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superm1to that12:31
Davieysuperm1: anybody can make a factoid12:32
Davieyjust needs approval from ubuntu-ops12:33
superm1oh so it doesn't even need to be Seveas?12:33
Davieyyep12:33
DavieyIIRC you just need to type: ub0tu: mythbuntu is xyz12:34
Daviey(chang the nick back) :)12:34
superm1okay i msged it to ubotu12:35
superm1we'll see if she learns it12:35
Davieydid he say, i'll remember that?12:36
superm1she said she'll as #ubuntu-ops12:36
superm1to ack it12:36
Daviey15:35 < ubotu> In ubotu, superm1 said: mythbuntu is An Ubuntu derivative centered upon setting up a standalone MythTV box.  See http://www.mythbuntu.org for more information12:36
kruuliyay \o/ its fucking working!12:36
Davieysuperm1: approved!12:37
superm115:35.... how are you 2 hours behind me Daviey ?12:37
Daviey!mythbuntu12:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mythbuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:37
superm1!mythbuntu12:37
superm1its 17:35 on my clock12:37
Davieysuperm1: I'm working from a warped timezone12:38
superm1ah that makes sense12:38
superm1to get more time to finish the metas before tomorrow :)12:38
Davieyyep!12:38
DavieyThat's california time12:38
superm1good idea12:38
DavieyAh.. seems ubotu is broken :(12:39
superm1!mythbuntu12:42
ubotumythbuntu is an Ubuntu derivative centered upon setting up a standalone MythTV system. See: http://www.mythbuntu.org for more information12:42
superm1there we go12:42
Daviey!mythbuntu12:42
Davieytoo fast12:43
Davieyseems there is a bug with the caps.. :SX12:44
Davieyie:12:44
Daviey!Mythbuntu12:44
ubotumythbuntu is an Ubuntu derivative centered upon setting up a standalone MythTV system. See: http://www.mythbuntu.org for more information12:44
Davieybut they couldn't add it with a caps for some reason.. odd12:44
Daviey!Mythbuntu12:47
ubotuMythbuntu is an Ubuntu derivative centered upon setting up a standalone MythTV system. See: http://www.mythbuntu.org for more information12:47
Daviey^ Cap :)12:47
superm1Daviey, who are you talking to about that?12:47
Daviey #ubuntu-ops12:47
superm1your not in it according to whois though?12:47
Davieyyou're whois is borked12:48
Davieyif i whois myself it shows12:48
superm1weird12:48
Davieychannels : #mythtv-users #ubuntu-kernel ##kernel #ubuntu-fridge #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-ops #ubuntu-mythtv #ubuntu-uk12:48
superm1* [Daviey]  (i=daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey): Dave Walker12:49
superm1* [Daviey]  #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-mythtv12:49
superm1works on myself though12:49
superm1* [superm1]  (i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1): Mario Limonciello12:49
superm1* [superm1]  #ubuntu-chicago #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-mythtv12:49
superm1is that the same thing you see?12:49
DavieyAhh. It is only show the channels we share existance in12:49
Davieysuperm1: you = channels : #ubuntu-chicago #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-mythtv12:50
DavieyI must have switched on hiding or something12:50
superm1no that can't be it12:50
superm1because look at this12:50
superm1* [rogue780]  (n=rogue780@c-68-55-176-33.hsd1.md.comcast.net): shawn haggard12:50
superm1* [rogue780]  #dovecot #qmail #postfix #mysql #skyos #gimp ##php ##c++ #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-mythtv #ubuntu12:50
superm1oh12:50
DavieyI think there is a account option to hide you12:50
superm1you swtiched on hiding12:50
superm1not me12:50
Davieyyeah12:51
DavieyDidn't actually know it did that.. how odd12:51
superm1don't see such an option for xchat12:52
superm1irssi must have it though then huh12:52
Davieynaa it's a /msg nickserv option12:52
Davieytry whoising me now12:55
superm1same thing12:55
kruulijust wanna say thank you guys for helping me with this .. know ive been a pain in the ass sometimes but now my htpc is up and running and everything is working :D12:56
superm1glad everything is working kruuli :)12:56
kruulithanks mate!12:56
kruulibut ive got to say12:56
kruuliif someone asks me if they should install a linux htpc and they never even touched linux befor ..ill say NO!12:57
kruuli:p12:57
superm1well kruuli the goal of mythbuntu here in the end will be so that people who aren't very experienced can set a machine up12:57
kruuliyeah i think it will be great :)12:58
superm1so if you can compile a list of things you ran into that need to be fixed, it can definitely help the process12:58
kruulibc now when i got it running it rocks! love the mythweb!12:58
kruulii will do that!12:58
superm1or things that documentation is non existant12:58
superm1or needs updating12:58
superm1anything like that12:58
kruuliyeah ill sit down tomorrow and go thru it12:59
superm1those of us using these things and working on them on a day to day basis don't catch such things12:59
superm1awesome12:59
kruulibtw .. did you ever get to test you new shine nvidia stuff?12:59
superm1yes12:59
superm1and it works on the tv's i've tried with12:59
kruulihehe can understand that .. didnt know what sudo was when i started :12:59
superm1but my friend said it drove his monitor to way to high of a resolution12:59
kruuligreat!12:59
superm1so i'll have to see what the input is after next alpha01:00
kruulidid you say "whine"?01:00
kruuli^^01:00
superm1i did?01:00
kruulinah .. meant to your friend who were complaining about the res :>01:02
kruuliif that was your answer01:02
superm1haha.01:02
superm1i told him that i'll think about it01:02
kruulihehe01:03
kruulifound out some stuff about xbmcmythtv btw01:03
kruuliit sucks at Live Tv01:03
kruulinot even working atm01:03
kruulihow fast is the channel changing on a mythfrontend?01:04
superm1depends on the tuner01:04
kruuliany experince with the pvr 150?01:07
kruulicuz in xbmcmythtv it takes like 10-15 sec to start it01:07
DavieyTakes me around 5 secs to change livetc channel01:08
kruuliah k01:08
kruuliand xbmc prolly takes 5 sec to cache the file01:08
superm1when i tune an analogue station, it takes 1-2 seconds01:13
superm1for digital stations if its on the same mplex, its <1 second01:13
superm1if its a different mplex, its 8>time>5 seconds01:14
Davieysame multiplex still takes me 5-7 secs01:15
superm1but i never notice any of the times though01:15
superm1because i dont watch live :)01:15
Davieyme neither01:16
Davieybut the misses watches music channels on livetv01:16
rogue780superm1, what's that?01:16
Davieysometimes i'll put livetv on for the daughters cartoons01:16
superm1rogue780, you were used as an example01:16
superm1dont worry :)01:16
rogue780'tis ok. I'm used to being used ;)01:17
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Davieyhopefullt others will learn not to be naughty01:17
Daviey:)01:17
rogue780good news everyone...I defeated someone at supreme commander01:17
rogue780'twas quite a battle...but in the end he who held the largest gun won01:18
superm1keescook, don't worry about the gtk theme later this week, i got themuso to re-ack and upload it01:18
rogue780is there a way to have myth reenter previously recorded shows into the database when the database was lost and all you have is the drive that stores videos?01:19
superm1rogue780, yes01:21
superm1but its not fun01:21
superm1there is a script in the contrib directory (/usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib i think)01:22
Davieyyeah, you'll need to manually type the name etc of the shows01:22
superm1imo its not worth it01:22
superm1watch what you need through mythvideo01:22
Davieyunless you can grab a backlisting from somebody01:23
superm1and then delete it01:23
rogue780seems to me, now call me crazy, that as myth records and deletes it should maintain a file...like /videos/.showmetadata that can be read in the event of a crash01:23
superm1rogue780, which packages are you using?01:24
superm1feisty?01:24
superm1there are database backups made01:24
rogue780I seem to mess up my server a lot...I should know better, but I just can't help myself from messin' with stuff01:24
superm1automatically01:24
rogue780superm1, right....is there a way to define where the backups are stored?01:24
superm1atm they go to /var/backups i think01:24
superm1dont remember off hand01:24
superm1its somewhere in /var01:25
superm1and yes that can be customized01:25
Davieyrogue780: you can export an sql file for each recording.. that could be made to be a cron job with some hacking.  Then it would store a .sql file for each recoridng01:25
superm1but if you have a DB backup, you can just restore that01:25
superm1and hopefully get a lot of them back01:26
rogue780that would be cool if I could customize it...'cause it's useless as ::random noun:: on a ::other random noun:: if it's on the same drive that dies01:26
superm1easily01:26
rogue780I used to have a cron job that backed up the entire mythconverg database...but I lost it01:26
Davieyrogue780: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl01:26
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rogue780superm1, how'd you get a list of all the channels I'm in?01:27
Daviey /whois $NICK01:27
rogue780sweetness01:28
rogue780well I think I'm gonna buy a new car01:28
superm1DaveMorris, i told you that mythtv-setup is moved to before reboot right01:29
superm1so the docs could reflect that01:29
rogue780my clutch just died...and so I'm gonna fix it and get a new (used) one before more things start breaking :)01:29
kruulienglish word for a tv picture jumping all over the place?01:30
kruulichoppy picture?01:30
rogue780garbled01:30
kruulithanks01:30
rogue780I would go with garbled01:30
superm1rogue780, can you get pms?01:31
Davieynormally only females can AIUI01:31
superm1haha Daviey very funny01:32
rogue780lol01:34
keescooksuperm1: sweet, thanks01:35
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DaveMorrissuperm1: yep01:39
superm1DaveMorris, I can get you more screen caps showing that if you need them later tonight01:39
superm1so you dont have to download the ISO01:39
superm1to make them01:39
DaveMorrisnah, not yet01:39
superm1ok01:39
DaveMorrisI'll get all the drafts sorted 1st01:40
superm1k.  i've got some finishing touches re: vnc to make sure the passwords are sane length, and then toy with the prefilling the database and i'm done with everything planned on alpha 201:41
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tyrus40beCan anyone help a linux-newby? I've installed Ubuntu 7.04, done a update, made a LinuxMCE CD from the iso, downloaded and run the mce-installer. I didn't see any CD-access and the 'instell Linux MCE'-icon doesn't do much except asking my password!10:54
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tyrus40beCan anyone help a linux-newby? I've installed Ubuntu 7.04, done a update, made a LinuxMCE CD from the iso, downloaded and run the mce-installer. I didn't see any CD-access and the 'instell Linux MCE'-icon doesn't do much except asking my password!10:56
DaveMorrisoh well11:10
lagathis is the right channel to ask stuff about linuxmce, huh?11:26
DaveMorrisyep11:30
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anodesniHI03:28
DaveMorrishi03:28
anodesniMy xdtv recordings don't have sound03:28
anodesniI guess xdtv can't find my tv-sound source03:28
anodesniDoes anyone know how to solve it03:29
DaveMorrisxdtv, whats that?03:29
anodesnithat's a tv application03:29
anodesnito watch and record tv03:29
DaveMorrisok, and your trying to play them back with mythtv?03:29
anodesnino03:30
anodesniI thougth you guys know how to solve this problem03:30
anodesniAnd the #ubuntu  channel is too busy03:30
DaveMorrisI personally don't, I've never used the software03:30
DaveMorrisis there a ubuntu-mce channel?03:30
DaveMorris!mce03:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mce - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:31
DaveMorris!ubuntu-mce03:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-mce - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:31
anodesniI don't know, I see03:31
anodesniok03:31
DaveMorris!umc03:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about umc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:31
superm1DaveMorris, okay fyi: root mysql password stuff is added now, vnc password length is restricted to 6+ characters03:32
anodesnithere is no ubuntu mce channel03:32
lagaanodesni: then talk to the ubuntu MCE guys03:33
lagaoh03:33
lagayou are not using ubuntu mce, right? hm03:34
anodesniI said, there is NO ubuntu mce channel03:34
lagaanodesni: there are other means of contacting them.03:34
anodesniI know03:34
anodesniactually I just want to record some tv03:34
anodesniI don't know how to do it03:34
anodesniand mythtv is just overkill for me03:35
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ObeahIs there an  alternative to Zap2it?03:38
superm1Obeah, not at this poitn03:43
superm1the mythtv devs are stilll working that out03:43
rogue780I love vnc over 10 miles03:46
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lagarogue780: miles?04:06
DaveMorris1 mile = ~2.2km04:06
lagamy traffic gets routed through berlin first, and that's like the other end of germany04:06
lagaDaveMorris: ORLY? :)04:06
rogue7801mi = 5280ft ;)04:07
rogue780I think04:07
DaveMorrisso, 1.6km04:07
DaveMorris*sorry04:07
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superm1_imbrandon, are you here?04:24
imbrandonyea04:33
imbrandonsorry i'll get back to your email to04:33
imbrandonbeen hela busy04:33
superm1_sounds like it, haven't seen you around irc in ages :)04:33
imbrandonhehe i'm always on04:33
imbrandonabout 12 hours a day but i rarely talk04:33
imbrandon:)04:33
superm1_well while we have you, did you ever get the multiple aliases sorted out?04:34
superm1_so we can have mock mailing lists via mythbuntu.org04:34
imbrandonahh i totaly forgot aobut it honestly04:35
imbrandoni'll get on that today04:35
imbrandonits my "friday" at work and i'm off in 30 minutes so i'll have time04:35
imbrandon:)04:35
superm1_awesome04:35
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superm1laga I looked closer to the templates yesterday, i don't know why I didn't even think of the possibility of there being code for a user AND a password.  silly me  - now i'll have to add a user to the gui too)05:29
lagaheh :)05:36
DaveMorrissuperm1: http://pastebin.ca/59381705:44
Davieybah.. AIUI that would mean it would require irexec rather than using the hooks mythfrontend provides05:49
DaveMorrisirexec?05:49
DavieyI mean simulating keypresses using the remote rather than using the events mythFE exposes05:50
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DaveMorris\me uses and ATI RW2 though05:51
Davieyi think i've confused myself now :S05:52
DaveMorrisI'll try it over the weekend05:53
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superm1DaveMorris, so i'm confused now06:22
superm1DaveMorris, they want a lirc configuration plugin?06:22
DaveMorrisno I was asking about one, and mythcontrol might be able to do it they said, if not it can prob be easily added to it06:27
superm1OpenMedia has a web based remote06:28
superm1that they wrote06:28
superm1and were going to contribute06:28
superm1mythcontorls can likely do as said though06:28
superm1*mythcontrols06:28
superm1we'll have to talk about mythbuntu plans for lirc for alpha 3 as soon as alpha 2 is announced06:29
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DaveMorriswebbased remote?  that configuring it?  #06:30
superm1to control from a web browser06:30
superm1say on a mobile phone06:30
superm1or a laptop06:30
DaveMorrishmmm06:31
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DaveMorrisso I connect over gprs on my mobile, up to the net and back down again06:31
DaveMorrissounds expensive06:31
Davieysuperm1: where are the 'devscripts' for the meta's?06:33
DavieyDoh!06:33
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imbrandonhttp://digg.com/linux_unix/NATIVE_Google_Desktop_for_Ubuntu_with_Debs_and_Screenshot07:32
imbrandondigg my story please07:32
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rogue780dugg it07:36
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Davieyimbrandon: dugg :)07:59
kruulielo07:59
kruuliany tip to reduce flickering07:59
Davieywhat sort of flickering?08:00
kruuliwell the picture is in 2 layers sometime08:03
kruulidistorted08:03
kruuliand very jumpy08:03
DavieyI'm not certain what you mean; but maybe de-interlacing might help08:03
kruulii should add that as a filter?08:04
Davieyyeah08:04
kruulithanks daviey08:04
Davieywhat processor does our fe have?08:05
Davieydoes *your fe..08:06
kruuliive got the EPIA-M card08:07
kruuliVIA C3/ VIA Eden EBGA processor08:07
kruuli933mhz08:08
DavieyI think you want to use 'Bob' then08:14
rogue780kruuli, what kind of output are you using?08:17
kruulinone08:17
kruulistreaming to my xbox08:18
rogue780oh08:18
kruuliusing xbmcmythtv08:18
Davieyoh, that changes everything then :)08:18
kruuliit does? :o08:18
kruuli^^08:18
DavieyI thought this was problems on a myth based system08:18
DavieyI know nothing about xbmcmythtv08:19
kruuliits a mythbased problem08:19
DavieyOne thing i would expect is the hardware is limiting you.  It's only a dinky processor08:19
kruulimy recordings are not working08:19
kruulithe cpu got a workload for like 10% when recording08:19
Davieywhen you're watching a programme; try 'top' to see what the usage is08:19
kruuliim talking about recordings :)08:19
Daviey(on the xbox frontend)08:19
rogue780kruuli, can you view the recordings on another system? and is it HD or SD?08:19
kruulinot hd08:20
kruuliim recording them on my pc .. streams thru the network to my xmbcmythtv08:20
DavieyVIA Backend ---> XBox Frontend - right?08:20
kruuliyeah08:20
kruuliand im not talking live tv08:20
kruulionly rec08:20
DavieySee what the 'top' is when watching..08:20
rogue780then the xb should be able to handle the video as far as processor is concerned08:20
kruulii wasnt watching anything when this was recorded08:21
Davieyworth ruling out first imo08:21
kruuliits the recording it self thats broken08:21
DavieySo on your VIA system, it also looks naff?08:21
kruuliyes08:22
rogue780kruuli, what kind of input cards are you using? and are they correct as far as PAL/NTSC is concerned?08:23
kruulirogue780 using the pvr 150 thats it and everything is set to PAL08:23
Davieygood signal?08:24
kruuliyes08:24
rogue780is the frequency setting in mythtv-setup right?08:24
kruuliusing a gold layer Supra cable08:24
kruuliyes the picture is as good as it gets when using a analog source08:25
rogue780can you try the cards in a different system?08:26
kruuliits more interlacing on specific channels .. on some there are none08:26
kruulirogue780 yeah can try the 150 on this computer08:26
rogue780have you tried turning on deinterlace? or trying a different interlace scheme?08:26
kruulibut do you think the card itself is broken?08:27
kruulino i have not08:27
kruuliwill try that now08:27
kruuliadded de-interlacing to the videofilter option in mythweb08:29
kruuliall i need to do to try it?08:29
kruulithe workload is below 5% when recording08:30
rogue780try that. also if that doesn't work then in the setup menu of mythtv on your frontend under the tv playback options there is also a deinterlace option08:30
kruuliok08:30
rogue780not sure if it is there with xbmcmythtv, but it should be08:30
kruulixbmcmythtv is just a mplayer with the information that the backend gives out08:31
rogue780ah08:31
rogue780well see if that deinterlace option in mythweb helps08:31
kruuliit takes the info from the mysql db and grabber thats it .. uses SMB to stream the file08:31
kruuliyeah recording as we speak :D08:32
rogue780'cause that's probably the problem..you're playing interlaced video on a progressive scan display08:32
kruulihum ok08:32
kruuliwhy is it using interlaced?08:32
rogue780television signals are interlaced, and normal televisions interpret interlaced signals...it used to be more efficient back in the day. as technology progressed the standard was not updated for SDTV08:33
kruuliah ok08:33
rogue780so the signal is sent as two signals (AFAIK) and the tv puts it back together with the CRT08:34
kruuliso normaly my tv takes care of the "problem" on the fly :>08:34
rogue780right08:34
kruulibut my tv supports both standards .. should it not adjust?08:34
rogue780what kind of input are you using into the tv?08:35
kruulixbox08:35
kruuliscart08:35
kruuliah but the problem is the 150 card right? its recording in progressive on a interlaced signal?08:35
lagano.08:36
rogue780right. scart signals aren't normally interlaced...so the tv doesn't know it's interlaced08:36
lagarogue780: scart signals are normally interlaced.08:36
lagait's just composite/s-vhs/RGB.08:36
rogue780laga, really? I thought they were progressive08:36
rogue780my bad.08:36
lagathe problem would be the tv-out encoder in the xbox, IMHO08:36
lagathe tv-out encoder takes a progressive signal and outputs an interlaced one. if they timing/fields of the input video don't exactly match what the tv-out encoder is going to output, you will get artefacts08:37
lagas/they/the/08:38
lagaat least that's how i understand it :)08:38
kruulilaga i can RW my chip between NTSC and PAL08:39
kruuliwich one is to prefer?08:40
kruulimy tv supports both aswell08:40
kruulichip on the xbox that is08:40
lagaalways get as close as possible to the input signal08:40
lagaeg your recordings08:40
kruuliPAL it is then08:42
kruuliupdate08:57
kruulide-interlacing filter made it alot better08:57
Davieywoooo08:57
kruulibut im still experincing some artifacts08:57
kruuliits worse during the commercials for some reason08:58
kruulishould i try08:58
kruulisettings-> tv -> playback enable deinterlace and select kernel-deinterlacer08:58
kruulithat?08:58
kruulithink my system will be up for it? the workload is about 8% when recording and watching08:59
kruulihum wait a minute08:59
kruulithats a setting in the mythtv frontend right?08:59
kruuliim not even using that :o08:59
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superm1Daviey, devscripts for metas?09:49
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kruuliive yet to come up with a good way to search my hd for files in ubuntu .. any sugestions?11:43
kruuli*suggestions11:43
superm1kruuli, beagle, strigi, or google desktop11:44
kruulithanks again superm1 .. gonna try google dekstop i belive .. thought about installing it on my win pc before :)11:45
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