[12:20] <DktrKranz> TheMuso, could I ask you a question about your comment in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5757 ?
[12:21] <ScottK> DktrKranz: His comment seems straightforward.  What was the question?
[12:22] <DktrKranz> ScottK, I'm unable to determine which empty files he is referring
[12:22] <DktrKranz> surely I'm wrong
[12:22] <ScottK> Ah.
[12:23] <ScottK> Do you have debian/dirs and debian/docs files?
[12:23] <DktrKranz> I've got debian/oggconf.dirs and debian/oggconf.docs actually
[12:23] <ScottK> Are they empty?
[12:23] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[12:24] <DktrKranz> no
[12:24] <TheMuso> ah I see what you are talking aobut.
[12:24] <TheMuso> about even
[12:24] <TheMuso> I applied the diff from revu, which didn't delete those files.
[12:25] <DktrKranz> ah, sorry for that
[12:25] <TheMuso> np
[12:25] <DktrKranz> I didn't mention I renamed them
[12:25] <TheMuso> I saw that you did in the diff, its just that they weren't deleted. No problem, all sorted.
[12:25] <TheMuso> I'll give it another look over once I've gone through my morning email batch.
[12:26] <DktrKranz> ok, thanks for your time :)
[12:26] <TheMuso> No problem.
[12:27] <ajmitch> morning
[12:28] <TheMuso> Heya ajmitch.
[12:34] <DktrKranz> night all
[12:36] <tarzeau> yay http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ now with ubuntu-best-friends links
[12:46] <pygi> ajmitch, we package eggs? :)
[12:47] <ajmitch> yes
[12:47] <jmg> ajmitch: python-pyinotify was a packaged egg
[12:48] <ajmitch> I'm sure there are several
[12:48] <ajmitch> but I know that it can be simplified
[12:48] <pygi> afaik egg is just like a tarball
[12:48] <pygi> kindof
[12:48] <ajmitch> yes, it is
[12:48] <ajmitch> with some extra info
[12:48] <pygi> indeed :)
[12:48] <pygi> that's why I said "kindof" :)
[12:49] <ajmitch> jmg: pyinotify has nothing egg-specific about it
[12:52] <ajmitch> aha, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPythonFAQ
[12:55] <ajmitch> you do?
[12:55] <calc> hehe
[12:56] <ajmitch> hah, cool
[12:56] <ajmitch> WARNING: 'python-mechanize' is maintained in the 'Svn' version control system at:
[12:56] <ajmitch> 'svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-zope/python-mechanize/trunk'
[12:56] <calc> ajmitch: got a +1 from stefan today
[12:56] <ajmitch> on doing 'apt-get source python-mechanize'
[12:56] <ajmitch> calc: that's good
[12:56] <calc> also got the ooo security update uploaded :)
[12:57] <ajmitch> after much pain & anguish, I presume
[12:58] <calc> ajmitch: downloading lots of stuff yea
[12:58] <calc> ajmitch: the update was easy just required several GB of downloads
[12:58] <calc> took around 4hr between dapper/edgy builds
[12:59] <gnomefreak> mem leaks are not fixable in feisty are they?
[12:59] <nixternal> depends on how "extreme" they are I am guessing
[01:01] <gnomefreak> nixternal: it fails to allow you to use java apps. i have fixed version (not fixed for that but fixes that in my feisty repo.
[01:01] <nixternal> what is failing?
[01:02] <gnomefreak> hold on ill get bug number
[01:02] <gnomefreak> bug 122442
[01:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122442 in sun-java6 "Memleak in Sun Java 6 on ubuntu feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122442
[01:03] <gnomefreak> lock up on eclipse, frostwire, he uses my java and it works fine
[01:06] <nixternal> ahhh, I don't get the lock on eclipse, but the Frostwire issue was reported a while ago at Frostwire...is it an Ubuntu problem, or a general Sun Java 6 issue?
[01:09] <gnomefreak> i dont know but gutsy's current java6 fixes it. this is after asac's patch for firefox symlink
[01:10] <nixternal> ahh, OK, that might explain why I don't have the problem :)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> i put newest ff in repo than had to bring java to fix the symlink issue and that java fixes teh issue with frostwire and eclipse
[01:12] <DarkSun88> G'night.
[01:38] <jmg> Fujitsu: based at mountain view?
[01:38] <Fujitsu> jmg: All three of them, yes. Very practical.
[01:38] <AndyP> Fujitsu: my commiserations
[01:38] <superm1> Fujitsu, evil?
[01:38] <Fujitsu> superm1: Well, Google is evil, so their job opportunities must be.
[01:39] <jmg> Fujitsu: are you going to accept?
[01:39] <jmg> Fujitsu: are you going to work on goobuntu?
[01:39] <pygi> Fujitsu, a lot of people are getting that lately
[01:39] <pygi> jmg, it's just the interview now :)
[01:39] <jmg> Fujitsu: are you pH.D?
[01:39] <Fujitsu> pygi: I know.
[01:39] <TheMuso> Sounds like spam...
[01:39] <TheMuso> To me anyway.
[01:39] <TheMuso> .c
[01:39] <TheMuso> ugh
[01:40] <jmg> pygi: 'job offer' generally implies an offer to begin employment, eg, the interview process has already concluded
[01:41] <pygi> jmg, yes, but google never does that
[01:41] <Fujitsu> jmg: Well, wrong terminology on my part.
[01:41] <pygi> jmg, it's a scout that messaged him
[01:41] <pygi> TheMuso, why spam? :P
[01:41] <jmg> request for interest
[01:41] <jmg> expressions of
[01:43] <vbabiy> Hello Everyone
[01:43] <pygi> hey vbabiy 
[01:44] <vbabiy> I am a developer and I would like to start helping out the Ubuntu team where should I start
[01:44] <superm1> vbabiy, particularly you wanted to help out with packaging?
[01:44] <superm1> or getting apps you develop into ubuntu?
[01:45] <vbabiy> well I have not start any apps yet, I was hopping to join a development team
[01:45] <superm1> vbabiy, most of the apps in ubuntu are developed outside of ubuntu from upstream sources
[01:46] <superm1> So is there an app you wanted to help out with?
[01:46] <vbabiy> Not one in general
[01:46] <vbabiy> I wish there was a quicken being developed for Linux
[01:47] <vbabiy> for business accounting 
[01:47] <superm1> you might want to get with the gnucash guys then
[01:47] <vbabiy> ok
[01:48] <superm1> what this group in ubuntu does is focuses around getting upstream apps into ubuntu and packaging them up into debian source packages
[01:48] <superm1> as well as merging packages from debian
[01:48] <vbabiy> superm1: okay what would we the best way of packaging up mplayer for svn to a deb package
[01:49] <superm1> so if that sounds interesting to you like something you'd like to help with, take a look at the sites in the topic
[01:49] <superm1> as well as
[01:49] <superm1> !packagingguide | vbabiy 
[01:49] <ubotu> vbabiy: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[01:49] <vbabiy> okay I will take a look at that
[01:49] <vbabiy> thanks alot superm1
[01:50] <superm1> gl vbabiy, hope to see you in here joining to help :)
[01:50] <vbabiy> I plan on it
[01:50] <AndyP> !contribute
[01:50] <ubotu> To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[01:50] <vbabiy> I owe the community for create such a beautiful  OS 
[01:50] <AndyP> that's worth a read too
[01:56] <_Enchained> hi Motus
[02:06] <_Enchained> nobody ?
[02:06] <AndyP> a lot of us aren't MOTUs :)
[02:07] <TheMuso> heh
[02:07] <TheMuso> I used to do that, and was told the same thing.
[02:07] <_Enchained> ok
[02:11] <superm1> TheMuso, would you have a few moments for a revu?
[02:12] <TheMuso> superm1: Sure, as soon as I finish looking at some other stuff.
[02:13] <superm1> cool great.  the url is at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5776 when you get a moment
[02:13] <TheMuso> thanks
[02:14] <_Enchained> TheMuso tou're motu ?
[02:14] <_Enchained> you're *
[02:14] <_Enchained> are you* (in correct english :x)
[02:15] <TheMuso> _Enchained: Yes I am a motu.
[02:16] <_Enchained> I've updated a package to review (+advocate :p) if you have any time
[02:16] <_Enchained> (It had a +1)
[02:16] <_Enchained> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5777
[02:18] <superm1> _Enchained, in looking is there a reason why you don't list AUTHORS as a doc?
[02:19] <_Enchained> forgot it maybe :s
[02:20] <_Enchained> should I put INSTALL and REDME in docs ?
[02:20] <_Enchained> README*
[02:20] <superm1> _Enchained, i'll see if anything else stands out after the build finishes
[02:25] <superm1> _Enchained, the build looks clean :).  I would also ship those other two docs, if you look at the debian new maintainers guide, pretty much all top level docs are shipped (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-docs)
[02:26] <TheMuso> _Enchained: if you want to add those files, and let me know when you've updated it, I'll do my review from that point.
[02:26] <_Enchained> yes
[02:26] <_Enchained> in a few minutes
[02:26] <_Enchained> (it's a little package)
[02:27] <TheMuso> Sure.
[02:30] <TheMuso> _Enchained: Oh a couple more things, before you go much further...
[02:30] <_Enchained> yes?
[02:30] <TheMuso> _Enchained: You don't need dh_installexamples, dh_installman and dh_link in debian/rules.
[02:31] <TheMuso>  /c
[02:31] <TheMuso> ugh
[02:35] <_Enchained> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5778 but a new (with corrections is incoming)
[02:35] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[02:35] <TheMuso> I still have it open in my browser.
[02:36] <TheMuso> _Enchained: Ok, I see the new upload.
[02:37] <TheMuso> _Enchained: Why did you remove NEWS?
[02:37] <_Enchained> it xas empty
[02:37] <_Enchained> was*
[02:37] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[02:37] <_Enchained> 5778 is not the latest
[02:38] <TheMuso> Ok your newer one hasn't appeared yet.
[02:38] <_Enchained> (the incoming one have dh_ ... removed)
[02:38] <TheMuso> Anyway, I am running a test build.
[02:38] <_Enchained> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5779
[02:44] <TheMuso> _Enchained: Ok, running a test build of your package.
[02:44] <_Enchained> thx
[02:45] <_Enchained> (If you can, there is also a package to remove from REVU)
[02:45] <TheMuso> Do you mean to be archived?
[02:46] <_Enchained> I don't know
[02:46] <_Enchained> deleted I think
[02:46] <_Enchained> It's a software not developped and maintened anymore
[02:46] <TheMuso> Right.
[02:46] <_Enchained> and cause problems ti build
[02:46] <_Enchained> to*
[02:46] <TheMuso> Whats the name of the package/
[02:46] <_Enchained> gmencoder
[02:47] <TheMuso> Ok will have a look. I am not a revu admin, but if needs archiving, I can do that.
[02:47] <TheMuso> _Enchained: Done.
[02:47] <_Enchained> Ok thx
[02:50] <_Enchained> (I go to sleep now)
[02:57] <TheMuso> Ok, +1 for the package.
[03:09] <RAOF_> bluekuja: Hey, I looking at your gst-plugins-farsight merge (bug #114444) that's been stalled for nearly a month.  Are you going to finish that, or shall I?
[03:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114444 in gst-plugins-farsight "merge gst-plugins-farsight-0.12.1 from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114444
[03:11] <TheMuso> RAOF: I think there is a reason why that wasn't competed. I remember conversation about that in here at some point, but can't remembre exactly what was said, unless I was to go log digging.
[03:11] <TheMuso> completed even
[03:11] <RAOF> Possibly because of the dh_gstscancodecs failure?
[03:12] <TheMuso> Dunno.
[03:14] <RAOF> Ok, I'll leave it for a while.
[03:46] <TheMuso> Ok guys, no other deriv has look.
[03:47] <TheMuso> They have artwork, /c
[03:47] <TheMuso> ugh
[03:47] <TheMuso> woops wrong window.
[03:59] <ajmitch> crimsun: very sad to see you leave core-dev at the end of gutsy
[03:59] <TheMuso> ajmitch: hear hear!
[03:59] <tritium> ajmitch: oh my, really?
[03:59] <ajmitch> TheMuso: very apt, given the subject of his mail
[04:00] <ajmitch> tritium: yes, apparantly he won't be online much for ~3 years
[04:00] <TheMuso> ajmitch: haha
[04:00] <tritium> Wow.  Is this on the -devel mailing list/
[04:00] <tritium> ?
[04:00] <ajmitch> tritium: yes
[04:01] <TheMuso> -devel-discuss I think.
[04:02] <ajmitch> right, they both end up in 1 mail folder here
[04:04] <tritium> That's depressing.  So soon, too.
[04:04] <RAOF> Can we get him a "leaving Ubuntu" present?
[04:04] <StevenK> Heh
[04:05] <Fujitsu> :(
[04:05] <tritium> ScottK: where is he moving to?
[04:05] <StevenK> Damn it all, *update*
[04:05] <ScottK> Maryland, USA
[04:05] <TheMuso> StevenK: Are your feet sore yet?
[04:06] <TheMuso> Witha ll the kicking you do.
[04:06] <RAOF> Also, it seems that the dh_gstscancodecs error of the farsight merge bug is due to a bug in upstream's build system
[04:06] <StevenK> TheMuso: Come here, I'll kick you. :-P
[04:06] <ScottK> StevenK: I'll hold while you kick.
[04:07] <StevenK> RAOF: I figured you were, I just have no idea what.
[04:07] <TheMuso> What? And make your feet even more sore? I don't want to hurt you.
[04:07] <RAOF> StevenK: An "I ruled ALSA" shirt, signed by the sabdfl?
[04:07] <RAOF> :)
[04:10] <StevenK> RAOF: "I maintained ALSA for Ubuntu in over 4 releases, and all I got was this crappy shirt" ?
[04:10] <ScottK> just in case anyone was thinking of trying for a suprise...
[04:10] <RAOF> ScottK: Maybe he can suggest a present :)
[04:15] <ajmitch> ScottK: it's actually not too hard, just a thin wrapper around the standard ldap lib
[04:16] <TheMuso> How busy is devel discuss?
[04:16] <RAOF> Not terribly.
[04:16] <AndyP> not very busy usually... sometimes there's a hot topic which people like to jump on but usually it's quiet
[04:16] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:18] <ScottK> It depends greatly on whether or not a controversial Launchpad change has just been announced.
[04:18] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:18] <ajmitch> it's better than sounder
[04:18] <RAOF> Heh.
[04:19] <ajmitch> where they're holding the annual debate over mail replies, top-quoting, etc
[04:19] <ScottK> Annual isn't so bad.  I'm subscribed to one list where it seems to come up weekly.
[04:19] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[04:19] <ScottK> Good evening Hobbsee
[04:19] <RAOF> Afternoon, Hobbsee 
[04:20] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee .
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch, ScottK, RAOF and TheMuso :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: that'd be smart
[04:24] <SlimG> Is there a indirect way of displaying the copyright file content?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> SlimG: /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/copyright
[04:29] <SlimG> Hobbsee: indirectly, I was thinking if there is an app/script to display the copyright file of a package nicely formatted? Like man <package> does for /usr/share/man/man<category>/<package>.<category>.gz  ?
[04:30] <RAOF> Anyone feel like testing and/or sponsoring bug #122113?  I think it'd be nice to have working virtualisation for Tribe-2 :)
[04:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122113 in kvm "[Merge]  Please merge kvm-28-4 from Debian Unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122113
[04:31] <Hobbsee> SlimG: hmm.  no idea.
[04:31] <ajmitch> interesting, http://www.klikit.org/
[04:31] <ajmitch> RAOF: you'd have to get it by the scary release people
[04:31] <ajmitch> or is it not in main yet?
[04:31] <RAOF> ajmitch: It's not main, though?  I thought only main packages required revu
[04:32] <RAOF> Yeah, it's not main.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> it's not in main.
[04:32] <ajmitch> interesting, I'm sure it was promoted
[04:33] <ajmitch> given that it was mentioned in the tribe 1 announcement
[04:33] <SlimG> Hobbsee: Mkay, I guess the copyright file is formatted to be directly human readable and doesn't need to be preformatted
[04:33] <ajmitch> RAOF: I just checked, it's not
[04:34] <jmg> whats so great about klikit?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:36] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it's all good when the community is small.
[04:37] <RAOF> And consists mainly of developers?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> well, not even that
[04:39] <jmg> Hobbsee: like bittorrent, it doesnt scale?
[04:40] <RAOF> bluekuja: Ping, re: gst-plugins-farsight
[04:42] <guest334> What is the current procedure for requesting GPG keyring sync on REVU? I've emailed two different @tiber.tauware.de addresses with no response.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> guest334: ask on here :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> jmg: yeah
[04:45] <guest334> What details should I provide for the request?
[04:45] <guest334> Just the GPG key id?
[04:47] <RAOF> Just that you want the keyring sync'd.
[04:47] <ajmitch> amazing, mako on the board of the FSF
[04:49] <guest334> And this sync is with keys registered on launchpad? Some of the online Ubuntu documents imply that one has to explicitly make a request for a specific key, and receive a response, before being able to upload.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> guest334: those ones are out of date.  it's with the ubuntu-universe-contributors team in laucnhapd
[04:51] <Hobbsee> !revu
[04:51] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[04:52] <AndyP> bashelier: ping? did you package the new upstream version of podbrowser? bug #122392
[04:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122392 in podbrowser "podbrowser depends on Gtk2::Ex::PodViewer 0.16, but 0.14 in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122392
[04:54] <guest334> My question is with respect to REVU upload. I have registered with launchpad and am a member of the ubuntu-universe-contributors team. Do I need to do anything else?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> guest334: it's done
[04:56] <Hobbsee> guest334: you should be able to upload now
[04:57] <guest334> I'll give it a try. Many thanks.
[05:03] <SlimG> I've created a simple repos, but when I'm installing packages from it I get a warning that says this is "untrusted packages" What do I have to change/add in the repos to make the packages trustworthy?
[05:04] <joejaxx> you need to sign the Release file
[05:06] <StevenK> And add the key you signed the Release file with to the apt keyring.
[05:09] <SlimG> joejaxx: How do I sign the Release file?
[05:10] <SlimG> I've got a rsa keypair
[05:10] <StevenK> gpg --sign --detach-sign -a --output Release.gpg Release
[05:11] <guest334> Upload successful. Thanks again.
[05:11] <SlimG> StevenK: Thank you!
[05:12] <TheMuso> c
[05:12] <TheMuso> ugh
[05:12] <StevenK> SlimG: It seems to be a black art - that came from script.
[05:12] <StevenK> A script, that is.
[05:12] <TheMuso> ajmitch: No.
[05:13] <TheMuso> I am just well aware of it when it happens.
[05:13] <TheMuso> Well as of Gutsy, I won't be using speakup any more, so it shouldn't happen any more.
[05:14] <RAOF> Woooo!
[05:15] <joejaxx> speakup?
[05:15] <joejaxx> SlimG: yes that is the command the one StevenK gave you
[05:15] <TheMuso> speakup, otherwise known as a Linux console reader, that has been coded so badly its not worth looking at the code, unless you really want to feel sick.
[05:16] <joejaxx> TheMuso: ah ok :)
[05:17] <StevenK> TheMuso: What are you switching to?
[05:17] <TheMuso> StevenK: GNOME.
[05:17] <StevenK> TheMuso: Speaking of, did you know JAWS on Vista sucks big time?
[05:17] <TheMuso> StevenK: Yes.
[05:17] <StevenK> Ahh. :-)
[05:18] <TheMuso> And not likely to get much better any time soon.
[05:18] <TheMuso> But like I care.
[05:18] <StevenK> TheMuso: Bart brought a new laptop with Vista Ultimate. I loaded JAWS, and Bart discovered it has a half a second pause before it starts talking.
[05:18] <TheMuso> ouch
[05:19] <StevenK> TheMuso: Within the first day, the thing had blue screened twice, too.
[05:19] <TheMuso> Ok thats certainly not good.
[05:19] <StevenK> TheMuso: Early the next day, it was getting Ubuntu-ified.
[05:19] <TheMuso> heh
[05:19] <jmg> heh
[05:19] <jmg> isnt vista supposed to be highly accessible?
[05:20] <jmg> you shouldnt need jaws?
[05:20] <StevenK> The built in speech is worse than JAWS
[05:20] <TheMuso> StevenK: Well I have finally been able to get my hands on a copy of ttsynth/IBM ViaVoice.
[05:21] <TheMuso> StevenK: And you wouldn't believe what shared library it needs to run...
[05:21] <StevenK> TheMuso: g++ 2.95...
[05:22] <TheMuso> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[05:22] <TheMuso> from gcc-2.95
[05:22] <StevenK> Yes, that's what I said. :-)
[05:22] <TheMuso> Yeah I know, but I wnated to be more pedantic. :)
[05:23] <StevenK> TheMuso: I've set up ViaVoice on four or five Ubuntu machines, I'm well aware. :-)
[05:23] <TheMuso> StevenK: So I don't see it having a bright future.
[05:24] <jmg> wasnt viavoice EOL'd years ago?
[05:24] <StevenK> Didn't IBM just up and drop lsr?
[05:24] <TheMuso> yep.
[05:24] <TheMuso> They're known to do things like that.
[05:24] <StevenK> TheMuso: I can see it requiring what it did a few years ago, which was a seperate chroot because of the age of the shared libraries it used.
[05:25] <TheMuso> Yep.
[05:25] <StevenK> Which is a pity, since outloud isn't bad.
[05:25] <TheMuso> Its a wonder Ubuntu/Debian still has gcc-2.95 around.
[05:25] <TheMuso> StevenK: Well its a very very popular voice in the blind community, particularly on Windows.
[05:26] <StevenK> I wonder why Bart and Sean use JAWS then, as opposed to ViaVoice.
[05:26] <TheMuso> Probably because of what Jaws can do.
[05:27] <TheMuso> Just guessing.
[05:27] <AndyP> bug #122224 - does my comment make sense and if so, how do i request a rebuild of saods9?
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122224 in saods9 "Error while loading libtifftcl1.0.so" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122224
[05:27] <TheMuso> I use outloud/viavoice/whatever you want to call it on my notebook, and find it very useful.
[05:27] <TheMuso>  /c
[05:28] <TheMuso> damn
[05:28] <StevenK> Heh heh
[05:28] <StevenK> AndyP: You upload a -Xbuild1 version.
[05:28] <StevenK> AndyP: I'm happy to do so for you, if you wish.
[05:29] <AndyP> StevenK: that would be great, thanks
[05:30] <StevenK> AndyP: It will sit in UNACCEPTed until it gets shoved in.
[05:30] <StevenK> Just due to the archive being frozen.
[05:31] <AndyP> StevenK: ok, i'll poke the bug to reflect that
[05:33] <nixternal> oi oi
[05:33] <joejaxx> hello nixternal 
[05:33] <nixternal> hiya joejaxx 
[05:33] <joejaxx> :)
[05:34] <StevenK> AndyP: Just doing a test build locally.
[05:35] <AndyP> StevenK: oh ok, hope it's a simple one :)
[05:36] <StevenK> AndyP: It's a rebuild-only upload, sure, but what you need to realise is that this package was last touched at this point in Feisty's release cycle, and the toolchain and dependant packages have moved on since then.
[05:36] <StevenK> fitschan.c:29177: warning: value computed is not used
[05:36] <StevenK> fitschan.c:29201: warning: value computed is not used
[05:36] <StevenK> Oh, yummy. And the line numbers scare me.
[05:36] <AndyP> StevenK: yeah i understand that, which is why i'm hoping
[05:36] <AndyP> hmm :/
[05:37] <AndyP> StevenK: you should've told me to do the test build, you know ;)
[05:38] <ScottK> AndyP: He'd have probably done it again anyway.
[05:38] <StevenK> Yes.
[05:39] <StevenK> It's not that I don't trust you ... Oh, wait, it is. :-)
[05:39] <AndyP> heh
[05:39] <StevenK> AndyP: No offense meant, of course.
[05:39] <AndyP> StevenK: none taken :)
[05:40] <StevenK> I have an internal list of people I trust to not check their work carefully, for which I will usually skip the test build. Everyone else gets a test build and scrutiny.
[05:40] <AndyP> technically i shouldn't be trusted at all, my gpg key has no signatures ;)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> StevenK: and that internal list is 1 line long?
[05:41] <StevenK> It isn't, actually.
[05:41] <ScottK> Shorter?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> i was assuming 1 line for a title...
[05:42] <StevenK> I'm not going to name names, but it's six.
[05:43] <TheMuso> StevenK: IMO no such list shoudl exist. if the person doesn't have upload rights to a part of the archive, you test build/check anyway.
[05:43] <TheMuso> Thats what I do.
[05:44] <StevenK> TheMuso: The checklist I have for promoting people to the list is arduous ...
[05:45] <Fujitsu> vgthbjnkop'[
[05:45] <AndyP> sounds like the debian NM process
[05:45] <Fujitsu> Damnit.
[05:45] <Fujitsu> People typing over my shoulder.
[05:45] <TheMuso> StevenK: Right.
[05:45] <StevenK> AndyP: Much less stressful, and doesn't involve them applying - Don't call me, I'll call you, etc.
[05:45] <AndyP> :)
[05:46] <StevenK> Well, yeah, I've had to have seen your work first. :-)
[05:46] <StevenK> saods9 blows up.
[05:46] <AndyP> ho hum
[05:48] <TheMuso> I don't respond to them, and most people don't, but they still ask.
[05:48] <TheMuso> I wish I could give these people a bloody reality check.
[05:49] <StevenK> Whoa.
[05:49] <StevenK> TheMuso: Chill. :-)
[05:50] <ScottK> TheMuso: Feel better now that you got it all out?
[05:50] <TheMuso> StevenK: Oh I'm over it now.
[05:50] <TheMuso> StevenK: Its just that I wish you could tell thes epeople to look themselves or get lost.
[05:50] <StevenK> Quote the bible at them? Help comes to those who help themselves, etc, etc?
[05:51] <TheMuso> heh that could be an option...
[05:53] <jetole> hey guys, I know this may be the wrong room to ask but #ubuntu is over crowded with no one who has answered yet so I hope someone can please give me a quick solution, when you un install software and the un install script for that software is failing which never allows apt-get to do anything about it and it reruns every time, how do I force this software off my system? vmware-player in this case
[05:54] <lifeless> well
[05:54] <crimsun> what does dpkg tell you?  Is it the package's prerm script?  Look there.  /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.prerm
[05:54] <lifeless> for starters please file a bug
[05:54] <lifeless> so that we can fix the maintainer script
[05:54] <lifeless> secondly, follow what crimsun asks you ;)
[05:55] <ScottK> If you are using the version from the Ubuntu repositories.
[05:55] <lifeless> good point :)
[05:55] <calc> otherwise file a bug with whoever you got the package from :)
[05:55] <jetole> well I don't think it is a bug, I think I manually installed two versions of required libs, one not current which caused the issue
[05:55] <jetole> but I am about to look at what crimsun just said
[05:55] <lifeless> what do you mean by 'manually installed'
[05:55] <jetole> synaptic
[05:56] <jetole> my mistake, not a download from vmware but I did select it from ubuntu repositories
[05:56] <lifeless> then its a bug
[05:56] <calc> lifeless: he may mean selected vs automatically pulled in (but i'm not certain)
[05:56] <lifeless> you should not be able to wedge the system installing things from ubuntu
[05:57] <lifeless> if you can, its a bug. You can therefor its a bug. Please file a bug with the error that occurs
[05:57] <lifeless> we can immediately look at that to help debug whats going on and fix it for you
[05:58] <jetole> right, I see a simple shell script here that is returning errors from another shell script, can change this to #!/bin/bash => exit 0 and have it remove it?
[05:58] <jetole> and ok, I will file a bug report
[06:00] <lifeless> StevenK: use the launchpad import service; convert to bzr
[06:00] <StevenK> lifeless: Private source for $WORK.
[06:00] <lifeless> StevenK: we do more than 7 hears history just fine. Alternatively you could use the cvs-import plugin for bzr
[06:00] <Fujitsu> Use cscvs manually, then.
[06:00] <Fujitsu> Or that.
[06:00] <StevenK> Besides, the CVS repository in questions is roughly 5Gb.
[06:00] <lifeless> which for entire conversions is possibly a better option that cscvs.
[06:00] <lifeless> StevenK: and?
[06:01] <StevenK> I've haven't tried selling people on bzr.
[06:01] <lifeless> 'bzr svnserve' :)
[06:01] <lifeless> ok, ok, thats still a little immature.
[06:01] <StevenK> SVN fell over because there is roughly 17,000 tags in the CVS repository.
[06:02] <AndyP> tags is one thing i wish subversion would do better
[06:02] <Fujitsu> Merging is what I really hate about Subversion.
[06:03] <StevenK> Merging in Subversion is better (only a little) than CVS.
[06:03] <AndyP> i've never actually done merging with it but from what i hear, i'd dislike it
[06:03] <ajmitch> it's not nice
[06:04] <Fujitsu> bzr's merging is nice.
[06:04] <StevenK> I don't mind how it does tags, I just wish the CVS to SVN conversion script would offer tags/<module>/<tag name> as opposed to tags/<tag name>.
[06:05] <jetole> ok guys, I just traced it down to vmware having a problem stopping virtual ethernet which occured in /etc/init.d/vmware, I found the line within the script and had it return 0 which seems to have fixed everything, so thanks for your help guys
[06:06] <StevenK> And add results in, "already exists, with version number x"
[06:06] <lifeless> jetole: cool! don't forget the bug :)
[06:07] <jetole> I am going to do that right now
[07:15] <StevenK> You're talkative for someone sleeping.
[07:15] <ScottK> Good night all.
[07:16] <ajmitch> night ScottK 
[07:19] <Toadstool> Hola!
[07:22] <Hobbsee> hiya Toadstool 
[07:22] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee!
[07:23] <Toadstool> 'sup?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: do you want the honest answer?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: i'm looking at going to buy a new pair of boots.
[07:23] <Toadstool> ew 
[07:23] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:23] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:24] <Hobbsee> it is a bit, yes
[07:24] <Toadstool> :)
[07:24] <lifeless> you've got nothing on clan
[07:24] <Hobbsee> lifeless: haha, i know.
[07:25] <lifeless> I was just referring to the shoe purchasing compulsion :)
[07:25] <Toadstool> girly girls are boring
[07:25] <Hobbsee> yeha, i figured :)
[07:30] <Toadstool> do you guys check whether a package could be useful before uploading or not?  when I look at REVU I sometimes feel like "wtf is this weird package for?"
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: we try to.  msot of the stuff on REVU sits there for ages
[07:31] <jmg> Toadstool: the use case for many things is quite small
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: i suspect it needs someone to take ownership of the problem and such
[07:32] <jmg> Toadstool: but the fact that someone goes to the effort of packaging and uploading means its useful to at least 1 person
[07:32] <Hobbsee> or they're looking for experience
[07:32] <jmg> yeah
[07:32] <Toadstool> 1 person is quite a small set compared to the maintainance work involved 
[07:32] <Hobbsee> the problem i see is that they upload it once, then never update it again, in a lot of cases
[07:33] <jmg> i picked a simple app when i started packaging that i didnt use
[07:33] <jmg> perhaps a voting system for revu
[07:34] <jmg> that let the packages that are most wanted bubble to the top
[07:34] <jmg> and the stagnant ones that 0 people want sink to the bottom
[07:35] <jmg> i dunno
[07:36] <Toadstool> jmg: that would imply that other people than reviewers actually care about what is rotting on REVU
[07:36] <StevenK> That only works for new packages. REVU is not only for new packages.
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[07:46] <Toadstool> 'morning dholbach!
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hiya dholbach!
[07:46] <dholbach> hi Toadstool, hi Hobbsee
[07:46] <RAOF> Any DDs want to sponsor the Specto package I've finally been able to test on Sid?  http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=specto
[07:47] <RAOF> Afternoon dholbach
[07:47] <dholbach> hiya RAOF
[07:47] <Toadstool> RAOF: although there are a few DDs around, you'd better ask on #debian-mentors or #debian-ubuntu @oftc imo
[07:48] <StevenK> RAOF: I can look at it when I've beaten saods9 into shape.
[07:48] <Toadstool> nevermind :)
[07:48] <RAOF> Toadstool: I've just had offers of sponsorship here, which is why I asked first :)
[07:48] <RAOF> StevenK: It shoud be pretty simple, it's essentially the same pacakge uploaded to Feisty (it took me a while to get around to getting a working Sid install to test it on :-/)
[07:51] <StevenK> I need to update my sid chroots, but they exist. :-)
[07:52] <Toadstool> alright, too much wine, 11pm, gotta be at work early tomorrow morning, off to bed, have a nice $time_of_day!
[07:52] <StevenK> Ahh
[07:53] <RAOF> Also, I needed an i386 install to test democracyplayer in, 'cause there seems to be strange i386-only bugs.  But not anymore :)
[07:58] <nixternal> anyone here running IPv6 right now?
[08:06] <Toadstool> nixternal: yep
[08:06] <nixternal> Toadstool: dmesg |grep IPv6 |awk '{print $4}'
[08:06] <nixternal> what does that give you?
[08:07] <nixternal> I need to get a new router that does ipv6
[08:08] <nixternal> probably not the best way to test for IPv6
[08:08] <Toadstool> nixternal: gives me "routers" twice and "tunneling" once
[08:09] <nixternal> dmesg |grep IPv6 and msg me the output if you wouldn't mind
[08:09] <nixternal> unless of course you know a simple command that will test to see if you have ipv6 lovin' goin' on besides dmesg
[08:09] <Toadstool> I don't mind at all but it's not useful
[08:09] <nixternal> heh, it is just useful I guess if you don't have ipv6 ;)
[08:09] <StevenK> ping6 ::1 ?
[08:10] <Toadstool> nixternal: like a /whois showing that I am connected to freenode using IPv6?
[08:10] <nixternal> I need somethign where I can test it for this app I am writing
[08:10] <StevenK> Try and bind to an IPv6 socket
[08:11] <nixternal> well I can bind here to an IPv6 socket, but my network isn't IPv6
[08:11] <nixternal> hrmm, ifconfig, and then test with a mask might be the best way
[08:12] <Toadstool> nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27374/ <-- is it IPv6-ish enough for you :)
[08:13] <Toadstool> +?
[08:13] <nixternal> Toadstool: that rocks! thanks
[08:36] <RAOF> Oh, pants.  There's a reason g729 isn't enabled by default in the gst-farsight build system.  It's patented. :/
[08:37] <RAOF> So, I can either fix the build system, or work out whether or not it's albe to be included in Universe.
[08:38] <StevenK> RAOF: I strongly suspect the answer is no.
[08:39] <dholbach> HAPPY HUG DAY
[08:39] <RAOF> Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
[08:39] <DarkMageZ> g729?
[08:39] <RAOF> But we ship a bunch of other patented stuff in Universe, right?
[08:39] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: It's a VoIP codec.
[08:40] <RAOF> Crappy quality, but extremely low bitrate (8kbps)
[08:40] <StevenK> I seem to recall G.729 is not distribuate (sp).
[08:41] <StevenK> Mainly because I *think* it attracts royalatly payments.
[08:44] <RAOF> Yeah.  Their glossy site does suggest that.
[08:45] <StevenK> Geez, why can't I spell?
[08:46] <StevenK> RAOF: How long do you think specto will take to test build and upload?
[08:46] <RAOF> StevenK: A couple of minutes?  I'm not entirely sure how much inspecting/testing you want to do, but it's pretty simple.
[08:47] <RAOF> Also, lintian/linda clean :)
[08:48] <StevenK> 0.2.0-1 is what you're trying to get in?
[08:49] <RAOF> 0.2.1-1
[08:50] <RAOF> And it says version: 0.2.1-1
[08:50] <StevenK> I was guessing the version, based on what's in Gutsy.
[08:50] <StevenK> Can I impose on you for a diff of debian between what's in Gutsy and 0.2.1-1?
[08:50] <RAOF> Ah.  Yeah, we rolled all the feisty fixes into a new bugfix release :)
[08:51] <RAOF> Certainly.
[08:54] <RAOF> StevenK: Just the packaging changes, or the whole debdiff?  It's a new upstream version, so the full debdiff is a bit big.
[08:55] <StevenK> RAOF: "Can I impose on you for a diff of debian"
[08:55] <RAOF> Bah, sorry. :/
[08:56] <StevenK> RAOF: May I suggest reading glasses? :-P
[08:59] <RAOF> StevenK: www.cooperteam.net/code/specto-packaging.debdiff
[08:59] <RAOF> Except it's not actually a debdiff.  Too much merging :)
[09:00] <jmg> what does RAOF stand for?
[09:00] <RAOF> running around on fire
[09:00] <jmg> revolutionary army of fascists?
[09:02] <StevenK> Why no dh_iconcache?
[09:03] <RAOF> StevenK: Because Debian doesn't have dh_iconcache.
[09:03] <RAOF> At least, it didn't last time I checked.
[09:03] <StevenK> Surely that means you can't sync it, then?
[09:04] <RAOF> Bah.  True.  I'll need to merge.
[09:04] <StevenK> RAOF: You could test -x /usr/bin/dh_iconcache && dh_iconcache in debian/rules
[09:05] <RAOF> StevenK: Oooh, didn't think of that.  Sneaky.
[09:05] <StevenK> They don't pay me the big DD bucks for nothing.
[09:05] <RAOF> Want me to roll up a new package, then?
[09:05] <StevenK> Er, wait, they don't. :-P
[09:08] <StevenK> RAOF: Slap a new source package together and I'll look at it later tonight.
[09:08] <RAOF> Ok.
[09:08] <RAOF> When is later tonight for you, again? :)
[09:09] <StevenK> And e-mail me your street address so I can bill you.
[09:09] <StevenK> :-P
[09:09] <StevenK> RAOF: Um, "at some point before I go to bed" :-)
[09:10] <RAOF> What I mean is "where are you again?" ;)
[09:10] <StevenK> Roughly 20km west of you, you dork. :-P
[09:11] <RAOF> Ah, sorry :)
[09:11] <RAOF> *blush*
[09:12] <StevenK> I have a pretty horrible memeory, too, but I can at least remember those who are in the same city as me. :-P
[09:12] <RAOF> But your nick is too similar to ScottK's, too!  At least mine is memorable :P.  Not a lot of nick collisions with "raof" :)
[09:13] <StevenK> I was here first!
[09:13] <StevenK> :-P
[09:13] <pygi> stop kicking people
[09:14] <TheMuso> c
[09:14] <TheMuso> urgh
[09:14] <StevenK> pygi: You first. :_P
[09:14] <pygi> StevenK, me what?
[09:14] <StevenK> There's two so far.
[09:14] <StevenK> Er, three.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:15] <Hobbsee> you cant count
[09:16] <RAOF> :)
[09:18] <RAOF> Hm.  My autotools foo is not strong, but it really does seem like ENABLE_G729 is being unconditionally defined.  The appropriate line is "AC_DEFINE(ENABLE_G729, , [Compile ...] )"
[09:20] <pygi> RAOF, nobody is an autotools expert
[09:20] <RAOF> :-/
[09:21] <pygi> After all this years, I actually tend to think not even it's creators understand it
[09:25] <TheMuso> Its very convoluted.
[09:25] <TheMuso> IMO.
[09:27] <TheMuso> Yet its very powerful.
[09:29] <TheMuso> Fun.
[09:29] <TheMuso> Tao?
[09:29] <RAOF> Ah, if I edit configure.ac in a patch, I'm going to need to manually call automake in debian/rules, right?
[09:29] <TheMuso> Yes.
[09:29] <RAOF> TheMuso: OpenGL/game stuff bindings for C#
[09:29] <TheMuso> Autoconf as well I think.
[09:29] <TheMuso> ah.
[09:29] <RAOF> autoconf calls everything for you in the right order, right?
[09:29] <TheMuso> RAOF: automake is only for Makefile.am I *THINK*
[09:30] <RAOF> TheMuso: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's right.
[09:30] <TheMuso> No, autoconf is one of the bits that needs calling.
[09:30] <RAOF> autoreconf?
[09:30] <TheMuso> Let me see if I can dig it up.
[09:30] <RAOF> Yeah, it's autoreconf that I'm thinking of.
[09:31] <RAOF> I've got the autotools pdf from a recommended site on my laptop.
[09:31] <TheMuso> RAOF: http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/
[09:31] <TheMuso> Is one.
[09:31] <RAOF> Oooh, haven't seen that one.
[09:31] <TheMuso> there is a lot of stuff out there. Its just a matter of finding it.
[09:31] <RAOF> Actually, yes I have.  That's the goat book :)
[09:32] <RAOF> Now I need to remember where to put that in the cdbs build system...
[09:36] <RAOF> So much for the "simple" gst-plugins-farsight merge :)
[09:37] <minghua> (not necessarily elegant, of course, but Works For Me)
[09:41] <RAOF> Might be a good way to do it.  How do you get the configure patch?  Just run autoreconf?
[09:42] <crimsun> autoconf.
[09:42] <RAOF> Ah, since it wouldn't need to touch anything else.  Yeah, of course.
[09:44] <minghua> I run the whole set of autotools, since I need to relibtoolize anyway, and I think autoreconf should have the same effect
[09:45] <minghua> and I don't see any reason not to believe crimsun
[09:45] <RAOF> Yeah, he's right.
[09:46] <TheMuso> superm1: When you are around, I have left a comment for gtk-engines-mythbuntu.
[09:46] <minghua> pay attention to your timestamps though, you may need some "touch"es to avoid automatic autotools invocation
[09:48] <RAOF> Thanks.
[09:51] <RAOF> minghua: Or, apparently, you can just not have autotools as a build-dependency. and it'll try but not error.
[09:54] <minghua> RAOF: yes.  somehow the "missing" script can do everything.  but I consider that a very bad form for packaging.  just personal opinion, though.
[09:55] <RAOF> minghua: Ok, so I'd want to touch configure, presumably?
[09:56] <minghua> no, most likely you want to touch configure.ac to an older timestamp
[09:56] <minghua> at least that's what I've done this afternoon
[09:57] <minghua> check aclocal.m4 (if you have one) and config.h.in, and touch configure.ac to the same timestamp as the older one
[09:57] <RAOF> Ok, I'll try that.
[09:57] <minghua> I know very little about autotools though, the above recipe is from trial and error
[09:58] <TheMuso> I think its arguable as to whether the generation script, commonly called autogen.sh should be included in releases.
[09:58] <RAOF> It normally isn't, and I wholeheartedly support that.  The release should already have a build system :)
[10:00] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[10:00] <TheMuso> Except when the screw something up. :p
[10:00] <TheMuso> But usually one only has to track down the repo for the package, and extract the script themselves if they want it.
[10:01] <RAOF> :)
[10:11] <RAOF> Bah.  What cdbs rule gets run after patching but before configure?
[10:14] <shawarma> RAOF: makebuilddir
[10:14] <shawarma> RAOF: I think.
[10:16] <StevenK> RAOF: Where is the source for specto hiding?
[10:16] <RAOF> StevenK: The original tarball?
[10:16] <StevenK> RAOF: Well, the .dsc and friends.
[10:17] <RAOF> On mentors.net?
[10:17] <RAOF> I haven't quite finished the new upload, you're trick had a small flaw :)
[10:17] <RAOF> (Being that if test -x failed, the build would fail because of that error)
[10:18] <StevenK> test -x ... && ... || :
[10:19] <RAOF> Oh, I stuck "true" after the ||.
[10:20] <StevenK> : / true. Same thing
[10:22] <RAOF> StevenK: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/specto/specto_0.2.1-1.dsc
[10:23] <RAOF> Sorry for the delay, just checking that it actually built this time :)
[10:23] <StevenK> Heh
[10:30] <RAOF> StevenK: I'm going home now, I'll be on later if you need any more changes to Specto.
[10:30] <StevenK> RAOF: Aye, I'll start looking soonish
[10:30] <RAOF> Thanks
[10:32] <coNP> hey StevenK, I was told you can help me to get Openbox into Debian / Ubuntu
[10:32] <NeilW> Quick question on Packaging if I may.
[10:32] <NeilW> Is there a neat script anywhere to generate the standard signatures
[10:32] <StevenK> coNP: Yup, Hobbsee dobbed me in.
[10:33] <NeilW> You know the -- Fred Blogs <Fred@somewhere.org>  Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:05:50 +0200
[10:33] <NeilW> Or do I need to roll my own...
[10:33] <TheMuso> !ask | NeilW 
[10:33] <ubotu> NeilW: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:33] <coNP> NeilW: run dch -i int the source directory
[10:34] <StevenK> coNP: Do you need help with anything, or which stage are you at with the packaging?
[10:35] <coNP> StevenK: I guess I made a package for Ubuntu and uploaded to REVU. Hobbsee said it is better to get it into Debian and sync later. I guess the order is not so important, the most important is to keep the diff low
[10:36] <coNP> Actually Openbox guys are very friendly. You don't really need any patches. They tend to fix bugs quickly.
[10:36] <StevenK> coNP: Okay, so if you want to get into Debian, I can look at your package on REVU and look at uploading it to Debian.
[10:36] <coNP> StevenK: it is an Ubuntu package. Isn't it a problem?
[10:37] <StevenK> coNP: Fix the version number to be a -X, and the distribution in the changelog to be unstable, and change the Maintainer in debian/control, and then I can have a look.
[10:38] <Bixente> Hi
[10:39] <Bixente> I'm looking for someone to review my package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5727
[10:39] <coNP> StevenK: should I change the maintainer to me?
[10:39] <StevenK> coNP: Based on what I've heard, yes.
[10:39] <Hobbsee> coNP: if you intend to take it over, yes.
[10:40] <StevenK> coNP: And mention "New Maintainer." in the changelog.
[10:40] <coNP> StevenK: Should I indicate somewhere that I am not a DD? Or you will take care of "implementation details"?
[10:40] <TheMuso> Bixente: I'll have a look in a while. I have the page open in my browser now, so I shouldn't forget.
[10:40] <StevenK> coNP: No, I'm just your sponsor.
[10:41] <Bixente> TheMuso: thanks
[11:09] <NeilW> In the package I have a template configuration file and a script that copies it into place in the user home directory. Where on the directory tree do template config files live?
[11:12] <coNP> StevenK: is it a problem that I produce the pacakge from the latest Ubuntu one? Should I get the latest Debian one?
[11:15] <geser> NeilW: I would put it in /usr/share/<packagename>
[11:16] <StevenK> coNP: You should make sure you have all of the changelog entries from both Debian and Ubuntu.
[11:16] <StevenK> coNP: All of the changes from both would be nice, too. :-)
[11:16] <coNP> okay, so it is not a problem that the debian one contains ubuntu versions as well?
[11:17] <StevenK> No, I don't think so.
[11:22] <coNP> StevenK: should I include all news that happened between 3.3 and 3.4?
[11:22] <StevenK> coNP: Only if they fix Debian bugs.
[11:23] <NeilW> geser: OK.
[11:26] <StevenK> RAOF: Hobbsee distracted me with Kubuntu helping.
[11:26] <StevenK> However, the package looks okay.
[11:26] <RAOF> Yay!  Thanks.
[11:27] <StevenK> RAOF: Uploading to ftp-master (via ftp to ftp-master.debian.org):
[11:28] <RAOF> StevenK: Thanks muchly.  That was very quick :)
[11:28] <StevenK> RAOF: Successfully uploaded packages.
[11:28] <StevenK> RAOF: Like I said, my bill is in the mail. :-)
[11:29] <RAOF> :)
[11:30] <asac> hey ... anyone here is geeky enough to run gutsy and have an encrypted wifi setup?
[11:30] <asac> :)
[11:30] <RAOF> asac: As in WPA?
[11:30] <StevenK> $250 per 10 minutes. Extra $50 if the package is uploaded.
[11:30] <StevenK> So I figure RAOF owes me $550. :-P
[11:31] <RAOF> Check's in the mail,
[11:31] <asac> RAOF: no idea ... do you see bug 121228
[11:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121228 in network-manager "[gutsy]  segfault retrieving passphrase for WiFi network" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121228
[11:31] <StevenK> RAOF: I bet. :-P
[11:32] <RAOF> It might bounce if you try to cash it, ghough.  I'm not sure how many banks cash goodwill checks :)
[11:32] <StevenK> Hah
[11:32] <coNP> StevenK: from $550? Seems to be a hard decision... :)
[11:32] <StevenK> Hah
[11:32] <geser> asac: I could test it on my notebook today evening if it isn't to late for you
[11:33] <StevenK> Yeah, $550 in Monopoly money because RAOF is a cheapskate. :-P
[11:33] <jussi01> lol
[11:33] <RAOF> asac: I've been using WEP+network-manager successfully on Gutsy since I started.
[11:34] <asac> geser: hmm we need to decide if the fix i have should go to tribe ... so it might be too late
[11:34] <RAOF> asac: I'm currently in Sid, but I can boot back to Gutsy if you want.
[11:34] <asac> geser: anyway, thanks I will keep you as a backup in case i can't find another tester
[11:34] <RAOF> (To test WPA/WPA2/WEP/Unencrypted)
[11:34] <asac> RAOF: do you use network-manager applet as well? and it doesn't crash?
[11:34] <asac> RAOF: that would be so great
[11:34] <DarkMageZ> RAOF, you are aware of the security risks of WEP?
[11:34] <StevenK> TheMuso: Tell me what I want for dinner. :-P
[11:35] <TheMuso> StevenK: eh
[11:35] <TheMuso> heh even
[11:35] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: Yes.  Sadly, the crappy card I have in my not-laptop doesn't handle anything else.
[11:35] <RAOF> asac: Yes, I use nm-applet
[11:36] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: And WEP is very much better than nothing :).  You need to actually want to break WEP, wheras unencrypted... :)
[11:36] <RAOF> asac: Back in a moment in Ubuntu.
[11:38] <jussi01> gah, someone tell me if i can burn a cd image to a dvd...
[11:39] <jussi01> and it will work..
[11:39] <TheMuso> jussi01: Should do.
[11:39] <TheMuso> an iso is an iso is an iso.
[11:39] <jussi01> ok
[11:39] <jussi01> cause i only have a spindle of dvds, no cds...
[11:40] <DarkSun88> Salve
[11:41] <jussi01> DarkSun88: you put that on open wounds...
[11:41] <jussi01> :P
[11:42] <DarkSun88> :D
[11:42] <TheMuso> heh
[11:42] <DarkSun88> Salve == Hi
[11:42] <DarkSun88> ;)
[11:42] <jussi01> :)
[11:43] <jussi01> TheMuso: it doesnt like me...
[11:43] <jussi01> :(
[11:43] <TheMuso> Probably says to use a CD right?
[11:44] <jussi01> some crap about media...but yeah, in essence
[11:46] <jussi01> gah, i can even test the cd, cause i dont have one... grrrrrrrr
[11:49] <RAOF> asac: That's a "confirmed on ipw3945 + amd64" :/
[11:51] <asac> RAOF: hey
[11:51] <asac> RAOF: wait
[11:51] <asac> RAOF: its not about confirming
[11:51] <RAOF> Oh, sorry.
[11:51] <asac> RAOF: its about testing a fix
[11:51] <asac> RAOF: so you see the bug?
[11:51] <RAOF> ...
[11:52] <asac> RAOF: please do: apt-get source gnome-keyring
[11:52] <RAOF> Can you give it to me again?
[11:52] <asac> then patch it with this patch:
[11:52] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8214851/gnome-keyring_2.19.4.1-0ubuntu1_2.19.4.1-0ubuntu2.diff
[11:52] <asac> e.g. cd gnome-keyring-*; patch -p1 < /tmp/gnome-keyring*diff
[11:54] <asac> RAOF: fwiw, the bug this patch is coming from is bug 122502
[11:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122502 in gnome-keyring "[PATCH]  memory leak + error handling glitch in gnome-keyring-proto.c:gnome_keyring_proto_decode_find_reply" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122502
[11:54] <RAOF> Thanks.
[11:56] <asac> RAOF: do you want me to provide packages or can you manage to build with that patch?
[11:56] <RAOF> Oh, I can build with that patch.
[11:56] <asac> RAOF: rock
[11:56] <RAOF> If you've got packages, it might be easier though :)
[11:57] <asac> RAOF: i only have amd64 ones atm
[11:57] <asac> RAOF: if they are of any help
[11:57] <RAOF> As luck would have it, I'm on amd64
[11:57] <asac> oh cool
[11:57] <asac> RAOF: wait a sec
[11:58] <RAOF> Rather than me trying to get my Ubuntu pbuilders to work on Sid (no network in Gusty ;)), your packages would be awesome :)
[11:58] <asac> RAOF: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnome-keyring/
[11:59] <RAOF> Thanks.
[11:59] <TheMuso> Bixente: I have left a comment.
[12:00] <RAOF> asac: I'll test those now.  Rebooting...
[12:00] <Bixente> TheMuso: thanks
[12:01] <TheMuso> Bixente: You're welcome.
[12:04] <bashelier> zakame: ping
[12:22] <RAOF> asac: Ok, that's a no.
[12:23] <asac_> RAOF: sorry connection went down
[12:23] <asac_> .e.g provider :)
[12:23] <RAOF> asac_: Same crash for me.
[12:23] <asac_> ok thanks
[12:28] <StevenK> Oh damn.
[12:29] <StevenK> vmware-server doesn't built against 2.6.20
[12:29] <ajmitch> vmnet problems?
[12:29] <StevenK> vmmon
[12:30] <ajmitch> right
[12:30] <ajmitch> iirc there was a simple fix
[12:30] <ajmitch> mostly because I had it running against 2.6.20 for a long time :)
[12:30] <StevenK> Heh
[12:36] <asac> RAOF: i have another test for you ... this should fix the crash ... question is if it makes your wireless work as well.
[12:37] <asac> RAOF: still available for that?
[12:37] <RAOF> asac: Ok, yeah.
[12:37] <RAOF> asac: I'll be having dinner soon, but I can test before that.
[12:38] <RainCT> hi
[12:38] <TheMuso> Hi RainCT.
[12:39] <asac> RAOF: its in same directory
[12:39] <asac> its gnome-network-manager-applet 
[12:39] <RAOF> Ok.
[12:39] <asac> aeh network-manager-gnome :)
[12:39] <RAOF> Can I get the url again?  I've lost backlog.
[12:40] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnome-keyring/
[12:41] <RainCT> please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5773 (Open Invaders, i386, needs first advocate)
[12:42] <StevenK> Gah!
[12:42] <StevenK> And now vmware tells me it won't run 64 bit guests on this hardware.
[12:43] <StevenK> Does it want a written invitation?
[12:45] <shawarma> StevenK: It's vmware server?
[12:46] <StevenK> shawarma: Yup
[12:47] <RAOF> asac: Bing.  You have a winner.
[12:47] <RAOF> asac: Not only does it fix the crash, but I still have wireless :)
[12:47] <asac> RAOF: great ... one more thing
[12:48] <asac> RAOF: please try if downgrading keyring 
[12:48] <asac> still fixes this
[12:48] <shawarma> StevenK: Yeah, I think I got that too. I'm using workstation instead. What does server actually do differently?
[12:49] <StevenK> shawarma: I'm not sure at all. I'm very close to downloading a trail of workstation.
[12:49] <StevenK> trial, even
[12:49] <StevenK> shawarma: I try and select "Ubuntu 64-bit" and it tells me I can't.
[12:49] <ajmitch> it's lying
[12:49] <ajmitch> I run 64-bit guests with no problems
[12:51] <StevenK> And it blows up.
[12:51] <ajmitch> I've never had it complain at me
[12:51] <StevenK> "The process exited with an error: End of error message."
[12:51] <StevenK> Very helpful!
[12:51] <ajmitch> sigh, no headers for my running kernel
[12:52] <StevenK> Hum.
[12:55] <ajmitch> scattered all over the place...
[12:55] <RAOF_> asac: A good test for that is to log off and log on againt?
[12:56] <RAOF_> asac: Because that seems to work
[12:57] <ajmitch> ok, now I can't compile on 2.6.22, probably due to a previous hack
[12:58] <ajmitch> I think I'll give up on that for now :)
[12:58] <RAOF_> asac: Did you get that? I'm not sure if I was fully connected before I sent it.
[12:58] <StevenK> Gah!
[12:58] <StevenK> It wants VT and my processor doesn't have it.
[12:58] <ajmitch> odd
[12:59] <asac_> RAOF_: sorry was offlnie again (sucky provider)
[12:59] <asac_> RAOF_: did you say anything?
[12:59] <RAOF_> asac_: Yes, I did :)
[12:59] <RAOF_> asac: A good test for that is to log off and log on againt?
[12:59] <RAOF_> asac: Because that seems to work
[12:59] <asac_> RAOF_: last i asked if you can try to downgrade gnome-keyring again
[12:59] <StevenK> ajmitch: What cpuflags does your amd64 have?
[12:59] <RAOF_> asac_: Yup.  Downgraded, logged off, network-manager still works.
[12:59] <ajmitch> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni lahf_lm cmp_legacy
[01:00] <asac_> RAOF_: great ... thanks a lot
[01:00] <ajmitch> nothing unusual for an original athlon64 x2
[01:01] <RAOF_> asac_: Anything else before I have some dinner?
[01:01] <StevenK> VMware says the same thing as VirtualBox. Woot.
[01:02] <asac_> RAOF_: no ... you deserve your dinner now
[01:02] <asac_> tribe-2 testers will be grateful for your testing :)
[01:03] <RAOF_> Now, if someone could push the KVM merge, we can have working network-manager and kvm :)
[01:03] <StevenK> RAOF_: Mention that to pitti in -devel?
[01:06] <RAOF_> asac: Wow, your network really does suck.
[01:13] <asac> RAOF_: yeah ... it didn't suck for a month or so .... but apparently all this rain and lightning we get atm is causing problems 
[01:16] <TheMuso> Reminds me of the stories I hear about relating to lots of rain and telephone lines here in Australia.
[01:17] <StevenK> Before I moved house, rain used to make the DSL bounce around.
[01:17] <TheMuso> fun
[01:18] <StevenK> Until the phone went dead after 2 days of rain, and it turned out our cable wasn't water proofed.
[01:18] <jbailey> Hey'all!  Been a while since I uploaded to Universe and have two questions.  1) Does the tribe-2 freeze affect universe?  2) If there's a bug I want to fix, do I have to file the bug and close it, or can I just upload the fix straight away?
[01:18] <StevenK> jbailey: 1) Yes. Packages don't need to be reviewed, but they need a manual shove. 2) Either is fine.
[01:19] <TheMuso> jbailey: Firstly, all uploads for universe go through with manual shove, bu are not subject to review.
[01:19] <TheMuso> bah StevenK beat me.
[01:19] <StevenK> TheMuso: Beat you. :-P
[01:19] <TheMuso> StevenK: You have a visual advantage with stuff like that.
[01:20] <StevenK> TheMuso: Meh. You can so read better than I can. :-P
[01:20] <TheMuso> StevenK: lol
[01:21] <jbailey> Cool, thanks.
[01:21] <jbailey> It's not urgent, so it can cheerfully sit in the queue.
[01:21] <ajmitch> jeff!
[01:22] <jbailey> Just, making nethack-gnome play well with composite is not work related, and I keep forgetting to upload it outside of work hours. =)
[01:22] <ajmitch> hah
[01:22] <StevenK> Hah
[01:22] <jbailey> Heya Andrew
[01:22] <StevenK> My employer doesn't know exactly how much Ubuntu work I do at $WORK ...
[01:23] <TheMuso> StevenK: I was wondering about that... :p
[01:23] <jbailey> StevenK: Y'know, that's just not true in my case ;P
[01:23] <man-di> StevenK: jbailey does 100% Ubuntu work at work...I guess
[01:23] <StevenK> man-di: I'm well aware of that.
[01:23] <StevenK> TheMuso: Hrm?
[01:24] <TheMuso> StevenK: I thought it was time given to you to use, due to use of Ubuntu.
[01:24] <jbailey> Actually, I do very little these days since I'm in support now.  But if it's something I care about in main, certainly noone will make noises about me fixing it while at work.
[01:24] <StevenK> TheMuso: ... Partly
[01:24] <TheMuso> StevenK: Right.
[01:25] <ajmitch> jbailey: how's the family? :)
[01:25] <jbailey> ajmitch: Terribly cute!
[01:25] <jbailey> ajmitch: Angie's now totally up and around.  Leif is occasionally taking a (some noun that isn't step but is used for crawling)
[01:26] <jbailey> It's hard to believe that he's almost 4 months ow.
[01:26] <jbailey> +n
[01:26] <ajmitch> good progress :)
[01:26] <StevenK> Geez. It seems like it was only days ago you were blogging about the new arrival.
[01:27] <StevenK> Having just arrived, that is.
[01:27] <jbailey> It's been hard to find time to post.
[01:27] <StevenK> Oh wait, it was. Damn lag.
[01:27] <StevenK> :-P
[01:27] <jbailey> I finally unloaded the camera onto a family-only flickr site, and wound up adding like 150 photos.
[01:28] <StevenK> I should get around to emptying my camera.
[01:28] <StevenK> Last photos I have of my uncle before he passed away last weekend.
[01:29] <jbailey> Ouch.  Best to get those to safe keeping, then.
[01:30] <StevenK> Right, now to try and break/test this machine.
[01:31] <StevenK> Hrm. Now where is the CD testing checklist?
[01:34] <StevenK> Hrm. That's not so good.
[01:38] <RainCT> some MOTU please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5773 (Open Invaders, i386, needs first advocate)
[01:38] <Bixente> TheMuso: I updated the package, if you have time to review it. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5784 thanks
[01:43] <TheMuso> Bixente: No problem.
[01:50] <TheMuso> Evening once again Hobbsee.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso 
[01:54] <jbailey> So I've sent it off.  Since I don't care how quickly it gets in, can I safely just wait for the freeze to be off, or should I actively ask someone to nudge it through?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> jbailey: what is it?
[01:54] <TheMuso> jbailey: Waiting is fine.
[01:54] <ajmitch> I suspect it'll just get pushed through next time an archive admin is bored
[01:54] <TheMuso> jbailey: I'd say it will get in soons anyway.
[01:55] <ajmitch> so maybe todayish
[01:55] <jbailey> Hobbsee: nethack, with a patch to make nethack-gnome work with composite enabled.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:55] <jbailey> So totally non-urgent.
[01:55] <jbailey> It'll just make my wife happy when she sits down to a new machine. =)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:56] <jbailey> "Happy Wife, Happy Life" - Koichi Tohei
[01:57] <jbailey> Thanks all.  I should probably do motu'ish stuff more often so I don't have to be reminded of things all the time.  But, ah well. =)
[01:57] <TheMuso> Bixente: Great work.
[01:58] <Bixente> TheMuso: thanks a lot :)
[01:58] <TheMuso> Bixente: You're welcome.
[01:58] <TheMuso> Bixente: Still needs another MOTu to review it and give it the nod before it gets uploaded.
[01:59] <Bixente> TheMuso: ok
[02:01] <jussi01> F###n shrinkwrapped cds...
[02:01] <TheMuso> jussi01: heh
[02:01] <StevenK> ...and burnt a coaster?
[02:01] <TheMuso> haha
[02:01] <pygi> use a sane cd-recording backend pls :)
[02:02] <TheMuso> pygi: Whats your definition of sane?
[02:02] <pygi> TheMuso, :)
[02:02] <jussi01> yeah...
[02:02] <StevenK> Nero?
[02:02] <jussi01> lol
[02:02] <pygi> StevenK, no
[02:02] <pygi> StevenK, libburn ^^
[02:02] <StevenK> pygi: Heh
[02:02] <pygi> StevenK, what? :)
[02:02] <TheMuso> pygi: If there is a command-line utility using that library, I'll give it a shot, otherwise, meh.
[02:02] <jbailey> Hmm.  I don't think I actually got around to mentioning it here.  We're looking for a packager for commercial ISV stuff, the posting is up on http://www.ubuntu.com/employment
[02:02] <pygi> TheMuso, there is ofcourse
[02:03] <pygi> TheMuso, sudo apt-get install cdrskin
[02:03] <TheMuso> hmmm ok.
[02:03] <TheMuso> So how does wodim compare/differ?
[02:03] <TheMuso> In terms of the code used.
[02:03] <pygi> TheMuso, completely new code =)
[02:03] <TheMuso> pygi: Right.
[02:03] <TheMuso> Why should I use cdrskin?
[02:03] <pygi> TheMuso, because it works better :p
[02:04] <pygi> should be one reason that is enough :)
[02:04] <TheMuso> Not convinced.
[02:04] <pygi> ok, then because libburn is the future ^^
[02:05] <TheMuso> according to whom?
[02:05] <TheMuso> Is wodim likely to start using it for example?
[02:05] <pygi> according to everyone
[02:05] <pygi> TheMuso, no, but wodim is likely to be discontinued :)
[02:05] <TheMuso> Right.
[02:05] <pygi> developers would be advised to use libburn, while users will use cdrskin if they need command-line utility :)
[02:05] <TheMuso> Whats the earliest version of libburn that you recommend?
[02:06] <pygi> TheMuso, I recommend using newest :)
[02:06] <pygi> RAOF, Phillipe? :)
[02:06] <TheMuso> Well until I move to gutsy, it can wait.
[02:06] <pygi> TheMuso, feisty has newest as well
[02:06] <pygi> ergh
[02:06] <pygi> no it doesn't :-/
[02:06] <RAOF> pygi: I forget.  I don't keep referrences :)
[02:06] <TheMuso> pygi: Well it can wait.
[02:06] <pygi> TheMuso, you could compile it yourself ^_^
[02:07] <pygi> RAOF, I'm telling you =)
[02:07] <TheMuso> Wodim/DVD+rw-tools is all I need atm.
[02:07] <pygi> if you say so ^^
[02:07] <TheMuso> Until I move to gutsy.
[02:07] <TheMuso> Is nautilus using libburn yet?
[02:07] <pygi> TheMuso, no, upstream isn't responding :)
[02:07] <pygi> But I'm after it
[02:07] <TheMuso> Right.
[02:08] <pygi> TheMuso, any more questions? :)
[02:09] <pygi> RAOF, Brasero in gutsy has libburn/libisofs enabled by default
[02:09] <TheMuso> pygi: Not at this moment, no.
[02:09] <jussi01> well anyway, it burnt fine... 
[02:09] <jussi01> :)
[02:09] <jussi01> seee you all after install...
[02:10] <pygi> TheMuso, oki ^^
[02:11] <TheMuso> Theres nothing wrong with that.
[02:12] <pygi> TheMuso, seriously tho ... it has strong advantages over the existing solutions, and it's really supposed to replace them
[02:12] <StevenK> Like not linking against libschilly?
[02:12] <TheMuso> pygi: I hope it will allow software to properly copy CDs with several sessions on them. :)
[02:12] <pygi> not yet ofcourse because we don't have mkisofs replacement (because libisofs is not ready yet), but still ...
[02:12] <pygi> TheMuso, it already does ;)
[02:13] <TheMuso> pygi: Well once I am in gutsy, I'm there. That has been lacking somewhat for a while.
[02:13] <pygi> well, kindof :) Libisofs doesn't support multisessions yet, but you can burn multi-session disks with libburn
[02:13] <pygi> StevenK, hehe :)
[02:13] <pygi> mixed cd's?
[02:13] <TheMuso> pygi: Yeah.
[02:13] <pygi> we'll see :)
[02:14] <pygi> let's hope it'll all turn out nicely :)
[02:24] <ajmitch> yes, you do
[02:24] <RainCT> please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5773 (Open Invaders, i386, needs first advocate)
[02:24] <TheMuso> ajmitch: heh, and goodnight.
[02:25] <xxxxx1> good morning all! :)
[02:25] <TheMuso> Hey xxxxx1.
[02:26] <xxxxx1> hello TheMuso 
[02:30] <StevenK> Ouch!
[02:30] <ScottK> Careful, I might start to like it.
[02:30] <ScottK> Oddly enough when someone gets my name wrong, they almost always call me Steve.  I have no idea why.
[02:31] <TheMuso> heh
[02:32] <StevenK> When people on the phone get my name wrong, they call me Dave. I have no idea why.
[02:32] <zul> hah reminds me of the kids in the hall song 
[02:33] <StevenK> Funnily enough, we have a Dave at work, and so if they're painful on the phone, I don't correct them... If they call back, they say that they were talking to Dave ...
[02:33] <ScottK> That works.
[02:33] <StevenK> Doesn't it. :-)
[02:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:34] <TheMuso> Well folks, don't just stand around gass bagging, clear the uus queue.:p
[02:34] <StevenK> TheMuso: I'm testing a Kubuntu amd64 CD, kthxbye
[02:35] <lfittl> RAOF: you synced kvm version 28 from debian, are you sure that the ubuntu kernel has a compatible module? (I would guess that the kernel module is older than version 28)
[02:36] <lfittl> err, not here anymore
[02:36] <StevenK> lfittl: Considering the bug report says that it works with kernel version blah, I'm assuming it does.
[02:37] <lfittl> ok, thanks :)
[02:37] <lfittl> perfect
[02:37] <StevenK> And I checked that again before I signed and uploaded the merge...
[02:39] <zul> StevenK: uh...have you guys double checked with BenC
[02:41] <StevenK> zul: I haven't, I'm not sure if RAOF has. Why?
[02:41] <zul> just to make sure alot of people use kvm and they would be "upset" if it breaks
[02:41] <pygi> rproenca, ? :P
[02:42] <rproenca> hi pygi :)
[02:42] <StevenK> zul: If he tested it and it works, what's the problem?
[02:42] <pygi> why are you changing names :P
[02:42] <rproenca> rproenca: stands for "Rafael Proena" :)
[02:42] <pygi> aha :)
[02:42] <StevenK> And it's *Gutsy*, things are allowed to be broken.
[02:42] <rproenca> that's my name :)
[02:42] <zul> StevenK: I didnt know if he tested it, no probs then
[02:42] <pygi> rproenca, I know :P
[02:44] <afflux> someone available for review? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5762
[02:47] <TheMuso> c
[02:47] <TheMuso> ugh
[02:47] <coNP> StevenK: I guess I won't have time till the weekend for the openbox packages
[02:47] <coNP> StevenK: I hope this is not a problem, tribe2 is coming, etc.
[02:47] <StevenK> coNP: Okay. I'm ready when you are.
[02:47] <coNP> okay, just FYI
[02:47] <coNP> (I've learnt a lot from Hobbsee :D)
[02:48] <Hobbsee> StevenK: isnt on the release team though
[03:22] <RainCT> please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5773 (Open Invaders, i386, needs first advocate)
[03:23] <ScottK> RainCT: Did you fix all the lintian/linda warnings on the binary?
[03:23] <RainCT> ScottK: beside the NMU warning, yes
[03:24] <ScottK> OK.  That can be ignored.
[03:26] <ScottK> RainCT: You uploaded a dirty source (I can tell because it has open-invaders.6 in the diff.
[03:26] <ScottK> RainCT: Build your man page inside the debian dir and then rm it after installing.
[03:27] <ScottK> +	docbook-to-man debian/open-invaders.sgml > open-invaders.6 change to +	docbook-to-man debian/open-invaders.sgml > debian/open-invaders.6
[03:29] <ScottK> RainCT: ??
[03:29] <RainCT> ScottK: ok
[03:30] <ScottK> Make sense?
[03:30] <RainCT> yes (first I had not seen the "change to", but yes you're right :))
[03:32] <RainCT> ScottK: uploading..
[03:33] <ScottK> Did you build it?
[03:34] <RainCT> yes
[03:34] <ScottK> OK.
[03:38] <norsetto> siretart: Hello Reinhard ... I'm having some problems to login in REVU. Perhaps you can help?
[03:39] <jussi01> whats the problem norsetto ?
[03:39] <jussi01> someone else may be able to help...
[03:40] <ScottK> RainCT: Your source still has a copy of open-invaders.6 in it (not in the debian dir).
[03:40] <RainCT> ScottK: yes I'm uploading again
[03:40] <ScottK> OK
[03:40] <norsetto> jussi01: thanks! Well, I'm trying to login for the first time. I give my email as userid, leave password empty but the system refuses login. AFAIR I generated my key with an Elgamal secondary key
[03:41] <RainCT> ScottK: Always I upload I've to forget something and remember just after pressing Enter... :/
[03:41] <ScottK> OK
[03:42] <ScottK> RainCT: Next time if you tell me you've uploaded, but decide the upload isn't ready to be looked at, please let me know so I don't waste time figuring it out for myself.
[03:42] <norsetto> In case it helps here is the error message: "login for user "cesare.tirabassi@gmail.com" failed, please retry or recover"
[03:42] <jussi01> norsetto: you need someone to sync the keyring
[03:42] <RainCT> ScottK: I said 'uploading...', not 'uploaded'
[03:43] <ScottK> Yes and so I was looking for it.
[03:43] <norsetto> jussi01: But I can upload with no problems!?
[03:43] <RainCT> ScottK: ah, sorry then
[03:43] <jussi01> norsetto: no, you need to wait for the sync
[03:44] <ScottK> norsetto: When did you join the contributors team on Launchpad?
[03:44] <norsetto> jussi01: sorry, I'm a bit thickheaded, I don't understand ... I have been uploading packages for the last couple of days already
[03:45] <jussi01> norsetto: and they are appearing?
[03:45] <jussi01> on revu?
[03:45] <mruiz> hi all
[03:45] <ScottK> Hi mruiz
[03:45] <norsetto> jussi01: indeed they are - scottk: joined on 2007-05-27
[03:45] <mruiz> hi ScottK 
[03:46] <ScottK> norsetto: Then your key in on the REVU box.
[03:46] <norsetto> scottk: well, yeah, so why can't I login!?
[03:47] <ScottK> norsetto: Dunno.  I have a desktop and a laptop.  Login works on the desktop and not on the laptop.  I have no idea why.
[03:47] <norsetto> lol
[03:47] <ScottK> siretart is actually who I think you need to talk to.
[03:47] <norsetto> Tried to but I think he is in a meeting
[03:48] <ScottK> norsetto: If there's a comment you want to leave on a package, I can post it for you.
[03:49] <norsetto> Well, thanks! I emailed directly the reviewer in any case, but in the future I would like to personally bugger people less
[03:49] <jussi01> heh
[03:51] <ScottK> norsetto: OK.
[03:52] <RainCT> ScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5787
[04:04] <RainCT> ScottK: oh. it seems the manpage isn't being installed. doesn't dh_installman do that?
[04:04] <ScottK> You have to tell it which to install.
[04:05] <ScottK> dh_installman debian/open-invaders.6 (or something close to that)
[04:05] <RainCT> ScottK: ah ok. have you seen anything more to change or do I upload it again?
[04:13] <ScottK> EthanP: If you decide you want to try and build clamav for Dapper, let me know and I'll help you out.
[04:13] <EthanP> thanks ScottK
[04:13] <ScottK> No problem.
[04:17] <ScottK> RainCT: Let me know when you think you have a good package.
[04:18] <RainCT> ScottK: ok. I'm just trying to install it before uploading again
[04:18] <ScottK> OK
[04:22] <RainCT> ScottK: found a typo in the manpage :p. and, is it ok to change the copyright to "this manual page was written by [...]  for you and is released into the public domain."? (just find it looks stupid if there is more license than manual :P)
[04:23] <RainCT> s/copyright/author
[04:23] <ScottK> You don't actually need to put the entire license in the manual.  
[04:24] <RainCT> ScottK: it isn't, but there are 7 lines telling that it's on the GPL and 6 about the game xD
[04:24] <ScottK> OK.  Well I'd suggest just leave it.  There are complications in some places about moral author rights and other stuff I dunno about.  If you make it GPL, it's all very clear.
[04:26] <RainCT> ScottK: ok, debuilding then.
[04:26] <ScottK> OK.  Let me know when it's ready to be looked at.
[04:38] <RainCT> ScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5788
[04:43] <ScottK> RainCT: I haven't done a lot with desktop apps yet (I'm pretty new as a MOTU), but aren't you supposed to use dh_iconcache?
[04:46] <RainCT> ScottK: *reading about it*. isn't that for the icons that are shown on the top-left of the windows?
[04:48] <jussi01> heheh
[04:50] <RainCT> ScottK: well, it says it's for icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor or /usr/share/icons/gnome (the included icon goes to /usr/share/pixmaps) and that some applications crash if they don't find the icon (and that one is a icon for the menu entry, not the game itself), so I guess it isn't needed there
[04:51] <ScottK> OK.
[04:51] <ScottK> I'll continue looking then.
[04:54] <jgamio> hi everybody I want to learn to pack. Somebody can give a link to read about this topic.
[04:54] <RainCT> jgamio: hi. http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[04:55] <jgamio> RainCT: thank you
[04:56] <EthanP> thanks ScottK
[04:56] <RainCT> jgamio: you're welcome ;)
[04:58] <RainCT> jgamio: if you're interested in contributing with Ubuntu you can also look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment (there are also many other links about packaging)
[05:14] <RainCT> ScottK: how does it look?
[05:14] <ScottK> It built.  Just about to look at the .deb.
[05:16] <norsetto> siretart: Reinhard, are you with us?
[05:17] <Baby> is that an invocation? :P
[05:17] <ScottK> RainCT: You said you ran lintian against the .deb, right?
[05:17] <ScottK> Hello Baby.
[05:17] <Baby> hi ScottK! :)
[05:17] <siretart> norsetto: sorry?
[05:18] <RainCT> ScottK: no, I looked at the lintian file in revu
[05:18] <ScottK> RainCT: That's against the source package, not the binary.  You also need to run it against the binary.  See my comment.
[05:19] <norsetto> siretart: can I ask you a question?
[05:19] <ScottK> !question | norsetto
[05:19] <ubotu> norsetto: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:19] <norsetto> siretart: can I ask another question? ;)
[05:20] <norsetto> Hey, I summoned him, I can ask questions!
[05:20] <RainCT> what means FSSTND?
[05:21] <norsetto> I think you scared him now
[05:21] <Hobbsee> RainCT: try google it?
[05:21] <siretart> no, I'm just busy
[05:22] <norsetto> OK thanks, I'll send you an email if that is ok with you
[05:23] <ScottK> RainCT: Run lintian -i filename.deb for details.
[05:24] <RainCT> ok thanks
[05:26] <RainCT> ScottK: how can I avoid it installing usr/doc/open-invaders/COPYING ? removing the COPYING file in debian/rules?
[05:27] <ScottK> RainCT: Yes.
[05:36] <RainCT> ScottK: just like this "rm COPYING"? it says "*** No rule to make target `COPYING', needed by `all-am'."  Stop. when building
[05:37] <ScottK> RainCT: Sorry.  Misread your question before.  
[05:40] <ScottK> RainCT: Wouldn't it be rm debian/usr/doc/open-invaders/COPYING in any case.  I'm sorry, but I'm about out of cycles for reviewing right now.
[05:41] <tobiasschulz> MOTUs: can someone check jeliza ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5791 )?
[05:44] <bethko> Where should I be to talk about web cam plug in play support for Ubuntu? It is really needed.
[05:52] <SlimG> bethko: I think some of the issue is the licensing for the more frequently used webcam drivers
[05:53] <bethko> The drivers exist
[05:54] <bethko> Someone just needs to make it so when you plug in the cam it works.
[05:54] <ogra> bethko, then you need to ensure udev and hal know it 
[05:54] <ogra> ... and know what to do with it ...
[05:59] <bethko> You have the contact info for these?
[05:59] <bethko> those?
[06:04] <ogra> bethko, ??? 
[06:04] <ogra> just write a patch and attach it to a bug ;)
[06:05] <SlimG> bethko: udev and hal isn't persons if that's what you thought ;)
[06:06] <bethko> Ok, I gathered that, what is the contact info? Address? #something? etc...
[06:06] <bethko> I also was on the phone just now
[06:07] <bethko> I hate phones.
[06:08] <SlimG> bethko: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal and http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html if that's what you wanted to know
[06:22] <ScottK> nixternal is a MOTU now, so feel free to pile on him asking for reviews.
[06:22] <nixternal> store
[06:22] <nixternal> ya the store
[06:22] <nixternal> ;)
[06:23] <nixternal> sotre is southern? since notre is north?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: review everything on revu, kthxbye.
[06:23] <nixternal> hahaha, what about the daily-live test?
[06:23] <ScottK> nixternal: Do both at the same time.
[06:23] <nixternal> hahah
[06:23] <nixternal> !nixternal
[06:23] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[06:23] <nixternal> that means I cannot multitask correctly
[06:23] <nixternal> i tend to lock up and blue screen ;p
[06:23] <ScottK> Not with Vist, no.
[06:24] <Hobbsee> you need a firmware upgrade.
[06:24] <calc> what is the difference between the motu and ubuntu-dev groups?
[06:24] <nixternal> calc: congrats to you as well!
[06:24] <calc> nixternal: thanks :)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> calc: ubuntu-dev == motu + core
[06:24] <coNP> Hobbsee: yes
[06:24] <coNP> :D
[06:24] <calc> Hobbsee: oh ok, but why are some people direct members of ubuntu-dev?
[06:24] <nixternal> or flat out core-dev == god (who do you say that in zimba?)
[06:24] <calc> Hobbsee: hold over from the way it used to be done?
[06:24] <nixternal> s/who/how
[06:25] <Hobbsee> i dont know.  dont remember
[06:25] <calc> nixternal: i'm waiting until after i do my first real ooo upload to apply for core-dev
[06:25] <calc> Hobbsee: ok
[06:25] <Hobbsee> especially not at thsi time of night
[06:25] <nixternal> calc: I will wait another year and a half like I did for MOTU :)
[06:25] <ScottK> calc: They made some changes in the way teams worked earlier in the year.
[06:25] <geser> Hobbsee: wasn't there some move from the motu team to the ubuntu-dev team a few months ago?
[06:26] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody!
[06:26] <ScottK> They made the MOTU team and just decided to let the existing direct core members time out.
[06:26] <ScottK> err that's ubuntu-dev members
[06:26] <calc> ScottK: oh ok
[06:29] <RainC1> can somebody help me with that please? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27445/
[06:30] <RainC1> (the ChangeLog is empty so I guess that's why it doesn't get compressed, but I don't know how to delete it, neither the COPYING file)
[06:31] <geser> RainC1: delete them from debian/tmp after make install
[06:32] <RainCT> geser:   rm debian/tmp/ChangeLog debian/tmp/COPYING    ?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> geser: something like that.  not sure
[06:33] <geser> yes, something like that. You need to find out the correct path below debian/tmp where they are
[06:34] <geser> probably debian/tmp/usr/doc/open-invaders/COPYING and debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/open-invaders/ChangeLog
[06:36] <geser> or don't call dh_installchangelogs (for the ChangeLog)
[06:38] <RainCT> geser: it says they don't exist. and I'm not passing ChangeLog to dh_installchangelog
[06:39] <RainCT> geser: ("after make install" means after this or? $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/open-invaders install)
[06:39] <geser> yes
[06:41] <geser> RainCT: is that an other open-invaders package as on REVU?
[06:41] <RainCT> geser: it's here http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5788
[06:42] <geser> RainCT: you call "dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog" in the binary-arch target
[06:43] <geser> and this installs the empty changelog
[06:43] <RainCT> geser: I've already removed that locally
[06:43] <RainCT> geser: should I upload?
[06:44] <geser> and that warning about the ChangeLog file is still there?
[06:44] <RainCT> yes
[06:44] <azeem> if ChangeLog, AUTHORS, etc. are empty that usually means upstream doesn't know about automake's `foreign' option
[06:45] <RainCT> (AUTHORS isn't empty)
[06:45] <azeem> ok
[06:45] <azeem> then it only means upstream doesn't care about proper changelogs :)
[06:45] <RainCT> :P
[07:03] <gpocentek> nixternal, calc: welcome in the team :)
[07:03] <nixternal> thanks gpocentek 
[07:12] <nixternal> in order to do reviews on revu, it says to send your password. which password are they trying to phish from me?
[07:14] <man-di> geser: I didnt knew you are german before ;-)
[08:54] <tsmithe> for those in the know, i've updated the licence of ubuntustudio-sounds to CC-By-SA
[08:54] <tsmithe> which is the same as ubuntu-artworks
[08:54] <tsmithe> *ubuntu-artwork
[08:55] <LaserJock> what was it before?
[09:00] <tsmithe> artistic with a rather restrictive clause. somewhat contradictory i thought...
[09:02] <LaserJock> how did you change it? :-)
[09:02] <tsmithe> got in touch with the team and the author, and updated the COPYING and debian/copyright files
[09:05] <DktrKranz> when you have time, could you please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5757? thanks
[09:12] <bashelier> LaserJock: ping
[09:14] <LaserJock> bashelier: pong
[09:18] <bashelier> LaserJock: hello, I've made the merge of lintian, and I'd like to ask you if I can file the bug :) here is the debdiff: http://paste.stgraber.org/1904
[09:20] <Kmos> can some MOTU to a sync of bug 121924
[09:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121924 in libapt-pkg-perl "Please sync libapt-pkg-perl 0.1.21 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121924
[09:20] <Kmos> *do
[09:23] <geser> Kmos: have you talked with mvo about it?
[09:25] <Kmos> not yet.. he's testing ubuntu tribe-2
[09:26] <Kmos> i'll talk now
[09:27] <Kmos> geser: [20:26]  <mvo> sync is ok
[09:27] <Kmos> geser: can you do it ? :)
[09:27] <LaserJock> bashelier: looks good
[09:28] <geser> Kmos: ACKed
[09:28] <Kmos> geser: thanks
[09:29] <Kmos> geser: ddclient 3.7.2 is released, but their own changelog doesn't have any entry
[09:29] <bashelier> LaserJock: thanks, shall I give you the bug number back ?
[09:29] <Kmos> but it's available from sourceforge
[09:29] <Kmos> i've done the package
[09:30] <Kmos> geser: they also applied one patch from ubuntu package
[09:31] <Kmos> from 3.7.1
[09:31] <LaserJock> bashelier: you filed a bug for the merge?
[09:32] <bashelier> LaserJock: I am now
[09:32] <geser> Kmos: did you put it on REVU already?
[09:32] <Kmos> geser: no
[09:32] <LaserJock> bashelier: well, you don't have to if you don't want to
[09:32] <LaserJock> well, actually, I'm not sure if the Main freeze is over
[09:33] <LaserJock> bashelier: better go ahead and file the bug, attach the debdiff, and assign it to me
[09:33] <Kmos> lionel: any new about bug 119545
[09:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119545 in jabberd2 "Please merge jabberd2 s11-1 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119545
[09:34] <lionel> upload is ready
[09:34] <lionel> I'll do it in few min
[09:34] <Kmos> so i can put it fix commited
[09:34] <lionel> when it will be uploaded
[09:34] <Kmos> ok
[09:35] <Kmos> lionel: you used (LP: #119545) in changelog ?
[09:35] <Kmos> :)
[09:35] <lionel> Kmos: yep. So it will be fixed released
[09:35] <Kmos> nice, thanks
[09:35] <lionel> np :)
[09:35] <ScottK> nixternal: You should be able to archive kplayer yourself now...
[09:36] <nixternal> ScottK: I can't though, maybe have to wait for revu to sync with LP?
[09:36] <bashelier> LaserJock: done, bug #122658, thanks :)
[09:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122658 in lintian "Please merge lintian (main) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122658
[09:37] <ScottK> nixternal: There was something like that.  I think a REVU admin had to set me up.
[09:37] <AndyP> bashelier: did you see my ping about podbrowser?
[09:39] <bashelier> AndyP: nope, sorry :/
[09:40] <LaserJock> nixternal: what do you need?
[09:40] <AndyP> bashelier: bug #122392 - seems to be a library version problem
[09:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122392 in podbrowser "podbrowser depends on Gtk2::Ex::PodViewer 0.16, but 0.14 in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122392
[09:40] <nixternal> money? Access to revu
[09:41] <bashelier> AndyP: yup, I've spotted that but the package has been uploaded before I could package new version of the lib, doing now ;)
[09:41] <LaserJock> nixternal: what kind of access?
[09:41] <AndyP> bashelier: ok cool :)
[09:41] <nixternal> in order to review and to be able to archive my old stuff on there I guess
[09:42] <Kmos> [20:32]  <LaserJock> well, actually, I'm not sure if the Main freeze is over
[09:42] <Kmos> yes, it's frozen for tribe-2
[09:42] <Kmos> still frozen =)
[09:43] <LaserJock> Kmos: yes, I just checked the topic in -devel ;-)
[09:43] <Kmos> :)
[09:43] <LaserJock> nixternal: woah, you made MOTU!!
[09:43] <LaserJock> I didn't see it was final
[09:44] <nixternal> LaserJock: yes, this morning mdz added me :)
[09:44] <tsmithe> nixternal, yay congrats!
[09:44] <AndyP> nixternal: congrats :)
[09:44] <nixternal> thank you
[09:44] <Kmos> nixternal: nice work!
[09:44] <Kmos> just to be different :)
[09:44] <nixternal> lol
[09:44] <nixternal> thanks
[09:44] <tsmithe> nixternal, as your first task (or whatever) you can sponsor my *ubuntustudio* packages!
[09:45] <tsmithe> ScottK, a bit quicker and that would have been pre-emptive :p
[09:45] <tsmithe> lol
[09:45] <tsmithe> ScottK, but thanks for volunteering for that noble task ;)
[09:45] <tsmithe> hehe i guess that's a tad more noble
[09:46] <LaserJock> nixternal: I'll set you as a reviewer in a sec
[09:46] <ScottK> Or more precisely trolling for an archive admin to let clamav 0.90.3-1ubuntu2 (source) out of jail...
[09:46] <tsmithe> haha
[09:46] <nixternal> thanks LaserJock, no rush of course ;)
[09:47] <tsmithe> yes there is!
[09:47] <bashelier> AndyP: Newest version on remote site is 0.17, local version is 0.14
[09:47] <bashelier> :)
[09:47] <zul> lionel: ping
[09:47] <lionel> zul: pong
[09:47] <mok0> pooof
[09:48] <zul> lionel: ill take care of xen tools tonight myself
[09:48] <bashelier> zul: why ? :)
[09:48] <lionel> zul: Ok, no problem for me
[09:49] <zul> bashelier: huh?
[09:51] <ajmitch> LaserJock: oh no, what have we done?
[09:51] <bashelier> zul: is it about bug #122554 ?
[09:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122554 in xen-tools "Please merge xen-tools (universe) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122554
[09:51] <zul> bashelier: yes
[09:52] <bashelier> zul: I can do it right now but... if you want to do it yourself go on ;)
[09:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: heah, I didn't vote for him ;-)
[09:53] <zul> bashelier: i have to do somethings to it so people can install gutsy with it
[09:53] <zul> hey ajmitch 
[09:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I must have been drunk...
[09:55] <LaserJock> or paid off ...
[09:56] <LaserJock> but I don't think he's got that much money ;-)
[09:56] <ajmitch> haha
[09:57] <norsetto> ajmitch: Could you perhaps help me? I'm having a login problem in REVU
[09:57] <nixternal> nevah
[09:57] <ajmitch> norsetto: the problem being?
[09:57] <norsetto> can't login .....
[09:58] <YannDinendal> neither do I...
[09:58] <ajmitch> norsetto: are you in the LP group, is your key in the keyring, have you successfully uploaded a package & it appears on REVU?
[09:58] <YannDinendal> but I guess I have more problems than you ^^
[09:58] <norsetto> yes to all:  login for user "cesare.tirabassi@gmail.com" failed, please retry or recover
[09:59] <YannDinendal> ajmitch, are you admin or something ? I don't know if my package was uploaded and I can't login :( 
[09:59] <ajmitch> YannDinendal: yes, but I'm leaving for work Real Soon Now
[10:00] <YannDinendal> ok
[10:00] <LaserJock> YannDinendal: what package?
[10:00] <YannDinendal> checkgmail 1.12 (my very first package), yannbreliere@gmail.com
[10:01] <YannDinendal> LaserJock, in fact, I can't retrieve my password
[10:01] <YannDinendal> gpg returns "None"
[10:01] <LaserJock> YannDinendal: can you try uploading it again?
[10:01] <YannDinendal> ok
[10:01] <ajmitch> norsetto: what happens when you try to recover password?
[10:01] <LaserJock> I cleared chekgmail out of the rejected queue the other day
[10:02] <norsetto> nothing, I was never able to login (it says something about copying text but there is nothing to copy)
[10:03] <YannDinendal> LaserJock, great ! it worked :D
[10:03] <LaserJock> YannDinendal: yeah, I think you tried to upload before the keyring was synced
[10:03] <LaserJock> it looks ok now
[10:03] <LaserJock> norsetto: what package did you upload?
[10:04] <ajmitch> norsetto: you don't have a special sign-only gpg key or something, do you?
[10:04] <YannDinendal> norsetto, I had the same problem yesterday, and today it showed something wich didn't return anything in gpg...
[10:04] <norsetto> ajmitch: no
[10:04] <ajmitch> YannDinendal: difference is that I can see that norsetto has an account (and password) registered there
[10:04] <norsetto> laserjock: reconstructor, I tried with a new key today which I guess is not yet synced
[10:05] <LaserJock> norsetto: right, I see a rejected email
[10:05] <YannDinendal> ajmitch, ok, but how do I get an account ? 
[10:05] <ajmitch> YannDinendal: by havnig a successful upload
[10:05] <ajmitch> norsetto: that could be a problem
[10:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'll let you resync & handle it, I have to run off for work in a min
[10:05] <norsetto> what, the new key?
[10:06] <LaserJock> ajmitch: sure
[10:06] <nixternal> hey, what package is responsible for providing the disc name when you are looking at a LiveCD in Windows?
[10:06] <LaserJock> norsetto: I'm resyncing the keyring now, it'll take a few minutes
[10:06] <norsetto> thanks ajmitch!
[10:06] <YannDinendal> ajmitch, ok thanks, now the thing encripted decripts well :)
[10:07] <LaserJock> norsetto: when that's done you can reupload the package and it *should* work
[10:07] <norsetto> Laserjock: thx, I changed the key today in desperation, thinking it could be an elgamal problem
[10:07] <LaserJock> ah yes, that would be a problem :-0
[10:07] <LaserJock> :-) rather
[10:13] <norsetto> Laserjock: should I retry or is a tad too early?
[10:13] <LaserJock> too early
[10:13] <LaserJock> it's still syncing
[10:13] <LaserJock> that's why we only have a daily cron job for it
[10:13] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:16] <bashelier> AndyP: bug #122392
[10:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122392 in podbrowser "podbrowser depends on Gtk2::Ex::PodViewer 0.16, but 0.14 in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122392
[10:17] <LaserJock> norsetto: ok, go for it
[10:18] <norsetto> going .....
[10:18] <norsetto> gone
[10:19] <LaserJock> wait for it ...
[10:21] <norsetto> the suspense is killing me, I'm out of fingernails already
[10:21] <norsetto> no wait, I forgot the bottom set :-X
[10:23] <LaserJock> norsetto: yeah, it made it
[10:23] <LaserJock> \o/
[10:24] <nixternal> norsetto: hahahahahahahha, you forgot the bottom set, I don't know if I should puke or laugh, but I like it :)
[10:24] <norsetto> yeah, I can see it but still:  login for user "cesare.tirabassi@gmail.com" failed, please retry or recover
[10:25] <LaserJock> so did you recover?
[10:25] <nixternal> norsetto: recover
[10:25] <nixternal> then do the gpg lovin' to get that silly like 3408UROJFjfjla password
[10:25] <nixternal> oops, sorry LaserJock, didn't mean to post your password
[10:26] <jussi01> lol
[10:26] <norsetto> ALLELUJA!
[10:27] <norsetto> thanks guys ...... an hug to each
[10:27] <norsetto> double to nix (arms and legs :))
[10:27] <LaserJock> no problemo norsetto, thanks for contributing to Universe ;-)
[10:29] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta try to get some real work done
[10:29] <LaserJock> bbl
[10:29] <YannDinendal> LaserJock, now that I have made my first package wich would anyway have been merged from debian...
[10:29] <nixternal> haha, wait a sec, that kind of sounded perverted
[10:29] <norsetto> =-O
[10:29] <YannDinendal> do you know where I can find a package to do, that is not already maintained by somebody ?
[10:29] <LaserJock> nixternal: dirty mind
[10:30] <LaserJock> YannDinendal: sure
[10:30] <nixternal> come on, he was trying to hug my arms and legs
[10:30] <nixternal> ;p
[10:30] <LaserJock> YannDinendal: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging
[10:31] <mok0> I'm looking at the Upload & build queue in LP -- how does that work? Is it an automated build?
[10:31] <YannDinendal> thanks LaserJock 
[10:31] <LaserJock> now I'm off
[10:31] <YannDinendal> are there some easier than other ?
[10:31] <ajmitch> yes, automated build once it's in the build queue
[10:31] <YannDinendal> ok
[10:32] <mok0> ajmitch: what's the turnaround there? It seems there are still pretty old packs sitting there
[10:32] <ajmitch> ok, at work now, time to shutdown this box
[10:32] <ajmitch> back later
[10:32] <ajmitch> sorry
[10:33] <mok0> c ya
[10:37] <xxxxx1> bye all
[10:42] <norsetto> cheers guys.....
[10:43] <ScottK> mok0: Generally the lag isn't very bad at all for getting packages built.
[10:44] <mok0> ScottK: I was just wondering... the current package has been building for 5 hours...
[10:44] <ScottK> Some of them take a long time to build.
[10:45] <jussi01> can someone mention a c# compiler? please...
[10:45] <mok0> ScottK: This is latex-cjk-chinese-arphic .... no wonder :-)
[10:46] <mok0> ScottK: Did you read my blurp on the ubuntu-science list today?
[10:47] <ScottK> No.  I'm not on that list.
[10:47] <mok0> ScottK: ok
[10:47] <ScottK> jussi01: I'm sure nixternal would know about Windows stuff like that.
[10:47] <jussi01> ScottK: lol
[10:47] <nixternal> nope, can't say that I do, nice try though
[10:47] <jussi01> seriously though...
[10:48] <AndyP> mono should have a c# compiler... mcs or gmcs i think
[10:48] <ScottK> jussi01: Don't you have to look at mono for that?
[10:48] <pygi> AndyP, yes ... gmcs being the newer one
[10:48] <AndyP> right
[10:49] <jussi01> thank you all :d
[10:49] <jussi01> im trying to compile ifolder
[10:49] <ajmitch> heh
[10:50] <mok0> jussi01: apt-get install mono :-D
[10:50] <ajmitch> planning to package it?
[10:50] <jussi01> ajmitch: no, but now you mention...maybe when i get to it..
[10:51] <ajmitch> well, I know that there are already people looking at it
[10:51] <jussi01> oh, ok :D
[10:54] <jussi01> hmmm,  are mcs/gmcs not in the repos?
[10:54] <mok0> jussi01: mono-gmcs - Mono C# 2.0 compiler
[10:55] <jussi01> mok0: ahh, thanks
[10:55] <mok0> jussi01: np :-)
[10:58] <AndyP> could a MOTU have a look at bug #122633 and perhaps process a rebuild, thanks
[10:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122633 in twinkle "[Gutsy]  Incorrect dependencies" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122633
[10:59] <geser> AndyP: will do it when I'm back home
[10:59] <AndyP> geser: thanks
[11:09] <jussi01> hmmm, can some one help me with this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27487/
[11:11] <AndyP> jussi01: looks like you don't have the libstdc++ library installed
[11:11] <AndyP> or it can't find it for some other reason
[11:12] <man-di> jussi01: aptitude install build-essential
[11:19] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[11:20] <jussi01> I have it installed... what could be wrong? 
[11:22] <mok0> jussi01: It's looking for the std C++ library...
[11:23] <mok0> jussi01: try linking with g++
[11:23] <jussi01> hmmm, enlighten me... how?
[11:23] <mok0> g++ CSPObjectIterator.o CSPropertyIterator.o ... etc
[11:24] <jussi01> Im all confused tonight...
[11:24] <mok0> :-)
[11:24] <mok0> It's being linked by /usr/bin/ld
[11:25] <mok0> but you can use g++ as a linker
[11:25] <jussi01> ok, please excuse me for appearing so dumb, but what else do i need in the etc part of your instruction?
[11:26] <mok0> perhaps I'm the one being dumb :)
[11:27] <mok0> I am suggesting to take line 1 of your paste, and replace /usr/bin/ld with g++
[11:27] <mok0> just do it in the term
[11:27] <AndyP> wouldn't g++ just call ld to do its linking?
[11:31] <mok0> Yes but it passes stdc++ etc
[11:31] <mok0> you could also add -lstdc++ and see it that works
[11:33] <jussi01> hmmm... mok0 so I edit the makefile?
[11:33] <mok0> Just copy the line to the terminal and try it first
[11:34] <jussi01> ok
[11:34] <mok0> BTW, do you have libstdc++5 installed?
[11:35] <mok0> maybe it's a missing dependency
[11:36] <jussi01> mok0: yes
[11:36] <mok0> jussi01: yes what?
[11:36] <mok0> :)
[11:37] <jussi01> yes its installed
[11:37] <mok0> Ah
[11:37] <mok0> Also the -dev ?
[11:39] <jussi01> yeah, hang on, the dev should pull the normal one, correct?
[11:39] <mok0> jussi01: yes 
[11:39] <jussi01> yeah, they are installed
[11:40] <mok0> It's gonne work now. I can feel it
[11:41] <mok0> Then why the **** can't it find the library?
[11:41] <jussi01> I have no idea... :(
[11:41] <jussi01> and the g++ command you gave couldnt find the files, where am I supposed to run it?
[11:41] <mok0> Something strange is going on in that makefile
[11:42] <mok0> you should run it in the same directory that contains the .o files
[11:43] <jussi01> ok...
[11:43] <mok0> ... so you have libstdc++5-3.3-dev  installed, yes?
[11:43] <jussi01> yes
[11:44] <mok0> Is this the mono stuff from earlier you are working on?
[11:45] <jussi01> mok0: yeah, its a dependency of the mono...
[11:45] <jussi01> http://forgeftp.novell.com/ifolder/client/released/3.2.5347.1/src/simias-1.2.5347.1.tar.gz
[11:45] <mok0> ok
[11:46] <mok0> ... a C++ program?
[11:46] <jussi01> ummm, I guess
[11:46] <jussi01> mok0: http://www.ifolder.com/index.php/Download
[11:46] <mok0> Looking at your paste again, it has a weird -L directory
[11:47] <mok0> ../../../external/flaim/lxx86/gcc3/release .... what the h is that?
[11:48] <jussi01> hang on, ill give you the whole make output...
[11:50] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27497/
[11:50] <jussi01> mok0: 
[11:54] <mok0> jussi01: Hmmm, weird. Can you just do an ls /usr/lib/libstdc++* ?
[11:54] <jussi01> jussi@jussi-laptop:~/Desktop/simias-1.2.5347.1$ ls /usr/lib/libstdc++*
[11:54] <jussi01> /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5      /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6
[11:54] <jussi01> /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7  /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.8
[11:54] <jussi01> jussi@jussi-laptop:~/Desktop/simias-1.2.5347.1$  
[11:55] <jussi01> maybe i need to get rid of the 6 one?
[11:55] <mok0> no that's not it;  I have them too
[11:56] <mok0> But I dont see a .so 
[11:56] <jussi01> does the build work for you?
[11:56] <mok0> Haven't tried it
[11:56] <jussi01> ok
[11:57] <mok0> I could do it, wait a minute
[11:57] <jussi01> ok
[11:57] <jussi01> :)
[11:57] <mok0> downloading...
[11:58] <jussi01> :)
[11:58] <jussi01> thanks a million for helping, i appreciate it
[11:58] <mok0> did you use any specific configure flags?
[11:59] <jussi01> no
[11:59] <jussi01> just ./configure
[11:59] <jussi01> hello persia
[11:59] <mok0> Ah, I have no C# compiler :-)
[11:59] <persia> hello jussi01
[11:59] <jussi01> mok0: mono-mcs is the one it likes
[12:00] <jussi01> hows things this morning persia?
[12:01] <mok0> hmm, I got a different compile error..
[12:01] <jussi01> which one?
[12:01] <jussi01> i had a couple which i fixed...
[12:01] <mok0>  error CS1518: Expected `class',  ... etc
[12:01] <superm1> hi persia 
[12:02] <jussi01> mok0: weird
[12:02] <jussi01> i jst had a couple of missing libs...
[12:02] <persia> hi superm1
[12:03] <mok0> jussi01: which libs?
[12:03] <mok0> jussi01: rephrase, which packages?
[12:03] <jussi01> libxml2 + dev and pkg-comfig
[12:03] <jussi01> config even
[12:04] <jussi01> mok0: do you have mono installed?
[12:05] <mok0> I installed mono-mcs like you suggested
[12:05] <jussi01> yeah, I also insatlled just mono
[12:06] <mok0> I'll try that
[12:06] <mok0> Nope. Still fails with same errors :-(
[12:07] <jussi01> hmmm
[12:07] <mok0> Are you running Feisty?
[12:07] <jussi01> where is jdong... he is a mono boy...
[12:07] <jussi01> mok0: yes
[12:08] <mok0> This is uphill...
[12:08] <jussi01> yeah...
[12:09] <mok0> The compiler croaks on the file IAuthService.cs
[12:09] <mok0> 3 errors.
[12:09] <jussi01> its just weird
[12:10] <mok0> Did you just unpack; configure; make?
[12:10] <AndyP> you're using mcs? gmcs is the newer compiler (as pygi mentioned earlier)
[12:10] <jussi01> AndyP: it doesnt like gmcs
[12:10] <AndyP> ah ok
[12:11] <mok0> It doesn't like mcs either :-)
[12:11] <jussi01> hmmm, Ive just discovered a dapper repo, and about  a million people complaining about how hard it is to compile...
[12:11] <ajmitch> giving the exact error would help
[12:12] <jussi01> ajmitch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27497/
[12:12] <mok0> Yeah, configure doesn't accept gmcs
[12:12] <ajmitch> give me a few minutes, this system is running excruciatingly slow
[12:12] <jussi01> ok
[12:13] <ajmitch> due to me testing some code I wrote, oh well :)
[12:13] <jussi01> hehe
[12:13] <mok0> ^C it :-)
[12:13] <ajmitch> simple to fix, you need something like /r:Mono.Posix
[12:13] <ajmitch> I remember helping someone with this problem only a few weeks ago
[12:14] <jussi01> huh?
[12:14] <mok0> heh
[12:14] <jussi01> ajmitch: let me remind you... [00:24]  <jussi01> Im all confused tonight...
[12:15] <jussi01> :)