=== cypherbios_ [n=cypher@201-24-193-26.ctaje700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] wish bug status is gone? === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:21] paul_d: no [12:21] i just marked one as a wishlist like 10 minutes ago [12:22] maybe inaccessible to bug squad? === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-dyn244.91-127-76.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] paul_d: you have to be part of the qa team please continue this in #ubuntu-bugs === Riddell_ [n=jr@jasmine.wyrdweb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] paul_d: yes, you need to be in ubuntu-qa to set bug importance [12:26] pitti: there's broken issues with gdb at the moment on 2.6.?? kernels [12:28] pitti: google for "Failed to read a valid object file image from memory." === GmanAFK is now known as Gman === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@200-103-149-71.ctame706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-108-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEOmoz [n=SEOmoz@unaffiliated/seomoz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.177.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj_ [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] sladen: what is the status of bug 32150? [01:31] Launchpad bug 32150 in acpi-support "/etc/acpi/hibernate.sh should bail out if /sys/power/resume is 0:0" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32150 === SEOmoz [n=SEOmoz@unaffiliated/seomoz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crdlb_ [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host86-147-88-201.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] bdmurray: I've assigned it to me, I suspect it might actually want to go into pmi instead [01:48] or even both === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] sladen: okay thanks! [01:48] it ended up on the list of hug day bugs [01:49] bdmurray: oooh, funky. It is a year old [01:49] well, I / we've been trying to do some cleanup === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-3818a3b6fe59695f] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah_ [n=daniel@201-66-42-234.ctame706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bathym [n=bathym@gentoo/user/bathym] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] hi gang === bathym [n=bathym@gentoo/user/bathym] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === tmr0 [n=tmr0@71-208-49-26.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] hi mpt, I just replied by email your comment at my blog === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.106.39] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-210-186.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syp| [n=syp@lasigpc9.epfl.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-19-74.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt wonders which Weblog is rproenca's :-/ [02:42] oh wait, he/she replied by e-mail [02:42] fabbione: I've uploaded in Debian a new libept that should work on sparc as well as ia64 and hppa [02:43] mpt, he === Shely [n=huahua@60.20.49.26] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] yes, found it :-) === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Detron [n=Detron@64.241.37.140] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] Hi. I'm a software engineer, and I'd like to help Ubuntu out. Any pointers? [02:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing [02:49] Detron: Depends on what you want to do. Just helping out an upstream project (Gnome, KDE, whatever) helps us. [02:49] Or you can listen to crimsun :) [02:50] hmm. [02:51] Basically, if you want to code, find (or found) a project that interests you and start contributing (patches to fix bugs, new features, etc). [02:51] Probably would be best to help out an upstream project. I've had my eye on Network Manager. Wireless support is the only thing holding me back laptop wise. [02:52] Ideally I'd like to switch back to linux entirely once my 3 year update cycle hits again. === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] Go for network manager :). Although what it does now, it does pretty well (and support now seems limited by wireless drivers rather than n-m bugs), but there's some cool stuff to work on there (connection sharing, multiple active devices, networking-before-login). [02:55] I'll probably try to work on a variety of projects. Unfortunately I'm interning this summer and the apartment the company provided doesn't offer internet (and it's silly to try to get broadband set up for a month). [02:55] http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/developers/ [02:55] It's painful using linux without apt-get...lol. [02:55] yup, there now. [02:56] you'll also want to speak with Lure, asac, and giskard. [02:56] they've touched it recently in Ubuntu. [02:56] Alright. === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8633.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] Do you know if they've decided to drop PPC support or what? I'm grabbing an iso now that's fiesty ppc. [02:58] Or is it community supported now? [02:58] Community supported. [02:58] bummer. [02:58] Guess it makes sense though. === sn- [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vlowther [n=vlowther@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cynics [n=cynics@123.116.98.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] /who BenC === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] iwj_: Have you confused glx and xgl? === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pdenapo [i=pablo@201.255.17.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] Hi, I would like to attract your atention [04:07] to an issue that has been reported a long time ago [04:07] that ubuntu cannot detect a serial mouse [04:07] bug #? [04:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/9068 [04:07] Launchpad bug 9068 in xorg "Serial mice are not autodetected" [Medium,Confirmed] [04:08] I think this issue is very important for usability [04:08] Advanced user like myself can edit the xorg.conf file by hand [04:08] and kill the X server process [04:08] but we cannot ask this to newbbies [04:09] it is not acceptable in a distribution intended to be user-friendly for non-technical users [04:09] I would suggest to add an option to use a serial mouse [04:09] at boot time [04:10] Otherwise, if autodection fails, the live CD is useless === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] computers with serial mouse are still common in undeveloped countries I think [04:11] and Ubuntu is supposed to suport them === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.62.217] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] So, (as someone who's not even a MOTU) it seems that what that bug is waiting for is for someone to offer a full solution. So, the problem seems to be "autodetection cannot work" [04:17] I really don't know, Knoppix for example works fine with serial mouse. I don't know how they do that [04:18] seems to be an mdetect problem [04:18] But I think that autodetection is great when it work [04:19] but it is catastofic when it fails [04:19] so it is not good to depend on it at 100% for something critical [04:20] that results in imposibility to use the system [04:20] so I suggest to provide a way to by pass it [04:21] There already is, right? There's manually editing xorg.conf, and I think that dpkg-reconfigure will offer mouse options. [04:23] pdenapo: serial mice were uncommon 8 or 9 years ago ;) [04:24] pdenapo: everything above 486, and some 486's use ps/2 instead of serial [04:24] and you really don't want to run ubuntu on that kind of hardware I think ;) [04:25] (Xubuntu maybe; big maybe though) [04:25] I think the reason why that bug isn't fixed is that its not obvious how to fix it. The best solution offered seems to be "check whether any mice are detected, and if not assume serial", but it seems that there are different variants of serial-protocols, and it's not possible to autodetect them. [04:28] I'm runnig an AMD athlon K7 with serial mouse! [04:28] (My PS/2 port is broken) === sn0 [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] I insist, if no autodection is possible, [04:29] just offer an option to select at boot time [04:29] like you do with other special hardware [04:29] Um, do we? === RAOF hasn't had to try. [04:30] So what exactly is your solution? You start the LiveCD and... ? [04:30] pdenapo: Are you suggesting a new line in isolinux ("Start with serial mouse support"), or a kernel parameter? [04:31] I'm guessing kernel parameter [04:31] a kernel parameter would be enougth [04:31] to pass to the init scripts [04:32] although I don't know if that really accomplishes much [04:32] I thik this is already done for some hardware [04:32] It doesn't sound much easier than editing xorg.conf [04:32] for some laptops for example [04:32] yeah [04:32] pdenapo: You're thinking of the "noapci", etc, yes? [04:32] I'm not sure [04:33] I think there are options for some toshiba laptops [04:33] for example [04:33] but I see this is perhaps not intuitive for end-users [04:33] anyhow seems to be easier than editing xorg.conf and killing a process [04:34] specially if you have to do that every time you boot the live CD [04:34] but you have to set the kernel paramater everytime [04:35] seems like documenting using dpkg-reconfigure would be the best way [04:36] perhaps [04:38] pdenapo: actually I think your case of a blown up ps2 port is extremely uncommon; also, there's a difference between an isolinux option to work around broken chipsets, and an option to work around broken hardare (ie, you broke the hardware, we're not expected to supported that, ergo it is not unreasonable for you to edit Xorg.conf and kill the relevant processes) [04:38] but that's just my 2 cents [04:39] the problem is [04:39] serial does not provide any way at all to probe what hardware is behind it [04:39] USB does [04:40] Chipzz: So your idea is that serial mouse is something out of date, even if modern computers still can work with them? [04:40] and PS2 only has mice and keyboards [04:40] pdenapo: not only my idea; most current motherboards do not even *have* a serial port anymore [04:40] I think that an SO should support all the hardware available [04:40] pdenapo: and you have to look real hard to even *find* a serial mouse [04:41] let me tell you, I actually looked for a serial mouse 8 years ago; the only thing I could find were ps/2 mice with a ps/2 -> serial convertor [04:41] I'm really disapointed with ubuntu [04:42] I should say, because of this issue [04:42] pdenapo: but again, I'm not a developer, and it's just my 2 cents [04:42] I cannot pass it to a friend and tell him for sure [04:42] that it will work for him [04:42] pdenapo: well, you can ask him if he has a serial mouse [04:43] But you never can. Theres a bunch of hardware that we don't support well. [04:43] and if so point him in the right direction anyway [04:43] but believe me, here in Argentina, are still common [04:43] ok, we still have many old computers [04:43] pdenapo: I'm not saying we shouldn't support serial mice, I'm just saying that all is not lost [04:43] there doesn't seem to be a straightforward way to fix the issue [04:44] anyway, the issue at hand is that you *cannot* probe serial mice; you have to try all protocols, some of which conflict with each other, and there's no way to tell if the protocol you're testing actually works apart from moving the mouse and not see it jump around on the screen [04:44] as it is inherently difficult to automatically detect hardware that doesn't have automatic detection [04:45] There would be no problem [04:45] if anyhow you had an usable desktop [04:45] well, the point is that we can't necessarily give a person that [04:45] but the mouse seems to be critical in order to be able to use the desktop [04:45] from what it sounds === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A71FA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-211-82.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] pdenapo: anyway, for the sake of argument, lets say an option to ""detect"" serial mice was included; your friend would still have to pick a protocol from a list of over 10 different protocols, and he wouldn't know what to pick. How is that any better? [04:48] I don't know, I just wanted to rause your attention on this issue because I thimk that it is important [04:49] but I really don't know the optimal solution [04:50] Which is why it hasn't been fixed yet :) [04:50] perpaps in the mean-time, documenting how to use dpkg [04:50] -reconfigure [04:51] in the release notes would be the more reasonable thing to do [04:51] the only alternative show a dialog on X startup among the lines of: you specified you have a serial mouse; we cannot autodetect this, but this is the list of protocols we already tried, and we're currently testing protocol X. Try moving your mouse around, and if it moves around correctly, press Yes, or press esc if it jumps around. [04:51] and if the user presses esc restart X and try with next protocol [04:51] pdenapo: something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] Chipzz: That sounds like an awful lot of work. [04:53] StevenK: I didn't say we should implement that; but I think it's the "most userfriendly" option available at all ;) === somerville32 [n=cody-som@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:53] another question: why there is no section "how to install Ubuntu" in the oficial docmentation https://help.ubuntu.com/ [04:53] ? [04:53] that is, if the user only has one serial port (because you don't know which serial port the mouse is attached to otherwise, and again, there is no way to tell...) [04:54] pdenapo: the idea is there shouldn't need to be one [04:54] I think it is the first thing that the user will search gor.. [04:54] for... [04:54] (sorry) [04:55] But issues like this shows that might be necesary... [04:55] if the user has some hardware that won't be autodetected [04:55] the only alternative I guess is to hope X can make better guesses wrt serial mice in the future, and just rely on that [04:55] he needs to be aware of [04:56] Another minor usability issue: I've seen that for ADSL conections [04:56] there is the ppoeconf utility === crdlb_ [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] that works fine, but knoppix has a similar utility with a nicer GUI [04:56] perhaps you want to take a look [04:58] whats the name? === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] Sorry I don't know the name [05:07] I was searching in google [05:07] is the same utility but with a Qt based GUI [05:07] it would be nicer to have something like this in Ubuntu === sn0 [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wolfeon [n=wolfeon@alpha.wolfeon.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:15] argh. [05:15] well I gues I should ask motu first :) [05:17] well everybody thank you very much for your listening, good bye === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.62.217] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sloter [n=sloter@pool-71-243-213-144.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sloter [n=sloter@pool-71-243-213-144.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _cerber3 [n=jga@pD9E6371D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sloter [n=sloter@pool-71-243-213-144.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] enrico: ok cool === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sloter [n=sloter@pool-71-243-213-144.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sloter [n=sloter@pool-71-243-213-144.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dAndy [i=dandy@serenity.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zanoi [n=zanoi@zanoi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mirv [n=tajyrink@pdpc/supporter/active/Mirv] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tfheen [n=tfheen@aine.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enyc [n=enyc@1337.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt/developer/Kaloz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kylem [n=kyle@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [i=mb@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpon [n=jpon@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionel [n=lionel@ip-211.net-81-220-127.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thom [n=thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-210-186.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syp| [n=syp@lasigpc9.epfl.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-19-74.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpon [n=jpon@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ijuz_ [n=ijuz@p54ABD1F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === qnyc [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Linux] === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73E2F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] good morning [07:12] morning dholbach === poningru wonders who martin pitt is [07:15] as in what his nick is [07:15] pitti [07:16] grr guess he isnt here [07:16] correct [07:16] he does sleep occasionally [07:16] poningru: what did you need? [07:16] Hobbsee, correct === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi gives Hobbsee a "Correct answer" medal :) [07:16] good morning [07:16] well to the release people: almost done with release notes, will finish up kernel stuff tomorrow after bugging them [07:17] Hobbsee: just needed extra eyes over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Testing/Tribe2 [07:17] poningru: right. looking [07:18] Hobbsee: havent finished kernel stuff === sn- [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] poningru: please dont refer to it as malone [07:19] Gutsy Gibbon has bugs! (I bet you're not surprised). Your comments, bug reports, patches and suggestions will help fix bugs and improve future releases. Please report bugs through [WWW] Malone [07:19] poningru: please use "the ubuntu bugtracker" === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] k [07:20] Hobbsee, let's first bug we know of :) [07:20] there's enough of those :) [07:20] hehe [07:20] ;) [07:21] poningru: s/by gnu just/by the GNU project/ [07:22] Hobbsee: err I was instructed to use that... by the gnu people [07:22] It auto detects if the system is capable of runing compiz and if not the "metacity" window manager is used. -> "It auto detects if the system is capable of runing compiz and if not, falls back to using the "metacity" window manager." ? [07:22] poningru: ahhh okay [07:22] poningru: i just checked their website, and saw the other version [07:22] yeah I asked them specifically because of that [07:22] poningru: neat. taht's fine :) [07:22] though the capitalization is something I didnt ask [07:23] StevenK: k [07:23] sounds better [07:24] ok going to sleep nn and please continue editing === TheMuso should make sure that compiz is not enabled when accessibility is, but I think it may be. [07:26] Yeah, Bart found that Compiz doesn't talk when you Alt-Tab between windows. [07:27] StevenK: Ah ok, so it does get enabled. [07:27] Will have to work on a fix for that post tribe 2. [07:27] hmmmm [07:27] i wonder why "Move to another workspace" doesn't work properly anymore [07:27] poningru: s/Allowing the users /Allows the users/ . Or fix the other tenses, etc. [07:27] it works once and then stop [07:28] TheMuso: Oh sorry, that was for Feisty. Not sure if it's the case for Gutsy. [07:28] StevenK: Ah ok. Will have a look in a while. === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-b200dee335ba7b94] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dufrp [n=paul@ip-66-254-43-110.mqdsl.megaquebec.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] cjwatson_, evand: i would like to upload os-prober after tribe2 to fix a stupid bug on sparc that would spawn (only in certain partition layouts) an extra entry (see #122756). The fix is already in bzr. === Mirv_ [n=tajyrink@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenix24_ [i=ffy@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vprints [n=laur@ip184.cab26.trt.starman.ee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-192-131.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === juhu [n=hgtbv@bas1-ottawa10-1177946887.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === linux_user400354 [n=chris@208-117-26-76.block5.gvtc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@17-235.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] Good morning [09:01] hey pitti [09:02] pitti: sparc-server 27 tested. [09:02] pitti: all good.. 2 minor bugs tho [09:02] pitti: one sparc, one generic [09:02] hey pitti! [09:02] fabbione: yay, any problems? [09:02] pitti: nothing major. and one has a fix in bzr already. waiting main to open to upload [09:03] fabbione: good to hear that the kernel issue is fixed at least :) [09:03] morning pitti! === pitti hugs Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs pitti [09:03] pitti: i've just discovered the most gorgeous set of icons in the world :) [09:03] pitti: yeah that too.. === juhu [n=hgtbv@bas1-ottawa10-1177946887.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:04] Hobbsee: :) [09:04] pitti: http://everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview :) === StevenK waves to pitti === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti grumbles; now all fonts are too big, and the DPI setting in Appearance doesn't have any effect any more [09:05] hello StevenK! [09:05] Hobbsee: schweeeeet [09:05] pitti: oh yes. oh yes. this is kubuntu-default material, when a package is made :) === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:40:213:2ff:fe05:abdb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=Yasumoto@cpe-75-84-49-174.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67032.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee hugs mvo === mvo hugs Hobbsee [09:25] :) === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido-xu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tru_`z24 [n=truz_`24@74-129-166-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti gives mvo a big hug === pochu [n=emilio@78.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] hey pitti :) === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@125.212.15.253] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] mvo and pitti the bugs i filied i may close in next few days since i reinstalled and nothing has crashed nor has frozen so something on my system was messed up [09:33] dholbach: ping? [09:33] gnomefreak: the ones about crashing compiz? [09:34] pitti: yes and gnome-appearance and apport-gtk crash [09:35] gnomefreak: sweet === pygi [n=mario@83-131-0-26.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanDM [n=JanDM@proxy-6.kliksafe.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] dholbach, you're spamming me :P === pbn [i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] LaserJock, ogra: can you, or do you know someone who can give edubuntu server/i386 some testing? === phoenix24 [i=umjfxj@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] hey phoenix24 [09:44] hey pygi [09:44] pitti: I'll once at home, if 11:30 CEST isn't too late for you [09:45] stgraber: no, that's fine; thank you! [09:46] stgraber: maybe ogra already tested them and just didn't report the results yet, let's wait for him as well === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] pitti: Last time I checked we had bug 121547 [09:48] Launchpad bug 121547 in ltsp "[Gutsy] LTSP chroot building process hangs at 50% on Tribe1 CD" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121547 [09:48] (debian-installer had some problem with the new squashfs ltsp image) [09:50] stgraber: erk; that sounds, like, RC? [09:52] pitti: No fair listing cruft if the replacement hasn't cleared NEW yet. :-P [09:53] StevenK: heh :) [09:53] fabbione: pong [09:54] I am creating a package for an icon them, the root dir has no license file, the website the package is from states it is lgpl. how do I go about packaging this correctly/legally? put the LICENSE file in the debian/ dir and add it to the debian/docs file, create a patch to add the LGPL file to the root dir? [09:54] pygi: you could have set those bugs to 'incomplete' yourself ;-) [09:55] dholbach, that's not an excuse :) Just leave the cd-recording bugs to me if you want, I can handle mostly :) Also, I'll take some time next week to look over telepathy bugs [09:55] nixternal: Sounds like what Hobbsee was talking about. [09:55] perhaps I can sort something out ... not as knowledgable in that area, but ... [09:56] hehe [09:56] pygi: thanks - that nice of you [09:56] I asked her first and she said ask here :) [09:56] dholbach, if you don't mind ofcourse ^_^ [09:56] pygi: just mark them as 'incomplete' if you ask for more info [09:56] dholbach, ofcourse :) Sorry, closed 50 bugs in two days, that was too much :) [09:56] well, fixed some, and stuff =) [09:57] no problem :) [09:57] good work [09:57] heh, don't tell me good work [09:57] tell it to yourself and every else here :) === pygi hides now [10:03] dholbach: hey dude.. i am having a problem with gnome i think.. just wondering if it's known already.. basically any window i open, the "Move to anotehr workspace -> Desk N" doesn't work [10:04] dholbach: this is gutsy very latest bla bla bla [10:04] fabbione: is that with compiz? [10:04] dholbach: how can i help to look into this? [10:04] dholbach: i didn't enable compiz myself.. let me check [10:04] ps afxvw | grep compiz [10:04] fabbione, compiz is auto-enabled [10:05] dholbach: no compiz [10:05] if hardware supports it AFAIK [10:05] dholbach: the "Desktop effects" confirm that it is not enabled [10:05] pygi: i already had compiz before the switch and manually switched it off.. [10:05] alright, because compiz has lots of known issues with workspaces/viewports === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@ip-83-141-159-213.evc.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] pygi: if my settings have been changed, that'd be another serious bug [10:06] does it work with a new user? (you could test in gdmflexiserver --xnest) [10:06] fabbione: confirmed (with metacity) [10:06] dholbach: ^ [10:06] pitti: ok thanks. [10:06] pitti: weird - it works nicely for me [10:06] pitti: do you know the bug number? if not, I'll look it up myself [10:06] dholbach: it stopped working a few days ago, but I didn't find the time to report it yet [10:06] pitti: i noticed only yesterday with a few windows.. after a logout/login all of them [10:06] so i want to believe it's some library that did change [10:07] dholbach: 'move one workspace right' works, but not 'move to nth workspace' [10:07] dholbach: i didn't report it either.. wanted to check with you first to spare you a dupe [10:07] pitti: confirmed that too === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] pitti: move to workspace n works for me [10:07] I just tried xchat-gnome and gnome-terminal [10:07] dholbach: even more than once? [10:07] dholbach: I want the fix, too [10:07] dholbach: do you use compiz? [10:08] dholbach: sometimes it did work the first time and stopped at the second [10:08] pitti: no [10:08] fabbione: yes [10:09] it's broken with compiz [10:09] well, compiz breaks *everything* wrt. workspaces, that one is the least of all evils :) === `anthony [n=anthony@203-214-31-175.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] no ubuntu bug filed yet - I'll look for upstream bugs [10:14] hrm... b.g.o seems down === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Admiral_Chicago [n=Freddy@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] pitti: release notes are done to a level i am satistied with [10:16] Admiral_Chicago: thanks for putting this together! [10:17] no problem. good luck on the release. i need sleep now === ivoks [n=ivoks@17-235.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] seb128: did you see something like this in yesterday's apport tests: "warning: Memory read failed for corefile section, 4096 bytes at 0xffffe000." ? [10:23] pitti: " Test add_gdb_info() with a script. ... Failed to read a valid object file image from memory." [10:23] pitti: " warning: Memory read failed for corefile section, 4096 bytes at 0xffffe000." [10:23] " FAIL: Test add_gdb_info() with a script." [10:23] [10:23] that's from yesterday evening [10:24] seb128: that very; was this on a live CD or your production system? IOW, did you have build-essential installed? [10:24] on my desktop [10:24] and it has everything required to build the GNOME stack [10:24] seb128: ok, so that's not it; I got some logs to bug 122688, and one didn't have libc6-dev installed, but that memory read error was on all of them [10:24] Launchpad bug 122688 in gnome-speech "produces empty core dumps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122688 [10:25] seb128: something is fundamentally wrong on i386; I guess I just have to do an i386 installation to figure this out === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] seb128: at least I perfectly reproduced the symptoms of the bug reports; it's really from 0-byte core dumps (as opposed to some wrapping/formatting bugs in apport) === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] seb128: so I'll (1) make apport not create reports for those, and (2) install i386 to find out why that happens [10:27] pitti: I can do remote debugging for you if you want or try to make some forwarding and create you an account if that's easier than doing an install [10:27] seb128: install should be fine === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535d64e6.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenix24_ [i=yfigk@ns37986.ovh.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _spin [n=sp1n@cpe-24-221-176-91.ca.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AzHP [n=azhlee@adsl-70-132-22-252.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] <_spin> how difficult is it to join the team and start fixing bugs? [10:50] _spin: not at all; we specifically maintain a list of bugs which are easy to fix, for new contributors [10:50] _spin: in principle, you can always attach patches to bugs; this is heavily appreciated [10:51] <_spin> how does the integration process work? [10:51] _spin: after patching a bug you should contact a developer about applying it; you can mail the maintainer (if there is one), or generally just ask in #ubuntu-motu [10:52] _spin: people in #ubuntu-motu should be able to direct you to the appropriate person, or just upload it themselves [10:52] _spin: and when you learned the Ubuntu specific processes, you can become a developer yourself [10:53] _spin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment are good entry points for learning more [10:54] fabbione: sure, though please commit it upstream as well if you haven't already === Mirv_ is now known as Mirv [10:55] cjwatson: sure i can do that, but silo-installer in Debian doesn't use os-prober yet.. [10:57] <_spin> pitti: thanks for the help === _spin [n=sp1n@cpe-24-221-176-91.ca.sprintbbd.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:58] you're wel... disappeared already [10:58] fabbione: you could commit that too while you're at it ;-) === mvo [n=egon@p54A67032.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] cjwatson: ok.. i guess i will need to show up on #debian-installer again === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] (that's #debian-boot) [11:01] yeah noticed :) === gizmo [n=gizmo@83.136.81.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AzHP [n=azhlee@adsl-70-132-22-252.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === JanDM [n=JanDM@proxy-6.kliksafe.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] pitti: Hi. I started looking at the rdepends for apache. The order of alternatives doesn't matter, right? So something like "Depends: ..., apache-common | apache2-common | apache2.2-common, ..." is no problem? [11:17] geser: right [11:17] geser: it's not ideal, but works [11:17] geser: and they'll eventually be fixed in Debian [11:18] that's my hope too [11:18] the first blocker I found is slash, Debian bug #429071 [11:18] Debian bug 429071 in slash "please update/request removal of your package" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/429071 === JanDM [n=JanDM@proxy-6.kliksafe.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanDM_ [n=JanDM@proxy-6.kliksafe.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] mjg59: Yes. === oxxa [n=axxo@83.217.70.247] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wolfeon [n=wolfeon@alpha.wolfeon.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] Nafallo: "start" :-) === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] Keybuk: something like that. [11:35] :-) === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] geser: yes, there are plenty of bugs filed in debian, I've found a few that can just be synced === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] see the rc bugs list that I generated, a few of them are apache-related === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-43.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === segfault [n=segfault@cerberus.softwarelivre.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m180 [n=KB@about/philosophy/panzerin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=znarl@jewel.roundabout.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndrewB [n=andy@freenode/helper/ubuntu.member.AndrewB] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toxicity999 [n=bryan@ns2.gprime.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] pitti: starting edubuntu i386 server testing now, you should have the result in something like 30 minutes [11:51] stgraber: great! wow, that's fast [11:54] Hmm. I wonder if I'm just unlucky with this i810-based board, or whether VC switching is generally not reliable nowadays. [11:55] iwj: i810-based board with an ATI video chip sitting on it? [11:56] iwj: I have problems when using composite (switchign back to X -> black screen and hang), but not with metacity [11:57] seb128: I might have an idea about apport: I just use a single read() call for reading the core from stdin; if the kernel isn't fast enough, this delivers 0 bytes and I stop reading [11:57] sladen: Err, no, the i810's built in graphics. I assume it's actually intel; at least none of the logs etc. say anything about ATI. [11:58] seb128: this has never actually caused any trouble with 2.6.20, but maybe some internal stuff changed in .22 to make it more prone to race conditions [11:58] pitti: Hmm. Maybe I should turn off compositing and see if that helps. [11:58] pitti: ah [11:58] seb128: I just committed some patches which ignore 0-byte core dumps as a bandaid [11:58] ok, good [11:58] seb128: after tribe-2 I'll write a test case for delayed stdio feeding, fix problem_report accordingly and upload === seb128 hugs pitti [11:59] seb128: of course we'll don't see empty cores any more anyway, but it might help [11:59] seb128: but I don't want to rebuild CDs for that TBH; let's rather clean up the broken bugs automatically (I'll write a script); do you agree? [12:00] pitti: yeah, no need to roll new CD, I want to unfreeze so we can work again now :p [12:00] seb128: feel free to upload stuff, it'll pile up in the queue [12:00] heno: didn't you see a bug with the "You are here" path on the tracker ? it seems it doesn't show the testcase part when you are on the test results list ... [12:01] pitti: right, I don't like to pile too many changes though, I prefer progressive testing ;) [12:01] heno: this function will definitely need a big rewrite :), it was ugly but at least it worked which seems to be no longer the case :) [12:02] stgraber: indeed, I've been making a list :) [12:03] I've also the "milestone report" drop-down menu which should show the current milestone by default rather than the first (sorted by name), will add the _getpath function in my need a quick fix todolist :) [12:03] ogra: here? === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-164-135-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] pitti, i tested all former isos, but not the current one, thats currently running [12:04] ogra: ah, ok; you are testing edubuntu/i386? [12:04] ogra: server, I mean? [12:04] yep [12:04] iwj: actually, I was looking at a machine yesterday with Intel graphics and VC switching issue. The solution was to C-M-F7 C-M-KP- C-M-KP+ to flip the mode and back again [12:04] ogra: stgraber does as well, maybe you can coordinate [12:05] sure [12:05] ogra: well, autoresize etc. is already covered by the other ISOs, so I guess there's no need to test every variant [12:05] ogra: thanks *hug* [12:05] :) [12:05] ogra: It's currently installing the desktop packages on an "erase all" install [12:06] asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Testing/Tribe2 calls the ffox 3 alpha 'Minefield'; I thought this was 'Gran Paradiso'? [12:06] stgraber, there is one ltsp bug i didnt file yet, you need to comment next-server in the dhcpd.conf (fixed in my local branch already) debian cant do without it it seems :) [12:07] ok :) [12:07] ogra: WDYT about bug 121547? does it affect everyone? [12:07] Launchpad bug 121547 in ltsp "[Gutsy] LTSP chroot building process hangs at 50% on Tribe1 CD" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121547 [12:07] pitti, yes, every server install [12:07] ogra: ah, that's the "unresponsive" issue [12:07] ? [12:08] (...of edubuntu) [12:08] yeps [12:08] pitti: yes thats granparadiso [12:08] ogra: that sounds worth mentioning in the release notes [12:08] it takes 8min here for me for the mksquashfs run ... during that time you dont have disk activity or so as you usually have once in a while in d-i [12:08] yeah [12:08] asac: ok, I'll change that [12:09] ogra: can this be fixed (progress bar or so) for tribe-3? [12:09] yep [12:09]