compiz crash file [12:57] but no such file or dir for the above [12:57] gnomefreak: so the upgrade did not fix the crash? [12:57] mvo: hard to tell since there is no crash for compiz [12:58] gnomefreak: I mean, when you enable it, do you get a working compiz? or does it not work or hang? [12:58] mvo: i didnt enable it i just logged in [12:58] what would session name be for it? [12:59] ill see if its enabled === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] gnomefreak: please go to system/preferences/appreance and there to the desktop effects tab [12:59] mvo: yeah that again [12:59] if it works now ill let you know [12:59] otherwise nothing i can do [12:59] 'k [01:00] its still freezing [01:00] pitti: never mind bdmurray saved the day by figuring out how to fix it :) === heno hugs bdmurray [01:01] gnomefreak: hm, no good :/ [01:01] bdmurray: *big hug* [01:01] the tracker actually has the functionality to fix it, it's just a bit awkward [01:02] mvo: agreed i was looking to disable it so maybe gnome-appearance-properties wouldnt freeze === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo needs to reboot to test the new -desktop on his laptop === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] heno, bdmurray: kubuntu doesn't have any images, is that a tracker bug? or haven't they been added so far? [01:04] pitti: haven't been added yet we were sorting out the other issue [01:04] I'm on it though [01:04] ah, ok [01:05] pitti: done [01:06] we need another way to get into desktop-effects settings :( [01:06] ah, I see the kdesktops now (no kalternates yet) [01:06] so, amd64 ubuntu alternate+desktop work fine now in vmware [01:06] gnomefreak: that's in Preferences -> Appearance now === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] I'll try the live CD on real hardware now, brb [01:07] its freezing [01:07] i cant get in it [01:07] gnomefreak: hm, even with the current CDs? [01:07] gnomefreak: ah, nevermind, that's in an installed system, right? [01:07] yes [01:07] bummer [01:08] anyway, brb [01:08] yay i managed to crash compiz === Kmos_ [n=gothicx@249-172.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-074-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sp3iel [i=sp3iel@cl-154.mbx-01.si.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] Is Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 free enough for us? === heno gets some sleep [01:18] shawarma: which one exactly? [01:18] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/ [01:19] http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary.html says no :( === mvo [n=egon@p54A6708E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] shawarma: do you want to use this license? === pitti [n=ubuntu@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] tarzeau: No, I want to distribute something that is already under it. [01:19] shawarma: cc-by-sa is free enough for us [01:20] shawarma: talk to whoever used the license [01:20] elmo: Cool. Then why not for Debian? [01:20] mvo: how does things look for you? [01:20] mvo: I managed to enable nvidia in the live system (on real hw now); vmware installs went fine for me [01:21] oh, that's by, not by-sa [01:21] pitti: pretty good, I got two random crashes but that might be HW (CD disc) - but nothing that looks like compiz breakage [01:21] elmo: So it's a no-go after all? [01:21] elmo: (the docs I'm looking at are just by) [01:22] pitti: tested on ati r200 (working compiz), nvidia (works, but appreance capplet has some glitches), and r500 ati (vesa, no breakage, metacity is used then) [01:22] shawarma: by is no good for us either [01:22] oh, and a s3virge :) [01:22] mvo: sounds good [01:22] shawarma: we already distribute CC stuff in main. ubuntu-doc is dual licensed GFDL and CC by sa [01:22] shawarma: and we're not Debian - we don't always follow their license choices [01:22] elmo: Alright. If I can convince them to use cc-by-sa instead, it's all good? [01:23] Burgundavia: we distribute by-sa, plain by is not ok [01:23] shawarma: yes [01:23] evand: hm, when I select 'manual partitioning' I get eternal hang [01:23] elmo: Wicked. Thanks. [01:23] elmo: right [01:24] pitti: yes, quite encouraging so far [01:25] mvo: even n-m worked reasonably \o/ [01:25] if ubiquity would actually work now (with manual), that would be uber-cool [01:26] good night [01:27] elmo, umm, why not plain by if by-sa is ok? [01:27] mjr: because by doesn't give permission to modify? [01:27] elmo, you're thinking by-nd [01:28] elmo: http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary.html says cc-by-sa is not ok for Debian for the same reasons that cc-by isn't. [01:28] mjr: that's possible, the CC license rabbit like proliferation gives me a headache [01:28] :) [01:29] ok, so having actually read the license, mjr's right and I'm on crack [01:29] shawarma: so both cc-by and cc-by-sa are fine, and I'm going away now [01:29] ..so I'm supposed to try and convince them to use.. what? cc-by-nd? [01:29] no! [01:29] :) [01:29] Ah, the other way around? === shawarma has no idea [01:30] shawarma, either by or by-sa. nd or nc are no-nos [01:30] Is there anything in particular that makes it alright for us but not for Debian, or is it just debian-legal being overly pedantic? [01:30] by is attribution, sa is share alike (copyleft), nd is no derivative [01:30] nc is non-commercial [01:31] Ah. nd sounds bad :) === sp3iel [i=sp3iel@cl-154.mbx-01.si.sixxs.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:32] shawarma, it is a somewhat pedantic issue; overly is a matter of taste === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] it's _good_ that d-l is pedantic [01:32] somebody needs to be [01:33] True that. [01:33] bear in mind that debian-legal don't actually represent the decision making body when it comes to making license choices for Debian [01:34] it mostly gives advices [01:34] afaik === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-210-186.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] I see. [01:39] elmo: who is? do GRs like in the case of GFDL represent a decision? [01:39] LaserJock: certainly [01:40] LaserJock: but day to day it's the ftp-masters processing packages through NEW that actually matter - debian-legal is just a mailing list [01:40] evand: hm, I tried it a second time now, with reformatting my test ntfs with ext3; still hangs at manual [01:40] LaserJock: (disclaimer: I'm not exactly unbiased ;-) [01:41] elmo: of course [01:41] pitti: MIR for OpenAL updated, FreeAlut getting done now. [01:41] elmo: but I found it odd when you were essentially ftp-master in both Debian and Ubuntu, did you pretty much view things the same, or did you use different criteria [01:42] evand: dang -- when I start it with "UBIQUITY_DEBUG=1 sudo ubiquity", it works; yay heisenbug [01:42] StevenK: cheers [01:42] LaserJock: different critteria - Ubuntu has it's license policies which I applied when processing it's NEW, and I applied Debian's when processing Debian NEW [01:43] but who makes the Ubuntu license policy? [01:43] LaserJock: I've no idea anymore? :) [01:43] TB [01:43] I've never seen anything written. [01:43] there use to be some stuff on the old website [01:43] I just wonder if it's sort of historical/traditional [01:43] not sure if it survived the crackpalization [01:43] perhaps not [01:43] LaserJock: some of it certainly was - discussed at Oxford type stuff [01:43] I've searched around for it [01:44] the only real differences I've see where GFDL and CC [01:44] *were [01:44] yes, that's the principal difference, Ubuntu's more liberal approach to non-source code type stuff [01:45] documentation, fonts, firmware, images, sounds, etc. [01:45] right [01:46] RobNyc: I believe its called "Main Menu" in the panel add dialog, and does not have the ubuntu icon [01:46] bdmurray, ogra: edubuntu live is up (20070627) [01:46] Sorry about that, switched windows in the middle of typing. [01:47] pitti: freealut also done. [01:47] bdmurray: btw, ubuntu doesn't have desktops on isotesting yet === jtchief01 [n=jtchief0@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] pitti: should be all set now [01:50] pitti: Let me know if the two MIRs are now suitable, if you're still looking at them. === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:51] bdmurray: yay; ETA for xubuntu is ~ 15 minutes (will be 20070627, too) === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] pitti: strange future numbers === shawarma calls it a day === bugsbang [n=bonny@ALamentin-104-1-21-238.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bonny_ [n=bonny@ALamentin-104-1-21-238.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] bdmurray: BST :) === bonny_ [n=bonny@ALamentin-104-1-21-238.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Quitte"] [01:59] i found the cause of gnome-appearance-properties freezing [01:59] its freezing due to gnome-themes-extras [01:59] if i uninstall it appearance crashes [02:01] pitti: I'm testing 20070627 Edubuntu live in vmware now [02:03] LaserJock: thanks; please report the results on isotesting === pitti reboots into installed system again, brb === mvo leaves for the evening === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] bdmurray: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20070627/ is finally there [02:12] ok, I"m having the same problem as with 20070626.1 [02:12] it won't login in vmware [02:12] it just has this endless cycle or reloading gdm [02:12] s/or/of/ [02:12] LaserJock: Does it kill X? === lamont [i=lamont@nat/hp/x-15e5b1e6bc3f1f4a] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] I think so [02:12] it kicks it back to console [02:12] then it tries to login, then dies [02:13] and it'll do it indefinately until I turn it off [02:13] LaserJock: which graphics card? [02:13] well, it's vmware on an intel imac with an ATI card [02:13] pitti: what does that leave? [02:14] bdmurray: supported arches and all derivatives are done [02:14] bdmurray: ports alternates are built, too, DVDs are running over (my) night, will build the ports/lives later [02:15] bdmurray: my live install on real hw was quite mixed: hanging ubiquity when doing manual partitioning, hanging splash screen, no logout dialog, hmm [02:15] StevenK, pitti: is this a known issue? ogra thought it was [02:15] LaserJock: it was actually be supposed to be fixed on latest images [02:15] LaserJock: I had the same and it worked for me now [02:16] LaserJock: can you please file a bug against compiz, assign to mvo, and milestone it for tribe-2? [02:16] hmm, I'll rsync again just to make sure I'm actually updated [02:16] LaserJock: please include your setup and milestone versoin === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.59] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] pitti: compiz??? [02:16] LaserJock: yes, it shouldn't enable itself on the vmware driver [02:17] LaserJock: Yes, compiz checks for GL, glxinfo segvs and the server dies. [02:17] LaserJock: on some drivers, glxinfo causes X to crash, and those are blacklisted [02:17] Hmm. So compiz is going to be on by defalt on some select cards? [02:17] hmm, when I login with ubuntu (not let it automatically login) I see a flash of a "Could not load gnome-settings-daemon" error [02:17] bdmurray: I need to get some sleep :/ can you have an eye on critical stuff and milestone those bugs? [02:17] wasabi: By default except for those that are blacklisted.; [02:18] Eww. Is ati blacklisted? :) [02:18] (or just don't support composite) [02:18] wasabi: ati isn't; that uses glxinfo capability detection [02:18] I can't think of any drivers except maybe the intels in a state where I'd enable something like that by default. =/ [02:18] My ATI, with the closed source drivers, is not stable for more than a day with it. [02:18] err, with teh OPEN source drivers. [02:18] The closed ones barely last 5 minutes. ;) [02:19] Where is said list? [02:19] pitti: milestone for tribe 3? [02:20] bdmurray: the real blockers for tribe2 [02:21] pitti: yeah, I thought out it harder. ;) Yes, I'll keep an eye out this evening [02:22] bdmurray: thanks === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] good night everyone [02:23] pitti: night [02:23] bdmurray: I'll file bugs for my installation issues tomorrow and will discuss them with Seb and evand; just cannot keep my eyes open any more [02:36] bdmurray: ok, I reported my Edubuntu LiveCD issue as bug #122459 . I'm not sure if any more is needed [02:36] Launchpad bug 122459 in compiz "[gutsy] cannot log in on edubuntu DesktopCD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122459 [02:37] /c [02:37] uuugh === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] LaserJock: looking [02:41] LaserJock: is that amd64 or i386? [02:41] oh, sorry, I was using i386 CD [02:42] LaserJock: no problem I updated it [02:43] thanks [02:43] anything else? [02:43] I'm about to head home, I'll try it there too [02:43] not that I can think of I'm going to try and recreate it [02:44] ok, bbiab === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt enjoys hotel candy [03:16] mmm hoteles silken === cynics [n=cynics@123.116.99.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] LaserJock: I'm unable to reproduce that bug === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] evening === Yasumoto [n=Yasumoto@cpe-75-84-49-174.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] hello sbalneav [03:48] I've got evolution installed and seems my mail go's into the outbox instead of sent...Any Ideas ? [03:52] oh cool so im going to this live thing === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] bdmurray: same things happens on my Ubuntu vmware :( === TheDebugger [n=unknown@bas1-montreal02-1096725380.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheDebugger [n=unknown@bas1-montreal02-1096725380.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === namelesss [n=nameless@ip-8.net-81-220-244.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] bdmurray: did you try it in vmware? === zxz [n=zxz@modemcable023.30-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@71.237.92.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] LaserJock: yes, I did [04:15] LaserJock: Do you know if vmware video drivers change? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === memedx [i=dum6oy@dsl-241-140.melsa.net.id] has joined #ubuntu-devel === memedx [i=dum6oy@dsl-241-140.melsa.net.id] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:29] bdmurray: I have no idea [04:29] but the two systems I tried on where completely different [04:29] morning all [04:29] Morning Hobbsee [04:29] :) [04:29] one was intel iMac with ATI video, second was Ubuntu PC with nvidia video [04:30] different versions of vmware (vmware fusion on the mac and vmware server on Ubuntu) [04:30] different .isos [04:30] unless I totally messed up the rsync [04:30] but I'm pretty sure I got the right one [04:31] heya Hobbsee [04:32] :) [04:32] bryce: how goes X? === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-133-184.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:33] Hobbsee: I have a theory on what happened. I notice the xorg package causes generation of libgl* debs when pbuilding it. I was doing pbuilds of xorg and mesa around the same time, so suspect the build of the former got mixed with the build of the latter [04:34] bryce: ahhh..... [04:34] bryce: but they still shouldnt be producing the same binaries [04:35] anyway, I decided to do one thing at a time. ;-) I got the xorg stuff done today, and will focus on mesa tomorrow [04:36] :) [04:36] bryce: that versoin that i had is working, if you wanted to upload it anyway [04:36] or if you wanted me to [04:36] yes, that would be great! === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.49.26] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] bryce: you dont want more changes? [04:39] ok, I've been at this since 6 this morning and my brain is mush [04:39] bryce: btw - did you look at what my changes even were? :) [04:41] you mean the +Conflicts? [04:41] I looked at the diff but haven't had a chance to test them on my own system [04:44] yeah [04:44] LaserJock: did you verify the md5sum ? === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8760.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] bryce: uploading === wintermu2e [n=crass@66-90-144-202.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] LaserJock: Which version of VMWare is it? === zxz [n=zxz@modemcable023.30-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pD952797E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:36] morning guys === StevenK waves to fabbione [05:37] morning fabbione! you're up early! [05:37] yeah i couldn't sleep today [05:37] mornign fabbione [05:37] :( === fabbione isn't very happy about that [05:38] fabbione: Oh, I assumed it was your walking/crawling alarm clock. [05:38] StevenK: i am one hour earlier than usual [05:40] fabbione: please try not to wake me when you get out of bed early. :/ [05:40] now come back here and let's snuggle. === StevenK smirks. [05:41] mneptok: yeah i wish... i can't fall back to sleep once i wake up in the morning [05:41] fabbione: Try harder, I can. :-) [05:42] fabbione: the thorazine is on the second shelf of the medicine cabinet. [05:42] StevenK: it did never work [05:42] mneptok: ehe [05:43] Thorazine doesn't help you sleep, though... [05:44] StevenK: you're doing it wrong. [05:47] Ativan injections will have you asleep in less than a minute, guaranteed. [05:48] mneptok: Based on wikipedia, Thorazine is used for schizophrenia and [05:48] short term management of severe anxiety. === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.59] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] StevenK: the voices in my head disagree === qnyc [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] Hah === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:03] keescook: seriously, you rock. === ScottK agrees, but is curious why now particularly? === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@c-76-109-2-187.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] ScottK: he wrote a greasemonkey script, so you can add whichever predefined responses you like, and it'll change statuses, etc, on launchpad [06:07] Greetings. I know I font belong here - i just have one question -- is their optomism that the next version will be easier to install on macbookpro's with ati video cards? thus far i havent been able to get definitive answers as to how one goes about installing edgy on previously stated hardware [06:07] Ah. [06:08] shadeofgrey: You do know there is a newer release than Edgy, right? [06:08] ScottK, no i didnt [06:08] ScottK, is it easier to install onb intel macs with ati video cards? [06:09] if so we should probably speak in private. im probably already in trouble with the channel bosses for showing up here in the first place [06:09] shadeofgrey: Since I have neither an intel mac, nor an ati video card I have no idea. I'd suggest give it a try. [06:09] where do i acquiure what you speak of? === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] shadeofgrey: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download [06:12] all i see is 6.06 and 7.04 [06:14] shadeofgrey: Edgy is 6.10, which isn't there. That should be a hint. [06:14] shadeofgrey: You'd want to try 7.04 [06:14] oh [06:16] ive already tried 7.04 -- wont work [06:16] thanks anyhow [06:16] sorry to disturb you guys === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@c-76-109-2-187.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:17] I've seen him in #ubuntu-accessibility before. [06:17] No bug, no reason, no nothing. Sigh. [06:18] iirc he used to be a dev. or at least in here. [06:18] he's not new, for a start. [06:19] TheMuso, ping. [06:19] superm1: Hey. [06:19] superm1: Sorry, I got sidetracked. I may get a chance to look in a bi. [06:19] bit [06:19] TheMuso, ah okay :) === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] Hobbsee: heheh. thanks! I blame it all on Mithrandir, though; he wrote the original stuff -- I just felt like hurting myself and learning some more javascript. :) [06:53] does anybody remember the url for isotesting? [06:54] oh well, thanks to tfheen too [06:54] fabbione: isotester.stgrabber.org, offhand [06:54] nope.... [06:55] https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ [06:55] The first Tribe-2 candidates are now available for testing. You can find [06:55] download links, md5 sums and report results on the ISO tracker: [06:55] https://isotesting.stgraber.org [06:55] Please help us find the nasty bugs early in the cycle so we can focus on [06:55] polish closer to release :) For alpha releases we recommend the short [06:55] yeps.. i already have test results [06:55] testing procedure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Short [06:55] thanks :) [06:55] Also see: [06:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/Procedures [06:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/ReportingResults [06:55] Thanks! [06:55] Henrik [06:56] are we actually testing these, for final? i havent read backscroll [06:56] as in, do these have network mangler fixes? [06:56] Hobbsee: not sure.. i am only testing -server iso's [06:56] .2...they probably are. will look later === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.83.207] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KrakensDen [n=KD1@adsl-75-61-143-136.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:29] so I just started testing gutsy, and it's constantly accessing my cdrom drive === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] any ideas for what is responsible? [07:30] kernel? hal? [07:31] asac: ping [07:32] KrakensDen: probably hal-addon-storage [07:32] KrakensDen: but this really isn't the right place for this discussion [07:32] Amaranth, where then? [07:32] Amaranth, I hate filing bugs without a target [07:32] #ubuntu+1 or a bug on launchpad [07:32] Amaranth, ok, thank you [07:33] I would say it's hal-addon-storage poking to see if you put a CD in [07:34] indeed: hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/scd0 (every 2 sec) [07:34] sounds about right === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F75732.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] good morning [07:47] morning dholbach [07:47] hiya stgraber [07:47] hi stgraber === shenki [n=ubuntu@ppp121-45-67-221.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:48] Looks like henrik had some problems moving a build from one Milestone to another :), we really should write a doc ... (but it seems he finally found how to do so) [07:50] oh, funny the isolist isn't sorted correctly on the tracker, it's sorted by version instead of the distribution ... [07:51] fixed :) [07:53] is 20070626.2 known to fail at install (desktop, i386)? [07:56] nobody tested the install (at least no results were posted on the tracker) [07:57] stgraber: ok. that's the best place to report a failed install these days, or is opening a bug a better idea? [07:58] shenki: file a bug.. [07:58] ok [07:58] and make sure the iso tracker will reflect that === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] shenki: the right way is to file a bug, put a FAIL result on the tracker with the bugnumber and set it to critical (as you can't install) [08:01] thanks [08:02] argh, it's time for me to leave you and go to this really useful school day :) (doing pretty much nothing than watching DVDs ...) [08:02] see you all later === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione does an attempt to clean up his bug mailbox [08:06] ahh, i love you too launchpad === jonib1 [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] timeouts :( no bug report for me === shenki [n=ubuntu@ppp121-45-67-221.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] Riddell: I need help with adept's build system: I'm trying a clean rebuild with the patched version (using http://www.enricozini.org/store/adept.patch.gz) but the build system isn't building the .moc files anymore [08:13] Riddell: I just can't find out why [08:13] hi enrico [08:13] Riddell: there's a few more minimal patches on top of that (some leftover LIBTAGCOLL_DEFS to remove) [08:14] enrico: we had some issues libept on sparc. the testsuite BusError [08:14] enrico: strange thing is that if you run it manually works.. but from within the test script no. [08:14] enrico: if you want i can provide you with access to sparc [08:14] Riddell: and it builds with libapt-front at svn://svn.debian.org/libapt-front/0.3.11 (forget about the name, it contains 0.4.0) [08:14] fabbione: hi [08:15] fabbione: thanks, vorlon pointed that out to me as well. It bus errors on hppa and ia64 as well. [08:16] fabbione: this evening I'll look into it. If the normal DD accessible machines won't do it for me, I'll ask you about access [08:16] enrico: ok cool. i did temporary disabled the test suite for ubuntu but if you need any help just drop an email with your ssh key and i will setup access [08:17] fabbione: ok, thanks [08:17] enrico: i also have hppa and ia64 toys around if you need... === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] cool === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wonders how long it will be before pitti comes online [08:23] Riddell: argh! [08:23] *** YOU'RE USING automake (GNU automake) 1.10. [08:23] *** KDE requires automake 1.6.1 or newer [08:24] enrico: appropriate http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_autoconf2.60.diff i suspect [08:24] Hobbsee: He didn't go to bed until 2:30am his local time. [08:24] oh wait [08:24] enrico: dont mind me, i cant read. [08:24] StevenK: ouch. by the logs, i can tell it must be something like that [08:24] Hobbsee: :) === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] Riddell: mornfall hinted me at make -f admin/Makefile.common cvs and now the build has managed to start === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee decides to test a cd anyway === Hobbsee hugs rsycn === LaserJock kicks rsync === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] HAPPY HUG DAY [08:39] dholbach: it's been hug day for ages, and i've been closing bugs! :D [08:39] hehe [08:39] lol [08:39] grr i cant get started yet === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@vawad-xen1.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock gives Hobbsee a hug [08:39] Hobbsee, I'd say we closed 50 burning bugs in two days [08:40] which is nice :) [08:40] there's ~30 closed kdebase bugs, and about the same for kdemultimedia. which is good! [08:40] :D === Hobbsee gives LaserJock a hug back :) [08:40] and I'll close some tomorrow hopefully === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:40] hiya MithrandirWithWorkingSystem === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] better [08:40] hiya Hobbsee [08:40] :) [08:41] well crap, it seems rsync didn't really rsync my .iso [08:42] :( === Admiral_Chicago hugs room [08:50] well shoot, now I can't even confirm my own bug :/ [08:50] Good morning, everyone. Happy hug day! [08:50] LaserJock: why not? [08:50] hiya shawarma! [08:50] shawarma: you asked something odd last night. did you get an asnwer? [08:50] Hi, Hobbsee! [08:51] Hobbsee: Which one of my odd questions are you referring to? [08:51] dont remember. i'll have to lastlog [08:51] Hobbsee: well, I tried the Edubuntu Desktop CD at work and it wouldn't login [08:51] so I went home and tried it at home, same thing [08:51] now I figure out that the .iso at home didn't really rsync [08:52] so when I *do* rsync it the bug goes away [08:52] ahhh [08:53] shawarma: server iso's are up for testing FYI === popst1 [n=mk@c-a6cbe455.117-77-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] fabbione: Today's daily images? [08:54] shawarma: yes [08:54] 20070626 [08:54] Great. I'm on it. [08:59] shawarma: i guess you also want to tell to the other -server guys [08:59] shawarma: i already did sparc for you [09:00] \0/ [09:00] fabbione: They're all asleep. Slackers. [09:01] shawarma: then you win :) === LongPointyStick pokes them all [09:02] fabbione: Uhuh.. [09:02] fabbione: :p [09:02] shawarma: remember to play Lotto this week.. ~54M DKK on saturday === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:40:213:2ff:fe05:abdb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] fabbione: Man, testing this is going to be so much nicer than Tribe 1. I've got a new kickass machine for it. [09:03] shawarma: good.. [09:03] fabbione: Meh.. Playing the lottery is just an extra tax on lack of math skills. [09:04] Meh. There's no math skills to it. [09:04] shawarma: i won last week too... [09:04] fabbione: Big bucks? [09:05] shawarma: enough for a box of cigarettes and to pay off the play [09:05] StevenK: You'd think so. [09:05] shawarma: do you truely believe i was gonna test sparc today if i won big bucks? :P [09:05] fabbione: Um... yes? [09:06] fabbione: You like it, and you know it. [09:06] shawarma: Um no.. i would command somebody to do it for me :) [09:06] fabbione: Sure, because you would have ordered a few 96 CPU UltraSPARC IV monsters? :-) [09:06] ahaha === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === leagris [n=leagris_@lns-bzn-32-82-254-61-35.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] hile, anyone could have a look at this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118310 and have an idea for a workaround? [09:16] Launchpad bug 118310 in linux-source-2.6.20 "pktcdvd bound device limit the size readable from attached device when mounting ISO9660 or UDF dual layer DVD-ROM." [Undecided,Confirmed] === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] pitti!!!!!!!!!!!! === Hobbsee hugs pitti [09:17] good morning === pitti yawns === pitti hugs Hobbsee === StevenK waves to pitti, and runs off home. [09:19] hi StevenK [09:19] pitti: that's what happens when you go to bed at 2.30am :P [09:20] Hobbsee: well, after 18 hours of sitting in front of that damn machine I just had to :/ [09:20] hehe [09:20] understandable [09:21] hm, no ubuntu desktop/alternate iso tests at all during the night :/ === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:21] did you call for testers? [09:21] or did anyone else? [09:21] on irc? [09:21] Riddell: uploaded in Debian [09:21] please give back nemiver prefixsuffix libgnomeuimm2.6 [09:22] Hobbsee: heno did on the mailing list yesterday [09:22] yeah, i just remmebered, hence added the IRC [09:22] pitti: those are the final images, as far as you know? === rulus [n=rulus_|@247.136-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] Hobbsee: I did test installs yesterday and there were quite a lot of bugs; I need to talk to mvo and cjwatson_ [09:23] Hobbsee: so for Ubuntu we might need an update at least [09:23] pitti: right. kubuntu seems OK, so far. [09:23] desktop [09:23] what bugs? [09:23] Riddell: if you don't want to wait for a debian archive run, you can get them from http://www.enricozini.org/store/aptfront.tar and http://www.enricozini.org/store/adept.tar [09:24] enrico: we're in freeze at the moment anyway [09:24] Hobbsee: ubiquity hanging eternally on manual partitioning, hanging session splash, no shutdown dialog, and other people had lots and lots of crashes with compiz [09:25] pitti: right. [09:27] kylem: still awake by chance? === Hobbsee didnt think that "OK" and "cancel" are german. === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] shawarma: thanks for doing some server tests; can you do the other i386 tests as well? and maybe an amd64 one? [09:30] erk. my german isnt that good, to understand teh error messages. *puts it back in english* [09:30] Hobbsee: what did it say? [09:31] pitti: NFI :) [09:31] pitti: er, did you want more testers for the ubuntu cds? [09:31] if you know about those bugs already? === pygi is worried what might happen if pitti says yes, and he will [09:32] that would be great [09:32] pitti: preferance for desktop or alternate? [09:32] we need a lot of testing for the compiz stuff, to cover lots of hardware [09:32] Hobbsee: desktop; that's quicker [09:33] pitti: I'm on it. :) [09:33] pitti: Both i386 and amd64. I'll do all 6. [09:33] Hobbsee: and booting the live system will already test the compiz stuff we're interested in; ubiquity tests cannot hurt, too === pitti is going to look into his bugs from yesterday in more detail [09:33] pitti: yeah [09:35] pitti: i see what you mean about the checking the file system taking an eternity, it happens with the auto-resize too. [09:35] (kubuntu desktop i386) [09:36] StevenK: cruft list updated, btw [09:36] Hobbsee: oh, does it eventually get on? [09:39] shawarma: great! [09:40] pitti: ahhh...yeah...now it is. well, it's showing 50%, as opposed to 0 [09:42] pitti: seems that not everything actually changes back to english, if you hit back repeatedly, and change the language in the installer [09:42] Hobbsee: 50% of what? [09:42] pitti: of resizing [09:42] Hobbsee: the 'reading partition table' dialog disappeared quite quickly, but then nothing happened any more [09:42] ah, resizing === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] I know we've been over it numerous times over the last week... What's the difference between confirmed and triaged again? [09:43] pitti: Riddell's listed manual partition as a PASS. so i havent tested it. [09:43] and catnn really, in a VM. [09:43] shawarma: anyone can confirm - but that doesnt mean its got enough info to fix it === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] Hobbsee: So triaged is more complete? [09:44] Hobbsee: that's just weird; if it needs more info, it should be 'incomplete' [09:44] pitti: i never said it made sense. [09:44] shawarma: yes [09:44] triaged is no longer a closed state, too [09:46] Hobbsee: SUper. Thanks. [09:46] Hobbsee: So confirmed is basically a "me too"? [09:46] yeah [09:47] Excellent. [09:57] pitti: is there a bug about the ubiquity hang? [09:57] morning cjwatson [09:57] morning === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] [09:58] cjwatson: resize seems to take forever too. not sure who's department that is === ct2rips [n=ct2rips@p5486B47B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] Hobbsee: timed as longer than feisty? [10:00] resizing is often Just Slow [10:00] cjwatson: i wasnt running a VM in feisty :) [10:00] cjwatson: it took ~5 mins? [10:00] or longer? [10:00] that doesn't bother me too much === mvo [n=egon@p54A67189.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] I doubt it's changed - parted's basically the same [10:00] cjwatson: fair enough. i havent reported it. only reported the kubuntu mount one [10:01] and i've got a suspicion that that's a fairly simple one to fix [10:01] I have not seen it [10:01] i only just reported it [10:01] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122500 [10:01] Launchpad bug 122500 in ubiquity "Kubuntu - Mount dialog always gets shown when the disk is mounted, in the middle of the install" [Undecided,New] [10:01] I'm sure that used to work in Kubuntu === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] hello cjwatson === pitti hugs mvo [10:02] cjwatson: I didn't yet dive into the manual partitioning hang; running with UBIQUITY_DEBUG=1 fixed it... [10:02] hey pitti [10:02] cjwatson: and the normal log didn't say anything [10:02] pitti: how do the images look so far? === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-30-144.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] mvo: my test install from yesterday was pretty bad :/ [10:03] mvo: compiz itself worked, but something in your new gnome-session makes the splash screen not go away and causes the shutdown dialog to not appear [10:03] mvo: seb128 said it's due to something in the session startup which doesn't terminate properly [10:03] pitti: yeah, I noticed that too [10:03] pitti: I don't recommend UBIQUITY_DEBUG=1 any more, by the way - ubiquity --debug is easier [10:04] cjwatson: ah, ok; I'll first try whether I can reproduce it in vmware [10:04] What do we actually do when we "Check CD for defects"? Check that the info in Packages correspond to the .debs? Anything else? [10:04] shawarma: md5sum -c [10:04] there's a big md5sum list on the CD [10:04] Ah [10:05] Clever :) [10:05] stgraber: pong === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] cjwatson: I just reopened bug 114296, btw; is apt-install restricted to packages which are already on the live system? [10:06] Launchpad bug 114296 in restricted-manager "running restricted-manager before installation can break system" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114296 [10:07] cjwatson: when I uploaded r-m, I only ran the script to see that the executed apt-install commands are correct; however, yesterday I wasn't able to check whether the script was not ran in the first place, or apt-install didn't do anything [10:07] mvo: session splash hang happens in vmware for me; can you reproduce that/ [10:07] ? [10:07] pitti: it's not supposed to be, but ubiquity may be buggy there *shrug* [10:08] pitti: Ah, right. Thanks. [10:08] pitti: I'd suggest closing the restricted-manager task and reopening the ubiquity task [10:08] mvo: also, there were a lot of people yesterday who still suffered eternal login loops due to crashing session [10:08] cjwatson: ok === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] pitti: I saw the eternal login loop thing on a daily image from a few days ago. The daily from yesterday worked fine. [10:10] mvo: it seems that the blacklist is still not big enough [10:10] hey seb128 [10:10] hi mvo pitti === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-870ba135d1b5a4b0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] mvo: but we have to do something about it, we shouldn't ship a broken tribe-2 to 1/3 of testers [10:11] mvo: can we turn this into a driver whitelist for now? [10:11] Hobbsee: you know that ubiquity already does attempt to disable automounting, right? [10:11] Hobbsee: so chances are KDE broke that ... [10:11] cjwatson: i didnt, but oK. [10:11] cjwatson: kde just offers the chance to mount the drive and such [10:11] pitti: are their more details on the crashes/hangs? [10:11] it may be it doesn't disable it for long enough [10:12] so i guess what you really want to do is to go "do nothing", and do it all the time. [10:12] ubiquity calls 'dcop kded kded unloadModule medianotifier' before partitioning [10:12] mvo: unfortunately not; I asked LaserJock to file bugs on it [10:12] I suspect it loads it again too soon === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-211.net-81-220-127.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] how about I adjust that and we'll see if that helps [10:12] mvo: and milestone them, but there are no new milestone bugs ATM [10:12] cjwatson: worht trying [10:12] mvo: I heard it from about three different people on IRC [10:14] cjwatson: so, ubiquity manual hang didn't happen in vmware, so I guess it's specific to my disk layout; if noone else complains, we can just leave it like that for the tribe [10:14] okay, kubuntu was all good until it actually runs from the hard drive. [10:14] hey seb128 [10:14] a) it doesnt start X, b) i get "bash: /dev/null Permission Denied" [10:15] Eek. [10:15] which may be VM specific, i'm nto sure [10:15] Hobbsee: I bet some loony maintainer script replaced /dev/null with a regular file [10:15] happens from time to time and we have to go and beat things [10:15] cjwatson: this si a clean install? [10:16] sure? [10:16] I mean, that doesn't exclude the possibility [10:16] well, they were both clean installs, in a VM. one took the entire disk, and the other auto-resized. [10:16] right, true [10:17] is a virtual pc 2007 setup is considered a valid system spec? [10:18] mvo: I have a running '/bin/sh /usr/bin/compiz' here in vmware; could that be the reason for the hang? the script that doesn't terminate? [10:19] pitti: I'm looking into it now [10:19] mvo: hm, killing that doesn't help at least [10:19] Hobbsee: the problem you describe (assuming that /dev/null is really a regular file rather than a character device; please check) is unlikely to be truly hardware-dependent [10:20] cjwatson: that question is unrelated, sorry. [10:20] ok [10:21] mvo: ah, it hanged on gnome-wm [10:21] seb128: ^ [10:21] that takes a minute to 'connect to the session' until the other programs in the session are called and logout dialog etc. work [10:21] (I was watching gnome-session-properties) [10:21] pitti: do you have the new gnome-session where mvo removed the gtk-window-decorator call? [10:22] seb128: I have the latest CDs, which have the latest packages [10:22] 2.19.4-0ubuntu3 [10:22] k, so I don't know, mvo tracked that bug yesterday and he said it was due to the gtk-window-decorator call [10:22] yep, changelog says so [10:22] I didn't get the bug when I tried the CD yesterday [10:23] I'm rsync the CD update atm [10:23] seb128: did you try it on hardware which has compiz by default? [10:23] yes [10:23] ah, that might be it then [10:23] I've no hardware where compiz doesn't work [10:23] vmare doesn't, and on my nvidia system it doesn't eitehr [10:24] seb128: vmware :) [10:24] I need to install that one day ;) [10:24] I've no real use for it though === mvo can reproduce it now [10:25] can we boot an iso with the vmware-player package? [10:25] seb128, not a regular iso [10:25] there needs to be some additional files afaik [10:25] vmx and stuff [10:25] need a real vmware for that then? [10:26] seb128: yes, workstation [10:26] pitti, could he try with virtualbox? [10:26] Should serve same purpose [10:26] sure [10:26] seb128, use virtualbox [10:26] seb128: I think server can do it to, we have packages for it [10:26] seb128: player can only start already existing machines [10:26] seb128, it's open source, and you can start iso [10:26] mvo, indeed, but virtualbox might be easier [10:27] seb128, http://www.virtualbox.org/download/1.4.0/virtualbox_1.4.0-21864_Ubuntu_feisty_i386.deb === NeilW [n=neil@84.13.88.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] pygi: thanks === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi should package that for gutsy [10:28] pygi: the virtualbox people want to submit it themselves [10:28] Hobbsee, o well. [10:28] let them do it then [10:30] seb128, yw [10:30] that would be good to have it in the repos, I distrust webpage's packages as a rule [10:30] Admiral_Chicago, ^_^ [10:31] pitti: can you reproduce bug 121228 ? [10:31] Launchpad bug 121228 in network-manager "[gutsy] segfault retrieving passphrase for WiFi network" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121228 [10:32] asac, wasn't that the guy using vanilla n-m? [10:32] asac: I don't have an encrypted wifi here [10:32] pygi: yes but he could verifiy with our package as well ... and there are already lots of dupes === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] pygi: no, we have so many dups about that that I don't believe that === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] pitti: i found something in gnome-keyring which might be related: bug 122502 [10:33] Launchpad bug 122502 in gnome-keyring "[PATCH] memory leak + error handling glitch in gnome-keyring-proto.c:gnome_keyring_proto_decode_find_reply" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122502 [10:33] asac: well, there are some encrypted wifis from some neighbour; can I test it without knowing the passphrase? [10:34] asac: I just had a try on a wpa2 network and entered a bogus passphrase, it doesn't crash here [10:34] asac: and the dialog doesn't offer me to save it in the keyring (it probably wants to validate it first) [10:35] asac: You are the one working on compiz right ? === Hobbsee wants a big "nuke $user from every ubuntu channel on freenode" button === dholbach [n=daniel@dslb-088-073-074-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] morning dholbach! [10:37] hi dholbach! [10:37] re [10:37] hi mvo :) === thekorn_ [n=thekorn@130.75.237.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach hugs Hobbsee === dholbach hugs thekorn_ too === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti hugs Keybuk === Hobbsee hugs dholbach :) [10:38] mvo: so, what do you blacklist ATM? just vga|vesa|nv? [10:38] mvo: ... |vmware? === thekorn_ hugs dholbach [10:39] pitti: vga|vesa|nv [10:39] pitti: vmware does not make it through the glxinfo test === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] sorry ... dsl hick-ups [10:39] mvo: ah, cool [10:40] asac_: sorry, I didn't ping the right person it seems :) [10:40] k === Keybuk hugs pitti [10:40] mvo: ok, so we need to talk to LaserJock and wasabi about their failures [10:41] hiya Keybuk [10:41] pitti: that is why I'm so interested in people with failures, to know what glxinfo, xdpyinfo etc they have [10:42] mvo: so, we probably have to confine it a lot in the future and just live with the fact that tribe2 is screwed for many people [10:42] mvo: so the only thing that still worries me RC-wise on my list is that session hang [10:43] dholbach: (for catching up): I watched gnome-session-properties while starting, and it needs a minute to connect to the session; that's what's blocking the splash screen and the logout dialog [10:43] dholbach: (and blocking all subsequent programs which also want to be started in the session) [10:44] clicking on the splash makes it go away for me [10:44] does reverting to the last gnome-session version help? === mvo has a GSM_VERBOSE_DEBUG print is anyone is interessted [10:47] mvo: right, but it doesn't fix the session connection hang of gnome-wm [10:48] dholbach: not likely, usually those bugs are due to a program not registering correctly and making the session wait [10:48] seb128: ah ok [10:48] mvo: ah, the '/bin/sh /usr/bin/compiz' process is due to /usr/bin/compiz forgetting to use 'exec' for running metacity === Admiral_Chicago waits for his hugs. [10:48] mvo: I just added that; it doesn't help the hang, though [10:49] pitti: yeah, I noticed that too [10:49] oops, chanaged the background on the wrong bug report.... === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-074-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick pokes in greeting === LongPointyStick is BAAAACK!!! === shawarma hugs Admiral_Chicago [10:52] \0/ [10:53] mvo, seb128: is this reasoning correct: while gnome-wm is shown as connecting in gnome-session-properties, there is no gnome-wm process, thus /usr/bin/gnome-wm already finished and exec'ed compiz; there is no compiz process (after fixing the exec line from above), so it already exec'ed metacity [10:53] I think it is [10:54] mvo, seb128: metacity process is running, but it doesn't have a --sm-client-id argument [10:54] not good [10:54] can that be the fault? doesn't /usr/bin/compiz need to pass the session ID to metacity or so? [10:54] could be yes === pbn [i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti pokes [10:54] thanks for the hug shawarma [10:55] now I can sleep easy [10:55] hm, "exec 2>/tmp/out; set -x" should work, right? === asac hugs Admiral_Chicago too [10:55] Hum, doesn't that reexec the current script? [10:56] hehe, asac i've got a clean install of kubuntu and ubunt feisty. [10:56] 2 days old each so if you need testing, on a clean build ler mt know === NeilW [n=neil@84.13.88.153] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:57] seb128: does "--sm-client-id default0" look like a valid SID? [10:57] Admiral_Chicago: if you can, upgrade to gutsy and see if gnome-applet crashes for your wifi setup ;) [10:57] StevenK: ho, why? [10:57] no, even [10:58] pitti: I thought it did, is all. [10:58] its not my computer, its my sister's laptop. also, still not connecting very well to the internet [10:58] pitti: yes [10:58] seb128: cause in my production system they have names like 117f000001000118252706300000156690007 [10:59] so /usr/bin/gnome-wm passes it correctly to /usr/bin/compiz [11:00] pitti: /usr/share/gnome/default.session uses "gnome-wm --sm-client-id default0" === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 hugs pitti [11:02] bug #122519 [11:02] Launchpad bug 122519 in deluge-torrent "deluge cra shed with ImportError in find_class()" (dup-of: 121836)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122519 [11:02] Launchpad bug 121836 in deluge-torrent "deluge crashed with ImportError in find_class()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121836 [11:02] " Apport retracing service (275) marked as duplicate 121836" [11:02] autoduping in action ;) [11:02] woot! [11:03] pitti: I have the fix, its indeed the missing argument passing :/ [11:04] mvo: oh, I am this --><-- close to it as well; it forgot to pass "$@" in two places [11:04] pitti: you gave me all the good clues :) but two places? where is the other one? [11:04] pitti: FALLBACKWM_OPTIONS misses it [11:05] mvo: ah, that would work, too :) I explicitly added it to the two places which call it [11:06] pitti: want me to upload it right away or wait for reports on falures so that the blacklist/whitelist can be improved? [11:07] mvo: please upload [11:07] mvo: two uploads are cheap; it's CD respins which are expensive [11:07] cjwatson, evand: is parted maintained in bzr? [11:08] mvo: so, adding $@ after the "--replace helped here [11:09] pitti: cool, uploading the fix now [11:09] I have a really weird problem on the amd64 LAMP install.. [11:09] mvo: can you also add the three missing exec calls [11:09] mvo: ? [11:10] mvo: two on the last line and one in abort_with_fallback_wm()? [11:10] pitti: sure, just reject my last upload then [11:10] libapache2-mod-php5 is not installed(!). apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php5 clearly says "Task: lamp-server". "apt-get isntall lamp-server^" says that all its packages are installed (but libapache2-mod-php5 is not on that list). wtf? [11:10] mvo: rejected === heno sees this bug in vbox too, but it installs fine apart from that [11:12] pitti: the last line "compiz.real || metacity" would not work when I "exec compiz || metacity" AFAICS, only "compiz || exec metacity" [11:12] exec compiz || exec metacity ? [11:12] Won't work. [11:12] I don't think that will work as intended [11:13] mvo: "compiz.real || exec metacity"? [11:13] the first "compiz" needs to stay [11:13] yeah [11:13] pitti: yes [11:13] probably, yes [11:13] ugly, but not the default case anyway [11:13] pitti: I added the other two though, thanks! [11:13] fabbione: no, just plain source packages [11:13] darn, I missed to disable the publisher [11:13] cjwatson: ok thanks [11:14] Can someone with a clue lend me a hand with that libapache2-mod-php5 thing? [11:14] mvo: wrt. blacklist, let's keep it that way for tribe-2 and put something into the release notes how to report errors [11:14] shawarma: is it on the CD at all? [11:15] pitti: ok, that sounds good. I will draft something [11:15] mvo: do we have an easy way to disable compiz? (easier than hammering killall gdm?) [11:15] pitti: Yup. [11:15] pitti: seb128 asked me to disable expose on click on the top-right corner. fix is trivial, do you want a upload for this too? [11:16] mvo: what does it break? [11:16] pitti: currently not :/ save graphics mode as it would use vesa and that makes compiz not run [11:16] (except for being absolutely undiscoverable :) ) [11:16] pitti: regardless, if apt-get install lamp-server^ says everything is installed, and apt-cache show libapache-mod-php5 says it's part of lamp-server, but it's not installed, by head blows up. [11:16] pitti: go to the top-right, corner and click, instead of activating the session dialog you get this weird zoom [11:16] pitti: people might get confused when trying to click on the logout button in the top-right. but it can wait after tribe-2 too [11:16] seb128: ah, I see [11:16] pitti: it just conflicts with the button [11:16] seb128, mvo: fine for me [11:17] mvo: is this in compiz as well? [11:17] or another package? [11:17] pitti: compizconfig0 [11:18] libcompizconfig [11:18] :) [11:18] mvo: ok, please get it in [11:18] mvo: I cannot start another publisher before 11:40 anyway [11:20] we have another window open for getting urgent fixes into the ubuntu CDs; if you have something, please speak up *now* [11:21] pitti: Well.. [11:21] pitti: Not having libapache2-mod-php5 in a LAMP install is rather unfortunate. [11:21] shawarma: I agree [11:22] cjwatson: any idea about that tasks issue? ^ [11:22] I have *no* clue why it doesn't work though. === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] cjwatson: Short version. libapache2-mod-php5 is not installed when choosing LAMP server on amd64 server CD. apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php5 says "Task: lamp-server", but "apt-get install lamp-server^" says all packages are installed (and it doesn't list libapache2-mod-php5) [11:24] shawarma: check the task headers on the CD? [11:24] asac: the gnome-keyring fix doesn't happen to fix n-m by any chance? :) [11:25] Mithrandir: I assume you mean the Packages file on the CD.. It looks fine. It's got Task: lamp-server for libapache2-mod-php5. [11:26] shawarma: hm, ok, weird. [11:26] Mithrandir: Very much so. [11:26] Mithrandir: It worked fine on the i386 install. [11:27] shawarma: I blame apt [11:27] cjwatson: That's even worse.. [11:28] pitti: i hope it does ... because i found it when following the codepath in keyring ... howveer i don't have a tester atm :/ [11:28] libapache2-mod-php5 has Task: lamp-server in the archive too [11:28] anyone with encrypted wifi setup who sees nm applet crash ... step up :) [11:28] does anyone have an encrypted wifi? [11:28] mvo: help [11:29] hello cjwatson, what is wrong? [11:29] mvo: that's your tribe release From HELL === pitti hugs mvo [11:29] mvo: see shawarma's task comment above === mvo goes back to bed [11:29] pitti: i will ask on -motu as well [11:29] mvo: Short version: libapache2-mod-php5 is not installed when choosing LAMP server on amd64 server CD. apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php5 says "Task: lamp-server", but "apt-get install lamp-server^" says all packages are installed (and it doesn't list libapache2-mod-php5) [11:30] shawarma: hmm i am checking sparc. i have a LAMP server install just done.. but i might not have noticed that [11:30] seb128: can you do the libcompizconfig change as well? mvo is a bit busy [11:30] tasksel just calls apt-get install TASK^, BTW [11:30] shawarma: ok, I can debug this, I need a current server CD? it seems to work on my regular system [11:30] pitti: looking at it [11:31] fabbione: Alright. I just tossed a .php file with '' in /var/www. [11:31] mvo: amd64. [11:31] mvo: Works fine on i386. [11:31] mvo: Thaaat's right. [11:31] shawarma: yeah.. i will just check the config files.. [11:31] shawarma: downloading a image then, it seems to be working on my amdt64 workstation === txwikinger2 [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] hm, sudo apt-get install lamp-server^ fetches libapache2-mod-php5 here, too; something CD specific then [11:32] seb128: please bzr update, I commited the changes, just did not test them .) and was wondering if ctrl-f9 will still invoke scale and why compiz has a different default key thatn my installed system [11:32] pitti: It still doesn't work after apt-get update.. [11:33] shawarma, mvo: sparc looks good [11:33] ii libapache2-mod 5.2.3-1ubuntu1 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag [11:33] (and checked also config files) [11:33] shawarma: downloading, no worries - we will hunt that one down :) [11:33] It looks fine on my workstation as well. [11:33] shawarma: s/LAMP/LAM/ in the description? :) [11:34] HAHA [11:34] or just devote it to Perl [11:34] pitti: or passwd [11:34] :) [11:34] "Tribe 2 now greatly improves the security of the default LAMP install" === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] [11:34] Bwahahaha [11:34] pitti: ROFL === mvo grumbles that InstallTask is about the only thing in apt that you can't pass -o DebugMeHarder === pygi quickly hacks it in for mvo [11:37] asac: hm, now I wonder whether I should build compiz and then new CDs right now, or wait a little on that bug fix [11:37] pitti: maybe i have found a tester [11:38] asac: do you have a rough ETA? did you test the fix with other gnome-keyring applications to check for regressions? like gnome-gpg and mounting encrypted file sytems? [11:38] pitti: please wait a few ... if have testers that definitly see the crash [11:38] dholbach for instance :) [11:39] asac: ok; this is highly important, so delaying for an hour is justified [11:39] pitti: i don't use encrypted fs here ... gnome-gpg I can test ... but what do i do with that? [11:39] asac: I can't test it right now [11:39] dholbach: yeah ... but you will go home soon :) [11:39] asac: do you have amd64 packages somewhere? I can test both here [11:39] pitti: i can push in a minute [11:40] asac: or debdiff, or patch; anything [11:40] debiff is in bug [11:40] ah, right [11:40] asac: I'll build it here then [11:40] pitti: do you have bug number [11:40] ? [11:40] asac: yes, got it from backscroll [11:40] its out of my clipboard :/ [11:40] great [11:40] bug 122502 [11:41] Launchpad bug 122502 in gnome-keyring "[PATCH] memory leak + error handling glitch in gnome-keyring-proto.c:gnome_keyring_proto_decode_find_reply" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122502 [11:41] OMG [11:42] hey ogra [11:42] 20070626.2 has 22M free [11:42] asac: I'll clean it up to be a proper patch [11:42] GAH [11:42] ogra: is that a catastrophe? [11:42] i could have included the -dri stuff [11:42] ogra: NB that I need to rebuild the edubuntu CDs [11:42] pitti: ? [11:42] well, after tribe2 [11:42] ogra: your debdiff patches it inline [11:42] ?? [11:42] ogra: we have an updated compiz and libcompizconfig which affects edubuntu, too [11:43] pitti: what is the problem with that patch? [11:43] ah, ok [11:43] ogra: hanging splash screen and broken logout dialog [11:43] ogra: so if you want to change edubuntu-meta for -dri, please do it right now [11:43] asac: it should be a debian/patches/ thing [11:43] pitti: keyring has no patch system afaik [11:43] pitti: which is why i did it that way [11:43] well, if thats still an option i'll re-add ist to ldm .... [11:43] asac: include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk [11:43] asac: it just doesn't have patches ATM :) [11:44] err. ltsp-client sorry [11:44] yeah ... take the patch from upstream bug ... or just strip the changelog [11:44] ogra: hm, I'd really prefer if you added it to desktop-recommends [11:44] ogra: see the corresponding change in the ubuntu seeds [11:44] pitti, then it doesnt get installed on thin clients ... hmm, ok i'll find a workaround for that later [11:45] ogra: oh, I see [11:45] ogra: you don't have a metapackage with Recommends: for thin clients, do you? [11:45] i could make one ... [11:45] note thats not urgent for tribe2 or something [11:45] ogra: adding it to ldm is a bit bad since then you cannot uninstall it any more if you don't need it [11:46] ogra: ok; maybe fill them with langpacks instead then :) [11:46] no, it was a dep of ltsp-client .... === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] which means you install it only in thin client chroots [11:46] ltsp-client inst installable on normal systems [11:46] *isnt === Bixente [i=bixente@vds67917.nfrance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:47] i'll add -dri to have it on the cd ... it just doesnt help the ltsp case this way atm [11:48] s/add -dri/add -dri to desktop.recommends/ [11:49] hmm [11:50] does anyone else see a directory here ? [11:50] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.gutsy/ [11:50] asac: that patch looks straightforward at least [11:50] (i know there is a typo in the url, but i dont think i should see a dir) [11:50] ogra: no, it's 'desktop' [11:50] ogra: recommends come from packages in parentheses [11:50] ogra: look into the ubuntu seeds [11:50] i know [11:51] sorry, my fault [11:51] ogra: that dir just has a .bzr in it, no working tree [11:52] still, i should likely rather see a launchpad page or so ... [11:52] not a plain apache dir listing [11:52] ogra: use codebrowse then :) [11:52] ogra: it's always been like that. maybe you're thinking of code.launchpad.net [11:53] cjwatson, yes. thats where i came from ... and thought i could just change the url to get to the LP page of the branch [11:53] which then got me to that page [11:53] Which package takes care of setting the env variables for the shell ? [11:53] you can, s/bazaar/code/ [11:54] txwikinger2: the shell itself [11:54] so bash for bash? [11:54] oh and libpam-runtime does a couple of them [11:54] but as a general rule packages shouldn't require environment variables to set in order to work properly, so there isn't a need for too much fancy stuff there [11:54] s/to set/to be set/ [11:55] pitti: yeah the patch definitly fixes bugs ... maybe i have a tester in -motu ... so stay tuned [11:55] asac: building package now, and giving it some tests [11:56] mvo, seb128: is either of you tackling the libcompizconfig change? [11:56] pitti: I'm looking at it [11:57] the change made by mvo seems to be not working, investigating why [11:59] seb128: did you restarted compiz? it seems to be needed [11:59] mvo: yes, I restarted the session and removed .gconf/apps also === JanDM [n=JanDM@proxy-6.kliksafe.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] Sigh. [11:59] hrm :/ [11:59] Neither VirtualBox or VMware seem to support long mode. [12:00] seb128: new gnome-keyring works fine for gnome-gpg and encrypted gnome-mount here [12:00] erm, I mean asac ^ [12:01] seb128: sorry, autofingers for m/gnome/ :) [12:01] pitti: ok lets wait for feedback on nm applet crash ... thanks [12:01] pitti: the tracker doesn't allow me to add an extra entry for stuff already tested but Niagara is good too [12:01] pitti: motu is testing atm :) [12:01] fabbione: you can change it in the comment field; but thanks [12:01] asac: \o/ [12:01] carlos: could you check bug 106756, ie. feisty translation template problem? it'd be nice to get translations for the next update. [12:01] Launchpad bug 106756 in gnome-app-install ""Search for suitable codec" dialog not translated/translatable" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106756 [12:02] asac: mind if I just upload the package myself? I gave you full credit in the changelog :) === JanDM [n=JanDM@proxy-6.kliksafe.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] asac: but I rather have it properly patchified and such [12:02] pitti: go ahead ... i am not a credits whore [12:02] pitti: close the LP bug :) [12:02] in changelog [12:03] asac: ok, I uploaded it and just keep it in the unapproved queue, to reduce the response time [12:03] asac: I did [12:03] asac: well, I closed #122502, let's close the other one manually [12:04] mvo: Crap, it's reproducable. [12:05] Mirv: let me see... [12:09] shawarma, mvo: I wonder why this only affects amd64 then; is there something different on the CD itself? [12:10] shawarma: I can reproduce it here too, look at it now [12:11] mvo: If I remove the cdrom from sources.list, and do apt-get install lamp-server^ it wants to pull in libapache2-mod-php5... Interesting. [12:11] shawarma: oh? that is indeed interessting [12:12] mvo: And if I put it back in, it goes back to not wanting to install it. It's definitely a CD-related issue. [12:12] Mirv: bug updated [12:12] carlos: thanks. === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] pitti: tester says it doesn't cure him :/ [12:25] asac_: bah [12:25] unfortunate :) [12:25] mvo, pitti: I figured what was the compiz problem, testing change now [12:26] asac_: so, what would be so wrong about checking for NULL in the applet? [12:27] pitti: i think it would cure the crash ... but it will hide the real problem (if there is any) [12:27] asac_: that is easy and straightforward and at least avoids the crash; question is whether it actually makes those wifis work, of course [12:27] seb128: what exactly was the problem (just curious) [12:27] pitti: right ... let me check if the code in applet has changed [12:27] asac_: hiding problem> right, but if it makes n-m work for tribe-2, it's more than good enough :) [12:27] seb128: or was it local to your install only? [12:27] pitti: maybe its really an applet regression === sandgroper [n=tomubunt@58.179.212.95] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] asac_: can you ask your tester to give this a whirl? === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [12:28] mvo: compiz-0.5.1+git20070618/debian/compiz-gnome.gconf-defaults [12:28] asac_: we don't have time to fix the real problem in the keyring now === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] mvo: [12:28] /apps/compiz/plugins/scale/allscreens/options/initiate_edgebutton 1 [12:28] pitti: yes ... have to provide packages though as he cannot build without net ... so he is on sid atm [12:28] :) [12:28] /apps/compiz/plugins/scale/allscreens/options/initiate_key F9 [12:28] asac_: he needs i386? [12:28] pitti: let me look at the applet code of 0.6.4 ... then i fix and build package for him [12:29] pitti: no amd64 [12:29] fortunately :) [12:29] asac_: ah, fine; I can help out with building then, too === `anthony [n=anthony@203-214-31-175.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] asac: want me to build test packages with that patch? [12:31] pitti: its not a regression in applet.c ... old code just dereferences without NULL check as well [12:31] mvo: You're on the lamp-server bug? If so, I'll try to get some work done. :) [12:31] pitti: you do your rm stuff ... i build [12:31] asac: ok, appreciated [12:34] shawarma: yes, I have a fix here, but I currently trying to understand why its triggered in this situation === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] mvo: What's the fix? [12:39] shawarma: it looks its a bug in the regexp that scans the pkgRecords for the task, but I wonder why it is triggered for exactly *this* package [12:39] and only on amd64 [12:42] mvo: are you sure that the patch fixes the bug? [12:42] mvo: I need to hurry up a little, upload to new CDs takes 2 hours [12:45] pitti: I'm pretty confident, but give me 10-15 min to be sure [12:45] mvo: alright, thanks === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] mvo: could you help me with bzr, [12:52] ? [12:53] mvo: I've the changes ready for compiz but commit doesn't work, cf query :/ [12:54] seb128: can I help you? === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yetanothername [n=viktor@81-236-245-163-no28.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] hey jono [12:56] /exit === yetanothername [n=viktor@81-236-245-163-no28.tbcn.telia.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:56] ogra: so, you don't want another edubuntu-meta after all? [12:56] heya pitti [12:56] pitti, right === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] pitti: pushed to bzr and uploaded [01:00] pitti: its verified to fix our issues [01:00] and wireless works [01:00] asac_: yay, does it work? he can connect to the wep wifi? [01:00] sorry was offline again :( === pitti gives asac_ a big hug [01:00] pitti: yes [01:00] pitti: previously it crashed ... not it works [01:00] pitti: package is already uploaded [01:01] asac_: so, I propose to add an open gnome-keyring task to that bug, just to not forget about the root cause [01:01] and close the applet one with the upload [01:01] pitti: right ... how can i refer to the existing gnome-keyring bug? [01:01] asac_: is there one? [01:02] ah right [01:02] :) [01:02] of course there isn't [01:02] sorry [01:02] :) === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] asac_: accepted; so we'll close the apport one manually then [01:03] pitti: yes === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] pitti: that's ok, thanks, mvo replied in query [01:03] pitti: btw, can we change auto-dupe detection like this: search for dupe in database ... if there is a bug either use that as master ... or if that bug is already marked as dupe use the original one? [01:03] seb128: When we did that disk full testing at uds, did you fill the disk as a normal user or as root ? [01:03] asac_: does it need that gnome-keyring fix, too? I wonder whether I should accept it now [01:03] iwj: root [01:03] pitti: in this way we can just merge in the first crash report into existing reports [01:04] pitti: Are we still in that window? === RAOF_ [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] without e.g. needing to redupe 190 bugs for some firefox crashes [01:04] asac_: yes, I think that's possible; can you please create an apport bug about that? [01:04] pitti: will do [01:04] seb128: I think that something must get removed during reboot then. [01:04] pitti: just apport? [01:04] StevenK: closing rapidly, as soon as seb128 uploads the compiz fix, I'll start the publisher [01:04] iwj: why? [01:04] asac_: yes, that's fine [01:04] I just did a similar test (but with the tmpfs on /tmp fix) and it's pretty badly broken. [01:04] pitti: Ah. RAOF_ mentioned getting kvm fixed for tribe-2 [01:05] RAOF_: How long to get it ready for upload? [01:05] StevenK: if you have an existing tested patch, please show it to me and get it uploaded ASAP === RAOF_ was just about to say that. The bug in question is #122113 [01:05] looking [01:05] StevenK: It's done, just needs pushing. [01:06] RAOF_: Point me at the source. [01:06] bug #122113 [01:06] Launchpad bug 122113 in kvm "[Merge] Please merge kvm-28-4 from Debian Unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122113 [01:07] RAOF_, StevenK: oh, that's universe and not subject to freeze; please go ahead and upload [01:07] Ask a stupid question... [01:07] pitti: Aye, will do in a few seconds. [01:07] StevenK: That's what you're after, yes? If you wanted to be super thorough, you might want to test it on i386 :) === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] seb128: Indeed, my tests confirm: if you fill the disk up with the system booted and then reboot, it works fine. [01:07] RAOF_: I don't have a i386 that has hardware virt. [01:08] asac: not sure whether you saw this: asac_: does it need that gnome-keyring fix, too? I wonder whether I should accept it now [01:08] Even my amd64 doesn't, sadly. [01:08] But if you shut down, and then mount the fs from another install and fill it, and then boot, it breaks badly. [01:08] asac: i. e. did your tester check it with the updated gnome-keyring or with the archive one? [01:08] pitti: I was the (at least one of the) tester. I tried it with both, and it doesn't seem to need the updated gnome-keyring [01:09] RAOF_: ah, thanks [01:09] asac's probably lost somewhere in the labarynth of his isp :/ [01:09] Heh === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] seb128: so bzr is not blocking you any more? :) good [01:10] RAOF_: Closes: -> LP: [01:10] pitti: no, I was trying to checkout from code.launchpad.net which doesn't work [01:11] RAOF_: Want me to fix that? The rest looks okay. [01:11] StevenK: What? It closes #122113, 119254. [01:12] RAOF_: (Closes: #bug) is a Debian-ism. It's (LP: #bug) [01:12] pitti, mvo: compiz uploaded [01:12] StevenK: Aaargh. Yes. Please fix that! [01:12] seb128: thanks [01:12] mvo: you're welcome [01:12] StevenK: You should probably also add (LP: #122113) === pitti hugs seb128 [01:12] pitti: apt is test-building here, should be ready for upload RSN === StevenK nods. [01:13] mvo: ok; do you want to have it on the ubuntu CDs as well? If it's just for the server CDs, I'd rather start a publisher now [01:13] mvo: then you can have more time for tests [01:13] pitti: its a bit of a corner case, so server should be fine [01:14] mvo: ok, putting it only on server then === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] seb128: the empty line in debian/compiz-gnome.gconf-defaults doesn't hurt, no? [01:16] pitti: no, it doesn't, it was already there [01:17] lunch time [01:18] seb128: enjoy! [01:18] seb128: checkout from code.launchpad.net is supposed to work, I think [01:18] might want to check with the LP team [01:19] cjwatson: it does [01:19] pitti: kvm uploaded, accept at your leisure. === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@cable-85.28.95.83.coditel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atreju [n=atreju@87-239-96-129-dsl.qfast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ [n=d33p@21.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] dholbach, a doubt: [01:28] dholbach, i'm writing a vnc client well integrated to gnome, which i guess will not get in time to 2.20 [01:28] dholbach, maybe it'll be as part of vino, maybe not [01:28] if not, we could package it and have it in universe, so people can test it and play with it [01:28] what do you think? [01:28] dholbach, yep, that's my doubt ;) [01:29] what doubt do you have? [01:29] dholbach, if it could be packaged into universe [01:29] no problem === StevenK_ [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] once you have a release tarball, file a needs-packaging request and maybe ask on ubuntu-motu@ to find somebody to package it - if you don't want to do it on your own === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates for more info on 'needs-packaging' === StevenK_ is now known as StevenK [01:30] dholbach, i prefer to concentrate in development [01:30] right-o [01:30] dholbach, upload a new package is boring :( [01:31] alright, well then file a bug and ask people on ubuntu-motu@ for help with that [01:31] dholbach, ok, thanks! [01:32] pitti: apt is uploaded, I got for lunch now [01:34] pitti: does "bzr checkout sftp://$YOUR_LP_ID@code.launchpad.net/~compiz/compiz/ubuntu/" work for you? === sn0 [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] seb128: should it? pitti isn't in compiz team === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-221-60.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] asac: well, I'm in the compiz team and that timeout, using bazaar.launchpad.net for the checkout works fine though === phoenix24 [i=uaa@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] cjwatson: Why do we stick with openssh 4.3? [01:50] seb128: ah ... yes code.lp.net never worked for me iirc === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] cjwatson: I'm an idiot. Never mind. === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenix24 [i=xzznc@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waves === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.40.152.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] Hi, Hobbsee! [02:00] hi Hobbsee [02:01] shawarma: we don't ;-) [02:03] :) === dendrobates [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawarma hugs himself [02:05] hmmmm [02:05] something has changed behavior... [02:05] It's Hobbsee. She's been here for ten minutes and haven't poked anyone with her scary stick yet. [02:06] seb128: ah, I usually use 'bzr get http://code....', that works fine [02:06] she's not scary, she just pretends to be. :-P [02:06] pitti: you can't commit then though [02:06] mvo: thanks! [02:07] seb128: right, you need to use bzr push with an URL then; I'm not sure if I ever tried to push to code.lp.net [02:07] seb128: hm, my branches have 'publish to branch: sftp://bazaar' [02:07] pitti: use bazaar.launchpad.net I can checkout and then commit === Hobbsee pokes Mithrandir repeatedly [02:08] shawarma: that's because i was grabbing dinner as well, and am dealing in release stuff. [02:08] pitti: I don't want to branch === Hobbsee attacks shawarma with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so he doesnt feel left out === pygi eats Hobbsee [02:08] seb128: I usually do, so that I can commit offline and push in one chunk; but that's entirely up to your preference [02:08] Um... yay? :/ [02:08] :) === Hobbsee shrugs off pygi's attempt [02:09] Mithrandir: you're just disappointed that you dditn get bashed up at UDS. [02:09] Hobbsee, ;) [02:09] pitti: well, I wanted to do a 3 lines changes on compiz === glatzor [n=renate@p57AED826.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] seb128: right, checkout might be more comfortable then [02:09] cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/31969 .. Why would we even consider this for openssh? Surely denying users with short passwords access is PAM's job? [02:09] Launchpad bug 31969 in openssh "Small password should not log in" [Wishlist,New] [02:10] pitti: i saw that some packages use code.lp.n in control as bzr reference ... i use bazaar.lp.net in my packages (or better of those of my motu student) ... which way to go [02:10] (i assume we should use the url that you can run bzr branch with) [02:10] shawarma: :P === aigarius [n=aigarius@87.226.72.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] Hobbsee: ;-) [02:12] asac: bzr branch/get works perfectly with http://code, and it's more convenient for clicking on and watching in firefox [02:12] Keybuk: do you happen to remember if you did change behavior of 91-skip-whole-disk.patch when merging? [02:13] Keybuk: AFAIR we did it so that the wholedisk decive was always hidden [02:13] Keybuk: but it seems like they are there again [02:13] pitti: hmmm ok ... thought it never worked for me ... but maybe i didn't try hard enough :) [02:13] fabbione: I should not have changed the behaviour ... I left your patch intact [02:13] shawarma: openssh-server ships the PAM configuration used by sshd; and sshd might reasonably want to have different authentication requirements from e.g. login since it's exposed to the network [02:13] (and it's since been merged upstream) [02:13] is the sysfs attribute there as expected [02:14] it may be that kernel behaviour changed, or udev behaviour changed, in the interpretation on that rule [02:14] cjwatson: True. So it's a discussion of whether we should do so by default? [02:15] shawarma: mostly I just reopened it because I object to the meme that wishlist bugs should be closed in favour of specifications === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] Keybuk: i don't recall if we were hiding the entire partition from the system (i am pretty sure we did) or just the uuid symlink [02:15] cjwatson: I see. [02:16] just the uuid symlink [02:16] hmm ok [02:16] cjwatson: I can put a comment in the pam conf saying how to limit access for users with short passwords... [02:16] the modification was to the persistent storage file [02:16] then it's os-prober being more anal... [02:16] yeps.. [02:16] all good [02:17] I found out why beryl was very smooth but compiz was jerky (low framerate, pauses in movement): i needed to run compiz --indirect-rendering. It might only be subjective, but it almost feels like the fresh version of compiz is even smoother than beryl. [02:17] I guess i should take a closer look at the compiz wrapper to see why it doesnt pass --indirect-rendering automatically. [02:17] meh === shawarma -> lunch === tseliot [n=tseliot@host97-254-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseliot [n=tseliot@host97-254-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] I reported it as bug #122562. [02:29] Launchpad bug 122562 in compiz "The frame rate is low, unless using --indirect-rendering" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122562 === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] pitti: on bug 122393 the auto-retracers failed miserably. it was ment as a testbug for apport hooks test and is a dupe of bug 72018 [02:35] Launchpad bug 122393 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122393 [02:35] Launchpad bug 72018 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize] [@nsFilePicker::Show] " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72018 [02:35] pitti: i will ask hjmf to retrace this manually ... to see if we get different results === sommer [n=sommer@cpe-075-183-108-021.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.59] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] ion_: let me check === computa_Mike [n=nortech@mail.nortechonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] ion_: do you have numbers? can you please install compiz-fusion-plugins-extra and enable the "benchmark" plugin with compiconfig-settings-maanager? [02:39] Having problems compiling a device driver - is this the right place? [02:39] ion_: and then compare the performance with and without the option set? [02:39] mvo: Will do. === popst1 [n=mk@c-a6cbe455.117-77-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] ion_: you can enable the benachmark plugin with super (windows) - f12 === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ [n=d33p@148.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] Am I in the wrong forum? [02:42] shawarma: I'll be covering from 14:00 to 23:00 gmt. That should give us some good tz coverage. === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ is now known as luisbg_ === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg__ [02:44] computa_Mike: This isnt really a support channel. === ct2rips [n=ct2rips@p5486B47B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] [02:44] computa_Mike: Try #ubuntu [02:45] asac: only new bugs will be considered as a duplicate; 72018 is way too old [02:45] ok - thanks === computa_Mike [n=nortech@mail.nortechonline.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:45] pitti: no [02:45] pitti: look at the backtrace [02:45] mvo: --indirect-rendering: 59.9 FPS when idle, 55 59 when typing to this terminal, as well as when switching between workspaces rapidly. The benchmark plugin itself seems to slow everything down quite a bit. My screens refresh rate is 60 Hz. Without --indirect-rendering: about 27 28 FPS when idle, 23 27 when typing. Down to 15 when switching between workspaces rapidly. [02:46] pitti: (btw, this bug is an example why i want the auto-dupe improvement) :) [02:46] ion_: that sounds good, could you please put that into the bugreport? and what driver you are using and what gfxcard [02:46] mvo: Will do. I already mentioned the driver and the card in the report. [02:46] pitti: the backtrace is just garbage [02:47] ion_: right, sorry [02:47] pitti: same for bug 122525 [02:47] Launchpad bug 122525 in firefox-granparadiso "firefox-granparadiso-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122525 [02:47] asac: oh, I see [02:47] asac: WARNING: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.5.so is needed, but cannot be mapped to a package [02:47] asac: and lots of similar stuff [02:47] why? [02:47] asac: WARNING: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so is needed, but cannot be mapped to a package [02:48] asac: that looks relevant as well [02:48] asac: I don't know [02:48] pitti: lets see what hjmf gets === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.59] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] pitti: i have the feeling that his retrace looks good [02:48] ... as always [02:48] :) [02:48] asac: something broken in the Contents.gz parsing, I need to investigate this more closely [02:48] pitti: anything i can do to boost the improvement in auto-dupe detection? [02:49] heno: how do the iso-testing reports with regard to compiz-by-default look so far? [02:49] i really have a bad feeling about un/re-duping [02:49] later === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] asac: it would require to scan all existing apport bugs, get their stack traces, and feed them through the dup checker; quite a lot of effort (entirely doable, though) [02:50] pitti: no [02:50] pitti: i say: just do as now ... but before you mark as dupe you look if the bug found in crash db has a duplicate marked === luisbg__ is now known as luisbg [02:50] pitti: in that case use that bug [02:50] s/has a duplicate marked/has been marked as duplicate/ === sjoerd [n=sjoerd@simons.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] asac: ah, right, that's much easier; as I said, please file an apport bug about this, I'll see to it after tribe [02:51] ion_: if you haven't hacked on the compiz.wrapper script already, I can give it a go now to add --indirect-rendering === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] pitti: ok ... i filed a bug already [02:51] what's the difference betwen trying this https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ and tomorrow's official release of tribe 2? [02:51] pitti: just thought i might help ... or hilario (as he likes to do python stuff) [02:51] mvo: seems to have improved after yesterday's fixes; works for me on vbox now for example [02:51] mvo: I havent modified it. [02:51] mvo: Comment posted to the report. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] luisbg: difference is that we can still change the CDs (and will) for fixing critical bugs [02:52] luisbg: but we depend on people testing the candidates and telling us about errors [02:52] ... interesting. [02:52] luisbg: you can use rsync to upgrade today's images to the final ones tomorrow [02:52] The alt installer shouldn't prompt where to install grub to, right? [02:52] asac: oh, sure, if you feel like playing with the code, please go ahead :) [02:52] we really need to make that distinction more clear somewhere === sjoerd [n=sjoerd@tunnel3460.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] StevenK: hm, only in expert mode normally [02:53] pitti: will let you know ;) [02:53] the mirrors were asking for their tribe2 ISOs too :) [02:53] pitti, ok cool, do you know anything about a network manager bug I've heard? [02:53] pitti: Not expert mode. [02:54] luisbg: crash on connecting to WEP/WPA networks? === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra pokes d-i [02:55] StevenK: it can do, depending [02:55] cjwatson: Worth a bug report? [02:55] ogra, heno, *: FYI, I trigger new ubuntu and edubuntu CDs now [02:55] StevenK: not typically [02:55] pitti, yeap [02:56] it's a legitimate case [02:56] tsk, i installed to a USB disk but had a grub error on the USB port it was plugged in after install ... i only could boot after changing the port [02:56] luisbg: that should be fixed on the CDs I'll build now [02:56] cjwatson: Okay, cool. [02:56] pitti, let me know when they are built =) === phoenix24 [i=yjlbe@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:56] pitti, so I can test them today [02:56] hello _MMA_ =) [02:56] luisbg: will do [02:57] <_MMA_> Hola [02:57] StevenK: if it can't figure out how to create boot stanzas for everything on the disk, it'll jump straight to the manual prompt for a boot device [02:57] ion_: --indirect-rendering should be working now, I just commited a fix for it to bzr [02:57] pitti, will open a new page in the laptoptesting wiki page for my laptop and gutsy... cool? [02:57] cjwatson: Right, fair enough. [02:58] luisbg: sounds good (I'm not familiar with the structure of those pages, though) [02:58] ok ok [02:59] dholbach, ping [02:59] luisbg: pong [02:59] dholbach, that was fast! LOL [02:59] was that all? :) [02:59] dholbach, you didn't attend the derivatives meeting on sunday === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] luisbg: I know - I said so by mail, that I wouldn't have time on sunday - but I read the minutes [03:00] Oh dear, I need to wait for glibc to build again. [03:00] dholbach, ahhh ok cool then === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] dholbach, you have read we created an irc channel then [03:00] So much for getting that trace data today. [03:01] hi devs. Just doing iso-testing 26.2 nm-applet is crashing out horribly I have an apport trace and am about to report the bug is there any other info you need for it? [03:01] luisbg: yeah, I did - I was just busy with all the other irc channels I'm in already [03:01] davmor2: I think there is already a stack of duplicates of nm crashers [03:01] dholbach, I understand, don't expect you to be in it [03:01] pitti: FAOD, my sysvinit upload, just done, does not need to go into Tribe 2. [03:01] davmor2: with 90% probability it's the bug that is fixed in the archive now [03:01] dholbach, just wanted to know if you have seen the small progress =) [03:01] davmor2: can you please dist-upgrade and check again? [03:01] davmor2: is that bug #121228? [03:01] Launchpad bug 121228 in network-manager "[gutsy] segfault retrieving passphrase for WiFi network" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121228 [03:01] iwj: noted [03:01] luisbg: alright - but I'm very happy the meeting went all right [03:02] dholbach, there was more attendance than I expected, to be sincere [03:02] davmor2: you can dist-upgrade on the live CD as well, FYI === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.22.82.35.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] luisbg: I'm sure the next one will be even better [03:02] dholbach, yeah, got to decide when is that happening, will send an email this sunday for that, we have to decide the frequency of the meetings [03:03] pitti: works on the cd fails after install === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] I think it is an issue with nm connecting to keyring [03:03] davmor2: dist-upgrade on the installed system and restart your session -> does that help? [03:03] luisbg: maybe we should make a call for agenda items before we decide on the meeting [03:03] davmor2: please note that you need to have archive.u.c. in apt sources; a mirror won't work === sn- [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] davmor2: that's the bug we just fixed [03:04] dholbach, yeah true [03:04] pitti: okay I'll get back to you [03:04] asac: hm, I wonder why that n-m upload didn't close the bug === aigarius [n=aigarius@87.226.72.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] pitti: because the upload is network-manager-applet and the task is on network-manager [03:05] asac: ah, did you close #121228 or #122385? [03:05] the components don't match [03:05] seb128: so he probably closed #121228 [03:05] yes [03:05] * debian/patches/01_static_network-admin.patch: fix by Peter [03:05] Clifton; adding NULL check to stop nm-applet from crashing [03:05] and make encrypted wifi work. (LP: #121228) === pkl [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl is now known as pkl_ [03:06] luisbg: I think firstly we should update the wiki and only have items in it, we're actively following [03:07] luisbg: and then go from there - lay out a structure for the knowledge base and ask people to help us filling the gaps [03:07] dholbach, OK, I finish my last exam on saturday [03:07] take your time with that :-) [03:07] dholbach, I will day a major wiki clean up and organization on sunday [03:07] and luisbg: all the best! [03:07] rock on :-) [03:07] dholbach, thanks =) [03:08] seb128: I mangled the bugs accordingly; I also added a gnome-keyring task [03:08] pitti: k [03:10] heno, luisbg, bdmurray, mvo, all: new ubuntu alternates are up for testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20070627/ [03:10] pitti, cool, will give it a try in like 2 hours === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] mvo: When the script reaches build_args, $INDIRECT is 1. [03:10] luisbg: you might want to wait for the new live CDs === naufraghi [n=naufragh@81-174-33-46.staticnet.ngi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] hello!, some hint to debug a qt4 app using libqt4-debug package? [03:12] pitti: just downloaded a nm-gnome update is that the right one [03:12] davmor2: yes [03:12] erk, since when do we ship xterm by default? and, much more importantly, why does it appear in apps -> system tools? [03:12] pitti, oops, when are the live ones coming? [03:13] luisbg: maybe 30 minutes [03:13] pitti, awesome === mrsno [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] luisbg: testing live is easier wrt. testing network-manager and compiz, but testing alternates is appreciated, too, of course [03:13] pitti: 0.6.5-0ubuntu4 correct [03:14] ion_: oh? check_tfp() should set that INDIRECT=0 if LIBGL_ALWAY_INDIRECT is set === silwol [n=silwol@194.152.122.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] davmor2: confirmed [03:14] pitti: posted [03:14] pitti, I understand === silwol [n=silwol@194.152.122.177] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:14] pitti: working but I'll just try one more reboot to make sure [03:15] mvo: ah, apt has built, publishing binaries now [03:16] mvo: glxinfo | grep GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap succeeds, so check_tfp doesnt touch INDIRECT. [03:20] ogra, heno, LaserJock: new edubuntu alternates up for testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070627/ [03:22] pitti: have autosyncs stopped already? [03:22] seb128: well, they need to be driven by hand anyway [03:22] pitti: that I know, but we have sync request about non ubuntu versions [03:23] I'm wondering if I should sync them manually [03:23] seb128: ISTR that we previously stopped them at UVF, but we have a DebianImportFreeze on the schedule now, which is already past; Keybuk? === phoenix24 [i=endggnc@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:23] if that's the case mailing ubuntu-devel-announce would be a good diea [03:23] idea [03:24] pitti, ergh [03:24] 709M ?? [03:24] seb128: ah, right, I guess DebianImportFreeze is the autosync, UVF the time until which manual syncs can be done without fuss [03:24] ogra: weird; only new versions of compiz and n-m [03:24] pitti: seem to work although I am having to type in my password for the connection each time rather than the keyring [03:24] gah [03:25] it's early to stop autosyncs :/ [03:25] /pool/main/m/mesa/libgl1-mesa-dri_6.5.3-1ubuntu1_i386.deb [03:25] when did i merge that, damned [03:25] ogra: if it's only the alternates, they are cheap to rebuild [03:25] well, i need to get rid of -dri for now [03:26] ogra: I already queued live rebuilds, I'll try to kill them === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] i dont understand how it got in, thats my prob [03:26] i just added it to the seeds 2h ago and didnt rebuild -meta [03:26] it shouldnt be there [03:27] ogra: hm, indeed [03:27] is it a dep of anthing suddenly ? [03:27] not according to apt-cache rdepends libgl1-mesa-dri [03:28] hmm [03:30] ogra: it's on the amd64 one as well, it just doesn't overflow there [03:30] yeah [03:30] well, i left it deliberately out === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] are the recommands read during cd buildtime or something ? [03:31] ogra: I am not entirely sure whether cdimage only uses ubuntu-meta or also considers the bzr seeds for building imagees === Gerrath [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] yeah, thats what i suspected, even though its the meta package ... [03:32] it shouldnt be affected by cdimage [03:32] cjwatson, Mithrandir: does cdimage consider committed seed changes which haven't been manifested in -meta? === ogra reverts the seeds [03:33] pitti: for building images, it considers the seeds - though note that removals that haven't been committed to -meta won't take effect because the metapackages will still pull them in [03:33] ah, that explains it [03:33] cjwatson: thanks [03:33] seeds and -meta should really be consistent for releases though [03:33] I wouldn't like to guarantee exactly what uses Task headers [03:34] cjwatson, it was no removal, it wasnt added to the seeds before the last meta build [03:34] i added it afterwards to not forget about it after tribe2 [03:34] pitti: DebianImportFreeze is the date to stop the manual autosyncs [03:34] meta has never seen it ... [03:35] Keybuk: right, thanks [03:35] ogra: the image build process should pull it in then [03:36] ah === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:37] pitti, seeds changed back ... can you trigger an alternate build ? [03:37] ogra: I think I need a publisher run first; still remember the last time we wondered about that? :) [03:38] ah, right [03:38] cjwatson: ^ actually, manually running cron.germinate might even be sufficient? [03:38] ogra: oh, you are lucky, the current publisher didn't run cron.germinate yet [03:38] so it'll come to that soon [03:38] take your time :) [03:39] pitti: an actual package needs to be published [03:39] ok, will do that then === pitti notes this down to not forget again [03:39] running cron.germinate isn't sufficient - the problem is getting the distroarchseries to be marked dirty so that apt-ftparchive is run === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki_ is now known as gouki [03:43] ogra: erk, sorry, edubuntu live fs are just triggered; apparently pressing ^C in bash only kills the current command in a chain, not the entire chain [03:43] well === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sn0 [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] ogra: but *shrug*, I'll build new ones after that and a publisher run [03:43] just wasted DC time ... === ogra doesnt care much about wasted bytes :) === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] [03:52] heno, mvo, luisbg, all: new ubuntu live CDs up for testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070627/ [03:52] pitti, awesome! will try in a short bit [03:54] pitti: rsyncing [03:55] pitti: I'll give it a shot in my macbook later. [03:55] pitti: posted [03:55] heno: cheers [03:55] (and syncing :) ) [03:55] heno: can you please invalidate the edubuntu server ones? [03:56] heno: they need another rebuild to kick libgl1-mesa-dri (overflow) [03:56] yep === keyes [n=keyes@easyubuntu/keyes] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:57] oh, I actually refrained from ever posting those when I saw that mentioned here [03:58] yeah they are still in rebuild state ... [03:58] ah, I see [03:58] even though 06.2 was fine [03:58] they don't even appear at all here [03:58] select edubuntu at the top :) === txwikinger2 [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:02] lamont: any luck on getting livecd-rootfs changes merged up? [04:02] lamont: I don't see anything in the branch on LP === hjmf [n=hjmf@81.Red-217-125-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] heno, shawarma, mathiaz, fabbione: new ubuntu server images up for testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20070627/ [04:07] this time, hopefully, with 'P' in LAMP for 'PHP' :) [04:08] pitti: don't forget about me :0 [04:08] dendrobates: oh, indeed :) if you have some time for testing, that would be appreciated === pitti puts the 'official server test coordinator' badge on dendrobates' chest [04:09] mathiaz is already booting them, I hope :-P === mvo rsync the server images [04:11] pitti: I see bug #122518, but are there any other issues you experienced with the installer? Are you still having the partitioner issues? [04:11] Launchpad bug 122518 in ubiquity "canceling the language support download gives confusing error message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122518 [04:11] mvo: how do the desktops look like? [04:12] mvo: Did you find out what triggered the task bug? [04:12] evand: #122518 is low-prio, of course [04:12] evand: the manual partitioner hang doesn't happen in vmware, only on my real system, I didn't hear any other reports about it, and I wasn't able to track it down [04:13] evand: UBIQUITY_DEBUG=1 made it disappear, next time I'll try with --debug (as recommended by Colin) [04:13] hrm, I did hear one other report of it, but they were unable to reproduce it. (Not sure if it's even the same issue) [04:13] ok [04:13] pitti: still burning [04:13] evand: however, I still need some time before I can try the current daily on real hw [04:13] pitti: It happened to me yesterday but the second time I tried to see if I could catch what happened, it just wnet by nicelly. [04:13] fair enough [04:13] shawarma: yes, the pkgRecord had a missing \n at the end, but not sure why this happend [04:14] today is the hug day, isn't it? [04:14] pkgRecord? [04:14] mvo: ah, that explains the \n -> $ [04:14] yes [04:14] Ah, I get it. [04:15] Not why it fails, but what you mean, that is. [04:15] mvo: Did you notice what i said about check_tfp? The texture_from_pixmap test succeeds, so INDIRECT isnt touched at all. [04:15] its still a bit mysterious [04:16] ion_: sorry. hm, it is set for me on my r200 ati system. you do not happen to run xgl, do you? [04:16] mvo: Nope, no Xgl. === hjmf [n=hjmf@81.Red-217-125-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] ion_: LIBGL_ALWAY_INDIRECT somewhere in the environment (maybe as a leftover from a earlier run?) [04:16] mvo: The output of sh -x compiz is attached to the bug report. [04:17] mvo: Nope. [04:17] ion_: hm, I will have to look closer at this then [04:17] has https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openldap2/+bug/58487 been discussed? This only applies to the version of openldap in dapper. what is the policy on upgrading packages in the LTS . [04:17] Launchpad bug 58487 in php5 "php5-ldap fails with official (chained) certificate" [Undecided,New] [04:17] ha. [04:18] I love that bot. === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8633.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] dendrobates: Look on wiki.ubuntu.com for policies on backports (new versions) and SRU (fixes to stable releases). [04:18] thx. [04:19] dendrobates: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates, in particular [04:19] dendrobates: there is /Motu/SRU, too, for universe packages [04:19] evand: do you have an idea what I could do when I encounter this? [04:19] evand: well, if you want, I'll hop on IRC while being on the live CD and get this error, to talk to you [04:20] pitti: both i386 and amd64 desktops are installing nicely here [04:20] yay [04:20] heno: I currently run amd64 alt/desktop tests in vmware, will do an amd64/live on real iron soon [04:20] (i386 in vbox amd on hw) [04:20] rock [04:21] pitti: encounter the partitioning issue? Running the installer with --debug and attaching /var/log/installer/debug, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman should be a reasonable start. [04:21] evand: right, if the hang doesn't disappear again with debugging enabled :) === phoenix24_ [i=ellksfi@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:21] heh [04:22] heno: no more troubles with hanging splash, compiz, or network-manager? === phoenix24_ is now known as phoenix24 === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] pitti: no hanging splash, n-m only tested with wired networks, compiz not expected to work on vbox (what about amd64,should it work there?) [04:25] heno: right, the fact that compiz does *not* enable on a box that doesn't support composite is the key here :) [04:25] ok, then we are good [04:25] heno: in general, compiz works on amd64, too, same hw/driver situation as on i386 === pitti bounces [04:25] finally some light at the end of the tunnel [04:25] I did have all the boot loop problems yesterday on this vbox setup [04:26] me too here (vmware and real hw) === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491D09F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ulaas [n=ulaas@ant-a5-02-asy17.ant-ro-01.superonline.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] ScottK: I just updated #58487. === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] OK. Bug triage should be discussed in #ubuntu-bugs. I am there too. [04:32] pitti: desktop-i386 on nvidia success here too === pitti hugs mvo === mvo hugs pitti back === mvo looks at the word ordering and wonder if that actually made sense [04:33] mvo: me not much mind at now time [04:34] yoda! [04:34] "Dark the other side is!" [04:34] "little endian we hate" [04:34] "Be quiet, Yoda, and eat your toast!" [04:34] mvo: is bug 122518 an apt bug? surely failed fetch shouldn't imply package in broken state === ogra always wondred about pittis ears and teint [04:34] Launchpad bug 122518 in ubiquity "canceling the language support download gives confusing error message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122518 [04:34] haha. [04:34] cjwatson: let me check [04:34] pitti: LOL [04:38] my network-manager + keyring problem is still there ;-/ [04:38] gicmo: no, it's not [04:39] gicmo: which CD version? [04:39] cd version? I am gutsy here [04:39] wants to access password for " in (null) [04:39] gicmo: ah; which network-manager-gnome version? [04:39] "Allow always" -> crash [04:40] 0.6.5-0ubuntu3 [04:40] pitti, was there yesterday night it is.... [04:40] (I just updated and rebooted, still there) [04:41] gicmo: right, that's the crashing one; you want 0.6.5-0ubuntu4 [04:41] "upgrade you must, hmm?" [04:41] pitti, where do I get it? [04:41] dark the old version is [04:41] ;-) [04:41] I gues its totally fresh and hot [04:41] guess [04:42] gicmo: yes, careful you need to be [04:42] cjwatson: is scritps/install.py responsible for installing the additional languages? (re #122518) === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535d64e6.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] gicmo: you need archive.ubuntu.com in apt sources, mirrors are too old [04:42] pitti, cant wait to go home then master... [04:42] Rosetta is sorely let down by its inability to let us translate Ubuntu into en_Yoda [04:42] i c [04:42] Keybuk, *HA* [04:42] ulaas, gicmo: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/network-manager-applet/ [04:42] ohh, brightness control also stopped working and I get tons of crash reports, fun, fun, fun [04:43] gicmo: just click on the right package there and let gdebi do its magic [04:43] pitti: thanks [04:43] Keybuk: *grin* [04:43] pitti, i thought that it was the keyring. no? [04:43] ulaas: it looks like keyring + nm interaction here [04:44] ulaas: it still is, but circumventing the crash in n-m-applet was much easier (and possible for tribe-2 in the first place) === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] mvo: yes, install_language_packs() === luisbg [n=d33p@189.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] pitti, one last question.. how will the conservative approach to licenses will affect us? (ordinary people not jedi...) === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:50] heno: which bits are you testing? [04:51] Hobbsee: which ISOs or which functionality? [04:51] ulaas: I don't expect the standard Ubuntu distribution will change in any particularly visible way [04:51] heno: er. well, with hte ubuntu desktop i386, which tests are you doing? [04:51] ulaas: the proposal is for a more conservative variant [04:51] Hobbsee: live CD, erase disk, check cd [04:52] heno: right. so you're VBing then, and it's worth testing on a installed system? [04:52] cjwatson, ah it is a variant. not gutsy itself.... [04:53] cjwatson, ok with me then. u shall proceed.... :) [04:53] Hobbsee: yes please (I was just getting to that as well) [04:53] okay [04:53] but some extra testing is always good [04:54] hmmm... === tru_`z24 [n=truz_`24@74-129-166-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] pitti: Done testing server images on i386 and amd64. Everything seems to be good now. === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] shawarma: finally [05:00] ulaas: what do you mean? [05:00] shawarma: thanks === mbiebl [n=michael@e180070166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker [n=xhaker@a81-84-27-50.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] pitti: np [05:04] Will vmware be part of gutsy again? [05:04] hunger: 'again'? [05:05] pitti: apt-get install vmware-player used to work on feisty:-) [05:05] pitti: That is support enough for me;-) [05:06] heno, ogra, bdmurray, LaserJock: new edubuntu server ISOs up for testing, this time without overflow: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070627.1/ === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] hunger: ah, I see === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@cl-266.bru-01.be.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] pitti: Currently the modules are not up to date or so it seems. [05:08] pitti, cjwatson replied. thanks for thinking.... === siretart is currently testing gutsy's alternate installer via pxe netboot. [05:09] ulaas: ah, reading backscroll now [05:09] yay [05:09] pitti, thanks :) [05:09] ogra: ETA 15 minutes for the lives === pochu [n=emilio@78.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart can confirm success on tribe-2 pxe netinstall on a Thinkpad X60s with Root on LVM! yay! :) [05:16] congratulations nixternal [05:16] congratulations calc [05:17] pitti: feisty->tribe-2 upgrade works fine === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] mvo: yay [05:19] does anyone feel like creating a tribe-2 testing wiki page? [05:19] what for? [05:19] for ubuntu [05:19] similar to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe1 [05:20] oh right [05:21] heno, ogra, LaserJock: new edubuntu live CDs for testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20070627.1/ [05:21] heno: that's the last set of images, we have a complete set again [05:22] pitti: ok, let me go through the tracker and make sure it matches reality :) [05:22] pitti, that should be 27.2 [05:22] 27.1 is from this afternoon [05:23] ogra: erm? [05:23] and i dont see .2 yet === calc_ [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:23] ogra: I stopped building it [05:23] hmm, it created the dir [05:24] gutsy-desktop-i386.iso 27-Jun-2007 14:45 690M [05:24] ogra: well, it doesn't have libgl1-mesa-dri, isn't oversized, so it should be good :) [05:24] ogra: and I don't remember seeing the dir before [05:24] well, indeed *g* [05:25] you built the live iso after the server iso, didnt you ? [05:25] the server iso has a timpestamp for 15:45 [05:25] ogra: f***, it has an outdated network-manager-gnome [05:25] ogra: right [05:25] mvo: That bug that we thought was related to the expo compiz plugin seems to have come back for me. [05:25] On the same system where we fixed it on Monday. [05:26] iwj: hm, no good. same symptoms? [05:26] I haven't updated the machine since Monday but I have installed a couple of packages and messed with the libc. [05:26] Yes. [05:26] C-A-B and then log in again fixes it for one go, as previously. [05:26] strace futex hang? [05:26] ogra: ah, silly me, nevermind [05:26] I've checked the global.xml and it still has expo disabled. [05:26] ogra: I built the live CD image, but didn't run cron.daily_live yet [05:26] iwj: you have the latest compiz and plugin packages? [05:26] No. [05:27] pitti, ... happens :) [05:27] Well, I don't have anything you uploaded since we last talked about this. [05:27] iwj: could you please try to upgrade to those? === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mlind2 [n=matti@IP-62-216-126-203.telemail.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:27] OK, I can do that right now if no-one has updated libc since ... [05:28] hiya, could someone of the core-devs poke a buildd farm to rebuild libcairo 1.4.8-1. [05:28] The FTBFS issue because of libdirectfb-dev was fixed by pitti with a recent directfb upload. thanks in advance. [05:28] mlind2: done [05:29] cheers! === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.44.189.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] how do i build a source package that i've hacked up [05:32] i tried debuild but it whinged that i wasn't sebastian bacher [05:32] (i don't have his secret key to sign the package) [05:32] alex-weej: that's fine, it built the package fine [05:32] Mithrandir: so it did. thanks. [05:33] pitti: Hmm, it's not doing it now. It has the feel of something intermittent so I'll keep an eye out. [05:34] (now = after getting the new compiz packages) [05:34] iwj: let's hope for the best then [05:35] heno, ogra, LaserJock: new edubuntu live CDs for testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20070627.2/ (for real this time) [05:35] :) [05:35] this time with the unscrewed n-m applet [05:35] and they behave in size ... nice, thanks :) === sacater [n=sacater@ubuntu/member/colchester-lug.sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kitche [n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bethko [n=ocdac@adsl-75-51-78-231.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-210-186.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:42] Hello [05:43] Where should I be to talk about web cam plug in play support for Ubuntu? It is really needed. [05:43] asac: congrats, your keyring patch was applied upstream already [05:44] pitti: oh ... that was quick [05:44] hm, about ubuntu still says 7.04 [05:44] dholbach: thank you! [05:45] asac: I told you, upstream is active ;) [05:45] usually GNOME guys are quick [05:45] mvo: sounds like a good tribe-3 bug [05:45] nixternal: :-) [05:45] pitti: is 2.6.22-7 the version supposed to fix apport? [05:45] Has the 7.10 About page even been written? [05:46] seb128: in theory, yes; at least it passes the test suites again on powerpc and amd64 [05:46] bethko: unlikely...why would it have? [05:46] pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-mixer/+bug/122608 [05:46] Launchpad bug 122608 in xfce4-mixer "xfce4-mixer-plugin crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,New] [05:46] pitti: is signal5 supposed to get a crashdump also? [05:46] seb128: hehe ... i can only dream of that for mozilla devs :) [05:46] Well that would explain it mvo [05:46] seb128: indeed I saw a few bugs with broken core dumps on -7; NFC === phoenix24 [i=irpa@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] "NFC"? [05:47] seb128: I don't know [05:47] k [05:47] Still best to put it in a bug anyways so it is not forgotten about [05:47] seb128: hmm, signal 5 is a SIGTRAP [05:48] seb128: No f*** clue [05:48] I'm an editor, the only code I do is html and basic [05:48] ie, NFI [05:48] pitti: ah ;) [05:48] like gw basic === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] mvo: 7.10 doesnt exist yet. [05:49] bethko: that's SO 20th century! :) [05:49] lol === phoenix24 [i=rurdx@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] I've been using computers since I was 2 year old. And that was back in 84 [05:51] Ok, so who do I talk to about webcams? === phoenix24 [i=zopyqic@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] You know with youtube and all I would think someone would be on top of this. [05:53] bethko: likely you should be that someone. dont know who specifically to talk to [05:53] besides, youtube is flash. === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aquo [n=aquo@dslb-088-073-211-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:54] hi [05:55] i have a question refering to http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/bin/cron.daily [05:55] there is a line [05:55] PATH="$CDIMAGE_ROOT/bin:${PATH:+:$PATH}" [05:56] what is this parameter substitution for? [05:56] i don't understand the usage of the + [05:57] + might be for concat? [05:57] bash manual says ${parameter:+word} [05:57] Use Alternate Value. If parameter is null or unset, nothing is [05:57] substituted, otherwise the expansion of word is substituted. [05:57] I never really looked at bash to closely [05:58] if $path is null or unset --> PATH="$CDIMAGE_ROOT/bin::" [05:59] aehm ... [06:00] aquo: no, if $path is null or unset PATH="$CDIMAGE_ROOT/bin:" [06:00] aehm, yes [06:00] you are right [06:01] is someone working on openssh bugs so i can join them? [06:01] but if path is not empty the result is $CDIMAGE_ROOT::$PATH [06:03] in the wiki are marked in green the resolved bug or the ones someone is working on? === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] Youtube being flash does not help if you want to put up a video and all you have is a webcam and a computer running ubuntu [06:09] I work with the Deaf, they use sign language [06:10] Hell the webcams don't even work with the Ekiga phone software that is installed by DEFAULT! [06:11] well considering he linux kernel has support for 389 webcams your webcam is probably one of the few that doesn't have drivers [06:11] alex-weej: you can use 'debuild -b -uc -us' to avoid that message [06:11] what do those flags mean? [06:11] I've resolved aquo's bug above [06:11] alex-weej: man dpkg-buildpackage [06:13] It's a logitech === macd [n=d@adsl-6-126-12.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] And I've tryed onther cams [06:14] alex-weej, or if you own a key you could also -k and sign with your own one [06:14] i don't do any of that yet [06:14] way too complicated [06:15] cjwatson: I updated #122518 [06:17] alex-weej: -uc = don't sign the .changes file, -us = don't sign the .dsc file [06:17] ta [06:18] mvo: oh, right, I see [06:18] mvo: is IOError raised for anything other than fetch exceptions? [06:18] cjwatson: no, only then [06:18] I could just silently ignore that [06:19] cjwatson: but I'm happy to add something for user-cancelt here too if you want it [06:19] maybe that would be cleaner [06:19] can it be a subclass of IOError so that old code keeps on working? === bmon [n=monnahan@51.pool85-55-5.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:19] cjwatson:sure, I will do that tomorrow then [06:19] great, thanks [06:19] np [06:20] iwj: did new compiz-love helped you? === TomB_ [n=tomb@host86-147-88-201.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:22] mvo: Yes, it seemed to help. It still feels like an intermittent problem. I wasn't writing down everything that happened and it's confused by a separate X server bug. === jtmoulia [n=jtmoulia@149.142.103.81] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:23] I'll keep an eye on it and let you know if it does anything else wrong. === jtmoulia [n=jtmoulia@149.142.103.81] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aquo [n=aquo@dslb-088-073-211-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:32] hi [06:32] another question for http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/ [06:32] pitti: apport seems to be uploading bug crashes without coredumps. Are you aware of it? === Arby [n=richard@82.152.177.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:32] the scripts use a program with the name lockfile [06:32] pochu: aware yes, but I don't know why it still happens on the 2.6.22-7 kernel [06:33] it is not installed on my system, where do i get this? === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:33] aquo: apt-cache search lockfile [06:33] or even better, apt-file search lockfile [06:34] aquo: lockfile-progs or procmail (depending on which lockfile program it uses) [06:34] Mithrandir: command-not-found is nice as well :) [06:34] pitti: ok, I'll just reject them ;) [06:34] pitti: it is not in lockfile-progs, already had a try on this. [06:35] aquo: then it might indeed be procmail's :) [06:35] where can i find the source of cp? [06:35] so i need to install procmail for building ubunut cd images ... [06:35] nxvl: coreutils [06:35] grmpf [06:35] yes [06:35] nxvl: apt-get source `dpkg -S /bin/cp` [06:35] aquo: ^-- [06:36] procmail isn't an arduous dependency [06:37] k, no problem [06:39] seb128: is the missing Debian removal bug a showstopper for bug #122344? [06:40] Launchpad bug 122344 in sylpheed-claws-gtk2-extra-plugins "[Remove] Please remove sylpheed-claws-gtk2 and sylpheed-claws-gtk2-extra-plugins from gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122344 [06:40] http://www.alex-smith.me.uk/files/bootchart-ud.png :-) [06:40] ion_, frugalware dude? :) [06:41] pygi: Yeah === lamont glares at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/perl/5.8.8-7ubuntu1 === bytee [n=byte@pentafluge.infradead.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.151.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccetj5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:58] agoliveira: do you have that hanging ubiquity running ATM? === Gerrath [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:59] ATM? [06:59] agoliveira: at the moment [06:59] pitti: At this moment? [06:59] yes [06:59] :) === Adri2000_ [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@JBrannlund.MathStat.Dal.Ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:00] Sorry, too many TLA's :-D [07:00] pitti: does Ubuntu also drop apache 1.3 from gutsy? Debian did it already [07:00] pitti: Yes, it's right in front of me. [07:00] geser: I'd love to, if the reverse depends allow us [07:00] agoliveira: ok, so evand might be able to help you [07:00] geser: no, not a blocker, it's just easier when they clean things also [07:01] evand: Pitti told me to poke your about parted_server problem during instalation. [07:01] geser: and I'm wondering if there is a reason they didn't ask for the removal [07:01] pitti: Thnaks. [07:01] pitti: will check the rdepends and file removal bugs where needed [07:02] seb128: I guess the maintainer forgot to file a bug yet [07:02] anybody else here run Vmware Fusion? [07:02] geser: not that bad actually; two tons of libapache-mod-* and twiki [07:02] LaserJock: fusion? [07:03] pitti, they mac thingy [07:03] pitti: yeah, VMware for macs [07:03] where you could get windows out of the VM window [07:03] ah, no [07:03] I *still* can't get the Tribe 2 candidate to boot in it [07:03] pitti: do you know if anyone is working on the perl FTBFS? [07:03] I think it must be my VMware or something [07:04] lamont: I don't know anyone who is working on it; are you currently doing a rebuild test? [07:04] pitti: uh... well, fortunately? it was still ftbfs on i386 last night when I retried it without thinking [07:05] the failure on amd64 is from may... [07:05] once tribe2 is out, I figured I'd give it back everywhere, but I expect that it'll still fail [07:05] amusingly, it builds on hppa [07:05] lamont: "You haven't done a "make depend" yet!" a-haa [07:06] do you want an upload for tribe 2, or should I wait for it to be out before I upload? === farcl0ud [n=farcloud@cpe-66-68-122-176.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:07] lamont: I'd prefer waiting with giving-back, just in case we need to respin the CDs [07:07] right [07:07] lamont: normal source uploads are fine, though, they will just sit in the queue [07:07] agoliveira: can you run the installer with --debug and attach /var/log/installer/debug, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman to a new bug report? [07:08] lamont: so if you have a fix, uploading it is fine [07:08] looking at the clock this may be something I work on on the plane tomorrow [07:08] haven't even looked at it [07:08] agoliveira: I'd suggest saving /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman first just in case --debug makes it go away [07:08] they might still be useful somehow [07:08] although the funny part is that it actually built on hppa [07:08] ah, good point [07:09] evand: Sure, unless the same as yesterday happens. The first time I tried, I got the error, the second (when I used --debug) made the error go away :-/ [07:09] yikes [07:10] agoliveira: same here [07:11] yay heisenbugs === bethko [n=ocdac@adsl-75-51-78-231.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:14] ubunto is pretty schweeeeeet [07:14] heh === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8633.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:15] how do i make windows transparent? [07:15] farcl0ud: this is not a support channel. /join #ubuntu [07:16] ok [07:16] evand, pitti: This might be something related to the saved configurations as if I start the instalation again, even without the --debug, it does work. [07:17] agoliveira: maybe reboot and try with --debug right away? [07:17] pitti: Yes, I'm doing this right now. [07:17] I'll do the same once my vmware test installs finish and I'll get to the real-metal tests === james_w [i=jw2328@jameswestby.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] ok, I'll go offline for a bit for CD testing, bbl [07:25] /W/ 5 [07:25] oops [07:27] pitti, evand: I started again from scratch, running ubiquity --debug and guess what? It just freaking works... [07:27] haha [07:28] the new ubiquity partitioner ui is beautiful ... [07:29] hmm, even though it hangs now ... [07:29] evand: I would be weeping not laughing :-D === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra gives it some more time and goes fo rdinner === mpytasz [n=dduck@staticline17096.toya.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] agoliveira: try it without --debug and just attach the other logs? === polopolo [n=paul@ip5457cfa6.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === polopolo [n=paul@ip5457cfa6.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=ubuntu@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === polopolo [n=paul@ip5457cfa6.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] cjwatson: "You are running in debugging mode. Do not use a valuable password!" -> Thanks a lot for this! [07:38] evand: I'll already started the instalation. I'll try that again as soon as it ends. [07:38] ok [07:38] agoliveira: ah, did you get any further with that bug? [07:38] pitti: Which one? === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] pitti: I got fed up of having to tell people that by hand every time :) [07:39] agoliveira: hanging manual partitioner [07:39] I'm going to have to see if I can reproduce this myself, I guess [07:40] pitti: When you go over the normal process, parted_server hangs. If you start ubiquity with --debug it goes nicelly... go figure... [07:40] and braindump my thought processes on evand along the way :) [07:40] heh [07:41] I wonder if something is colliding with the file descriptor the log file is initially opened on === ivoks [n=ivoks@0-112.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] agoliveira: it's just the computer's way of telling you that it wants to talk to you more === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-211-144.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] agoliveira: can you get an strace of what parted_server is doing when it hangs? [07:42] pitti: This is cute :-P [07:42] cjwatson: curious why it doesn't happen in vmware, though [07:42] mm, hard to say as yet [07:42] agoliveira: which kind of file systems do you use? === pitti has ext3, reiserfs, xfs, a crypted partition, and an ntfs test partition [07:43] cjwatson: I'm installing right now but I'll see what I can get of it later. [07:43] but I already killed the ntfs one, that wasn't it [07:43] pitti: It's a tripple boot macboot so it has efi, afs, ntfs. [07:43] Is it today bugday? [07:43] pitti: and ext3 and swap === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:44] agoliveira: it doesn't happen with ext3 and swap in vmware, and otherwise we have entirely differnent fs'es, so it might not be that either [07:47] polopolo: Yes it is === SEOmoz [n=SEOmoz@unaffiliated/seomoz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] bdmurray: ok [07:51] Gosh... now it hung just before shut down X when I told to reboot. And hung badly, I had to power it down. [07:51] We have a list of bugs we are working on at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070627 === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.177.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] pitti: thnx [07:55] pitti: i have just see your answer about cp [07:55] nxvl: mp [07:55] no problem === pitti reboots back into the freshly installed system, brb [07:55] pitti: the comand has a bug! [07:56] dpkg -S /bin/cp returns "coreutils:" [07:57] nxvl: I think you get the general idea though [07:57] run dpkg -S /bin/cp and then inspect the package that returns === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenix24 [i=xgifj@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] cjwatson: heh, yes, i did [08:01] cjwatson: it was a joke [08:01] :P === ijuz [n=ijuz@p54ABDD34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000_ [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67189.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] agoliveira: is there already a bug report about the manual partitioning hang? [08:12] pitti: Not from me. I'll try to make it happen again in a few minutes; [08:13] agoliveira: ok; I'll create one, so that I have something to attach to my isotesting report; I don't have any logs, though === ulaas [n=ulaas@85.98.226.131] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] pitti: As soon as I can get some I'll sen to you then. [08:14] pitti, network manager has still the same issue.. === paul_d [n=paul@ip-66-254-46-61.mqdsl.megaquebec.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Evolution2 [n=roy@rrcs-24-213-195-172.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] agoliveira: right, send it to that bug then, please [08:17] ulaas: darn; can you please talk to asac to debug this further [08:17] ? [08:18] i would like to know what third party repositories i need to have in adept package manager. and i also iam wondering why the "full upgrade" button is shaded [08:18] pitti, sure. [08:18] pitti: sure. Can you give me a pointer for it? [08:18] pitti: Oh, isotracker? === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:40:213:2ff:fe05:abdb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] asac, yo! how can i be of service [08:18] agoliveira: I didn't file it yet, in a minute [08:19] agoliveira: yes, iso-tracker allows you to put bug numbers into it [08:19] pitti: Ok. [08:20] anyone? [08:21] Evolution2 this isn't really the channel for support, please try #ubuntu [08:21] thanks === Evolution2 [n=roy@rrcs-24-213-195-172.nys.biz.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] agoliveira: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/122645 [08:25] Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitively" [Undecided,New] === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] pitti: Got it. === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] asac, u there? [08:35] ulaas: sure [08:35] asac_, ah wanna hear about network-manager issue.. [08:35] ulaas: though expect me to go problem as my connection is really unstable today [08:36] ulaas: which one? [08:36] asac_, endless wep key questionnaire.. [08:36] asac, sorry wpa === mbiebl [n=michael@e180070166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] asac_, i have the latest packages of course [08:37] LaserJock: do you still have problems with compiz with latest packages/on current CDs? [08:37] ulaas: so how does it look like? [08:37] pitti: I do on VMware Fusion on my intel iMac [08:37] mvo: ^ [08:37] I would expect a QA member to update 'Managing Status' of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks [08:38] pitti: but at home in VMware Server on my Ubuntu box it's fine [08:38] LaserJock: at the current point we won't re-roll CDs, but bug reports with hw details are heavily appreciated [08:38] I'm wondering if it's a VMware Fusion problem [08:38] although I'm not sure why that would be' [08:38] LaserJock: particular graphics driver, presumably [08:39] ulaas: ? [08:39] asac, sec [08:39] asac, typing in the key. wait for a few moments. and there comes the dialog again. [08:40] pitti: oh wait, is composite/compiz enabled by default then? [08:40] I assume so [08:40] in vmware, specifically [08:41] LaserJock: not in vmware, because the driver doesn't support it [08:41] ulaas: so you are using nm-applet...ubuntu4 ? [08:41] LaserJock: in general it's the default, but session startup uses some tests which disable it if the driver isn't good enough [08:41] asac, i am a man of doubl check. a sec please [08:41] pitti: what are the tests? === SEOmoz [n=SEOmoz@unaffiliated/seomoz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] pitti: well, I've updated the bug I filed, I'll add more if mvo needs it === ogra [n=ubuntu@p548AF014.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] asac, thats the one. [08:42] it'd be nice to find somebody else using vmware fusion though and see if they can confirm [08:42] LaserJock: what bugnumber is that [08:43] asac, i have cleaned my user. so gconf is fresh as new... [08:43] does ubiquity hang foa anybody else in teh patiotioner ? === ogra glares at his fingers [08:43] mvo: bug #122459 [08:43] Launchpad bug 122459 in compiz "[gutsy] cannot log in on edubuntu DesktopCD" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122459 [08:44] ogra: at least you can easily blame it on the ClassmatePC keyboard ;-) [08:44] ulaas: hmmm probably a regression from the patch we applied today [08:44] well, i'm on my main lappie :) [08:44] bdmurray: what do you mean? [08:44] ogra: but we don't know that ;-) [08:44] asac, whatever you say bro. i ama s [08:44] ulaas: did nm-applet crash for you before today? [08:44] ogra: yes, for manual partitioning? [08:45] ogra: bug 122645? [08:45] pitti: yup [08:45] Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitively" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645 [08:45] asac, yap i got the whole shebang starting from yesterday [08:45] pitti: I was curious if it looked at the videocard pci id or something else. [08:45] LaserJock: oh? and this is still a problem? can you attach .xsession-errors from a failed login please? [08:45] mvo: hmm, I can try [08:45] bdmurray: ah, those tests; there's a driver blacklist (vesa and nv) and then it does some checks on the glxinfo output [08:46] ulaas: and before yesterday all worked fine for you? [08:46] asac, well that was feisty.. [08:46] pitti: i confirmed it [08:46] ogra: I'd like an strace of what parted_server is doing, if you can [08:47] it happens definately on three different systems ... [08:47] cjwatson: trying :) [08:47] I imagine it's hanging in just one syscall, but knowing which would be helpful ... [08:47] or even attach gdb to it and get a backtrace, though you'd have to fiddle about to get symbols [08:47] bdmurray: currently it does feature testing based on glxinfo and xpdyinfo and blacklisting of some drivers [08:47] evand: have you managed to reproduce this hang? [08:48] ulaas: ok so you upgraded to gutsy yesterday got crashes and now you get password dialog popping up endlessly? [08:48] i have already patch bug #89945 can someone please check if the patch is correct? [08:48] Launchpad bug 89945 in openssh "scp doesn't report correct filenames with spaces in verbose mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89945 [08:48] ulaas: please post that info to bug 121228 [08:48] Launchpad bug 121228 in network-manager "[gutsy] segfault retrieving passphrase for WiFi network" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121228 [08:48] asac, yap. previous versions than ubuntu4 was crashing. ubuntu4 is asking for key forever. [08:49] asac, you bet.. ;) [08:49] cjwatson: negative, but I've only been using vmware [08:49] ulaas: or no ... please open a new bug and add a hint that this [08:49] which I hear nullifies it === Arby_ [n=richard@82.152.177.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] ulaas: popped up since ubuntu4 and link the bug above to the new bug [08:49] ulaas: thanks [08:49] nxvl: incorrect as what if the filename contains single quotes? [08:49] still trying though [08:49] asac, lemme first investigate a bit more. i am suspicious of keyring... [08:49] it needs to be escaped properly rather than just surrounding it with '' [08:50] ulaas: feel free ... but i will be out soonish [08:50] in any case, that bug should go upstream [08:50] cjwatson: can a file name hace? [08:50] have* [08:50] http://bugzilla.mindrot.org/ [08:50] nxvl: yes [08:50] asac, ulaas: maybe that's the part where that gnome-keyring fix comes into play? [08:50] a filename can contain any character except \0 [08:50] asac, no problem. i will file thebug anyway. [08:50] mmm [08:50] nxvl: (except \0 and /) [08:50] pitti, is there fix for that? [08:50] (though \n will probably break in a number of places ...) [08:51] ok, i will check another way to do it [08:51] pitti: might be ... is the fix already in gutsy? [08:51] ulaas: what version of gnome-keyring do you have? [08:52] asac, 2.19.4.1-0ubuntu1 [08:52] ulaas: are you on amd64? [08:53] asac, nope i386 [08:53] hmmm [08:53] ulaas: ok please file the new bug and don't forget to reference the original bug i mentioned above in the summary === TomB_ [n=tomb@host86-147-88-201.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] asac, surely. [08:54] ulaas: i will come back to you with packages you might test ... probably tomorrow morning [08:54] mvo: I attached .xsession-errors to the bug report [08:54] tons of alsa stuff === TomB_ [n=tomb@host86-147-88-201.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] asac, have a good one. [08:55] cjwatson: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/strace-parted_server-tribe2.out [08:55] ogra: hmm, when did you start that? [08:55] after it appeared to have hung? [08:56] perhaps slightly before? [08:56] before clicking anything in the "manual/guided partitioning" selection dialog [08:56] ok [08:56] nixternal: /proc/sys/net/ipv6 and 'unset' [08:57] the hanging ubiquity win is still there ... so it ran until it died [08:58] nothing obvious in there, looks more subtle than just confused fds [08:58] where can i see what initialize_main does, i'm searching, but i don't find it [08:59] nxvl: (I'm not sure this bug report is worth lots of effort, to be honest) [08:59] LaserJock: what X driver is this system using [08:59] mvo: the host? [08:59] nxvl: there is no initialize_main function in openssh [08:59] or the livecd? [09:00] at least not in the current version; perhaps you're looking at an old one [09:00] LaserJock: the thing that fails :) [09:00] LaserJock: could you please try to login into a fail-safe session and run glxinfo in a terminal? [09:01] k [09:01] I also collected an .xsession-errors with the sound turned off, is that of use? [09:02] LaserJock: yes, less clutter sounds good [09:02] cjwatson: no, but it is on cp === silwol [n=silwol@194.152.122.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] cjwatson: im looking how cp does it to make something like that in scp === silwol [n=silwol@194.152.122.177] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ulaas_ [n=ulaas@85.98.226.131] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] huh ? [09:03] why do i have xterm and uxterm in my menu ? [09:03] uxterm is xterm with unicode [09:04] somethimes both are installed [09:04] asac, recreated a new user. and now it works... [09:04] i know what it is, it just has nothing lost in my liveCD menu :) [09:04] mvo: safe mode won't start X [09:04] LaserJock: oh? [09:05] Failed to load vbe [09:05] ulaas_: ok so probably gnome-keyring broke compatibility with legacy settings somehow [09:05] ulaas_: please drop that info to bug as well [09:05] LaserJock: what driver is the thing using that fails? [09:05] vesa [09:06] dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libvbe.so: invallid ELF header [09:06] cjwatson: can u maybe recomend me a simple bug so i can fix it and learn? [09:06] mvo: ^^ seems to be the source of the problem [09:06] cjwatson: i really want to help, but as you can see i'm new on this [09:07] LaserJock: but that would only explain the failsafe failure, not the regular one? or is vesa used in regular mode too? [09:08] invallid ELF header sounds bad though [09:08] I don't know, I'll reboot in regular mode and look at the xorg log [09:09] thanks! [09:10] although X at least starts in regular mode [09:10] nxvl: cp and scp don't share source code, so it might not be trivial === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] nxvl: I don't mean to discourage you; it's just that I recently did a pass through openssh and fixed most of the simple bugs I could find ;-) [09:10] ulaas_: btw, please keep the broken user [09:11] nxvl: I believe there's a "bitesize" tag that's intended to be for this sort of thing, and you can query on that [09:11] asac, ooooops [09:12] cjwatson: i don't undestand the "bitesize" thing [09:13] ulaas_: thats bad :/ === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] mvo: well, it's using the vmware driver in regular mode [09:14] asac, my bad. :( [09:14] ulaas_: yeah close bug again then [09:14] ulaas_: if someone else sees it we will get a new one [09:14] nxvl: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Tags [09:15] nxvl: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] ulaas_: np ... remember that its important to keep broken things in future ... if you want to help :) [09:16] LaserJock: thanks! out of curiosity (and only if you have it available), does the regular ubuntu-desktop CD crash for you as well? [09:16] I haven't tried it yet, I was thinking the same thing === james_w [i=jw2328@jameswestby.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:17] asac, will keep that in mind. [09:17] mvo: let me rsync one up and I'll try it out [09:17] thnx [09:18] i will try that [09:18] :D [09:18] i whink i will start with ubuntulove [09:22] seb128: I did remove the Hidden attribute from a menu entry, but I don't see the item appear in the menu, even alacarte doesn't show me the disabled entry. any hints? [09:23] doko: what menu entry? [09:24] doko: is there a TryExec? Is the corresponding binary available? === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] seb128: ooo-draw, packages from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/tmp/ooo-feisty/ ./ [09:25] i386 only === hunger [n=tobias@p54A71F37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] pitti, I'm having a major bug with the gutsy tribe 2 test iso [09:28] live i386 one [09:30] luisbg: what's up? [09:30] luisbg: (sorry, I'm just about to leave for 30 minutes, bbl) [09:31] when installing, I choose manual partitioning, then next, and the install program freezes there [09:31] tried 3 tiems [09:31] times* === pygi thinks that's a known probolem :) [09:31] pygi, seams like a big one to me ;) [09:34] luisbg: you mean bug #122645 i guess [09:34] Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitively" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645 [09:34] ogra, yes === phoenix24_ [i=yjktn@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] doko: seems to be listed correctly under "Graphics" on my desktop [09:36] seb128: hrm, yeah, I remember now having removed the entry in the office menu :-/ [09:36] luisbg: does it occur when you pass --debug to the installer? [09:36] sorry [09:37] that's alright [09:37] evand, didn't check === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-8.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] mvo: same thing with Ubuntu Desktop CD i386 [09:41] evand: called as sudo ubiquity --debug it seems to work fine here [09:41] ogra: so that stops it from hanging for you? [09:41] right [09:41] hrm ok [09:41] i wonder if that also happens if i call it with gksu [09:42] seb128: did you write ubuntulooks? [09:42] Is there an archive admin around that might approve clamav 0.90.3-1ubuntu2 (source). It fixes a common postinst failure, so it'd be nice to have it out along with Tribe 2. [09:43] evand: gksudo ubiquity --debug hangs [09:43] evand: I wonder whether it actually works for anyone then... [09:44] well, davmor2 successfully tested it on xubuntu at least === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] ogra: (you never need to run gksudo/sudo; ubiquity does that itself) [09:46] alex-weej: no, it has been written by the clearlooks upstreams [09:46] ogra: if you get a hang in debug mode, /var/log/installer/debug + /var/log/syslog + /var/log/partman please [09:46] oki [09:46] alex-weej: why? [09:46] LaserJock: what kind of vmware is it? workstation, server, player? [09:46] LaserJock: what version? === mvo tries to reproduce [09:46] seb128: gonna try and tackle an old bug that was introduced in edgy [09:47] mvo: it's VMware Fusion [09:47] tab colour highlights [09:47] fails to work in terminal, gedit, ephy's TDI UIs [09:47] hence why I'm suspecting it could be an issue specific to it as I don't know if there are many people using it === adam0509 [n=benoit@stc92-1-82-227-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] LaserJock: if there is a way to get into a failsafe terminal I would be interessted in the output of glxinfo [09:48] cjwatson: hmm ubiquity doesnt truncate the old log on a new start, right ? [09:49] seems my debug log is some MB big ... [09:49] ogra: it appends [09:49] ogra: nope, intentionally [09:52] mvo: heh, no go. If I start up failsafe terminal and then run glxinfo it kills X immediately [09:52] while i collect teh stuff and move it around, here a traceback from ym syslog ... [09:52] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27470/ [09:52] evand, cjwatson ^^ [09:52] LaserJock: ok, I will backlist the vmware driver than. the same happens on vesa_drv.so [09:53] mvo: it's odd that other people using VMware player or server aren't having the issue === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] this VMware Fusion is still beta I think so who knows .. [09:55] BenC, pitti: many apport crashes have still no stacktrace using the new linux version [09:56] seb128: according to pitti, his test cases passed...I need more info if possible [09:56] BenC: I'll speak to pitti, I don't know how to debug that, bug most of the bugs we are getting have no Coredump and users are running 2.6.22-7 [09:58] evand, cjwatson, all three logs attached to bug #122645 [09:58] Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitively" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645 [09:58] thanks ogra === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Admiral_Chicago [n=Freddy@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zasf [n=matteo@host150-15.pool80180.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === keyes [n=keyes@easyubuntu/keyes] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] seb128, BenC: it's a miracle to me [10:20] pitti: that it doesn't work for eveyrbody? [10:21] seb128: yes [10:21] seb128: I'll ask in the bug to run the apport test suite, maybe that reveals the problem [10:21] you want a list of bugs? [10:21] seb128: that would be nice [10:22] seb128: and I should really teach apport to not send those in the first place; too bad that we noticed it so late [10:22] bug #122470 [10:22] Launchpad bug 122470 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122470 [10:23] bug #122511 [10:23] Launchpad bug 122511 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122511 [10:23] seb128: do you get the effect yourself? [10:23] let me send a SIGSEGV to something [10:23] bug 122641 [10:23] Launchpad bug 122641 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122641 [10:23] seb128: just run /usr/share/apport/testsuite/run-tests [10:24] seb128: that does plenty of SIGSEGVing [10:24] seb128: you need to empty /var/crash first, though [10:25] Test add_gdb_info() with a script. ... Failed to read a valid object file image from memory. [10:25] warning: Memory read failed for corefile section, 4096 bytes at 0xffffe000. [10:25] FAIL [10:25] FAIL: Test add_gdb_info() with a script. [10:25] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [10:25] Traceback (most recent call last): [10:25] File "/usr/share/python-support/python-apport/apport/report.py", line 1179, in test_add_gdb_info_script [10:25] self.assert_('libc.so' in pr['Stacktrace'] ) [10:25] AssertionError [10:25] seb128: ah-haa [10:25] pitti: the release notes should be finished for xubuntu as well, the wiki does not have content but we are fleshing things out in a meeting [10:26] Admiral_Chicago: thanks [10:26] i'll mail you when i'm happy with them. thanks [10:26] seb128: if you run '/usr/share/apport/testsuite/test-apport kernel', how far does it get? [10:26] * Check test process creation/killing with apport [10:26] Traceback (most recent call last): [10:26] File "/usr/share/apport/testsuite/test-apport", line 165, in [10:26] check_crash() [10:26] File "/usr/share/apport/testsuite/test-apport", line 60, in check_crash [10:26] assert not os.path.exists('core'), 'no core dump in current directory' [10:27] AssertionError: no core dump in current directory === bashelier [n=bashelie@srv122.hosteur.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] seb128: did you have a core file in . before? [10:27] no [10:27] seb128: hm, so something is really broken here [10:28] seb128: do you have something interesting in /var/log/apport.log? [10:28] $ /usr/share/apport/testsuite/test-apport kernel [10:28] Traceback (most recent call last): [10:28] File "/usr/share/apport/testsuite/test-apport", line 147, in [10:28] assert apport.fileutils.get_all_reports() == [] , 'no reports already present' [10:28] AssertionError: no reports already present [10:28] [10:28] that's with a _usr_share_apport_testsuite_test-apport.1000.crash in the directory [10:28] seb128: right, that's expected [10:28] seb128: the test suite requires /var/crash to be empty for useful checks [10:29] if I rm the crash I get the "AssertionError: no core dump in current directory" again [10:29] seb128: oh, btw, please killall update-notifier before starting the test [10:29] weird [10:29] pitti: so do you plan to wait for a fix to bug #122645 ? looks quite critical [10:29] Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitively" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645 [10:29] no difference without update-notifier [10:29] seb128: the description is a bit misleading, it means that there is a core file which shouldn't be there [10:30] ogra: if we get one today still, then I might reconsider [10:30] ogra: testing everything is expensive, but doable on one day [10:30] well, its a typical tester thing to use manual partitioning i guess [10:30] pitti: there is only a _usr_share_apport_testsuite_test-apport.1000.crash created when running the testsuite [10:31] at least if i watch my testing behavior :) [10:31] seb128: can you please rm /var/crash again and that core file, and /var/log/apport.log, then run test-apport, and then send me the log file? [10:31] seb128: but you are on 2.6.22-7, right? [10:31] pitti: there is no apport.log created === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] $ uname -r [10:32] 2.6.22-7-generic [10:32] ah, test-apport [10:32] sorry, I tried the kernel thingy [10:32] seb128: right, 'test-apport kernel' [10:32] k, no log then [10:33] seb128: there is another mode 'lib' which doesn't work in the installed system [10:33] of course I'm the only one who cannot reproduce the bug on real hardware [10:34] seb128: can you please have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/119267 ? [10:34] Launchpad bug 119267 in linux-source-2.6.22 "apport patches for CORE_REAL_RLIM and limit overriding do not work any more" [High,Fix released] [10:34] pitti: trying that [10:34] seb128: in the description I describe some basic tests (without apport) to check the kernel behaviour [10:35] seb128: and describe behaviour on -6 and the expected one [10:35] pitti: [10:35] $ ls -l /tmp/env /tmp/crash [10:35] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 831488 2007-06-27 22:35 /tmp/crash [10:35] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 151 2007-06-27 22:35 /tmp/ [10:35] $ grep RLIM /tmp/env [10:35] CORE_REAL_RLIM=0 === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olliwolli [n=olliwoll@e177198237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] seb128: ulimit -c is 0? [10:37] yes [10:38] I followed the bug [10:38] the "In this case, CORE_REAL_RLIM should be 0 (since -1 means 'unlimited') and /tmp/crash should have the entire core dump (but is empty)." [10:39] right, your output looks fine [10:39] seems to be the correct then === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491E4EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] seb128: ok; I have some more ideas, let's do this in /msg to not spam the channel [10:39] k === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-211e0908f4c2ccff] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] morning === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A71F37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] Did somebody already succeed in getting vmware to run on gutsy? [11:15] o/ [11:16] hunger: vmware 6 runs nicely (even amd64), but requires BenC's fixed vmnet.tar [11:16] Where can I get that? [11:18] BenC: ^ is this on any public place? or the diff? [11:19] Oh goody, i would like that file aswell :) [11:19] I've found a fixed vmnet.tar somewhere on the forum working just fine with 2.6.22-7 but would also like something more "official" :) [11:20] stgraber: You still got the URL? [11:20] let me check === hunger would be sooo happy if vmware got into the restricted modules... but that is probably impossible. [11:21] There are vmware-player debs in aptitude... too bad that those are terribly out of date:-( [11:21] http://npw.net/~phbaer/vmnet.tar [11:21] found in : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=478611 [11:21] stgraber: THANKS! [11:22] stgraber: ty [11:22] np === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] cjwatson, ping. I wanted to see what your thoughts would be on bug #122040 [11:23] Launchpad bug 122040 in casper "Casper should depend on discover1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122040 [11:24] superm1: I think that's wrong, really; it's up to xserver-xorg to install what it needs [11:25] casper shouldn't have the dependency because xserver-xorg might (quite realistically!) change what it needs to discover hardware [11:25] ah i see [11:25] xserver-xorg Recommends: discover1 | discover as it is [11:26] so I think honestly this is just a bug in the construction of the third-party disks [11:26] okay i'll kill the bug then. Wish I saw the recommends: discover1 in the first place :) === hunger [n=tobias@p54A71F37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@ip-83-141-159-213.evc.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === qnyc [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] ftopic [11:36] oops :-( === olliwolli [n=olliwoll@e177198237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsnaike [n=dsnaike@208.100.229.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] pitti: have you found anything more out about apport crash reports? [11:53] bdmurray: no, I debugged something with seb128 for an hour, but no result; he doesn't get the effect [11:53] bdmurray: I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/122688 now, it has a list of affected bugs [11:53] Launchpad bug 122688 in apport "produces empty core dumps" [High,Incomplete] [11:53] bdmurray: in those bugs I ask the reporters about diagnosing apport itself === kioshen [n=kioshen@205.233.55.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] bdmurray: if you find more of those, maybe you can copy&paste that comment [11:57] pitti: sounds good [11:58] bdmurray: I'll think about it again tomorrow [11:58] bdmurray: at least the tags are right, so we can automatically traverse the bugs and reject the broken ones [11:58] I'll care about that once the issue is fixed === pitti falls into bed, cu tomorrow [11:59] bdmurray: did you see anything else OMGbug apart from apport and ubiquity partitioner? 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