[12:29] <jtg23> it was in ubuntu
[12:29] <cellofellow> lsusb
[12:29] <servaas-xubuntu-> jtg23: lsusb
[12:30] <jtg23> k no working leases in persistent data base - sleeping
[12:30] <jtg23> bus 001 device 002:  id 0ace:1215 ZyDAS (as expected, no?)
[12:31] <servaas-xubuntu-> what shows iwconfig you ?
[12:31] <jtg23> eth1 802.11g zd1211 essid:""
[12:31] <jtg23> access point invalid
[12:31] <jtg23> bit rate 1Mb/s
[12:31] <jtg23> waoh
[12:31] <jtg23> link quality 93/100 signal level 93/100
[12:32] <servaas-xubuntu-> so you have to set your essid
[12:32] <servaas-xubuntu-> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid .....
[12:33] <jtg23> nope
[12:33] <servaas-xubuntu-> you can find essid with iwlist eth1 scan
[12:33] <jtg23> i've done this before too btw
[12:33] <jtg23> i mean this specific task of setting my essid
[12:34] <servaas-xubuntu-> accespoint invalid
[12:34] <jtg23> yeah, waht's that about
[12:34] <servaas-xubuntu-> man iwconfig ... and read about acces point
[12:35] <Ramon> damn i guess I'm the only one having this issue :o
[12:35] <Ramon> ok people brb later gonna get some other info :) take care
[12:36] <servaas-xubuntu-> because you didnt set essid you dont have acces point i think
[12:36] <jtg23> ok getting weirder....i did ap auto and it has a mac address now for access point
[12:36] <jtg23> and i have a line item for inet6 addr but still not for inet addr
[12:36] <servaas-xubuntu-> ok now set an essid
[12:36] <jtg23> again?
[12:37] <servaas-xubuntu-> yes
[12:37] <cellofellow> (is there a difference between a ssid and an essid?)
[12:37] <jtg23> omfg
[12:37] <servaas-xubuntu-> moment
[12:37] <jtg23> servaas xubuntu i could ....send you cookies
[12:37] <jtg23> (not really i'm terrible with the post, but i'm very grateful right now)
[12:37] <servaas-xubuntu-> so connected?
[12:38] <jtg23> yes though teh wifi card is still not lit up incidentally but it works so that's all that matters to me
[12:38] <jtg23> now on to wpa :)
[12:38] <jtg23> thanks a lot for your assistance
[12:38] <servaas-xubuntu-> ok to get ip trough dhcp
[12:38] <servaas-xubuntu-> sudo dhclient
[12:39] <servaas-xubuntu-> jtg23: so you are not leaving the xubuntu communitie :-) ?
[12:39] <jtg23> no i'm very excited
[12:39] <jtg23> i was worried and dejected
[12:40] <jtg23> now to do something with the tool instead of tooling with it :)
[12:40] <jtg23> so why did i have to do the essid again?
[12:40] <jtg23> oh cuz there was no valid ap
[12:40] <jtg23> i get it, i get it
[12:40] <servaas-xubuntu-> yes
[12:40] <jtg23> i got the ip automatically once the essid was right and the ap was too
[12:40] <jtg23> ok i was not familiar with lsmod before; that will help me a lot
[12:41] <Jester45> jtg23, do you know about tab completion, try typing serv then press tab. (i noticed that you spelled servaas-xubuntu-  name but without the -)
[12:41] <nikolam> Nice :) Ist so nice :)
[12:41] <servaas-xubuntu-> then dhclient was up already and runnig and doing its job well
[12:41] <jtg23> if i had ethernet instead of usb would i do lseth or something to probe the jack?
[12:41] <jtg23> irc has tab completion?
[12:41] <jtg23> servaas-xubuntu-: woah
[12:41] <jtg23> haha i type so much extra
[12:41] <Jester45> :)
[12:41] <jtg23> thx Jester45
[12:42] <Jester45> good thing i got a good eye for detail
[12:42] <jtg23> word up
[12:42] <jtg23> now if yall will excuse me, i've got baristas to flirt with
[12:42] <jtg23> later!
[12:42] <servaas-xubuntu-> later
[12:42] <servaas-xubuntu-> i love this !
[12:42] <Jester45> love what
[12:43] <servaas-xubuntu-> keeping people in! the community with some little help
[12:43] <servaas-xubuntu-> iam newbe aswell
[12:44] <Jester45> o
[12:44] <cellofellow> I was like that about a year ago.
[12:45] <cellofellow> Now I am no longer newbie.
[12:45] <servaas-xubuntu-> 1 thing i learned is read everything you can and ask everything you dont read and dont give up
[12:45] <Jester45> when did you get xubuntu cellofellow edgy or dapper
[12:46] <cellofellow> I started with Kubuntu just when Dapper was released. Switched to Xubuntu at Edgy.
[12:46] <Jester45> servaas-xubuntu-, a 2nd hint is use man
[12:46] <nikolam> "Dont give up" That is crucial thought.
[12:47] <nikolam> I spent a month in strugle to make my usb adsl modem to work and.. after that everything was nicer .. :)
[12:47] <servaas-xubuntu-> i man always first than info it then google it then forum it than irc it etc
[12:47] <Jester45> and another thing thats usefull is to browser wikipedia to know what things are (gentoo wiki if you want to get how tos )
[12:48] <cellofellow> The gentoo wiki rocks for general Linux knowledge. Ubuntu/Debian specific stuff it doesn't have.
[12:48] <Jester45> but once you know some simple things you can convert a lot of the how tos
[12:48] <servaas-xubuntu-> the reason is that i know what to ask ?
[12:49] <servaas-xubuntu-> !
[12:49] <cellofellow> just keep at it man, and you'll love it even more.
[12:50] <Jester45> servaas-xubuntu-, have you heard about beryl or compiz?
[12:51] <servaas-xubuntu-> but on irc i feel there are maany geeks reading but not speedy with answering ... just a feeling
[12:51] <Jester45> its called lurking
[12:51] <servaas-xubuntu-> i already had both installed and working
[12:51] <Jester45> your looking at irc but not doing anything on it
[12:51] <servaas-xubuntu-> but not using it now
[12:52] <Jester45> TheSheep, is a great lurker
[12:52] <servaas-xubuntu-> ok learned something lurking hahaha
[12:53] <cellofellow> TheSheep almost never logs off.
[12:53] <TheSheep> cellofellow: why should I log off?
[12:53] <Jester45> its because he is a group of scientist
[12:54] <Jester45> HIS BACK
[12:54] <servaas-xubuntu-> i always log off and shutdown power saving you know
[12:54] <TheSheep> Jester45: my back?
[12:54] <servaas-xubuntu-> hahaha
[12:54] <TheSheep> *at
[12:55] <servaas-xubuntu-> for a sheeep ?
[12:55] <cellofellow> TheSheep: you don't have to. Maybe mark yourself Away once in a while.
[12:56] <nikolam> Goobye folks! got to sleep :) Have a great time xubuntuing :)))
[12:57] <servaas-xubuntu-> Jester45: what about the merge between compiz beryl ? do you there will be soon new packages for xubuntu
[12:58] <servaas-xubuntu-> paste think ...
[12:58] <cellofellow> Not till Gutsy I think.
[12:58] <Jester45> there is packages and im running it
[12:58] <cellofellow> Jester45: I gotta say getdeb.net is sweet. Wish they ran a repo instead of having to download with the browser.
[12:59] <servaas-xubuntu-> already written the howto for it or just syptic it ?
[12:59] <cellofellow> aptitude > synaptic
[12:59] <Jester45> hehe
[12:59] <Jester45> cellofellow, is right
[12:59] <Jester45> dpgk > synaptic
[01:00] <cellofellow> except that synaptic is built on dpkg
[01:00] <cellofellow> I actually really like gdebi. Using it instead of dpkg -i makes installing stuff that have unmet dependancies really easy.
[01:00] <cellofellow> gdebi-gtk is allrightish.
[01:01] <servaas-xubuntu-> ever thought about the many ways installing packages ? i showed my wife a week or so ago apt aptitude add/remove synaptic more ?
[01:01] <cellofellow> plain apt-get
[01:01] <cellofellow> make install
[01:01] <cellofellow> checkinstall
[01:01] <Jester45> apt-get dpkg aptitude add/remove synatic gdebi
[01:01] <cellofellow> http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com/apt-for-ubuntu
[01:02] <cellofellow> this doesn't have gdebi
[01:02] <cellofellow> I need to add it.
[01:02] <Jester45> servaas-xubuntu-, you want help with compiz beryl?
[01:02] <servaas-xubuntu-> she wanted me to install a game ... i said do it your self :-)
[01:03] <servaas-xubuntu-> Jester45: yes if it is compiz fusion ...
[01:04] <servaas-xubuntu-> Jester45: because compiz and beryl no problem ...
[01:04] <Jester45> ok, open your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:04] <Jester45> and add
[01:04] <Jester45> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb feisty eyecandy
[01:06] <servaas-xubuntu-> done
[01:06] <servaas-xubuntu-> gpg ?
[01:06] <kafran> I'm having problem with aDesklets ;/ - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27523/
[01:06] <Jester45> servaas-xubuntu-, then save it and run sudo wget http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/DD800CD9.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[01:07] <Jester45> then apt-get update
[01:07] <Jester45> then remove all your compiz or beryl packages you have installed
[01:08] <servaas-xubuntu-> didnt have them installed :-)
[01:08] <Jester45> ok
[01:09] <servaas-xubuntu-> updated
[01:09] <servaas-xubuntu-> what next ?
[01:09] <Jester45> run sudo apt-get install compiz-core compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion compiz-plugins
[01:09] <servaas-xubuntu-> command not found
[01:09] <Jester45> ...
[01:09] <servaas-xubuntu-> joke
[01:10] <servaas-xubuntu-> this serious couldnt find compiz fusion
[01:11] <Jester45> did you apt-get update?
[01:11] <servaas-xubuntu-> yes
[01:11] <Jester45> any errors ?
[01:11] <servaas-xubuntu-> no
[01:12] <gnomefreak> servaas-xubuntu-: apt-cache search compiz  and see if it gets listed
[01:12] <Jester45> o im sorry
[01:13] <Jester45> remove the compiz-fusion
[01:14] <Jester45> im going by my bash history
[01:14] <servaas-xubuntu-> servaas@x704:~$ apt-cache search compiz
[01:14] <servaas-xubuntu-> compiz-gtk - OpenGL window and compositing manager - Gtk window decorator
[01:14] <servaas-xubuntu-> desktop-effects - preferences applet for configuring desktop effects
[01:14] <servaas-xubuntu-> cairo-clock - An analog clock drawn with vector-graphics.
[01:14] <servaas-xubuntu-> compiz-extra - extra third party plugins for compiz
[01:14] <servaas-xubuntu-> libcm-dev - Support code for compositing managers - development files
[01:14] <Jester45> remove the compiz-fusion
[01:15] <kafran> someone know what is this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27523
[01:15] <kafran> when I try to install aDesklets yab desklet
[01:16] <servaas-xubuntu-> sorry
[01:17] <servaas-xubuntu-> paste thingy
[01:17] <Jester45> servaas-xubuntu-,  remove the compiz-fusion
[01:17] <Jester45> and that should work
[01:17] <servaas-xubuntu-> ok
[01:18] <servaas-xubuntu-> dont i have to install compiz extra fusion something extra plugins?
[01:19] <Jester45> run sudo apt-get install compiz-core compizconfig-settings-manager  compiz-plugins
[01:19] <Jester45> and thats all you need
[01:19] <Jester45> then run compiz --replace
[01:19] <servaas-xubuntu-> done
[01:19] <Jester45> and if you want window borders install emerald and run emerald
[01:20] <Jester45> that repo i had you add replaced the old compiz
[01:21] <servaas-xubuntu-> configurin because error ...
[01:25] <kafran> can someone help me with aDesklets here? :D
[01:25] <Jester45> you can install the compiz-fusion-main compiz-fusion-extra compiz-fusion-unsupported if you want extra plugins
[01:32] <servaas-xubuntu-> servaas@x704:~$ compiz --display 0:2:0 --replace
[01:32] <servaas-xubuntu-> There is already the xfwm4 win manager running, you should use the --replace option to override it
[01:33] <servaas-xubuntu->  ?
[01:34] <servaas-xubuntu-> Jester45: syntax not ok ?
[01:34] <Jester45> idk about the --display
[01:34] <Jester45> trying killing xfwm4 on it
[01:34] <Jester45> then there isnt anything to replace
[01:35] <servaas-xubuntu-> how kill it ?
[01:35] <Jester45> the process manager or top
[01:35] <servaas-xubuntu-> ok
[01:35] <Jester45> in top your press k then type the pid then press enter
[01:41] <servaas-xubuntu-> Jester45: funny didnt work ... what i did was processmanager kill xfwm4 then <alt><f2> compiz display 0:2:0 (interminal checked) then i got black white screen with noting so that is not the way to do it
[01:42] <homebrewcider> Can anyone help me get the scanner part of my Canon MP510 going please, got xsane installed, but it finds my webcam only
[01:42] <servaas-xubuntu-> im going to sleep work on it tomorrow night again
[01:44] <Jester45> k
[01:44] <servaas-xubuntu-> (keeping in mind the experimental factor of the compositing :-) )
[01:44] <servaas-xubuntu-> bye and thanks
[01:49] <kafran> someone help me with aDesklets ;x
[01:59] <homebrewcider> Can anyone help me get the scanner part of my Canon MP510 going please, got xsane installed, but it finds my webcam only
[02:07] <darkwise> I'm having a problem with the installation of 7.04, its picking up my ide hdd as a scsi.
[02:07] <darkwise> heh
[02:08] <darkwise> ive switched up hdd's to the same affect.
[02:09] <darkwise> this channel is like tits on a boar, useless
[02:10] <crimsun> way to stick around for 2 minutes and make an inane judgment call.
[02:11] <crimsun> as if everyone on IRC is waiting for _you_ to appear just to answer your support requests.
[02:32] <kafran> crimsun: uehauehauehuaeh ^^
[02:32] <kafran> ubotu: why u didn't help him??  bad guy, ugly :P
[02:33] <zials> though... you'd expect one out of 60 or so to help.. meh *shrugs*
[02:33] <kafran> #ubuntu is a 999+ user ;x
[02:34] <kafran> channel
[02:34] <Jester45> ubuntu is more popular
[02:35] <zials> not alot of love for poor xubie =(
[02:35] <Jester45> a lot dont give it an chance
[02:36] <kafran> xubie?
[02:36] <Jester45> they say alternative? lightweight? it must be ugly and not user friendly
[02:36] <zials> *shrugs* I just picked it cause it sounded cooler...
[02:37] <kafran> I changed Ubuntu for Xubuntu
[02:37] <kafran> I think it more cusmizable
[02:38] <zials> I wouldn't expect xfce to be as customizable... but I'm not into the whole customizing thing anyways
[02:46] <kafran> I'm still having troubles with aDesklets :S
[02:48] <kafran> someone here who uses aDesklets? ^^
[02:49] <saint-takeshi> whyb does uname return SMP, when i'm using an Athlon XP 2800+ (blatantly 32-bit)
[02:52] <Jester45> are athlons dual core?
[02:52] <Jester45> o
[02:53] <Jester45> mine has it also
[03:06] <saint-takeshi> not even rem,otely dual core
[03:06] <Jester45> i think they all have that
[03:06] <saint-takeshi> oh, is the SMP kernel just the generic one now?
[03:07] <Jester45> its not an actually the SMP kernel
[03:07] <Jester45> im nhot sure
[03:07] <saint-takeshi> like how hdx has been replaced with sdx to allow for easier setup on the increasingly popular SATA II drives
[03:07] <kafran> someone answered my question about aDesklets? connection down :S
[03:08] <kafran> ubotu: log
[03:08] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:08] <kafran> ?
[03:08] <Jester45> kafran, nope, sorry
[03:08] <kafran> =(
[03:38] <tyler_> I'm using xubuntu 6.06 and wanted to know if there were deb packages for flash and java?
[04:02] <netdu1> is there any guide how-to make re-master xubuntu live cd? all I want to change theme and wallpaper!
[04:04] <illu45> netdu1, try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCreator
[04:05] <netdu1> illu45, thanks
[04:08] <k-os> i'd like to edit the icon for opera that is placed in the sys tray, any ideas which one i gotta edit?
[04:08] <Jester45> the source code
[04:09] <netdu1> the image
[04:09] <k-os> there are many images, i gotta know which one is correct
[04:11] <netdu1> maybe /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/opera.png
[04:11] <netdu1> you will not know if you don't try
[04:12] <k-os> trying is the first step towards failure
[04:13] <k-os> i'd like to know it before i head on, but i guess some failure  could only make me learn ;)
[04:15] <kafran> someone here that use aDesklets??
[04:16] <ceil420> how do i install cursors?
[04:16] <ceil420> is it anything like the ~/.themes bit for themes? :o
[04:18] <TheSheep> ceil420: I believe that the mouse cursors go into the ~/.themes directory as well
[04:19] <ceil420> hey you're right :o
[04:19] <ceil420> cheers o/
[04:20] <ceil420> now i just need to find a way to update the cursor without restarting X :p
[04:20] <Jester45> use the theme settings manager
[04:21] <zials> err.. my mouse was in my ~/.icons folder o.o
[04:21] <zials> I guess it works in both
[04:24] <ceil420> :o
[04:24] <k-os> are there sources for sunbird available to add in sources.list?
[04:25] <Jester45> not that i know of
[04:25] <Jester45> you can search google for a sunbird.deb
[04:25] <Jester45> or complie, its that hard to compilke
[04:29] <curiogeo> any user rights specialists who can tell me why - net rpc group delmem "DOM\users" alan -Uroot%notdumb as root  would give an error like Could not del alan from DOM\users: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[04:30] <curiogeo> I am using Samba on 6.06
[04:30] <Jester45> curiogeo, thats doesnt seem xfce specific you might want to try #ubuntu as they have more people in channel
[04:31] <kafran> omg, I really need help with this aDesklets ;/
[04:31] <k-os> what is it kafran ?
[04:31] <curiogeo> I am in the #xubuntu channel aren't I
[04:31] <k-os> curiogeo, well discovered
[04:32] <kafran> k-os: http://adesklets.sourceforge.net/
[04:32] <k-os> kafran, where in there is your problem?
[04:34] <kafran> k-os: config :S
[04:34] <kafran> k-os: problems with transparency on yab and cant setup more then one desklet :S
[04:35] <k-os> hmm, i am sorry but that's not my table at all...
[04:35] <curiogeo> kafran: is my question out of context
[04:35] <curiogeo> I think it has to do with OS user rights
[04:36] <kafran> curiogeo: r u having these problems too?
[04:38] <kafran> I'm reading tons of information and cant find the solution :S
[04:42] <curiogeo> my problems are user rights based
[04:43] <curiogeo> I cannot move a user from one ggroup to another
[04:44] <curiogeo> I get a denied error
[04:44] <TheSheep> curiogeo: try -U'root@notdumb'
[04:45] <TheSheep> and you don't have  to run it as root
[04:45] <curiogeo> to be clear notdumb is the password or the domain
[04:46] <TheSheep> curiogeo: domain
[04:46] <TheSheep> curiogeo: you'll be prompted for password
[04:46] <curiogeo> I will try it
[04:47] <TheSheep> curiogeo: the domain controller is running windows or linux?
[04:48] <curiogeo> when I tried it it prompted me for a password and the I got the same message
[04:48] <curiogeo> Is there something I have to do in XUB to allow root to add and del users in SAMBA
[04:49] <curiogeo> It is a SAMBA PDC
[04:49] <curiogeo> running on xub 6.06
[04:49] <TheSheep> curiogeo: maybe adding it to group samba would help? :/
[04:50] <TheSheep> if there is such a group at all
[04:50] <curiogeo> add root to group samba
[04:51] <curiogeo> can one user be part of 2 groups
[04:51] <TheSheep> curiogeo: sure
[04:51] <TheSheep> curiogeo: type 'id' -- it will list you which groups you are a memeber
[04:52] <curiogeo> ok member of root
[04:52] <curiogeo> so to add root to the samba group do i use the net rpc command
[04:52] <ceil420> how do i change the splash screen that comes up between grub and login? :x
[04:53] <ceil420> i somehow managed to make it an Edubuntu one -_-
[04:53] <TheSheep> curiogeo: adduser root samba
[04:53] <TheSheep> curiogeo: as root
[04:53] <TheSheep> curiogeo: in the command line
[04:53] <TheSheep> ceil420: update-alternatives
[04:55] <ceil420> what's that?
[04:56] <Ghostvirus> hey all, quick question: is there anywhere i can access a log of today's xubuntu meeting?
[04:56] <curiogeo> TheSheep: that works
[04:56] <curiogeo> now I have to try and see if the rights I wan them to have are still there
[04:57] <curiogeo> do I need to remove them from the other group that has less right if I want them to have the rights of the new group
[04:57] <TheSheep> ceil420: that's a script that lets you choose which of the laternative programs are to be used by default
[04:57] <TheSheep> ceil420: you need to select the splash in it and then reconfigure the kernel
[04:58] <TheSheep> curiogeo: no
[04:58] <TheSheep> curiogeo: there is always only one group taken into consideration -- the one in which given file is
[04:58] <ceil420> i don't remember goin' through a lot of trouble when i got the edubuntu one on there :x
[04:59] <TheSheep> ceil420: you probably just installed it and it set itself as the default
[04:59] <curiogeo> further is the oppsite of the adduser command deluser and does it work rhe same way
[05:00] <curiogeo> ie deluser user group
[05:01] <ceil420> yeah, i installed "edubuntu-artwork-usplash", hopin' it'd just give me more options for my splash screen (seeing as Feisty took out my favourite one :( )
[05:01] <ceil420> and it automatically set the splash to an edubuntu one; and kept it that way even after i uninstalled edubuntu-artwork-usplash :x
[05:01] <TheSheep> ceil420: well, it did
[05:01] <TheSheep> ceil420: ah, so you uninstalled it -- now you just need to reconfigure your kernel
[05:02] <ceil420> how do i do that? :o
[05:02] <TheSheep> ceil420: you see, the splash is being saved in the kernel
[05:02] <TheSheep> ceil420: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[05:03] <ceil420> "Running depmod."
[05:04] <ceil420> o_O
[05:04] <TheSheep> ?
[05:05] <ceil420> TheSheep, http://rafb.net/p/o58nZ435.html that look right? :o
[05:06] <TheSheep> ceil420: that's the one for grub :)
[05:06] <ceil420> eh grub i don't care about; it just does it's little two second countdown and moves on
[05:07] <ceil420> it's the loading screen that comes up after that that annoys me, because Xubuntu > Edubuntu :x
[05:07] <TheSheep> ceil420: grub can display a graphical splash too -- where it displays the table with all the kernels
[05:07] <TheSheep> ceil420: and that message is about that splash missing
[05:07] <ceil420> so grub will just keep doin' it's little two second count down and move on?
[05:07] <TheSheep> ceil420: yes
[05:08] <ceil420> and it won't move on into an edubuntu loading screen anymore? :x
[05:08] <TheSheep> ceil420: it shouldn't -- you uninstalled it
[05:09] <ceil420> well i uninstalled it weeks ago ;x just due to recent power surges i've been seeing it a lot more often and it's getting more and more annoying :x
[05:09] <TheSheep> ceil420: it was saved in your initrd
[05:10] <TheSheep> ceil420: but now you have regenerated it, with the old splash
[05:10] <ceil420> ah groovie, thanks ^^
[05:10] <ceil420> i don't suppose you know where i can get the old Xubuntu Edgy login splash screen with the mouse running inside the wheel, do you? :x
[05:12] <ceil420> it's this in the middle of the screen: http://problemboard.com/bio/IMG/xubuntu_logo.gif
[05:12] <ceil420> t's the one i used in Edgy, but it seems they took it out of Feisty :x
[05:14] <TheSheep> ceil420: well, you could get it from the edgy repositories, I guess
[05:23] <Netham46> if it's possible
[05:23] <maxamillion> Netham46: heh ... i've run xubuntu on a pentium 100mhz ... your p3 will do fine
[05:24] <illu45> *nods* You might have to use the alternate install disk, but it shouldn't be a problem
[05:24] <Netham46> Ok
[05:26] <Foxsly> I have a question
[05:26] <Foxsly> I have an ATI Radeon 7500 graphics card in my computer
[05:26] <Netham46> I have a question: can I have it? :D
[05:26] <Foxsly> haha
[05:27] <Foxsly> linux won't work with it
[05:27] <Netham46> I have an S3 Trio32/64
[05:27] <Foxsly> i keep getting "no screens found"
[05:27] <Netham46> are you using the radeon driver?
[05:27] <TheSheep> !ati
[05:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:27] <Netham46> erm, ATI driver
[05:27] <saint-takeshi> foxsly, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg choose "ati" at the first prompt
[05:28] <saint-takeshi> then set up everything else according to the prompts
[05:28] <Netham46> or you could go edit your xorg.conf file, but his way is easier.
[05:28] <Netham46> :D
[05:28] <Foxsly> ok
[05:28] <Foxsly> I'll give that a try
[05:28] <Foxsly> thanks
[05:29] <maxamillion> Foxsly: there is actually also an open source driver called "radeon" you might want to try that one, from my understanding its a little better with 3d accerlation and such
[05:29] <maxamillion> Foxsly: its also found in the menu given by that command they mentioned
[05:29] <saint-takeshi> then sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf from inside <whatever window manager> and replace the word "ati" with "radeon" in Section "Device"
[05:30] <Foxsly> gotcha
[05:30] <maxamillion> gksudo*
[05:30] <saint-takeshi> maxamillion: i don't get the radeon choice in the dpk-reconfigure menu, i have to manually edit it
[05:30] <maxamillion> use gksudo for gui applications and sudo for command line
[05:30] <maxamillion> saint-takeshi: really? ... strange
[05:31] <maxamillion> saint-takeshi: but the driver was there, you didn't have to install it separately?
[05:31] <saint-takeshi> not seen Radeon in that menu since Debian Woody
[05:32] <saint-takeshi> don't know why, but it's never REALLY bothered me
[05:32] <saint-takeshi> brb
[05:32] <maxamillion> saint-takeshi: fair enough
[05:32] <maxamillion> k
[05:36] <Ghostvirus> i need some advice on an audio player
[05:37] <illu45> all right...
[05:37] <Ghostvirus> i currently use quod libet, but it depends on a bunch of gstreamer stuff
[05:38] <Ghostvirus> should i use an app that uses xine if i want a lighter desktop?
[05:40] <maxamillion> Ghostvirus: you might want something like xmms, xmms2, beep media player, or audacious
[05:41] <Ghostvirus> maxamillion: i actually do have audacious. the only real problem i have with it is a lack of system tray icon that i can minimize it to
[05:41] <maxamillion> Ghostvirus: i recommend staying away from beep media player though ... for some reason the MOTU's can't seem to get a stable package of beep media player in the repositories .... its been 3 releases and i'm still waiting on my bug reports to get fixed
[05:41] <maxamillion> Ghostvirus: ohhhhh, yeah ... none of the ones i mentioned have that
[05:41] <maxamillion> Ghostvirus: you want exaile
[05:42] <maxamillion> !info exaile
[05:42] <ubotu> exaile: flexible audio player, similar to Amarok, but written in GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+debian-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 294 kB, installed size 1408 kB
[05:42] <maxamillion> yeah ... that one
[05:42] <Ghostvirus> maxamillion: haven't tried exaile in a while
[05:42] <maxamillion> Ghostvirus: it minimizes to the tray ... its not really light weight, but its really good and the main performance hit is just the initial load time because its written in python
[05:42] <maxamillion> errr... i'm pretty sure its written in python
[05:43] <Ghostvirus> actually quod libet is python too iirc
[05:43] <maxamillion> ah, ok
[05:43] <Netham46> is python a hard language to learn?
[05:43] <maxamillion> well there you go
[05:43] <maxamillion> Netham46: negative, python is a wonderful language that is more fun to learn then it is difficult
[05:43] <Netham46> Ok
[05:44] <Ghostvirus> maxamillion: actually the real reason i like quod libet is you can customize the interface nicely
[05:44] <maxamillion> Netham46: its my favorite language to code in, i find it fun .. but its not perfect for all situations
[05:44] <Netham46> I know lets see... VB, Basic, Z80 ASM, Ti-Basic, I think there is another.....
[05:44] <Netham46> mIRC scripts. :D
[05:44] <Ghostvirus> maxamillion: you can set up the panes differently. i have mine set up so that it goes Genres > Artists > Albums
[05:44] <maxamillion> Netham46: i think mIRC scripts are perl ... but i could be wrong
[05:44] <maxamillion> Ghostvirus: interesting
[05:45] <maxamillion> Ghostvirus: i don't do much media on the computer ... just listen to net radio streams with xmms
[05:45] <Ghostvirus> i suppose i'll have to look into Exaile again though
[05:45] <Netham46> maxamillion, mIRC scripts are mIRC scripts. It's its own language, iirc.
[05:45] <maxamillion> Netham46: ah, ok ... that's not entirely uncommon
[05:45] <Ghostvirus> i'm wary of amarok clones
[05:46] <curiogeo> Has anyone installed SWAT on thier XUB server and what were the steps?
[05:46] <maxamillion> !swat
[05:46] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:47] <maxamillion> curiogeo: that second link should have documentation ... but i have not personally ever installed it
[05:47] <curiogeo> maximillion: !swat at the command line
[05:48] <Ghostvirus> hrm, exaile seems to have a lot of gstreamer dependencies too...
[05:48] <maxamillion> Ghostvirus: oh ... huh
[05:48] <maxamillion> i wasn't aware
[05:49] <Ghostvirus> maxamillion: yeah, looks like it has even more than quod libet!
[05:49] <maxamillion> :(
[05:50] <Ghostvirus> ah well, such is life
[05:50] <TheSheep> mpd ftw!
[05:51] <maxamillion> TheSheep: what client do you use to control mpd?
[05:51] <Ghostvirus> TheSheep: i actually looked at Sonata one time, but the mpd stuff confuses me
[05:51] <TheSheep> maxamillion: sonata
[05:51] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i plan to install mpd on my secondary machine at work because its old and slow and all the resources i can save the better
[05:51] <TheSheep> maxamillion: but pympd looks morel ike amarok
[05:52] <Netham46> sonata?
[05:52] <Netham46> !sonata
[05:52] <TheSheep> maxamillion: I like sonata's user inteface -- it's very simple
[05:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sonata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <Netham46> :(
[05:52] <TheSheep> !info sonata | Netham46
[05:52] <ubotu> netham46: sonata: GTK+ client for the Music Player Daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 149 kB, installed size 580 kB
[05:52] <maxamillion> TheSheep: ooo, it looks pretty
[05:52] <Ghostvirus> http://sonata.berlios.de/
[05:52] <Netham46> Im not intrested.
[05:52] <R[a] ndom> its no amarok
[05:52] <Ghostvirus> is mpd hard to set up?
[05:52] <Netham46> Sonata was the name of a friend I had years ago
[05:52] <Netham46> a good frient
[05:52] <Netham46> friend*
[05:53] <maxamillion> R[a] ndom: yes, but it won't eat 100mb of ram
[05:53] <Netham46> who I think might be dead.
[05:53] <Netham46> and when I saw the text, it made me think of him.
[05:53] <TheSheep> Netham46: it's not hard -- you just have to tell it where to look for mp3's
[05:53] <TheSheep> sorry, that was to Ramla_
[05:53] <kafran> omg, finally solved problem with aDesklets and transparency ^^
[05:54] <TheSheep> argh
[05:54] <TheSheep> to R[a] ndom
[05:54] <TheSheep> :)
[05:54] <TheSheep> maxamillion: I love how Sonata will automagically search for lyrics for me :)
[05:55] <maxamillion> TheSheep: that's awesome
[05:55] <TheSheep> extremely
[05:55] <Ghostvirus> i may have to try Sonata out again
[05:56] <maxamillion> TheSheep: can i listen to net radio streams with sonata?
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> maxamillion, I dont think amarok is that bad either, is it?
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> never really checked
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> I have the ram and want the featues
[05:56] <Ghostvirus> oh god, it has a tray icon
[05:56] <Ghostvirus> yesssss
[05:57] <maxamillion> R[a] ndom: i have the ram, doesn't mean i think it should be wasted
[05:57] <R[a] ndom> maxamillion, in my case it isnt wasted.  I have a computer to do things like listen to music.  sitting with my ram usage at 30% all day is a waste of 60% of my ram
[05:57] <R[a] ndom> 70 rather
[05:57] <R[a] ndom> typo
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> thats why I have azureus' buffers way up too
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> I mean to each their own and all
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> just explaining my reasons :)
[05:58] <maxamillion> R[a] ndom: fair enough ... i personally enjoy only using 20% of my ram
[05:58] <maxamillion> R[a] ndom: but yes, i have been told amarok is wonderful software
[05:58] <kafran> curiogeo: r u having problems with aDesklets too?
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> should have bought less ram then :)
[05:59] <TheSheep> maxamillion: bad news: linux always uses all the ram
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> TheSheep, I'm assuming we were talking after accounting for cache
[05:59] <maxamillion> TheSheep: well, its pages or caches it all ... but i'm not _using_ it all actively
[06:03] <maxamillion> night all
[06:04] <TheSheep> good night
[06:04] <TheSheep> bah
[06:04] <Ghostvirus> that seems to happen a lot
[06:04] <Ghostvirus> hm, brb
[06:04] <TheSheep> :E
[06:06] <Foxsly> ITS ALIVE!
[06:06] <Foxsly> good god
[06:06] <Foxsly> after 4 days and countless hours i finally got xubuntu on my damn computer
[06:06] <Foxsly> with a GUI that is
[06:07] <R[a] ndom> xubuntu ftw
[06:07] <R[a] ndom> why did it take so long? :P
[06:07] <Foxsly> my damn video card
[06:07] <R[a] ndom> ah
[06:07] <Foxsly> ATI Radeon 7500
[06:07] <R[a] ndom> boo
[06:08] <R[a] ndom> I have one of those in my windows box
[06:08] <Foxsly> yeah
[06:08] <R[a] ndom> installed mandriva without a hitch.
[06:08] <R[a] ndom> havent tried ubuntu on that box
[06:08] <Foxsly> I would have been fine had it been like an 8500 or above
[06:08] <Foxsly> cause those are supported fairly easily
[06:08] <R[a] ndom> ah
[06:08] <Foxsly> but this just took forever
[06:08] <R[a] ndom> ah well. now you dont need to touch it for a long time :)
[06:08] <Foxsly> h yes
[06:08] <Foxsly> haha
[06:08] <Foxsly> thank god
[06:15] <Ramon> hello
[06:16] <Ramon> is there a way to autodetect my hardware?
[06:16] <Ramon> it is not doing it while it is restarting
[06:30] <Ghostvirus> hrm, i'm a little confused on how to get sonata working
[06:35] <Ghostvirus> can i use sonata to access music on my xp partition?
[06:37] <kalikiana> Ghostvirus, I don't know sonata. But opening a file from an ntfs partition is easy in any program.
[06:39] <Ghostvirus> kalikiana: yeah, i've got my ntfs partition mounted and writable, i was just wondering if sonata would have a problem with it
[06:40] <Chikubu> its a music player for mpd
[06:40] <Ghostvirus> it says it's "connected" but the song list doesn't populate
[06:40] <kalikiana> Ghostvirus, Actually sonata shouldn't even notice that is's ntfs. ;)
[06:40] <Chikubu> does sonata use a library? if so youll have to add files to the library, or open a file directly
[06:40] <kalikiana> Ghostvirus, Problems with ntfs in general may be related to wrong permissions.
[06:42] <Ghostvirus> Chikubu: there doesn't seem to be a way to manually add files
[06:45] <Ghostvirus> i can't figure this thing out at all :-/
[06:46] <Chikubu> try a diffrent player, right click on file and see if it has open with option
[06:47] <Ghostvirus> quod libet and audacious work fine... i think i must be missing some important step with mpd or something...
[06:48] <Chikubu> ah the distro upgrade finaly finished dling :)
[06:48] <Chikubu> just took 4 days hehe
[06:48] <Ghostvirus> Chikubu: what kind of connection are you on???
[06:48] <Chikubu> uninstall it and reinstall
[06:48] <Chikubu> dial up
[06:49] <Ghostvirus> Chikubu: same here :/
[06:49] <Chikubu> was like 118 mb,
[06:49] <TheSheep> Ghostvirus: you need to update the library
[06:49] <Chikubu> i cant stay connect all the time had to get peice wise
[06:49] <TheSheep> Ghostvirus: you need to setup the music directory in /etc/mpd.conf too
[06:50] <kikr> how would I reinstall software?
[06:50] <kikr> "sudo apt-get install software" would instlal it, but how would I reinstall?
[06:51] <Ghostvirus> TheSheep: is there a howto about this somewhere? i didn't see anything on sonata's site
[06:51] <TheSheep> kikr: sudo apt-get --reinstall install software
[06:51] <Chikubu> apt-get remove removes
[06:51] <kikr> ty
[06:51] <TheSheep> Ghostvirus: that's not specific to sonata
[06:51] <TheSheep> Ghostvirus: http://www.musicpd.org/support.shtml
[06:52] <Ghostvirus> TheSheep: haha, thanks for the link, i actually just loaded that page ;-)
[06:56] <Jester45> im going to be replacing my /home partition with its own drive, will i beable to login before i format and mount the /home drive?
[06:59] <TheSheep> Jester45: no
[06:59] <TheSheep> Jester45: mount it somewhere else first
[06:59] <Jester45> ok..
[07:00] <Jester45> so can i still login ? or must i use a livecd to do all the editing
[07:00] <Jester45> Chikubu, what are you updating
[07:00] <Chikubu> grrrr i played this video game for like 2 years that had a command that was @Locate.....now i cant type just locate by itself
[07:00] <Chikubu> it just finished
[07:02] <Jester45> i used to play this one game a lot... and now its 3 years later and i can still remeber every detail of the game
[07:02] <Jester45> i havent played in 3 years yet i can still be active on the forums letting people know whats what
[07:03] <Jester45> but it was a simple game and i played it 24/7 unless i was sleeping or eating
[07:06] <Chikubu> its just annoying everytime i go to use the locate command to find files im typing an @ in front if it unconciously
[07:08] <TheSheep> Chikubu: make yourself an alias ;)
[07:09] <TheSheep> Chikubu: add to your .bashrc a line that reads: alias @locate=locate
[07:10] <Jester46> TheSheep: did you reply, do i have to boot to a livecd or can i still login then mount to /home
[07:10] <TheSheep> Jester46: you can mount while you're logged in
[07:10] <Chikubu> lol
[07:10] <TheSheep> Jester46: but you won't be able to unmount
[07:11] <Jester46> ok, but can you login without a /home
[07:11] <TheSheep> Jester46: no
[07:11] <Jester46> so i would have to use a live cd
[07:11] <TheSheep> Jester46: you can login with the old home and mount the partition on top of it
[07:11] <Jester46> to edit fstab and format the drive
[07:12] <TheSheep> Jester46: what are you trying to do?
[07:12] <TheSheep> Jester46: I think I don't follow
[07:12] <Jester46> im replaceing my /home with its own disc (its on a partition of the / disc right now)
[07:12] <kikr> what's a good bittorrent client to use?
[07:12] <TheSheep> kikr: rtorrent is nice
[07:13] <kikr> does it have a gui?
[07:13] <Jester46> kikr: azureus torrentflux deluge
[07:13] <kikr> azureus doesn't work anymore =\
[07:13] <kikr> it just closes right after I open it
[07:13] <Jester46> kikr: rtorrent has a ncurses ui
[07:13] <Jester46> torrentflux is nice on a server
[07:14] <Jester46> you might like deluge
[07:14] <kikr> what's it called?
[07:14] <kikr> sudo apt-get install deluge
[07:15] <Jester46> TheSheep: can i change a xserver's resoultion via the command line
[07:15] <Jester46> kikr: no, you have to find  the deb
[07:15] <kikr> oh
[07:15] <Jester46> its not in the repo yet just google for deluge is should show up quickly
[07:16] <kikr> http://download.deluge-torrent.org/stable/deb/feisty/
[07:16] <kikr> how do I run it
[07:17] <kikr> i just installed xbuntu
[07:17] <Jester46> double click the .deb file
[07:17] <Jester46> the icon is a open box
[07:19] <Jester46> or, you can do sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file/deluge.deb
[07:20] <kikr> ty
[07:20] <Chikubu> if i wanna force acpi where does the command go, acpi=force i think i saw someplace but forgot were to put it
[07:22] <TheSheep> Chikubu: in your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:22] <Chikubu> k
[07:22] <TheSheep> Chikubu: after 'quiet splash'
[07:25] <Chikubu> alright reboot time
[07:37] <Chikubu> hhhheeelp
[07:38] <Chikubu> ive lost my gui, got a terminal log in when i rebooted, installed this terminal based irc program, not sure if it was the acpi=force line i added or a failed upgrade, what is a command line based text utilit i can edit the grub menulist with?\
[07:38] <Chikubu> and is there a way from terminal to kickstart the gui
[07:39] <j1mc> Chikubu: try xterm.
[07:40] <j1mc> sorry... from the console, try nano
[07:40] <Chikubu> ugg im in this chat program lol i guess ill have to kill it
[07:40] <j1mc> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:40] <j1mc> make a backup first, though
[07:41] <j1mc> sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.backup
[07:41] <Pumpernickel> Chikubu: ctrl + alt + function keys will let you switch between virtual consoles.
[07:41] <Chikubu> ok
[07:42] <Chikubu> ah ok
[07:44] <Chikubu> ok im gonna rebot see if gui comes back, anyway to kick start gui if it dosnt?
[07:45] <Chikubu> #bye
[07:46] <Pumpernickel> `sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start` should work.
[07:52] <xoss> i have 5 units here only 2 of them has a connection to the internet.. the 2 is on ubuntu the three on kubuntu.. all cables are connected.. what's wrong?
[07:53] <xoss> rather xubuntu..
[07:57] <Chikubu> ok, it wasnt the change i made in the menu.lst, its fine, it is something to do with the distro upgrade, or some setting ive changed inadvertly or some piece ive uninstalled that is critical....but i dont get a gui logon, i just get the terminal log on now, from the new kernerl and trying to boot into the old kernel.....suggestions?
[07:58] <Chikubu> what is the command to start the desktop environment?
[07:59] <TheSheep> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[08:00] <Chikubu> no such file or directory
[08:01] <Chikubu> as root, command not found as sudo
[08:03] <Chikubu> what about xfce4
[08:20] <Chikubu> anyone got some ideas why im not getting a gui logon? i get a terminal logon, login and do "startx" and get my desktop back, but id like the old behavior back, this occured after a distro upgrade
[08:22] <Chikubu> only place i know to look in in gdm.conf and it looks ok
[08:23] <Chikubu> greeter is gdmgreeter
[08:24] <kiosk> anyone know how to listen to WMA with HelixPlayer or RealPlayer?
[08:58] <gerro> good morning everybody
[08:58] <kilonux> hello!
[08:59] <gerro> somebody need some help with anything?
[08:59] <kilonux> i'd need some advice infact
[08:59] <gerro> sure what kind?
[09:01] <kilonux> you know the  'core 'file  which results after crashes etc.?
[09:02] <gerro> what about it?
[09:02] <gnomefreak> kilonux: its a bug if you mean the file named core and is empty
[09:04] <kilonux> newly installed ubuntu.
[09:05] <gerro> xuber: xub xub! :D
[09:06] <kilonux> I know 'it's the same,,,:::as oem I downloaded a big file,and  after making end user registration it 's lost!
[09:06] <gerro> no clue what you talking about
[09:12] <kilonux> I have a huge  /dev/core file which come from the OEM / home repository
[09:15] <Pumpernickel> It's not a file.
[09:15] <kilonux> i think som it has the same size
[09:15] <Pumpernickel> It's a link to /proc/kcore, which is a representation of your system memory.
[09:15] <Pumpernickel> It's used for debugging - take a snapshot of kcore, and you have a snapshot of working memory.
[09:18] <kilonux>  hello pump
[09:20] <Pumpernickel> hiya
[09:21] <kilonux> so I downoaded this huge file before burning it on a dvd, then did the oem final user config thing and my file seems to be lost.
[09:21] <kilonux> i did not burn it
[09:23] <xoss> help on networking!...
[09:47] <kilonux> thanks guys
[09:47] <kilonux> :)
[10:30] <J-_> Is there a Network applet similar to nm-applet for xfce?
[10:33] <gnomefreak> xfce4-netload-plugin or xfce4-xfapplet-plugin neither of them are what you are looking for but the second one allows you to use gnome applets in xfce iirc
[10:34] <J-_> ah crap, didn't know you replied, thanks.
[10:34] <gnomefreak> yw
[10:34] <J-_> (put the same message to #ubuntu) =|
[10:36] <gnomefreak> J-_: your best bet is to use apt-cache search xfce and pich exactly what you need ;) feel free to post it in there but your here as well
[10:36] <gnomefreak> s/pich/pick
[10:42] <J-_> k, I'll try that. No luck in finding it in synaptic
[10:58] <J-_> weird, I have the universal repo enabled, and I still can't install xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[10:59] <J-_> in dapper
[11:04] <J-_> gnomefreak: any ideas? =S
[11:07] <J-_> actually, think I found it!
[11:07] <J-_> xubuntu-network-tools may have something hehe
[11:07] <J-_> system tools
[12:45] <test3r> do any of you good folks use Python & can help me start learning it?
[12:50] <baba_pk> is openJDK part of Xubuntu base install?
[12:52] <test3r> open Java Dev Kit?  probably Not - you'll need the sun installer for that I'm guessing if its not in synaptic
[12:52] <J-_> test3r: Dive into Python <<-- google it =)
[12:52] <test3r> that Cant be what it is - JDK   *IS* already free there is no need for an open branch
[12:53] <test3r> rly?awesome ty J-
[12:53] <J-_> np
[12:54] <test3r> hahahahaha nice "complete txt online" i can just read it all on this laptop then
[12:55] <test3r> omg PDF ziped your kidding this author RULES
[12:59] <baba_pk> I m a newbie.... can I up and running JVM in xubuntu easily... or I hv to go thru dependency problem...
[01:00] <baba_pk> I don't hv net connection in home... I hv to download the required file and install it on my home pc manually.. really a problem for me
[01:00] <Pumpernickel> It's pretty easy.  Everything you'd need is here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libs/sun-java6-jre
[01:06] <J-_> test3r: =)
[01:07] <test3r> J-_   >  Yeah this is just what i needed- it even has example scripts in python to disect/learn from
[01:07] <test3r> and with linux i can read my PDF full screen without clutter - instantly!
[01:07] <J-_> yeah dude hehe
[01:07] <test3r> Very Nice.
[01:08] <test3r> Thanks a ton! I'll be sure to pass it on when im asked
[01:09] <J-_> yeah dude, that's what it's all about. Passing on what you know.
[01:10] <kafran> hello every bodu
[01:10] <kafran> body*
[01:10] <kafran> who here said yesterday that use aDesklets?
[01:11] <topcat1027> hello, can somebody help me set up a dsl on my laptop?
[01:11] <test3r> oh Nice - and I can use blender to learn using Python to script for Animation
[01:11] <test3r> without having to fork over $100s of dollars for a full *Nix version of Maya
[01:12] <topcat1027> can somebody please help me get dsl to work on my laptop with xubuntu
[01:12] <test3r> so THATS their plan! lol. and a good one, it is.
[01:12] <kafran> topcat1027: use modem like router and be happy ;)
[01:12] <topcat1027> i tried that, but it didn't recognize it
[01:12] <topcat1027> i'm in china, could that have something to do with it?
[01:13] <topcat1027> when i used a cable modem in the states everything worked fine and i didn't have to configure anything
[01:13] <kafran> topcat1027: dont recognize? with moden router the dhcp do the rest of the work
[01:13] <topcat1027> but now in china it's not working, and nobody speaks enough english to figure it out, not to mention nobody in china uses linux
[01:13] <topcat1027> i dunno, nothing works on the internet
[01:13] <J-_> does gnome PPP work in xubuntu? if so, try that out topcat1027>
[01:14] <topcat1027> when i plug it into the computer the computer's lights go on, so i know it's not the internet
[01:14] <test3r> topcat > your DSL - is it in a router box? or are you plugging the modem directly into the computer?
[01:14] <topcat1027> plus i tried the internet at another location where i knew for sure the internet worked, and still i got nothing
[01:14] <topcat1027> no it's in a router box
[01:14] <topcat1027> then i plug from the router into the laptop
[01:14] <test3r> (aka - how many external boxes r there)  OH ok thru a router. and All is auto-dcp, etc?
[01:14] <topcat1027> auto-dcp?
[01:15] <test3r> dhcp, sorry
[01:15] <topcat1027> what's auto-dhcp?
[01:15] <topcat1027> i just reinstalled xubuntu (thinking it might recognize it in the setup) so everything's like it is when you first install xubuntu
[01:15] <test3r> you should try to set the router to very easy settings at first to get it up and running. if you dont know what that setting is - then there is a good chance it is still on Auto for you
[01:16] <test3r> no te page im talking about is the 192.168.0.1
[01:16] <J-_> !pppoe
[01:16] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[01:16] <topcat1027> so how do i change it to get off of auto
[01:16] <test3r> you want to leave Auto turned "On"
[01:17] <test3r> because it is easier for you this way at least at first
[01:17] <topcat1027> ok
[01:17] <topcat1027> wait just to clarify, is the router like a network thing
[01:17] <J-_> !router
[01:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about router - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <J-_> hmm
[01:17] <test3r> then once you're into your network - you can change fancy things and router yourself everywheres
[01:17] <test3r> yes
[01:17] <test3r> a router = a hardware firewall = network "thing"
[01:18] <test3r> =)
[01:18] <topcat1027> hmmm, i don't think it's a router then, maybe i'm just going directly to the modem
[01:18] <kafran> someone here that use aDesklets?
[01:18] <test3r> there is only One external box?
[01:18] <topcat1027> ok, so there's a wire leading outside somewhere, which is plugged into a box, which is plugged into my laptop
[01:18] <topcat1027> right
[01:18] <J-_> probably a modem then.
[01:18] <topcat1027> ok
[01:18] <test3r> ok then yes that is direct to the modem. J-_ was correct in checking the ppp settings however
[01:19] <test3r> if your modem is DSL i dont know if those settings still matter
[01:19] <test3r> I have not ran a setup as you describe yet
[01:19] <topcat1027> hmmm
[01:19] <test3r> =(
[01:19] <test3r> try pingint the modem!
[01:19] <J-_> pppoe > topcat1027
[01:19] <J-_> check it out.
[01:20] <topcat1027> pingint?
[01:20] <test3r> pinging
[01:20] <topcat1027> how do i do that?
[01:20] <test3r> type "ping 192.168.0.1" or it might be on 192.168.100.1
[01:20] <test3r> or some other crazy place
[01:20] <J-_> what kind of modem is it?
[01:20] <test3r> and how to tell im not positive yet. try typing
[01:20] <test3r> "ifconfig"
[01:20] <test3r> tell me what that says
[01:20] <test3r> plz   =)
[01:20] <J-_> !pastebin
[01:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:21] <topcat1027> i can't, unfortunately
[01:21] <topcat1027> i'm at an internet cafe
[01:21] <topcat1027> the laptop's someplace else
[01:21] <J-_> ...
[01:21] <test3r> Oh, OK. well then write down to check with "ifconfig" it should list all net devices in your system
[01:22] <topcat1027> k
[01:22] <kafran> ubotu: !source install
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about source install - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <kafran> ubotu: installing from sources
[01:22] <topcat1027> am i typing all these things into a terminal?
[01:22] <kafran> ubotu: !installing from sources
[01:23] <J-_> kafran: what do you need?
[01:23] <test3r> yes type them into terminal any will do
[01:23] <topcat1027> k
[01:23] <kafran> J-_: learn how to install from source :D
[01:23] <topcat1027> after pinging and ifconfiging, what will this do for me
[01:23] <J-_> !source
[01:23] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[01:23] <J-_> hmm
[01:24] <test3r> the one from the menu with mouse, or goto Alt+F*  , log in, and do from there. but using the menu is easier to launch a terminal i suppose
[01:25] <test3r> topcat > after you use ifconfig command it will tell you if your device is setup & you can tell if a driver is in for it. make sure you turn the modem on, then the computer, OK?
[01:25] <test3r> modem 1st, let it get steady lights, then turn on computer
[01:25] <kafran> J-_: the source is not in repository ;x
[01:25] <topcat1027> modem first, then computer, ok
[01:25] <J-_> kafran: http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/ that's a good link, although, because careful something may break your system. Not sure what the trigger is or if there is one that'll show you how to install from source.
[01:26] <J-_> !install
[01:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[01:26] <test3r> if linux can talk to the modem you will be able to query names of your drivers and things & see that if it needs more setup or such
[01:26] <topcat1027> ok... so if it does need drivers, how do i go about getting them?
[01:27] <kafran> J-_: do u use aDesklets?
[01:27] <test3r> That - is hardware specific, and we dont know the name of the thing yet
[01:27] <test3r> another command - write this down - lspci
[01:27] <J-_> kafran: no, is that what you want to install from source?
[01:27] <J-_> !find adesklet
[01:27] <ubotu> Found: adesklets
[01:27] <test3r> that will tell you name brand and hardware #s of all things connected
[01:27] <test3r> write that info down for us
[01:27] <test3r> the crucial parts not all of it of course
[01:28] <J-_> kafran: sudo apt-get install adesklets
[01:28] <kafran> J-_: no, I want to install pidgin from sources, the aDesklets was an other question :D
[01:28] <topcat1027> ok, so do all that and come back on her later?
[01:28] <J-_> oh lol
[01:28] <test3r> yeah with that information anyone can help you out alot more
[01:29] <topcat1027> all right
[01:29] <test3r> topcat  > good luck in it!
[01:29] <topcat1027> thanks a bunch
[01:29] <test3r> np
[01:29] <topcat1027> however, if worst comes to worse, does anyone know how to reinstall windows?
[01:29] <J-_> kafran: well, again you can get a .deb from getdeg which again, may break your system and it may not be the newest. it's 2.0.1
[01:29] <J-_> getdeb even
[01:29] <topcat1027> if i have windows people over here can help me out
[01:29] <test3r> lol, get "dereks boot-n-nuke" , wipe the hard drive, and use a WIndowsXP CD
[01:30] <topcat1027> dereks boot-n-nuke?
[01:30] <test3r> yep
[01:30] <topcat1027> how do i get that
[01:30] <J-_> kafran: http://www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=pidgin they have 2.0.2 now.
[01:30] <test3r> or - if you have access - get ahold of the one Gateway uses for WesternDigital hard drives
[01:30] <topcat1027> plus i used the windows xp disc before and booted up with it, it made me delete linux, which i did, but then it said some kind of error
[01:30] <test3r> THATS not as ez to come by tho
[01:30] <kafran> J-_: in the pidgin site, have a Fedore pkg, can use it on Ubuntu?
[01:31] <J-_> nopers
[01:31] <test3r> no you must clear the disk first if you are not following steps for a "dual-boot install"
[01:31] <J-_> stuff will break.
[01:31] <test3r> writeit to 0s
[01:31] <test3r> zer0s
[01:31] <kafran> J-_: 2.0.2 is the latest
[01:32] <topcat1027> oh ok
[01:32] <J-_> then try it out, but be careful. it may break your system. better yet, maybe you should compile from source.
[01:32] <topcat1027> damn, the one time i didn't bring my flash drive with me i need to transport all this shit...
[01:32] <J-_> kafran: it'll teach you something new =)
[01:33] <kafran> J-_: getdeb are pkgs for Ubuntu ^^, why it may break my system?
[01:33] <test3r> lol get a piece of paper u need to burn that Dereks BootNNuke to a disk
[01:33] <test3r> its on sourceforge just google it there is link
[01:33] <topcat1027> shit, i can't put it on a floppy or anything?
[01:33] <topcat1027> i dunno if i can burn cd's at this cafe
[01:33] <test3r> no BootNNuke is a boot disk
[01:34] <test3r> do youhave friend with CD burner you can use?
[01:34] <topcat1027> drag... i might be able to burn a cd somewhere
[01:34] <test3r> you can burn it with Nero im pretty sure
[01:34] <topcat1027> i may
[01:34] <test3r> =)
[01:34] <J-_> kafran: getdeb isn't canonical, it's just a website that hosts ubuntu files.
[01:34] <topcat1027> all right well, i'll try that at some point, thanks man
[01:34] <test3r> np! good luckon all of it!
[01:34] <topcat1027> i'm outta here tho, see ya, thanks again
[01:38] <kafran> J-_: so, where can I learn how to install a souce program? ^^
[01:39] <J-_> I already told you.
[01:40] <kafran> J-_: my fear compiling from source is to create a lot of dependencies trash :S
[01:40] <J-_> http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/ (I don't know the trigger that will give you instruction, but there's a website that'll show you how to install pretty much everything)
[01:53] <simas> !ati
[01:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:00] <test3r> J-_   >  nice page about instaling from src hopefully! Bookmarkt.
[02:00] <test3r> is there anything more than config,make,make install?
[02:01] <test3r> lol its like "how to use synaptic and basic debian functions"   =D
[02:01] <test3r> nice though. it didnt exist bak when i learned.
[02:18] <kafran> J-_: do u know a link for some nice Icon Theme?
[02:19] <Pumpernickel> xfce-look.org
[02:19] <J-_> wouldn't gnome icons work too?
[02:22] <Pumpernickel> Yeah.
[02:27] <kafran> Pumpernickel: xfce-look has a lot, can u link to a nice? ^^
[02:35] <Pumpernickel> Nope.  That depends entirely on your personal taste in artwork.
[02:52] <test3r> cant we install those themes like incredibly easy, too?   (thinks about doing the same)
[02:54] <kafran> Pumpernickel: I wanna icones like this in yab aDesklets: http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/screenshots/viewshot.php?codigo=7934&shot=1161868175.screenshot.png
[02:55] <zials> Wilber looks like he's on crack
[02:56] <zials> (the gimp icon)
[03:20] <test3r> kafran  >   yeah that looks pimp! I think I'd like something like that too. Do I look for "yab aDesklets" as one thing?
[03:22] <test3r> ah - i can see 'adesklets' inside synaptic. but then do i have to find the script to report my system infos?
[03:23] <kafran> test3r: do u want to install aDesklets?
[03:23] <test3r> kafran  >  id like to have the ability to script an overlay applet to my desktop, yes.
[03:24] <kafran> test3r: I sleepy 3:00 am yestarday trying to figure out it :D
[03:24] <kafran> test3r: cause a bug on Python, but I solve it ^^
[03:24] <kafran> and a Compositor incompatibility that I dont knew ;x
[03:25] <test3r> =O
[03:25] <kafran> but its woking perfectly now :D
[03:26] <test3r> sounds like alot of tweeking. im not sure i have time to waste on thing - but i DO want to learn python this will help
[03:26] <kafran> test3r: when I find the perfect Icons for yab, I send u my desktop screen ;)
[03:26] <test3r> where do i get simple script to query system infos and then "printf" to screen which is prob what makes that show up over the desktop?
[03:27] <kafran> test3r: dont understood what u want
[03:28] <kafran> test3r: http://adesklets.sourceforge.net/
[03:28] <test3r> on the right side of the screencap you showd us, there is an applet running displays system infos over the top of the desktop
[03:28] <test3r> ah Ha - Desklets. OK kewl
[03:28] <test3r> that meas i dont have to re-invent the wheel - nobody wants that.
[03:29] <kafran> test3r: that is not my screen, but in that screenshot the system monitor I think is Conky or Torsmo ;)
[03:29] <kafran> test3r: Wait, i will take a screenshot of mine ;)
[03:37] <test3r> nice - i think ill go with Conky as it appears they have tested it on *buntu
[03:38] <test3r> neither conky nor trsmo seem to use the adesklets pack though- how will they know where the other things are appearing so that they dont overlap? Can i move them about within the script?
[03:44] <kafran> test3r: http://www.1sete1.com/mng/2007-06-28_1280x_1024_kafran.png
[03:46] <kafran> someone here use aDesklets?
[03:52] <test3r> kafran  >  looks nice! Im about to try Conky doing over full desk
[03:56] <kafran> what msn and irc software do u use?
[03:56] <kafran> I'm not happy with Gaim ;/
[03:58] <test3r> well i dont use msnm, at all, so Ive been fine using gAIM for IRC
[03:59] <test3r> i might put my AIM thing in here someday
[04:15] <tu_> hello everyone
[04:15] <tu_> i wanna install xubuntu + xp over my HDD! which OS do i install first?
[04:17] <zials> ...
[04:22] <R[a] ndom> lol @ tu_
[04:22] <R[a] ndom> I need help guyz! <quit>
[04:22] <Lectus> Hello
[04:22] <R[a] ndom> sup?
[04:23] <Lectus> Is it possible to install beryl on Xubuntu? Currently I think this machine does not support it, but my new machine will come this week and I'd like to install it on that one.
[04:24] <R[a] ndom> yeah, I havent messed with it in a while, but its very possible
[04:24] <R[a] ndom> do an apt-cache search beryl
[04:24] <R[a] ndom> I'm not sure if its in the standard repos, but its in the ones I use
[04:24] <zials> according to google its possible
[04:24] <R[a] ndom> yeah I used to run it
[04:25] <R[a] ndom> but it was too slow
[04:25] <zials> I don't see much of a point in using it on xubuntu, the whole point is to be lightweight...
[04:25] <R[a] ndom> enh, I use ubuntu but don't go for only lightweight
[04:26] <R[a] ndom> I use amarok and azureus
[04:26] <R[a] ndom> I'll use big programs if they give me something more
[04:26] <R[a] ndom> beryl has a couple great features, sadly its too slow on my system to make it an overall gain
[04:26] <R[a] ndom> I really like the exposish feature, and the new alt-tab
[04:26] <Lectus> It's because I'm very used to XFCE. I use XFCE on this machine because it's light. But I'll use XFCE on my new powerfull machine because I like it, but I'd like also to have Beryl.
[04:27] <R[a] ndom> yeah, I could easily run gnome/kde, but I really like xfce
[04:27] <R[a] ndom> Lectus, it shouldn't be any problem to install
[04:28] <Lectus> Is there a working tutorial? The tutorials I tried always hanged my machine, even when it was Ubuntu or Kubuntu. Don't know if it's because this machine is very poor in RAM and GFX card.
[04:28] <R[a] ndom> I think its in the repos. like I said, go to a terminal and type apt-cache search beryl
[04:29] <R[a] ndom> I think it'll come up
[04:30] <Lectus> yep... it shows lots of packages
[04:30] <R[a] ndom> there you go
[04:30] <Lectus> I'm very confused on which one to install
[04:30] <R[a] ndom> the trick is to look for what seems to be the base package
[04:30] <R[a] ndom> lemme look at the output
[04:30] <R[a] ndom> yeah theres one called beryl
[04:30] <R[a] ndom> so thatll be it
[04:30] <R[a] ndom> sudo apt-get beryl install       and youre done
[04:31] <R[a] ndom> with any luck :)
[04:31] <Lectus> so installing beryl would install everythin else required?
[04:31] <R[a] ndom> thats the idea
[04:31] <R[a] ndom> if it doesnt work, there might be a couple things to tweak in xorg.conf, dunno
[04:32] <R[a] ndom> like I said, it didnt work for me.  I had 100% cpu usage at idle
[04:32] <Lectus> I'll try when my new machine arrives. I've already hanged this one yesterday by installing it, so today I'm configuring the system again, because I have to install it. :(
[04:32] <R[a] ndom> but thats probably cause I had a crappy 6600 128mb drawing 3200x1200 @ 85hz
[04:32] <Lectus> yes
[04:32] <Lectus> my machine doesn't seem to handle it well
[04:33] <Lectus> on Ubuntu it's so much easier
[04:33] <R[a] ndom> easier than xubuntu?
[04:33] <Lectus> it just requires to click on desktop effects or something
[04:33] <Lectus> and it activates it
[04:34] <R[a] ndom> id say its pretty easy here, go to package manager, install beryl, then run it
[04:34] <Lectus> I wish on Xubuntu it was like that
[04:34] <Lectus> yeah... maybe I'll this on my new machine that will arrive
[04:34] <Lectus> on that one I'm pretty sure that beryl works
[04:35] <Lectus> So, i'll try first with Xubuntu
[04:35] <Lectus> if it doesnt work, i install ubuntu and then beryl
[04:36] <Lectus> it's very hard even to install Ubuntu here. Have anyone experienced slowness on Ubuntu installation too?
[04:37] <Lectus> on the other side Xubuntu was one of the fastest installations I've seen
[04:37] <zials> heh, that was part of the reason I swtiched to Xubuntu
[04:38] <R[a] ndom> only reason I'm here, is cause its one of the few distros that supports xfce well
[04:39] <Lectus> yes... Xubuntu rocks. It's the first light distro that also looks beautifull and responsive.
[04:39] <R[a] ndom> tbh, I don't really like ubuntu
[04:39] <R[a] ndom> and I've found in unresponsive
[04:39] <zials> actually, I've seen lighter distros, but the often sacrifice graphical utilities
[04:39] <Lectus> I like Ubuntu for it's repositories and community. But Xubuntu also has it.
[04:40] <R[a] ndom> every time I say ubuntu, exchange it for kubuntu and xubuntu as you will
[04:40] <R[a] ndom> as they're the same distro
[04:40] <R[a] ndom> just the DE changes
[04:41] <test3r> this distro is beautiful
[04:41] <test3r> ive used it for 3 yrs now, grew up on this.
[04:42] <test3r> ive tried probably 5 other distros but none compare.
[04:43] <test3r> i made a shortcut to launch Conky on my top bar in three seconds - and it Works! I have desktop overlay of system stats now
[04:43] <Lectus> the only reason I would install Ubuntu was that if Beryl doesn't work on Xubuntu. But I think Ubuntu is more well done and have a few details that make it better than other *buntu. But for the advanced user Xubuntu works great. Although it doesn't have some frills available in Ubuntu.
[04:43] <test3r> and when i want it off i can always 'top' ad kill its ID
[04:44] <R[a] ndom> test3r, yeah I use conky too -> http://www.pithed.org/newscreen.png
[04:44] <test3r> they are still available you just choose if you want them
[04:44] <test3r> you knwow - gnome comes with xubuntu
[04:44] <R[a] ndom> as does kde
[04:44] <test3r> u can turn it off from launching at start if you have no apps that need it
[04:44] <test3r> yes it does Random
[04:44] <R[a] ndom> all *ubuntus are the same distro with the same repos
[04:45] <test3r> well - yes and no. they are the same Core (kernel etc) , and all have access to the same Repo, yes
[04:45] <test3r> so that means you can get thing to work on one - there is good chance it will work on other version
[04:45] <Lectus> yes, but Ubuntu have a few scripts and menus
[04:46] <Lectus> that make it easier
[04:46] <Lectus> for newbies
[04:46] <R[a] ndom> but you can just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:46] <test3r> hmmmm, such as?
[04:46] <R[a] ndom> and you have all of that
[04:46] <test3r> Random bring a good command to the table - you could do that if you Wanted
[04:46] <R[a] ndom> ?
[04:47] <Lectus> yes... but that's what I'm saying. Ubuntu has all of it out-of-the-box. But of the not-so-dumb user or advanced user Xubuntu works just perfect.
[04:47] <test3r> if he wanted he could instyall a GNOME based menu ontop if he wanted
[04:47] <test3r> the whole point of XUbuntu tho is that it is lightweight. the minute you start using GNOME for everything it becomes not as light weight
[04:47] <test3r> GCC and xface can launch a WHOLE lot
[04:47] <R[a] ndom> test3r, the minute you use gnome, it becomes Ubuntu
[04:47] <test3r> Random   >   exactly
[04:48] <Lectus> test3r: I agree. Last time I used Xubuntu with Gnome and KDE apps it became as heavy as Gnome or KDE.
[04:48] <Lectus> But with a clean install and installing only GTK apps it's very light.
[04:48] <R[a] ndom> and useless ;)
[04:48] <R[a] ndom> I need my kde apps
[04:49] <R[a] ndom> as my screenshot shows
[04:49] <test3r> what do u need on KDE that i dont have a substitue for?
[04:49] <R[a] ndom> http://www.pithed.org/newscreen.png   <- in that screen, filelight, kopete, and Amarok
[04:49] <Lectus> but I think by the time you aren't using KDE apps Xubuntu runs faster than Ubuntu/Gnome.
[04:49] <R[a] ndom> also K3B
[04:49] <test3r> Amarokplayer???  bleh,   =9    i dont know wht the others do
[04:49] <Lectus> so it's still better
[04:50] <R[a] ndom> test3r, ?
[04:50] <Lectus> my player requeriments are "play mp3 files", so I don't need Amarok
[04:50] <test3r> amarok didnt do ne thing for me- it was big like WMP and had things i didnt want on screen
[04:51] <Lectus> XMMS looks cool
[04:51] <R[a] ndom> my requirements are play mp3 files and allow me to easily navigate my 100gb database of files, transfer data to ipd, etc
[04:51] <R[a] ndom> it allows easy tag guessing/modification, cover manager, replaygrain and automatic transcoding scripts
[04:52] <test3r> oic - my USB SanDisk mp3 player only sees some root kit in it when i plug it into this laptop (running xubuntu)
[04:52] <test3r> amarok coulnt edit with it either
[04:52] <R[a] ndom> but I'm interested, are there any IM clients for gtk that arent ugly as sin?
[04:52] <test3r> its that "plays for sure" windows junk and i dont feel like breaking it    =(
[04:52] <R[a] ndom> I'd love to be able to drop kopete
[04:52] <test3r> lol i use gAIM   =9
[04:52] <R[a] ndom> ew
[04:53] <test3r> it looks....... like a window..... lol
[04:53] <test3r> it actualy looks alot like mIRC
[04:53] <test3r> ..
[04:53] <R[a] ndom> you use it for itc?!
[04:53] <test3r> if ur used to using that
[04:53] <R[a] ndom> irc?!
[04:53] <test3r> no
[04:53] <R[a] ndom> oh
[04:53] <R[a] ndom> good heh
[04:53] <test3r> i said it looks like mIRC - the client?
[04:53] <R[a] ndom> I assume you mean chat window
[04:53] <test3r> IRC is a protocol
[04:53] <test3r> yes
[04:53] <R[a] ndom> no shit
[04:53] <J-_> what run level is init 3? is it the standard runlevel?
[04:54] <test3r> none at all. lol.
[04:54] <test3r> ihave no idea - u mean 4 cron?
[04:54] <R[a] ndom> J-_, I think they're all aliases for 5. sec
[04:54] <Lectus> I wonder how fast will Xubuntu will run on my 2GB RAM + 3.2GHz processor machine that will come. Man... it must fly! :)
[04:54] <R[a] ndom> J-_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Ubuntu_Linux
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> but if you are using init, then 2 throuth 5 are the same thing
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> 1 is single user mode
[04:55] <J-_> k
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> Lectus, what you on now?
[04:55] <J-_> thanks
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> np
[04:56] <test3r> you dont have to use that upstart thingee in Edgy 6.1
[04:56] <test3r> i setup PG using crontabs
[04:56] <test3r> the old way
[04:56] <Lectus> R[a] ndom: I'm on a Athlon XP 2000+ with 256MB RAM and integrated video card that eats some memory.
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> ah. should be abig jump then
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> my gf until recently was using a very similar system
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> the low ram is a real bitch
[04:57] <Lectus> yep... and my new gfx card will rock.
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> get dual screens :)
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> its all the rage
[04:57] <test3r> Yeah that system will Float Lectus. you should dual boot it.
[04:57] <test3r> is it ocming with XP? or *gasp* Vista?
[04:57] <Lectus> I'll dual boot with XP
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> the devil!
[04:57] <Lectus> Vista is too bloated even for good machines
[04:58] <test3r> lolololol yeah dont use vista
[05:01] <test3r> Last Cup
[05:02] <test3r> speaking of Cups -
[05:02] <test3r> I was trying to get an HP All-In-One printer to print thru Shared WInXP  Shared Printer stuff
[05:02] <test3r> the thing prints when i hook it up to the port in the back of the laptop - directly
[05:02] <test3r> but id like to print from my deck
[05:03] <test3r> =D
[05:03] <test3r> anyone ever do cups stuff w/samba?
[05:03] <Lectus> I never got my printer to work with Xubuntu. I think Linux doesn't support it.
[05:03] <Lectus> one reason to still keep XP, besided games
[05:05] <test3r> luckily there is an HP official driver that Xubuntu has - but HP ofered me NO support for it besides telling me my prnter does not support POSTSCRIPT sent to it which doesnt matter kus linux can use Ghostscript (I think thats what causes it) and it can fake/translate it for the printer
[05:05] <test3r> you should check if there is a Ghostscript driver for your printer broad-range-model-number
[05:06] <Lectus> hmm... where can I find this info?
[05:06] <test3r> Why would HP make a driver - then not tell thir techs about it?
[05:06] <Lectus> It's a Cannon i320
[05:06] <test3r> makes no sense. oh just google for your printer type followed by 'ghostscript'
[05:06] <Lectus> I think HP is more Linux-friendly
[05:06] <test3r> or CUPS
[05:06] <test3r> try it with the key words
[05:06] <test3r> se what people say
[05:08] <Lectus> my printer is not supported with free software
[05:08] <Lectus> =\
[05:08] <test3r> here
[05:08] <test3r> oh r u here too -
[05:08] <test3r> http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon
[05:10] <Lectus> yes, it falls on "paperweight"
[05:10] <test3r> oic - it was on page before what i just displayed.  aw buddy.  well hey use that info
[05:10] <test3r> hak urself a driver
[05:10] <test3r> they r simple i was IN mine
[05:10] <test3r> with the settings n stuffs
[05:10] <test3r> you can Prob nix that option right from the command line
[05:40] <Slor> heya folks - I'm running xubuntu 6.06.1.  Can anyone tell me the best way to get a VNC server installed?  Xvnc does not appear to be there, and I can't find it in the available packages.
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> Slor, apt-cache search vnc | grep server
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> I know nothing of vnc, but it seems like there are some packages there
[05:58] <Slor> hey random - I think I figured out my problem...
[05:58] <Slor> I didn't have the universe repositories set up
[05:58] <Slor> now I found the server.
[05:58] <Slor> thanks!
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> excellent :)
[05:58] <Slor> about to try connecting now. :)
[06:50] <kafran> someone here knows shell script?
[06:50] <TheSheep> kafran: which one?
[06:50] <Lectus> Hello! How can I find how much RAM is being used by Xubuntu? Is there a RAM manager or something?
[06:51] <kafran> TheSheep, how can I read all files in a directory?
[06:51] <TheSheep> Lectus: right click on your panel, select 'add new item', from the list select 'system monitor'
[06:51] <TheSheep> kafran: cat *
[06:52] <kafran> TheSheep, but, i want something like: for dir_itens in /this/directory; do .. done
[06:52] <TheSheep> for f in *; do ...; done
[06:52] <kafran> TheSheep, =***
[06:52] <maxamillion> Lectus: install an application called "htop" and run that in the terminal, or you can just run "top" which is provided by default (htop is just more pleasing on the eyes and formats the information better)
[06:53] <TheSheep> kafran: (actually this is not the perfect way to do it, as it will break when files contain spaces...)
[06:53] <Lectus> TheSheep: That works fine. Thanks
[06:53] <TheSheep> maxamillion: :P
[06:53] <Lectus> kafran: I've found a nice video tutorial series for shell script here: http://www.showmedo.com/videos/series?name=pQZLHo5Df
[06:54] <Lectus> I'm watching it right now. Looks cool.
[06:56] <kafran> TheSheep, this will work fine ;)
[07:00] <eagle-101> Hi, I just installed two 512 MB sticks of RAM, xubuntu seems to be getting only 375 MB of it
[07:00] <eagle-101> any reasons why?
[07:01] <eagle-101> Do i need to tell ubuntu that a second memory stick is there?
[07:01] <kafran> eagle-101, memory stick = pen drive?
[07:02] <eagle-101> no RAM sorry
[07:02] <eagle-101> I just took out a 256 MB RAM , and put in 1 GB, (using two 512 MB RAM)
[07:03] <eagle-101> Should I be doing something to make it recognize the extra RAM is my question :S
[07:05] <eagle-101> It seems to be missing the second RAM card/stick I put into it
[07:09] <Lectus> How much memory a standard Xubuntu installation is suposed to use? Is there anything I can do to make it use less RAM?
[07:23] <eagle-101> Ok I have the problem fixed :)
[07:31] <TheSheep> Lectus: about 70-100MB
[07:32] <TheSheep> Lectus: you can disable printing services, have less panel plugins
[07:34] <kafran> someone here use aDesklets?
[07:36] <eagle-101> ok, whats the way to try out kde, I've always wanted to see what the hype is about ;)
[07:36] <eagle-101> kde-desktop?
[07:36] <totalwormage> i think it is kubuntu-desktop
[07:36] <totalwormage> it is:] 
[07:37] <eagle-101> ok, and I can keep my xubuntu while doing this
[07:39] <totalwormage> yes
[07:40] <totalwormage> it will not overwrite anything, although the contents of menu's can change
[07:41] <totalwormage> as in, things of xfce will pop up in kde menus and vica versa :] 
[07:41] <J-_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, it's a metapackage, so it brings in other packages. kde-core if you only want a bare minimal install.
[07:42] <J-_> just have to change the sessions in the login screen.
[07:42] <J-_> easy as 123 =)
[07:43] <totalwormage> :']  what is not to love about apt :'] 
[07:44] <J-_> aptitude is good also =D
[07:44] <J-_> or metapackages
[07:45] <totalwormage> :] 
[07:45] <J-_> whatever aptitude installs, it'll remove =D
[07:50] <kafran> why Xubuntu dont play a sound in boot and logout just like in Ubuntu?
[07:53] <Jester45> where is the  panel configuration located at
[08:03] <kalikiana_> Jester45, ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[08:03] <Jester45> humm
[08:03] <Jester45> wonder why it didnt get replace after the backup
[08:05] <Jester45> o well i will just put everything back
[08:07] <nickyy> hello everyone , im trying to install xubuntu (feisty fawn ) over ubuntu edgy. i deleted the older partition and set it as root, but the installation hangs at 54%. i tested the cd it works fine... how can i fix this??
[08:11] <Jester45> nickyy, did you md5 sum the cd?
[08:12] <nickyy> Jester45 sorry. i didnt get it
[08:13] <Jester45> !md5
[08:13] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[08:17] <nickyy> hmm lemme check
[08:30] <kafran> someone that use aDesklets ??
[08:47] <frojnd> guys, I need some guide how can I install dial-up connection on xubuntu
[08:47] <frojnd> can someone give me some advice
[08:50] <maxamillion> !dialup | frojnd
[08:50] <ubotu> frojnd: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[08:50] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[08:50] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:52] <totalwormage> *^_^*
[08:53] <grazie> Hi maxamillion - how's it going?
[08:58] <cellofellow> hehe. When did they change the !botscack factiod.
[08:58] <cellofellow> ?
[09:00] <Pumpernickel> August 5th, last year.
[09:11] <Pumpernickel> Actually, sometime late April/early May, this year.  Silly factoid database doesn't use last modified timestamps.
[09:21] <ferronica> hi all
[09:21] <ferronica> can i use xubuntu in high end PC
[09:22] <ferronica> or Xubuntu is only for lowend PC
[09:22] <ferronica> i want speed and stability not eyecandy
[09:22] <ferronica> ??
[09:22] <totalwormage> hehe, no it will run just fine for high end
[09:22] <totalwormage> then speed is what you get with xubuntu :] 
[09:23] <ferronica> so i can use it in high end PC right
[09:23] <ferronica> without any problem
[09:24] <cellofellow> of course
[09:24] <Pumpernickel> It won't burn out because your system is too fast.
[09:26] <ferronica> but i read about xubuntu is for old PC
[09:26] <cellofellow> Not true, it just works better on old PCs.
[09:26] <cellofellow> Than Ubuntu.
[09:27] <ferronica> okay
[09:27] <ferronica> so we can use it in any PC,
[09:27] <cellofellow> uhuh.
[09:27] <cellofellow> It uses exactly the same core system as Ubuntu, just a different graphical desktop.
[09:27] <cellofellow> and different default apps.
[09:28] <ferronica> okay
[09:49] <eagle-101> Ok, is there anyway to try kubuntu-desktop without having to load all the crap that goes with it?
[09:55] <maxamillion> eagle-101: download the live cd and just boot into it
[09:56] <eagle-101> maxamillion, mmm ok
[09:56] <eagle-101> thanks
[09:56] <maxamillion> np
[10:01] <eagle-101> I have the CD so I'll try that :) I like xubuntu too much to install over it though
[10:32] <matt___> what are the requirements for xubuntu?
[10:32] <matt___> i have 64MB, enough hard disk space, and i think a pentium II
[10:33] <Jester45> you need 2gb storage
[10:33] <Jester45> and the cpu is fine
[10:33] <matt___> Jester45: i have enough storage, ram...
[10:33] <Jester45> you will have to install with the alternative cd
[10:33] <matt___> and the cpu is like 200-300mhz
[10:33] <matt___> ok, that is no problem
[10:33] <Jester45> and it should be fine then
[10:33] <matt___> Jester45: link to alternative cd?
[10:33] <Jester45> you might want to look into replaceing xfce's wm with fluxbox or icewm
[10:34] <Jester45> http://vidd.us/downloads/xubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso
[10:34] <matt___> Jester45: i wouldn't mind that, im used to gnome, so no biggie swithing for that...use gnome on my desktop...i'll try this...
[10:35] <matt___> Jester45: so the 64mb ram shouldn't hurt?
[10:35] <Jester45> i just say that because xfce's wm is to me one of the heavest part
[10:36] <Jester45> it shouldnt be a problem
[10:37] <matt___> Jester45: i hope so, using feisty ubuntu on my desktop, wanted to make this laptop usefull, windows 98 just doesn't appeal to me
[10:37] <Jester45> and you can look into "swapiness" on google, it is how much linux will use your ram before useing swap
[10:38] <matt___> Jester45: ahh, to keep it resposive, right?
[10:38] <Jester45> well
[10:39] <Jester45> if you are going to use a lot of ram you might want it to use more swap so that later it will not have only swap while starting a app
[10:39] <Jester45> but if your only going to use a little at a time you can use more ram so that it seems speeder
[10:39] <Jester45> at least until the ram is used up
[10:40] <matt___> Jester45: oh, ok. i'll worry about that if it works. :) so do you use it?
[10:40] <Jester45> TheSheep, might have a few pointers i think he has a low ram one
[10:40] <Jester45> matt___, yea, i set it to use all my ram first then swap, but i have 4gb on one machine and 2gb on the other
[10:41] <kafran> I'm so happy, finally my desktop is +- beatyful :D http://www.1sete1.com/mng/28-06-2007-1280x1024-kafran-xfce4-adesklets.png
[10:41] <TheSheep> decreasing color depth allows yuo to save several megs...
[10:41] <Jester45> TheSheep, when do you sleep :)
[10:41] <matt___> TheSheep: how much ram you got?
[10:42] <TheSheep> matt___: that low-ram box I used to have had 96MB
[10:42] <TheSheep> I gave it away :/
[10:42] <matt___> TheSheep: hmmm...i only have 64MB, about a 200mhz pentium to, 5GB hard drive, think it will work?
[10:43] <TheSheep> matt___: yes, but don't exect to use more than one application at a time
[10:43] <TheSheep> matt___: and better use some other browser than firefox
[10:43] <Jester45> matt___, if you want you couold try dsl, its pretty light it just takes a bit to get used to. but it wiil work fine for mail/web browsing
[10:44] <Jester45> like dillo
[10:44] <matt___> Jester45: i tried it just now, but i can't get it to install....
[10:44] <matt___> Jester45: besides that, i liked it...
[10:44] <matt___> TheSheep: firefox can use over 64 by itself...
[10:44] <TheSheep> matt___: opera seems to be lighter
[10:45] <Jester45> my firefox uses well over 100
[10:46] <matt___> TheSheep: i may not browse with it..just see if it works, maybe try selling it with "new xubuntu install, works great!
[10:46] <matt___> "
[10:47] <TheSheep> matt___: bad idea :)
[10:47] <matt___> TheSheep: ???
[10:48] <TheSheep> matt___: selling it as a great box
[10:48] <matt___> TheSheep: lol, probably just give it away...
[10:48] <matt___> TheSheep: whatever, i have this one...
[10:49] <Jester45> matt___, what speeds are you getting from the iso download
[10:49] <TheSheep> matt___: try changing defaultdeth in xorg.conf to 16
[10:50] <Jester45> or 2 :)
[10:50] <matt___> TheSheep: 360K/s, 55%
[10:50] <matt___> Jester45: that was to you...
[10:50] <Jester45> matt___, is that your max speed?
[10:50] <matt___> TheSheep: you mean the color depth?
[10:50] <matt___> Jester45: yeah
[10:50] <matt___> Jester45: y?
[10:50] <matt___> Jester45: what is yours?
[10:50] <Jester45> matt___, just wondering if my server is being slow, it seems like it but i cant figure it out
[10:51] <matt___> Jester45: oh, that is off your server :)
[10:52] <Jester45> yea i did have every iso of xubuntu ubuntu kubuntu and edubuntu  but it took to much space
[10:53] <matt___> Jester45: lol, i may host them if i ever get hosting from bluehost...
[10:53] <matt___> 3000GB BANDWIDTH, 1000GB STORAGE, think that'd be enough???
[10:54] <matt___> thats a lot of bandwidth, but hosting downloads a 700MB each would fill it somewhat quickly...
[10:54] <Jester45> i got 80gb storage (or more if i get a new drive) and unlimited bandwidth
[10:55] <matt___> Jester45: yeah, your own server deal, right?
[10:55] <Jester45> yea
[10:55] <matt___> Jester45: how much a month
[10:56] <Jester45> depends on what you want
[10:59] <Jester45> there isnt that much storage yet, but there will be more
[11:05] <matt___> Jester45: booting now...just put it in
[11:05] <Jester45> ok
[11:06] <matt___> Jester45: hmm.if i install a command line system, thats just cli, all the time ehh? cool..if this doesn't work, im trying that!
[11:07] <Jester45> you could do that it uses ALOT less ram
[11:07] <Jester45> and if you want a gui you can install it
[11:08] <matt___> Jester45: like fluxbox or whatever???
[11:08] <Jester45> not really
[11:08] <Jester45> i like compiz+emerald
[11:09] <matt___> Jester45: yeah, me too, but on this system?? nope
[11:10] <Jester45> :)
[11:10] <matt___> Jester45: compiz and beryl merged, looks like that will be nice in gutsy
[11:11] <Jester45> you can get it in feisty
[11:12] <matt___> Jester45: i heard about that, but i don't like fooling around with betas this early...you used it?
[11:13] <Jester45> yea
[11:13] <Jester45> im runing it, not gusty. there is a repo for compiz-fusion
[11:14] <matt___> Jester45: how stable?
[11:14] <Jester45> stable
[11:14] <Jester45> at least for me
[11:14] <matt___> Jester45: i may try it...
[11:15] <Jester45> no
[11:15] <Jester45> :)
[11:15] <Lectus> why when I press the <- key one the terminal it doesn't go back one char, but instead write junk?
[11:15] <Lectus> is it possible to fix it?
[11:16] <Jester45> Lectus, what terminal ? xterm, Terminal, the F1-F6 ones?
[11:16] <Lectus> xterm
[11:17] <Jester45> Lectus, idk maybe try the encoding settings
[11:17] <Lectus> the default one on Applications/Acessories/Terminal
[11:17] <Jester45> matt___, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2895086
[11:22] <matt___> Jester45: thanks for the link
[11:23] <Jester45> matt___, also remove the compiz-fusion package and add
[11:24] <Jester45> compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported
[11:50] <hyper_ch> anyone knows how to start something and set its nice
[11:52] <hyper_ch> hiho maxamillion
[11:52] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: do you konw how to start something and set its nice
[11:52] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: set its nice?
[11:52] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: oh, yeah
[11:53] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: "sudo renice <process>"
[11:53] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: yes.. but at the moment you start it
[11:53] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: oh ... uhmmm, just a moment
[11:53] <hyper_ch> well, I want ktorrent to start as 19
[11:53] <hyper_ch> +19
[11:54] <eagle-101>  wait what exactly is "nice"
[11:54] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i am asking in #debian because my quick google-foo didn't go so well
[11:54] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: ok :)
[11:55] <hyper_ch> eagle-101: nice is the priority of processes
[11:55] <hyper_ch> eagle-101: open a termina and enter:   man renice
[11:55] <maxamillion> eagle-101: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/nice.html
[11:55] <eagle-101> hyper_ch, thanks :)
[11:55] <maxamillion> or "man nice"
[11:56] <hyper_ch> hmm, I can just start it with nice -n19 ktorrent
[11:57] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: probably
[11:57] <maxamillion> brb
[11:59] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: yes that works :)  in the quicklaunch panel I added the ktorrent and change the command from "ktorrent" to "nice-n19 ktorrent" and it works perfectly :)
[12:17] <Jester45> wheres the xubuntu tribe 2 image at? i can only find the ubuntu
[12:18] <vidd_bricktop> where do i find the DNS server listing via command line only syste?
[12:18] <vidd_bricktop> *system
[12:18] <Jester45> hi ya vidd
[12:19] <vidd_bricktop> *wave* Jester45
[12:19] <Jester45> i gota question for you
[12:19] <Pumpernickel> vidd_bricktop: `cat /etc/resolv.conf`
[12:20] <vidd_bricktop> Pumpernickel, ty
[12:21] <hyper_ch> huhu vidd_bricktop
[12:21] <vidd_bricktop> hyper_ch, this old thing wieghs like 10 pounds
[12:21] <vidd_bricktop> =] 
[12:22] <hyper_ch> vidd_bricktop: thats less than I weight
[12:23] <vidd_bricktop> hyper_ch, it says BRICK top....not HOUSE top =] 
[12:23] <vidd_bricktop> *horse
[12:23] <hyper_ch> ^^