[12:30] <omha> im getting this http://pastebin.ca/594400
[12:30] <omha> what is the reason for it?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> omha: ignore it
[12:32] <omha> it's crashing kiba-dock
[12:33] <omha> http://pastebin.ca/594403
[12:33] <gnomefreak> omha: yes its crashing more than that, kiba-dock isnt supported so ther eisnt a thing you can do about it except rebuild it with fixing it
[12:33] <gnomefreak> omha: it happens on alot of things
[12:33] <omha> yea i been noticing that
[12:33] <omha> but why?
[12:34] <omha> compiled against a old version or something?
[02:03] <ShackJack> HI all - am upgrading to Gutsy and was prompted about gnome/defaults.list config file.. Chose D to see differences, then Ctrl-Z to exit... How can I resume the upgrade, bg doesn't work - just gives [1] + sudo aptitude upgrade & (?)
[02:05] <RAOF> fg
[02:05] <RAOF> (Should bring aptitude back into the foreground, where you'll be able to interact with it)
[02:06] <ShackJack> RAOF: Thanks - seems to work...
[02:14] <ShackJack> Darn all those "foreign" fonts - wish they weren't part of the ubuntu-desktop meta package :(
[02:33] <jimp> As of a few weeks ago gutsy didn't boot on the PS3.  Anyone know if that's fixed in tribe 2?
[02:40] <ToHellWithGA> lol jimp
[02:40] <ToHellWithGA> that's really cool, what processor does the PS3 use?
[02:41] <RAOF> Cell.  Which is a (pretty slow) PowerPC processor + some coprocessors, essentially
[02:41] <RAOF> Which is why the PowerPC version of Ubuntu can run on it :)
[02:41] <jimp> 3.2ghz isn't too slow in my book, but maybe i'm old.
[02:42] <RAOF> jimp: Yeah, but it doesn't do much per cpu-cycle
[02:43] <RAOF> (It's entirely possible to make a 10GHz processor which performs much, much worse than a current 2.0 GHz Core 2)
[02:44] <RAOF> (one of) The reason(s) it can have such a high clockspeed is that it doesn't do a whole lot of stuff that regular CPUs do to speed up most code :)
[02:44] <jimp> The PPU does.  The SPUs don't.
[02:44] <jimp> But anyway, whatever, I take it nobody knows the current state of ubuntu's ps3 port.  I'll just give it a try.
[02:44] <RAOF> The PPU (which is the PowerPC chip) still doesn't have out-of-order execution, etc.  It's much simpler than a conventional CPU.
[02:45] <RAOF> So stuff which is explicitly written for Cell can get trememndous performance, but stuff that isn't won't be able to use much of it's power :)
[02:46] <jimp> I'm writing code explicitly for cell, so that doesn't bother me.
[02:46] <RAOF> Indeed.  It's tremendously fast if you can use it properly :)
[03:02] <jimp> Nope, still busted.  I wish my bug report about this hadn't just been closed, so people could actually know when it's fixed.
[03:03] <RAOF> Which bug report?
[03:04] <jimp> bug #120295
[03:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120295 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Gusty livecd fails to boot on PS3" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120295
[03:05] <DanaG> odd: disabling 'nv' under restricted-modules does NOT disable nvidia-new.
[03:06] <wfarr> DanaG, aren't they completely different drivers? o_O
[03:06] <wfarr> I thought nv was the opensource Nvidia driver, and nvidia is the proprietary one
[03:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/105756
[03:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105756 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "DISABLED_MODULES="nv" doesn't stop nvidia_new.ko from loading" [Undecided,New] 
[03:11] <DanaG> I actually edited restricted-manager myself.
[03:11] <DanaG> I did that even before I knew about that bug report.
[03:29] <ShackJack> Hi Ubuntites -- I'm having difficulty getting XGL to run on Gutsy... XSession report, something like "(process:7027): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid." and says I must create a helper program. Could anyone offer a tip on how to start XGL on Gutsy? (can pastebin current session script if needed)
[03:29] <RAOF> That's a warning, not the error.
[03:29] <RAOF> wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager/Xgl still works.
[03:33] <ShackJack> RAOF: This is what I have, essentially (except I sleep 5 b4 staring dbus-launch)... (Method A)
[03:33] <RAOF> ShackJack: So, do you have the "dbus-x11" package installed?
[03:34] <ShackJack> No, doesn't seem to be...
[03:34] <RAOF> Install that, and it'll work.
[03:34] <ShackJack> K- great thanks --- didn't see any other DBUS errors...
[03:35] <ShackJack> RAOF: Just curious - is this a new package for Gutsy?
[03:44] <Praxx> Guys does anyone know if " the gibbon" supports realtek high def audio codec? or would I have to wait for Gibbon+1
[03:45] <ShackJack> Hi all - I managed to start up XGL in Gutsy, but when I try to enable Desktop Effects, returns error "failed to execute child process - gtk-window-decorator (no such file/directory)... Any thoughts on what package I might be missing (-f install, etc reveals no missing dependencies)?
[03:46] <Praxx> I have been waiting since Dapper and have not found help. Too poor to buy another laptop and too stubborn to move to xp again
[03:47] <RAOF> Praxx: Where's the bug report?
[03:47] <RAOF> ShackJack: Yes, it's new for Gutsy.  dbus-launch was split out of the main dbus packages, and into dbus-x11
[03:52] <Praxx> RAOF, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/57065
[03:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57065 in Ubuntu "No sound with nVidia High Definition Audio card (dup-of: 117246)" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[03:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117246 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Not work Audio device: "nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)"" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[03:53] <Praxx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/117246
[03:54] <thully> hi - is anyone having problems suspending to RAM using g-p-m?  In the latest gutsy, it doesn't work for me - though  sudo pmi action sleep works
[03:55] <RAOF> Praxx: Hm, neither of those bugs seem particularly well filed.  However, you might want to try Gutsy and see.
[03:56] <Praxx> RAOF, how does one make sure that the proper info is provided and the request is heard. There many threads filled with this issue and I wish I knew how to proceed
[03:56] <RAOF> Praxx:     *
[03:57] <RAOF> Praxx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems is a good start.  You'll want to be running Gutsy, too (at least a LiveCD)
[03:58] <RAOF> Also, threads on ubuntuforums really aren't very useful in fixing bugs.  If it's not on Launchpad, it doesn't exist ;).
[03:58] <Praxx> :O
[03:58] <Praxx> ok. Fair enuff. Atleast now i know where to start
[03:58] <Praxx> thanks mate
[03:58] <RAOF> It's also probably an upstream bug in ALSA.
[03:59] <Praxx> does that make it more complicated?
[03:59] <Praxx> shud i file a bug with them too?
[03:59] <RAOF> No, but it means that you might also want to check out the ALSA bugtracker.
[03:59] <RAOF> The more work you do, the more likely the bug is to be fixed :)
[04:00] <Praxx> ok. If this is the price I have to pay for freedom... I am fine with it.
[04:00] <Praxx> thanks mate
[04:01] <Praxx> Gibbon is my friend now :D
[04:01] <Praxx> one question: I know it is kinda late but if proper info i provided .. is there a remote change that someone might look into this before gibbon is released
[04:01] <Praxx> ?
[04:02] <RAOF> Oh, a pretty good one.
[04:02] <RAOF> But it's kinda dependent on you (or another tester) doing some of the work :)
[04:02] <Praxx> ooh
[04:02] <Praxx> well.. I will start with a bug report. then lets see.
[04:02] <Praxx> thanks mate
[04:03] <Praxx> salut!
[04:03] <RAOF> NP
[04:14] <thully> I'm having problems with gnome-power-manager in Gutsy - if I try to suspend my MacBook nothing happens.  Using the pmi command works fine.  Anyone have any idea on what is wrong here?
[04:16] <RAOF> thully: Is there a bug filed on launchpad?  You might want to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[04:17] <thully> OK - I'll check that.  I do know that it's the userland software at fault, though - as I can suspend with pmi action sleep
[04:20] <RAOF> Hm.  Well, maybe just check out the bugs on gnome-power-manager then.  If there isn't one already, file one.
[04:24] <thully> OK - I guess I'll do that
[04:40] <ToHellWithGA> .me leaves
[04:47] <cables> The Tribe 2 link on ubuntu.com/testing isn't working, it's going to an admin.ubuntu.com site and asking for a password.
[04:48] <thully> cables: try cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-2
[04:48] <cables> thully, thanks
[04:56] <Hobbsee> cables: erk
[04:56] <Hobbsee> cables: now, i'm sure i shouldnt SMS the person responsible yet, as its' 5am
[04:57] <cables> Hobbsee, it's weird, there was a similar problem w/ Tribe 1
[04:57] <cables> or at least I remember there being one...
[04:57] <Hobbsee> cables: yeah...just seen that.
[05:17] <hansin321> Has Tribe 2 been officially released?  Thanks.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hansin321: yes
[05:17] <hansin321> Hobbsee: Thanks, time to upgrade...
[05:18] <Hobbsee> good luck!
[05:29] <knix> So where are these ff3 packages? :P
[05:31] <Hobbsee> in gutsy
[05:31] <Hobbsee> firefox-granparadiso
[05:32] <knix> ah, I don't know how I missed that, haha
[05:32] <knix> thanks =)
[06:31] <graft> hiya - whenever i try to run aumix it says:  aumix:  SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK
[06:31] <graft> and doesn't start
[06:31] <graft> any idea what's up?
[06:33] <graft> that's it
[06:34] <graft> it doesn't look like an error to me, either, but that's what i got
[06:34] <RAOF> Mmm, file a bug(tm)?
[06:34] <graft> yargh
[06:39] <graft> hrm... any particular reason there are localization files for aumix in 18 languages but not english?
[06:41] <RAOF> :)
[06:43] <graft> damnit... this bug is so annoying
[07:14] <crackerbox> hey guys
[07:14] <crackerbox> i think i need words of wisdom from a pro...
[07:15] <crackerbox> anyone familure with reconfiguring casper for use with a custom Live environment?
[07:43] <siimo> hi any gutsy users here?
[07:43] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:43] <Hobbsee> !ask
[07:43] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:43] <siimo> i am running it and the Xorg seems to freeze randomly requring a hard reset with holding power button
[07:43] <siimo> any ideas about this?
[07:43] <crackerbox> anyone familure with reconfiguring casper for use with a custom Live environment?
[07:44] <siimo> tried both nv and nvidia drivers by the way
[07:44] <Hobbsee> crackerbox: download the casper source and have a look
[07:44] <Hobbsee> siimo: i wonder if it happens with the new xorg
[07:45] <siimo> Hobbsee: i am dist-upgraded from 18 hrs ago
[07:45] <Hobbsee> not sure if the new xorg stuff is even loaded yet.  the mesa stuff is
[07:45] <Hobbsee> anything interesting in syslog, the usual logs?
[07:46] <siimo> no i am not mesa  patched as i se those updates now
[07:46] <crackerbox> hobbsee: casper's hooks are where i could allow my custom LiveCD to automatically use the propriatary driver that i installed while i was chroot'ed into my squashFS?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> crackerbox: i'm not sure.  i've only touched casper once
[07:47] <siimo> not that i  can see Hobbsee
[07:48] <Hobbsee> siimo: weird.
[07:48] <siimo> maybe my chipset has bugs in kernel 2.6.22 :| but i recompiled 2.6.21 and still same issue so it isnt kernel related
[07:53] <siimo> any suggestions dude
[07:54] <Hobbsee> nope
[07:56] <siimo> i guess just keep dist upgrading and looking for fix
[07:59] <siimo> @ tride 2.. i thought i'd be more stable than random X lockups :P
[08:00] <Tm_T> isn't stable = boring
[08:01] <siimo> yeah but hard reset every 10 mins due to lockup = annoying
[08:02] <Hobbsee> siimo: do you have compiz enabled?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> these releases arent stable.  they're snapshots
[08:03] <siimo> Hobbsee: no compiz just plain old XFCE envrionment
[08:03] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:05] <siimo> im also getting this error upon chrooting into the ubuntu id: cannot find name for group ID 11
[08:21] <siimo__> Hobbsee: i ran the test again.. its strange X stops after exactly 5 mins from reboot every time
[08:21] <Hobbsee> that's weird
[08:21] <siimo__> Jun 29 18:17:01 Sempron /USR/SBIN/CRON[3105] : (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[08:21] <siimo__> that was in my syslog when it died
[08:22] <Hobbsee> is there anything interesting running in cron?
[08:22] <siimo__> only built in stuff by ubuntu i havent touched cron yet
[08:23] <siimo__> i will try turning cron off
[08:54] <DanaG> argh-ness: my terminals are blank when I use vga=anything -- still!
[08:55] <Hobbsee> erk.
[08:55] <Hobbsee> found out why yet?
[08:57] <DanaG> nope.
[08:57] <DanaG> I think some time I'll try compiling a custom kernel and messing with the config.
[08:57] <DanaG> Is there an easy way to pull a kernel tree with all ubuntu patches already installed?
[08:58] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another thing: suspend broke for me.  Even if I stop gdm and unload nvidia, my system will freeze on resume.
[09:00] <cyphase> what does everyone think about including an option to install the GtkGLExt Python bindings from within the Chess program? maybe only if you're an administrator
[09:05] <DanaG> Well, at the very least, it should give a package name.
[09:05] <DanaG> I am pretty savvy, yet I still didn't know what to look for.
[09:06] <DanaG> libgtkgl-python?
[09:06] <DanaG> It turned out to be python-something-or-other -- python is in front.
[09:07] <DanaG> Argh, how can I build iwlwifi?
[09:08] <DanaG> Linux-headers doesn't have everything iwlwifi needs -- but I really don't want to have to install the full source.
[09:15] <cyphase> isn't rhythmbox supposed to auto-install codecs like totem does?
[09:16] <DanaG> I think I'll just end up trying my own kernel some time.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> cyphase: grab ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:18] <cyphase> Hobbsee: i already have all my codecs installed..
[09:18] <Hobbsee> ah right
[09:18] <Hobbsee> no idea
[09:18] <cyphase> Hobbsee: i'm just playing with tribe 2, and i thought that even in feisty, rhythmbox was supposed to be able to auto-install codecs like totem
[09:20] <Hobbsee> ahh.  no idea, i dotn run gnome
[09:27] <dufrp> just installed kubuntu gutsy (32 bits), using pppoeconf, Internet seems to work fine, but konqueror always report 'Could not connect to host ...', known issue?
[09:31] <dufrp> well, just installed firefox and it works, should be able to find answer myself now
[09:32] <kjw75> is gutsy fairly stable or is it just a mess to run?
[09:33] <cyphase> ehh.. fairly stable
[09:33] <cyphase> for an early alpha release
[09:33] <Hobbsee> kjw75: dont run it on production machiens, and we're about to go thru another X transition
[09:33] <T-Connect> Anyone having a problem with NTFS?
[09:34] <kjw75> ok, I can't get my wireless laptop card to work in feisty, but read a post that said the gutsy kernel works with it, so am wondering whether I should nuke feisty and go for gutsy
[09:34] <kjw75> what you mean by X transition?
[09:34] <Hobbsee> kjw75: other things break.  including network manager
[09:34] <Hobbsee> kjw75: newer version of X and libs.
[09:35] <T-Connect> nfts-3g version 1:1.328-1 seem screwup here. I download it from Synaptic Package Manager. It won't let me unmount
[09:35] <kjw75> ok, any way to use the gutsy kernel with feisty, I read that someone got their wireless working by backporting the gutsy kernel to feisty, but I'm not really sure what that means
[09:35] <T-Connect> I get a message with red dot.
[09:36] <Hobbsee> T-Connect: i suggest you contact the makers of ntfs-3g
[09:37] <T-Connect> So yu know about that problem?
[09:37] <Hobbsee> no
[09:37] <Hobbsee> i dont use ntfs-3g
[09:37] <T-Connect> Ok
[09:38] <T-Connect> Anything cool on Gutsy?
[09:39] <kjw75> any ideas on my last question, I'm starting to fall asleep here, so if not, I will go to bed :)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> compiz stuff, etc.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> kjw75: you dont want to do it.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> kjw75: you have to recompile the kernel for feisty, etc
[09:40] <kjw75> ok, thanks :)
[09:41] <kjw75> well g'night all and thanks for the help!
[10:56] <b9> hi all. Just a quick question - what is the cleanest way to upgrade to gutsy from fesity? (without re-installing from cd that is...)
[10:57] <Hobbsee> dist upgrade...
[10:58] <b9> just changes my sources to gutsy and thenupgrade?
[10:59] <Hobbsee> ys
[10:59] <Hobbsee> *yes
[10:59] <b9> cheers
[11:27] <siimo> Hi i install Tribe2 and around about ~5 mins into starting it up the X session just locks up really bad  and needs to be rebooted
[11:27] <siimo> any ideas for fixing?
[12:24] <sky_walkie> hi there , any experience with ubuntu gutsy + vmware ? I can't even boot to GUI to start the installation, any way how to disable compiz adding some boot aprms ??
[12:48] <napsy_> Will gutsy have x.org 7.3?
[12:53] <alberto> hi
[12:53] <gnomefreak> napsy_: yes
[12:53] <alberto> if I want to upgrade to feisty
[12:53] <napsy_> ok
[12:54] <gnomefreak> alberto: feisty support is in #ubuntu
[12:54] <alberto> changing feisty with gutsy in /etc/apt/sources-lit and dist-upgrade
[12:54] <alberto> is enought?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:54] <gnomefreak> alberto: you really should wait
[12:54] <alberto> wait why?
[12:54] <Amaranth> gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
[12:54] <gnomefreak> alberto: why becasue its no where near stable
[12:54] <alberto> I did update-manager d and it only upgrade my feisty system
[12:55] <alberto> gnomefreak: I dont care, I am debian user since potato, and using sid for years
[12:55] <alberto> gnomefreak: I dont care about stable or not
[12:55] <alberto> hehe
[12:55] <alberto> I would like to take a look to gutsy just that
[12:55] <crdlb> gutsy is really nothing like sid
[12:56] <gnomefreak> sid == always unstable gutsy == will be stable in 4 months
[12:56] <alberto> I now, so what?
[12:56] <alberto> I want to report bugs
[12:56] <alberto> and use gutsy
[12:57] <alberto> why you are trying me to stop that?
[12:57] <alberto> I dont understand
[12:57] <gnomefreak> alberto: read the topic
[12:58] <alberto> I told you, I were using sid for years
[12:58] <alberto> so, dont you think I am familiarized with dpkg?
[12:58] <alberto> xD
[12:59] <gnomefreak> alberto: see your question above to answer that question but please feel free to upgrade all you want, but let it be known alot of users cant boot to gutsy
[12:59] <alberto> cant boot?
[12:59] <alberto> thats absurd
[12:59] <alberto> xD
[01:00] <gnomefreak> alberto: no its not since there are kernel issues
[01:00] <gnomefreak> alberto: i think IMHO you need to stick with stable since you think that it will always boot and that its aburd that people cant
[01:00] <alberto> gnomefreak: are you using gutsy?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> alberto: yes i have to
[01:01] <alberto> Let me try
[01:01] <alberto> ok, and I WANT TO
[01:01] <alberto> ok?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> alberto: i said do as you wish
[01:01] <gnomefreak> i was warning you
[01:01] <alberto> :-)
[01:01] <alberto> dont care for me
[01:01] <alberto> indeed if there are problems, I can help
[01:02] <alberto> what about reporting bugs and helping to the dev community?
[01:02] <alberto> I am really getting surprised about what you wrote
[01:02] <alberto> dont you want people to help? ...
[01:03] <gnomefreak> alberto: its not ready for testing outside of devel. but do as you wish
[01:03] <gnomefreak> beta == ready for wider testing
[01:03] <alberto> well, I told I was using sid for YEARS
[01:03] <alberto> what is the problem?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> alberto: btw you know dpkg you should know how to upgrade. again sid is nothing like gutsy sid is stable compared to gutsy
[01:04] <alberto> in sid I found dependencies problems for years, and I fixed it by my own, and helped debian people
[01:04] <gnomefreak> alberto: but go ahead upgrade using command Amaranth gave you
[01:04] <alberto> I just wanted to do the same here
[01:04] <alberto> sid is not testint
[01:04] <alberto> is UNSTABLE
[01:04] <alberto> indeed I used experimental too
[01:04] <gnomefreak> alberto: i didnt say sid was testing
[01:04] <alberto> man.. I only want to help you
[01:05] <alberto> so stop advertising me
[01:05] <alberto> I know what kind of problems I'll find
[01:06] <Amaranth> hehe, yeah
[01:06] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: ;) we know
[01:06] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it doesnt run too badly, if hte user is actually going to file bugs
[01:06] <Hobbsee> excluding compiz, maybe
[01:06] <alberto> yes, I used to change /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade just
[01:06] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: hey!
[01:06] <Hobbsee> hiya Amaranth
[01:06] <Amaranth> compiz is fine :)
[01:07] <alberto> what is the different with the upgrade manager?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> except when it hides my windows, and i can never find how ot get them back.
[01:07] <gnomefreak> alberto: you didnt read what Amaranth gave you
[01:07] <alberto> yes, I did
[01:07] <gnomefreak> alberto: its safer
[01:07] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: don't start compiz with minimized windows
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: no, these are windows that i've minimised while in compiz
[01:07] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: i haven't seen that happen since 0.3.6
[01:08] <Amaranth> then again you're probably talking about KDE apps
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: no, i was running the tribe 2 ubuntu live cd
[01:08] <Hobbsee> seeing as compiz-kde doesnt exist much yet
[01:08] <Amaranth> interesting
[01:08] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: what do you mean?
[01:08] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: it doesnt work :)
[01:08] <Amaranth> what doesn't work?
[01:09] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: crashes during log in when you go to change to it you lose boarders still
[01:09] <Amaranth> you can't just complain, i need reproducible problems with lots of details, you know better :)
[01:09] <Amaranth> oh, that
[01:09] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: i have bug reports on all of them and mvo knows of them
[01:09] <Amaranth> that was a bug in expo fixed before tribe-2
[01:10] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: i can fix it with xorg.conf but i shouldnt have to if its gonna be default since xorg.conf is leaving anyway
[01:10] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: mvo doesn't know how compiz works ;)
[01:10] <Amaranth> what change to xorg.conf did you make
[01:10] <Amaranth> dude you're being annoying vague
[01:10] <gnomefreak> he seems to be working on it enough (unless hes just packaging)
[01:11] <alberto> update-manager seems to download something that will guide me around the upgrading prcess but then when download is finished, I can see any app :-)
[01:11] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: i havent i gave up on compiz due to another gnome-appearance issue
[01:11] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: i went through this for 2 days in devel and -bugs
[01:11] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: i give up on you
[01:11] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:11] <Amaranth> you are no longer allowed to complain
[01:12] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: im not
[01:12] <gnomefreak> i said it shouldnt be default until these items are fixed
[01:13] <alberto> what shouldnt be default?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> alberto: compiz
[01:19] <gnomefreak> it should be default but IMHO its too close to merge for a seemless upgrade. but thats opinion
[01:20] <gnomefreak> brb
[01:20] <Amaranth> too close to merge?
[01:21] <Amaranth> what merge?
[02:18] <mikkael> someone here using kubuntu gutsy ?
[02:19] <mikkael> if you have spare 2 mins: can you confirm this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-tweak/+bug/123036
[02:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123036 in kde-tweak "no menu entry or kcontrol module for tweak" [Undecided,New] 
[03:14] <ShackJack> Hi Gibbons!  I'm running GG with XGL/fglrx (woe is me!). I have XGL running but when I go to Appearance and check Desktop Effects, the decorations blink and I get a dialog simply saying "Desktop effects could not be enabled"... Starting appearance prefs from C/L indicates it might have a problem with texture_from_pixmap not being available... ANy suggestions?
[03:15] <ShackJack> (XGL/Compiz working on prior Feisty install)
[03:16] <Pici> Aha!
[03:16] <Pici> Hi xgl/fglrx buddy.
[03:17] <Pici> I too have the same issue, I kinda came up with a workaround.
[03:17] <ShackJack> Pici: Oooh I love workarounds - lets hear it :)
[03:17] <ShackJack> Workarounds, FTW!!!
[03:19] <Pici> I setup a script that runs when I login to gnome that contains the following line:
[03:19] <Pici> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa compiz.real --ignore-desktop-hints --sm-disable --replace ccp &
[03:19] <Pici> The compiz wrapper script doesnt appear to handle xgl too well.
[03:20] <ShackJack> Ahh... so make script and add to sessions - I remember having to do that with XGL in the past but it became no longer necessary...
[03:20] <ShackJack> Pici: Thank's a bunch - will try it out!
[03:22] <ShackJack> Pici: THat all on one line or newline where compiz.real... starts?
[03:22] <Pici> One line
[03:22] <ShackJack> Ah O.K. trying now...
[03:29] <ShackJack> Pici: Alas that did not work for me... Made script, put in /usr/bin, chmodded and added to Startup proggies. First attempt no deco, second metacity and same results on gnome-appearance...
[03:29] <Pici> hmm
[03:30] <ShackJack> Pici: I cut n' pasted what you sent... It still compains about texture_from_pixmap... Friggin' fglrx!!!
[03:31] <ShackJack> XGL definately seems to be running as it should, I can pastebin my XGL startup if it's helpful...
[03:31] <Pici> hmm
[03:32] <Pici> I'll upload my configs...
[03:33] <ShackJack> Pici: Which card you running (out of curiosity)?
[03:34] <ShackJack> Well, Gutsy is running really great otherwise at this early stage... no errors to report and upgrade to Fiesty was smooth - I reinstalled the ubuntu-desktop meta package before installing....
[03:37] <Pici> ShackJack: ATI x1400 (its a laptop)
[03:37] <Pici> http://nullcortex.com/code/compiz/
[03:38] <Pici> compiz2 is just something I was playing with, seeing if I could fix the wraper script
[03:38] <ShackJack> Pici: ATI X1400 - Me too!
[03:38] <Pici> :)
[03:38] <Pici> compiz2 might work, I cant remember if I fixed it or not properly
[03:39] <ShackJack> Pici: Yeah, it would be cool if us poor fglrx'ers weren't left out in the cold (either by adjust gutsy or fixing the fglrx driver to support AIGLX)
[03:39] <Pici> Everything works except for the Cube Reflect compiz plugin, I'm not sure whats wrong with that yet though.
[03:41] <ShackJack> Pici: My cube reflect is busted too, but on my Feisty/Nvidia desktop...
[03:41] <Pici> oh, good
[03:41] <ShackJack> Pici: (so you're not crazy ;))... Your startxgl is pretty much exactly like mine...
[03:42] <Pici> I'm just glad I found someone else who has the same problems as I
[03:42] <ShackJack> Pici: I did have a sleep 5 after the DISPLAY, but I guess you found you don't need that anymore?
[03:42] <Pici> ShackJack: I saw two examples that had the same code except for that, I didnt think taking it out would affect anything
[03:42] <Pici> and it didnt
[03:46] <ShackJack> Pici: I see you have two "Device" sections in your Xorg for the card?
[03:49] <Pici> ShackJack: I'm not sure why its like that.  The only thing I can think of is vga out.
[03:49] <Pici> I didnt want to play with it once it started working.
[03:54] <ShackJack> Pici: Now I'm guessing once you had the compiz script n place, you didn't actually have to go to desktop effects to start it...
[04:02] <Pici> ShackJack: Yeah, I havent touched that.
[04:36] <ShackJack> Pici: Hi - just reporting back, not having any luck starting my XGL/fglrx with Compiz... If anyone knows a way to start Compiz/XGL (I have XGL loading, it seems) with Gutsy, I would appreciate any guidance you can offer...
[04:48] <sayers> Hello, I am getting an error with xorg saying it can't find any screens.
[04:56] <lamalex> any reported issues with the installer on the tribe 2 cd?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> lamalex: yes.  mostly on the "known issues" page, which was a) on the release announcement, and b) on the links about what's new
[05:03] <lamalex> known issues page where? Did not see a link on the release announcement
[05:09] <Eruantalon> join #kernel
[05:10] <Hobbsee> lamalex: what was the issue?
[05:12] <lamalex> installer locks up when starting to format partition
[05:12] <slimz> hey guys when i open a terminal window on a newly install gutsy, it shows this ; http://pastebin.ca/595476
[05:13] <lamalex> I click the 'format' box or set a mount point of / which then checks the format box for me, and the gui crashes
[05:13] <lamalex> only way out is to xkil it
[05:14] <lamalex> i'm sure kill -9 in terminal would work to but youget the idea
[05:16] <Hobbsee> lamalex: interesting...i'd report that, and attach the relevant ubiquity logs
[05:16] <lamalex> will do, that's why I was checking first to see if you had heard anything
[05:18] <Hobbsee> we know about the manual partitioning being broken (partitioner takes forever to come up)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> was that with compiz or metacity?
[05:19] <lamalex> yah i just tried that
[05:19] <lamalex> er should say, am trying that
[05:19] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:21] <lamalex> appears to
[05:21] <lamalex> where does ubiquity keeps its logs, all I see is version
[05:26] <lamalex> hmm on second try it does not, at least not yet
[05:27] <Hobbsee> lamalex: does not what?  does not crash?
[05:27] <lamalex> does not crash when run as root
[05:28] <Hobbsee> you're running as root anyway
[05:29] <lamalex> when run with sudo
[05:29] <Hobbsee> lamalex: okay, can you file a bug about that, attach the logs as shown in https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645 and say that it's only reproducible with gksudo, not sudo?
[05:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [High,Confirmed] 
[05:30] <Dannilion> what's the current recommended way of getting the nvidia driver?
[05:30] <lamalex> thanks hobbsee :)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> lamalex: i think you'll find that if you run "gksudo ubiquity" you'll find it crashes again.  if you could try, and mention the results on the bug, that would be great
[05:31] <lamalex> yes, I tried that, thats when I said "appears to" but then I tried with sudo
[05:31] <lamalex> and I will file a detailed report, no worries
[05:32] <lamalex> I piped the installer output of both to a file so I'll look through for anything interesting
[05:44] <Hobbsee> lamalex: i *think* i'ts a bug in gksudo vs sudo - that's what that manual partiton hanging indefinetly came back to, on my system
[05:44] <lamalex> didn't they make some changes to sudo?
[05:45] <lamalex> I thought I read that they were making changes to sudo that could break gksudo
[06:02] <Hobbsee> no idea.  i dont run gnome
[06:06] <lamalex> gotcha
[06:11] <omha> lamalex, now sudo prints [sudo]  password for user:
[06:12] <lamalex> yeah
[06:12] <omha> it's nice
[06:12] <lamalex> but that didn't break gksudo before, i think they changed something else
[06:22] <masquerade> anyone had any trouble with gutsy wanting to randomly suspend on laptops in the past few days?
[06:23] <omha> nope
[06:23] <lamalex> nope
[07:49] <PriceChild> uuuu firefox 3 alpha is in universe... *downloads*
[07:50] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: yep
[07:50] <gnomefreak> it might be removed before release but its there during alphas
[07:50] <lamalex> <3bloat
[07:51] <PriceChild> *tries to see something new*
[07:51] <PriceChild> ah started old firefox by mistake then
[07:51] <gnomefreak> maybe have that uploaded monday
[07:51] <lamalex> very nic
[07:51] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: close firefox first
[07:51] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, hehe yeah
[07:51] <gnomefreak> :)
[07:51] <PriceChild> hmm still hasn't loaded....
[07:53] <PriceChild> it still looks like old firefox...
[07:53] <lamalex> is it supposed to look drastically different?
[07:53] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: does it say granparadiso on top?
[07:53] <gnomefreak> lamalex: no
[07:53] <PriceChild> right its definitely gran paradiso...
[07:53] <lamalex> I didn't think so, I was playing with it earlier today a little bit
[07:54] <PriceChild> I really, REALLY don't see anything new...
[07:54] <PriceChild> whatsoever...
[07:54] <lamalex> is it faster?
[07:54] <PriceChild> *mvs .firefox and restarts*
[07:55] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: its all engine related atm other than airbag but we didnt build for airbag
[07:55] <lamalex> gnomefreak: are you a mozilla dev as well as fedora?
[07:55] <PriceChild> airbag?
[07:55] <gnomefreak> lamalex: no im a ubuntu-mozilla devel atm
[07:55] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: mozillas crash reoprting tool
[07:55] <lamalex> rgr
[07:56] <PriceChild> ahh
[07:58] <gnomefreak> brb while i wait for FTB again
[08:00] <PriceChild> Why does it deserve a 2.0 -> 3.0 bump though...
[08:02] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: new engine
[08:02] <PriceChild> meh
[08:02] <gnomefreak> iirc its on 1.9 not 1.8.3
[08:02] <PriceChild> its not new though is it?
[08:03] <PriceChild> isn't it just a big improvement over old?
[08:04] <gnomefreak> they say it is i havent looked at it since 2.0 beta*
[08:12] <corevette> is compiz-fusion still called desktop effects?
[08:21] <lamalex> corevette: it is
[08:21] <lamalex> but the location moved
[08:21] <lamalex> it's inside appearence
[08:46] <r00tintheb0x> /me is too elite.
[09:56] <Praxx> guys. The latest release of gutsy is hanging once i try to partition the hd. i cannot find any bugs on it. How can i make sure this is not an isolated issue be4 filing a report
[09:57] <Dannilion> I read earlier today in here that others are having the same problem
[09:58] <Praxx> ok
[09:58] <Praxx> then how to I track this or report this
[09:58] <Praxx> i cant find much on launchpad
[09:58] <Dannilion> that bit I don't know :)
[10:16] <DanaG> I still don't get why S3 suspend suddenly stopped working with 2.6.22.
[10:19] <lucasvo> uhm in which folder are the gnome-panel settings stored?
[10:20] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with vnc?  I think I found a bug, but not sure... seems the new vncviewer can't allow vnc servers that run with RDP version 3.3 to connect to a vncviewer -listen which is expecting version 3.8
[10:24] <pwnguin> DanaG: maybe it overwrote some settings in the acpi-support config file without asking you?
[10:24] <DanaG> If I boot the Feisty kernel, suspend works.
[10:24] <DanaG> It also may be related to the "all TTYs are blank if I use vga=anything" bug.
[10:30] <bur[n] er> lucasvo: .gconf<something>  dig through and you'll find it... you sould also use gconf-editor
[10:31] <bur[n] er> DanaG: whew, I thought that vga thing was just me... stupid b00gers
[10:31] <Skiessi> where I can report broken things in gutsy?
[10:32] <pwnguin> launchpad would be a good place ;)
[10:47] <DanaG> How can I get gnome-screensaver to run things niced?
[10:52] <Skiessi> dunno...I think gnome-screensaver sucks because of it's missing the option to configure the screensavers :P
[10:55] <DanaG> Same here.
[10:56] <DanaG> Oh, and for some reason, my login doesn't start a window manager.
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> is CFS in the gutsy kernel (I never took a look yet as the box I have it on is having serious heat troubles with the gutsy kernel)
[10:58] <DanaG> cfs?
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> scheduler
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> (I remember seeing it was the first patch added as part of testing the new kernel build thing dunno whether it was subsequently dropped)
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> cpu scheduler (qualify it a bit)
[10:59] <DanaG> I don't see any cfs in /boot/config-2.6.22-7-generic
[10:59] <DanaG> grep -i CFS /boot/config-2.6.22-7-generic :  CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS=y  CONFIG_OCFS2_DEBUG_MASKLOG=y  CONFIG_OCFS2_FS=m  CONFIG_SND_VERBOSE_PROCFS=y
[10:59] <DanaG> nothing scheduler.
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> sched.c is where you will find it
[11:09] <DanaG> I don't have the Ubuntu sources installed.
[11:09] <DanaG> I'm currently compiling a custom kernel, for the sake of hopefully fixing suspend and/or consoles/
[11:09] <DanaG> .
[11:11] <siimo> anyone else having problem on HARD lockups about 4-5 mins into booting the Ape ?  seems X related
[11:30] <DanaG> Wow, somehow I managed to get the make-kpkg thingy to segfault.
[11:32] <hansin321> DanaG: I also get the blank screen on vga=XXX bug.  I like to unset the splash screen and set the vga/framebuffer value because I like that output better than the splash sceen.  Which brings up a point I have, the splash screen could use some aesthetic help, but as I don't have the skill I am not going to complain (I just think is look just so-so).
[11:33] <hansin321> But I imagine boot sequence is something that is always being worked on...
[11:34] <DanaG> Oddly, even without splash, vga= still causes blank terminals.
[11:34] <siimo> no lockips for you guys tho?
[11:34] <siimo> :[
[11:35] <hansin321> DanaG: I know.  That is how I do it.  I thought maybe they were getting rid of the output or something.  Maybe a framebuffer issue??
[11:37] <hansin321> siimo: I get some app crashes, but never yet fully locked up.  When I shutdown, the X server gives me some multi-colored weirdness before finally shuting down.
[11:37] <hansin321> Compiz issues are a big one, but I think that is already known...
[11:37] <siimo> me dont run compiz
[11:42] <hansin321> Well, big issue for me.  Sounds like you have other things going as well.  Alpha software, bound to happen.
[11:42] <DanaG> oopsie, hit a wrong key.
[11:45] <Netham45> anyone know an IM client that does webcams that works over Linux(Ubuntu) and Windows?
[11:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Netham45, amsn is an msn client that supposedly works well with the windows msn client in terms of video chat.
[11:57] <Netham45> !webcam
[11:57] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[12:02] <siimo> woot got my Fiber connection yesterday o_o
[12:07] <DanaG> What the heck? make-kpkg is segfaulting on me.
[12:07] <DanaG>   INSTALL sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko
[12:07] <DanaG> mkdir: `/usr/src/linux-2.6.22-rc6/debian/linux-image-2.6.22-rc6-ragnarok1/lib/modules/2.6.22-rc6-ragnarok1/kernel/sound/usb': Not a directory
[12:07] <DanaG> cp: accessing `/usr/src/linux-2.6.22-rc6/debian/linux-image-2.6.22-rc6-ragnarok1/lib/modules/2.6.22-rc6-ragnarok1/kernel/sound/usb': Not a directory
[12:07] <Tm_T> Kopete works too
[12:08] <DanaG> For some reason, the "sound" dir is empty!
[12:08] <DanaG> and because my scrollback is gone for some reason, I can't figure out why.
[12:09] <DanaG> [12:09] <DanaG> make: *** [stamp-arch-conf]  Error 1
[12:17] <Mod_Man> has anyone had a problem with the update that was released today