[12:16] Tonio_: What's that? [12:16] manchicken: not all packages, some do, as kdebase for example [12:16] manchicken: no aware of that ????????, [12:16] Tonio_: Does adept? [12:16] seemingly not [12:16] Yeah. I'm thinking not, too. [12:16] at least I can't find it [12:16] You could build from source. [12:16] manchicken: here is the plan, kdesu sucks as hell, and I found a very old and pretty nice code for sudo/kde [12:17] didn't work but I got it to work with a modern sudo [12:17] Riddell: you said the only fault of kdesu is that it's running sudo multiple times [12:17] manchicken: the point is that to get it to replace kdesu perfectly, we need to implement all the command line options kdesu as [12:17] manchicken: one of them is still missing, the --nonewdcop one [12:17] Tonio_: ^^ shouldn't we fix kdesu then, instead of supporting this new app? [12:17] manchicken: in which case that's a job for another day :) [12:17] Arby: `apt-get source adept` and then edit the debian/rules file to add --enable-debug=full where you see "DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS += --enable-adept" and then you just type debuild and BAM, it'll either yell at you for dependencies or it'll build. [12:17] manchicken: kdesudo currently fixes about all the issues we have with kdesu, which means a lot of problems [12:18] mhb: fixing kdesu will be too long in my opinion [12:18] mhb: supporting a new app and then try to merge the changes with kdesu might be better no ? [12:18] manchicken: cheers, I'll give it a go, but not right now :) [12:18] RadiantFire: poke [12:18] tis late here :) [12:19] mhb: unless I'm wrong and just having a sudo class for kdesu would be easier..... [12:19] Arby: Righto. Just make sure you have libtagcoll-dev and libapt-front-dev installed and you should be good to go. [12:19] mhb: jab [12:19] mhb: shell account is working for the moment [12:19] mhb: not to give you pressure, but I really would like to have that fixed for gutsy [12:19] Arby: The dpkg-checkbuilddeps script should help. [12:19] me too [12:19] RadiantFire: read up [12:19] mhb: we had to use gksu on kde for the french parliament, as kdesu is unable to understand specific sudoers config for example..... [12:19] manchicken: I don't know what that is [12:20] ah, yes [12:20] Arby: It's just a command-line utility. [12:20] no way to get a NOPASSWD thiing to work for example [12:20] RadiantFire: the thing is, Riddell (who wrote the kdesu support for sudo) said that the only fault of kdesu is that it runs sudo multiple times. [12:20] manchicken: talking about that, should we get adept-batch to work with kio-apt ? :) shouldn't be hard to implement, and pretty fun hehe :) [12:20] manchicken: OK, I'll find it. [12:20] i don't suppose they fixed any of these problems in kde4 and we could look at backporting something [12:21] Tonio_: the truth is, I'm not one on how many problems there are with kdesu [12:21] Arby: It's in the dpkg-dev package. [12:21] mhb: more than this, kdesu doesn't do any kind of sudo thing [12:21] Tonio_: Riddell says it's just one, you say there are many [12:21] mhb: it just takes your password and checks if sudo has a problem with it [12:21] Tonio_: Right now I'm getting proxying to work with the developer changelog. [12:21] manchicken, Arby: all packages have debug package in the debug package repository [12:21] I'm knee deep in debugger. [12:21] although I don't know where that is [12:21] Riddell: A lot of help you are :) [12:22] mhb: try to tweek the sudoers file to allow only one command to one user, with the NOPASSWD thing, that'll fail, ask for passwd everytime [12:22] mhb: kdesudo works perfectly with this, as it directly asks sudo before prompting for the passwd [12:22] mhb, Tonio_: oh yes, kdesu uses kdesu_stub so sudoers isn't respected as you would expect, that is also an issue [12:22] Riddell: exactly, which sucks as hell........ [12:22] kdesu_stub is evil I have found [12:23] Riddell: do you mean pittis repository? [12:23] You'd think that kdevelop would have more support for Qt types instead of giving me addresses to look for all over the place. [12:23] i don't understand why exactly it exists, surely there must be an easier way of manipulating X cookies [12:23] as in deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs gutsy main universe [12:23] Arby: that looks like it [12:23] Riddell: kdesudo works perfectly with sudo and deals with any kind of sudoers file, I tested this deeply, the only thing is that it fails to be used to go admin mode in kcontrol for example, due to missing command line option [12:23] Riddell: thanks [12:23] Riddell: if we had this, we can get ridd of kdesu once and for all [12:24] Riddell: and then try to get the code merge as a clas in kdesu, for kde4 I guess [12:24] mhb: btw I wouldn't see any problem having 2 separate apps, as there are 2 separate commands in the shell to go admin :) [12:25] mhb: makes sense to have a GUI based client for each method [12:25] the client is basically the same [12:25] so I'd like to see just one client [12:25] mhb: that's what I consider the second step :) [12:25] Tonio_: yeah, I know [12:26] mhb: no reason to get the code merge for kde3, that's too late, but we should get it merged for kde4 [12:26] Tonio_: also, kdesudo is heavily dependent on replies from sudo [12:26] mhb: true [12:26] that sort of makes sense [12:26] sudo has a somewhat different messaging structure than sud [12:26] Tonio_: and i18n might arrive into sudo soon [12:26] er, su [12:26] mhb: well not that much as I force sudo output as much as I can [12:27] mhb: for example the password asking message is forced, so that ubuntu default changes on that point won't affect kdesudo [12:27] stupid question, would it not be easier to write a suid app that can understand the sudoers file instead of relying on sudo as a long term goal [12:27] mhb: don't know if you saw that in the code [12:27] Tonio_: I did [12:27] Tonio_: you cannot force the error messages, though [12:27] mhb: nope, that's true [12:28] mhb: but honenstly, error messages didn't change the last 4 years :) [12:28] mhb: I didn't changes them on the 4 year old code [12:28] Tonio_: no, but we also need to make sure the messages are in english [12:28] mhb: not a big deal if we have to upgrade them every 3 years right ? :) [12:29] Tonio_: because if sudo spoke French, kdesudo would go crazy :o) [12:29] mhb: they are english btw [12:29] that must be annoying for the french admins [12:29] mhb: sudo isn't localized afaik [12:30] mhb: well we can discuss about what's better to do, but I would like kdesudo to go like hurd :) [12:30] http://www.gratisoft.us/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=244 [12:30] mhb: I'd say let's finish it and then make the right thing on the second step :) [12:30] www.gratisoft.us bug 244 in Sudo "Sudo lacks i18n/translations" [Enhancement,Assigned] [12:31] mhb: don't agree on that point ? [12:31] Tonio_: well, I don't know :o) [12:31] Tonio_: if the last step (implementing the dcop call) would be easy I'd go for that [12:32] mhb: one we have something that works, we'll have month to get something nicelly done for kde4 [12:32] mhb: we don't have more than a month from now to get it is gutsy [12:32] Time for some print and pray debugging. [12:32] mhb: let's ask manchicken's opinion :) [12:32] Tonio_: That might be dangerous. [12:32] manchicken: why so ? ;) [12:33] This is one of those "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" moments. [12:33] manchicken: hehe :) [12:34] mhb: I think that if we can get all the good coders on that last point, we can get it to work quickly [12:34] AKA, not me of course :) [12:35] Tonio_: perhaps, yes [12:35] I'm a hacker, but I don't know if the word "good" enters into it. [12:35] Tonio_: I won't be doing it tonight, though :o) it's too late for me [12:37] mhb: What's your $TZ? [12:37] mhb hehe no pb, sleep well ;) [12:37] Tonio_: I'll check the KDE4 code of kdesu now, then sleep [12:37] manchicken: Riddell+1 or so :o) [12:37] Righto. [12:38] MOFAKA! It works. [12:38] Kinda. === RadiantFire cheers and stomps feet [12:39] Tonio_: you know what's pretty stupid? [12:40] Tonio_: that the last step is about dcop [12:40] Tonio_: which is pretty much obsolete by now [12:40] Tonio_: kdesu4 doesn't have any such command line option [12:40] My dog is pretty stupid. [12:40] Ooh ooh oooh oooh oooooh. I think I may get a 2-for-1 deal on this bug. [12:44] Sweet. [12:44] Score one for print & pray debugging. [12:45] mhb: :/ [12:45] mhb: yeah, pretty much stupid doing this just for kde3..... but that needs to be done :) hehe === raichoo [n=raichoo@i5387DC0E.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] Riddell: you might know that, but they dropped support for sudo out of kdesu4 [12:51] Riddell: or perhaps I'm wrong, errr [12:51] Riddell: sorry for the last bit [12:51] more reading, then telling [01:14] Booya. [01:14] Two bugs. Fixed. [01:16] Only one patch though. [01:18] manchicken: what about adept-kde4? [01:18] manchicken: is anyone working on that? === chozabu [n=chozabu@82.153.39.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] mhb: What? You mean you weren't?! Damnit, I thought you were. heh [01:19] I think mornfall is still cranking away at it, and I think Riddell has been playing with it some, too. Don't know. when I tried to build it at UDS, I got it to compile, but run it did not. [01:20] Bug #119089 is fixed, as well as bug #85056. [01:20] Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089 [01:20] Launchpad bug 85056 in adept "adept_updater try's to fetch changelog from other package" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85056 [01:20] the patch is on the bug report for 119089. [01:20] I'm gonna go eat spicy food now. Later. [01:21] manchicken|away: mornfall isn't doing anything, but says he has some time this summer for a qt 4 port and UI improvements === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387DC0E.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4d071327.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dewey [n=dewey@c-67-168-51-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:42] gutsy-gibbon 2 would not boot for me? [01:46] check the CD is valid [01:47] evening === goldenear [n=goldenea@2001:6f8:392:1:213:2ff:fe4a:53a7] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:55] Riddell: Also, maybe change 'Kubuntu 7.10 amd64' to something more descriptive so as to know that it isn't the official release (maybe append 'Tribe 1', or 'Daily Build')... [01:58] not my choice that [01:58] you'd need to file a bug [02:00] ok, will do :) [02:07] Riddell: the md5sum was fine? [02:08] was the CD verification fine? [02:08] Riddell: how do that? [02:08] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.106.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4d07149f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4d07149f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Shely [n=huahua@60.20.49.26] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cynics [n=cynics@123.116.101.251] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-55-232.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:26] using gutsy tribe-2 installed in vmware i get a lot of text in console login mode and it becomes hard to type due to the messages scrolling [03:29] i noticed when i booted from the live cd of tribe 2 i had the option for dolphin as the file manager but don't see that in my updated today gutsy install === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:43] mhb: I figured out how to detect the lock for the easy resolution. [05:43] mhb: I'm wondering if it's really necessary to have a python script for that though to be honest with you. === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-static-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-static-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:35] mhb: I think I may have gotten a fix for the dpkg locked bug... [06:54] where does the useragent string get stored on a system? [06:54] it seems that with Gutsy, the Kubuntu useragent string is just detected as Linux now, and not Kubuntu anymore [06:55] That's an interesting question. [06:55] I'm guessing that's in kubuntu-defaults or something. === mbiebl [n=michael@e180073221.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === paran [n=paran@cust.fiber-lan.snet.lk.212.214.112.112.visit.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wavse === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === emonkey-f [n=emonkey@static-pro-212-101-27-121.adsl.solnet.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === emonkey__ [n=emonkey@static-pro-212-101-27-121.adsl.solnet.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:38] hiya Hobbsee [07:38] Hobbsee: where is the location of the file that contains the Kubuntu user agent string? It is there (somewhere) in Feisty, but doesn't seem to either work or it isn't installed with Feisty [07:39] nixternal: /etc/lsb_release ? [07:39] nope, becuase on Kubuntu boxes that reports Ubuntu [07:40] I have a script on my website that sniffs user agent strings, and it used to pick up Kubuntu until I upgraded to Gutsy [07:40] i'm not sure [07:40] have you tried grep -R'ing for the string, from / or something? [07:40] man, for like ever :) === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:13] manchicken: er.... [08:13] manchicken: you didnt happen to add kubuntumembers as a bug contact of adept, did you? [08:13] hiya Nightrose [08:13] heya Hobbsee === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEDB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a53c:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais_ [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:14] manchicken: yes, it is [11:14] manchicken: or a C++ app, I have no preference on that === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4d07149f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:17] manchicken: the idea is, to have the fix possible in the kubuntu as a whole [11:17] manchicken: adept's not the only tool in Kubuntu handling packages, you know [11:17] manchicken: so it would be rather silly to do several fixes for the same bug === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick waves [11:19] this restricted manager is cool! [11:19] which one? [11:20] i.e. you mean the *real* restricted-manager? [11:20] yes [11:24] LongPointyStick: good :o) === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:24] hi people ;) [11:24] how cool it is to be connected at home hehe :) [11:28] yay, Tonio_! === LongPointyStick is now known as Hobbsee [11:30] hey Hobbsee :) [11:31] connected at home, with wireless and wpa [11:31] Hobbsee: I was about to forget that sensation......... 2 month without internet at home :'( [11:31] was a bit rude [11:31] Tonio_: erk :( [11:33] Hobbsee: that'done finished now, so let's back to the work ! [11:33] hehe :) [11:33] Tonio_: i'm testing out a ubuntu cd at the moment [11:33] k3b packaging is really a peace of shit..... [11:34] Hobbsee: cool :) I'm repackaging k3b [11:35] Tonio_: with pygi? [11:35] heh, i've heard [11:35] Hobbsee: nope, I'm doing the initial packaging alone [11:35] Hobbsee: he'll improve this [11:35] Hobbsee: my goal is just to have the current package building with cdbs and patches correctly applied [11:36] Hobbsee: they actually don't, so we miss all the ubuntu changes to it [11:36] Hobbsee: btw a modern app, based on kde, with a pure debhelper packaging is really stupid [11:36] kde.mk/cdbs does a so good job.... [11:37] Tonio_: The problem is that you need to know that as a packager. All my attempts to use cdbs failed horribly because I could not figure out how to do things. === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:47] hunger: not talking about you, the problem is the basic debian packaging [11:48] hunger: the debian k3b package should be based on cdbs [11:48] hunger: that was not for you, don't mind :) hehe :) [11:49] hunger: I'm I the kind of guy that insults the work done by other people in the crew ? I don't think so ^^ [11:50] Tonio_: I hadn't assumed you were trying to assign tasks to me. I just said that I know many people (incl. me) that consider themselves to be too stupid for cdbs:-) [11:50] hunger: cdbs is for stupid people ! [11:51] hunger: I learned to package with cdbs, and learned debhelper later [11:51] hungerno need to now what you do ith cdbs, just load the good .mk files and that's it for a basic package :) [11:51] Tonio_: Really? I find debhelper much simpler as it does not hide so much from me. Way easier to figure out how to do things. [11:51] hunger: that's why I use cdbs, because it is for me, aka stupid people :) [11:52] Tonio_: cdbs is great... as long as everything is straight forward... but what ever is? [11:53] hunger: true [11:53] hunger: talking aout the packaging, why removing the iso and cue mimetypes ? [11:53] do they conflict with another package ? === hunger shrugs. No idea. [11:54] hunger: okay I'll investigate ;) [12:02] Riddell: what about us and desktop-effects? was something planned? === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387E1B0.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-081.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:21] hey, I think I found a bug in the installer [12:22] when you try to cancle the downloading of package lists, it crashes [12:22] mhb: mvo's looking into a compiz-kde package [12:22] mhb: it's actually quite nice. or would be, if it didnt have large bugs in it [12:23] Hobbsee: but it's surely more stable than kwin_composite :o) [12:24] erm,.... [12:24] not sure on that one [12:24] i dont like how this occasionally seems to eat windows, and how it's sometimes impossible to seelct windows with the mouse [12:26] Konqueror can't start the cooky manager === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387D716.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick is now known as Hobbsee_ [01:26] mhb: I'd like to see a kde desktop package which just works, but all a bit vauge really [01:26] mhb: note I'm at akademy from now until the end of next week so unreliable computer time [01:26] hiya Riddell [01:27] hi Hobbsee === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:32] Hobbsee, would you like to see other major kde apps like k3b going to bzr ? [01:33] Tonio_: yes please [01:33] Hobbsee needs to register a new branch I guess right ? [01:33] Tonio_: they all need get-orig-source lines too [01:33] note that amarok is in bzr upstream, we should branch that and do it properly (merges etc) [01:33] Tonio_: i think you can just upload the new branch, and it auto-registers [01:33] Hobbsee I'm not familiar with bzr and the branch creation process, can you brief me a bit about it [01:33] Tonio_: wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr [01:33] is a fairly good primer on it [01:34] Hobbsee the point is that bzr is slow as hell......... [01:34] Hobbsee: any chance of adept in bzr? [01:35] Hobbsee initial download of kdepim/debian is 3 times longuer that downloading the all source package... [01:35] Tonio_: it's getting faster. and usually only the original checkout is slow [01:35] true. bzr update is much faster [01:35] Tonio_: what i like about it is that i dont have to find 10 bugs to fix or whatever, to make it worth an upload [01:35] Hobbsee the point is that we won't have local things waiting for upload [01:35] i can fix a few, commit, and then a few more a few days later. and maybe someone else have put in a copule of fixes. which is then less stuff to build, and download [01:36] we can upload something that is not over and upload the package later, true [01:36] i'm not understanding you [01:38] Tonio_: is it a bad thing not having local things waiting for upload? [01:38] it's very annoying, if anyone else wants access to it, to test it out [01:39] Hobbsee one question, why don't we have one project with several branches in it ? [01:40] Hobbsee each package is there one project..... doesn't make sense [01:40] Tonio_: mainlyb ecause most of those sections of kde were already registered, so the "upstream" lists of bugs are already there. [01:40] i couldnt see the point of having 3 separate kdebase's, for eg. [01:40] Hobbsee that'll be hard to maintain with hundreds of package in my opinion [01:41] and because i didnt think of it. [01:41] I would have done a kubuntu-desktop project with all packages in main in the form of a branch [01:41] Tonio_: you're welcome to change it, to something more sane. [01:41] Tonio_: that's probably fairly easy to do, too. [01:41] Hobbsee second step probably :) [01:41] Tonio_: that's precisely why i requested for comments about what we should do. [01:42] Hobbsee just that I don't see how to create a new branch without the website.... [01:42] Hobbsee I have read the wiki, but I can't find it [01:42] I have done it once, for kdesudo, but I can't remember how.... :( [01:42] use push sftp://tonio_@bazarr........ [01:42] the command is listed in that guide [01:43] hum, indeed [01:43] just that I have to create the project before, which annoys me a lot :) [01:44] I wanted to add all my package in it, but register 40 projects would be very annoying ;) === elcuco [n=elcuco@79.178.45.242] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mikkael [n=michael@p54B087F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:44] Hobbsee okay here is a proposal, let's meet toonight here if you can and let's think of the best solution how to structure this, are you okay ? [01:44] Tonio_: sure. if i'm on irc, then that's fine [01:44] Hobbsee great [01:45] Tonio_: can you define how many hours away "tonight" is? [01:45] i just installed "kde-tweak" from gutsy repos. there is no menu-entry and i cant find it in kcontrol. thats the homepage. http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=51170&forumpage=2 [01:45] should i file a bug ? [01:45] Hobbsee, don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the bzr approach, I'm just unsure the way we structured this is adapted to heavy usage [01:45] Hobbsee as you know, I maintain a LOT of applications :) [01:45] Tonio_: true that. i more did that as a way to try it out [01:46] Tonio_: and i've already got some of those changes listed in those bzr branches [01:46] Hobbsee of course, a first attempt is always good, but requires a second step :) [01:46] no questoin there [01:46] Hobbsee look at the kde-extras branch on alioth [01:47] Hobbsee one project, one branch per app [01:47] fair enough [01:47] and one global branch for those like me who are working on potentially every package [01:47] Hobbsee that's the good way to do [01:47] right [01:48] Hobbsee also what would be nice is a script that apt-get source the package, bzr exports and builds the new source package [01:48] Tonio_: indeed. was hoping you'd write one [01:48] Hobbsee doing this manually is a bit annoying, and that's pretty easy to basically script [01:48] Hobbsee that'll be the third step I guess :) [01:49] Hobbsee this is basically what we've done for the french parliament, but that was using svn [01:50] :) [01:50] Riddell: ping ? [01:51] Riddell: I'm about to try to build kdepim with opensync support, that'll generate more files I have to put in a package [01:51] Riddell: where would you put the dh_install --list-missing thing in a cdbs based packaging ? [01:52] hum, looks like utils.mk does the trick === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ is now known as LongPointyStick === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-033-036.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mikkael [n=michael@p54B087F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] good afternoon [02:46] yop mhb :) [02:48] Riddell: fyi I'm changing a few things to the kdepim packaging, since once again, as we synced with debian, the desktop files for the kontact component are back in the kontact package, which is not good [02:49] hi Tonio_ [02:49] mhb: what's hello in czech? [02:49] RadiantFire: around? [02:49] for not long [02:49] I have to go to work in 5 mins [02:49] sorry, connection cut out on me again yesterday [02:49] Riddell: the result is that "news" is back in the components list of kontact on the left bar, even if the .so files are not installed.... that's unfair.... I'll try to get debian doing this properly for less maintainance in the future :) [02:50] so whats up mhb? [02:50] Riddell: I also discovered kitchensync.install file is missing, so the package is therefore empty, which is due to the fact that the multisync support has been removed, but the package dpesn't build-depends on opensync [02:50] RadiantFire: have you played with kde4 kdesu? [02:51] Riddell: conclusion : kdepim packaging is BAD ;) [02:51] hmm... I have not [02:51] does it function differently? [02:51] mhb: I thought about that nonewdcop thing [02:52] mhb: if implementing this is very long and complicated, that's really a problem, since then we'll have to do it for one release only.... [02:52] mhb: correction : 2 versions, as gutsy + 1 will use kde3 in the first place [02:52] Tonio_: have you done the opensync MIR yet? [02:52] or has someone? [02:52] Hobbsee: no I'm just testing this atm [02:52] oh, thats sad [02:53] Hobbsee: if it works or not [02:53] that's what's blocking kdepim, and why kitchensync stuff is not installed. [02:53] mhb: I must be off to work, I wll look at kdesu4 this evening or this weekend sometime [02:53] there was going to be a new versoin of opensync, which is what lure was waiting on [02:53] Hobbsee: hum, they don't want too many libs in main, I know that, but well in 2007, mobile syncing support is important, btw [02:54] Hobbsee: does the builddep need to be in universe ? [02:54] s/universe/main ? [02:54] Tonio_: to build a main package? yes. [02:54] Hobbsee: what is the problem in building with opensync support and keep kitchensync-opensync in universe ? [02:54] well, on the buildds [02:54] Hobbsee: that's pret stupid imho [02:54] Tonio_: if kitchensync-opensync is in kdepim, or split? [02:54] that's why we are castrating a lot of packages of their functionalities [02:55] Hobbsee: the code is in kdepim now [02:55] i realise that [02:55] you need all the build deps to be in main, to build a main package [02:55] Hobbsee: but there is no package concerning this, so I have to build and then fix the packaging, but we need opensync in main for this [02:55] exactly... [02:55] *shit* === Hobbsee isnt sure why this is so new and revolutionary, that it's such a surprise. [02:56] Hobbsee: will there be a meeting? [02:56] Hobbsee: I mean - you proposed one [02:56] this was also discussed around the time of the merging kde 3.5.7, although i guess Tonio_ wanst here [02:56] Hobbsee: opensync supports syncml, which multisync doesn't [02:56] mhb: yes. wednesday 1400 UTC i think [02:56] and syncml is the new standard protocol for mobile device synchronization [02:56] Hobbsee: please make some buzz about it, so others are aware of that [02:56] Hobbsee: simply this :) [02:56] mhb: of course [02:57] mhb: i'm in at work tomorrow - i'm hoping to grab the roster then, as i dont think it was done on thursday [02:57] no point scheduling a meeting, and fidnign i cant be there [02:57] Tonio_: fair enough. so it needs a MIR, which has always been planned, and lure was wanting to wait for the non-broken release of opensync. [02:57] Hobbsee: is the current one broken ? [02:58] Hobbsee: even if it's to early to get that in main now, packaging needs fixing for this :) [02:58] let's anticipate [02:58] Tonio_: i believe, from when i merged it, that the files for the kontact componets are there because otherwise they're installed from two places at once. and so dpkg errors out. [02:59] so it wasnt just a screwup, as you didnt do the packaging. [02:59] Hobbsee: nope, this is just a stupid packaging, I already fixed it twice [02:59] Hobbsee: you can apt-file search , there is no dupe on that point [02:59] just that the kontact knode desktop file should be installed with knode, not kontact [02:59] it wasnt fixed when i first found it, so i've got no idea what your "fixing" involved. [02:59] that doesn't make sense [03:00] indeed. but the entire directory that the knode desktop file is in *gets installed by kontact* [03:00] Hobbsee: the fixing is simply to rewrite the .install files, installing each desktop file with the package it depends on to work [03:00] and seeing as knode depends on kontact anyway... [03:00] each desktop file uses a different part and lib [03:00] this is true [03:00] Hobbsee: but kontact doesn't depend on knode :) [03:01] so you need to specify each desktop file explicitly, and not the entire directory [03:01] so installing kontact results a knode component in the left menu that fails to launch because knode isn't installed [03:01] here is the problem [03:01] Hobbsee: exactly [03:01] Tonio_: only by recommends, yes. [03:01] which are instaleld by default [03:01] Hobbsee: knode is installed on a default installation now ? [03:02] Hobbsee: that's impossible, knode is in universe [03:02] still, you cant fix the package to install opensync until you do a MIR, or find someone else to, else whatever you upload will sit in depwait [03:02] Hobbsee: I can fix the package, put it in an experimental branch of bzr, and wait for the mir ;) [03:02] Hobbsee: remember bzr ? :) ^^ [03:03] all i seem to be getting out of this is you saying that your way is right, the way it's been done previously is wrong, and that you think everyone else is crap [03:03] hopefully, i'm wrong. [03:03] Hobbsee: the opensync/kdepim packaging will have to be done some day, I just want to anticipate [03:03] this is true. but doing things in a logical order is well, logical. [03:03] Hobbsee: hu ???????? [03:04] as in, the MIR first, packaging later [03:04] seeing as the MIR will take forever, and the packaging is quick [03:04] Hobbsee: am I the kind of guy that considers others people job is crap ? [03:04] you're saying so above. [03:04] where ? [03:04] Hobbsee: the kdepim packaging has issues in it, for a very long time [03:04] conclusion : kdepim packaging is BAD ;) [03:05] Hobbsee: there is a smiley -> AKA joking [03:05]