| Riddell | mhb: does it for me. but you know how opinionated artwork can make people so do ask around | 12:18 |
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| DaSkreech | UPstream? | 12:24 |
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| mhb | Riddell: you're not awake, I presume | 01:22 |
| ScottK | What would you do if he said No? | 01:24 |
| Riddell | No :) | 01:24 |
| mhb | I would tell him "go to sleep, you deserve it" | 01:25 |
| mhb | "but before you go..." | 01:25 |
| mhb | http://bayimg.com/KACdJAAbj | 01:25 |
| Riddell | new knotify? | 01:26 |
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| mhb | no, a child of KPassivePopup | 01:26 |
| Riddell | oh yes | 01:27 |
| mhb | a class which simply sets a different width and palette | 01:27 |
| Riddell | but did you change KPassivePopup or just in power-manager? | 01:27 |
| mhb | just a hack in power-manager | 01:27 |
| Riddell | fair enough | 01:28 |
| Riddell | I don't know anything else that actually uses KPassivePopup, since it's so ugly normally | 01:28 |
| mhb | KBluetooth perhaps | 01:29 |
| mhb | also, Kopete bubbles may be a type of KPassivePopup | 01:29 |
| mhb | but I'm not sure about that | 01:29 |
| xerosis | what's happening with knotify in kde4?not heard much | 01:30 |
| mhb | Riddell: now the kmilo OSD and we'll be consistent :o) | 01:32 |
| Riddell | xerosis: I've not heard much either | 01:40 |
| nixternal | knotify just got some qt4 love I think so far | 01:41 |
| xerosis | nixternal: does it look any better? | 01:41 |
| nixternal | probably not yet | 01:41 |
| xerosis | well, it can't be any worse... | 01:42 |
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| pdenapo | Hello, I've been testing kubuntu 7.04 | 03:59 |
| pdenapo | but it still has a serious bug | 03:59 |
| pdenapo | that has been reported a long time ago but it is not fixed | 04:00 |
| pdenapo | it cannot detect a serial mouse | 04:00 |
| pdenapo | I think is a serious issue for newbbies | 04:01 |
| pdenapo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/9068 | 04:02 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 9068 in xorg "Serial mice are not autodetected" [Medium,Confirmed] | 04:02 |
| pdenapo | exactly | 04:02 |
| pdenapo | but something has to be done about it | 04:02 |
| pdenapo | advanced users like myself can edit the xorg. file by hand | 04:02 |
| pdenapo | and kill the X server process | 04:02 |
| pdenapo | but this is not acceptable for newbbies | 04:03 |
| mhb | pdenapo: you see, it's not Kubuntu's fault | 04:03 |
| mhb | pdenapo: because that bug is in Xorg | 04:03 |
| mhb | pdenapo: and we share the Xorg package with Ubuntu | 04:03 |
| pdenapo | but we can do something about it | 04:03 |
| pdenapo | we can provide for example | 04:03 |
| pdenapo | an option to select at boot time | 04:04 |
| pdenapo | for using a serial mouse | 04:04 |
| mhb | pdenapo: it can be fixed, no doubt about it. But the people in this channel are KDE package maintainers mostly. | 04:04 |
| pdenapo | I think it is an mdect problem | 04:04 |
| pdenapo | ah, OK | 04:04 |
| mhb | pdenapo: the #ubuntu-devel channel might help you more | 04:04 |
| pdenapo | thanks | 04:05 |
| pdenapo | I will try to discuss the issue there | 04:05 |
| pdenapo | sorry for creating noise, then | 04:05 |
| mhb | pdenapo: No problem - we just can't do much with your problem. | 04:06 |
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| manchicken | Okay, it's hacking time. | 04:10 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Since I've been so roadblocked by the bzr branch of adept, I'm gonna just work off of the deb-src version. | 04:11 |
| manchicken | I've got a couple bugs that I'm going to try to squish tonight. | 04:12 |
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| manchicken | I'm wondering if the dependencies in the deb-src for adept are correct. | 04:36 |
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| nixternal | what is new and outstanding in Tribe 2 for us? | 05:58 |
| ajmitch | you! | 05:58 |
| nixternal | why thank you :) | 05:59 |
| nixternal | the gutsy-changes list wasn't getting updated due to the lp updates iirc | 05:59 |
| nixternal | gdebi-kde right mhb :) | 06:00 |
| manchicken | Adept has got to be one of the trickiest programs to debug. | 06:12 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:13 |
| === nixternal eats pizza | ||
| crimsun | manchicken: RE: your earlier statement about sound: some app is mucking with your mixer element(s). | 06:13 |
| manchicken | crimsun: Yeah... I know that my sound device is easily distracted, so I have the sound system lock it and hold onto the lock. | 06:14 |
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| manchicken | sometimes it just seems like something gets to it first. | 06:14 |
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| manchicken | crimsun: But gutsy is working quite nicely. | 06:15 |
| manchicken | The benefit of running the unstable development version is that you can hack without chroots ;) | 06:15 |
| DaSkreech | :grins | 06:21 |
| === DaSkreech kicks his MUDDIng habits | ||
| === manchicken stabs the vim gu... | ||
| manchicken | guy* | 06:22 |
| DaSkreech | I naturally read that as GUI | 06:23 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: have you used vigor? | 06:23 |
| manchicken | Nope. I've used GNU Emacs though :) | 06:23 |
| DaSkreech | You do know that the vi guy is older right? | 06:28 |
| DaSkreech | so .. you have much less reason (and moral standing) to stab him | 06:28 |
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| DaSkreech | ?me hugs Hobbsee | 06:35 |
| === DaSkreech bahs | ||
| DaSkreech | Stupid Windows has my fingers fugged | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | hey DaSkreech! | 06:35 |
| === Hobbsee hugs DaSkreech back | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:36 |
| ScottK | Good morning (for you) Hobbsee. I got my kdepim branch finally today. | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: yay! | 06:37 |
| === ajmitch would hug Hobbsee, but would probably get stabbed by a LongPointyStick | ||
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: now you know i dont stab people who hug me... | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: you survived last time | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | poke in ribs? | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | no, no | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | true... | 06:39 |
| === Hobbsee hugs ajmitch | ||
| ajmitch | ok | 06:40 |
| === ajmitch hugs Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | not dead yet | 06:40 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i dont think it's morning here either | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | so what's up? | 06:40 |
| ScottK | Oh. Sorry. | 06:41 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Good $TIME_OF_DAY to you. | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: been doing release type stuff, etc. it's fun! | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | lucky you | 06:43 |
| === ajmitch went to finish off a merge (for main), and found that there's a new upstream release already | ||
| DaSkreech | !hobbsee | 06:44 |
| ubotu | I phear the stick so shhhhh | 06:44 |
| === nixternal hugs #kubuntu-devel | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs nixternal | ||
| nixternal | ajmitch: I love working on a package, get it all ready, and bam, new upstream release, or Debian went ahead and released another version in the mean time | 06:45 |
| ajmitch | nixternal: this was both - I was working on samba 3.0.25a-2, so of course 3.0.25b-1 got let out | 06:46 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Sounds like me on Kubunutt unstable | 06:46 |
| nixternal | whooo, any goodness to the new release? | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | more bug fixes | 06:46 |
| nixternal | cool | 06:47 |
| DaSkreech | by the time I do a apt-get update the smae packages I just updated have a new candidate | 06:47 |
| manchicken | Well, I suppose I have good and bad news... | 06:47 |
| manchicken | I found the cause of bug #119969. | 06:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969 | 06:47 |
| manchicken | That's the good news. | 06:47 |
| ajmitch | bad news is it requires a rewrite? | 06:48 |
| manchicken | The bad news is that it's gonna take some real work to get that details button wrking. | 06:48 |
| manchicken | Not a rewrite, but that button is bound to an event that goes OVER the river and THROUGH the woods to grandmother's house for manager and updater by using the adept::Browser widget. | 06:48 |
| ScottK | Bug complains about a useless button. Removing the button also satsifies the bug, right ;-) | 06:49 |
| manchicken | But adept installer doesn't make use of adept::Browser, so the event gets lost in the forest. | 06:49 |
| manchicken | ScottK: Yeah, but I like making the button useful. It is a useful button. | 06:49 |
| ScottK | Thus the ;-). Be careful what you ask for, you may get it. | 06:50 |
| manchicken | Adept Installer uses the View class for the preview. | 06:50 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 06:50 |
| manchicken | I think I may have hacked it... though I fully expect some very strange behavior with this hack :) | 06:58 |
| manchicken | Nothing like sucking the marrow from one method for use in another :) | 06:58 |
| nixternal | hrmm, just noticed that the DigiKam 0.9.2 final release hasn't been uploaded yet | 06:59 |
| nixternal | same with k3b | 07:02 |
| manchicken | DAMNIT. View is a QSplitter widget while Browser is a QWidgetStack widget. | 07:03 |
| manchicken | I don't even know what a QSplitter is. I'll have to take this up tomorrow with JR. | 07:03 |
| manchicken | I'm gonna hit the hay to save some brain cells. | 07:03 |
| manchicken | Check you all later. | 07:04 |
| nixternal | g'nite | 07:04 |
| nixternal | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe2/Kubuntu | 07:05 |
| nixternal | that is what I have so far, nothing written up, but the updates listed at least | 07:05 |
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| nixternal | now you can look at the page, there is content and pics! :) | 08:04 |
| DaSkreech | eeeeek | 08:06 |
| DaSkreech | s/GDebi/kDebi/g ummm k? | 08:07 |
| nixternal | GDebi-KDE | 08:08 |
| nixternal | it should be KDebi truthfully | 08:08 |
| nixternal | apt-cache show gdebi-kde | 08:08 |
| DaSkreech | Is it QT? | 08:08 |
| nixternal | yup | 08:08 |
| DaSkreech | ... why isn't it KDebi? | 08:08 |
| DaSkreech | Ian got huffy? | 08:08 |
| nixternal | ask mhb, not me | 08:08 |
| === Jucato thinks we have a trend of pre/postfixing "kde" rather than "K" to Kubuntu ports of Ubuntu stuff | ||
| DaSkreech | KDE GDebi? | 08:11 |
| Jucato | postfixing rather... | 08:11 |
| Jucato | software-properties-kde, hwdb-kde... | 08:12 |
| Jucato | ubiquity-frontend-kde | 08:12 |
| Jucato | oh it was hwdb-client-kde | 08:13 |
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| Hobbsee | anyone else seen the new crystal icons yet? | 08:28 |
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| nixternal | Hobbsee: I am using them | 08:39 |
| nixternal | they are really nice | 08:39 |
| nixternal | I love the speaker when you hit mute, although mute doesn't do anything for me with gutsy now ;( | 08:39 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: have you made a package for them? | 08:39 |
| nixternal | no I haven't...should I? | 08:39 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 08:39 |
| nixternal | roger that, will do | 08:40 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: when are you going for motu? | 08:46 |
| === nixternal became a MOTU on 2007-06-28 | ||
| nixternal | err, 27 | 08:47 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: congrats | 08:47 |
| nixternal | thanks | 08:47 |
| gnomefreak | i missed the meeting | 08:48 |
| gnomefreak | yw | 08:48 |
| nixternal | so did I, I woke up to it :) | 08:48 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 08:49 |
| === gnomefreak wants a few merges under my belt before i go for it | ||
| gnomefreak | i dont think my repo counts to what they are looking for in packaging experience | 08:50 |
| nixternal | manchicken: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/(Kate)+FileTree+plugin?content=60026 <-- weren't you and I just talking about such a thing? | 08:51 |
| nixternal | well, you don't have to be the worlds greatest packager, motu is the stepping stone for core-dev, which I think is pretty cool | 08:51 |
| Jucato | congrats nixternal | 08:54 |
| nixternal | thanks | 08:55 |
| viviersf | Riddell, ping | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yes, you definetly should :) | 09:03 |
| nixternal | I definitely should what? | 09:03 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: make a package for those. | 09:03 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: do you reckon that those rock harder than the oxygen ones? | 09:04 |
| nixternal | they are damn good no doubt. dunno where they stand against oxygen though, the oxygen color template I like better | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | i prefer this colour template, for some reason. | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | oxygen looks quite black and flat to me | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | i'ts shiny - but it's very black too | 09:07 |
| nixternal | there are some that do ya | 09:07 |
| nixternal | I don't like the refresh button :) | 09:08 |
| nixternal | the orange and green arrow thing | 09:08 |
| Hobbsee | yeah...some of it is a little weird | 09:08 |
| Jucato | yeah... | 09:08 |
| === gnomefreak hasnt seen oxygen icons yet but those everaldo ones are sweet | ||
| Jucato | I don't like the new crystal's home button eitehr | 09:08 |
| Hobbsee | that was the other one | 09:08 |
| Jucato | I do love the "globe"-type icons... although they don't look like globes and sort of lose the icon metaphor | 09:09 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: kde-icons-crystal | 09:09 |
| nixternal | it seems the old ones are a pacakge, should I just update that package? | 09:09 |
| nixternal | actually, those say something about being the "Connective Icon Theme" for the ones in our repo already | 09:09 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: well, they are different themes | 09:09 |
| nixternal | ya they are | 09:09 |
| Hobbsee | i'd probably do a kde-icons-crystal-project | 09:09 |
| === nixternal gest to work | ||
| nixternal | exactly :) | 09:10 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 09:10 |
| Jucato | ok nixternal, gest back to work! :) | 09:10 |
| nixternal | holy smokes, 21mb dl | 09:10 |
| nixternal | heh | 09:10 |
| nixternal | gest ya man | 09:10 |
| gnomefreak | are we expecting a 3.5.8 release for gutsy? | 09:10 |
| nixternal | *maybe* | 09:10 |
| Jucato | maaaaaaaaybe :) | 09:11 |
| nixternal | hehe | 09:11 |
| nixternal | they say it will be release in Sept I think, or maybe Oct...I do remember it is quite close to release time | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | erk. | 09:11 |
| Jucato | I doubt they'd release October... | 09:11 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: thats kde4 no? | 09:11 |
| nixternal | 3.5.8 | 09:11 |
| Jucato | although I also doubt they'd release kde4 in october :) | 09:11 |
| nixternal | Jucato: they will | 09:12 |
| Jucato | we'll see :) | 09:12 |
| gnomefreak | 3.5.8 would be useless if it released same time as 4 | 09:12 |
| Jucato | we've had our first schedule "adjustment"... | 09:12 |
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| Hobbsee | xerosis: yes...we need to squish that bug | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | the .kde being owned by root | 09:28 |
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| nixternal | Hobbsee: if this icon set doesn't come with a license file, should I create a patch that will create the license file? | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: it's lgpl. | 09:50 |
| nixternal | gpl | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | lgpl was what i read. i'm not sure | 09:50 |
| === nixternal looks agin | ||
| Hobbsee | http://everaldo.com/crystal/?action=license | 09:50 |
| nixternal | yup | 09:51 |
| nixternal | so what does that mean then? it doesn't need the file? | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | i'd probably put it in, and say | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | "this comes from <address> " | 09:51 |
| nixternal | should I create a patch for it, or should I just go ahead and create the LICENSE file in the root directory? or do I just put it in the debian/ directory and add it to the docs file? | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | not sure. not sure | 09:53 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | ask in #ubuntu-devel | 09:53 |
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| danimo | Riddell: http://idea.opensuse.org/content/ideas/integrate-kdm-with-kwallet | 10:11 |
| danimo | Riddell: looks interesting? | 10:11 |
| danimo | moin btw! | 10:14 |
| nixternal | when Hobbsee comes back around (LongPointyStick), know that I have contacted the artist of Crystal asking if he can incorporate the license file, w/o it, we are dead in the water. So by the time I wake up, hopefully I will have some good feedback | 10:19 |
| nixternal | g'nite | 10:19 |
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| mhb | nixternal: "gdebi-kde" is more consistent, as "gdebi" is the name of the command line tool and "gdebi-gtk" of the Ubuntu one | 11:55 |
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| mhb | nixternal: also, I dislike prefixing stuff with kde- or k- | 12:18 |
| xerosis | mhb: suffix is the new prefix ;) | 12:19 |
| Riddell | viviersf: pong (sorry, didn't notice) | 12:19 |
| mhb | nixternal: yeah, for me :o) | 12:19 |
| mhb | nixternal: I have a bad experiene with prefixes | 12:20 |
| xerosis | Riddell: is root not using the user's theme a real bug? | 12:20 |
| === Jucato notes that mhb should probably have directed the last 2 lines to xerosis | ||
| mhb | nixternal: I have known "pyuic" for weeks but J.R. had to tell me there's a "kdepyuic" that does the task better for KDE | 12:21 |
| === xerosis is nixternal at the weekends | ||
| mhb | Jucato: eh? | 12:22 |
| Jucato | nvm :) | 12:22 |
| mhb | Jucato: and you're who, Hobbsee? :o) | 12:22 |
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| Riddell | danimo: I don't get that, what's it for? | 12:24 |
| Riddell | xerosis: it's a wishlist bug | 12:25 |
| Riddell | nixternal: everaldo isn't one to follow licencing needs too strongly | 12:25 |
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| mhb | Riddell: if I understand correctly, that opensuse idea danimo sent a link to is about trying to use logon password for authenticating to kwallet | 12:28 |
| Jucato | mhb: are you guys still working on the grubconf app? | 12:28 |
| === mhb notes that Jucato should probably have directed the last line to xerosis | ||
| Jucato | :/ | 12:29 |
| === Jucato would have given a link to http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/QGRUBEditor?content=60391 but.. | ||
| mhb | Jucato: so yes, we are | 12:30 |
| mhb | Jucato: but by "we" I mean xerosis | 12:30 |
| Jucato | ok... not really sure who were involved anyway, all I know was you, abattoir_, and seele... anyway... nvm... | 12:31 |
| mhb | Jucato: it's me and xerosis now, basically | 12:31 |
| Riddell | mhb: oh, that would make more sense. I was thinking it used kwallet authentication to log in | 12:31 |
| === Jucato reads the link... | ||
| Jucato | danimo: is the English edition of your book still set to come out next month? | 12:33 |
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| mhb | Jucato: it's a nice app. Except for one tiny bit - the author didn't bother to check if somebody worked on such app before | 12:34 |
| Jucato | mhb: maybe. it's not a KDE app anyway. just stumbled on it a while ago. I thought you guys would be interested in seeing other implementations | 12:35 |
| mhb | Jucato: nah, we have the best :o) | 12:35 |
| mhb | Jucato: just kidding, but I'm guessing we're the only one with a backend and a frontend | 12:35 |
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| danimo | jonasp: yepp | 12:46 |
| danimo | args | 12:46 |
| danimo | he left | 12:46 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: back, sorry. I have the CD, but, what are the non-destructive tests I should do? | 12:58 |
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| danimo | jonasp: Riddell: it basically allows to unlock the users wallet from KDE | 12:59 |
| danimo | err | 12:59 |
| danimo | Riddell: it basically allows to unlock the users wallet from KDM | 12:59 |
| Riddell | danimo: but why have it locked at all? | 12:59 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: check CD, and boot live system | 01:00 |
| danimo | Riddell: because (a) kwallet suggests locking by password and (b) to avoid that anyone who can read the data on disc can easily read all passwords in the wallet | 01:00 |
| danimo | Riddell: don't you ever use password protected wallets? | 01:00 |
| Riddell | danimo: sure, all the time | 01:01 |
| mhb | danimo: will they merge that feature with upstream? | 01:01 |
| Riddell | although I set the password not to time out so it's only once per session | 01:01 |
| danimo | Riddell: still, what for? | 01:02 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: ok | 01:02 |
| danimo | Riddell: usually I lock in, wander away for a few mins, and see my startup is incomplete because e.g. knetworkmanager needs to unlock the wallet | 01:02 |
| danimo | mhb: not for 3.5, since 3.5 branch is currently closed | 01:02 |
| danimo | mhb: it's a definate good thing for KDE 4 though | 01:03 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I found the cause of bug #119969. Both solutions I can think of will be considerably tricky. | 01:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969 | 01:04 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I actually think that implementing the details view will be simpler, unless the QPushButton has a hide method. | 01:05 |
| manchicken | And even then just removing the button would be tricky. | 01:05 |
| mhb | manchicken: every QWidget had a hide method, doesn't it? | 01:06 |
| Riddell | manchicken: all widgets have a hide method | 01:06 |
| === manchicken didn't know that. | ||
| manchicken | I never had use for that before :) | 01:06 |
| Riddell | "Should be pretty simple." never say that about a bug :) | 01:06 |
| manchicken | Yeah. | 01:06 |
| manchicken | I'm going to edit that before anybody else sees how foolish it was :) | 01:07 |
| manchicken | You weren't supposed to see that :) | 01:07 |
| manchicken | Oooh, no such luck. No edit button. | 01:08 |
| manchicken | Oh well. | 01:08 |
| manchicken | I'll put my findings in the bug with much humility then. | 01:08 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: I'll be back in a couple hours and I'll tell you anything I find wrong... I need to go to school and pick up my exams :) | 01:09 |
| xerosis | mhb: have you heard if/when grub2 is going to be used? | 01:09 |
| mhb | xerosis: just gossip | 01:09 |
| xerosis | mhb: i read something in the gutsy forum about a grub2 problem | 01:09 |
| xerosis | that would make grub-config a bit useless | 01:10 |
| mhb | why so? | 01:10 |
| xerosis | isn't the format of the configuration changing completely? | 01:10 |
| xerosis | not sure, not looked for a while | 01:10 |
| xerosis | oh yeah, it has it's own GUI | 01:11 |
| mhb | y | 01:11 |
| mhb | xerosis: 0.97-20ubuntu7 | 01:11 |
| mhb | xerosis: that's the current version I have in gutsy | 01:11 |
| xerosis | i didn't think there were any plans but the thread just got me curious | 01:11 |
| === manchicken tries to fix the bug by changing the installer to use the adept::Browser class instead of adept::View | ||
| mhb | xerosis: there's https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GrubTwo | 01:13 |
| mhb | xerosis: but it has not been edited for a while | 01:13 |
| xerosis | mhb: the blueprint was deferred from feisty but it hasn't been accepted for gutsy... | 01:14 |
| xerosis | well if it doesn't get into gutsy, an gutsy+1 is indeed a LTS, at least grub-config willhave a good run :) | 01:14 |
| xerosis | also, it needs to be ported to KDE4 pretty soon... | 01:15 |
| xerosis | will try and get that done after we upload to KDE svn | 01:15 |
| manchicken | I'm wondering if I've got a unicode problem. | 01:20 |
| manchicken | I keep getting like \342\200\230variable\342\200\230 issues. Err, or are those color codes and Emacs is just munging them? | 01:21 |
| Mez | is kubuntu gutsy stable ish yet? | 01:23 |
| Mez | meh sod it, I'll upgrade anyways | 01:24 |
| xerosis | mhb: how's the madwifi svn holding up? | 01:24 |
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| manchicken | Mez: Very stablish. It gave me my suspend and resume back. | 01:29 |
| mhb | xerosis: I'm currently on wired net, so I don't know :o) | 01:29 |
| Mez | o_O lol | 01:29 |
| === Mez growls at kdesu | ||
| xerosis | mhb: bah, kop-out | 01:29 |
| manchicken | Mez: The only problem I'm seeing is that I think the version of emacs in gutsy may be having some unicode issues on its terminal-type modes. | 01:31 |
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| manchicken | Mez: And the klash kills my X server... but we suspect that that's an OpenGL issue... | 01:32 |
| Mez | klash ? | 01:32 |
| Mez | I dont use emacs | 01:32 |
| manchicken | Well you should ;) | 01:33 |
| manchicken | klash is the KPart for gnash... the Free Software flash player. | 01:33 |
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| manchicken | Sweet. I think switching adept_installer out to use the adept::Browser instead of adept::View for its preview widget may pay off. | 01:35 |
| mhb | is libqt4 in gutsy good enough for KDE4 to build? | 01:35 |
| manchicken | If it doesn't, I can always just use the browser in the background and put the child class of view in there :) | 01:35 |
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| manchicken | mhb: I've never had such luck, but Riddell will probably say yes :) | 01:35 |
| === Mez wonders whether adept will cope with an upgrade to gutsy | ||
| manchicken | Hell yeah it will. Adept rules. | 01:37 |
| Mez | lol | 01:37 |
| jjesse | morning | 01:37 |
| Mez | manchicken, it never has before ;) | 01:37 |
| manchicken | Riddell: bug #119969 is about to be marked squished. | 01:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969 | 01:38 |
| Mez | had to do manual upgrade && dist-upgrade && dselect-upgrade | 01:38 |
| manchicken | Mez: Yes it has. You just weren't enlightened enough to see it ;0 | 01:38 |
| serzholino | is it known issue that changelog view in apdept doesn't work when behind http proxy? | 01:38 |
| manchicken | ;) | 01:38 |
| manchicken | serzholino: Yeah. I was an idiot and didn't account for proxies when I put that in there. | 01:38 |
| Mez | manchicken, adept wont do a dselect-upgrade will it? | 01:38 |
| manchicken | serzholino: Can you make sure that there's a bug for that in launchpad? | 01:38 |
| manchicken | Mez: To be honest, I don't know that one. | 01:39 |
| serzholino | ok, i'll search for that and if there isn't i'll create one | 01:39 |
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| manchicken | Mez: I always manually dist-upgrade because I've **NEVER** had a successful upgrade happen in one command. | 01:39 |
| manchicken | serzholino: Thanks. Please assign it to me... manchicken. | 01:39 |
| manchicken | serzholino: I'll try and fix that one this cycle. | 01:40 |
| Mez | manchicken, hmm - lol | 01:40 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Oh, and by the way... it was pretty simple ;) | 01:40 |
| Mez | nor me - hence the dselect-upgrade ;) | 01:40 |
| manchicken | Mez: I always just sudo aptitude -f dist-upgrade | 01:41 |
| Mez | manchicken: sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade myself | 01:42 |
| Mez | watch this f**k up my sound settings tho | 01:42 |
| manchicken | Mez: My sound still works :) | 01:42 |
| manchicken | It worked out of the box. | 01:43 |
| Mez | manchicken, lol - probaly but i have everything wired through jack and someone decided to take jack support out of libasound-plugins so that it could be put in main | 01:43 |
| manchicken | Mez: Are you using ALSA? | 01:44 |
| Mez | manchicken, yes - in weird strange ways | 01:44 |
| manchicken | Mez: You may want to try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart when you have sound troubles. | 01:45 |
| Mez | an app outputs to alsa, which pipes it to jack, which pipes it to alsa which pipes it to the sound card | 01:45 |
| manchicken | WTF... alsa-utils doesn't seem to be in my /etc/rc2.d.... | 01:45 |
| Mez | this is why i have issues | 01:45 |
| Mez | or in amaroks case | 01:45 |
| Mez | amarok -> xine -> alsa -> jack -> alsa -> sound card | 01:46 |
| manchicken | Problem solved on that one. | 01:46 |
| Mez | i've pinned my version of libasound2-plugins though | 01:46 |
| Mez | manchicken, i have a strange strange sound setup ;) | 01:47 |
| manchicken | Mez: So what you're saying is that it's all your fault. :) | 01:48 |
| Mez | manchicken, nope, dholbach's fault for cutting out important code ;) | 01:48 |
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| manchicken | heh | 01:51 |
| manchicken | Riddell: The patch is on bug #119969 | 02:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969 | 02:24 |
| ScottK | nixternal: You would probably need to repack the orig.tar.gz to add the license file. Mithrandir made me do that once (it was on my first package ever) when upstream didn't have a license file. | 02:24 |
| Riddell | it's a bit dodgy adding a licence file yourself | 02:26 |
| manchicken | I suppose that depends. If it's just straight GPL, then what's the difference in who includes the copy of the GPL? | 02:27 |
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| manchicken | But I would think you need to be careful to make sure you're certain you've got the right one. | 02:27 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee!!! Thanks for cleaning up those nasty buggies for me. | 02:27 |
| manchicken | I'm still not quite sure how they got assigned to me :) | 02:28 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| Hobbsee | manchicken: no problem :) | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: you know that you can set statuses and whatnot? | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | as to why you got bugmial over them? | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | you're a contact of adept on LP i expect | 02:29 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: Yeah, I just wanted someone to double-check. | 02:30 |
| manchicken | I can't change the priority, and that's about it. | 02:30 |
| manchicken | No, two of those issues were actually assigned to me. | 02:30 |
| manchicken | The debconf and the wishlist one were both assigned to me. | 02:30 |
| manchicken | heh | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: ahh. i thought you could change the importance | 02:31 |
| manchicken | The wishlist one I think is actually fixed with Riddell's software-properties port. | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: or are you not in QA? | 02:31 |
| manchicken | Naw, I can't change importance. | 02:31 |
| manchicken | Nope, I'm not in QA. | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | for some reason i thought team contacts could as well. | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | to put it into line with the rest of the changes | 02:31 |
| ScottK | Riddell: In the case I did it, the program was clearly GPL, Mithrandir just wanted the full text in the package somewhere. It was a small Perl app and the GPL may have been longer than that application. | 02:32 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: Could you change bug #119089 to medium priority for me? I have seen several complaints about that one. | 02:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089 | 02:38 |
| manchicken | I would think that it's a pretty big issue as there is NO way to get developer changelog to respect proxies. | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | done | 02:39 |
| === ScottK will do it if Hobbsee hasn't. | ||
| === ScottK won't then. | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 02:39 |
| manchicken | Much thanks :) | 02:39 |
| ScottK | manchicken: You ought to apply for -qa. I expect it'd cost you less time to apply than it takes you to ask. | 02:39 |
| manchicken | ScottK: I don't work enough bugs. | 02:40 |
| manchicken | the only reason I'm working bugs now is because adept REALLY needs it. | 02:40 |
| ScottK | manchicken: You only need 5 to apply. | 02:40 |
| manchicken | Oh. | 02:40 |
| ScottK | Adept out to get you that many easliy. | 02:40 |
| manchicken | Gosh, I think I have that. | 02:40 |
| manchicken | I'll worry about that later. | 02:40 |
| ScottK | They should be 5 good ones. | 02:40 |
| manchicken | I've only got an hour and twenty minutes before I have to work and stop hacking. | 02:41 |
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| manchicken | Grumble... I know someone mentioned this, but isn't there a KDE class that just fetches a file from an HTTP host and gives you a stream? | 02:54 |
| Riddell | kio | 02:55 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Tribe 2 released! | ||
| mhb | finally | 02:57 |
| manchicken | What? | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | tribe 2 | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | ti's thursday. this was the scheduled day | 02:58 |
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| mhb | xdg-user-dirs are going to be in kubuntu by default as well, right? | 03:04 |
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| Hobbsee | mhb: say what now? | 03:04 |
| xerosis | mhb: already appeared on mine i think | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: no idea, hasnt been discussed. | 03:04 |
| mhb | xerosis: I have them here, but I have ubuntu-desktop as well | 03:05 |
| xerosis | i think i had them before i installd i-d | 03:05 |
| xerosis | *u-d | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | they havent been done by default | 03:05 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe2 | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | previously | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: yeah, i saw. i proofread that :) | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | but i didnt know there was talk of them for kubuntu | 03:06 |
| mhb | I didn't hear anything either | 03:06 |
| mhb | but it seems logical to have them, too | 03:06 |
| xerosis | maybe i only noticed them after i installed u-d then | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: how'd the kde stuff go? | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | the kdepim? | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: how did the crystal icons go? | 03:08 |
| xerosis | <nixternal> when Hobbsee comes back around (LongPointyStick), know that I have contacted the artist of Crystal asking if he can incorporate the license file, w/o it, we are dead in the water. So by the time I wake up, hopefully I will have some good feedback | 03:09 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: I'm still testing stuff. I haven't made a huge amount of progress (nothing to commit yet). Thanks to shawarma hitting me with a clue stick several times I'm finally on track to fix a vexious clamsmtp bug, so I got a bit distracted. | 03:09 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Do you know if KIO::get is asynchronous or not? | 03:10 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: way cool. | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: well done! | 03:11 |
| xerosis | the new crystal icons sure are nice | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | very... | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | i wonder how they handled that last time - although i guess the crystal icons were on kde.org last time | 03:12 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I'm guessing that since it has a progress info argument that it's asynchronous... | 03:12 |
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| xerosis | mhb: what was the difference between pyuic and kdepyuic? | 03:13 |
| Riddell | manchicken: it is | 03:14 |
| manchicken | Good :) | 03:14 |
| manchicken | They don't have any examples of this one. I'm wondering if it starts right away or if I have to call the start(Slave) method. | 03:15 |
| manchicken | And of course start(Slave) is undocumented. | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | proposed meeting next week, btw. | 03:15 |
| Riddell | manchicken: can't you use kfile | 03:15 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: mm, yes, lets | 03:15 |
| Riddell | oh, akademy week | 03:15 |
| Riddell | still, should be able to fit it in | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: got a preference of time? i'm on uni holidays now | 03:16 |
| Riddell | xerosis: one is for pyqt, one is for pykde | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: and there's a seriously cool, new icon set, that we should use for kubuntu, pre KDE4 | 03:16 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: any time wednesday before 21:00 UTC should be ok | 03:17 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I'm thinking of just using KIO::get()... but the thing is that I don't know if I have to start the job or not. My concern is that the fetch will start before I get a chance to connect to the data signal. I know it's VERY unlikely that I'll miss the data, but I don't like the uncertainty. | 03:17 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: well, check with kwwii before you get too excited about more crystal | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: will do | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | i'd like to see him at the meeting anyway | 03:17 |
| kwwii | hrm? | 03:18 |
| kwwii | crystal? | 03:18 |
| kwwii | which meeting? | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: can i pick a...1400 UTC or something then? | 03:18 |
| manchicken | Okay, I'm just gonna try calling start(). | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: welcome, from under the rock! | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: kubuntu meeting, and everaldo's done a really nice new crystal project theme | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: how's the artwork? | 03:19 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: no doubt, my wife has been sick - working and taking care f the kid full time is hard work | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: ouch! :( | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | sorry to hear that | 03:19 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: hmm, I don't like it that much | 03:19 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: we could use it in Gutsy but once kde4 is out I assume we'll use Oxygen | 03:19 |
| kwwii | his stuff is non-svg | 03:19 |
| Tm_T | :/ | 03:19 |
| kwwii | so we cannot simply make the icons we need without more effort | 03:19 |
| mhb | also very OS-X-ish | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: yeah, i was assuming it was kde4 | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 03:20 |
| kwwii | I would rather see us use tango before crystal | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | heh, fair enough | 03:20 |
| Riddell | gosh, them's fighting words | 03:21 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 03:21 |
| kwwii | that is the aggresive american coming out in me :-) | 03:21 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I've tried the Crystal project theme today... and, well. | 03:22 |
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| Hobbsee | :P | 03:22 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: could you please tell me what the Office icon in K menu is? It looks like a toilet to me | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: meh. fair enough. i can like it | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: looking. i'm not sure | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: it's a typewriter | 03:24 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: point is, the icons don't look that well when small | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | this is true | 03:25 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: also, there are several icons/symbols that are copied over from OS X | 03:25 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: the Settings K Menu icon, for example, or the Accessibility icon | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | maybe that's why i like it :P | 03:26 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I guess you like it because it's shiny :o) | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | yeah. i like shiny. | 03:27 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: we all know you like shiny | 03:27 |
| ShinyMonster | give...me...shiny..... | 03:27 |
| ShinyMonster | give...me...shiny.....now.... | 03:27 |
| ShinyMonster | must...have...shiny.... | 03:27 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: 14:00 is fine with me | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 03:31 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: have you seen my last night's hackish attempts? | 03:31 |
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| Hobbsee | mhb: -ELACKINGCONTEXT | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: hackish attempts at what? | 03:32 |
| marseillai | do we have XDG-user-directories in kubuntu too ??? | 03:33 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: http://bayimg.com/NAcAoaAbj and http://bayimg.com/KACdJAAbj | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | marseillai: not currently | 03:34 |
| marseillai | cool | 03:34 |
| marseillai | Hobbsee, do you know if we'll get this into kubuntu ? | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | marseillai: i suggest that gets discussed at the meeting | 03:35 |
| marseillai | oki | 03:35 |
| xerosis | i'm probably going to embarrass myself here: but how does konversation choose what colour a person's nick is? | 03:38 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: so, do you have more context now? What do you say? | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: looks very cool :) | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | xerosis: i believe by a super secret algorithm | 03:39 |
| === xerosis glares at Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | xerosis: it's something to do with either adding the number of letters, and %8, or the ascii sum of the letters, and %8'ing them | 03:40 |
| Hobbsee | i dont remember which | 03:40 |
| xerosis | oh, though it was something more meaningful :( | 03:40 |
| manchicken | Riddell: That patch I put up on the bug for 119969 was actually applied before I ran debian/rules apply-patches. | 03:40 |
| manchicken | Riddell: In case it gives you trouble. | 03:41 |
| manchicken | I think I have the proxy thing fixed, too. | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | xerosis: i believe that was the answer, when it was asked in #konversatoin | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | er, if it were spelled correctly | 03:42 |
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| xerosis | kdebase down to 465 bugs :) | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 03:49 |
| manchicken | Oh shit. | 03:49 |
| manchicken | I've got a namespace conflict with libapt-front and kio. | 03:49 |
| manchicken | I think I may have fixed it. | 03:55 |
| manchicken | Without patching KDE :) | 03:55 |
| manchicken | Is there an HTTP debugger program that anybody knows of for KDE? | 03:55 |
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| manchicken | Man I make good coffee. | 04:03 |
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| xerosis | Hobbsee: bug 70936, does that bug make sense? | 04:05 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 70936 in kdebase "No umount option on cdrom device icon in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70936 | 04:05 |
| xerosis | the fix provided doesn't work either | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | xerosis: i'm sorting out some harassment here, so... | 04:05 |
| xerosis | Hobbsee: no worries | 04:05 |
| manchicken | So how do you solve a problem when Qt says there's no such signal, when you see the signal being declared in kio/jobclasses.h? | 04:11 |
| manchicken | heh | 04:11 |
| manchicken | Oh, I bet it's because I gave it a null slave. | 04:11 |
| manchicken | That might do it :) | 04:12 |
| nixternal | mornin' | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 04:18 |
| manchicken | nixternal: Wuddup MOTU? | 04:21 |
| nixternal | I need to take the tv out of my room, staying up until 04:30 and waking up at 09:00 is no fun | 04:22 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 04:24 |
| manchicken | That's why I got the laptop out of the bedroom. | 04:24 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:26 |
| mhb | greetings from kde4 (close to) alpha2 | 04:31 |
| nixternal | I had people lovin' KDE 4 last weekend at Barcamp | 04:33 |
| nixternal | felt kind of sorry because it took away from the foresight guys :) | 04:33 |
| nixternal | my display was impromptu, and word got around that KDE 4 was on the projector | 04:34 |
| manchicken | It'd be nice if KDE4 was really ready for use :) | 04:35 |
| mhb | manchicken: no crash yet :o) | 04:36 |
| mhb | manchicken: (no X crash, that is) | 04:36 |
| manchicken | mhb: Oh? | 04:36 |
| manchicken | mhb: Is there a gutsy package I can play with? | 04:37 |
| manchicken | Is it possible to set it up with kdm to just have you log into KDE4 instead of KDE3? | 04:37 |
| manchicken | Without hosing your KDE3 setup? | 04:37 |
| mhb | manchicken: ask Riddell about packages, I guess | 04:37 |
| mhb | manchicken: and to the second question: of course there is | 04:37 |
| mhb | manchicken: you have separate .kde4/ and .kde/ dirs | 04:38 |
| manchicken | That's neat. | 04:38 |
| Tm_T | err, systemsettings doesn't have panel settings at all? | 04:38 |
| manchicken | Tm_T: Why not right-click on the panel? | 04:40 |
| manchicken | The point of systemsettings, IIRC, is to reduce redundancy in settings. | 04:40 |
| Tm_T | manchicken: what if panel is hidden too well? | 04:40 |
| manchicken | How well? | 04:41 |
| Tm_T | apparently user couldn't get it appear | 04:41 |
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| manchicken | That sounds like an interesting problem. | 04:41 |
| Tm_T | hiding button was behind another panel he couldn't get move/configure | 04:41 |
| manchicken | I have actually TRIED to get rid of the panel altogether before. | 04:41 |
| Tm_T | heh | 04:41 |
| manchicken | It's not very easy... | 04:41 |
| Tm_T | it's quite easy IMO | 04:42 |
| Tm_T | if you don't like it running at all, well, just quit it | 04:42 |
| === manchicken tries to install the kde4 packages... hoping that he isn't doing something that will result in data loss... | ||
| === Tm_T compile himself | ||
| manchicken | I'll trust packages :) | 04:48 |
| manchicken | I like to at leastpretend that JR knows what he's doing when he packages those :) | 04:48 |
| Riddell | remember to set the magic environment variables, and nothing much can happen to you http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php | 04:49 |
| manchicken | Riddell: After I install the packages, will KDE4 just show up in KDM? | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: ping? | 04:56 |
| Nightrose | pong Hobbsee | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: you're not in ubuntu-qa are you? | 04:57 |
| Riddell | manchicken: no, see bottom of page linked above for how to do so, although you may be better just using Xephyr | 04:57 |
| Tm_T | manchicken: it's not about trust, but packages are usually old already ;) | 04:57 |
| Nightrose | Hobbsee: no | 04:57 |
| Nightrose | why? | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: right. can you change importance of an amarok bug? | 04:58 |
| Nightrose | no sorry | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: as in, no time, or launchpad wont let you? | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | (trying to reproduce a bug in launchpad here) | 04:58 |
| Nightrose | launchpad wont let me I think - should I give it a try? | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | yes please | 04:58 |
| Nightrose | which bug? | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | any amarok bug that you like the look of | 04:59 |
| Nightrose | k one moment | 04:59 |
| manchicken | Riddell: mhb is using it as his DE right now. | 04:59 |
| manchicken | Thanks for that tutorial though :) | 05:00 |
| Nightrose | Hobbsee: no, sorry | 05:00 |
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| Nightrose | doesn't let me | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: excellent, thanks. | 05:00 |
| DaSkreech | Heya | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: can you access "wont fix" and "triaged"? like, will it let you set a bug to either of those states? | 05:01 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I'm a CRAZY man, no? | 05:01 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Running gutsy on my primary machine, now dabbling with KDE4? I must have lost my mind. I'm a crazy man. | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | gutsy on primary machines is fun. i dont even have a feisty install. | 05:02 |
| manchicken | My wife's machine is still on feisty. | 05:02 |
| manchicken | But gutsy is working better for me than feisty did. | 05:03 |
| DaSkreech | ANy idea why a bash session would take up 60% of my cpu ? | 05:03 |
| Nightrose | Hobbsee: no can't do that either | 05:03 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: Are you sure it's a session and not a script? | 05:03 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: oh nice. another laucnhpad bug | 05:03 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: Not fully but it has init as it's parent | 05:03 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: you're definetly a bug contact of adept? ie the bold box of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+subscribe is ticked? | 05:04 |
| Nightrose | Hobbsee: maybe it's just me not having enough rights | 05:04 |
| DaSkreech | I walked through all my visibile konsole tty and yakuake windows and see no scripts | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: you're correct. | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: you should have those rights. it's another bug in launchpad, it looks like | 05:04 |
| DaSkreech | it has no parents other than init, has no children, but takes up 60% of my CPU time | 05:05 |
| DaSkreech | /j kde | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: i presume you couldnt use wontfix or triaged either? | 05:07 |
| manchicken | Okay, what now? | 05:09 |
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| manchicken | I'm catching up. Gimme one second. | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: to triage adept bugs | 05:09 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 05:14 |
| manchicken | "I want to receive all bugmail from adept in ubuntu" | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | it's handy | 05:14 |
| === Hobbsee has that for a lot of sections of kde | ||
| manchicken | Okay, I'm gonna have to work for a little bit. Back in a little. | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | have fun | 05:15 |
| mhb | Riddell: are you (or anyone) building the KDE4 alpha2 packages? | 05:15 |
| mhb | Riddell: or is that early for that? | 05:15 |
| Riddell | mhb: I'm not yet, I don't know when the targetted release is | 05:16 |
| hunger | mhb: It does not even have a name yet. | 05:16 |
| Riddell | mhb: they need various supporting packages first, not all of which have releases (soprano, strigi, ..) | 05:17 |
| mhb | ah, okay | 05:17 |
| hunger | Riddell: I guess you got enough other stuff to do with akademy coming up, too;-) | 05:17 |
| Riddell | mhb: but I can get someone the tarballs if anyone wants to have a try | 05:17 |
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| mhb | Riddell: well, I know I'm not :o) I'm the clueless guy here when it comes to packaging | 05:18 |
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| hunger | Riddell: Will TT hand out deadly devices at this years akademy again? | 05:30 |
| === hunger wonders whether he will need to go and buy adapters for the plugs. You are using the UK wall sockets in Glasgow, aren't you? | ||
| manchicken | Okay, I'm gonna give KDE4 a whirl... | 05:33 |
| manchicken | Back in a minute... hopefully. | 05:33 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 05:37 |
| Riddell | hunger: no they aren't, we will be selling europe to UK adaptors at cost | 05:38 |
| hunger | Riddell: Great to know... I'll try to find some here then to get me through the night on friday:-) | 05:39 |
| hunger | Riddell: Thanks! | 05:39 |
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| manchicken | KDE4 doesn't like me. | 06:01 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:01 |
| manchicken | It won't even start for me. | 06:01 |
| mhb | manchicken: did you try the binaries? | 06:02 |
| sahin_h | Hi Kubuntu developers. I just found in the irc log my bugreport: https://launchpad.net/bugs/70936 | 06:02 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 70936 in kdebase "No umount option on cdrom device icon in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 06:02 |
| manchicken | mhb: That's what I'm running on. | 06:02 |
| mhb | manchicken: yeah, those are pretty old and unstable | 06:02 |
| sahin_h | I just realized the provided fix was eated by launchpad. | 06:02 |
| sahin_h | I'm going to update this bug report. | 06:03 |
| xerosis | sahin_h: oddly enough i was just looking at that bug | 06:03 |
| xerosis | sahin_h: oh you saw it, must read better | 06:03 |
| sahin_h | The fix which is provided by me is broked by launchpad. :-( | 06:04 |
| sahin_h | launchpad cut the end of my line... | 06:04 |
| nixternal | I want one of them KDE pillows sebas posted in his blog..that is way to cool | 06:04 |
| nixternal | actually I want a couple, they would complement the living room :) | 06:04 |
| manchicken | mhb: Well, update them :) | 06:04 |
| xerosis | sahin_h: i tried it even without the incomplete line and it turned mounted media into folders | 06:05 |
| manchicken | I really don't feel like compiling them all again. | 06:05 |
| mhb | manchicken: me? :o) I've never touched a package in my life | 06:05 |
| manchicken | I'll go ahead and live with 3.5.7. | 06:05 |
| manchicken | Isn't 3.5.8 out? | 06:05 |
| xerosis | mhb: just installed the madwifi svn, much better :) | 06:05 |
| manchicken | I don't know what the difference is though, so I suppose it doesn't really matter. | 06:05 |
| sahin_h | xerosis: The fix is works for me, I use it everyday. | 06:05 |
| sahin_h | See my update a little bit later... | 06:06 |
| xerosis | manchicken: you're the "adept guy" right? | 06:06 |
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| xerosis | manchicken: ignore me, going to try something | 06:08 |
| manchicken | xerosis: I should get it tattooed on my forehead, eh? | 06:09 |
| manchicken | heh | 06:09 |
| xerosis | manchicken: it sounded better in my head ;) | 06:09 |
| sahin_h | xerosis: I uploaded the fix (media_unmount.desktop) file to launchpad. https://launchpad.net/bugs/70936 | 06:09 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 70936 in kdebase "No umount option on cdrom device icon in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 06:09 |
| sahin_h | xerosis: This file works for me on Kubuntu Feisty | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | sahin_h: what concerns me about that is the question of "are users going to know the difference between eject and unmount?" | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | sahin_h: and how much is it a corner case of needing to unmount without ejecting | 06:11 |
| xerosis | and in what case would you want to unmount rather than eject? | 06:11 |
| xerosis | what Hobbsee said ;) | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | For example: I have a mounted CD-RW medium in the CD drive, and I would like to umount and refill with new data. | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | how much is it a corner case, that you'd do that? | 06:12 |
| sahin_h | xerosis: What about a mounted CD-RW, what I want to write with brand new stuff. | 06:12 |
| xerosis | no need to unmount to refill is there? | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | i know you need to unmount to partition - but to delete files, and add more? | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | if you're using, say, k3b, surely it should handle that in it's normal operations? | 06:13 |
| Hobbsee | i mean, it's job is to be a burner. surely, seeing as we're only talking about burning cds and such here that would require unmounting but not ejecting, the burner should control the mounting/unmounting | 06:13 |
| sahin_h | I'm just an old fashined Unix guy, so I always umount CD-RW media before I write brand new stuff on it. | 06:13 |
| sahin_h | I've never try to write a CD-RW wich has been mounted... | 06:14 |
| Hobbsee | try it, i'd like to know if it works | 06:14 |
| Hobbsee | at best, it sounds like a corner case | 06:14 |
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| sahin_h | Hobbsee: As you wish... Just give me time to test it. | 06:15 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 06:16 |
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| xerosis_ | gah sorry, did i miss anything? | 06:17 |
| Hobbsee | [02:12] <Hobbsee> i know you need to unmount to partition - but to delete files, and add more? | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | [02:13] <Hobbsee> if you're using, say, k3b, surely it should handle that in it's normal operations? | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | [02:13] <Hobbsee> i mean, it's job is to be a burner. surely, seeing as we're only talking about burning cds and such here that would require unmounting but not ejecting, the burner should control the mounting/unmounting | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | [02:13] <sahin_h> I'm just an old fashined Unix guy, so I always umount CD-RW media before I write brand new stuff on it. | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | [02:14] <sahin_h> I've never try to write a CD-RW wich has been mounted... | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | [02:14] <Hobbsee> try it, i'd like to know if it works | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | [02:14] <Hobbsee> at best, it sounds like a corner case | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | [02:15] --> rbrunhuber has joined this channel (n=rbrunhub@highway.mvi.de). | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | [02:15] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: As you wish... Just give me time to test it. | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | [02:16] <Hobbsee> :) | 06:18 |
| sahin_h | I use k3b for the test... | 06:18 |
| xerosis_ | [17:13] <xerosis> cd's can be erased, formatted, overwritted etc without an unmount | 06:19 |
| xerosis_ | [17:15] <xerosis> sahin_h: just tried the patch again, it still turns my CD into a folder | 06:19 |
| sahin_h | K3b just told me: The device is used by another application. However k3b is writing the CD now. | 06:19 |
| xerosis_ | if the device is in use, surely you wouldn't be able to unmout it anyway? | 06:20 |
| sahin_h | xerosis: Well the fix works for me... anyway if it a corner case it dosen't matter. | 06:20 |
| sahin_h | Ahh k3b reloaded the media before the actual write procedure started. | 06:21 |
| rbrunhuber | hi Hobbsee | 06:21 |
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| Hobbsee | hiya rbrunhuber :) | 06:21 |
| rbrunhuber | first hurdle passed. my presentation is over now. | 06:21 |
| sahin_h | We will see 3 minutes later... | 06:21 |
| xerosis_ | sahin_h: I've never unmounted a CD between writes so I think it should work | 06:22 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 06:22 |
| sahin_h | xerosis: Now I hope the same... Because k3b umounted the media before write it. | 06:22 |
| rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: Have to reboot now need an older kernel (2.6.20) to verify a ralink device is working. See you later (although dunno what time it is down under)? | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: 2.30am | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | cya :) | 06:23 |
| rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: so see you tomorrow then, sleep well :-) | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 06:24 |
| sahin_h | Hobbsee and xerosis: Ok. This is a corner case. No need to umount the CD-RW before write it again. K3b did the job. | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | sahin_h: cool. want to mark the bug as such? | 06:26 |
| sahin_h | Ok, I'm going to update. | 06:27 |
| sahin_h | Hobbsee: I updated the entry. Current status is invalid. Is it good status? | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | sahin_h: yep | 06:31 |
| sahin_h | Hobbsee: Ok | 06:31 |
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| sahin_h | I have another interesting bug for you. I submitted it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/109507 | 06:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 109507 in kdeutils "xorg eat 100% of the CPU when I use superkaramba and lock my desktop for a while ([apport] Xorg crashed with signal 5)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 06:33 |
| sahin_h | I saw lot of people confirmed it. | 06:33 |
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| Hobbsee | sahin_h: looks like an upstream superkaramba thing | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | ie, not something that would get fixed at a distro level | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | (seeing as they know the code, not us) | 06:37 |
| sahin_h | Ok. I see.. | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | how can you see if /usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/ is a KDE-only directory? | 06:41 |
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| sahin_h | I just translated the Kubuntu Tribe 2 announcement to Hungarian. Ok, this is not a full translation, just the changes in nutt shell. | 07:04 |
| sahin_h | My favorite part was: "Well, the Kubuntu team has decided to roll most of your multimedia dreams into..." | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 07:08 |
| mhb | hmm, can someone help me with directions? I'm trying to compile sebas' powermanager plasmoid and it always complains about "kde4_automoc", which I most likely have | 07:09 |
| mhb | and I'm not sure where to seek help | 07:09 |
| mhb | nothing in #kde, #kde4 is empty and I know how -devels get angry over build questions | 07:10 |
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| manchicken | I am loving everything about Kate, except for its lack of Emacs keybindings. | 07:26 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 07:26 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: ask in #plasma | 07:26 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: prety sure there is a set of keybindings somewhere that convert | 07:27 |
| xerosis_ | manchicken: i have --force-architecture installed a packaged only it's not found to install, any ideas? | 07:27 |
| manchicken | There is this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktexteditor+-+emacsextensions?content=21706 | 07:27 |
| xerosis_ | *to uninstall | 07:28 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: like they say - "it is not a support channel" | 07:28 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: that basically means "if you ask us about build failures, we're gonna be grumpy" | 07:28 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: techbase then? | 07:28 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: btw when you say you mostlikely have does that mean that you checked and you do indeed have it? | 07:28 |
| mhb | martin@blackbook:~/processing/kde/4/src/playground/plasma/engines/battery$ cmake --help-module-list | grep "automoc" | 07:30 |
| mhb | kde4automoc | 07:30 |
| jjesse | nixternal: just noticed that nixternal.com shows as for sale for 4 million dollars US | 07:34 |
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| xerosis_ | mhb: what changes does 'make last OS default' make in GRUB | 07:44 |
| xerosis_ | or rather, should | 07:44 |
| manchicken | Sweet. I think I just made a deb. | 07:49 |
| === manchicken just packaged. | ||
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| manchicken | Okay, so ktexteditor-emacsextensions kinda sucks. | 07:55 |
| manchicken | But I still learned how to package a bit. That's nice. | 07:55 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: helped? | 07:58 |
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| mhb | DaSkreech: partially | 07:58 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: advice given, but I'm not sure if it will work | 07:59 |
| mhb | xerosis_: it should make the last booted entry the default one | 07:59 |
| mhb | xerosis_: for the next boto | 07:59 |
| xerosis_ | mhb: i mean, what is the actual grub code/command | 07:59 |
| mhb | xerosis_: not sure now, check the docs :o) | 08:03 |
| xerosis_ | ah, found it | 08:06 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: it helped, thank god :o) | 08:06 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: heehee Don't forget a thank you | 08:06 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: too late :o) | 08:07 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: but thanks for the hint | 08:07 |
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| mhb | DaSkreech: well, it's just a big "powermanager" tray icon :o) | 08:10 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: I have to check if it works properly | 08:10 |
| ryanakca | hmm... is there supposed to be IPv6 support in the live CD? | 08:10 |
| DaSkreech | Well then I look forward to seeing your laptop die | 08:10 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: woah... can the resolution go any lower? It booted fine, IPv6 works, sound works, UXterm and Xterm are in the menu, both look the same, but I think I saw a bug report about that. OpenOffice Drawing should probably be moved to either Office or Graphics. I suppose $HOME/Examples/ , was removed due to space issues? | 08:29 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: installer works here (I only tested up to step 5). All apps seem to startup to, looks good :) | 08:32 |
| DaSkreech | Wasn't that just a link to a usr folder ? | 08:32 |
| ryanakca | DaSkreech: yep | 08:32 |
| ryanakca | DaSkreech: brb, rebooting | 08:32 |
| ryanakca | back | 08:48 |
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| toma | ola | 08:58 |
| ryanakca | hey toma :) | 08:58 |
| toma | I'm behind a breezy system right now. how can i get to something more recent? | 08:58 |
| nixternal | jjesse: yes it is for sale, I will take 3 million though of course :) | 09:02 |
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| nixternal | we have 3 million cicadas | 09:12 |
| mhb | nixternal: are you gutsing right now? :o) | 09:20 |
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| DaSkreech | mhb: Any good so far? | 09:45 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: what exactly? Gutsy? | 09:47 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: Gutsy's great | 09:47 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: Plasmoid | 09:47 |
| DaSkreech | Mez's gutsy kernel is segfaulting :) Still needs some guts :) | 09:47 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: it doesn't seem to reload well | 09:49 |
| xerosis_ | gah, i'm getting "skipping" music playback, where should i start looking for problems? | 09:51 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: great, thanks | 09:52 |
| nixternal | I just learned something...or was just made aware of. KDE was about before Gnome. I thought it was vice-versa | 09:52 |
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| xerosis_ | nixternal: gnome came about because of the QT licencing | 10:00 |
| Riddell | nixternal: KDE is the original and best | 10:03 |
| ScottK | xerosis_: In other words, the sole reason for Gnome's existence is gone, but yet it sticks around ... | 10:09 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: the KDE4 console is fun | 10:09 |
| Riddell | ScottK: :) | 10:10 |
| Riddell | ScottK: mostly I have people justify its existance now as being more friendly to proprietry software developers. which is ironic given it started because kde was to an extent proprietry | 10:10 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: whenever there's a: "someone@somewhere.net has quit" (on irssi), it thinks it's an email address and offers me to send an email | 10:10 |
| ScottK | Heh. | 10:10 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: (when I hover over the address) | 10:11 |
| Riddell | it's also a load of nonsense since far more proprietry apps are made with qt than gtk | 10:11 |
| mhb | having a business which wants to create proprietary software but refuses to pay anything for the libraries is a bit contradictive | 10:12 |
| mhb | they go for it because it's cheaper, I know :o) | 10:13 |
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| === ScottK wonders is Linus has sent any more Gnome patches in lately... | ||
| ScottK | is/if | 10:14 |
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| mhb | installing packages could be like putting files in a trash can | 10:17 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: now I know it is the original, I always knew it was the best :) | 10:18 |
| xerosis_ | mhb: like mac os? ;) | 10:18 |
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| mhb | xerosis_: yeah :o) | 10:19 |
| mhb | xerosis_: ubuntu is the new mac os... (just take a look at the Gutsy compiz-fusion desktop switching) | 10:19 |
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| jussi01 | Hello everyone. It was suggested in -motu that maybe someone here may be able to help me with this build problem. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27665/ if someone has a minute, would you mind taking a look? | 10:38 |
| Riddell | jussi01: is it a qt 4 app? | 10:41 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: I am not certain, however if i use qt3 it gives me many more errors | 10:42 |
| Riddell | probably a good idea to find out which first :) | 10:43 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: with qt3 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27654/ | 10:43 |
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| jussi01 | Riddell: the website just says trolltechs qt. WHat is the correct way to find out exactly what it needs? | 10:44 |
| Riddell | jussi01: sources available somewhere for me? | 10:45 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: http://qjoypad.sourceforge.net/#download | 10:46 |
| Riddell | jussi01: compiles for me with qt 3 | 10:49 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: quick Q. What are the check-in hours for the euro hostel? | 10:49 |
| Riddell | jussi01: i think you're just missing libtext, which is in libxtst-dev | 10:50 |
| Riddell | _Sime_: I'm assuming it's 24 hours | 10:50 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: which build deps would I then need? Im sorry for the "basic" question... | 10:50 |
| Riddell | jussi01: libqt3-dev libxtst-dev | 10:50 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: :) thanks | 10:50 |
| Riddell | actually libqt3-mt-dev | 10:51 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: ok, thanks. I should be in the neighbourhood around 9-10 in the evening. In time for the slosh-fest at the Campus bar. | 10:51 |
| Riddell | _Sime_: confirmed it, open 24 hours, from 15:00 on the day | 10:52 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: how does that work?? open 24 hours, just not in a row? | 10:53 |
| Riddell | _Sime_: as in you can check in from 15:00 on the day of arrival | 10:54 |
| Riddell | before that someone else might still be in the room | 10:54 |
| Riddell | and that could get embarracing | 10:54 |
| _Sime_ | ok, I've gotcha. | 10:54 |
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| jussi01 | Riddell: Im sorry to keep bothering you, but may I ask for a little more help? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27666/ | 10:57 |
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| Riddell | jussi01: line 49 is running "make install" but nothing has run "make" | 10:59 |
| Riddell | jussi01: also "make install" doesn't seem to be respecting DESTDIR=, so you may need to just cp the files manually in debian/rules rather than use make install | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm connected from home ! hehe :) | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | let's go with the network-mnager and the kdepim work | 11:00 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: CDBS is knocking me around. maybe i should go back to debhelper... | 11:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: holy guacamole. how long did that take? | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: 2 month :/ | 11:00 |
| Riddell | jussi01: I'd certainly recommend debhelper to a beginner (if nothing else it lets you understand what cdbs is doing but hiding away) | 11:01 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: yes, :) Although Im _trying_ to understand cdbs, having used debhelper several times now. | 11:02 |
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| Tonio_ | someone there ? | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | is it me or is kaffeine broken in gutsy ? | 11:36 |
| Riddell | works here | 11:36 |
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| manchicken | Adept is by far one of the hardest programs to debug. | 11:55 |
| manchicken | I have to run kdevelop as root in order to get its debugger to work. | 11:56 |
| mhb | manchicken: adept is (by far) the weakest link of Kubuntu, so ya better get debugging! :o) | 11:56 |
| manchicken | And forget debugging in gdb directly. Qt stuff is very tricky there. | 11:56 |
| manchicken | mhb: No, I think kpilot is the weakest link. | 11:57 |
| Arby | manchicken: anything I can do on the triage front to streamline the damage a bit? | 11:58 |
| manchicken | I've figure out what the problem is, it's just getting it to work now :) | 11:59 |
| Arby | fair enough | 12:00 |
| manchicken | Every time I make a change that I think will fix it I have to recompile restart kdevelop as root, run the debugger, try to figure out what went wrong this time, etc. It's just tedious. | 12:00 |
| Arby | I keep chipping away at that list but some of it's just beyond me | 12:00 |
| manchicken | It takes a lot of swimming in code to figure out adept. | 12:01 |
| manchicken | And I still don't know much of it at the lower level. | 12:01 |
| manchicken | The only things I ever really work on are UI code. | 12:01 |
| manchicken | I haven't touched any of the apt or dpkg interfaces. | 12:01 |
| Arby | well, I'll keep trying to weed out the junk for you:) | 12:01 |
| Arby | manchicken: while you're here, are tracebacks like bug 108286 any use or should they be closed unless the debug symbols can be provided? | 12:03 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 108286 in adept "Adept crash after updating" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108286 | 12:03 |
| Arby | I can't help thinking that there are quite a few reports like that which just seem useless | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: when is the freeze supposed to end ? | 12:04 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: this afternoon | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just fixed the kaffeine crash | 12:04 |
| Riddell | should be long since over | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ho great let's upload then | 12:04 |
| Riddell | kaffeine has a crash? | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yup | 12:04 |
| Arby | I'm trying to get my head around how to interperet those so I can triage them better. | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can you try to configure xine within kaffeine, sxegfault here, just repackaged removing the problematic patch, works | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's a problem do to the mess I've done by uploading the bad package version 2 weeks ago, hobbsee fixed, but the fix is only partial | 12:06 |
| Riddell | settings->xine parameters works for me | 12:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think it is a combinason of issues, with the xv part, the ati driver and so on | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the point is that I just reinstalled the current version, still fails, even on clean profile.... | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have been able to reproduce the problem on several machines.... | 12:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if you don't mind, I'll upload, as it fixes the problem I have seen and shouldn't break your configuration :) | 12:08 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: don't mind at all | 12:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, are there any emergencies ? my tomorrow's plan is to repackage the all kdepim, packaging is bad, and misses a lot of features | 12:09 |
| manchicken | Arby: Let me see what they've got in that one. | 12:09 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: did you do the kdm language stuff we talked about? | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes it is | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | +done | 12:10 |
| Arby | manchicken: well that was just an example but there are few of that type | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can confirm it works for me | 12:10 |
| Arby | manchicken: lots of missing debugging symbols and the kernel_vsyscall | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: was done with kubuntu-default-settings (1:7.10-5) | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | 2 weeks ago | 12:11 |
| Riddell | oh, cool | 12:11 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: hobbsee has most of the kde modules in bzr now under the kubuntu-members team | 12:12 |
| manchicken | Arby: See if you can replicate that issue using the info that Dima put up. | 12:12 |
| Riddell | you should try and commit to that | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: seen that, I'll push my packages there too | 12:12 |
| manchicken | Arby: If you cannot then that bug report gives us nothing usable. | 12:12 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I haven't been on the channel a lot due to connections problem, but I've done the stuff, you know :) | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if my tomorrow's plan succeed, we'll be the first linux distro released with a syncml compatible mail client out of the box :) | 12:13 |
| Arby | manchicken: OK, if I do reproduce it, what package provides debugging symbols for adept. | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I discovered kdepim now supports opensync, but the debian package still ignores this and only builds the old and crappy multisync part.... I'll try to change this | 12:14 |
| manchicken | I think we have a -dbg package for everything. Riddell, Tonio_, is that correct? | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: hey :) | 12:14 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: Wuddup homie? | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: will do your katapult thing tomorrow | 12:14 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: Cool. | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: yep I'm at home with an internet connection | 12:14 |
| manchicken | I thought about setting up my own repo, but then I remembered that I don't know how to package. | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: and therefore not obliged to watch one of those stupid tv show :) | 12:15 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: Nice. | 12:15 |
| xerosis_ | Arby: there are instructions for installing the -dbg packages on the wiki | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: learn ! | 12:15 |
| manchicken | I think "America's Next Top Model" is on tonight. What a great night for going out and drinking. | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: seriously, talking about coding, we need help on the kdesudo part, we just miss one functionality to be implemented to get is to replace kdesu perfectly.... | 12:16 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: Do packages have -dbg analogs in the repositories? | 12:16 |
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