=== Yann_Dinendal is now known as YannDinendal [12:20] TheMuso, could I ask you a question about your comment in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5757 ? [12:21] DktrKranz: His comment seems straightforward. What was the question? [12:22] ScottK, I'm unable to determine which empty files he is referring [12:22] surely I'm wrong [12:22] Ah. [12:23] Do you have debian/dirs and debian/docs files? [12:23] I've got debian/oggconf.dirs and debian/oggconf.docs actually [12:23] Are they empty? [12:23] Gotta run. [12:24] no [12:24] ah I see what you are talking aobut. [12:24] about even [12:24] I applied the diff from revu, which didn't delete those files. [12:25] ah, sorry for that [12:25] np [12:25] I didn't mention I renamed them [12:25] I saw that you did in the diff, its just that they weren't deleted. No problem, all sorted. [12:25] I'll give it another look over once I've gone through my morning email batch. [12:26] ok, thanks for your time :) [12:26] No problem. [12:27] morning [12:28] Heya ajmitch. === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] night all === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.231.209] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] yay http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ now with ubuntu-best-friends links === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-143-235-27.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === qnyc [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch should see if there's a standard way of packaging eggs [12:46] ajmitch, we package eggs? :) [12:47] yes [12:47] ajmitch: python-pyinotify was a packaged egg [12:48] I'm sure there are several [12:48] but I know that it can be simplified [12:48] afaik egg is just like a tarball [12:48] kindof [12:48] yes, it is [12:48] with some extra info [12:48] indeed :) [12:48] that's why I said "kindof" :) [12:49] jmg: pyinotify has nothing egg-specific about it === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] aha, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPythonFAQ === calc sees ajmitch :) [12:55] you do? [12:55] hehe [12:56] hah, cool [12:56] WARNING: 'python-mechanize' is maintained in the 'Svn' version control system at: [12:56] 'svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-zope/python-mechanize/trunk' [12:56] ajmitch: got a +1 from stefan today [12:56] on doing 'apt-get source python-mechanize' [12:56] calc: that's good [12:56] also got the ooo security update uploaded :) [12:57] after much pain & anguish, I presume [12:58] ajmitch: downloading lots of stuff yea [12:58] ajmitch: the update was easy just required several GB of downloads [12:58] took around 4hr between dapper/edgy builds === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] mem leaks are not fixable in feisty are they? [12:59] depends on how "extreme" they are I am guessing [01:01] nixternal: it fails to allow you to use java apps. i have fixed version (not fixed for that but fixes that in my feisty repo. [01:01] what is failing? [01:02] hold on ill get bug number [01:02] bug 122442 [01:02] Launchpad bug 122442 in sun-java6 "Memleak in Sun Java 6 on ubuntu feisty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122442 === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] lock up on eclipse, frostwire, he uses my java and it works fine [01:06] ahhh, I don't get the lock on eclipse, but the Frostwire issue was reported a while ago at Frostwire...is it an Ubuntu problem, or a general Sun Java 6 issue? === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kmos_ [n=gothicx@249-172.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-074-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] i dont know but gutsy's current java6 fixes it. this is after asac's patch for firefox symlink [01:10] ahh, OK, that might explain why I don't have the problem :) [01:10] i put newest ff in repo than had to bring java to fix the symlink issue and that java fixes teh issue with frostwire and eclipse [01:12] G'night. === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] === bashelier [n=bashelie@srv122.hosteur.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-210-186.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu just got one of those evil Google job offers. [01:38] Fujitsu: based at mountain view? [01:38] jmg: All three of them, yes. Very practical. [01:38] Fujitsu: my commiserations [01:38] Fujitsu, evil? [01:38] superm1: Well, Google is evil, so their job opportunities must be. [01:39] Fujitsu: are you going to accept? [01:39] Fujitsu: are you going to work on goobuntu? [01:39] Fujitsu, a lot of people are getting that lately [01:39] jmg, it's just the interview now :) [01:39] Fujitsu: are you pH.D? [01:39] pygi: I know. [01:39] Sounds like spam... [01:39] To me anyway. [01:39] .c [01:39] ugh [01:40] pygi: 'job offer' generally implies an offer to begin employment, eg, the interview process has already concluded [01:41] jmg, yes, but google never does that [01:41] jmg: Well, wrong terminology on my part. [01:41] jmg, it's a scout that messaged him [01:41] TheMuso, why spam? :P [01:41] request for interest [01:41] expressions of === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] Hello Everyone [01:43] hey vbabiy [01:44] I am a developer and I would like to start helping out the Ubuntu team where should I start [01:44] vbabiy, particularly you wanted to help out with packaging? [01:44] or getting apps you develop into ubuntu? [01:45] well I have not start any apps yet, I was hopping to join a development team [01:45] vbabiy, most of the apps in ubuntu are developed outside of ubuntu from upstream sources [01:46] So is there an app you wanted to help out with? [01:46] Not one in general [01:46] I wish there was a quicken being developed for Linux [01:47] for business accounting [01:47] you might want to get with the gnucash guys then [01:47] ok [01:48] what this group in ubuntu does is focuses around getting upstream apps into ubuntu and packaging them up into debian source packages [01:48] as well as merging packages from debian [01:48] superm1: okay what would we the best way of packaging up mplayer for svn to a deb package [01:49] so if that sounds interesting to you like something you'd like to help with, take a look at the sites in the topic [01:49] as well as [01:49] !packagingguide | vbabiy [01:49] vbabiy: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports [01:49] okay I will take a look at that [01:49] thanks alot superm1 [01:50] gl vbabiy, hope to see you in here joining to help :) === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:50] I plan on it [01:50] !contribute [01:50] To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [01:50] I owe the community for create such a beautiful OS [01:50] that's worth a read too === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _Enchained [n=cyrille@set25-1-88-166-169-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] <_Enchained> hi Motus === bluey__ [n=bruno@89.181.117.14] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] <_Enchained> nobody ? [02:06] a lot of us aren't MOTUs :) [02:07] heh [02:07] I used to do that, and was told the same thing. [02:07] <_Enchained> ok [02:11] TheMuso, would you have a few moments for a revu? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] superm1: Sure, as soon as I finish looking at some other stuff. [02:13] cool great. the url is at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5776 when you get a moment [02:13] thanks [02:14] <_Enchained> TheMuso tou're motu ? [02:14] <_Enchained> you're * [02:14] <_Enchained> are you* (in correct english :x) [02:15] _Enchained: Yes I am a motu. [02:16] <_Enchained> I've updated a package to review (+advocate :p) if you have any time [02:16] <_Enchained> (It had a +1) [02:16] <_Enchained> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5777 [02:18] _Enchained, in looking is there a reason why you don't list AUTHORS as a doc? [02:19] <_Enchained> forgot it maybe :s [02:20] <_Enchained> should I put INSTALL and REDME in docs ? [02:20] <_Enchained> README* [02:20] _Enchained, i'll see if anything else stands out after the build finishes === apacheLAGger [n=me@N846P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] _Enchained, the build looks clean :). I would also ship those other two docs, if you look at the debian new maintainers guide, pretty much all top level docs are shipped (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-docs) [02:26] _Enchained: if you want to add those files, and let me know when you've updated it, I'll do my review from that point. [02:26] <_Enchained> yes [02:26] <_Enchained> in a few minutes [02:26] <_Enchained> (it's a little package) [02:27] Sure. [02:30] _Enchained: Oh a couple more things, before you go much further... [02:30] <_Enchained> yes? [02:30] _Enchained: You don't need dh_installexamples, dh_installman and dh_link in debian/rules. [02:31] /c [02:31] ugh [02:35] <_Enchained> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5778 but a new (with corrections is incoming) [02:35] Thanks. [02:35] I still have it open in my browser. [02:36] _Enchained: Ok, I see the new upload. [02:37] _Enchained: Why did you remove NEWS? [02:37] <_Enchained> it xas empty [02:37] <_Enchained> was* === jgamio [n=jgamio@190.72.53.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] ah ok. [02:37] <_Enchained> 5778 is not the latest [02:38] Ok your newer one hasn't appeared yet. [02:38] <_Enchained> (the incoming one have dh_ ... removed) [02:38] Anyway, I am running a test build. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] <_Enchained> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5779 [02:44] _Enchained: Ok, running a test build of your package. [02:44] <_Enchained> thx [02:45] <_Enchained> (If you can, there is also a package to remove from REVU) [02:45] Do you mean to be archived? [02:46] <_Enchained> I don't know [02:46] <_Enchained> deleted I think [02:46] <_Enchained> It's a software not developped and maintened anymore [02:46] Right. [02:46] <_Enchained> and cause problems ti build [02:46] <_Enchained> to* [02:46] Whats the name of the package/ [02:46] <_Enchained> gmencoder [02:47] Ok will have a look. I am not a revu admin, but if needs archiving, I can do that. [02:47] _Enchained: Done. [02:47] <_Enchained> Ok thx [02:50] <_Enchained> (I go to sleep now) [02:57] Ok, +1 for the package. === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.105.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF_ [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] bluekuja: Hey, I looking at your gst-plugins-farsight merge (bug #114444) that's been stalled for nearly a month. Are you going to finish that, or shall I? [03:09] Launchpad bug 114444 in gst-plugins-farsight "merge gst-plugins-farsight-0.12.1 from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114444 === jgamio [n=jgamio@190.72.53.158] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:11] RAOF: I think there is a reason why that wasn't competed. I remember conversation about that in here at some point, but can't remembre exactly what was said, unless I was to go log digging. [03:11] completed even [03:11] Possibly because of the dh_gstscancodecs failure? [03:12] Dunno. === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] Ok, I'll leave it for a while. === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cynics [n=cynics@123.116.99.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] Ok guys, no other deriv has look. [03:47] They have artwork, /c [03:47] ugh [03:47] woops wrong window. [03:59] crimsun: very sad to see you leave core-dev at the end of gutsy [03:59] ajmitch: hear hear! [03:59] ajmitch: oh my, really? [03:59] TheMuso: very apt, given the subject of his mail [04:00] tritium: yes, apparantly he won't be online much for ~3 years [04:00] ajmitch: haha [04:00] Wow. Is this on the -devel mailing list/ [04:00] ? [04:00] tritium: yes [04:01] -devel-discuss I think. [04:02] right, they both end up in 1 mail folder here === tritium looks === TheMuso is not on -devel-discuss. [04:04] That's depressing. So soon, too. [04:04] Can we get him a "leaving Ubuntu" present? [04:04] Heh === RAOF is serious. === ScottK was actually planning to offer to buy him lunch after he moves since he's moving very close to where I live. [04:05] :( [04:05] ScottK: where is he moving to? === StevenK kicks packages.d.o HARD [04:05] Damn it all, *update* [04:05] Maryland, USA [04:05] StevenK: Are your feet sore yet? [04:06] Witha ll the kicking you do. [04:06] Also, it seems that the dh_gstscancodecs error of the farsight merge bug is due to a bug in upstream's build system [04:06] TheMuso: Come here, I'll kick you. :-P [04:06] StevenK: I'll hold while you kick. [04:07] RAOF: I figured you were, I just have no idea what. [04:07] What? And make your feet even more sore? I don't want to hurt you. [04:07] StevenK: An "I ruled ALSA" shirt, signed by the sabdfl? [04:07] :) === ScottK notes that the individual in question is logged on an although away, will have the scrollback. [04:10] RAOF: "I maintained ALSA for Ubuntu in over 4 releases, and all I got was this crappy shirt" ? [04:10] just in case anyone was thinking of trying for a suprise... [04:10] ScottK: Maybe he can suggest a present :) === ajmitch is just having too much fun with php & ldap today === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp59-167-2-105.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK has never seen fun, php, and ldap in the same sentence before. === AndyP has... but with negatory verbs included [04:15] ScottK: it's actually not too hard, just a thin wrapper around the standard ldap lib [04:16] How busy is devel discuss? [04:16] Not terribly. [04:16] not very busy usually... sometimes there's a hot topic which people like to jump on but usually it's quiet [04:16] Right. === TheMuso ponders joining it after all this time. [04:18] It depends greatly on whether or not a controversial Launchpad change has just been announced. [04:18] ;-) [04:18] it's better than sounder [04:18] Heh. [04:19] where they're holding the annual debate over mail replies, top-quoting, etc === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] Annual isn't so bad. I'm subscribed to one list where it seems to come up weekly. [04:19] Hobbsee! [04:19] Good evening Hobbsee [04:19] Afternoon, Hobbsee === TheMuso might exchange subscription to sounder for devel-discuss. [04:20] Heya Hobbsee . === SlimG [n=slimg@84.205.58.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] hey ajmitch, ScottK, RAOF and TheMuso :) [04:21] TheMuso: that'd be smart [04:24] Is there a indirect way of displaying the copyright file content? === RAOF wonders whether gst-plugins-farsight 0.12.1 is partially broken on sid. [04:25] SlimG: /usr/share/doc//copyright === Hobbsee hugs locate [04:29] Hobbsee: indirectly, I was thinking if there is an app/script to display the copyright file of a package nicely formatted? Like man does for /usr/share/man/man/..gz ? [04:30] Anyone feel like testing and/or sponsoring bug #122113? I think it'd be nice to have working virtualisation for Tribe-2 :) [04:30] Launchpad bug 122113 in kvm "[Merge] Please merge kvm-28-4 from Debian Unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122113 [04:31] SlimG: hmm. no idea. [04:31] interesting, http://www.klikit.org/ [04:31] RAOF: you'd have to get it by the scary release people [04:31] or is it not in main yet? [04:31] ajmitch: It's not main, though? I thought only main packages required revu [04:32] Yeah, it's not main. === RAOF should probably spell "review" correctly" :) [04:32] it's not in main. === Hobbsee could ack it, but not shove it thru the archive anyway. [04:32] interesting, I'm sure it was promoted [04:33] given that it was mentioned in the tribe 1 announcement === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-133-184.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === RAOF will check, but it wasn't when I started the merge :) [04:33] Hobbsee: Mkay, I guess the copyright file is formatted to be directly human readable and doesn't need to be preformatted [04:33] RAOF: I just checked, it's not [04:34] whats so great about klikit? === RAOF doesn't like "You and the community are, and will always be, the main voice behind any decision". Although I suppose that might work better for a distribution than, say, the Beryl project ;) [04:36] hehe === porthose [n=chatzill@24-119-100-168.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guest334 [n=guest@c-76-26-103-132.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] RAOF: it's all good when the community is small. [04:37] And consists mainly of developers? [04:38] well, not even that === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-084-000.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] Hobbsee: like bittorrent, it doesnt scale? === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-084-000.sc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:40] bluekuja: Ping, re: gst-plugins-farsight [04:42] What is the current procedure for requesting GPG keyring sync on REVU? I've emailed two different @tiber.tauware.de addresses with no response. [04:44] guest334: ask on here :) [04:44] jmg: yeah [04:45] What details should I provide for the request? [04:45] Just the GPG key id? [04:47] Just that you want the keyring sync'd. [04:47] amazing, mako on the board of the FSF === ajmitch notes that the revu keyring is synced by cron nightly [04:49] And this sync is with keys registered on launchpad? Some of the online Ubuntu documents imply that one has to explicitly make a request for a specific key, and receive a response, before being able to upload. [04:51] guest334: those ones are out of date. it's with the ubuntu-universe-contributors team in laucnhapd [04:51] !revu [04:51] REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:52] bashelier: ping? did you package the new upstream version of podbrowser? bug #122392 [04:52] Launchpad bug 122392 in podbrowser "podbrowser depends on Gtk2::Ex::PodViewer 0.16, but 0.14 in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122392 === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] My question is with respect to REVU upload. I have registered with launchpad and am a member of the ubuntu-universe-contributors team. Do I need to do anything else? [04:56] guest334: it's done [04:56] guest334: you should be able to upload now [04:57] I'll give it a try. Many thanks. === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brylie [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-97-67.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] I've created a simple repos, but when I'm installing packages from it I get a warning that says this is "untrusted packages" What do I have to change/add in the repos to make the packages trustworthy? [05:04] you need to sign the Release file [05:06] And add the key you signed the Release file with to the apt keyring. [05:09] joejaxx: How do I sign the Release file? [05:10] I've got a rsa keypair [05:10] gpg --sign --detach-sign -a --output Release.gpg Release [05:11] Upload successful. Thanks again. [05:11] StevenK: Thank you! [05:12] c [05:12] ugh [05:12] SlimG: It seems to be a black art - that came from script. [05:12] A script, that is. === ajmitch wonders if TheMuso's kvm inserts 'ugh' each time that happens [05:12] ajmitch: No. [05:13] I am just well aware of it when it happens. === StevenK chuckles. [05:13] Well as of Gutsy, I won't be using speakup any more, so it shouldn't happen any more. [05:14] Woooo! [05:15] speakup? === joejaxx googles [05:15] SlimG: yes that is the command the one StevenK gave you [05:15] speakup, otherwise known as a Linux console reader, that has been coded so badly its not worth looking at the code, unless you really want to feel sick. [05:16] TheMuso: ah ok :) [05:17] TheMuso: What are you switching to? [05:17] StevenK: GNOME. [05:17] TheMuso: Speaking of, did you know JAWS on Vista sucks big time? [05:17] StevenK: Yes. [05:17] Ahh. :-) [05:18] And not likely to get much better any time soon. [05:18] But like I care. [05:18] TheMuso: Bart brought a new laptop with Vista Ultimate. I loaded JAWS, and Bart discovered it has a half a second pause before it starts talking. [05:18] ouch [05:19] TheMuso: Within the first day, the thing had blue screened twice, too. [05:19] Ok thats certainly not good. [05:19] TheMuso: Early the next day, it was getting Ubuntu-ified. [05:19] heh [05:19] heh [05:19] isnt vista supposed to be highly accessible? [05:20] you shouldnt need jaws? [05:20] The built in speech is worse than JAWS [05:20] StevenK: Well I have finally been able to get my hands on a copy of ttsynth/IBM ViaVoice. [05:21] StevenK: And you wouldn't believe what shared library it needs to run... [05:21] TheMuso: g++ 2.95... [05:22] libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 [05:22] from gcc-2.95 [05:22] Yes, that's what I said. :-) [05:22] Yeah I know, but I wnated to be more pedantic. :) [05:23] TheMuso: I've set up ViaVoice on four or five Ubuntu machines, I'm well aware. :-) [05:23] StevenK: So I don't see it having a bright future. [05:24] wasnt viavoice EOL'd years ago? [05:24] Didn't IBM just up and drop lsr? [05:24] yep. [05:24] They're known to do things like that. [05:24] TheMuso: I can see it requiring what it did a few years ago, which was a seperate chroot because of the age of the shared libraries it used. [05:25] Yep. [05:25] Which is a pity, since outloud isn't bad. [05:25] Its a wonder Ubuntu/Debian still has gcc-2.95 around. [05:25] StevenK: Well its a very very popular voice in the blind community, particularly on Windows. === StevenK nods. [05:26] I wonder why Bart and Sean use JAWS then, as opposed to ViaVoice. [05:26] Probably because of what Jaws can do. [05:27] Just guessing. [05:27] bug #122224 - does my comment make sense and if so, how do i request a rebuild of saods9? [05:27] Launchpad bug 122224 in saods9 "Error while loading libtifftcl1.0.so" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122224 [05:27] I use outloud/viavoice/whatever you want to call it on my notebook, and find it very useful. [05:27] /c [05:28] damn === TheMuso is ready to rip speakup from the kernel and break it into several thousand more pieces. [05:28] Heh heh [05:28] AndyP: You upload a -Xbuild1 version. [05:28] AndyP: I'm happy to do so for you, if you wish. [05:29] StevenK: that would be great, thanks [05:30] AndyP: It will sit in UNACCEPTed until it gets shoved in. [05:30] Just due to the archive being frozen. [05:31] StevenK: ok, i'll poke the bug to reflect that [05:33] oi oi [05:33] hello nixternal [05:33] hiya joejaxx [05:33] :) [05:34] AndyP: Just doing a test build locally. [05:35] StevenK: oh ok, hope it's a simple one :) [05:36] AndyP: It's a rebuild-only upload, sure, but what you need to realise is that this package was last touched at this point in Feisty's release cycle, and the toolchain and dependant packages have moved on since then. [05:36] fitschan.c:29177: warning: value computed is not used [05:36] fitschan.c:29201: warning: value computed is not used [05:36] Oh, yummy. And the line numbers scare me. [05:36] StevenK: yeah i understand that, which is why i'm hoping [05:36] hmm :/ [05:37] StevenK: you should've told me to do the test build, you know ;) === StevenK shrugs. [05:38] AndyP: He'd have probably done it again anyway. [05:38] Yes. [05:39] It's not that I don't trust you ... Oh, wait, it is. :-) [05:39] heh [05:39] AndyP: No offense meant, of course. [05:39] StevenK: none taken :) [05:40] I have an internal list of people I trust to not check their work carefully, for which I will usually skip the test build. Everyone else gets a test build and scrutiny. [05:40] technically i shouldn't be trusted at all, my gpg key has no signatures ;) [05:41] StevenK: and that internal list is 1 line long? [05:41] It isn't, actually. [05:41] Shorter? [05:42] i was assuming 1 line for a title... [05:42] I'm not going to name names, but it's six. [05:43] StevenK: IMO no such list shoudl exist. if the person doesn't have upload rights to a part of the archive, you test build/check anyway. [05:43] Thats what I do. [05:44] TheMuso: The checklist I have for promoting people to the list is arduous ... [05:45] vgthbjnkop'[ [05:45] sounds like the debian NM process [05:45] Damnit. [05:45] People typing over my shoulder. [05:45] StevenK: Right. === ajmitch doubts he'll be on StevenK's list, since he never asks StevenK to upload stuff [05:45] AndyP: Much less stressful, and doesn't involve them applying - Don't call me, I'll call you, etc. [05:45] :) [05:46] Well, yeah, I've had to have seen your work first. :-) === StevenK sighs. [05:46] saods9 blows up. [05:46] ho hum === StevenK investigates further. === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-084-000.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-084-000.sc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === TheMuso tairs his hair out at lazy people on the ubuntu accessibility list. You tell them to search for what they want, but they *NEVER* listen, and keep asking the stupid questions over and over again. [05:48] I don't respond to them, and most people don't, but they still ask. [05:48] I wish I could give these people a bloody reality check. === TheMuso thinks that they have been spoon fed all their lives, and expect the same from the online community. [05:49] Whoa. [05:49] TheMuso: Chill. :-) [05:50] TheMuso: Feel better now that you got it all out? [05:50] StevenK: Oh I'm over it now. [05:50] StevenK: Its just that I wish you could tell thes epeople to look themselves or get lost. [05:50] Quote the bible at them? Help comes to those who help themselves, etc, etc? [05:51] heh that could be an option... === tuxmaniac_ [n=tuxmania@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jetole [n=jetole@c-67-191-47-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === qnyc [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] hey guys, I know this may be the wrong room to ask but #ubuntu is over crowded with no one who has answered yet so I hope someone can please give me a quick solution, when you un install software and the un install script for that software is failing which never allows apt-get to do anything about it and it reruns every time, how do I force this software off my system? vmware-player in this case [05:54] well [05:54] what does dpkg tell you? Is it the package's prerm script? Look there. /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.prerm [05:54] for starters please file a bug [05:54] so that we can fix the maintainer script [05:54] secondly, follow what crimsun asks you ;) [05:55] If you are using the version from the Ubuntu repositories. [05:55] good point :) [05:55] otherwise file a bug with whoever you got the package from :) [05:55] well I don't think it is a bug, I think I manually installed two versions of required libs, one not current which caused the issue [05:55] but I am about to look at what crimsun just said [05:55] what do you mean by 'manually installed' [05:55] synaptic [05:56] my mistake, not a download from vmware but I did select it from ubuntu repositories [05:56] then its a bug [05:56] lifeless: he may mean selected vs automatically pulled in (but i'm not certain) [05:56] you should not be able to wedge the system installing things from ubuntu [05:57] if you can, its a bug. You can therefor its a bug. Please file a bug with the error that occurs [05:57] we can immediately look at that to help debug whats going on and fix it for you === StevenK sighs at CVS. [05:58] right, I see a simple shell script here that is returning errors from another shell script, can change this to #!/bin/bash => exit 0 and have it remove it? [05:58] and ok, I will file a bug report === StevenK sighs that converting from CVS to SVN with 7 years of history is nigh on impossible. === Fujitsu sighs that using SVN and losing immediate access to all history is probably better than using CVS. === jetole is about to backup this file and make the changes I just suggested [06:00] StevenK: use the launchpad import service; convert to bzr [06:00] lifeless: Private source for $WORK. [06:00] StevenK: we do more than 7 hears history just fine. Alternatively you could use the cvs-import plugin for bzr [06:00] Use cscvs manually, then. [06:00] Or that. [06:00] Besides, the CVS repository in questions is roughly 5Gb. [06:00] which for entire conversions is possibly a better option that cscvs. [06:00] StevenK: and? [06:01] I've haven't tried selling people on bzr. [06:01] 'bzr svnserve' :) [06:01] ok, ok, thats still a little immature. [06:01] SVN fell over because there is roughly 17,000 tags in the CVS repository. [06:02] tags is one thing i wish subversion would do better [06:02] Merging is what I really hate about Subversion. === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03]