[12:18] <Riddell> mhb: does it for me.  but you know how opinionated artwork can make people so do ask around
[12:24] <DaSkreech> UPstream?
[01:22] <mhb> Riddell: you're not awake, I presume
[01:24] <ScottK> What would you do if he said No?
[01:24] <Riddell> No :)
[01:25] <mhb> I would tell him "go to sleep, you deserve it"
[01:25] <mhb> "but before you go..."
[01:25] <mhb> http://bayimg.com/KACdJAAbj
[01:26] <Riddell> new knotify?
[01:26] <mhb> no, a child of KPassivePopup
[01:27] <Riddell> oh yes
[01:27] <mhb> a class which simply sets a different width and palette
[01:27] <Riddell> but did you change KPassivePopup or just in power-manager?
[01:27] <mhb> just a hack in power-manager
[01:28] <Riddell> fair enough
[01:28] <Riddell> I don't know anything else that actually uses KPassivePopup, since it's so ugly normally
[01:29] <mhb> KBluetooth perhaps
[01:29] <mhb> also, Kopete bubbles may be a type of KPassivePopup
[01:29] <mhb> but I'm not sure about that
[01:30] <xerosis> what's happening with knotify in kde4?not heard much
[01:32] <mhb> Riddell: now the kmilo OSD and we'll be consistent :o)
[01:40] <Riddell> xerosis: I've not heard much either
[01:41] <nixternal> knotify just got some qt4 love I think so far
[01:41] <xerosis> nixternal: does it look any better?
[01:41] <nixternal> probably not yet
[01:42] <xerosis> well, it can't be any worse...
[03:59] <pdenapo> Hello, I've been testing kubuntu 7.04
[03:59] <pdenapo> but it still has a serious bug
[04:00] <pdenapo> that has been reported a long time ago but it is not fixed
[04:00] <pdenapo> it cannot detect a serial mouse
[04:01] <pdenapo> I think is a serious issue for newbbies
[04:02] <pdenapo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/9068
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 9068 in xorg "Serial mice are not autodetected" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[04:02] <pdenapo> exactly
[04:02] <pdenapo> but something has to be done about it
[04:02] <pdenapo> advanced users like myself can edit the xorg. file by hand
[04:02] <pdenapo> and kill the X server process
[04:03] <pdenapo> but this is not acceptable for newbbies
[04:03] <mhb> pdenapo: you see, it's not Kubuntu's fault
[04:03] <mhb> pdenapo: because that bug is in Xorg
[04:03] <mhb> pdenapo: and we share the Xorg package with Ubuntu
[04:03] <pdenapo> but we can do something about it
[04:03] <pdenapo> we can provide for example
[04:04] <pdenapo> an option to select at boot time
[04:04] <pdenapo> for using a serial mouse
[04:04] <mhb> pdenapo: it can be fixed, no doubt about it. But the people in this channel are KDE package maintainers mostly.
[04:04] <pdenapo> I think it is an mdect problem
[04:04] <pdenapo> ah, OK
[04:04] <mhb> pdenapo: the #ubuntu-devel channel might help you more
[04:05] <pdenapo> thanks
[04:05] <pdenapo> I will try to discuss the issue there
[04:05] <pdenapo> sorry for creating noise, then
[04:06] <mhb> pdenapo: No problem - we just can't do much with your problem.
[04:10] <manchicken> Okay, it's hacking time.
[04:11] <manchicken> Riddell: Since I've been so roadblocked by the bzr branch of adept, I'm gonna just work off of the deb-src version.
[04:12] <manchicken> I've got a couple bugs that I'm going to try to squish tonight.
[04:36] <manchicken> I'm wondering if the dependencies in the deb-src for adept are correct.
[05:58] <nixternal> what is new and outstanding in Tribe 2 for us?
[05:58] <ajmitch> you!
[05:59] <nixternal> why thank you :)
[05:59] <nixternal> the gutsy-changes list wasn't getting updated due to the lp updates iirc
[06:00] <nixternal> gdebi-kde right mhb :)
[06:12] <manchicken> Adept has got to be one of the trickiest programs to debug.
[06:13] <nixternal> hehe
[06:13] <crimsun> manchicken: RE: your earlier statement about sound: some app is mucking with your mixer element(s).
[06:14] <manchicken> crimsun: Yeah... I know that my sound device is easily distracted, so I have the sound system lock it and hold onto the lock.
[06:14] <manchicken> sometimes it just seems like something gets to it first.
[06:15] <manchicken> crimsun: But gutsy is working quite nicely.
[06:15] <manchicken> The benefit of running the unstable development version is that you can hack without chroots ;)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> :grins
[06:22] <manchicken> guy*
[06:23] <DaSkreech> I naturally read that as GUI
[06:23] <DaSkreech> manchicken: have you used vigor?
[06:23] <manchicken> Nope.  I've used GNU Emacs though :)
[06:28] <DaSkreech> You do know that the vi guy is older right?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> so .. you have much less reason (and moral standing) to stab him
[06:35] <DaSkreech> ?me hugs Hobbsee
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Stupid Windows has my fingers fugged
[06:35] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech!
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:36] <ScottK> Good morning (for you) Hobbsee.  I got my kdepim branch finally today.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yay!
[06:39] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: now you know i dont stab people who hug me...
[06:39] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you survived last time
[06:39] <ajmitch> poke in ribs?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> no, no
[06:39] <ajmitch> true...
[06:40] <ajmitch> ok
[06:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:40] <ajmitch> not dead yet
[06:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i dont think it's morning here either
[06:40] <ajmitch> so what's up?
[06:41] <ScottK> Oh.  Sorry.
[06:42] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Good $TIME_OF_DAY to you.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: been doing release type stuff, etc.  it's fun!
[06:43] <ajmitch> lucky you
[06:44] <DaSkreech> !hobbsee
[06:44] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[06:45] <nixternal> ajmitch: I love working on a package, get it all ready, and bam, new upstream release, or Debian went ahead and released another version in the mean time
[06:46] <ajmitch> nixternal: this was both - I was working on samba 3.0.25a-2, so of course 3.0.25b-1 got let out
[06:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Sounds like me on Kubunutt unstable
[06:46] <nixternal> whooo, any goodness to the new release?
[06:46] <ajmitch> more bug fixes
[06:47] <nixternal> cool
[06:47] <DaSkreech>  by the time I do a apt-get update the smae packages I just updated have a new candidate
[06:47] <manchicken> Well, I suppose I have good and bad news...
[06:47] <manchicken> I found the cause of bug #119969.
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969
[06:47] <manchicken> That's the good news.
[06:48] <ajmitch> bad news is it requires a rewrite?
[06:48] <manchicken> The bad news is that it's gonna take some real work to get that details button wrking.
[06:48] <manchicken> Not a rewrite, but that button is bound to an event that goes OVER the river and THROUGH the woods to grandmother's house for manager and updater by using the adept::Browser widget.
[06:49] <ScottK> Bug complains about a useless button.  Removing the button also satsifies the bug, right ;-)
[06:49] <manchicken> But adept installer doesn't make use of adept::Browser, so the event gets lost in the forest.
[06:49] <manchicken> ScottK: Yeah, but I like making the button useful.  It is a useful button.
[06:50] <ScottK> Thus the ;-).  Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.
[06:50] <manchicken> Adept Installer uses the View class for the preview.
[06:50] <manchicken> Ah.
[06:58] <manchicken> I think I may have hacked it... though I fully expect some very strange behavior with this hack :)
[06:58] <manchicken> Nothing like sucking the marrow from one method for use in another :)
[06:59] <nixternal> hrmm, just noticed that the DigiKam 0.9.2 final release hasn't been uploaded yet
[07:02] <nixternal> same with k3b
[07:03] <manchicken> DAMNIT.  View is a QSplitter widget while Browser is a QWidgetStack widget.
[07:03] <manchicken> I don't even know what a QSplitter is.  I'll have to take this up tomorrow with JR.
[07:03] <manchicken> I'm gonna hit the hay to save some brain cells.
[07:04] <manchicken> Check you all later.
[07:04] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:05] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe2/Kubuntu
[07:05] <nixternal> that is what I have so far, nothing written up, but the updates listed at least
[08:04] <nixternal> now you can look at the page, there is content and pics! :)
[08:06] <DaSkreech> eeeeek
[08:07] <DaSkreech> s/GDebi/kDebi/g ummm k?
[08:08] <nixternal> GDebi-KDE
[08:08] <nixternal> it should be KDebi truthfully
[08:08] <nixternal> apt-cache show gdebi-kde
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Is it QT?
[08:08] <nixternal> yup
[08:08] <DaSkreech> ... why isn't it KDebi?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Ian got huffy?
[08:08] <nixternal> ask mhb, not me
[08:11] <DaSkreech> KDE GDebi?
[08:11] <Jucato> postfixing rather...
[08:12] <Jucato> software-properties-kde, hwdb-kde...
[08:12] <Jucato> ubiquity-frontend-kde
[08:13] <Jucato> oh it was hwdb-client-kde
[08:28] <Hobbsee> anyone else seen the new crystal icons yet?
[08:39] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I am using them
[08:39] <nixternal> they are really nice
[08:39] <nixternal> I love the speaker when you hit mute, although mute doesn't do anything for me with gutsy now ;(
[08:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: have you made a package for them?
[08:39] <nixternal> no I haven't...should I?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:40] <nixternal> roger that, will do
[08:46] <gnomefreak> nixternal: when are you going for motu?
[08:47] <nixternal> err, 27
[08:47] <gnomefreak> nixternal: congrats
[08:47] <nixternal> thanks
[08:48] <gnomefreak> i missed the meeting
[08:48] <gnomefreak> yw
[08:48] <nixternal> so did I, I woke up to it :)
[08:49] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:50] <gnomefreak> i dont think my repo counts to what they are looking for in packaging experience
[08:51] <nixternal> manchicken: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/(Kate)+FileTree+plugin?content=60026   <-- weren't you and I just talking about such a thing?
[08:51] <nixternal> well, you don't have to be the worlds greatest packager, motu is the stepping stone for core-dev, which I think is pretty cool
[08:54] <Jucato> congrats nixternal
[08:55] <nixternal> thanks
[09:01] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[09:03] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yes, you definetly should :)
[09:03] <nixternal> I definitely should what?
[09:03] <Hobbsee> nixternal: make a package for those.
[09:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: do you reckon that those rock harder than the oxygen ones?
[09:06] <nixternal> they are damn good no doubt. dunno where they stand against oxygen though, the oxygen color template I like better
[09:07] <Hobbsee> i prefer this colour template, for some reason.
[09:07] <Hobbsee> oxygen looks quite black and flat to me
[09:07] <Hobbsee> i'ts shiny - but it's very black too
[09:07] <nixternal> there are some that do ya
[09:08] <nixternal> I don't like the refresh button :)
[09:08] <nixternal> the orange and green arrow thing
[09:08] <Hobbsee> yeah...some of it is a little weird
[09:08] <Jucato> yeah...
[09:08] <Jucato> I don't like the new crystal's home button eitehr
[09:08] <Hobbsee> that was the other one
[09:09] <Jucato> I do love the "globe"-type icons... although they don't look like globes and sort of lose the icon metaphor
[09:09] <nixternal> Hobbsee: kde-icons-crystal
[09:09] <nixternal> it seems the old ones are a pacakge, should I just update that package?
[09:09] <nixternal> actually, those say something about being the "Connective Icon Theme" for the ones in our repo already
[09:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, they are different themes
[09:09] <nixternal> ya they are
[09:09] <Hobbsee> i'd probably do a kde-icons-crystal-project
[09:10] <nixternal> exactly :)
[09:10] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:10] <Jucato> ok nixternal, gest back to work! :)
[09:10] <nixternal> holy smokes, 21mb dl
[09:10] <nixternal> heh
[09:10] <nixternal> gest ya man
[09:10] <gnomefreak> are we expecting a 3.5.8 release for gutsy?
[09:10] <nixternal> *maybe*
[09:11] <Jucato> maaaaaaaaybe :)
[09:11] <nixternal> hehe
[09:11] <nixternal> they say it will be release in Sept I think, or maybe Oct...I do remember it is quite close to release time
[09:11] <Hobbsee> erk.
[09:11] <Jucato> I doubt they'd release October...
[09:11] <gnomefreak> nixternal: thats kde4 no?
[09:11] <nixternal> 3.5.8
[09:11] <Jucato> although I also doubt they'd release kde4 in october :)
[09:12] <nixternal> Jucato: they will
[09:12] <Jucato> we'll see :)
[09:12] <gnomefreak> 3.5.8 would be useless if it released same time as 4
[09:12] <Jucato> we've had our first schedule "adjustment"...
[09:28] <Hobbsee> xerosis: yes...we need to squish that bug
[09:28] <Hobbsee> the .kde being owned by root
[09:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: if this icon set doesn't come with a license file, should I create a patch that will create the license file?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's lgpl.
[09:50] <nixternal> gpl
[09:50] <Hobbsee> lgpl was what i read.  i'm not sure
[09:50] <Hobbsee> http://everaldo.com/crystal/?action=license
[09:51] <nixternal> yup
[09:51] <nixternal> so what does that mean then? it doesn't need the file?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> i'd probably put it in, and say
[09:51] <Hobbsee> "this comes from <address> "
[09:52] <nixternal> should I create a patch for it, or should I just go ahead and create the LICENSE file in the root directory? or do I just put it in the debian/ directory and add it to the docs file?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> not sure.  not sure
[09:53] <nixternal> hrmm
[09:53] <Hobbsee> ask in #ubuntu-devel
[10:11] <danimo> Riddell: http://idea.opensuse.org/content/ideas/integrate-kdm-with-kwallet
[10:11] <danimo> Riddell: looks interesting?
[10:14] <danimo> moin btw!
[10:19] <nixternal> when Hobbsee comes back around (LongPointyStick), know that I have contacted the artist of Crystal asking if he can incorporate the license file, w/o it, we are dead in the water. So by the time I wake up, hopefully I will have some good feedback
[10:19] <nixternal> g'nite
[11:55] <mhb> nixternal: "gdebi-kde" is more consistent, as "gdebi" is the name of the command line tool and "gdebi-gtk" of the Ubuntu one
[12:18] <mhb> nixternal: also, I dislike prefixing stuff with kde- or k-
[12:19] <xerosis> mhb: suffix is the new prefix ;)
[12:19] <Riddell> viviersf: pong (sorry, didn't notice)
[12:19] <mhb> nixternal: yeah, for me :o)
[12:20] <mhb> nixternal: I have a bad experiene with prefixes
[12:20] <xerosis> Riddell: is root not using the user's theme a real bug?
[12:21] <mhb> nixternal: I have known "pyuic" for weeks but J.R. had to tell me there's a "kdepyuic" that does the task better for KDE
[12:22] <mhb> Jucato: eh?
[12:22] <Jucato> nvm :)
[12:22] <mhb> Jucato: and you're who, Hobbsee? :o)
[12:24] <Riddell> danimo: I don't get that, what's it for?
[12:25] <Riddell> xerosis: it's a wishlist bug
[12:25] <Riddell> nixternal: everaldo isn't one to follow licencing needs too strongly
[12:28] <mhb> Riddell: if I understand correctly, that opensuse idea danimo sent a link to is about trying to use logon password for authenticating to kwallet
[12:28] <Jucato> mhb: are you guys still working on the grubconf app?
[12:29] <Jucato> :/
[12:30] <mhb> Jucato: so yes, we are
[12:30] <mhb> Jucato: but by "we" I mean xerosis
[12:31] <Jucato> ok... not really sure who were involved anyway, all I know was you, abattoir_, and seele... anyway... nvm...
[12:31] <mhb> Jucato: it's me and xerosis now, basically
[12:31] <Riddell> mhb: oh, that would make more sense.  I was thinking it used kwallet authentication to log in
[12:33] <Jucato> danimo: is the English edition of your book still set to come out next month?
[12:34] <mhb> Jucato: it's a nice app. Except for one tiny bit - the author didn't bother to check if somebody worked on such app before
[12:35] <Jucato> mhb: maybe. it's not a KDE app anyway. just stumbled on it a while ago. I thought you guys would be interested in seeing other implementations
[12:35] <mhb> Jucato: nah, we have the best :o)
[12:35] <mhb> Jucato: just kidding, but I'm guessing we're the only one with a backend and a frontend
[12:46] <danimo> jonasp: yepp
[12:46] <danimo> args
[12:46] <danimo> he left
[12:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: back, sorry. I have the CD, but, what are the non-destructive tests I should do?
[12:59] <danimo> jonasp: Riddell: it basically allows to unlock the users wallet from KDE
[12:59] <danimo> err
[12:59] <danimo> Riddell:  it basically allows to unlock the users wallet from KDM
[12:59] <Riddell> danimo: but why have it locked at all?
[01:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: check CD, and boot live system
[01:00] <danimo> Riddell: because (a) kwallet suggests locking by password and (b) to avoid that anyone who can read the data on disc can easily read all passwords in the wallet
[01:00] <danimo> Riddell: don't you ever use password protected wallets?
[01:01] <Riddell> danimo: sure, all the time
[01:01] <mhb> danimo: will they merge that feature with upstream?
[01:01] <Riddell> although I set the password not to time out so it's only once per session
[01:02] <danimo> Riddell: still, what for?
[01:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok
[01:02] <danimo> Riddell: usually I lock in, wander away for a few mins, and see my startup is incomplete because e.g. knetworkmanager needs to unlock the wallet
[01:02] <danimo> mhb: not for 3.5, since 3.5 branch is currently closed
[01:03] <danimo> mhb: it's a definate good thing for KDE 4 though
[01:04] <manchicken> Riddell: I found the cause of bug #119969.  Both solutions I can think of will be considerably tricky.
[01:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969
[01:05] <manchicken> Riddell: I actually think that implementing the details view will be simpler, unless the QPushButton has a hide method.
[01:05] <manchicken> And even then just removing the button would be tricky.
[01:06] <mhb> manchicken: every QWidget had a hide method, doesn't it?
[01:06] <Riddell> manchicken: all widgets have a hide method
[01:06] <manchicken> I never had use for that before :)
[01:06] <Riddell> "Should be pretty simple." never say that about a bug :)
[01:06] <manchicken> Yeah.
[01:07] <manchicken> I'm going to edit that before anybody else sees how foolish it was :)
[01:07] <manchicken> You weren't supposed to see that :)
[01:08] <manchicken> Oooh, no such luck.  No edit button.
[01:08] <manchicken> Oh well.
[01:08] <manchicken> I'll put my findings in the bug with much humility then.
[01:09] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'll be back in a couple hours and I'll tell you anything I find wrong... I need to go to school and pick up my exams :)
[01:09] <xerosis> mhb: have you heard if/when grub2 is going to be used?
[01:09] <mhb> xerosis: just gossip
[01:09] <xerosis> mhb: i read something in the gutsy forum about a grub2 problem
[01:10] <xerosis> that would make grub-config a bit useless
[01:10] <mhb> why so?
[01:10] <xerosis> isn't the format of the configuration changing completely?
[01:10] <xerosis> not sure, not looked for a while
[01:11] <xerosis> oh yeah, it has it's own GUI
[01:11] <mhb> y
[01:11] <mhb> xerosis: 0.97-20ubuntu7
[01:11] <mhb> xerosis: that's the current version I have in gutsy
[01:11] <xerosis> i didn't think there were any plans but the thread just got me curious
[01:13] <mhb> xerosis: there's https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GrubTwo
[01:13] <mhb> xerosis: but it has not been edited for a while
[01:14] <xerosis> mhb: the blueprint was deferred from feisty but it hasn't been accepted for gutsy...
[01:14] <xerosis> well if it doesn't get into gutsy, an gutsy+1 is indeed a LTS, at least grub-config willhave a good run :)
[01:15] <xerosis> also, it needs to be ported to KDE4 pretty soon...
[01:15] <xerosis> will try and get that done after we upload to KDE svn
[01:20] <manchicken> I'm wondering if I've got a unicode problem.
[01:21] <manchicken> I keep getting like \342\200\230variable\342\200\230 issues.  Err, or are those color codes and Emacs is just munging them?
[01:23] <Mez> is kubuntu gutsy stable ish yet?
[01:24] <Mez> meh sod it, I'll upgrade anyways
[01:24] <xerosis> mhb: how's the madwifi svn holding up?
[01:29] <manchicken> Mez: Very stablish.  It gave me my suspend and resume back.
[01:29] <mhb> xerosis: I'm currently on wired net, so I don't know :o)
[01:29] <Mez> o_O lol
[01:29] <xerosis> mhb: bah, kop-out
[01:31] <manchicken> Mez:  The only problem I'm seeing is that I think the version of emacs in gutsy may be having some unicode issues on its terminal-type modes.
[01:32] <manchicken> Mez: And the klash kills my X server... but we suspect that that's an OpenGL issue...
[01:32] <Mez> klash ?
[01:32] <Mez> I dont use emacs
[01:33] <manchicken> Well you should ;)
[01:33] <manchicken> klash is the KPart for gnash... the Free Software flash player.
[01:35] <manchicken> Sweet.  I think switching adept_installer out to use the adept::Browser instead of adept::View for its preview widget may pay off.
[01:35] <mhb> is libqt4 in gutsy good enough for KDE4 to build?
[01:35] <manchicken> If it doesn't, I can always just use the browser in the background and put the child class of view in there :)
[01:35] <manchicken> mhb: I've never had such luck, but Riddell will probably say yes :)
[01:37] <manchicken> Hell yeah it will.  Adept rules.
[01:37] <Mez> lol
[01:37] <jjesse> morning
[01:37] <Mez> manchicken, it never has before ;)
[01:38] <manchicken> Riddell: bug #119969 is about to be marked squished.
[01:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969
[01:38] <Mez> had to do manual upgrade && dist-upgrade && dselect-upgrade
[01:38] <manchicken> Mez: Yes it has.  You just weren't enlightened enough to see it ;0
[01:38] <serzholino> is it known issue that changelog view in apdept doesn't work when behind http proxy?
[01:38] <manchicken> ;)
[01:38] <manchicken> serzholino: Yeah.  I was an idiot and didn't account for proxies when I put that in there.
[01:38] <Mez> manchicken, adept wont do a dselect-upgrade will it?
[01:38] <manchicken> serzholino: Can you make sure that there's a bug for that in launchpad?
[01:39] <manchicken> Mez: To be honest, I don't know that one.
[01:39] <serzholino> ok, i'll search for that and if there isn't i'll create one
[01:39] <manchicken> Mez: I always manually dist-upgrade because I've **NEVER** had a successful upgrade happen in one command.
[01:39] <manchicken> serzholino: Thanks. Please assign it to me... manchicken.
[01:40] <manchicken> serzholino: I'll try and fix that one this cycle.
[01:40] <Mez> manchicken, hmm - lol
[01:40] <manchicken> Riddell: Oh, and by the way... it was pretty simple ;)
[01:40] <Mez> nor me - hence the dselect-upgrade ;)
[01:41] <manchicken> Mez: I always just sudo aptitude -f dist-upgrade
[01:42] <Mez> manchicken: sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade myself
[01:42] <Mez> watch this f**k up my sound settings tho
[01:42] <manchicken> Mez: My sound still works :)
[01:43] <manchicken> It worked out of the box.
[01:43] <Mez> manchicken, lol - probaly but i have everything wired through jack and someone decided to take jack support out of libasound-plugins so that it could be put in main
[01:44] <manchicken> Mez: Are you using ALSA?
[01:44] <Mez> manchicken, yes - in weird strange ways
[01:45] <manchicken> Mez: You may want to try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart when you have sound troubles.
[01:45] <Mez> an app outputs to alsa, which pipes it to jack, which pipes it to alsa which pipes it to the sound card
[01:45] <manchicken> WTF... alsa-utils doesn't seem to be in my /etc/rc2.d....
[01:45] <Mez> this is why i have issues
[01:45] <Mez> or in amaroks case
[01:46] <Mez> amarok -> xine -> alsa -> jack -> alsa -> sound card
[01:46] <manchicken> Problem solved on that one.
[01:46] <Mez> i've pinned my version of libasound2-plugins though
[01:47] <Mez> manchicken, i have a strange strange sound setup ;)
[01:48] <manchicken> Mez: So what you're saying is that it's all your fault. :)
[01:48] <Mez> manchicken, nope, dholbach's fault for cutting out important code ;)
[01:51] <manchicken> heh
[02:24] <manchicken> Riddell: The patch is on bug #119969
[02:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969
[02:24] <ScottK> nixternal: You would probably need to repack the orig.tar.gz to add the license file.  Mithrandir made me do that once (it was on my first package ever) when upstream didn't have a license file.
[02:26] <Riddell> it's a bit dodgy adding a licence file yourself
[02:27] <manchicken> I suppose that depends.  If it's just straight GPL, then what's the difference in who includes the copy of the GPL?
[02:27] <manchicken> But I would think you need to be careful to make sure you're certain you've got the right one.
[02:27] <manchicken> Hobbsee!!!  Thanks for cleaning up those nasty buggies for me.
[02:28] <manchicken> I'm still not quite sure how they got assigned to me :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> manchicken: no problem :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you know that you can set statuses and whatnot?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> as to why you got bugmial over them?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> you're a contact of adept on LP i expect
[02:30] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Yeah, I just wanted someone to double-check.
[02:30] <manchicken> I can't change the priority, and that's about it.
[02:30] <manchicken> No, two of those issues were actually assigned to me.
[02:30] <manchicken> The debconf and the wishlist one were both assigned to me.
[02:30] <manchicken> heh
[02:31] <Hobbsee> manchicken: ahh.  i thought you could change the importance
[02:31] <manchicken> The wishlist one I think is actually fixed with Riddell's software-properties port.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> manchicken: or are you not in QA?
[02:31] <manchicken> Naw, I can't change importance.
[02:31] <manchicken> Nope, I'm not in QA.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> for some reason i thought team contacts could as well.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> to put it into line with the rest of the changes
[02:32] <ScottK> Riddell: In the case I did it, the program was clearly GPL, Mithrandir just wanted the full text in the package somewhere.  It was a small Perl app and the GPL may have been longer than that application.
[02:38] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Could you change bug #119089 to medium priority for me?  I have seen several complaints about that one.
[02:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089
[02:38] <manchicken> I would think that it's a pretty big issue as there is NO way to get developer changelog to respect proxies.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> done
[02:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:39] <manchicken> Much thanks :)
[02:39] <ScottK> manchicken: You ought to apply for -qa.  I expect it'd cost you less time to apply than it takes you to ask.
[02:40] <manchicken> ScottK: I don't work enough bugs.
[02:40] <manchicken> the only reason I'm working bugs now is because adept REALLY needs it.
[02:40] <ScottK> manchicken: You only need 5 to apply.
[02:40] <manchicken> Oh.
[02:40] <ScottK> Adept out to get you that many easliy.
[02:40] <manchicken> Gosh, I think I have that.
[02:40] <manchicken> I'll worry about that later.
[02:40] <ScottK> They should be 5 good ones.
[02:41] <manchicken> I've only got an hour and twenty minutes before I have to work and stop hacking.
[02:54] <manchicken> Grumble... I know someone mentioned this, but isn't there a KDE class that just fetches a file from an HTTP host and gives you a stream?
[02:55] <Riddell> kio
[02:57] <mhb> finally
[02:57] <manchicken> What?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> tribe 2
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ti's thursday.  this was the scheduled day
[03:04] <mhb> xdg-user-dirs are going to be in kubuntu by default as well, right?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> mhb: say what now?
[03:04] <xerosis> mhb: already appeared on mine i think
[03:04] <Hobbsee> mhb: no idea, hasnt been discussed.
[03:05] <mhb> xerosis: I have them here, but I have ubuntu-desktop as well
[03:05] <xerosis> i think i had them before i installd i-d
[03:05] <xerosis> *u-d
[03:05] <Hobbsee> they havent been done by default
[03:05] <mhb> Hobbsee: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe2
[03:05] <Hobbsee> previously
[03:05] <Hobbsee> mhb: yeah, i saw.  i proofread that :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> but i didnt know there was talk of them for kubuntu
[03:06] <mhb> I didn't hear anything either
[03:06] <mhb> but it seems logical to have them, too
[03:06] <xerosis> maybe i only noticed them after i installed u-d then
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ScottK: how'd the kde stuff go?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> the kdepim?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: how did the crystal icons go?
 when Hobbsee comes back around (LongPointyStick), know that I have contacted the artist of Crystal asking if he can incorporate the license file, w/o it, we are dead in the water. So by the time I wake up, hopefully I will have some good feedback
[03:09] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'm still testing stuff.  I haven't made a huge amount of progress (nothing to commit yet).  Thanks to shawarma hitting me with a clue stick several times I'm finally on track to fix a vexious clamsmtp bug, so I got a bit distracted.
[03:10] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you know if KIO::get is asynchronous or not?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: way cool.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK: well done!
[03:11] <xerosis> the new crystal icons sure are nice
[03:11] <Hobbsee> very...
[03:12] <Hobbsee> i wonder how they handled that last time - although i guess the crystal icons were on kde.org last time
[03:12] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm guessing that since it has a progress info argument that it's asynchronous...
[03:13] <xerosis> mhb: what was the difference between pyuic and kdepyuic?
[03:14] <Riddell> manchicken: it is
[03:14] <manchicken> Good :)
[03:15] <manchicken> They don't have any examples of this one.  I'm wondering if it starts right away or if I have to call the start(Slave) method.
[03:15] <manchicken> And of course start(Slave) is undocumented.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> proposed meeting next week, btw.
[03:15] <Riddell> manchicken: can't you use kfile
[03:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: mm, yes, lets
[03:15] <Riddell> oh, akademy week
[03:15] <Riddell> still, should be able to fit it in
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: got a preference of time?  i'm on uni holidays now
[03:16] <Riddell> xerosis: one is for pyqt, one is for pykde
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and there's a seriously cool, new icon set, that we should use for kubuntu, pre KDE4
[03:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: any time wednesday before 21:00 UTC should be ok
[03:17] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm thinking of just using KIO::get()... but the thing is that I don't know if I have to start the job or not.  My concern is that the fetch will start before I get a chance to connect to the data signal.  I know it's VERY unlikely that I'll miss the data, but I don't like the uncertainty.
[03:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well, check with kwwii before you get too excited about more crystal
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: will do
[03:17] <Hobbsee> i'd like to see him at the meeting anyway
[03:18] <kwwii> hrm?
[03:18] <kwwii> crystal?
[03:18] <kwwii> which meeting?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can i pick a...1400 UTC or something then?
[03:18] <manchicken> Okay, I'm just gonna try calling start().
[03:18] <Hobbsee> kwwii: welcome, from under the rock!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> kwwii: kubuntu meeting, and everaldo's done a really nice new crystal project theme
[03:19] <Hobbsee> kwwii: how's the artwork?
[03:19] <kwwii> Hobbsee: no doubt, my wife has been sick - working and taking care f the kid full time is hard work
[03:19] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ouch!  :(
[03:19] <Hobbsee> sorry to hear that
[03:19] <mhb> Hobbsee: hmm, I don't like it that much
[03:19] <kwwii> Hobbsee: we could use it in Gutsy but once kde4 is out I assume we'll use Oxygen
[03:19] <kwwii> his stuff is non-svg
[03:19] <Tm_T> :/
[03:19] <kwwii> so we cannot simply make the icons we need without more effort
[03:19] <mhb> also very OS-X-ish
[03:20] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yeah, i was assuming it was kde4
[03:20] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:20] <kwwii> I would rather see us use tango before crystal
[03:20] <Hobbsee> heh, fair enough
[03:21] <Riddell> gosh, them's fighting words
[03:21] <kwwii> ;-)
[03:21] <kwwii> that is the aggresive american coming out in me :-)
[03:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: I've tried the Crystal project theme today... and, well.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: could you please tell me what the Office icon in K menu is? It looks like a toilet to me
[03:22] <Hobbsee> mhb: meh.  fair enough.  i can like it
[03:24] <Hobbsee> mhb: looking.  i'm not sure
[03:24] <Hobbsee> mhb: it's a typewriter
[03:25] <mhb> Hobbsee: point is, the icons don't look that well when small
[03:25] <Hobbsee> this is true
[03:25] <mhb> Hobbsee: also, there are several icons/symbols that are copied over from OS X
[03:26] <mhb> Hobbsee: the Settings K Menu icon, for example, or the Accessibility icon
[03:26] <Hobbsee> maybe that's why i like it :P
[03:27] <mhb> Hobbsee: I guess you like it because it's shiny :o)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> yeah.   i like shiny.
[03:27] <mhb> Hobbsee: we all know you like shiny
[03:27] <ShinyMonster> give...me...shiny.....
[03:27] <ShinyMonster> give...me...shiny.....now....
[03:27] <ShinyMonster> must...have...shiny....
[03:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 14:00 is fine with me
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ok
[03:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: have you seen my last night's hackish attempts?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> mhb: -ELACKINGCONTEXT
[03:32] <Hobbsee> mhb: hackish attempts at what?
[03:33] <marseillai> do we have XDG-user-directories in kubuntu too ???
[03:34] <mhb> Hobbsee: http://bayimg.com/NAcAoaAbj and http://bayimg.com/KACdJAAbj
[03:34] <Hobbsee> marseillai: not currently
[03:34] <marseillai> cool
[03:35] <marseillai> Hobbsee, do you know if we'll get this into kubuntu ?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> marseillai: i suggest that gets discussed at the meeting
[03:35] <marseillai> oki
[03:38] <xerosis> i'm probably going to embarrass myself here: but how does konversation choose what colour a person's nick is?
[03:39] <mhb> Hobbsee: so, do you have more context now? What do you say?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> mhb: looks very cool :)
[03:39] <Hobbsee> xerosis: i believe by a super secret algorithm
[03:40] <Hobbsee> xerosis: it's something to do with either adding the number of letters, and %8, or the ascii sum of the letters, and %8'ing them
[03:40] <Hobbsee> i dont remember which
[03:40] <xerosis> oh, though it was something more meaningful :(
[03:40] <manchicken> Riddell: That patch I put up on the bug for 119969 was actually applied before I ran debian/rules apply-patches.
[03:41] <manchicken> Riddell: In case it gives you trouble.
[03:41] <manchicken> I think I have the proxy thing fixed, too.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> xerosis: i believe that was the answer, when it was asked in #konversatoin
[03:42] <Hobbsee> er, if it were spelled correctly
[03:45] <xerosis> kdebase down to 465 bugs :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:49] <manchicken> Oh shit.
[03:49] <manchicken> I've got a namespace conflict with libapt-front and kio.
[03:55] <manchicken> I think I may have fixed it.
[03:55] <manchicken> Without patching KDE :)
[03:55] <manchicken> Is there an HTTP debugger program that anybody knows of for KDE?
[04:03] <manchicken> Man I make good coffee.
[04:05] <xerosis> Hobbsee: bug 70936, does that bug make sense?
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70936 in kdebase "No umount option on cdrom device icon in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70936
[04:05] <xerosis> the fix provided doesn't work either
[04:05] <Hobbsee> xerosis: i'm sorting out some harassment here, so...
[04:05] <xerosis> Hobbsee: no worries
[04:11] <manchicken> So how do you solve a problem when Qt says there's no such signal, when you see the signal being declared in kio/jobclasses.h?
[04:11] <manchicken> heh
[04:11] <manchicken> Oh, I bet it's because I gave it a null slave.
[04:12] <manchicken> That might do it :)
[04:17] <nixternal> mornin'
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hiya
[04:21] <manchicken> nixternal: Wuddup MOTU?
[04:22] <nixternal> I need to take the tv out of my room, staying up until 04:30 and waking up at 09:00 is no fun
[04:24] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:24] <manchicken> That's why I got the laptop out of the bedroom.
[04:26] <nixternal> hehe
[04:31] <mhb> greetings from kde4 (close to) alpha2
[04:33] <nixternal> I had people lovin' KDE 4 last weekend at Barcamp
[04:33] <nixternal> felt kind of sorry because it took away from the foresight guys :)
[04:34] <nixternal> my display was impromptu, and word got around that KDE 4 was on the projector
[04:35] <manchicken> It'd be nice if KDE4 was really ready for use :)
[04:36] <mhb> manchicken: no crash yet :o)
[04:36] <mhb> manchicken: (no X crash, that is)
[04:36] <manchicken> mhb: Oh?
[04:37] <manchicken> mhb: Is there a gutsy package I can play with?
[04:37] <manchicken> Is it possible to set it up with kdm to just have you log into KDE4 instead of KDE3?
[04:37] <manchicken> Without hosing your KDE3 setup?
[04:37] <mhb> manchicken: ask Riddell about packages, I guess
[04:37] <mhb> manchicken: and to the second question: of course there is
[04:38] <mhb> manchicken: you have separate .kde4/ and .kde/ dirs
[04:38] <manchicken> That's neat.
[04:38] <Tm_T> err, systemsettings doesn't have panel settings at all?
[04:40] <manchicken> Tm_T: Why not right-click on the panel?
[04:40] <manchicken> The point of systemsettings, IIRC, is to reduce redundancy in settings.
[04:40] <Tm_T> manchicken: what if panel is hidden too well?
[04:41] <manchicken> How well?
[04:41] <Tm_T> apparently user couldn't get it appear
[04:41] <manchicken> That sounds like an interesting problem.
[04:41] <Tm_T> hiding button was behind another panel he couldn't get move/configure
[04:41] <manchicken> I have actually TRIED to get rid of the panel altogether before.
[04:41] <Tm_T> heh
[04:41] <manchicken> It's not very easy...
[04:42] <Tm_T> it's quite easy IMO
[04:42] <Tm_T> if you don't like it running at all, well, just quit it
[04:48] <manchicken> I'll trust packages :)
[04:48] <manchicken> I like to at leastpretend that JR knows what he's doing when he packages those :)
[04:49] <Riddell> remember to set the magic environment variables, and nothing much can happen to you http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php
[04:56] <manchicken> Riddell: After I install the packages, will KDE4 just show up in KDM?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: ping?
[04:57] <Nightrose> pong Hobbsee
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: you're not in ubuntu-qa are you?
[04:57] <Riddell> manchicken: no, see bottom of page linked above for how to do so, although you may be better just using Xephyr
[04:57] <Tm_T> manchicken: it's not about trust, but packages are usually old already ;)
[04:57] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: no
[04:58] <Nightrose> why?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: right.  can you change importance of an amarok bug?
[04:58] <Nightrose> no sorry
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: as in, no time, or launchpad wont let you?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> (trying to reproduce a bug in launchpad here)
[04:58] <Nightrose> launchpad wont let me I think - should I give it a try?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> yes please
[04:58] <Nightrose> which bug?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> any amarok bug that you like the look of
[04:59] <Nightrose> k one moment
[04:59] <manchicken> Riddell: mhb is using it as his DE right now.
[05:00] <manchicken> Thanks for that tutorial though :)
[05:00] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: no, sorry
[05:00] <Nightrose> doesn't let me
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: excellent, thanks.
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Heya
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: can you access "wont fix" and "triaged"?  like, will it let you set a bug to either of those states?
[05:01] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm a CRAZY man, no?
[05:02] <manchicken> Riddell: Running gutsy on my primary machine, now dabbling with KDE4?  I must have lost my mind.  I'm a crazy man.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> gutsy on primary machines is fun.  i dont even have a feisty install.
[05:02] <manchicken> My wife's machine is still on feisty.
[05:03] <manchicken> But gutsy is working better for me than feisty did.
[05:03] <DaSkreech> ANy idea why a bash session would take up 60% of my cpu ?
[05:03] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: no can't do that either
[05:03] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Are you sure it's a session and not a script?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: oh nice.  another laucnhpad bug
[05:03] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Not fully but it has init as it's parent
[05:04] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you're definetly a bug contact of adept?  ie the bold box of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+subscribe is ticked?
[05:04] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: maybe it's just me not having enough rights
[05:04] <DaSkreech> I walked through all my visibile konsole tty and yakuake windows and see no scripts
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: you're correct.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: you should have those rights.  it's another bug in launchpad, it looks like
[05:05] <DaSkreech> it has no parents other than init, has no children, but takes up 60% of my CPU time
[05:06] <DaSkreech>  /j kde
[05:07] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i presume you couldnt use wontfix or triaged either?
[05:09] <manchicken> Okay, what now?
[05:09] <manchicken> I'm catching up.  Gimme one second.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> manchicken: to triage adept bugs
[05:14] <manchicken> Nice.
[05:14] <manchicken> "I want to receive all bugmail from adept in ubuntu"
[05:14] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:14] <Hobbsee> it's handy
[05:14] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna have to work for a little bit.  Back in a little.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> have fun
[05:15] <mhb> Riddell: are you (or anyone) building the KDE4 alpha2 packages?
[05:15] <mhb> Riddell: or is that early for that?
[05:16] <Riddell> mhb: I'm not yet, I don't know when the targetted release is
[05:16] <hunger> mhb: It does not even have a name yet.
[05:17] <Riddell> mhb: they need various supporting packages first, not all of which have releases (soprano, strigi, ..)
[05:17] <mhb> ah, okay
[05:17] <hunger> Riddell: I guess you got enough other stuff to do with akademy coming up, too;-)
[05:17] <Riddell> mhb: but I can get someone the tarballs if anyone wants to have a try
[05:18] <mhb> Riddell: well, I know I'm not :o) I'm the clueless guy here when it comes to packaging
[05:30] <hunger> Riddell: Will TT hand out deadly devices at this years akademy again?
[05:33] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna give KDE4 a whirl...
[05:33] <manchicken> Back in a minute... hopefully.
[05:37] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:38] <Riddell> hunger: no they aren't, we will be selling europe to UK adaptors at cost
[05:39] <hunger> Riddell: Great to know... I'll try to find some here then to get me through the night on friday:-)
[05:39] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks!
[06:01] <manchicken> KDE4 doesn't like me.
[06:01] <nixternal> hehe
[06:01] <manchicken> It won't even start for me.
[06:02] <mhb> manchicken: did you try the binaries?
[06:02] <sahin_h> Hi Kubuntu developers. I just found in the irc log my bugreport: https://launchpad.net/bugs/70936
[06:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70936 in kdebase "No umount option on cdrom device icon in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:02] <manchicken> mhb: That's what I'm running on.
[06:02] <mhb> manchicken: yeah, those are pretty old and unstable
[06:02] <sahin_h> I just realized the provided fix was eated by launchpad.
[06:03] <sahin_h> I'm going to update this bug report.
[06:03] <xerosis> sahin_h: oddly enough i was just looking at that bug
[06:03] <xerosis> sahin_h: oh you saw it, must read better
[06:04] <sahin_h> The fix which is provided by me is broked by launchpad. :-(
[06:04] <sahin_h> launchpad cut the end of my line...
[06:04] <nixternal> I want one of them KDE pillows sebas posted in his blog..that is way to cool
[06:04] <nixternal> actually I want a couple, they would complement the living room :)
[06:04] <manchicken> mhb: Well, update them :)
[06:05] <xerosis> sahin_h: i tried it even without the incomplete line and it turned mounted media into folders
[06:05] <manchicken> I really don't feel like compiling them all again.
[06:05] <mhb> manchicken: me? :o) I've never touched a package in my life
[06:05] <manchicken> I'll go ahead and live with 3.5.7.
[06:05] <manchicken> Isn't 3.5.8 out?
[06:05] <xerosis> mhb: just installed the madwifi svn, much better :)
[06:05] <manchicken> I don't know what the difference is though, so I suppose it doesn't really matter.
[06:05] <sahin_h> xerosis: The fix is works for me, I use it everyday.
[06:06] <sahin_h> See my update a little bit later...
[06:06] <xerosis> manchicken: you're the "adept guy" right?
[06:08] <xerosis> manchicken: ignore me, going to try something
[06:09] <manchicken> xerosis: I should get it tattooed on my forehead, eh?
[06:09] <manchicken> heh
[06:09] <xerosis> manchicken: it sounded better in my head ;)
[06:09] <sahin_h> xerosis: I uploaded the fix (media_unmount.desktop) file to launchpad. https://launchpad.net/bugs/70936
[06:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70936 in kdebase "No umount option on cdrom device icon in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:10] <sahin_h> xerosis: This file works for me on Kubuntu Feisty
[06:11] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: what concerns me about that is the question of "are users going to know the difference between eject and unmount?"
[06:11] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: and how much is it a corner case of needing to unmount without ejecting
[06:11] <xerosis> and in what case would you want to unmount rather than eject?
[06:11] <xerosis> what Hobbsee said ;)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> For example: I have a mounted CD-RW medium in the CD drive, and I would like to umount and refill with new data.
[06:12] <Hobbsee> how much is it a corner case, that you'd do that?
[06:12] <sahin_h> xerosis: What about a mounted CD-RW, what I want to write with brand new stuff.
[06:12] <xerosis> no need to unmount to refill is there?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> i know you need to unmount to partition - but to delete files, and add more?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> if you're using, say, k3b, surely it should handle that in it's normal operations?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> i mean, it's job is to be a burner.  surely, seeing as we're only talking about burning cds and such here that would require unmounting but not ejecting, the burner should control the mounting/unmounting
[06:13] <sahin_h> I'm just an old fashined Unix guy, so I always umount CD-RW media before I write brand new stuff on it.
[06:14] <sahin_h> I've never try to write a CD-RW wich has been mounted...
[06:14] <Hobbsee> try it, i'd like to know if it works
[06:14] <Hobbsee> at best, it sounds like a corner case
[06:15] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: As you wish... Just give me time to test it.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:17] <xerosis_> gah sorry, did i miss anything?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:12]  <Hobbsee> i know you need to unmount to partition - but to delete files, and add more?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:13]  <Hobbsee> if you're using, say, k3b, surely it should handle that in it's normal operations?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:13]  <Hobbsee> i mean, it's job is to be a burner.  surely, seeing as we're only talking about burning cds and such here that would require unmounting but not ejecting, the burner should control the mounting/unmounting
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:13]  <sahin_h> I'm just an old fashined Unix guy, so I always umount CD-RW media before I write brand new stuff on it.
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:14]  <sahin_h> I've never try to write a CD-RW wich has been mounted...
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:14]  <Hobbsee> try it, i'd like to know if it works
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:14]  <Hobbsee> at best, it sounds like a corner case
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:15]  --> rbrunhuber has joined this channel (n=rbrunhub@highway.mvi.de).
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:15]  <sahin_h> Hobbsee: As you wish... Just give me time to test it.
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:16]  <Hobbsee> :)
[06:18] <sahin_h> I use k3b for the test...
[06:19] <xerosis_> [17:13]  <xerosis> cd's can be erased, formatted, overwritted etc without an unmount
[06:19] <xerosis_> [17:15]  <xerosis> sahin_h: just tried the patch again, it still turns my CD into a folder
[06:19] <sahin_h> K3b just told me: The device is used by another application. However k3b is writing the CD now.
[06:20] <xerosis_> if the device is in use, surely you wouldn't be able to unmout it anyway?
[06:20] <sahin_h> xerosis: Well the fix works for me... anyway if it a corner case it dosen't matter.
[06:21] <sahin_h> Ahh k3b reloaded the media before the actual write procedure started.
[06:21] <rbrunhuber> hi Hobbsee
[06:21] <Hobbsee> hiya rbrunhuber :)
[06:21] <rbrunhuber> first hurdle passed. my presentation is over now.
[06:21] <sahin_h> We will see 3 minutes later...
[06:22] <xerosis_> sahin_h: I've never unmounted a CD between writes so I think it should work
[06:22] <Hobbsee> yay!
[06:22] <sahin_h> xerosis: Now I hope the same... Because k3b umounted the media before write it.
[06:23] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Have to reboot now need an older kernel (2.6.20) to verify a ralink device is working. See you later (although dunno what time it is down under)?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: 2.30am
[06:23] <Hobbsee> cya :)
[06:23] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: so see you tomorrow then, sleep well :-)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:25] <sahin_h> Hobbsee and xerosis: Ok. This is a corner case. No need to umount the CD-RW before write it again. K3b did the job.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: cool.  want to mark the bug as such?
[06:27] <sahin_h> Ok, I'm going to update.
[06:30] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: I updated the entry. Current status is invalid. Is it good status?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: yep
[06:31] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: Ok
[06:33] <sahin_h> I have another interesting bug for you. I submitted it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/109507
[06:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109507 in kdeutils "xorg eat 100% of the CPU when I use superkaramba and lock my desktop for a while ([apport]  Xorg crashed with signal 5)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:33] <sahin_h> I saw lot of people confirmed it.
[06:36] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: looks like an upstream superkaramba thing
[06:37] <Hobbsee> ie, not something that would get fixed at a distro level
[06:37] <Hobbsee> (seeing as they know the code, not us)
[06:37] <sahin_h> Ok. I see..
[06:41] <Hobbsee> how can you see if /usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/ is a KDE-only directory?
[07:04] <sahin_h> I just translated the Kubuntu Tribe 2 announcement to Hungarian. Ok, this is not a full translation, just the changes in nutt shell.
[07:04] <sahin_h> My favorite part was: "Well, the Kubuntu team has decided to roll most of your multimedia dreams into..."
[07:08] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[07:09] <mhb> hmm, can someone help me with directions? I'm trying to compile sebas' powermanager plasmoid and it always complains about "kde4_automoc", which I most likely have
[07:09] <mhb> and I'm not sure where to seek help
[07:10] <mhb> nothing in #kde, #kde4 is empty and I know how -devels get angry over build questions
[07:26] <manchicken> I am loving everything about Kate, except for its lack of Emacs keybindings.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:26] <DaSkreech> mhb: ask in #plasma
[07:27] <DaSkreech> manchicken: prety sure there is a set of keybindings somewhere that convert
[07:27] <xerosis_> manchicken: i have --force-architecture installed a packaged only it's not found to install, any ideas?
[07:27] <manchicken> There is this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktexteditor+-+emacsextensions?content=21706
[07:28] <xerosis_> *to uninstall
[07:28] <mhb> DaSkreech: like they say - "it is not a support channel"
[07:28] <mhb> DaSkreech: that basically means "if you ask us about build failures, we're gonna be grumpy"
[07:28] <DaSkreech> mhb: techbase then?
[07:28] <DaSkreech> mhb: btw when you say you mostlikely have does that mean that you checked and you do indeed have it?
[07:30] <mhb> martin@blackbook:~/processing/kde/4/src/playground/plasma/engines/battery$ cmake --help-module-list | grep "automoc"
[07:30] <mhb> kde4automoc
[07:34] <jjesse> nixternal: just noticed that nixternal.com shows as for sale for 4 million dollars US
[07:44] <xerosis_> mhb: what changes does 'make last OS default' make in GRUB
[07:44] <xerosis_> or rather, should
[07:49] <manchicken> Sweet.  I think I just made a deb.
[07:55] <manchicken> Okay, so ktexteditor-emacsextensions kinda sucks.
[07:55] <manchicken> But I still learned how to package a bit.  That's nice.
[07:58] <DaSkreech> mhb: helped?
[07:58] <mhb> DaSkreech: partially
[07:59] <mhb> DaSkreech: advice given, but I'm not sure if it will work
[07:59] <mhb> xerosis_: it should make the last booted entry the default one
[07:59] <mhb> xerosis_: for the next boto
[07:59] <xerosis_> mhb: i mean, what is the actual grub code/command
[08:03] <mhb> xerosis_: not sure now, check the docs :o)
[08:06] <xerosis_> ah, found it
[08:06] <mhb> DaSkreech: it helped, thank god :o)
[08:06] <DaSkreech> mhb: heehee Don't forget a thank you
[08:07] <mhb> DaSkreech: too late :o)
[08:07] <mhb> DaSkreech: but thanks for the hint
[08:10] <mhb> DaSkreech: well, it's just a big "powermanager" tray icon :o)
[08:10] <mhb> DaSkreech: I have to check if it works properly
[08:10] <ryanakca> hmm... is there supposed to be IPv6 support in the live CD?
[08:10] <DaSkreech> Well then I look forward to seeing your laptop die
[08:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: woah... can the resolution go any lower? It booted fine, IPv6 works, sound works, UXterm and Xterm are in the menu, both look the same, but I think I saw a bug report about  that. OpenOffice Drawing should probably be moved to either Office or Graphics. I suppose $HOME/Examples/ , was removed due to space issues?
[08:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: installer works here (I only tested up to step 5). All apps seem to startup to, looks good :)
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Wasn't that just a link to a usr folder ?
[08:32] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: yep
[08:32] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: brb, rebooting
[08:48] <ryanakca> back
[08:58] <toma> ola
[08:58] <ryanakca> hey toma :)
[08:58] <toma> I'm behind a breezy system right now. how can i get to something more recent?
[09:02] <nixternal> jjesse: yes it is for sale, I will take 3 million though of course :)
[09:12] <nixternal> we have 3 million cicadas
[09:20] <mhb> nixternal: are you gutsing right now? :o)
[09:45] <DaSkreech> mhb: Any good so far?
[09:47] <mhb> DaSkreech: what exactly? Gutsy?
[09:47] <mhb> DaSkreech: Gutsy's great
[09:47] <DaSkreech> mhb: Plasmoid
[09:47] <DaSkreech> Mez's gutsy kernel is segfaulting :) Still needs some guts :)
[09:49] <mhb> DaSkreech: it doesn't seem to reload well
[09:51] <xerosis_> gah, i'm getting "skipping" music playback, where should i start looking for problems?
[09:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: great, thanks
[09:52] <nixternal> I just learned something...or was just made aware of. KDE was about before Gnome. I thought it was vice-versa
[10:00] <xerosis_> nixternal: gnome came about because of the QT licencing
[10:03] <Riddell> nixternal: KDE is the original and best
[10:09] <ScottK> xerosis_: In other words, the sole reason for Gnome's existence is gone, but yet it sticks around ...
[10:09] <mhb> DaSkreech: the KDE4 console is fun
[10:10] <Riddell> ScottK: :)
[10:10] <Riddell> ScottK: mostly I have people justify its existance now as being more friendly to proprietry software developers.  which is ironic given it started because kde was to an extent proprietry
[10:10] <mhb> DaSkreech: whenever there's a: "someone@somewhere.net has quit" (on irssi), it thinks it's an email address and offers me to send an email
[10:10] <ScottK> Heh.
[10:11] <mhb> DaSkreech: (when I hover over the address)
[10:11] <Riddell> it's also a load of nonsense since far more proprietry apps are made with qt than gtk
[10:12] <mhb> having a business which wants to create proprietary software but refuses to pay anything for the libraries is a bit contradictive
[10:13] <mhb> they go for it because it's cheaper, I know :o)
[10:14] <ScottK> is/if
[10:17] <mhb> installing packages could be like putting files in a trash can
[10:18] <nixternal> Riddell: now I know it is the original, I always knew it was the best :)
[10:18] <xerosis_> mhb: like mac os? ;)
[10:19] <mhb> xerosis_: yeah :o)
[10:19] <mhb> xerosis_: ubuntu is the new mac os... (just take a look at the Gutsy compiz-fusion desktop switching)
[10:38] <jussi01> Hello everyone. It was suggested in -motu that maybe someone here may be able to help me with this build problem. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27665/ if someone has a minute, would you mind taking a look?
[10:41] <Riddell> jussi01: is it a qt 4 app?
[10:42] <jussi01> Riddell: I am not certain, however if i use qt3 it gives me many more errors
[10:43] <Riddell> probably a good idea to find out which first :)
[10:43] <jussi01> Riddell: with qt3 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27654/
[10:44] <jussi01> Riddell: the website just says trolltechs qt. WHat is the correct way to find out exactly what it needs?
[10:45] <Riddell> jussi01: sources available somewhere for me?
[10:46] <jussi01> Riddell: http://qjoypad.sourceforge.net/#download
[10:49] <Riddell> jussi01: compiles for me with qt 3
[10:49] <_Sime_> Riddell: quick Q. What are the check-in hours for the euro hostel?
[10:50] <Riddell> jussi01: i think you're just missing libtext, which is in libxtst-dev
[10:50] <Riddell> _Sime_: I'm assuming it's 24 hours
[10:50] <jussi01> Riddell: which build deps would I then need? Im sorry for the "basic" question...
[10:50] <Riddell> jussi01: libqt3-dev libxtst-dev
[10:50] <jussi01> Riddell: :) thanks
[10:51] <Riddell> actually libqt3-mt-dev
[10:51] <_Sime_> Riddell: ok, thanks. I should be in the neighbourhood around  9-10 in the evening. In time for the slosh-fest at the Campus bar.
[10:52] <Riddell> _Sime_: confirmed it, open 24 hours, from 15:00 on the day
[10:53] <_Sime_> Riddell: how does that work?? open 24 hours, just not in a row?
[10:54] <Riddell> _Sime_: as in you can check in from 15:00 on the day of arrival
[10:54] <Riddell> before that someone else might still be in the room
[10:54] <Riddell> and that could get embarracing
[10:54] <_Sime_> ok, I've gotcha.
[10:57] <jussi01> Riddell: Im sorry to keep bothering you, but may I ask for a little more help? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27666/
[10:59] <Riddell> jussi01: line 49 is running "make install" but nothing has run "make"
[10:59] <Riddell> jussi01: also "make install" doesn't seem to be respecting DESTDIR=, so you may need to just cp the files manually in debian/rules rather than use make install
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm connected from home ! hehe :)
[11:00] <Tonio_> let's go with the network-mnager and the kdepim work
[11:00] <jussi01> Riddell: CDBS is knocking me around. maybe i should go back to debhelper...
[11:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: holy guacamole.  how long did that take?
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: 2 month :/
[11:01] <Riddell> jussi01: I'd certainly recommend debhelper to a beginner (if nothing else it lets you understand what cdbs is doing but hiding away)
[11:02] <jussi01> Riddell: yes, :) Although Im _trying_ to understand cdbs, having used debhelper several times now.
[11:36] <Tonio_> someone there ?
[11:36] <Tonio_> is it me or is kaffeine broken in gutsy ?
[11:36] <Riddell> works here
[11:55] <manchicken> Adept is by far one of the hardest programs to debug.
[11:56] <manchicken> I have to run kdevelop as root in order to get its debugger to work.
[11:56] <mhb> manchicken: adept is (by far) the weakest link of Kubuntu, so ya better get debugging! :o)
[11:56] <manchicken> And forget debugging in gdb directly.  Qt stuff is very tricky there.
[11:57] <manchicken> mhb: No, I think kpilot is the weakest link.
[11:58] <Arby> manchicken: anything I can do on the triage front to streamline the damage a bit?
[11:59] <manchicken> I've figure out what the problem is, it's just getting it to work now :)
[12:00] <Arby> fair enough
[12:00] <manchicken> Every time I make a change that I think will fix it I have to recompile restart kdevelop as root, run the debugger, try to figure out what went wrong this time, etc.  It's just tedious.
[12:00] <Arby> I keep chipping away at that list but some of it's just beyond me
[12:01] <manchicken> It takes a lot of swimming in code to figure out adept.
[12:01] <manchicken> And I still don't know much of it at the lower level.
[12:01] <manchicken> The only things I ever really work on are UI code.
[12:01] <manchicken> I haven't touched any of the apt or dpkg interfaces.
[12:01] <Arby> well, I'll keep trying to weed out the junk for you:)
[12:03] <Arby> manchicken: while you're here, are tracebacks like bug 108286 any use or should they be closed unless the debug symbols can be provided?
[12:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108286 in adept "Adept crash after updating" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108286
[12:03] <Arby> I can't help thinking that there are quite a few reports like that which just seem useless
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: when is the freeze supposed to end ?
[12:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: this afternoon
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just fixed the kaffeine crash
[12:04] <Riddell> should be long since over
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho great let's upload then
[12:04] <Riddell> kaffeine has a crash?
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[12:04] <Arby> I'm trying to get my head around how to interperet those so I can triage them better.
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you try to configure xine within kaffeine, sxegfault here, just repackaged removing the problematic patch, works
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a problem do to the mess I've done by uploading the bad package version 2 weeks ago, hobbsee fixed, but the fix is only partial
[12:06] <Riddell> settings->xine parameters works for me
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think it is a combinason of issues, with the xv part, the ati driver and so on
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that I just reinstalled the current version, still fails, even on clean profile....
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have been able to reproduce the problem on several machines....
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you don't mind, I'll upload, as it fixes the problem I have seen and shouldn't break your configuration :)
[12:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't mind at all
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, are there any emergencies ? my tomorrow's plan is to repackage the all kdepim, packaging is bad, and misses a lot of features
[12:09] <manchicken> Arby: Let me see what they've got in that one.
[12:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you do the kdm language stuff we talked about?
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes it is
[12:10] <Tonio_> +done
[12:10] <Arby> manchicken: well that was just an example but there are few of that type
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can confirm it works for me
[12:10] <Arby> manchicken: lots of missing debugging symbols and the kernel_vsyscall
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: was done with kubuntu-default-settings (1:7.10-5)
[12:11] <Tonio_> 2 weeks ago
[12:11] <Riddell> oh, cool
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: hobbsee has most of the kde modules in bzr now under the kubuntu-members team
[12:12] <manchicken> Arby: See if you can replicate that issue using the info that Dima put up.
[12:12] <Riddell> you should try and commit to that
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: seen that, I'll push my packages there too
[12:12] <manchicken> Arby: If you cannot then that bug report gives us nothing usable.
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I haven't been on the channel a lot due to connections problem, but I've done the stuff, you know :)
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: if my tomorrow's plan succeed, we'll be the first linux distro released with a syncml compatible mail client out of the box :)
[12:13] <Arby> manchicken: OK, if I do reproduce it, what package provides debugging symbols for adept.
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I discovered kdepim now supports opensync, but the debian package still ignores this and only builds the old and crappy multisync part.... I'll try to change this
[12:14] <manchicken> I think we have a -dbg package for everything.  Riddell, Tonio_, is that correct?
[12:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: hey :)
[12:14] <manchicken> Tonio_: Wuddup homie?
[12:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: will do your katapult thing tomorrow
[12:14] <manchicken> Tonio_: Cool.
[12:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: yep I'm at home with an internet connection
[12:15] <manchicken> I thought about setting up my own repo, but then I remembered that I don't know how to package.
[12:15] <Tonio_> manchicken: and therefore not obliged to watch one of those stupid tv show :)
[12:15] <manchicken> Tonio_: Nice.
[12:15] <xerosis_> Arby: there are instructions for installing the -dbg packages on the wiki
[12:15] <Tonio_> manchicken: learn !
[12:15] <manchicken> I think "America's Next Top Model" is on tonight.  What a great night for going out and drinking.
[12:16] <Tonio_> manchicken: seriously, talking about coding, we need help on the kdesudo part, we just miss one functionality to be implemented to get is to replace kdesu perfectly....
[12:16] <manchicken> Tonio_: Do packages have -dbg analogs in the repositories?