[12:23] <bdmurray> Is there a way to change the default team membership length?
[12:24] <bdmurray> I found it.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> what decides if a package shows up in https://launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+packages?
[12:57] <AlinuxOS> hello, is it possibile to filter GNOME packages from KDE and XFCE packs in launchpad ?
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #122926 in launchpad "can't install courier-authdaemon_0.58-4ubuntu11_386.deb and sqwebmail_0.53_2-3ubuntu1_386.deb" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122926
[01:02] <LaserJock> AlinuxOS: not that I'm aware of
[01:03] <AlinuxOS> LaserJock, so it's not implemented right ?
[01:03] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if it's even very possible
[01:04] <LaserJock> the difference between nwhat is gnome and what is kde or xfce can be a tad vague
[01:05] <AlinuxOS> LaserJock, something that filters packages like: http://l10n.gnome.org/module/ listed here.
[01:06] <LaserJock> AlinuxOS: right, but that still means that somebody has to determine what a Gnome package is
[01:06] <LaserJock> we could assume any package that depends on GTK or on a certain gnome library
[01:06] <LaserJock> but maybe we should do just what's actually released by the Gnome project
[01:07] <LaserJock> see the problem?
[01:10] <AlinuxOS> yes but filter gnome core packages from BIG GNOMEKDEXFCE list, makes things better... for searching, trasnalting purposes  
[01:12] <LaserJock> I don't think that exists, and I'm not sure that it would be a very easy thing to do
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #122966 in launchpad "Launchpad very sluggish on satellite internet connections" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122966
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #122997 in launchpad "Too long bug summaries break the layout" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122997
[11:52] <gnomefreak> whats the chances of getting an LP admin to merge account for me, I did some packaging and my email was contact for a team at the time and i didnt relize it.
[12:00] <salgado> gnomefreak, we have no way of doing that right now. can you file a bug about it?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> salgado: i have an answers question on it ill file bug and combine them ty
[12:27] <mpt> bdmurray, the problem with summarizing a bug based on comments you can't see will be fixed once it becomes possible to change the summary+description without going to a separate page at all
[12:30] <gnomefreak> salgado: what package would this bug be best against as there is no "just" launchpad choice
[12:31] <salgado> gnomefreak, not a package. it should be in the launchpad product (launchpad.net/launchpad)
[12:31] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:40] <gnomefreak> salgado: ty its filed 
[12:41] <kiko> gnomefreak, well... I don't think that's actually a bug
[12:41] <kiko> based on what I answered in -users
[12:42] <kiko> err, I mean, in the question
[12:42] <kiko> packaging is historical
[12:42] <kiko> the packages were uploaded with that account
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #123013 in Ubuntu "[launchpad]  Maintained packages are in the wrong place." [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123013
[12:47] <gnomefreak> kiko: ok than ill link motu to it when i go up for motu
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123020 in pkgbinarymangler "support shipping verbatim files in the exported tarballs" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123020
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123021 in soyuz "please add Build-Essential: yes extra overrides" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123021
[01:30] <carlos> danilos: ping
[01:37] <Hobbsee> evening carlos 
[01:38] <carlos> Hobbsee: hi
[01:43] <carlos> cheers
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #123059 in launchpad "Bug modification collision warning" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123059
[05:07] <Hobbsee> who would "the ubuntu LP team be" ?
[05:09] <kiko> ~ubuntu-team mebbe?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> kiko: for renewing an ubuntumembers membership, that is about to expire
[05:09] <kiko> ~ubuntu-members I believe
[05:09] <kiko> there's a URL for it
[05:09] <kiko> but we just changed that
[05:10] <kiko> to allow people to renew their own
[05:10] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming it should be off launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[05:10] <kiko> yes
[05:10] <nalioth> howdy, i just got an email saying my Ubuntu membership on LP was soon to expire.  Seveas isn't around to talk to, so who would be the next person on the list?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> kiko: nalioth is the person wanting it
[05:16] <kiko> nalioth, you can renew your subscription yourself.
[05:16] <kiko> salgado, ^^^
[05:17] <salgado> maybe the team's renewal policy was changed after the expiration warning was sent
[05:18] <kiko> it was actually
[05:18] <kiko> can you give him a link?
[05:18] <nalioth> i'm not seeing anywhere to renew it, kiko (perhaps i'm not looking in the right place)
[05:19] <kiko> hmmm.
[05:19] <kiko> salgado?
[05:22] <salgado> nalioth, what's your launchpad ID?
[05:25] <nalioth> thanks, salgado.  wonder why that link isn't easily found?
[05:26] <kiko> nalioth, can you file a  bug for us to display expiring memberships on your homepage?
[05:26] <kiko> with links to the renewal pages?
[05:26] <salgado> nalioth, it's emailed to the members, but indeed it should be visible once it's accessible
[05:27] <LaserJock> mrevell: around?
[05:27] <nalioth> or the link should be in the email, or something
[05:28] <salgado> nalioth, it wasn't in the email because the team's renewal policy was changed after the email was sent to you
[05:28] <salgado> nalioth, when did you get that email?
[05:29] <mrevell> LaserJock: hi
[05:29] <LaserJock> mrevell: heah, just reading over your ComingFeatures page
[05:29] <mrevell> LaserJock: Ah, great :)
[05:29] <LaserJock> mrevell: I think as an intro doc for people you shouldn't link to blueprints
[05:30] <LaserJock> ask everyone will click on "Read the full specification" and go WTF?
[05:30] <LaserJock> s/ask/as/
[05:31] <LaserJock> since people can only read the little summary anyway, maybe just copy-n-paste that into the ComingFeatures page
[05:31] <kiko> BjornT, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/86426
[05:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86426 in evolution "MASTER: [Feisty]  Evolution always tries to print A4" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[05:31] <mrevell> LaserJock: I can see your point. However, usually there's enough information in the summary to give an idea of what the feature is about. The blueprint itself does include more information, such as the implementation status, etc.
[05:32] <mrevell> LaserJock: It's an interesting point, though. It may put newer users off.
[05:32] <mrevell> LaserJock: But I think many people would wonder why we hadn't linked to the blueprint.
[05:32] <LaserJock> mrevell: but wouldn't the milestone pages be just as good?
[05:33] <LaserJock> just a thought, I see your rationale
[05:33] <LaserJock> I just think for new people it might be a put-off
[05:33] <mrevell> LaserJock: Well, we do link to the milestones pages already, from the ComingFeatures page. I think people would find it odd if we didn't link to the blueprints. Do you think that people not being able to access the Launchpad wiki outweighs that? At the moment, I feel we should link to the blueprint, but I'm open to discussion :)
[05:34] <LaserJock> I do feel it outweighs it, personally
[05:34] <LaserJock> I would think if people were interested in the actual blueprints they'd probably go to the milestone page which should have them already
[05:35] <mrevell> LaserJock: I don't want people to be put off, so perhaps we need to handle it with a better explanation of why that happens, either in the ComingFeatures page. Or, perhaps we need a Launchpad feature that allows someone to tell Launchpad that a spec's wiki page is private, and it would then put a relevant icon beside the link.
[05:35] <LaserJock> which in fact shows them better as far as status because you see it all at once
[05:35] <mrevell> LaserJock: Right, and the ComingFeatures page is a nice quick overview of what's planned, for people who don't want to delve into the milestones themselves.
[05:36] <mrevell> LaserJock: Thanks for raising it.
[05:36] <mrevell> Rinchen: LaserJock has suggested that we shouldn't link to each individual blueprint from the ComingFeatures page
[05:36] <mrevell> Rinchen: as that may confuse newer users when they try to visit the wiki page. what do you think?
[05:36] <LaserJock> so I guess if it was me I'd go with a link to the milestones (you've already got that) and say "For more detailed information see the Milestones"
[05:37] <LaserJock> but putting a link to the blueprint at the beginning of each spec is asking for them to be clicked
[05:37] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:37] <Rinchen> mrevell, we should link to each milestone certainly.  A link to each coming feature need not be there but I personally find it handy
[05:37] <mrevell> LaserJock: The issue of the wiki pages being private isn't limited to the ComingFeatures page, though.
[05:37] <LaserJock> no
[05:38] <mrevell> LaserJock: True that it's asking for them to be clicked, but it's not necessarily asking for people to click through to the wiki :)
[05:38] <LaserJock> long term I'd love to see either the wiki opened (obviously) or the ability to mark specs links private
[05:38] <aa_> hi does importing svn still work? my repo has been in state "processing" for a few weeks
[05:38] <mrevell> Rinchen: Do you think it could be a problem?
[05:38] <mrevell> LaserJock: I like that second idea, definitely.
[05:38] <mrevell> Rinchen: Personally, I think we should mark wiki links as private, or do some explanation to warn people, rather than remove the links.
[05:39] <LaserJock> mrevell: the problem is, when you've already given them most of the info, when they go to the spec page they are naturally going to want to see more, because you've already got them interested in your little blurb on ComingFeatures
[05:39] <mrevell> ddaa: Hey, are you able to help aa_?
[05:39] <ddaa> few weeks?
[05:39] <ddaa> which one is it?
[05:39] <LaserJock> mrevell: that makes sense, I like the private flagging. That way people can refer to a wiki page even though we can't see it :-)
[05:39] <ddaa> what's the URL of the series page in launchpad
[05:40] <ddaa> the page that displays the svn details
[05:40] <Rinchen> mrevell, I don't see an issue either way. My requirement is that we have a link (at least one) for each milestone so that users can easily get to it if they so desire.
[05:40] <aa_> ddaa: launchpad.net/pida/0.5
[05:40] <mrevell> Rinchen: Cool, thanks.
[05:41] <Rinchen> mrevell, I want to enable users to review the basic info surrounding coming features and then provide comments if they wish ("omg this is sooo gonna break my process"  or "oh wow, I'm buying you guys dinner.")
[05:41] <aa_> ddaa: it says that it has synced successfully
[05:42] <mrevell> LaserJock: My feeling is still that more people would complain at the lack of a link, than at not being able to see the full spec in the wiki. However, I'm going to ask some other guys on the Launchpad team what they think and I'll also see if I get any complaints. I think we need to look at the issue more generally, perhaps.
[05:42] <Rinchen> mrevell, there are private wiki links?
[05:42] <aa_> I mean it says that the sync has started and finished
[05:42] <LaserJock> Rinchen: hopefully less of the former and more of the later
[05:42] <ddaa> aa_: ?
[05:42] <ddaa> here, it says processing
[05:42] <Rinchen> LaserJock, yeah :-) 
[05:42] <mrevell> Rinchen: The blueprints link to the full specs on a private wiki, yeah :)
[05:42] <mrevell> Rinchen: It'd be cool if there were a visual representation of that on the blueprint page.
[05:42] <ddaa> aa_: apparently, mwhudson has repeatedly tried to get that import through
[05:43] <Rinchen> mrevell, yes, those are unfortunately unavoidable at the moment for launchpad specific. If you think it's important, talk it over with Steve and then the blueprints guys
[05:43] <LaserJock> mrevell: I guess what I would do is basically give them all the info that's in the blueprint summary, then really the only information that's left that they can get at is the status
[05:43] <mrevell> Rinchen: Cheers.
[05:43] <LaserJock> and I think the milestone page is better for that
[05:43] <Rinchen> mrevell, I'd say ComingFeatures should have only public features but the specs may link to private pages which describe the infrastructure stuff.
[05:43] <aa_> ddaa: is that a good thing or a bad thing?
[05:43] <ddaa> and was fended off by this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/120992
[05:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120992 in launchpad-bazaar "should be able to import incrementally from unreliable servers" [Undecided,New]  
[05:44] <ddaa> aa_: it's a bad thing
[05:44] <aa_> oh :(
[05:44] <ddaa> our svn import code is not good enough to deal with googlecode
[05:44] <aa_> double oh :(
[05:44] <ddaa> which is not the most reliable svn hosting service on the planet
[05:44] <ddaa> three options
[05:44] <mrevell> LaserJock: I don't want to bulk out ComingFeatures too much, as it should be easy for someone to scan. I'll give it some thought.
[05:44] <aa_> we have a mirror somewhere...
[05:44] <ddaa> * fix our svn import code
[05:44] <ddaa> * fix googlecode
[05:44] <ddaa> * do without a launchpad import
[05:45] <LaserJock> mrevell: well yeah, but have you seen most of the blueprint summaries? you've pretty much covered them in ComingFeatures
[05:45] <ddaa> aa_: a mirror?
[05:45] <ddaa> the same svn repo in another location?
[05:45] <ddaa> that would help
[05:45] <LaserJock> so pretty much the only thing left is the summaries
[05:45] <aa_> well the repo is mirrored/synced/cloned for use with TRAC
[05:45] <aa_> I'll ask the guy who deals with it
[05:45] <LaserJock> and I think that's much better seen on the milestone pages
[05:46] <ddaa> aa_: that would definitely help
[05:46] <ddaa> the problem is the initial import
[05:46] <ddaa> it should be okay if we can get it through
[05:46] <aa_> fixing your svn import code sounds like fun though, whould I get to meet Mark Shuttleworth or Kiko?
[05:46] <ddaa> it's GPLv2+, available on Launchpad
[05:47] <mrevell> LaserJock: Yeah, maybe it is unnecessary. Thanks again, I'll speak to the Kikmeister and Steve.
[05:47] <LaserJock> mrevell: anyway, it's not a big deal. I just thought I'd bring it up as I think people will notice it.
[05:47] <mrevell> LaserJock: Thanks, very much appreciated :)
[05:47] <ddaa> aa_: there https://code.launchpad.net/~launchpad/launchpad-cscvs/rocketfuel
[05:47] <LaserJock> I love the page though
[05:47] <ddaa> it's not the nicest code on the planet, but it's very well tested
[05:48] <aa_> ddaa: is there a bug against it for this, or should I raise one?
[05:48] <ddaa> here's the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/120992
[05:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120992 in launchpad-bazaar "should be able to import incrementally from unreliable servers" [Undecided,New]  
[05:48] <ddaa> I suggested retargetting it to launchpad-cscvs
[05:48] <ddaa> mwhudson: what about retargetting that bug as I suggested?
[05:49] <ddaa> aa_: beware, fixing our import code is a lot of work, we have very strict Q&A, and properly fixing the issue would involve using low-level libsvn python bindings
[05:50] <aa_> try not to scare me!
[05:51] <ddaa> I am definitely trying to scare you.
[05:51] <kiko> aa_, I'm here in london btw
[05:51] <kiko> aa_, I'm riding to canterbury on sunday
[05:52] <ddaa> anyway, in the short term, if you could give the location of mirror of this svn, or even a copy, we can make the import happen.
[05:52] <aa_> kiko: oh nice
[05:52] <kiko> aa_, come up tomorrow?
[05:53] <aa_> kiko: way to busy
[05:54] <aa_> kiko: but one of these days
[05:54] <LaserJock> who reads topics? ;-)
[05:55] <aa_> ddaa: I am trying to work out an accessible URL, something over ftp...
[05:56] <mwhudson> ddaa: i didn't really understand why you didn't just retarget it, it all sounds fine to me
[06:02] <ddaa> mwhudson: maybe you _really_ wanted restartable imports
[06:02] <mwhudson> ddaa: ok
[06:02] <mwhudson> ddaa: i didn't
[06:02] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: true that
[06:03] <mwhudson> apologies for not expressing the real problem in the bug report
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #123074 in malone "Automatic creation of bug watches fail if multiple URLs are on the same line" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123074
[06:09] <carlos> danilos: I don't know why, but i have lost my access to half Internet...
[06:10] <danilos> carlos: what half did you lose access to?
[06:10] <danilos> carlos: canonical.com half, I suppose? :)
[06:10] <carlos> google, lenovo, Ubuntu/canonical and I guess others
[06:11] <danilos> carlos: well, no new laptop for you then :)
[06:11] <carlos> :-P
[06:28] <aa_> was there some file hosting feature on launchpad?
[06:28] <aa_> someone msg'd me about it a few weeks ago but I had no releases to test it with. Now I have a release
[06:33] <mrevell> aa_: Hi, yeah, projects can host files on Launchpad and make them available for download.
[06:33] <mrevell> aa_: Here's a quick overview:
[06:33] <mrevell> aa_: https://help.launchpad.net/FileDownloadsOverview
[06:33] <aa_> mrevell: I can't find a link on where/how
[06:33] <aa_> ah thanks
[06:33] <mrevell> :)
[06:59] <kiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/aaronsw/+bug/122338
[06:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122338 in aaronsw "annoying people have my cell phone number" [Undecided,New]  
[07:12] <kiko> https://launchpad.net/bigenkz
[07:33] <aa_> would be really nice to batch edit some bug reports
[07:33] <aa_> shall I just use xmlrpc and the python command line?
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #123095 in malone "in launchpad bug comments, above quoted text appears within the quoted text [...] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123095
[09:21] <polopolo> hello all, can someone edit my massage on bug #122936
[09:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122936 in amarok "Burning an audio CD is completely impossible " [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122936 - Assigned to polopolo (linux-debaat)
[09:24] <polopolo> nobody that can help em?
[09:28] <LaserJock> polopolo: what is it that you need?
[09:29] <polopolo> Can you remove the text 'This is a question for the forum or maillist, not a bug.' ?
[09:29] <LaserJock> polopolo: you can't?
[09:29] <polopolo> no, how then?
[09:30] <LaserJock> oh, wait, that's a comment
[09:30] <LaserJock> no, you can't delete comments
[09:31] <polopolo> you also not?
[09:31] <LaserJock> no
[09:31] <LaserJock> if you need to retract a statement just add a new comment saying so
[09:32] <polopolo> ah, ok, thanks for you're help
[09:32] <LaserJock> think of it like email
[10:40] <mranostay|work> first IPv6 address i've seen on IRC ^