=== never|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44670.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-108-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44670.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-239-240.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === oojah [n=roger@cpc1-nott6-0-0-cust436.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === jml_ is now known as jml === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === radhios [n=radhios@200-122-44-209.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #launchpad === never|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db442d1.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === shawn__ [n=shawn@adsl-67-124-150-93.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #launchpad === brylie [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-97-67.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [05:07] I am having trouble pushing files to launchpad via bazaar [05:08] I have done 'bzr add filename' [05:09] and bzr status lists the files I have added [05:09] when I do 'bzr push sftp://brylie@bazaar.launchpad.net/~brylie/gnumedia/0.1a2' [05:09] it comes back with 'No new revisions to push.' [05:10] did you do a bzr commit ? [05:10] not today [05:10] you have to commit your changes before you can push them [05:10] I can't remember what I did the other nite. very new to bazaar here [05:11] bzr commit opened nano [05:11] save and exit? [05:12] yeah, write your commit message, save and exit [05:12] that will commit your changes locally [05:12] commit message == changelog? [05:12] yeah, sorta [05:13] basically descriptive text though right? [05:13] yes [05:13] what you changed [05:15] ok.. now 'bzr diff' returns nothing. That means that the files are synced? [05:15] to your local branch yes === never|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db442d1.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad [05:30] ok now a colleague is having trouble accessing the data [05:30] did you push it? [05:30] 'bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brylie/gnumedia/0.1a2 temp' [05:30] Yes the data is there. [05:30] He can browse it online. [05:30] try bzr branch [05:31] him or I? [05:31] him [05:31] ok I told him [05:31] he did [05:32] didn't work. He can't join irc for some reason either. I wonder if the two issues are related. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad [05:33] 'bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brylie/gnumedia/0.1a2 anyname' is what he says he typed [05:34] brylie: it works for me [05:34] hmm [05:34] ok, yea, it works for me as well. I just wasn't sure if it might have been a privlages thing. [05:35] who is Jeroen Vermeulen? Sorry need to ask, saw on TOSSFEST agenda representing LP [05:35] this is the error he gets: http://python.pastebin.com/938067 [05:35] jsgotangco: jtv on IRC. [05:35] no. wait [05:35] I maybe have the wrong Jeroen. [05:35] ahh cool, so he's based in Bangkok, will be there as well [05:36] No, I have the right one. Good good. [05:36] cool I'll probably say hi =) [05:37] thanks [05:39] he's using bzr --version 0.11.0 [05:39] can he manually get 0.15.0? [05:40] he's on a debian system [05:40] etch [05:41] brylie: I belive the bzr people have a repo for Debian and Ubuntu [05:41] brylie: check out bazaar-vcs.org [05:42] ok thank you Jock [06:00] Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === SteveA [n=steve@canonical/launchpad/SteveA] has joined #launchpad === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #launchpad === tlax [i=tlax@mirc-galleria.net] has joined #launchpad === radix [n=radix@70.91.133.157] has joined #launchpad === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #launchpad === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #launchpad === geser [i=mb@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #launchpad === frsk [i=fredrik@asterix.samfundet.no] has joined #launchpad === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-239-240.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === oojah [n=roger@cpc1-nott6-0-0-cust436.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #launchpad [06:22] hi mpt === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [06:41] haw does one create a launchpad team so that multiple people can collaborate on a project branch? this article https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/TeamBranches doesn't tell how to initally create a team. [06:43] there is no team creation choice under 'register branch' or 'register series' [06:43] brylie: https://launchpad.net/people/+newteam [06:44] thanks LaserJock [06:45] it seems to me that the documentation/instructions for new users can use some improvement. Wiki based docs are good, but the site UI isn't the most intuitive imo :) === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-c97643ebbb90f18e] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === kompressor [n=kompress@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=allenap@212.233.37.245] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ is now known as poolie === AlexLatchford [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #launchpad [09:01] morning [09:04] morning carlos! === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:40:213:2ff:fe05:abdb] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=emilio@78.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@125.212.15.253] has joined #launchpad === thumper [n=tim@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@201-14-57-210.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad === bigjools [n=ed@canonical/launchpad/bigjools] has joined #launchpad === doko_ is now known as doko === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad === kiko_ [n=kiko@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #launchpad === intellectronica [n=intellec@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === mwhudson [n=mwh@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #launchpad [11:15] New bug: #122778 in launchpad "Speed up pagetest helpers by using SoupStrainer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122778 === ..[topic/#launchpad:Rinchen] : Launchpad https://launchpad.net/ | Next developer meeting: Thu 28 June 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Launchpad help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad === faidillinger [n=faidilli@abo-49-240-68.guy.modulonet.fr] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.226] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === jsk [n=jonathan@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-43.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === Znarl [n=znarl@jewel.roundabout.org] has joined #launchpad [12:20] New bug: #122785 in launchpad-answers "Display questions in orphaned projects that need love" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122785 === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #launchpad === carlos -> out === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad [01:30] morning, guys === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad [01:39] cprov: good morning [01:39] cprov: bug 121606 is now marked fix released. so it is fixed in production? [01:39] Launchpad bug 121606 in soyuz "changelog-closes-bugs does not work any more since today's rollout" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121606 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) [01:39] cprov: does this mean that build-from-accepted is re-enabled as well? [01:40] mdz: yes, both features are available in production. === mwh [n=mwh@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === mwh [n=mwh@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === mranostay|work [n=mranosta@cpe-088197.static.wadsnet.net] has joined #launchpad === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [02:09] is there a way to change the 'best answer' in the answer tracker once it was assigned? [02:10] Is there anymore email madness going on right now...? I just got an email about bug 110212 and I can't figure out why... (to mynick@ubuntu.com) [02:10] Launchpad bug 110212 in firefox "[FEISTY] firefox crashed [@nsHTMLContainerFrame::CreateViewForFrame] [@nsCSSFrameConstructor::BeginBuildingScrollFrame] " [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110212 - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs) [02:13] PriceChild: because you're subscribed to it [02:14] easy answer :) [02:14] *wonders why he's subscribed to it* [02:14] right ignore me... i posted in it [02:14] Sorry for wasting your time matsubara. === ddaa [n=david@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [02:31] a question... [02:32] why cant team contacts set the importance of bugs, like they can the WONTFIX or TRIAGED? It would seem to make sense to bring this all into hte same set of permissions. === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === radhios [n=radhios@200.47.67.169] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [i=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad === kiko_ is now known as kiko === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@foresight/developer/OgMaciel] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === nve [n=nve@HSI-KBW-085-216-046-126.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #launchpad [03:29] elmo, could i talk to you for a moment, please? === sinzu1 [n=sinzui@pool-70-17-111-114.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad === adeuring [n=abel@Fc191.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #launchpad === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.15.64] has joined #launchpad [03:56] me [03:57] heh [03:57] preemptive me-ing [03:57] is that so that you can sneak off later? [03:57] kiko: did you knwo the asnewr to my question, btw? [03:57] very funny === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.15.64] has left #launchpad [] [03:57] premature is a more loaded description, i think [03:58] I always sit alertly at my keyboard during this meeting, attentively noting every excruciating detail [03:58] I don't even tab away [03:58] nve: i've asked you to leave me alone already. please go away. [03:58] Hobbsee, are there more "female" community pieces to fullfill the women quota? === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad [03:59] can they chat, too? [03:59] nve: i'm telling you now. fuck off. [03:59] Hobbsee, mind the code of conduct, person. [03:59] meeting about to start === PhilKC [i=greece@freenode/staff/about.linux.philkc] has joined #LaunchPad [04:00] Welcome, welcome, welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating about Launchpad development. [04:00] Hobbsee: the permission should be the same for bug contacts, AFAIK [04:00] PhilKC, hi darling. did you come to suck up to Hobbsee? [04:00] i'm sorry, i dont care about obeying the code of conduct, per se, if someone's harassing me. [04:00] Who is here today? [04:00] me [04:00] ME [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] MR [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] ME even [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me === sinzu1 is now known as sinzui [04:00] me [04:00] matsubara: right. it isnt. i'll file a bug [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] ... [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] Hobbsee: meeting time, if you can privmsg me more details === barry-away is now known as barry === mode/#launchpad [+o kiko] by ChanServ [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] kick nve behave. === nve was kicked off #launchpad by kiko (behave.) === jtv [i=jtv@nat/canonical/x-7c010cc59545187c] has joined #launchpad [04:01] lol === nve [n=nve@HSI-KBW-085-216-046-126.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #launchpad [04:01] carlos: ping [04:01] me [04:01] haha [04:01] kiko, but you allow the "me" flood? [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] danilos: thanks === stu1 [i=stub@nat/canonical/x-23f672f9e78e8cc4] has joined #launchpad [04:01] me === kiko rolls eyes [04:01] me [04:01] kiko, cool dude that you are. and allowing foul language of Hobbsee? === mode/#launchpad [+o SteveA] by ChanServ [04:01] me [04:01] ahem. [04:02] nve: there's a Launchpad development meeting in progress. Please keep any comments on topic. === mode/#launchpad [+o Rinchen] by ChanServ === stu1 is now known as stub [04:02] SteveA, how is it on topic of Hobbsee to tell me to "fuck off"? [04:03] can we please have the meeting? [04:03] of course [04:03] == Agenda == [04:03] * Roll call [04:03] * Agenda [04:03] * Next meeting [04:03] * Actions from last meeting [04:03] * Oops report (Matsubara) [04:03] * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] ) [04:03] * Bug tags [04:03] * Operations report (mthaddon) [04:03] * DBA report (stub) [04:03] * Sysadmin requests [04:03] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:03] ---- [04:03] * Launchpad News blog (mrevell) [04:03] * Meetings in London (kiko) [04:03] * (other items) === nve [n=nve@HSI-KBW-085-216-046-126.hsi.kabelbw.de] has left #launchpad ["Hobbsee,] [04:03] ---- [04:03] * Blockers [04:03] [04:04] next meeting, same time next week [04:04] will anyone be absent? [04:04] hmmmm. no, I'll be here. [04:04] [04:04] I'll be on holidays [04:04] me [04:04] sort of absent [04:04] abel and I will be on the sprint with you, but that doesn't stop us from attending [04:05] actually, you'll be sprinting with stub [04:05] I may pop in for a day or two, but I'll not be there generally [04:06] Actions from last meeting [04:06] there were none [04:06] OOPS report: matsubara [04:06] Thanks allenp for fixing bug 121567 [04:06] Thanks adeuring for fixing bug 121550 [04:06] Thanks danilos for fixing bugs 121582, 121558 and 122537 [04:06] Thanks salgado for fixing bug 121571 [04:06] Thanks mthaddon for all the cherrypicks. [04:06] Launchpad bug 121567 in malone "AttributeError using old bookmarks in person bugs page" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121567 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap) [04:06] Launchpad bug 121550 in malone "Bug search URLs don't accept empty field.status_upstream parameters anymore" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121550 - Assigned to abel (adeuring) [04:06] Today's oops report is about bug 58220. [04:06] Launchpad bug 121582 in rosetta "Duplicate msgsets in +translate" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121582 - Assigned to (danilo) [04:06] Launchpad bug 121558 in rosetta "TraversalError in translation page" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121558 - Assigned to (danilo) [04:06] Launchpad bug 122537 in rosetta "is_same_translator comparison is broken" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122537 - Assigned to (danilo) [04:06] Bug 121571 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/121571 is private [04:06] Launchpad bug 58220 in launchpad "When an error occurs processing a request another oops is recorded because there's no interaction set up." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58220 - Assigned to James Henstridge (jamesh) [04:06] jamesh, I commented on #58220. It seems that even with your fix the oops page [04:06] isn't rendered. Would you follow up on the bug please? [04:07] matsubara: yeah. need to look into it further. [04:07] matsubara, how are our UnicodeDecodeErrors looking? [04:07] I saw a number of assorted oopses yesterday [04:08] matsubara, danilos: is the TypeError in +translate known too? [04:09] finally, can we ever fix this Surrogate thing? [04:09] kiko: that's a 121582, should be fixed already [04:09] kiko: it's that UDE from the broken spam bot. I think, it triggers the exception while rendering the template (zope code). I don't know how to catch that exception and re-raise as the new suggested exception (CrapUnicodeException) [04:09] cprov: thanks [04:09] kiko: does it still occur? [04:09] danilos, no, looks cool. [04:09] kiko: the typeerror is fixed already [04:09] kiko: ok, thanks === mode/#launchpad [-o Rinchen] by Rinchen [04:10] kiko: the surrogate thing is a corner case in zope and is assigned to SteveA. doesn't happen that often, though [04:10] kiko: we cannot fix the surrogatet thing right now [04:10] kiko: we will look at it again after we upgrade to the latest zope3 [04:10] SteveA, should we move it to an UFD or something? [04:10] a UFS. [04:10] kiko: it's not a priority though [04:10] err a UFD. [04:10] UFS? [04:10] yeah [04:10] what? [04:10] it's not UFD [04:10] what makes no sense [04:10] so what is it? [04:10] if it's not fixable, let's move it out? [04:10] it's something that breaks in the zope component architecture [04:10] mdz: np, it will be more significant once gutsy is back DEVELOPMENT state. Looking forward to know the archive-admins impressions [04:10] eh? [04:11] kiko: I don't understand what you mean [04:11] it's a failure [04:11] an error [04:11] something fails, so we should have an OOPS [04:11] kiko: bug 52574, btw [04:11] does it inconvenience end-users? [04:11] Launchpad bug 52574 in launchpad "Surrogate error in Zope component architecture leading to an OOPS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52574 [04:11] yes [04:11] always [04:11] okay [04:12] wow [04:12] kiko: I can chat with later about the UDE the broken bot is triggering. [04:12] it happens in many different situations [04:12] it's a deep error [04:13] and hard to reproduce [04:13] and rare enough not to be a huge issue so far [04:13] how very interesting. [04:13] we must keep tracking it [04:13] okay [04:13] and check if it is increased or reduced with zope3 upgrades [04:14] matsubara: anything more on oopses? [04:14] SteveA: I'm done here. Thank you [04:14] thanks matsubara [04:14] * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] ) [04:14] Bjorn are you taking bug 121363? [04:14] Launchpad bug 121363 in malone "Order 'most recently closed' on 'Bugtask.id DESC' instead of 'BugTask.id'" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121363 [04:14] hmmm [04:14] mwh, are you taking bug 122169? [04:15] Launchpad bug 122169 in launchpad-bazaar "500 Internal error from codebrowse" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122169 [04:15] Rinchen: yes, it's fixed locally [04:15] thumper, is jml taking bug 122268? [04:15] Bug 122268 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/122268 is private [04:15] Rinchen: yes [04:15] carlos, are you taking bug 122363? [04:15] Bug 122363 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/122363 is private [04:15] cprov: gutsy is already back in development state [04:15] mwhudson, tahnks [04:15] thumper thanks [04:15] Rinchen: sure. but is that bug really critical? i couldn't find it in any of the recent oops reports. === barry thanks mwhudson [04:16] Rinchen: it's fixed and waiting for BjornT to get a merge approval [04:16] carlos, great thanks [04:16] Rinchen: I did it in one of my postmerge reviews, where I detected it [04:16] BjornT, isn't it a timeout issue? [04:16] BjornT: I don't think it is critical anymore [04:16] Just high (so the index is used) [04:17] okay. [04:17] done [04:17] ok, kiko moved it to high so it'll drop from my list [04:17] SteveA, done [04:17] carlos: what's pending on my approval? it doesn't seem to be in my review queue. [04:17] thanks Rinchen [04:17] there are no new launchpad bug tags [04:18] BjornT: I'm adding it right now. It was a postmerge review [04:18] * Operations report (mthaddon) [04:18] so it was not following hte usual procedures [04:18] Production rollout and lots of cherry picks. [04:18] Overwritten edge with devel (10 mins ago, so will take a while to propogate). [04:18] Working on app server reconfig. [04:18] Need to discuss how to deal with special case of yesterday's rollout but not sure if this is the time to do that... [04:18] mdz: yes, it is, since 14:15:14 +0100 (BST)today. I will check the logs this evening and assure the throughput has increased. [04:18] mthaddon, what special case? [04:18] BjornT: I sent you an email about it with the diff including the changes I did based on your input [04:18] kiko: it's on the list [04:18] thanks for the cherry-picks btw! [04:19] carlos: oh, right. i didn't know it was included in the post-merge review. [04:19] kiko: sent an email - there was a very small change that I "cowboyed" in to get danilo's cherry pick to pass [04:19] kiko: look for subject line "Production Cherry Picks 4461, 4463, 4466" [04:19] mthaddon, ah, right -- it's not a problem. [04:19] yeah. [04:19] it won't be an issue. [04:19] It's a single line change that I detected while adding a test there, so I thought it was a good idea to include it there [04:19] yeah [04:19] ok, great, thanks for clearing up my mind, kiko [04:19] edge works! [04:19] ok, cool - that's it from the operations report then [04:19] https://edge.launchpad.net/ [04:19] wonderful, good job mthaddon [04:20] This cycle I think we rolled out even though we knew there would shortly be fixes landing that need cherry picking. I was wondering if it would have been better for everyone if we had just delayed the rollout. Missing deadlines isn't important given they are arbitrary and set by us, but extra downtime and hassles can be. [04:20] thanks mthaddon [04:20] buildbot rollout done by me with mthaddon on the phone for blow-by-blow, because he does not have the necessary privs yet [04:20] stub, we can talk about this after the meeting, but a deadline is a deadline. [04:20] s/buildbot/importd/ [04:20] ok [04:21] the point of a deadline is that while it may be arbitrary, it's also something that other people can depend on and coordinate with [04:21] yeah, I think we should stick to deadlines, preferring to remove features over missing deadline (from experience with GNOME model) [04:21] so, there are other issues to consider [04:21] thanks for the comment, though, stub [04:21] New bug: #122823 in soyuz "Cannot inspect packages in the upload queue" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122823 [04:21] it's an important consideration [04:21] * DBA report (stub) [04:21] database is boring ths week. nothing to report. [04:21] * Sysadmin requests [04:21] wait for next week! [04:22] Everything is going well. Back to SteveA [04:22] thankss [04:22] mthaddon: have you rted about getting importd rights yet? [04:22] mwhudson: yep [04:23] cool [04:23] matsubara: on the surrogate bug, perhaps we can file this on upstream zope3 component architecture too? [04:23] stub: any idea what the right project in launchpad would be? [04:23] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:23] This week's top user-affecting issue regards the slide-out help panels in the top left-hand corner of Launchpad pages. [04:23] SteveA: sure [04:23] At present, we promise help but don't offer any. [04:23] I plan to fix this over the next few weeks, ideally covering the most important pages over the next week, linking to help.launchpad.net for further information where appropriate. [04:23] mrevell: that's not true [04:23] SteveA: zope3? jamesh? [04:23] I'd love to hear from members of each Launchpad team as to which of these help panels they feel are most important. [04:24] mrevell: the answer tracker and code do have halpe [04:24] stub: I think there's a separate project for the z3 CA [04:24] flacoste: Sorry, much. [04:24] I'll mail the launchpad-users list after this meeting, as I think it'll be valuable to both developer and user input as to which pages we need to prioritise. [04:24] mrevell: using bugs to track them? [04:24] I feel the important pages are not necessarily those that are most used but those that aren't self-evident. [04:24] mrevell: or how? [04:24] the bug page is missing help [04:24] I think there should be links to help.launchpad.net as appropriate from those sliding panels [04:24] jtv has been doing some work on translations help, I think [04:24] tiny bit [04:24] SteveA: Yes, a bug for each page makes sense. [04:25] jtv: Great, let's work together on that, then :) [04:25] reviewers should also check for presence of help slot on page templates [04:25] SteveA: I think we only have zope3 at present [04:25] especially on new page templates [04:25] but probably also on old ones [04:25] flacoste: +1. i'll start doing that [04:26] we have a report [04:26] on what pages have help text [04:26] and what that text is [04:26] I won't post the link to it here [04:26] but we can check it out [04:26] SteveA: would like to see it, though [04:27] If anyone is working on a page that needs help text, please do involve me as I can take some of that burden from you. [04:27] jtv: mpt gave me the link once, worth asking him [04:27] great [04:27] should we use the lp-doc project to file bugs about missing help text or just file them against launchpad? [04:27] mrevell: sure will [04:27] mrevell: do you have RF access yet? [04:27] mrevell: that would help a lot for that kind of stuff [04:27] matsubara: I think probably against the relevant Launchpad app [04:27] matsubara: I'd prefer to have it against relevant component [04:28] flacoste: I don't at the moment. [04:28] okie [04:28] I think the text can go in the bugs [04:28] mrevell doesn't need to commit the changes in order to make good progress [04:28] although we can consider this later [04:28] mrevell: all done? [04:29] SteveA: yes thanks [04:29] is mpt here? [04:29] he doesn't need to have commit, but for new pages templates to be able to see how it looks like would be a plus [04:29] flacoste: edge ought to do that [04:29] or staging [04:29] * Launchpad News blog (mrevell) [04:29] doesn't help if reviewers block the landing for help text though :-) [04:29] for new pages ? [04:29] but agreed, edge is a workaround [04:29] The Launchpad News blog is online at https://news.launchpad.net! [04:29] Please, everyone in the Launchpad team: consider this your opportunity to talk to Launchpad users and the wider free software community. [04:30] f you're working on something cool, then let me know and we can write a blog post in preparation for its release. [04:30] also, any launchpad community members who are listening [04:30] take a look [04:30] mrevell: https:// gave me a 'No / URL found error.' [04:30] Also, if you're at Millbank today, I have a microphone and am recording interviews with Launchpad team members for our first Launchpad podcast :) [04:30] https? === LaserJock looks [04:30] -https +http [04:30] mrevell: maybe we can get the https fixed to redirect [04:30] danilos: http://news.launchpad.net is the address, sorry for givingg the wrong address [04:31] or just be absent [04:31] SteveA: Yes, I'll file an RT. [04:31] mrevell: yeah, figured it out, just confirming https is not supposed to work [04:31] mrevell: thanks, and good job with news.lp.net [04:31] btw [04:31] we should use news items to update the news on the launchpad homepage [04:32] good point [04:32] that needs a mini spec [04:32] they are currently stale [04:32] rss integration ? [04:32] if we're going to do RSS etc. [04:32] kiko: Yes, I need to file a bug regarding linking to the blog from main Launchpad. [04:32] the feed is at: [04:32]