[04:37] <biotrox> !banned
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[04:38] <biotrox> if i'm bein' banned from other channel of ubuntu how to resolve this..?
[04:39] <biotrox> :(
[04:40] <LaserJock> talk to #ubuntu-ops
[04:40] <biotrox> oke thanks
[02:15] <sperotek> I know I can hear sound, like a music file on the computer from my thin clients since sound is set to true, but I can't hear the sound in a youtube video. Is this something I can fix?
[02:22] <ogra> sperotek, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-June/001253.html
[02:24] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ has it as well :)
[02:51] <sperotek> I only had one other problem other than sound and local devices, I have to make a server with around 500 users (students), is there a tutorial somehow explaining how it can be done so they have the same user privileges, settings, desktop with icons and everything. Some automated way or some easier way?
[02:52] <sperotek> Once I can solve that problem, and I make a presentation to my boss to convince him to convert a lab to an edubuntu lab
[02:53] <sperotek> I have tried finding some guide through Google for a long time, but can't find anything
[03:19] <LaserJock> morning ogra
[03:19] <ogra> heya
[03:19] <LaserJock> ogra: so what do you think about this lang-pack installation from addon CD issue
[03:20] <ogra> well, the language selector should pick it automatically if the CD is mounted
[03:20] <LaserJock> I dug around a little, and if you select "Start Package Manager" when the pop in the CD the CD is added as an apt source
[03:20] <ogra> we should test that, and if it works, probably add a utton to the popup dialog
[03:20] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah
[03:21] <ogra> dunno if thats good UI wise, but that would be an option ...
[03:21] <LaserJock> I think it would be a fairly common use-case
[03:21] <ogra> more tricky will be the gcompris install
[03:21] <ogra> we dont have a package for each language, so we cant bind them directly to the langpacks
[03:22] <LaserJock> well, I was thinking of having a gcompris-addon metapackage in my metapackages
[03:22] <LaserJock> that deps on all gcompris langs
[03:22] <LaserJock> that would at least give an all-or-nothing solution
[03:22] <LaserJock> I think most people won't mind installing all the languages if they are on the CD
[03:23] <ogra> well, thats what we did before
[03:23] <ogra> we could just add a dep to our gcompris package
[03:23] <LaserJock> well, but that would affect people downloading it from the net too
[03:23] <LaserJock> like from Ubuntu
[03:24] <ogra> hmm
[03:31] <LaserJock> that's why I was thinking an edubuntu-addon-gcompris metapack might help
[03:33] <ogra> oh sigh ... pulseaudio uses quilt as patchsystem
[03:33] <ogra> as if two package patch systems wouldnt be enough
[03:33] <ogra> grr
[03:38] <LaserJock> ogra: hehe, just keeps you on your toes
[03:48] <a5benwillis> ogra: Hi there
[03:48] <a5benwillis> I just got home from a huge Ed Tech event in Atlana, GA USA
[03:48] <a5benwillis> Lots of talk about Edubuntu
[03:48] <ogra> cool !
[03:48] <a5benwillis> Mostly good... a fewbad that I didnt agree with.
[03:50] <a5benwillis> One presenter said to a roon of about 300 people that he didnt recomend Edubuntu to the beginner because it still has some issues.
[03:51] <a5benwillis> Like sound issues and that it takes 5 minutes or more for a client to boot which may make a beginner think they've done something wrong.
[03:51] <ogra> he is right, even thouggh his client HW likely doesnt hit the minimal spec :)
[03:52] <ogra> gutsy fixes the slow boots
[03:52] <ogra> there are no sound issues though
[03:52] <ogra> actually what we have in feisty is the best sound support any ltsp ever had
[03:52] <a5benwillis> The other big thing that I heard was people wanting good edubuntu-novell integration.
[03:52] <ogra> what would that mean ?
[03:52] <a5benwillis> A lot of k-12 stilluses netware for user accounts.
[03:53] <ogra> ah, well, we have all clients available for that
[03:53] <a5benwillis> Login authentication from novell e-directory etc...
[03:53] <ogra> just no scripting or setup for it ... ts a bit of manual work
[03:53] <a5benwillis> any guides for it?
[03:53] <ogra> but its not as if you couldnt do it
[03:54] <a5benwillis> I spoke with on IT director from Washington state who has spent lots of time trying to get it to work. His IT department isnt as big as minebut they are more into open source as a district that us.
[03:55] <a5benwillis> He hasnt had any luck so he just uses generic logins to the clint then uses an launcher to the users home directory which then asks for authentication..
[03:56] <ogra> look for docs about the mars_new stuff
[03:56] <ogra> err
[03:56] <ogra> mars_nwe
[03:57] <ogra> ogra@laptop:~/packages/pulseaudio-0.9.6$ apt-cache search netware ncp
[03:57] <ogra> libncp - shared library used by programs that use NetWare Core Protocol
[03:57] <ogra> libpam-mount - PAM module that can mount volumes for a user session
[03:57] <ogra> libpam-ncp - PAM module allowing authentication from a NetWare server
[03:57] <ogra> ncpfs - utilities to use resources from NetWare servers
[03:57] <ogra> all there :)
[03:58] <ogra> i'm sure you will find a howto
[03:58] <a5benwillis> ogra: Ive spent lots of time with those modules. There was a problem using them with ldm
[03:58] <ogra> you just need to make sure the ssh server uses it
[03:58] <ogra> ldm is dumb ...
[03:58] <ogra> the importan part is the pam setup for ssh
[03:59] <a5benwillis> right, tryingto remember here, its been a few months. The problem was really with ssh and the modules..
[03:59] <a5benwillis> Looking through notes now.
[04:00] <a5benwillis> The user had to exist on the local machine for ssh to allow the login.
[05:47] <stgraber> ogra: still the ssh problem even once ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image
[05:47] <ogra> weird
[05:47] <ogra> is the server you try to log in to in the known hosts file ?
[05:48] <stgraber> yes and this Permission denied (publickey,password) looks weird as well
[05:48] <stgraber> yes it's
[05:48] <stgraber> 172.16.1.2
[05:48] <stgraber> dhcp on 172.16.0.3 and client 172.16.1.1
[05:48] <stgraber> I don't really see where the problem is
[05:48] <ogra> hmm, me neither
[05:49] <ogra> it worked with a real client ?
[05:49] <stgraber> as when I'm on my laptop on Ubuntu I can ssh root@172.16.1.2 without any kind of problem
[05:49] <ogra> or did it fail there as well ?
[05:49] <stgraber> well, I'm on a real client
[05:49] <ogra> are you sure its trying to log in to that server ?
[05:49] <ogra> do you see the ip in ldm.log
[05:49] <stgraber> I'm trying ssh root@172.16.1.1 from a console on the thin client (tty2)
[05:50] <ogra> oh, wait, i dont even know if we write it to the log
[05:50] <ogra> sbalneav, do we ? ^^^
[05:50] <ogra> ssh from commandline doesnt work ...
[05:50] <ogra> i dont know why yet, somehow unionfs related
[05:50] <stgraber> nope : Permission denied (publickey,password).
[05:51] <ogra> yeah, i know
[05:51] <sbalneav> Not doing as much logging as I probably should.
[05:51] <ogra> dont try it :)
[05:51] <ogra> well, you changed a lot the last days
[05:51] <ogra> but that code isnt in tribe2 yet
[05:51] <ogra> yay
[05:54] <stgraber> oh, got something interesting
[05:54] <stgraber> /var/log/ldm.log : ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.254 port 22: No route to host
[05:54] <stgraber> so ldm is trying to connect to the wrong host .. :)
[05:55] <ogra> yeah
[05:56] <ogra> you can set LDM_SERVER in the lts.conf (in the tftp tree)
[06:00] <ogra> conmgrats to your MOTUship :)
[06:00] <nixternal> thank you!
[06:00] <sbalneav> nixternal++
[06:01] <nixternal> well, I only got 4 hours of sleep, so nixternal-- ;)
[06:02] <sbalneav> nixternal.sleep()
[06:02] <sbalneav> Hopefully that's a public method I can call :)
[06:02] <nixternal> hehe
[06:03] <nixternal> if not, would be nothing more than a simple class with a default constructor, destructor, and mutators really :)
[06:03] <nixternal> heck, even a namespace would suffice
[06:04] <LaserJock> I'm sure it'd be easy in python ;-)
[06:06] <nixternal> or perl, or bash :)
[06:06] <sbalneav> #!/bin/sh
[06:06] <sbalneav> while nixternal; do
[06:06] <sbalneav>    sleep;
[06:06] <sbalneav> done
[06:06] <nixternal> hehe
[06:06] <nixternal> there you go
[06:06] <nixternal> doesn't get any easier
[06:07] <nixternal> but can you do sleep w/o any input?
[06:07] <nixternal> sleep 8hrs;
[06:07] <nixternal> ;)
[06:33] <ogra> sorry for the noise
[06:40] <LaserJock> nighty night Ollie
[08:38] <a5benwillis> does anyone know if I can boot up a defaultinstall of edubuntu and haveanother dhcp server send the client to boot from the edubuntu server?
[08:46] <vonce8> I need a way to create a large number of users with a standard home folder, theme, and account permissions. I know how to copy a home folder and change the ownership, however I still would need to set the user permissions by hand for each person though the users and accounts tool. Is there a way I can create many accounts (500+) all at once with identical profiles?
[08:46] <sbalneav> a5benwillis: yep, you can do that.
[08:47] <sbalneav> vonce8: shell scripting can be your friend here.
[08:48] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: thanks, figuredit out :-)
[08:48] <a5benwillis> trying fiesty for the firsttime now
[08:51] <vonce8> sbalneav: the problem is though, with the terminal (add user) you dont have as much control over user permissions. aka: ability to use external device
[08:51] <a5benwillis> how can I change the wallpaper that the clients see?
[08:51] <a5benwillis> looking in the wiki but havent found anything
[08:52] <sbalneav> vonce8: Just use the addgroup command to add them to the fuse group
[08:53] <sbalneav> a5benwillis: You could use the gconftool to set the /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename key to whatever you want.
[08:54] <sbalneav> You've got 3 levels of gconf
[08:54] <a5benwillis> will that effect all users logging into the the ltsp?
[08:54] <sbalneav> depends on how you set it up.
[08:55] <sbalneav> if you set it up as a manditory key, it will affect everyone, and they won't be able to change it.
[08:55] <sbalneav> If you set it up as a default key, new users will get it as the default, but can change it.
[08:55] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: Ok, Im lookig for info on gconftool now
[08:55] <sbalneav> existing users will be left aline.
[08:58] <sbalneav> a5benwillis:  gconftool-2's the program you want to use
[09:00] <LaserJock> vonce8: yeah, the key is just knowing what group the little description in the GUI tool is talking about then you can do it from a script
[09:04] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: Ok, I set the key to the other wallpaper and logged in as a new user but they still have the old wallpaper?
[09:04] <a5benwillis> should this be ran from a client session or the server console?
[09:05] <sbalneav> Well, you'll want to run it as root, and either make it default, or mandatory
[09:07] <vonce8> LaserJock: I don't understand what you mean. I think my real problem for using shell scripting is that from the terminal doesn't have the options for user privileges. I'm sure it exists somewhere but how do I change permissions like the ability to use/not user flash drives or scanners from the terminal?
[09:08] <sbalneav> gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string  --set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /usr/share/pixmaps/wallpaper/desktop.png
[09:08] <sbalneav> substitude /usr/share/pixmaps/wallpaper/desktop.png for the one you want
[09:08] <a5benwillis> wow
[09:08] <a5benwillis> thats diferent from what I ran for sure.
[09:09] <LaserJock> vonce8: that exists from the command line
[09:10] <sbalneav> vonce8: In ubuntu, you add/remove those permissions by adding/removing users from the proper groups.
[09:10] <LaserJock> vonce8: you just have to know what group in /etc/groups controls that "feature"
[09:10] <sbalneav> So, to use localdevs, the user must be in the "fuse" group
[09:10] <sbalneav> To use a scanner, they must be in the "scanner" group, etc.
[09:11] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: worked perfectly. Thanks!
[09:11] <a5benwillis> I need to find a wiki on that tool. it wouldbenice to know all of the things that it can change etc.
[09:12] <sbalneav> a5benwillis: google for "Gnome administrators guide"
[09:12] <sbalneav> http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/
[09:13] <vonce8> Ok - but wouldn't that also enable file sharing between the users? This solution would be for 500+ students- I cant have them sharing files.
[09:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know exactly
[09:15] <LaserJock> I'm very certain though that the GUI tool doesn't do anything fancy
[09:15] <LaserJock> it just puts users into groups
[09:15] <LaserJock> which you can do from a script just as well
[09:17] <sbalneav> vonce8: define "file sharing".  As in, having a common area they can swap files back and forth in, or file sharing as in bittorrent, emule, etc?
[09:20] <vonce8> sorry - i wasn't clear: I don't want them to be able to communicate at all though the network. Common area, messaging, etc. I can hide bittorrent or make it unusable, but my real issue is students being able to see eachother over the network. On the windows network we already have (hopefully had), students were using netsend. I fear that if the students were in a common group, they would be...
[09:20] <vonce8> ...able to use services like that. Am i dillusional or is that an inherent feature of groups.
[09:23] <LaserJock> vonce8: well, that can be dealt with, but it's really a separate issue
[09:29] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: Does a guide exist for administering the edubuntu server? I need to learn how to uninstall-install applications to the client filesystem and learn how to lock things down etc...
[09:30] <a5benwillis> .
[09:31] <a5benwillis> I know how to install software in ubuntu but doesnt something else have to be done for it to show up on the clients?
[09:33] <vonce8> I'm not going to waist everyones time asking questions of "how" which I can research myself, but this "separate issue" - i'm not trying to limit everyone's freedom on the network over here, but a directory of which all students of the fuse group or scanner group could access with read-write-exicute permissions would be an issue. netsend is trivial and as long as no ip address threatens to...
[09:33] <vonce8> ...kill another one over the network i'm ok with it. I just cant have a public directory with a file posted by a 9th grader containing the answers from a period one test which all students of the "9th grade" group can access before test time. If I dont create any directories for certain groups will they be made automatically?
[09:34] <LaserJock> vonce8: makes sense
[09:34] <LaserJock> but you do need to be in common groups to make things work
[09:35] <LaserJock> like people need to be in the fuse group do access things they do need
[09:38] <sperotek> hmm, i'm curious now...so is adding "student" to the fuse group the same as enabling access to fuse filesystems in the user priviledges teh saem thing?
[09:39] <sbalneav> vonce8: You'll never get around that.
[09:40] <sperotek> if it is that would really help me...
[09:40] <sbalneav> the /tmp directory is, by definition, accessible by everyone.
[09:41] <sbalneav> sperotek: yes it is
[09:42] <sperotek> when you enable the priviledge, that doesn't add you to the group though, does it?
[09:42] <sbalneav> yes it does
[09:42] <vonce8> can i set the tmp as hidden without any ramifications? (if someone accesses it though the terminal then good for them)
[09:43] <cbx33> hey sbalneav
[09:47] <sperotek> vonce8, if we can hide the temp folder that would be perfect
[09:47] <sperotek> I completely missed how we could share files like that
[09:48] <vonce8> hey check it out - the test answers ! lol
[09:49] <sperotek> it says owned by root, so how can we still write stuff to it
[09:49] <sperotek> there must be some way to deny people from making new files on it like I just did
[09:53] <LaserJock> you don't want to prevent access to /tmp
[09:53] <LaserJock> that would led to bad things
[09:54] <vonce8> makes sense - but can we just hide it without leading to any bad things?
[09:54] <LaserJock> kinda
[09:57] <sbalneav> hey cbx33
[10:00] <ctkroeker> anyone else have trouble with thin clients not displaying panels right in gnome, not rebooting, firefox saying its already running, etc.?
[10:03] <sperotek> are you using the same account on multiple clients?
[10:03] <sperotek> at the same time, ctkroeker
[10:03] <ctkroeker> not at the same time
[10:04] <ctkroeker> i did a fresh reinstall acouple of days ago
[10:04] <sperotek> I have the firefox problem when i am logged in to two places
[10:04] <ctkroeker> well this also says a panel is running, etc. and the only fix is rebooting the server
[10:05] <sperotek> I have firefox running on my admin account on the server, and then I try to use firefox on a client with my admin account
[10:06] <ctkroeker> dont do that. have separate accounts, usually only 2 or three seperate ones running at the same time
[10:07] <ctkroeker> I gues I can set up a crontab too reboot the server every couple of days, should be a temporary fix till gutsy comes out which will hopefully fix a bunch of issues
[10:10] <vonce8> ctkroneker "Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you first must close the existing firefox process, or restart your system." ???
[10:10] <vonce8> is that what you get?
[10:12] <ctkroeker> exatly
[10:12] <ctkroeker> although this only happens if the server has been on for quite a while and there have been multiple log/ins/offs
[10:12] <vonce8> if you go to the thin client manager see if there are multiple logins of the same user account
[10:13] <sperotek> yeah there must be a problem with service/programs not ending correctly
[10:13] <ctkroeker> at the moment I have 2 separte users logged in, but no probs
[10:14] <ctkroeker> I mean, this happens not even every week
[10:15] <ctkroeker> How do I view the clients from the thin client manager with vnc? already install x11vnc in the ltsp chroot
[10:18] <vonce8> A better solution than an automatic reboot might be to automatically log someone out if they have been logged in for more than x days, but that's going into an area that I dont know a lot about.
[10:22] <LaserJock> nano*sensors
[10:22] <LaserJock> awesome ;-)
[11:13] <Athanasius> would someone be willing to help me to set the DHCP on edubuntu?