[04:01] <ghenry> Hi, I'm just watching the debconf7 ogg video
[11:21] <ajmitch> amazing, life on the mailing list
[11:30] <dendrobates> almost a mutiny.
[11:30] <dendrobates> We need users to speak up.
[11:31] <dendrobates> ajmitch: you wrote the wiki that they were referring to didn't you?
[11:31] <fernando> we need to decide what way to follow
[11:33] <dendrobates> we do,  I think there are many environments, where Ubuntu is not considered because we have not solved these problems.
[11:38] <ajmitch> dendrobates: yes, following a session at UDS in mt view
[11:40] <dendrobates> ajmitch: why do you want to switch to FDS?
[11:41] <ajmitch> because I felt it would be a better fit, and the people that I talked with thought so as well
[11:43] <dendrobates> I am familiar with it's former incarnations, netscape, sun-one, ...  It certainly does have the ability to support a large enterprise.
[11:45] <ajmitch> I've become more familiar with openldap, and it is rather easier to setup & get going
[11:45] <dendrobates> Openldap has come a long way though.  dynamic groups, overlay support. AD integration.  And it is certainly lean and mean.  At my last job we used both Sun LDAP and openldap.
[11:45] <ajmitch> yes, openldap has improved a lot in recent releases
[11:46] <ajmitch> it's what I'm currently using at work
[11:46] <dendrobates> I have been toying with adding ppolicy support with a basic config to the package.
[11:48] <ajmitch> I saw on your wiki page that you wanted client support for AD - what do you have in mind there?
[11:49] <dendrobates> That is really just pam stuff.  using what ever is appropriate pam_krb5, or pam_winbind.  It works pretty well in feisty.
[11:50] <dendrobates> I think we need that if we are going to start kicking MS out of some small businesses.
[11:50] <ajmitch> right, apart from configuring it out of the box
[11:51] <dendrobates> Will you be at the London sprint?
[11:51] <ajmitch> I seriously doubt it
[11:51] <dendrobates> are you a canonical employee?
[11:51] <ajmitch> no
[11:52] <ajmitch> london is a long way to swim
[11:52] <dendrobates> ahh.  I am on the new server team.
[11:52] <ajmitch> yes, I know
[11:52] <ajmitch> I applied, didn't get a response after UDS :)
[11:52] <dendrobates> Sorry:'(
[11:53] <dendrobates> are you in the USA?
[11:53] <ajmitch> hardly anything you need to apologise for
[11:53] <ajmitch> New Zealand
[11:53] <dendrobates> Farther swim for you than me.
[11:54] <ajmitch> yeah, it was a long long flight to spain
[11:55] <dendrobates> I am chomping at the bit to get the directory stuff fixed up.
[11:55] <ajmitch> good
[11:56] <ajmitch> it's been missing for awhile
[11:56] <dendrobates> What ever happened with that wiki, how come no spec?
[11:56] <ajmitch> probably lack of time to write it all up
[11:56] <dendrobates> were others interested?
[11:56] <ajmitch> I gather you'll be trying to set aside time for this stuff for gutsy+1?
[11:57] <ajmitch> there were others, but few developers
[11:57] <dendrobates> I will be pushing for it.
[11:57] <ajmitch> that may change if you can sell the idea well
[11:58] <dendrobates> I will certainly try.
[11:58] <ajmitch> I gather the server team is running smoothly now for gutsy
[11:59] <dendrobates> I am too new to be running smoothly, but the others seem to know what they are doing.
[12:00] <ajmitch> heh
[12:00] <ajmitch> just started a week or two ago?
[12:00] <dendrobates> two weeks tomorrow
[12:01] <dendrobates> do you maintain openldap?
[12:03] <ajmitch> the package? no
[12:04] <dendrobates> it is a complicated package, I am still try to figure it out.
[12:05] <ajmitch> do you have much debian packaging experience?