[03:03] <alienseer23> Q: is there any sort of a time table on when other devices (palm t|x?) might be supported by this project?
[03:11] <rusty> i don't think so, but i think all that it would really take is for some people to step up and start doing the work
[10:01] <bspencer> tko -- you around?
[10:25] <Mithrandir> hi Bob
[10:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: the list of licences used; do you have any thoughts on how we should provide that?
[10:48] <mdz> Mithrandir: an aggregation of /usr/share/doc/*/copyright should suffice, no?
[10:52] <Mithrandir> I would think so, yes
[02:01] <Mithrandir> mdz: can you either review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-kernel or change the approver to be ubuntu-mobile?
[02:02] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: good morning
[02:02] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Good morning!
[02:02] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/WindowManager still contains some of the boilerplate text.  Could you remove that?
[02:03] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Sure
[02:03] <Mithrandir> thanks
[02:06] <mdz> Mithrandir: done (the latter)
[02:07] <Mithrandir> thanks
[02:45] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure claims just su-ing to the UME user will start dbus; it doesn't for me.  Are you sure you haven't done some manual changes to make that happen?
[02:46] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: This was sugested by Rusty and actually worked for me. I tested those instructions to the letter twice and everything worked as expected.
[02:46] <Mithrandir> hmm
[02:46] <Mithrandir> weird
[02:47] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: And, IIRC, there were more people who did the same.
[02:48] <Mithrandir> well, logging in as a user in a non-GUI environment shouldn't start dbus. :-P
[02:49] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Now you got me ;) I really don't know what's exact circunstances for dbus to work.
[02:50] <Mithrandir> you're sure you did su - and not just su ?
[02:51] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Well, AFAIR, I did su -; of course it's a detail that could have escape me even twice.
[02:52] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I can give it another shot later.
[02:52] <Mithrandir> can you test that $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is unset for you when you're root in the chroot?
[02:52] <Mithrandir> and then that it's set after you su - ume ?
[02:53] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Sure. Give me a few minutes (I'll brb) and I'll test it agin for you.
[02:53] <Mithrandir> thanks
[03:13] <agoliveira>  Mithrandir: I'm starting the instalation procedure again, from scratch following exactly the instructions  paying attention to the dbus as you requested. I'll return to you with the result as soon as it's done. 
[03:15] <Mithrandir> cheers
[03:28] <lool> Uh, 65 notification mails for hildon-control-panel
[03:30] <Mithrandir> hm
[03:30] <Mithrandir> that sounds slightly excessive
[03:30] <agoliveira> lool: uh uh
[03:30] <Mithrandir> I switched the branch over
[03:30] <Mithrandir> sorry; I didn't know it would be that noisy. :-/
[03:31] <agoliveira> Talking about this, should I rebranch ubuntu or this will done by LP?
[03:31] <lool> I was surprized, but no problem
[03:32] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: I did it, so https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/hildon-control-panel/ubuntu is now branched off the new control panel branch
[03:32] <Mithrandir> this is what caused all the mails.
[03:32] <agoliveira> Ah, I suspected that. Thanks.
[03:33] <agoliveira> Well, it was expected to make some comotion as this is a complete rewrite.
[03:41] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I just completed the test. $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS before su - ume is unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-ziKEqhtaUs,guid=9ee983efe42d1b92843187004683a1e0 but after, is empty but anyway I was able to start hildon-desktop and it looks normal. Right now I'm running sudoku on it, have the bar on the left with icons, app switcer, etc
[03:43] <Mithrandir> can you set the background too?
[03:43] <agoliveira> Yes.
[03:43] <Mithrandir> hmm, ok
[03:43] <Mithrandir> does the ume user have a dbus daemon running?
[03:43] <agoliveira> Browse and all
[03:45] <agoliveira> dbus is running
[03:45] <Mithrandir> tko_: any idea why state_size in osso_state_t is a guint32 and not a gsize?
[03:45] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: a session dbus for that particular user?
[03:46] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: No. There's only the previous instance.
[03:46] <Mithrandir> ok
[03:46] <Mithrandir> that's what I thought.
[03:47] <Mithrandir> so the startup script should start dbus too.
[03:48] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I wonder why Rusty tought that just su - would do that.
[03:48] <Mithrandir> no idea
[03:48] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Well, anyway, looks like the latest patches (besides new hildon-control-panel) are already there. No more crashes that I can see.
[03:49] <Mithrandir> yeah, seems to work for me too, sans the fact that it's mostly broken on amd64
[03:49] <Mithrandir> I don't think we'll be able to fix that for this iteration, though
[03:50] <agoliveira> Agreed. There must being a lot of tidbits regarding that.
[03:50] <agoliveira> s/being/be
[04:00] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Anything you need me for right now? As we are going to have the distro meeting in 1 hour, right over my lunch time, I'm going now grab something to eat
[04:01] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: please, just find some food. :-)
[04:01] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Cool. See you later.
[04:01] <Mithrandir> see you around
[06:31] <charliefjohnson> folks - I'm attempting to explain to another Intel person how to request membership in the mobile and embedded project.  Once they have a Launchpad login, is it obvious ??
[07:02] <agoliveira> charliefjohnson: Hi. The group is moderated so he needs to be included IIRC but I don't know what's the proper procedure.