[12:45] <gerro> what up xubby fans!
[12:45] <gerro> darn guess everyone out for dinner :/
[12:46] <cheeseboy> im here
[12:46] <gerro> embarking on my third journey to install xubuntu on c640 dell latitude this time using debian bootstrap method :)
[12:46] <gerro> cheeseboy: hiya cheese
[12:47] <gerro> you ever did a floppy install?
[12:47] <gerro> I'm trying to follow this old guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies
[12:51] <gerro> keep getting dd: writing to `/dev/fd0': Input/output error, think I've mounted them wrong or something
[12:53] <kafran> I have the Ubuntu CD, need I to download Xubuntu?? Can I re-use Ubuntu CD for Xubuntu?
[12:53] <gerro> I guess
[12:53] <TheSheep> kafran: yes, you can
[12:53] <gerro> just do apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:54] <gerro> but the xubuntu live cd is quite awesome for use on other computers :)
[12:54] <TheSheep> kafran: just install the 'server installation' -- that's the minimal install, the 'base' of all *buntu, then install the xubuntu-desktop package -- this is the part specific to xubuntu.
[12:54] <gerro> kafran: will that computer have the minimum to run ubuntu installer?
[12:56] <kafran> gerro: yep, its a Senprom 2200 1.5Ghz, 1024 DDR, IDE 40 Gb, nVidia 128mb
[12:56] <gerro> not bad should run well out of box
[12:57] <kafran> TheSheep: is the "server installation" on Ubuntu CD ?? the cd that I have here is the Ubuntu shitit, sended from Canonical
[12:57] <kafran> shipit* sorry
[12:58] <kafran> sent
[12:58] <kafran> bah, my bad english :s
[01:00] <TheSheep> kafran: I'm not sure for the recent cd, but there used to be an option in the boot menu for a 'server install'
[01:00] <TheSheep> kafran: the name might have changed
[01:00] <kafran> TheSheep: hmmm, let me see here in VirtualBox
[01:01] <TheSheep> kafran: if you don't mind having a normal ubuntu alongside your xubuntu, you can just install the xubuntu-desktop in your ubuntu -- you will then have both, and you can select which one you want to use from the login screen
[01:13] <kafran> TheSheep: I'm seeing some screenshots on Xubuntu page, its like gnome o.O
[01:17] <TheSheep> kafran: it is made to look similar by default
[01:17] <TheSheep> kafran: but it is simplier
[01:17] <k-os> it's just a bit better than gnome ;)
[01:18] <TheSheep> depends for what :)
[01:18] <kafran> which WM it use? Engliment?
[01:18] <k-os> xfwm
[01:19] <kafran> k-os: have Synaptic too?
[01:19] <k-os> yes
[01:19] <k-os> it's ubuntu you know kafran :)
[01:20] <k-os> just modified to use XFCE as the default desktop
[01:20] <kafran> k-os: in Kubuntu isn't Synaptic ^^
[01:20] <k-os> i don't know that, i've never used Kubuntu :)
[01:23] <bytor4232> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:24] <bytor4232> The only thing I miss in Ubuntu right now is Evolution.  Its just too fat to run on this machine.
[01:25] <bytor4232> I like Thunderbird, but Lightning needs massive improvement.
[01:25] <TheSheep> mutt ftw!
[01:25] <bytor4232> hehe
[01:26] <bytor4232> I have to use a decent calendar thou.  All my stuff at work and at home is in ical format
[01:26] <cheeseboy> what i need for sound to work?
[01:26] <cheeseboy> what app ?
[01:27] <bytor4232> cheeseboy: what do you mean?
[01:27] <bytor4232> cheeseboy: Is the sound driver not working or something?
[01:28] <cheeseboy> no  dont have it installed yet
[01:28] <cheeseboy> i started from command line system
[01:29] <cheeseboy> so what do i need to install?
[01:29] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: you need alsa-base
[01:30] <bytor4232> cheeseboy: and alsa-utils
[01:31] <cheeseboy> can i play a test sound some how?
[01:32] <bytor4232> cheeseboy: aplay
[01:33] <bytor4232> it will play a wav file
[01:35] <TheSheep> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[01:35] <TheSheep> that will play white noise
[01:36] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: use alsamixer to change the volume for yuor channels
[01:38] <cheeseboy> kk thnx
[01:42] <gerro> doing a floppy install and everything going good but umm
[01:43] <gerro> ah nvm
[01:46] <gerro> ok blue and white menu screen I can scroll menu with arrow keys
[01:46] <gerro> how do I select continue?
[01:46] <gerro> enter doesn't work
[01:46] <gerro> :(
[01:46] <gerro> ok tab does
[01:47] <gnomefreak> tab?
[01:48] <gnomefreak> than enter
[01:52] <gerro> gnomefreak: any clue how to find out what my hard drive is named in /dev ?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> gerro: /etc/fstab
[01:53] <gnomefreak> in that dir it should tell you everything
[01:53] <gerro> gnomefreak: I don't have an operating system setup yet just a small ram disk with root privs
[01:53] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[01:53] <gnomefreak> thats a bit more of a challenge
[01:54] <gnomefreak> not sure
[01:54] <gerro> trying to fdisk stuff for xubuntu install over network
[01:55] <gerro> its a debian ramdisk if that helps some, there lot of sub directories in /dev
[02:25] <gerro> alrighty the debian boot floppies sort of messed up at one point or another
[02:26] <gerro> anyway I can load up usb drivers from a floppy and boot usb copy of xubuntu?
[02:26] <gerro> that sounds sooo much easier :)
[02:41] <mikeconcepts> searching google on how to play a img video file I downloaded, but hard to find
[02:41] <mikeconcepts> any suggestions?
[02:42] <vidd> img file?
[02:42] <vidd> what window's app plays that?
[02:42] <mikeconcepts> img is not automatically recognized by vlc like iso is
[02:42] <mikeconcepts> what linix app?
[02:43] <mikeconcepts> windows considers it like an iso
[02:43] <vidd> if i know what windows app....i should be able to translate into linux
[02:43] <vidd> =] 
[02:43] <mikeconcepts> renaming to iso didn't help
[02:43] <mikeconcepts> it is an image of a dvd
[02:43] <vidd> ah....
[02:44] <vidd> dvdburn should be helpful, i would imagine
[02:44] <vidd> as cdburn lets programs recofgnize iso's
[02:45] <mikeconcepts> except rather than burn, can dvdburn just save the file as an iso?
[02:45] <mikeconcepts> that woul help
[02:45] <mikeconcepts> I will searce for how to convert img to iso
[02:46] <mikeconcepts> search*
[02:46] <vidd> mikeconcepts, just having the app sould allow other apps understand the format and use it
[02:47] <mikeconcepts> thanks, will install right away
[02:47] <mikeconcepts> meanwhile, there is a converting program
[02:47] <vidd> mikeconcepts, looks like .img files are used by qemu....
[02:47] <mikeconcepts> kiso
[02:48] <vidd> how did you make this file?
[02:48] <mikeconcepts> a torrent download of a movie
[02:49] <vidd> mikeconcepts, i cant guarentee that you WILL be able to view it...
[02:49] <vidd> unless you install qemu and run it from that
[02:50] <mikeconcepts> there must be a way, but converting it to iso will work
[02:50] <vidd> with qemu, you would set a .img for the fake hdd, and the movie .img as the cdrom
[02:51] <vidd> converting it to an ISO will NOT work....
[02:51] <vidd> unless you have a windows box that will do it
[02:51] <mikeconcepts> umm
[02:51] <vidd> what you have is NOT an iso....
[02:51] <mikeconcepts> vidd, you have been through this?
[02:52] <vidd> and if it was, then the image quality will be close to zero, and good luck with the encription
[02:52] <vidd> yes,,,,
[02:52] <mikeconcepts> I see
[02:52] <vidd> once i came across the qemu reference, it all came back to me....
[02:52] <vidd> i used qemu many times b4
[02:53] <mikeconcepts> well, I do have xp under vmware server, and I could whatch it from there, but the objective is to be self sufficient
[02:53] <vidd> the img file you have is a copy of a dvd made via qemu, and ONLY qemu will let you view it properly
[02:53] <mikeconcepts> I liked qemm, but vmware is faster
[02:54] <mikeconcepts> qemu*
[02:54] <vidd> true...but i dont think you will get it to work that way either
[02:55] <vidd> your welcome to try...and if im wrong...PLEASE tell me
[02:55] <vidd> =] 
[02:56] <vidd> the problem with the image quality and encription will come from the conversion of the file from .img to .iso.....iso is a bad method for movie dvd's...the data is stored all wrong
[02:59] <kafran> which xfce version Xubuntu use?
[02:59] <vidd> kafran, wich version of xubuntu?
[02:59] <kafran> vidd: last
[03:00] <kafran> vidd: 2.29 I think
[03:00] <vidd> 2.29????
[03:00] <kafran> vidd:     * feisty (metapackages): Xubuntu desktop system
[03:00] <kafran>       2.29: amd64 i386 powerpc
[03:00] <illu45> kafran, Feisty is 7.04 :P
[03:00] <kafran> illu45: he asked package version, no?
[03:02] <mikeconcepts> kafran, I installed the latest version of xfce soon after installing xubuntu 7.04
[03:02] <mikeconcepts> much better
[03:02] <vidd> according to synaptic, the meta package that is available via the repo's is 4.3.99.1
[03:03] <kafran> mikeconcepts: u compiled?
[03:03] <mikeconcepts> Xfce 4 Desktop Environment
[03:03] <mikeconcepts> version 4.4.0 (Xfce 4.4)
[03:03] <mikeconcepts> get this, latest and works perfectly
[03:04] <mikeconcepts> looking back through bookmarks
[03:07] <vidd> mikeconcepts, he was asking what came with...not what ya can get
[03:07] <mikeconcepts> vidd, oh
[03:07] <cheeseboy> vidd you live here ? :-P
[03:08] <vidd> no...i rent
[03:13] <mikeconcepts> http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/05/12/howto-install-xfce-441-on-xubuntu-704-feisty-fawn/ is what I used to upgrade to the latest xfce
[03:13] <mikeconcepts> it has one problem
[03:13] <mikeconcepts> it failed to mention you also neet to install gettext
[03:13] <TheSheep> !worksforme
[03:13] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[03:13] <kafran> mikeconcepts: I was reading here, the Feisty already comes with xfce 4.4 ;)
[03:14] <mikeconcepts> mine didn't
[03:14] <TheSheep> with 4.4.0, and gutsy has 4.4.1
[03:14] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: you must have broken it ;)
[03:15] <mikeconcepts> lol
[03:15] <mikeconcepts> just wanted the improvements
[03:15] <kafran> someone know an equivalent ekiga for xfce? I mean gnome independent, I cant live without voip :S
[03:15] <TheSheep> kafran: I use gizmoproject
[03:16] <TheSheep> kafran: but it's not opensource
[03:16] <kafran> TheSheep: I already have the voip provider, i need only the program
[03:17] <vidd> !ekiga
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ekiga - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:17] <gerro> instlux solved alllll my installation problems :)
[03:18] <kafran> ubotu: I like latest cause they always comes with new features :D
[03:18] <kafran> and I like new features \o/
[03:18] <gerro> and I like the new features plugins
[03:18] <vidd> kafran, ubotu is a robot...not a person
[03:18] <kafran> vidd: I know ^^
[03:18] <kafran> vidd: every body read what I said :D
[03:19] <gerro> kafran: make me :P
[03:19] <kafran> gerro: ?
[03:19] <kafran> make u?
[03:20] <gerro> no actually its spelled "make install"
[03:20] <gerro> think requires sudo :)
[03:22] <vidd> *stable
[03:22] <vidd> bbs
[03:22] <kafran> bah, I'm thinking to continue with Gnomebuntu ;/ Xubuntu not for me, I cant live without ekiga ;/ i dont like to pay phone bills :D
[03:37] <vidd> kafran, if you need the app...GET the app
[03:38] <vidd> there is no law saying you CANT use gnome apps!
[03:55] <vidd> (and his pc's are old relics that had trouble running win98....)
[04:14] <bytor4232> hey guys
[04:14] <bytor4232> i got a silly question
[04:14] <bytor4232> if I "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" will the startup screens change?  Can they be changed?
[04:14] <bytor4232> I like the little mouse
[04:15] <illu45> Hm... I think the mouse on the wheel was taken out in 7.04, actually
[04:15] <bytor4232> nope
[04:15] <bytor4232> I'm running fiesty xubuntu
[04:15] <bytor4232> installed from fiesty xubuntu
[04:15] <illu45> Ah, all right, then. You can change them by going to Settings-> Splash Screen Settings
[04:16] <bytor4232> no, the boot up screen.  Sorry
[04:17] <illu45> Ah, the boot screen... Not sure about that one, sorry
[04:17] <bytor4232> dang
[04:17] <bytor4232> yeah, that spash screen is not active.
[04:17] <bytor4232> I'm really digging Xubuntu thou.
[04:18] <illu45> Hehe... By the boot screen, you mean the one before the login screen, right?
[04:38] <Jester45> anyone know of a non-gnome window decorator for compiz
[04:41] <j1mc> Jester45: sorry... no... not off-hand, anyway.
[04:42] <Jester45> do you know if emerald could?
[04:42] <Jester45> and... how to get the compiz settings manager to run
[04:42] <Jester45> nevermind
[04:42] <j1mc> hhmmm... :/   ... i shoulda kept my mouth shut.  :)  i know almost nothing about compiz.
[04:42] <j1mc> sorry
[04:43] <Jester45> i was looking in beryls settings manager spot (system) but it was where settings should go... setting
[04:52] <Ghostvirus> okay guys, i'm running xubuntu 7.04 on a 2.8 ghz pentium 4, and xubuntu seems to use quite a bit of cpu
[04:52] <Ghostvirus> it spikes often
[04:53] <Ghostvirus> any idea what causes this?
[04:54] <TheSheep> Ghostvirus: use top and see what takes it
[04:54] <Ghostvirus> TheSheep: xorg seems to be the culprit in general
[04:55] <Jester45> yea, compiz + emerald works like a charm
[04:55] <Jester45> Ghostvirus, is your video card accelerated?
[04:55] <Jester45> hiya vidd
[04:55] <vidd> hey
[04:56] <Ghostvirus> Jester45: i'm running a Radeon 7500 64MB on the open source "ati" driver, which fully supports acceleration for my card, AFAIK
[04:56] <Jester45> ok
[04:56] <Ghostvirus> i've got direct rendering working and everything, but i don't use any compositing
[04:58] <Jester45> it still uses more cpu if your not accelerated to even with simple 2d xorg
[04:58] <Ghostvirus> whenever i run a compositor, the xorg cpu usage gets even worse too :(
[04:58] <Jester45> thats understandable
[04:59] <Jester45> does it spike when your moving windows or just sitting there
[04:59] <Ghostvirus> moving windows
[05:00] <Jester45> is this on a regualr radeon or a mobiliy one?
[05:00] <Ghostvirus> mobility. yeah, i'm using a laptop
[05:00] <Ghostvirus> dell inspriron 5100. bleh
[05:01] <Jester45> and do the windows leave trails when you move them
[05:01] <Ghostvirus> yeah, they do
[05:01] <jtg23> ok, i have tried numerous configurations over the past several days to get either a broadcom-based linksys or a zd1211-based airlink card to work with xubuntu but to no avail.  when i follow the howtoforge tutorial on kernel compilation, it goes blank after "ok booting kernel"
[05:02] <Jester45> yea... the card is slow you can try making it to not show the contains when moveing the windows
[05:02] <Jester45> it will just show a gray outline
[05:02] <Jester45> thats why its spikes
[05:03] <Ghostvirus> yeah that makes it a bit better
[05:03] <Ghostvirus> i'm beginning to think my hardware is just a bad mix
[05:04] <Ghostvirus> hot p4, damn ati card, stupid broadcom ethernet, etc
[05:04] <Ghostvirus> sorry meant broadcom wifi
[05:04] <jtg23> can't access tty; job control turned off - what does this mean?
[05:05] <vidd> sounds like a kernerl gone bad?
[05:05] <vidd> what changes did you make to the kernel?
[05:06] <jtg23> i recompiled following the howtoforge instructions
[05:06] <jtg23> twice with two kernels
[05:06] <jtg23> leading me to believe xubuntu 6.06 doesn't work with 2.6.20.14 or 2.6.21.5 OR the howtoforge instructions are wrong
[05:06] <vidd> ok...but what were you DOING that you compiled your own kernel?
[05:07] <gushu> hello, I just want one panel on the desktop how do I get rid off the other one?
[05:07] <illu45> gushu, right-click on the one you don't want, and click remove :)
[05:08] <gushu> I don't see the option in the menu
[05:08] <vidd> gushu, right click on either one, choose CUSTOMIZE select the one you want to remove, then hit the [minus]  sign
[05:09] <GrueTamer> lol, winblose
[05:10] <vidd> gushu, i recomend that you right-click and {MOVE} the panel apps you want to keep to the taskbar you will keep before deleting the other
[05:10] <vidd> GrueTamer, i do it because i have small monitors...i need the real estate
[05:10] <Ghostvirus> i use only 1 panel too
[05:11] <gushu> yeah I got that...
[05:11] <Ghostvirus> 1024x768 = no room
[05:11] <gushu> I wonder why XFCE is faster than gnome even though it looks the same
[05:11] <vidd> 800x600 = LESS room
[05:11] <Ghostvirus> oh damn vidd
[05:11] <vidd> gushu, smaller back end
[05:12] <vidd> Ghostvirus, ya go blind trying to use 1024x768 on a 13'" monitor
[05:13] <Ghostvirus> vidd: yeah i'm using a 13" laptop at 1024x768...
[05:14] <vidd> need the larger font sizes with 800x600....but im not going back to 600x400
[05:14] <vidd> 680x480
[05:15] <vidd> grr...ya know what i mean.....
[05:16] <Ghostvirus> wait, my screen is 14.1"
[05:16] <vidd> Ghostvirus, laptops generally are closer to the face then desktop monitors.....
[05:16] <Ghostvirus> vidd: very true
[05:17] <Ghostvirus> i have a 15" crt i often hook the laptop up to since the laptop's screen fucking SUCKS
[05:17] <gushu> I want to increase the font size in window bar, but when I go to Window Manager settings it gives me error
[05:17] <vidd> my 15" laptop monitor is quite comfy @ 1024x768
[05:17] <Ghostvirus> color reproduction on this thing is horrible
[05:18] <Ghostvirus> anybody know if the ubuntu laptop dell is selling is any good? specifically the screen...
[05:18] <vidd> gushu, i used to have that issue...but i did a re-install (for another issue) so i dont know the fix
[05:19] <vidd> Ghostvirus, ive heard good things about it
[05:19] <gushu> ah... I see...guess I'll have to use metacity
[05:20] <Ghostvirus> vidd: ah, good. i really need a laptop with a good display. i do a lot of art-related crap.
[05:20] <neozen> vidd: as is mine
[05:20] <neozen> Ghostvirus: getting colors on a screen to match up with colors actually printed can be ..... tricky
[05:21] <Ghostvirus> i actually installed photoshop 7 in wine today, and made a GTK2 murrina theme
[05:21] <neozen> I usually recommend adobe  software since it seems to be built with just this concern in mind
[05:21] <neozen> sadly, not all can afford it
[05:21] <Ghostvirus> neozen: indeed
[05:21] <neozen> ....like me
[05:22] <Ghostvirus> i'm glad ps7 works as well as it does in wine. i'm happy with it. frankly, nothing's been introduced in the CS line that makes me want any of them
[05:23] <Ghostvirus> the only problematic bug i've run into is the palettes being glued to the desktop, even when i minimize the window
[05:23] <vidd> but the reponce i got when i called about the dial-up modem was "Uhhhh I thinks so"
[05:24] <neozen> don't feel bad Jester45 ...just ship one to each of us ::grins::
[05:24] <Ghostvirus> vidd: dialup is such a bitch
[05:24] <Ghostvirus> i managed to get mine working with some alsa driver + wvdial
[05:25] <neozen> I think the modem in my thinkpad is one of those rare ones that works out of the box
[05:25] <neozen> vidd: they always complain about the size.... until they use it
[05:25] <Jester45> anyone know how to use compiz's desktop cube? (mouse rotating)
[05:25] <neozen> Jester45: nope.... but ask in #foresight
[05:25] <neozen> compiz comes w/ that distro out of the box
[05:26] <neozen> someone should be able to help you there
[05:26] <neozen> ...if no one is answering in #ubuntu-effects of course
[05:26] <vidd> neozen, size??? i think i missed something
[05:26] <neozen> vidd: size of monitor
[05:27] <Ghostvirus> crts are a pain
[05:27] <neozen> my mom wouldn't stop complaining about how large the 19inch crt I got her was.... and then she used it
[05:27] <vidd> are you saying ppl complain that 21 inch is too big until you try to pry it away from them with a sledgehammer and a crowbar?
[05:27] <neozen> now they're inseparable
[05:28] <neozen> that'll about do it
[05:28] <Jester45> i got a free 19 crt.. if you pay for shipping
[05:28] <neozen> and the widescreen ones
[05:28] <neozen> lol
[05:28] <neozen> I just might
[05:28] <vidd> she says "I dont want you to hurt your back takiung it back home...."
[05:28] <neozen> Jester45: where are you?
[05:28] <neozen> vidd: LOL
[05:28] <neozen> Jester45: I'm in chicago
[05:28] <vidd> no...so i just go blind using this tiny one
[05:29] <j1mc> neozen: you're in chicago?
[05:29] <neozen> j1mc: yeah
[05:29] <j1mc> so am i...
[05:29] <j1mc> north side
[05:29] <neozen> j1mc: tell me you went to barcamp last weekend
[05:29] <vidd> Jester45, im in PA
[05:29] <j1mc> yeah, i was there...
[05:29] <Jester45> vidd, i know where you are
[05:29] <neozen> j1mc: awesome
[05:29] <j1mc> that was a great time.  were you there?
[05:30] <neozen> j1mc: yeah
[05:30] <Jester45> im in missouri
[05:30] <neozen> j1mc: I was one of the guys with looooong hair
[05:30] <j1mc> heh...  that narrows it down... not at all.
[05:30] <j1mc> http://blog.nixternal.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/ubuntuchicago.jpg
[05:30] <neozen> j1mc: brown hair... blue eyes, spent most of sunday killing the keg
[05:31] <Ghostvirus> what is it with nerds having long hair?
[05:31] <j1mc> i wasn't there sunday
[05:31] <nixternal> ya, j1mc is the big guy!
[05:31] <Ghostvirus> am i the only nerd with short hair?
[05:31] <neozen> j1mc: wait.... were you the first to puke?
[05:31] <j1mc> nixternal: hehe
[05:31] <Pumpernickel> Offtopic, guys.
[05:31] <nixternal> in the back with that GPLv3 shirt
[05:31] <j1mc> neozen: no
[05:31] <j1mc> Pumpernickel is right...
[05:31] <neozen> j1mc: I remember THAT orange shirt
[05:31] <j1mc> xubuntu-offtopic
[05:31] <neozen> j1mc: aye
[05:31] <neozen> sorry guys
[05:32] <vidd> Ghostvirus, come to #xubuntu-offtopic
[05:33] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, your such a... op
[05:33] <Jester45> :)
[05:42] <gushu> how do I bookmark a location in thunar?
[05:42] <Jester45> drag the file/folder into the column on the left
[05:42] <Jester45> under the ofther bookmarks
[05:43] <gushu> ah...I see....I was looking for it in the menus
[06:23] <confused> Hello.
[06:23] <Ghostvirus> hi
[06:23] <vidd> hello confused
[06:23] <confused> hey vidd you remember someone logged on as ubuntu a few days ago?
[06:24] <vidd> cant say that i do
[06:24] <confused> ih nevermind.
[06:25] <vidd> of course that dont mean i would remember the PROBLEM....
[06:26] <Ghostvirus> man, when is the open/save dialog going to get a damn thumbnails view?
[06:27] <Jester45> Ghostvirus, still looking after that
[06:27] <Jester45> its been like a week
[06:28] <Jester45> torrentflux seems... slow compared to other clients
[06:28] <Ghostvirus> i guess it's a gnome thing. people have been bugging the gnome devs for ages for a more functional open/save dialog
[06:28] <Jester45> i think its because it doesnt havr DHT
[06:28] <Jester45> opos
[06:28] <Jester45> wrong channel
[06:29] <Ghostvirus> how come the xfce folks don't change it?
[06:30] <Jester45> because somepeople might not want it
[06:30] <Jester45> like me
[06:30] <Ghostvirus> oh
[06:31] <Ghostvirus> it's just a hassle trying to upload images with it
[06:31] <vidd> why is that?
[06:32] <Ghostvirus> well, ~90% of my images have numeric filenames, meaning i have no idea what they are unless i can see a thumbnail
[06:33] <TheSheep> Ghostvirus: open thunar and drag the file to the open dialog
[06:33] <vidd> ok....
[06:33] <Ghostvirus> i'm not about to go through 3,200+ images and rename them...
[06:33] <Ghostvirus> TheSheep: that really works?
[06:33] <TheSheep> Ghostvirus: no, I'm just teasing you
[06:33] <vidd> TheSheep, your too fast again...dont you ever sleep?
[06:33] <TheSheep> vidd: no, why?
[06:34] <TheSheep> vidd: you think I should?
[06:34] <TheSheep> vidd: would I seem more human then?
[06:34] <vidd> Ghostvirus, what are you looding thes files to?
[06:34] <vidd> TheSheep, hehe
[06:35] <Ghostvirus> vidd, upload web forms
[06:35] <Ghostvirus> if i try to drag the file to the upload form's "file" field, nothing happens...
[06:36] <vidd> do you have a plan as to what files you want to upload before you use these forms?
[06:36] <vidd> what you do is make a folder like "upload"
[06:36] <Ghostvirus> well i've got all my images sorted by subject, but there are tons of images
[06:37] <vidd> then copy the files you want to upload to that folder....
[06:37] <Ghostvirus> and i usually upload stuff on a whim
[06:37] <vidd> then point the open box there
[06:38] <Ramon> hello... is there like any universal configuration for xorgconfig so i can have X server?
[06:38] <vidd> or...you can saddle down your system with a whole bunch of needless bagagge and use gnome
[06:38] <Ramon> i have a pretty old IBM CRT monitor... and a sis videocard (sis 5595)
[06:39] <Ramon> and tried almost all the configurations and none are working :(
[06:39] <vidd> Ramon, did you already install....or are you about to install?
[06:39] <Ghostvirus> vidd, that's the problem though. the open/save dialog (GtkFileChooser) is part of gnome, and part of xfce
[06:39] <vidd> or are you changing monitors?
[06:39] <Ghostvirus> so the problem exists in both
[06:39] <Ramon> i installed it..... vidd, the thing is that after i install it, it tries to startx
[06:39] <Ramon> and it says that its not possible
[06:39] <vidd> ah...therer is always KDE
[06:39] <Ramon> now im reinstalling again
[06:39] <vidd> =] 
[06:40] <Ghostvirus> i tried KDE once...
[06:40] <Ghostvirus> although kde4 is looking pretty nice
[06:40] <Ghostvirus> but i really like xfce. this filechooser thing is my one hangup
[06:41] <vidd> Ramon, you should not have to re-install....
[06:41] <vidd> just sudo dpkg-reinstall xserver-xorg
[06:41] <Ramon> nah but dont worry i guess its about to finish... one curious thing is that it nevers show me anything on the installer.. just a mouse
[06:41] <Ramon> and then it restarts and seems hte whole system is installed
[06:42] <Ramon> tried that but the same thing happened vidd
[06:42] <Ramon> :(
[06:43] <vidd> alt cd or live Ramon ?
[06:43] <Ramon> cd
[06:44] <vidd> which one...alt or live?
[06:44] <Ramon> alt
[06:44] <Ramon> dont know what seems to be happening
[06:45] <Ramon> i mean i guess its because the monitor is pretty old
[06:45] <vidd> you are never asked to set your user nasme?
[06:45] <Ramon> never
[06:45] <Ramon> it just starts and thats it...it just shows me a mouse inside of the ubuntu logo
[06:46] <Ramon> and then it restarts haha
[06:46] <Ramon> and everything is installed :S
[06:46] <Ramon> but the xserver never works
[06:46] <TheSheep> Ramon: pastebin your /var/log/xorg.0.log
[06:47] <vidd> do you get a screen that asks which method you want to install...with choices like OEM, server, lamp ltsp?
[06:47] <Ramon> nothing like that
[06:47] <vidd> then Ramon i dont think you are acually installing
[06:48] <Ramon> just the first screen that says install....
[06:48] <vidd> yeah...that screen....
[06:48] <Ramon> but if i start without the cd it shows me that kubuntu is installed i mean console mode
[06:48] <vidd> what options does it give ya?
[06:48] <Ramon> install the vga modes etc
[06:49] <vidd> which version?
[06:49] <vidd> dapper, edgy fiesty?
[06:49] <Ramon> but it happens with every distro i try to install i mean the xserver thing
[06:49] <Ramon> dapper i guess
[06:50] <vidd> does your system have internet access that works out of the box?
[06:50] <Ramon> sure
[06:50] <vidd> get the mini iso and do a net install
[06:50] <Ramon> ill try that
[06:50] <Ramon> but im sure it will happen again
[06:51] <vidd> i have it on my downloads page:
[06:51] <Ramon> it happens with debian, suse, deli linux etc
[06:51] <vidd> http://www.vidd.us/downloads
[06:51] <Ramon> i dont know what else to do now :S followed all instructions in google etc etc
[06:51] <Ramon> is the xserver man :)
[06:51] <Ramon> it always happens
[06:51] <vidd> no...its your hardware....
[06:52] <Ramon> yeah i mean a conflict between the configuration of the xserver and my hardware
[06:52] <vidd> is the system up right now?
[06:52] <Ramon> gimme a few seconds
[06:52] <Ramon> its still showing that its working (hd and cd)
[06:52] <Ramon> leds
[06:52] <Ramon> hahahha it is weird
[06:53] <vidd> how do you set your user name, if you dnt get prompted to enter it?
[06:53] <Ramon> it just gives me a prompt and if i type exit it takes me to su
[06:54] <vidd> ....
[06:54] <Ramon> like myuser@xubuntu and if I type exit it shows me #
[06:54] <TheSheep> vidd: busybox
[06:54] <Ramon> hahahhahahah really not kidding
[06:55] <vidd> but Ramon HOW ist the [myuser]  set if you never get prompted to enter it????
[06:55] <Ramon> i know.. dont ask me :( cannot give you a logic answer haha cuz i don't really know
[06:55] <Ramon> now its starting
[06:55] <Ramon> without the cd... and started with grub
[06:56] <vidd> what choises do you have in grub?
[06:57] <Ramon> ok it says XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server : "0:0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with  0 events remaining
[06:57] <Ramon> no options just grub starting in 3...2...1..
[06:57] <vidd> when you get that...hit [esc] 
[06:57] <Ramon> alright.. should i restart again or try the dpkg ?
[06:58] <vidd> right now type lspci
[06:58] <Ramon> lspci ok
[06:58] <vidd> i want to know what display adaptor is listed
[06:58] <Chikubu> anybody got guide on how to strip down the kernel for just my hardware and recompile for performance in xubuntu?
[06:58] <Ramon> let me check :)
[06:59] <TheSheep> !kernel
[06:59] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:59] <Chikubu> ty
[06:59] <Ramon> vga compatible controller: sillicon integrated systems SiS 530/620 pci/agp vga display adapter (rev 2.a)
[06:59] <Chikubu> memory is tight, hoping that might help  (im cheap)
[07:00] <TheSheep> Chikubu: but once you're experienced enough to do that, you probably will want some more slim distribution
[07:00] <Ramon> ...
[07:00] <Jester45> Chikubu, try turning off some services
[07:01] <Jester45> like cups or hplip
[07:01] <Jester45> hplip takes a lot
[07:01] <TheSheep> Ramon: maybe it runs normally just your crt can't display it, because it starts in too large a resolution?
[07:01] <vidd> Ramon, this is odd...NO MATCHES in google
[07:01] <TheSheep> vidd: I have two identical cards and they both work
[07:02] <vidd> TheSheep, ok...
[07:02] <vidd> Ramon, do the reconfigure....
[07:02] <Ramon> i know :(
[07:02] <TheSheep> Ramon: try putting correct refresh ranges in your xorg.conf
[07:02] <Ramon> and what sync ranges should i select for the crt monitor?
[07:02] <TheSheep> Ramon: what monitor is that?
[07:02] <Ramon> yeah which ones? there is no information on that monitor i dont even have the model its just an old ibm monitor
[07:03] <vidd> there is no dataplate on the back?
[07:03] <vidd> with the seriel #?
[07:03] <Ramon> yeah the serial number but there's nothing on google about it
[07:04] <TheSheep> there should be a model number there too
[07:04] <Ramon> no model number just a p/n number and s/n number
[07:04] <vidd> what is the p/n #?
[07:04] <Chikubu> it looks like a vat
[07:04] <Ramon> let me check
[07:04] <vidd> p/n#==model #
[07:04] <Ramon> 33g6267
[07:04] <Chikubu> need cups
[07:05] <Chikubu> this is a printer server primarly
[07:05] <Chikubu> suppose i could start looking around for some old memory
[07:06] <Chikubu> its an OLD system but runs ok as long as the ram doesnt run out
[07:06] <Chikubu> just has  196
[07:07] <Chikubu> or 192 that is
[07:07] <vidd> does this monitor work on a windows machine?
[07:07] <vidd> or do you not have one to test it on?
[07:08] <Ramon> not right now.. it was given by a friend.. she had it working on windows 98
[07:08] <Chikubu> i installed the xorg drivers for this ati card, hoping to get it into higher resolution, after i installed and rebooted, it only offered lower resolution!  so i uninstalled them and THEN it offered the higher resolution i was looking for.....go figure
[07:10] <TheSheep> Ramon: you're sure it's not 6367? 6267 is a processor...
[07:10] <vidd> Ramon, when you do reconfigure, do you get a grey and blue setup wizard?
[07:10] <vidd> (so to speak)
[07:10] <TheSheep> http://www.beagle-ears.com/lars/engineer/comphist/ibmmodel.txt
[07:10] <Ramon> let me check
[07:10] <Ramon> xorgconfig you mean?
[07:11] <vidd> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:13] <Ramon> ok let me check
[07:13] <Ghostvirus> alright, i'm off. later, guys
[07:13] <Ramon> yeah
[07:13] <vidd> night Ghostvirus
[07:14] <Ramon> blue and grey
[07:14] <Ramon> :)
[07:14] <vidd> lets take this a step at a time
[07:14] <Ramon> ok great
[07:14] <vidd> what is it asking for?
[07:15] <Ramon> now it is asking me for the name of the videocard and it automatically showed me sis
[07:15] <Ramon> i select that right
[07:15] <vidd> most of this is about keyboard and mouse....you should be able to use defaults for them
[07:15] <Ramon> great
[07:15] <vidd> Ramon, yes
[07:15] <Ramon> so now it is asking me the videocard's bus identifier
[07:15] <Ramon> it has pci:1:0:0
[07:16] <vidd> is anything selected?
[07:16] <Ramon> a space to write in
[07:16] <vidd> sounds right
[07:16] <Ramon> but it already has that
[07:16] <vidd> its a pci card and not integrated right?
[07:17] <Ramon> it is integrated
[07:17] <vidd> ok..then accept that setting
[07:17] <Ramon> great
[07:17] <Ramon> now it is asking me the amount of memory it has
[07:17] <Ramon> and recommends to leave it blank
[07:18] <vidd> leave it blank...onbard will use ram
[07:18] <Ramon> now it says.. use kernel framebuffer device interface?... and "no" is selected
[07:18] <vidd> accept that
[07:19] <Ramon> select the keyboard it had us i did enter
[07:19] <Ramon> now xkb rule set to use...?
[07:19] <Ramon> and it has xorg as a default
[07:19] <vidd> keyboared stuff
[07:19] <TheSheep> just accept all defaults until you reach monitor config
[07:19] <Ramon> yup
[07:20] <Ramon> now it says mouse device autodetection?
[07:20] <Ramon> yes right?
[07:20] <Ramon> vidd said could be possible it was a keyboard/mouse issue..
[07:20] <vidd> use default
[07:20] <Ramon> alright
[07:20] <vidd> Ramon, no...
[07:21] <vidd> it is either display or monitor
[07:21] <Ramon> now it says... type an identifier for your monitor
[07:21] <Ramon> it has "generic monitor"
[07:22] <vidd> accept
[07:22] <Ramon> now it says.. select the video modes u want to use
[07:22] <Ramon> with the x server
[07:22] <Ramon> i guess it will work only in 640x480 its a small crt
[07:22] <vidd> this part i am unsure....
[07:22] <Ramon> should i select just low modes?
[07:23] <vidd> yes...select only the smallest
[07:23] <Ramon> ok
[07:23] <TheSheep> no matter which ones you select, it will only use the ones that fit the sync ranges
[07:23] <Ramon> 640 was the smallest
[07:23] <vidd> ok
[07:24] <Ramon> now it says choose a method to select your monitor characteristics
[07:24] <vidd> that should be the ONLY one you select....
[07:24] <Ramon> simple, medium and advanced
[07:24] <vidd> we can add more later....
[07:24] <Ramon> yeah i just selected that one
[07:24] <vidd> simple
[07:24] <Ramon> it is a 15 inches
[07:24] <Ramon> ill select that one
[07:25] <vidd> wait....
[07:25] <vidd> verify that is correct....
[07:25] <vidd> you have a ruler?
[07:25] <Ramon> sure.. i did :) it is 15
[07:25] <Ramon> just the screen
[07:25] <TheSheep> vidd: you can't do that with 'simple' method
[07:25] <Ramon> :o
[07:25] <TheSheep> it assumes a modern 15"
[07:25] <vidd> i think ou can
[07:26] <Ramon> well now it is asking me to write sync ranges to configuration file
[07:26] <TheSheep> ok, you can always try again :)
[07:26] <Ramon> "yes" "no"
[07:26] <Ramon> hahahha sure sheep :P
[07:26] <vidd> yes
[07:26] <Ramon> color depth?... 16 would be ok?
[07:26] <Ramon> 24 is the default
[07:27] <vidd> TheSheep, if he needs to do medium or expert...its outside my experience
[07:27] <vidd> 16
[07:27] <Ramon> ok done.. should i try startx?
[07:27] <Jester45> vidd your missing out
[07:27] <vidd> yes
[07:27] <Ramon> alright
[07:27] <vidd> Jester45, i dont like doing things that can damage my stuff
[07:28] <Ramon> man.... let me tell you something :@
[07:28] <Ramon> you are a magician dude!!!! hahah NICE
[07:28] <Ramon> IT WORKS :p
[07:29] <vidd> i dont know why you were not getting this type setup when you installed
[07:29] <Ramon> no idea man
[07:29] <Ramon> hahahahha
[07:29] <Ramon> but the mouse is not working haha
[07:29] <vidd> sounds like a bad install disk....
[07:29] <Ramon> it is a ps2 mouse and its plugged to a pci (usb) card that has it
[07:29] <Ramon> yeah could be
[07:30] <Ramon> i mean the pci usb card has the ps2 mouse connection
[07:30] <vidd> or its a recovery-style disk, and not a true install disk
[07:30] <Ramon> thanks really to all of you.. this is the first chat where someone is really able to assist me
[07:30] <Ramon> :o
[07:30] <vidd> Ramon, does your username/password work?
[07:30] <Ramon> no hahaha
[07:31] <Ramon> i think ill have to set up all the users and pass
[07:31] <vidd> where did you get the install disk from?
[07:32] <Ramon> a friend of mine.. the same girl gave it to me
[07:32] <Ramon> but it is weird :o
[07:32] <Ramon> hey people thank you really!!!! i appreciate it
[07:32] <vidd> methinks it is a recovery style disk, and not an install disk....
[07:32] <Ramon> could be.. even tho' it has the option to install
[07:32] <vidd> since the hardware didnt match, the settings would be wrong
[07:33] <Ramon> yeah.. it is weird really :s
[07:33] <Ramon> THANK YOU man
[07:33] <vidd> and no xserver
[07:33] <Ramon> really!
[07:33] <Ramon> thx :P
[07:33] <Ramon> i appreciate this
[07:33] <vidd> get you a new install disk
[07:33] <Ramon> where can i get it from?
[07:33] <Ramon> ill try this again
[07:33] <Ramon> now that i know how to set it up working
[07:33] <TheSheep> vidd: there is no separate recovery disk for ubuntus?
[07:33] <vidd> from the xubuntu.org site or my downloads page:
[07:34] <Ramon> ill do it right now
[07:34] <vidd> www.vidd.us/downloads
[07:34] <Ramon> :) thank you sheep, thank you a lot vidd
[07:34] <Jester45> what about me :)
[07:34] <vidd> TheSheep, true...but they are simple to make
[07:34] <Ramon> should I try the mini iso?
[07:34] <TheSheep> Ramon: if you have basic system running you can just do apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and it will finish the installation...
[07:34] <Ramon> ah ok great!
[07:35] <vidd> TheSheep, if he has a recovery style disk and not an install disk, id be conserned about rootkits
[07:36] <Ramon> so should i try that mini iso?
[07:36] <Ramon> great :) thanks people REALLY
[07:37] <vidd> the mini iso is burried in the ubuntu archives...but i have a copy on my site
[07:37] <Ramon> and it downloads the rest from any repository?
[07:37] <vidd> yessir
[07:38] <Ramon> thanks man :)
[07:38] <vidd> the mini has enought to set up your lan, apt and to boot the installer
[07:38] <vidd> everything else comes from the internet
[07:40] <vidd> Ramon, you WILL want to install xubuntu-docs...for some reason, the mini disk does not do that by default
[07:40] <vidd> also, you may want to re-run the reconfigure and add resolutions
[07:41] <vidd> and set color to 24....
[07:41] <Ramon> ahhhhhh ok :) im downloading the alternate install
[07:41] <Ramon> and is it hard to configure the mouse the way i have it?
[07:41] <vidd> do the reconfigs while you wait...
[07:41] <Ramon> i mean a ps2 mouse plug on the ps2 port that the pci usb has?
[07:42] <vidd> did you set the mopuse as ps/2 or explorer?
[07:43] <Ramon> i mean.. the computer has an integrated serial port for the mouse.. but there's a pci usb card that has a ps2 connection
[07:43] <Ramon> so i plugged it there.. and on the configuration i set the mouse as default
[07:44] <Ramon> and it set it as ps2
[07:44] <Ramon> nah but dont worry :)
[07:44] <Ramon> i think i can manage to fix that :P...
[07:44] <vidd> when you reeconfigure, chose ps/2, and it hould work no matter WHERE you plug it in
[07:45] <Jester45> .... a vista ultimate live dvd...
[07:45] <Ramon> ahhh great
[07:45] <Jester45> such a great waste of computing power
[07:45] <Ramon> hey just a question that has nothing to do with this... is there any other program like denyhosts but working for ftp's and mysql?
[07:45] <vidd> Jester45, M$ has a LIVE dvd????????
[07:46] <Ramon> hahahhaha microsoft with live dvd's? hahahah wtf
[07:46] <Jester45> ms has winPE but im talking about a real live cd
[07:46] <Jester45> someone made it... im not puting link up and we can take it to offtopic if you want
[07:47] <vidd> Ramon, i dont know about denyhosts
[07:48] <Ramon> its a program that automatically takes the ip's of ppl trying more than 4 attempts to your ssh
[07:48] <Ramon> it places them to /etc/hosts.deny
[07:49] <vidd> sounds sweet....
[07:49] <vidd> 4 FAILED attempts i assume
[07:49] <Ramon> yeah its cool but it works only for ssh
[07:49] <Ramon> yeah
[07:50] <Ramon> hahahahaha
[07:50] <vidd> Ramon, he has permission (and logins) for my machines
[07:50] <Ramon> ah ok :P
[07:51] <vidd> he designed my downloads page...if you went there
[07:51] <Ramon> yup i went there its a cool one :)
[07:53] <Ramon> ok people thank you :) i really appreciate it
[07:53] <Ramon> have to go :)
[07:53] <Ramon> see ya
[08:07] <Jester45> nightly night everyone
[08:13] <Chikubu> ive dug into the cups config file and enabled browsing and such, but which account is that enabling it for, root?
[08:14] <Chikubu> that is how do i log on from a windows machine to browse the print shares cups is controling
[08:17] <tyler446> managed to some how get ubuntu 6.06 installed :) how would it be possible to upgrade to xubuntu 7.04 from here?
[08:19] <Chikubu> look under system update manager, not sure if thats the right one or not
[08:19] <Chikubu> from applications - system - update manager
[08:19] <tyler446> umm I updated
[08:19] <tyler446> do you mean synaptic?
[08:20] <Chikubu> im not sure the command to go from one version to another
[08:31] <Pumpernickel> update-manager -c
[08:31] <Pumpernickel> You'll have to upgrade through Edgy.  There's no direct Dapper -> Feisty upgrade path.
[08:32] <Pumpernickel> Actually, don't use update-manager between Dapper and Edgy.  It'll crash.  bug 68027
[08:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68027 in syslinux "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68027
[08:39] <Chikubu> is there a btter gui for managing print jobs than the one that comes with xubuntu?  my printer prints but all it says is idle and lists no jobs
[08:43] <tyler446> alright read around and have no clue
[08:44] <tyler446> trying to find out how its possible to go from ubuntu 6.06 to xubuntu 7.04 using nothing but network and cpu. I really don't care if I wipe all my files just I can't use cdrom or anything else
[08:46] <Pumpernickel> You can't go directly from Dapper to Feisty - there's no direct upgrade path.
[08:46] <tyler446> I don't want to upgrade I just want a feisty install though
[08:46] <Pumpernickel> You'll have to upgrade to Edgy, then to Feisty, for it to work.
[08:47] <Pumpernickel> Fresh install?
[08:47] <tyler446> can't I soem how fdisk everything except config files then shove feisty stuff down?
[08:47] <tyler446> my cd doesn't boot, debian floppies don't work, usb is 1.0
[08:48] <Chikubu> can u put the drive in another machine,  or temp borrow a cd that works from another machine?
[08:48] <tyler446> nope its a laptop so different hard drive I suppose
[08:49] <tyler446> and can't borrow a cd that works
[08:50] <Chikubu> does bios have boot from network option
[08:50] <tyler446> no more debian floppies
[08:51] <tyler446> I had to use instlux to get ubuntu 6.06 on here currently
[08:52] <tyler446> and so far it runs great except the fact I prefer xfce and its very old
[08:53] <tyler446> ablomen: ah sup ablo
[08:54] <ablomen> hey tyler446, nm mutch, work day just started. how bout you?
[08:54] <tyler446> ah fine just got ubuntu 6.06 going and trying to get xubuntu 7.04, I feel sorry for last owner of this laptop
[08:54] <ablomen> heh why's that?
[08:55] <tyler446> it has 12 different boot options but no method to install linux except over network card
[08:55] <ablomen> hmm weird stuff
[08:55] <tyler446> yeah how your virtualbox stuff going?
[08:55] <tyler446> oh that right you use vmware at work
[08:56] <ablomen> heh good good, not having to use it much lately :) (so no windows stuff \o/ )
[12:45] <Ramon> hello.. maybe i can get some assistance here :)
[12:45] <Ramon> Im trying to install xubuntu alt
[12:45] <Ramon> en when it gets to 20% of the base installation it gives me an error.. "the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)
[12:45] <Ramon> what should I do?
[12:47] <Ramon> and when i go to console 4 it says :  base-installer error: exiting on error base-installer/debootstrap-failed.. then main menu 2049 configuring base-installer failed with error code 1 then on the other line main-menu Warning: menu item base-installer failed
[12:47] <ablomen> Ramon, you could try downloading the alternate install cd
[12:48] <Ramon> thats the one I downloaded and the one im installing right now
[12:48] <ablomen> ah
[12:48] <ablomen> hmm then i dunno, sorry
[12:49] <Ramon> ok
[12:56] <J-_> is there a xubuntu core I can download?
[12:58] <Ramon> anyone here?
[12:59] <J-_> !info xfce
[12:59] <ubotu> Package xfce does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:59] <J-_> !xfce
[12:59] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[12:59] <Ramon> Im trying to install xubuntu and when it gets to 20% of the base installation it gives me an error "the bootstrap program exited with an error"
[01:00] <Ramon> and when i go to the console 4, it says: debootstrap: tar:
[01:00] <Ramon> invalid tar magic
[01:01] <Ramon> i've been trying to install ubuntu, xubuntu, debian, dsl, puppy linux :S i don't know what else to do...
[01:01] <Ramon> what can I do?
[01:01] <J-_> are you installing from cd?
[01:01] <Ramon> yeah
[01:02] <Ramon> from the alternate install cd
[01:03] <Ramon> ...?
[01:03] <J-_> never heard of that problem before. did you make sure there were no errors on the cd, and the md5checksum?
[01:03] <Ramon> yeah...
[01:03] <J-_> no clue dude, I need help as well hehe
[01:03] <Ramon> its frustrating
[01:03] <Ramon> :(
[01:03] <J-_> !info xubuntu-base
[01:03] <ubotu> Package xubuntu-base does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:03] <J-_> !info base
[01:04] <ubotu> Package base does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:04] <J-_> !info core
[01:04] <ubotu> Package core does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:04] <J-_> !find base
[01:04] <ubotu> Found: alsa-base, base-files, base-passwd, desktop-base, doc-base (and 545 others)
[01:04] <J-_> !find xubuntu-base
[01:05] <ubotu> Package/file xubuntu-base does not exist in feisty
[01:05] <J-_> grr
[01:07] <Pumpernickel> Dude... just privmsg the bot.
[01:07] <J-_> !find xfce-core
[01:07] <ubotu> Package/file xfce-core does not exist in feisty
[01:07] <Pumpernickel> There's no need to have that in the main channel.
[01:08] <J-_> heh
[01:08] <J-_> BTW, can you help me?
[01:09] <J-_> guess not
[01:09] <Pumpernickel> You didn't even ask, yet.
[01:09] <J-_> no?
[01:09] <Pumpernickel> Well, not a real question.
[01:09] <J-_> heh
[01:10] <J-_> I'll repeat myself. Is there a xfce core I can download rather than downloading the xubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[01:11] <J-_> Or is xfce the core package?
[01:12] <Pumpernickel> Of sorts, yes.  There's xfce4, which brings in the basic Xfce setup.  There are artwork metapackages, documentation metapackages, and so forth.
[01:13] <J-_> Thanks, I guess I'll install xfce4 then.
[01:13] <J-_> !info xfce4 > J-_
[01:14] <J-_> what will be installed xfce4 install, since it is a metapackage in itself? can it get anymore basic than that?
[01:16] <J-_> If only I could make sense hehe
[01:16] <Pumpernickel> A bit, but not much.  You can see what it provides here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/x11/xfce4
[01:16] <J-_> thanks
[01:17] <J-_> there's a dapper xfce4 installation too, right?
[01:18] <Pumpernickel> Yeah.
[01:19] <J-_> @lart J-_ for spamming the channel
[01:19] <J-_> =\
[01:19] <k-os> where can i find .deb packages for sunbird? any ideas?
[01:21] <J-_> possibly getdeb, but any deb from there can, no doubt, break your system.
[01:21] <k-os> k, will try with caution
[01:49] <DaBeowulf> Does an audio recorder come with Xubuntu or what is a nice lightweight one to record stuff with and save it as an ogg?
[01:49] <DaBeowulf> !info record
[01:49] <ubotu> Package record does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:50] <DaBeowulf> !info arecord
[01:50] <ubotu> Package arecord does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:10] <azi`> i've just fixed my monitor settings BUT each TIME i REBOOT i have to manually run /etc/init.d/915resolution start .. even if i add that to the rc.d startup
[02:11] <Ramon> ls
[02:11] <Ramon> hello?
[02:11] <Ramon> i need some assistance.. there's no way i can install a debian based distro on my pc
[02:19] <J-_> How can I run a prgram from the menu with root privs?
[02:22] <kalikiana> J-_, Use 'gksu whatever' as the command
[03:12] <bytor4232> So what other differences are there between Ubuntu and Xubuntu other than XFCE and Thunderbird replacing GNOME?
[03:12] <homebrewcider> hi, I'm trying to install a few packages, but I keep getting an error, "c compiler cannot create executables"
[03:13] <homebrewcider> "checking whether the c compiler works...no"
[03:13] <bytor4232> homebrewcider: Looks to me like the development tools aren't installed, perhaps?
[03:14] <homebrewcider> says gcc is already the newest version if that helps
[03:15] <bytor4232> homebrewcider: Not on my end.  Did you try google?
[03:29] <homebrewcider> build-essential was hthepackageI needed
[03:29] <homebrewcider> the package I neede
[04:30] <nikolam> hello
[04:31] <illu45> hi
[04:33] <nikolam> hello to all
[04:33] <maxamillion> hello nikolam
[04:34] <nikolam> Didi anyone of you had problems with 2.6.20-16? I had to go back to 2.6.20-15 in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:34] <maxamillion> nikolam: yes, i did ... i am working on a solution right now
[04:34] <maxamillion> nikolam: my computer wouldn't boot into 2.6.20-16
[04:36] <illu45> I only had trouble on the first boot, runs all right now
[04:36] <nikolam> After going back to -15 x freezes much less :) (matrox mga g400) :)
[04:36] <maxamillion> illu45: what happened on the first boot? .... mine started to boot and then my whole machine shut down as soon as the usplash showed up
[04:37] <illu45> maxamillion, x failed to start
[04:37] <maxamillion> illu45: oh ... yeah, that's probably just something to do with your X drivers and some kernel headers that weren't properly detected ... my issue seems a little worse
[04:38] <illu45> speaking of which, I need to clean up my menu.lst
[04:38] <maxamillion> illu45: lol, yeah ... mine still has dapper kernels listed on it :P
[04:38] <maxamillion> illu45: this machine has been through alot of upgrades
[04:38] <nikolam> Also no solution for processor-hungry gam_server even after /etc/gamin/gaminrc settings fsset ext3 15. it seems that gam_server is going crazy after every hidden directories displayed in Thunar
[04:38] <illu45> maxamillion, ah, hehe
[04:39] <k-os> join #ROX
[04:39] <maxamillion> k-os: why?
[04:39] <nikolam> mga didtnt work on 6.10. On 7.03 2.6.20-15 works.
[04:39] <k-os> maxamillion, typo
[04:40] <maxamillion> lol
[04:40] <maxamillion> k
[04:40] <illu45> nikolam, geez, that sounds like a pain
[04:40] <nikolam> Now it works :) Hey :)
[04:40] <nikolam> I am happily killing gam_server and.. :))
[04:41] <nikolam> over and over.. :)
[04:41] <maxamillion> i have to run to a meeting
[04:41] <maxamillion> bbl
[04:41] <illu45> ok
[04:41] <nikolam> Cul8r
[04:41] <k-os> why can't the nm-applet stay amd run within the system tray?
[04:42] <k-os> the update notifier is not in the tray either, how can i make it appear there?
[04:42] <nikolam> What is it for: nm-applet
[04:42] <k-os> network manager
[04:43] <nikolam> I just installed it here, just a sec.
[04:44] <Thirdy_Slipknot> help
[04:44] <Thirdy_Slipknot> You need to be identified to join that channel
[04:44] <Thirdy_Slipknot> noob in irc
[04:44] <nikolam> Here it works ok 7.03, binded to ppp0,
[04:44] <illu45> k-os, ALT+F2-> update-manager
[04:45] <k-os> illu45, will it stay and stick to the sys tray whenever there are updates ready?
[04:45] <illu45> k-os, it should, yes
[04:45] <illu45> You can use system monitor to make sure that its running in the bg
[04:45] <nikolam> I maked it do security updates on its own.
[04:48] <k-os> illu45, so from now on, the update manager will notify me from the tray whenever there are updates?
[04:48] <illu45> Yep, it should
[04:48] <k-os> ok, we'll see
[04:48] <k-os> now, about the nm-applet?
[04:49] <nikolam> Didi you specify what network interface nm-applet should watch?
[04:49] <k-os> how do i do so?
[04:50] <nikolam> Right click> Settings
[04:51] <k-os> nikolam, there is no shuch option
[04:51] <k-os> i gotta start it from the terminal if i want it in my sys tray
[04:51] <nikolam> hmpf, need to restart x cu in a minute
[05:04] <nikolam> hello again
[05:04] <neozen> hi
[05:05] <neozen> ignore me... just poking at xchat this morning
[05:05] <illu45> hehe
[05:06] <nikolam> does using xdm reely saves much memory over gdm ? (good morning :)
[05:09] <lousygarua> hello, anyone knows how do i share my desktop on xfce, as i do with ubuntu's gnome?
[05:10] <nikolam> Didi anyone managed to compile/install xfce4-places-plugin-0.3.0 xfce panel plug-in?
[05:10] <illu45> lousygarua, what do you mean by "share your desktop"? As in Remote Access?
[05:10] <lousygarua> illu45: yeah, it uses vnc, but i don't want the vnc to be a differnet server. i want to display my own desktop (inside lan)
[05:11] <nikolam> mmm Just like win XP remote desktop?
[05:11] <illu45> lousygarua, ah, not sure. I never tried the Remote desktop stuff, sorry
[05:12] <lousygarua> illu4: nikolam: different X server that is. like XP remote desktop
[05:12] <neozen> ah.... its alive
[05:12] <neozen> so how's the crowd today?
[05:13] <neozen> nikolam: me too
[05:13] <neozen> pounding on xchat just doesn't seem to be as much fun as it used to be
[05:15] <nikolam> :) Lets try to figure out illu45`s problem. He/she wants to display remotely X session that is in progres on remote computer
[05:15] <nikolam> So that it is not new session, just continued X session
[05:16] <illu45> Huh? *wasn't aware he had a problem*
[05:16] <illu45> :P
[05:16] <nikolam> lol,  de de :)
[05:17] <nikolam> Like remote desktop
[05:17] <illu45> What I would like to do, though, is get irc through shell, so that I don't have to restart XChat every time I reboot x
[05:17] <nikolam> I thought that vnc shoul do that
[05:17] <nikolam> Hmmm, use Screen :)
[05:18] <nikolam> screen run as deamon i suppose
[05:18] <nikolam> attach, detach and stuff :)
[05:18] <illu45> Hm, all right, I'll take a look at it, thanks :)
[05:19] <nikolam> Np happy to be usefull
[05:19] <illu45> Erm, do you have a URL for that by any chance? Searching 'screen' on Google isn't particularly narrow :P
[05:19] <neozen> yay screen!
[05:20] <neozen> illu45: I'll have urls for you in a bit
[05:20] <illu45> all right, thanks :)
[05:21] <neozen> illu45: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[05:21] <neozen> illu45: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935
[05:21] <nikolam> search for screen in synaptic :)
[05:21] <neozen> illu45: http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/screen/screen_toc.html
[05:21] <nikolam> and install
[05:21] <neozen> someone was telling me recently about an xscreen
[05:22] <illu45> neozen, ah, ok
[05:22] <neozen> I can only imagine the purpose
[05:22] <nikolam> relly.. got to look at that
[05:22] <neozen> as I haven't been able to locate
[05:22] <neozen> (haven't really taken the time)
[05:22] <neozen> as I do most of my remote work in the terminal
[05:23] <nikolam> sudo apt-get install screen
[05:24] <nikolam> i suppose
[05:27] <nikolam> and then you can make screen run (in system>services)
[05:28] <illu45> *nods* Have it running, now :), getting irssi set up
[05:28] <illu45`> ...and here I am :)
[05:28] <nikolam> :))
[05:29] <nikolam> Have anyone use XFCE 4.4.1?  On 7.04 default is 4.4.0 What1s new on 4.4.1? :)
[05:30] <TheSheep> nikolam: http://www.xfce.org/documentation/changelogs/4.4.1
[05:30] <illu45`> "2
[05:30] <illu45`> oops
[05:30] <illu45`> hehe
[05:31] <nikolam> sorry, :) I thought about some human expiriences
[05:31] <TheSheep> nikolam: nope, only bugfixes
[05:31] <nikolam> :)
[05:32] <nikolam> So I should upgrade even if 7.04 still have 4.4.0 as default?
[05:33] <nikolam> What do you think, should I select fiersty pre-released updates (fiersty-proposed) for update or not?
[05:36] <nikolam> Should I update to pre-released 7.10 to get xfce 4.4.1 or manually , to compile?
[05:36] <j1mc> hi all . . .
[05:36] <nikolam> hi
[05:36] <nikolam> Do you run xubunutu? :)
[05:36] <illu45`> nikolam: hm, not sure. Depends on how much you want to play around with 7.10, I suppose
[05:36] <j1mc> nikolam: we are testing for Xubuntu Gutsy Gibbon tribe 2's release if you'd like to try that: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2007-June/003712.html
[05:37] <nikolam> Will be happy to help.
[05:37] <j1mc> we have 47 people signed up as xubuntu testing members on launchpad.  we need a few more test reports for this milestone release, though.
[05:38] <j1mc> thanks, nikolam.  :)
[05:38] <nikolam> Just need someone to guve me a clue how to make fast backup of current setup now.
[05:38] <j1mc> nikolam: what's your current hardware setup like?
[05:39] <illu45`> j1mc: Do you have a link to the Tribe2 .iso/torrent, by any chance?
[05:39] <nikolam> P3-733, 384Mb, SCSI HD 18G and one 16G ide where I work now
[05:39] <nikolam> Wait a second! I have one clean 4Gig scsi slower drive
[05:39] <nikolam> Perfect for testing.. I will do it :)
[05:40] <illu45`> nikolam: you have a 4GB drive?
[05:40] <j1mc> nikolam: see this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/Procedures
[05:40] <nikolam> Yes, perfect for test
[05:40] <j1mc> it has all of the information on testing, as well as links to download the latest images.
[05:41] <j1mc> nikolam: that sounds awesome.  :)
[05:41] <nikolam> Shoul I get Alternate or boot, ubuntu or Xubuntu
[05:41] <nikolam> I think I should get alternate xubuntu
[05:41] <illu45`> xubuntu, of course! :D
[05:41] <j1mc> feel free to test the alternate or live CD of Xubuntu.
[05:42] <j1mc> alternate cd is a text-based installer.
[05:42] <nikolam> Ok, going to download iso, right :)
[05:42] <j1mc> w00t :)
[05:42] <nikolam> ok, so http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/gutsy-alternate-i386.iso is right one?
[05:43] <j1mc> nikolam: yes  :)
[05:43] <nikolam> downloading.. :)
[05:43] <j1mc> illu45' thanks! .... thanks to both of you.
[05:44] <j1mc> be sure to read the "reporting your results" page for info on how to do that
[05:44] <j1mc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/ReportingResults
[05:45] <illu45> oops
[05:46] <illu45> j1mc: can you give me that URL again?
[05:46] <nikolam> I will. added to bookmarks :)
[05:47] <illu45> Is this it? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community
[05:47] <j1mc> illu45: that's the start page, yeah.
[05:47] <j1mc> you can get all of the information from there, and from the pages under it.
[05:48] <illu45> Ah, all right, thanks :)
[05:48] <j1mc> yw  :)
[06:02] <neozen> maxamillion: salu!
[06:02] <maxamillion> hiya neozen
[06:03] <maxamillion> bah! ... brb
[06:04] <nikolam> hi
[06:08] <maxamillion> annnd back
[06:08] <Jester45> nikolam, said hi
[06:08] <nikolam> :)
[06:08] <maxamillion> hiya nikolam :)
[06:09] <maxamillion> Jester45: do you by any chance know if Firefox is written in GTK?
[06:09] <nikolam> Ok, guys, I am becoming teter thanks to j1mc But got to go Eat something while ISO is downloading.
[06:10] <nikolam> tester :)
[06:10] <maxamillion> i've never thought it was but it just occured to me that it seems to change with my gtk theme (which would make me assume it is)
[06:10] <j1mc> hehe... get some food, nikolam   thanks for your help!
[06:10] <Jester45> its displays via gtk but its written in python or perl i think
[06:10] <nikolam> Ok, Cu :)
[06:10] <maxamillion> nikolam: we thank you for your help
[06:10] <nikolam> CU in 9 hours or so after dwnld.
[06:10] <maxamillion> Jester45: firefox isn't written in python or perl ... i coulda sworn it was written in C
[06:10] <nikolam> :)
[06:10] <Jester45> maxamillion, if you comile it you can make it use gtk 1
[06:11] <j1mc> maxamillion: i think firefox uses xul or something.  ??  i don't think it's gtk.  gtk is not cross platform, correct?
[06:12] <maxamillion> j1mc: gtk is cross platform
[06:12] <maxamillion> j1mc: how do you think they have theGimp and gaim/pidgin for windows :P
[06:12] <Jester45> firefox uses gtk... when you compile you can pass a flag to make it gtk 1 and not 2
[06:12] <maxamillion> Jester45: ah, ok
[06:12] <j1mc> XML User Interface Language - XUL...
[06:13] <j1mc> maxamillion: :)  windows is really based on linux??  hehe
[06:13] <j1mc> that must be how they do it . . .
[06:13] <j1mc> secretly...
[06:14] <maxamillion> j1mc: no, it can't be ... it crashes too often
[06:14] <illu45> hehe
[06:14] <j1mc> :)
[06:15] <Jester45> Firefox's user interface is written in XUL and JavaScript.
[06:17] <maxamillion> good to know
[07:00] <reign> Ol, algum do canal fala portugus?
[07:01] <Pumpernickel> !br
[07:01] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[07:02] <reign> minha pergunta  estritamente relacionada ao xfce e o xubuntu
[07:03] <reign> my question is strictly relationed with XFCE and xubuntu
[07:03] <TheSheep> reign: the local channels are for all flavors of ubuntu
[07:04] <reign> someone of you probably can help me
[07:04] <TheSheep> reign: just ask your question :)
[07:05] <reign> I've installed xubuntu-desktop. when I logged in XFCE, they still use metacity and some preference option doesn't work
[07:06] <Artemis3> i have a problem starting the livecd with an acer travelmate 527TXV BusyBox fails and casper.log shows /cdrom failed help?
[07:06] <TheSheep> reign: did you select xfce as your session?
[07:06] <reign> I did
[07:07] <reign> why it won't uses xfwm by default
[07:07] <reign> ?
[07:07] <TheSheep> reign: it does, at least it should
[07:08] <TheSheep> reign: did you change something in the session startup? like trying to use beryl or compiz or something?
[07:08] <reign> and XFCE still load the application I setted to start with gnome (compiz-tray-icon, glipper, etc...)
[07:08] <reign> hm
[07:08] <TheSheep> reign: how do you know it's xfce?
[07:09] <reign> xfpanel, xfdesktop
[07:09] <reign> I just selected XFCE session in gdm
[07:09] <TheSheep> reign: ok, go to settings->autostarted applications and see if you don't have some compiz-related things in there
[07:10] <reign> I gone there, nothing about compiz or beryl managers
[07:10] <TheSheep> reign: did you edit any session startup-related files?
[07:11] <TheSheep> to gte compiz working
[07:11] <reign> TheSheep, I'll log in Gnome and disable all startup application, I'll back soon
[07:11] <reign> TheSheep, probably
[07:11] <reign> I don't remember
[07:11] <TheSheep> some tutorials are pretty gnome-centric and they don't care if they break other sessions
[07:12] <reign> let me going into gnome and disable startup stuff
[07:28] <reign> TheSheep, I'm back
[07:28] <reign> resign!
[07:29] <reign> stop's beryl from start make, metacity stop starts
[07:29] <reign> but, xfwm4 don't start in it place
[07:35] <TheSheep> hmm... you could try adding it to autostarted applications, but that's a hack
[08:04] <davmor2> hi guys how do I enable a wpa wireless network?
[08:05] <maxamillion> !wpa | davmor2
[08:06] <ubotu> davmor2: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:07] <luisbg> is there somewhere I can get the complete list of packages included in the xubuntu install cd?
[08:10] <davmor2> luisbg: yes take a look at the manifest on the download server.
[08:11] <luisbg> davmor2, link?
[08:11] <Jester45> luisbg, live or alternative
[08:11] <luisbg> Jester45, both
[08:12] <davmor2> luisbg: what version are you using?
[08:12] <luisbg> davmor2, feisty
[08:12] <davmor2> hang on a minute
[08:14] <davmor2> luisbg: http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/7.04/release/  look down the list it is the one ending in manifest
[08:15] <davmor2> full link for i386 is http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/7.04/release/xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.manifest
[08:16] <davmor2> luisbg: is that what you after?
[08:17] <davmor2> by the way thanks maxamillion
[08:17] <luisbg> davmor2, yes
[08:17] <davmor2> great
[08:17] <davmor2> bye for now
[08:33] <Jester45> is pearl installed by defualt
[08:33] <Jester45> !pearl
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pearl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <j1mc> !perl
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about perl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <Jester45> im spelling it wrong ?
[08:34] <Jester45> stupid me
[08:34] <j1mc> Jester45: you mean perl, the programming language, right?  mostly used for scripting?
[08:34] <j1mc> yes, it's installed by default.  at least when i check here: http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/7.04/release/xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.manifest
[08:34] <Jester45> yep
[08:34] <Jester45> k
[08:35] <j1mc> i see perl, perl-base, perl-modules...
[08:58] <kafran> hello guys :D I just finished Xubuntu installation. why somethings in xfce is in english and not in my language?
[09:00] <TheSheep> kafran: nobody translated them
[09:00] <TheSheep> !translation
[09:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about translation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:00] <TheSheep> !translate
[09:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about translate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:00] <TheSheep> !rosetta
[09:00] <ubotu> rosetta is a Web-based system for translating open source software into any language.  See https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+about
[09:00] <TheSheep> kafran: you can help translating if you have time
[09:22] <kafran> TheSheep: hmmm
[09:22] <kafran> TheSheep: where I translate xfce?
[09:23] <kafran> TheSheep: my FF is in english too ;/
[09:25] <TheSheep> kafran: first go to system->language support and make sure you have all the packages for your language installed
[09:25] <TheSheep> kafran: you can transalte at that link ubotu gave you
[09:30] <kafran> TheSheep: and if i help translating with rosetta, it will be available for every ubuntu user?
[09:40] <TheSheep> kafran: yes
[09:43] <kafran> TheSheep: hmmm, interesting
[09:44] <kafran> TheSheep: yeh, u're right, i need to install some language support ;)
[09:45] <kafran> TheSheep: I'm downloading my language support package ;)
[09:57] <kafran> TheSheep: Xubuntu use some gnome service?
[09:57] <maxamillion> kafran: yes, xubuntu uses some gnome libs but only a few ... its is mostly gnome-free
[09:58] <kafran> maxamillion: hmm, oki thx ;)
[09:58] <kafran> maxamillion: its because the xfce painels are like gnome painels
[09:59] <maxamillion> kafran: oh no
[10:00] <maxamillion> kafran: the xfce panels don't require any gnome libs, that is xfce specific but does have full gnome-plugin support
[10:02] <kafran> why Xubuntu does not comes with openoffice?
[10:03] <zials> probably because its aim is to be lightweight
[10:03] <maxamillion> kafran: openoffice is a heavy application and xubuntu aims to be light on resources
[10:04] <maxamillion> kafran: abiword and gnumeric are put in its place, but you can install openoffice for yourself
[10:04] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: not coming to the meeting?
[10:05] <Jester45> there is openoffice-writer
[10:05] <Jester45> !meeting
[10:05] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:06] <Jester45> hyper_ch, is it going on now/
[10:06] <Jester45> ?
[10:06] <hyper_ch> Jester45: yes
[10:06] <Jester45> whoes it for?
[10:06] <Jester45> aa
[10:06] <Jester45> xubuntu
[10:07] <zials> uhrm... how do I install new fonts? (I'm guessing it should be /usr/share/fonts/truetype ... but not sure)
[10:10] <hyper_ch> zials: it's somewhere else I tend to think
[10:11] <zials> I was expecting it to be somewhere in the home folder...
[10:11] <hyper_ch> zials: I think in the home folder it's only for the current user
[10:11] <cellofellow> what?
[10:11] <cellofellow> what is?
[10:11] <hyper_ch> and in /usr/share/fonts it could be for all users
[10:11] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: adding fonts
[10:11] <cellofellow> ~/.fonts I think for only you
[10:12] <cellofellow> and /usr/share/fonts for whole system
[10:12] <Jester45> cellofellow, <zials> uhrm... how do I install new fonts? (I'm guessing it should be /usr/share/fonts/truetype ... but not sure)
[10:12] <TheSheep> Jester45: put them in ~/.fonts and run fc-cache
[10:13] <zials> so its the same thing as doing it in ubuntu then... ahh, thats what I needed to know
[10:13] <cellofellow> Ubuntu probably has some graphical way of doing it though. I know Kubuntu does.
[10:13] <Jester45> TheSheep, i wasnt asking the question i was showing cellofellow what the person asked
[10:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what meeting?
[10:14] <hyper_ch> xubuntu devel meeting (I think) #ubuntu-meeting
[10:14] <Jester45> its xubuntu devel meeting
[10:15] <kafran> someone here have aDesklets installed?
[10:15] <Jester45> i used it
[10:15] <cellofellow> I have once.
[10:15] <Jester45> to*
[10:15] <kafran> and u both dont liked it?
[10:15] <hyper_ch> I have it installed
[10:15] <cellofellow> I did, I just got tired of it. Haven't bother with it since I reinstalled.
[10:15] <kafran> \o/
[10:16] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'm not a dev
[10:16] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: neither am I :)
[10:16] <hyper_ch> but you could give some input
[10:16] <cellofellow> (easiest way to install Desklets in aDesklets is to download them from the sf.net site.)
[10:16] <kafran> hyper_ch: and how u installed? compile or package?
[10:16] <Jester45> nor am i
[10:16] <hyper_ch> kafran: package
[10:16] <hyper_ch> kafran: don't compile if you don't need to
[10:17] <kafran> hyper_ch: I tryed it on ubuntu, but unsucessfully, I always get an error in python :S
[10:17] <hyper_ch> adesklets aren't for ubuntu...
[10:17] <kafran> hyper_ch: I will try to install again, now in xubuntu
[10:18] <kafran> hmm, I dont knew
[10:18] <cellofellow> ubuntu likes gdesklets better, and kubuntu superkaramba
[10:19] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: my mom is happy about the translator :)
[10:19] <cellofellow> translator?
[10:20] <hyper_ch> the translation desklet
[10:20] <cellofellow> oh ok
[10:22] <hyper_ch> *smile*
[10:23] <kafran> Xfbunner does not have DVD Support?
[10:24] <zials> I didn't find any
[10:24] <Jester45> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1617455&Sku=L23-7074
[10:24] <Jester45> im gonna get this
[10:24] <Jester45> its a must have :)
[10:24] <hyper_ch> zials: seems it hasn't dvd support
[10:25] <Jester45> i could probably play 2 or 3 more games with the hotkeys
[10:26] <kafran> hyper_ch: which cd/dvd bunner u recomend for xubuntu?
[10:26] <hyper_ch> kafran: depends on your system
[10:26] <kafran> hyper_ch: hardware?
[10:27] <hyper_ch> kafran: yes... I like k3b the best but it loads all those KDE appz
[10:28] <zials> I use Brasero...
[10:29] <Jester45> gnomebaker here
[10:30] <Jester45> aynone know how i could make the computer output the old typewriter sounds when typing?
[10:31] <hyper_ch> get an old cherry keyboard that does the "clicks"
[10:32] <kafran> someone know where may I learn how to customize my xfce? ^^
[10:33] <Jester45> kafran, what do you mean by customizing
[10:34] <TheSheep> kafran: xfce.org
[10:34] <TheSheep> kafran: xfce-look.org
[10:36] <kafran> Jester45: theme, painels, etc..
[10:36] <Jester45> look at what TheSheep said
[10:37] <kafran> ;)
[10:37] <kafran> restart for upgrade, i will be back..
[10:37] <Jester45> and you can look at settings -> settings manager -> user inergace
[10:37] <Jester45> windowmanager window manager tweaks
[10:56] <nikolam> hello
[10:56] <zials> hi
[10:57] <nikolam> care for some talk on xubuntu?
[10:57] <zials> sure
[10:57] <nikolam> I get many applications frozen/unresponsive when I start Synaptic. Not always, but very often
[10:58] <nikolam> Windows manager around them works but applications just stoped. Some of them can be shuted with term but most i need to kill
[10:58] <nikolam> Its Seamonkey and Xine and more of them
[10:59] <nikolam> Sometimes Synaptic works fine and applications too, but when I start update at the same time, application frozen
[11:01] <saint-takeshi> i'm having trouble getting a) dual-head & b) 3d accellaration working with my radeon card (Radeon 9250, 128mb AGP, -rv280, i think)
[11:02] <nikolam> Are you using restricted drivers?
[11:03] <maxamillion> !ati | saint-takeshi
[11:03] <ubotu> saint-takeshi: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:03] <Ramon> I need some assistance installing ubuntu... I don't know whats happening but i've been trying debian, and debian based distros like kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-lite etc... and all of them are giving me "debootstrap" errors when doing the "base installation"
[11:04] <nikolam> What version are you installing? 7.04?
[11:04] <Ramon> yeah
[11:04] <Ramon> but no go
[11:05] <saint-takeshi> maxamillion: no, i don't want the binary driver, the open one's actually better for my card
[11:05] <maxamillion> saint-takeshi: the open source "ati" driver is not capable of dual-head or 3d accelleration
[11:05] <Ramon> nikoalm: any ideas?
[11:06] <saint-takeshi> but the "radeon" one should be, afaik. it worked under debian.
[11:07] <maxamillion> saint-takeshi: oh yeah ... that one
[11:07] <maxamillion> forgot about that one
[11:07] <maxamillion> saint-takeshi: not sure, i have very little experience with ati cards .... i only buy nvidia because they have better linux support
[11:07] <saint-takeshi> i think i just need to add something to my xorg.conf, but i'm not sure what...
[11:08] <Ramon> so nobody can help?
[11:08] <nikolam> Didi you try "ATI Driver Installer" from ati.amd.com?
[11:08] <saint-takeshi> yeah, i would've bought a geforce, but the driver hassle slipped my mind, and it was about 4 cheaper for the Radeon
[11:08] <Ramon> I need some assistance installing ubuntu... I don't know whats happening but i've been trying debian, and debian based distros like kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-lite etc... and all of them are giving me "debootstrap" errors when doing the "base installation"
[11:09] <nikolam> Ramon: Try installing with Alternate CD for your distribution. My help
[11:09] <Ramon> nikoalm.. thats what I did
[11:09] <Ramon> tried netinst and alternates
[11:11] <hyper_ch> Ramon: how about live error?
[11:11] <hyper_ch> Ramon: live cd ^^
[11:11] <Ramon> tried them and they work fine
[11:11] <hyper_ch> Ramon: and the install then won't?
[11:11] <nikolam> Takeshi: What driver is stated under xorg.conf? Driver " .. ?... "
[11:11] <Ramon> yup
[11:11] <Ramon> cannot install it.
[11:12] <Ramon> hyper_ch: it gives me a debootstrap error when it is installing the "base system"
[11:12] <Ramon> hyper_ch: it happened with kubuntu, xubuntu, debian, etc
[11:12] <hyper_ch> Ram
[11:12] <Ramon> hyper_ch: all of them latest releases
[11:12] <hyper_ch> Ramon: also with debian?
[11:12] <Ramon> hyper_ch: 128 ram
[11:12] <nikolam> Didi you cheked .iso you downloaded with md5sum?
[11:12] <Ramon> yeah, also with debian
[11:12] <Ramon> yeah did it
[11:12] <Ramon> everything was fine :S:(
[11:13] <nikolam> Did you tested your memory?
[11:13] <hyper_ch> Ramon: well, if no debian based install works then you have a serious issue with compatibility or something
[11:13] <nikolam> What OS IS working on that machine before Install?
[11:13] <Ramon> window$ hahahahahhaa
[11:14] <Ramon> it is a pentium 3 500mhz with 128 ram
[11:14] <Ramon> windows 98 was there
[11:14] <saint-takeshi> Ramon: is it by any chance a Dell, or other pre-built machine?
[11:14] <Ramon> no.. i don't have any other computer to try
[11:14] <Ramon> just this one but i cannot install anything here
[11:14] <hyper_ch> Ramon: hmmm, have you tried DSL (DamnSmallLInux) yet?
[11:14] <Ramon> and the one with the issues
[11:15] <Ramon> yeah but it stays and does nothing
[11:15] <hyper_ch> it is somewhat weird that you can run the live cd but not install it...
[11:15] <Ramon> it just shows the logo and doesnt show me anything after i try to install it
[11:15] <nikolam> In what occasion during setup that message appeares? Did you partition your hard drive?
[11:15] <Ramon> yeah... everything fine
[11:15] <Ramon> it happens when its trying to instal the base system
[11:17] <hyper_ch> Ramon: can't really help you there :(
[11:17] <nikolam> Some older motherboards Needs to have /boot above first 1 GB of the drive. if that is the trouble, than only solution is to make one small exr2 partition (around 100 megs or so) as the first primary active partition and to moun it to /boot during setup.
[11:17] <Ramon> :(...
[11:17] <Ramon> ill try that :)
[11:17] <nikolam> I also have P3 here :)
[11:17] <Ramon> ill do it right now :)
[11:17] <Ramon> THANKS NIKOLAM
[11:17] <Ramon> thanks everyone..
[11:17] <Ramon> ill try that right now
[11:18] <nikolam> And I Always have sda1 od hda1 as ext2 even if I dont have linux present :)
[11:18] <nikolam> NP :)
[11:18] <Ramon> :P
[11:21] <saint-takeshi> so i'm better off using the prop. drivers?
[11:21] <saint-takeshi> that's the opposite of what everyone in #debian used to tell me when i ran debian...
[11:22] <nikolam> I dont know, I suppose.
[11:22] <nikolam> Download from amd and try
[11:22] <nikolam> And check what driver is stated uder Driver in xorg.conf
[11:23] <nikolam> I am not a expert , sorry
[11:23] <saint-takeshi> it's all good. when i'm not violently poor, i'll buy a geforce card and put this radeon in my wife's windows machine.
[11:23] <kafran> how to install xfce theme? :
[11:23] <kafran> :D
[11:24] <Ramon> apt-get install xfce
[11:24] <nikolam> Theme :)
[11:24] <kafran> /usr/share/themes or ~/.themes ??
[11:24] <nikolam> I think I  saw on listed thems on theme site, 2 explanations about that :)
[11:25] <nikolam> Whan you realise how, tell me. :)
[11:26] <saint-takeshi> ./ati-installer.sh: 165: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[11:26] <saint-takeshi> that's what happens when i try to run the ati binary
[11:26] <kafran> nikolam: oki ^^
[11:26] <nikolam> The 52Mb one?
[11:27] <nikolam> takeshi: what version of xubuntu?
[11:28] <saint-takeshi> uhmm...the latest stable one, i think
[11:28] <nikolam> This one?: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[11:29] <kafran> nikolam: just unpack/unzip the theme on ~/.themes folder ;) and choose the theme on User Interface Config
[11:29] <nikolam> Yeaaah :)
[11:29] <nikolam> Nice thanks
[11:29] <kafran> nikolam: I think for icons is: ~/.icons, I will test
[11:29] <nikolam> hmm ok :)
[11:30] <nikolam> I am looking for that explanation on xfce-look.org.
[11:30] <saint-takeshi> yeah, that one, i think....i'm downloading the one you linked, just incase i screwed up somehow, but it verified the archive okay, then lots of dots, then the error i pasted before
[11:31] <nikolam> I hope the best for you. I reely dont have Ati.
[11:32] <jtg23_> hey all i give up
[11:32] <servaas-xubuntu-> ?
[11:32] <jtg23_> i tried xubuntu 6.06, 6.1, 7.04 and none of them work with either my linksys broadcom card OR my airlink zd1211 card i bought becuase it said it worked out fo the box
[11:33] <jtg23_> the airlink works with ubuntu but the gnome front-end is too heavy of lifting
[11:33] <nikolam> hmm, did you figure out what chips are inside?
[11:33] <hyper_ch> jtg23_: well, broadcom sux :)
[11:33] <kafran> nikolam: do u know some nice xfce theme?
[11:33] <jtg23_> hyper_ch i even used fwcutter
[11:33] <nikolam> i am just novice :) Sorry
[11:33] <jtg23_> this is ridiculous that none of these work
[11:34] <hyper_ch> jtg23_: my card just works out of the box and I'm happy with it :)
[11:34] <jtg23_> whihc card?
[11:34] <servaas-xubuntu-> what have you tried so far to get it work
[11:35] <jtg23_> i have tried fwcutter for the broadcom on 6.06 and 7.04 and i installed network manager gnome on for the airlink card to no avail
[11:35] <jtg23_> i recompiled the kernel following the instructions from howtoforge to get a new kernel 2.6.20 instead of 2.6.15 because the airlink works with ubuntu 6.06 which is 2.6.18
[11:35] <servaas-xubuntu-> followed teh xubuntu meeting at #ubuntu-meeting anyone ?
[11:36] <jtg23_> but those instructions seemingly don't worko because it would say "loading kernel ok" and then go black
[11:36] <hyper_ch> jtg23_: 00:0a.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)   --> it's a linksys one
[11:36] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu-: I am in there
[11:37] <jtg23_> and i tried the kernel recompile all teh way from the beginning 3 times
[11:37] <jtg23_> i've been using linux for a long time but never use x and never run it locally cuz i use macs
[11:37] <hyper_ch> jtg23_: just get a suppored chipset
[11:37] <servaas-xubuntu-> i also was last 5 minutes :-)
[11:37] <jtg23_> hyper_ch i supposedly have two
[11:38] <jtg23_> well broadcom isn't totally supported but the firmware thing supposedly reliably works
[11:38] <jtg23_> the airlink is listed as supported
[11:38] <jtg23_> zd1211 drivers
[11:38] <hyper_ch> mine is ralink and works fine... however the ralink rt2500 usb seems to have a problem
[11:38] <hyper_ch> jtg23_: are yours usb cards?
[11:38] <jtg23_> the airlink is
[11:38] <jtg23_> the linksys isn't
[11:39] <hyper_ch> usb wifi cards seem to have problems and your linksys is a broadcom card
[11:39] <jtg23_> well the only version of this card with the right chipset was usb
[11:40] <jtg23_> and now with 6.1 my onboard ethernet doesn't even work
[11:40] <jtg23_> so i was basically better w 6.06
[11:40] <hyper_ch> strange
[11:42] <nikolam> I think that 7.04 is better than 6.1 , for me especially
[11:42] <nikolam> 7.04 have That restricted drivers manager
[11:43] <hyper_ch> nikolam: feisty is newer and has updated versions of certain programs
[11:43] <nikolam> Yes
[11:43] <servaas-xubuntu-> how could it be possible  that a newer version not support what an older version supported already
[11:44] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu-: does vista support everything that runs in xp?
[11:44] <hyper_ch> does xp support everything that runs in wn95?
[11:44] <nikolam> 6.06 is LTS - Long term supported, more carefully tested and widely used.
[11:45] <servaas-xubuntu-> i dont know becaus i am not experienced with ms ?
[11:45] <servaas-xubuntu-> !
[11:45] <hyper_ch> nikolam: it depends on your usage of the computer/server
[11:45] <nikolam> Hyper: Vista is another universe :) On XP the problem is lowsy programs that need administrator rights :)
[11:45] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu-: is MacOS totally backwards compatible?
[11:45] <nikolam> Hyper: Yes, of course.
[11:46] <servaas-xubuntu-> also no experience with it
[11:46] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu-: ^^
[11:46] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu-: then you don't have a lot of experience ;)
[11:47] <servaas-xubuntu-> im born with linux pre installed :-)
[11:47] <nikolam> I think that gnu linux is more backwards compatibile historicaly more than any other os. Recompile: Go
[11:47] <nikolam> lol :)
[11:49] <servaas-xubuntu-> im 2.6.20-16 versions old :-)
[11:50] <nikolam> Hey do you have trouble with -16? I had to go back to -15
[11:51] <servaas-xubuntu-> but on the problem of jtg23_  so on this moment you can not use ubuntu because of the driver and therefor leaving ?
[11:51] <jtg23_> huh?  i can use ubuntu, i can't use xubuntu
[11:52] <jtg23_> it's driving me nuts; i've tried a litany of supposed fixes and none of them have fixed it
[11:52] <jtg23_> and i want to get it working on this setup because i want to expand linux usership but it's hard to do if *i* can't even get my wifi working
[11:52] <jtg23_> and i can with ubuntu, like i said, but it's so slow that i'm very turned off to that because the machines i'll be using are generally lower spec'ed
[11:52] <saint-takeshi> jtg23_: that's gnu/linux for you; excellent software, as long as you don't use any hardware :D
[11:52] <jtg23_> yeah, right?  or in my experience so long as you don't need a gui
[11:53] <jtg23_> i mean even if apache were all that worked, it'd still be better than m$ft
[11:53] <servaas-xubuntu-> so xubuntu works not ubuntu works  but to slow?
[11:53] <nikolam> I thought that ubuntu and xubuntu are mostly same systems but xubuntu is lighter and faster and.. not so Brown.. :)
[11:53] <saint-takeshi> oh, that's a very much non-rpm thing.
[11:53] <jtg23_> xubuntu won't recognize my wifi
[11:53] <jtg23_> ubuntu will but is too slow
[11:53] <saint-takeshi> suse, redhat & mandrake have gui's for everything
[11:53] <jtg23_> xubuntu moves nicely but offline
[11:54] <jtg23_> should i be using one of those?
[11:54] <servaas-xubuntu-> may be you can figure out how ubuntu configures your wifi proper and apply that on xubuntu ?
[11:54] <jtg23_> i'm looking for the fastest, most user-friendly distro
[11:54] <nikolam> Hmm, tried to tun off ipv6 on ubuntu?
[11:55] <hyper_ch> jtg23_: is the card recognized?
[11:55] <nikolam> Maybe your wireless connection is not so good
[11:55] <servaas-xubuntu-> nikolam: howto ?
[11:55] <jtg23_> no no, my connection is fine because if i put in the ubuntu cd right now and boot from it, it'll detect my usb airlink card automatically
[11:55] <servaas-xubuntu-> so there is a working driver ...
[11:56] <jtg23_> for ubuntu at least
[11:56] <jtg23_> does that implicitly mean there's one for xubuntu?
[11:56] <servaas-xubuntu-> maybe xubuntu loads a wrong driver or misconfigured your wifi ...
[11:57] <jtg23_> beacuse that was the conclusion i drew and assumed it was kernel related but if i put on 7.04 (higher kernel still) it doesn't detect it nor does it in edgy
[11:57] <servaas-xubuntu-> yes because only desktop differs
[11:58] <servaas-xubuntu-> can you find out which driver is loaded in ubuntu ?
[11:59] <servaas-xubuntu-> do you use ifconfig iwconfig etc
[11:59] <jtg23_> sure can you tell me how to do that?
[11:59] <jtg23_> yah
[11:59] <Ramon> nikolam: trying to install the latest ubuntu release
[11:59] <Ramon> just downloaded
[12:00] <Ramon> it is installing the base system
[12:00] <nikolam> Nice :)
[12:00] <servaas-xubuntu-> im newbie :-)
[12:00] <Ramon> ok same thing
[12:00] <nikolam> My xchat just crashed :) Dunno why :))
[12:01] <Ramon> this is the error: "the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1) and when I go to the console it says: Invalid tar magic
[12:01] <servaas-xubuntu-> ok is there anyone on this channel who knows howto obtain info about loaded drivers in ubuntu
[12:02] <nikolam> Wow, it is reely mad thing.. Tid you mount /boot to hda1 on ext2 during installation?
[12:02] <cellofellow> modprobe
[12:02] <servaas-xubuntu-> (if i dont know i ask)
[12:02] <cellofellow> no, lsmod
[12:02] <nikolam> Loaded drivers? : lsmod
[12:02] <cellofellow> use lsmod and that will show loaded drivers.
[12:03] <cellofellow> lsmod | grep somekeyword
[12:03] <Ramon> yeah nikolam
[12:03] <servaas-xubuntu-> did you read that jtg23_
[12:03] <Ramon> but it is weird it recognized it as sda1
[12:03] <jtg23_> lsmod
[12:03] <Ramon> instead of hda1
[12:03] <nikolam> And tested memory?
[12:03] <servaas-xubuntu-> lsmod find your wifi
[12:03] <jtg23_> ok cool, it's coming up
[12:03] <Ramon> yeah memory is fine
[12:03] <nikolam> uhhh
[12:03] <Ramon> it recognizes it.. 128 ram
[12:04] <servaas-xubuntu-> than do the same in xubuntu again
[12:04] <servaas-xubuntu-> difference ?
[12:04] <Ramon> yeah with xubuntu the same thing happens
[12:04] <nikolam> but you Tested it? Leaved is for, say, half hour testing?
[12:04] <Ramon> with xubuntu, ubuntu, kubuntu etc
[12:04] <Ramon> yeah nikolam :) on my pc
[12:04] <cellofellow> the kernel and the drivers the selves are the same in Xubuntu and Ubuntu. Only difference is the graphical tools.
[12:04] <nikolam> Argh..
[12:05] <servaas-xubuntu-> cellofellow: i agree
[12:05] <Ramon> "invalid tar magic" wth is that?
[12:05] <servaas-xubuntu-> Ramon:  file type association ???
[12:06] <Ramon> yeah with tar i guess.. hahah i dont know im a total noob
[12:07] <servaas-xubuntu-> there are geeks reading here ... please mister geek help the noobs ...
[12:07] <servaas-xubuntu-> jtg23_: ?
[12:07] <jtg23_> checking
[12:07] <Ramon> :'(
[12:08] <servaas-xubuntu-> ramon try google
[12:08] <Ramon> i did
[12:08] <servaas-xubuntu-> and ?
[12:08] <cellofellow> google.com/linux
[12:08] <Ramon> i mean this issue i've been getting with all debian distros
[12:08] <Ramon> nothing related
[12:08] <nikolam> And non-debian? :)
[12:09] <nikolam> Knoppix etc..
[12:09] <illu45> *nods* Give Knoppix a try
[12:09] <illu45> or Slax
[12:09] <illu45> Slax is a smaller download
[12:09] <Ramon> yeah slax works fine
[12:09] <illu45> Ah... odd
[12:09] <Ramon> ubuntu live cd works fine
[12:09] <Ramon> everything loads great
[12:09] <Ramon> its something related to the "debootstrap"
[12:10] <Ramon> i guess
[12:11] <nikolam> Aargh.. Tryed to change har drive:) or to format it fuly, destroy all partitions and make new ones? ;,,)
[12:11] <nikolam> Maybe HD is faulty somehow, donno
[12:11] <Ramon> did it haa
[12:11] <illu45> Ramon, try posting on ubuntuforums.org, if you haven't yet
[12:12] <Ramon> tried another HD and same thing
[12:12] <cellofellow> what's up?
[12:15] <jtg23_> ok sorry mom called
[12:15] <jtg23_> ieee80211 zd1211rw
[12:15] <nikolam> Wow, mistery... The next thing I thought was "new motherboard" but I am afraid that you fill shoot me ;,,)
[12:15] <jtg23_> , ieee80211softmac
[12:15] <Ramon> hahahhahahahahhaha
[12:15] <jtg23_> now i'll reboot with xubuntu 6.1 and see
[12:15] <Ramon> yeah absolutly :P
[12:15] <nikolam> :shy:
[12:16] <Ramon> yeah with xubuntu and ubuntu the same thing happens.. i mean with every debian based distro
[12:16] <nikolam> And non-debian?
[12:16] <Ramon> yeah.. slax
[12:16] <Ramon> it works.. (live cd)
[12:17] <Ramon> ahh and by the way i did the 1gb /boot partition haha
[12:18] <servaas-xubuntu-> Ramon:  !
[12:18] <Ramon> yeah?
[12:18] <servaas-xubuntu-> about tar invalid magic
[12:18] <Ramon> yeah?
[12:19] <servaas-xubuntu-> what was it what you tried to do
[12:19] <Ramon> install ubuntu
[12:19] <Ramon> it was installing the "base system"...
[12:19] <jtg23_> um ok servaas-xubuntu i still see the drivers when i do lsmod but the card is not lit up and doesn't work
[12:19] <Ramon> and it showed me a "debootstrap error" and if I look at the debug console it says debootstrap: tar: debootstrap: invalid tar magic
[12:21] <servaas-xubuntu-> ok i did some search and it looks like that there is a little type error somewhere but have no time do a search again on google for tar invalid magic and read yourself more about it
[12:21] <servaas-xubuntu-> ok jtg23_
[12:21] <Ramon> "type error".. how's that?
[12:22] <servaas-xubuntu-> Ramon: i just readed 3-4 lines about it
[12:22] <cellofellow> type error is a programming error. The type of variable had a mismatch.
[12:22] <Ramon> ahhh ok
[12:22] <Ramon> ill check for that
[12:22] <servaas-xubuntu-> jtg23_: so the drivers are in both xubuntu and ubuntu ... configuration problem
[12:23] <servaas-xubuntu-> jtg23_:  i think ...
[12:24] <servaas-xubuntu-> cellofellow: i dont know didnt read that much just checked if there was something on the net about it
[12:26] <servaas-xubuntu-> jtg23_:
[12:26] <jtg23> egad did i miss anything??
[12:27] <nikolam> Hmmm Ramon: Tryed to boot from other CD-Rom? (please dont shoot) :)
[12:27] <servaas-xubuntu-> jtg23: what shows ifconfig iw config etc
[12:27] <jtg23> well interesting thing about ifconfig is that it shows no line for inet addr
[12:28] <servaas-xubuntu-> how do you obtain ip ?
[12:28] <jtg23> i got a mac address, up broadcast multicast, mtu/metric blah blah rx tx collisions (0,0,0 natch) but no inet addr line item
[12:28] <jtg23> dhcp
[12:28] <servaas-xubuntu-> sudo dhclient
[12:29] <jtg23> the card doesn't even light up as if it's not drawing power via usb
[12:29] <jtg23> i'm pretty sure it should be glowing