| omha | im getting this http://pastebin.ca/594400 | 12:30 |
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| omha | what is the reason for it? | 12:30 |
| gnomefreak | omha: ignore it | 12:32 |
| omha | it's crashing kiba-dock | 12:32 |
| omha | http://pastebin.ca/594403 | 12:33 |
| gnomefreak | omha: yes its crashing more than that, kiba-dock isnt supported so ther eisnt a thing you can do about it except rebuild it with fixing it | 12:33 |
| gnomefreak | omha: it happens on alot of things | 12:33 |
| omha | yea i been noticing that | 12:33 |
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| omha | but why? | 12:33 |
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| omha | compiled against a old version or something? | 12:34 |
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| ShackJack | HI all - am upgrading to Gutsy and was prompted about gnome/defaults.list config file.. Chose D to see differences, then Ctrl-Z to exit... How can I resume the upgrade, bg doesn't work - just gives [1] + sudo aptitude upgrade & (?) | 02:03 |
| RAOF | fg | 02:05 |
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| RAOF | (Should bring aptitude back into the foreground, where you'll be able to interact with it) | 02:05 |
| ShackJack | RAOF: Thanks - seems to work... | 02:06 |
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| ShackJack | Darn all those "foreign" fonts - wish they weren't part of the ubuntu-desktop meta package :( | 02:14 |
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| jimp | As of a few weeks ago gutsy didn't boot on the PS3. Anyone know if that's fixed in tribe 2? | 02:33 |
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| ToHellWithGA | lol jimp | 02:40 |
| ToHellWithGA | that's really cool, what processor does the PS3 use? | 02:40 |
| RAOF | Cell. Which is a (pretty slow) PowerPC processor + some coprocessors, essentially | 02:41 |
| RAOF | Which is why the PowerPC version of Ubuntu can run on it :) | 02:41 |
| jimp | 3.2ghz isn't too slow in my book, but maybe i'm old. | 02:41 |
| RAOF | jimp: Yeah, but it doesn't do much per cpu-cycle | 02:42 |
| RAOF | (It's entirely possible to make a 10GHz processor which performs much, much worse than a current 2.0 GHz Core 2) | 02:43 |
| RAOF | (one of) The reason(s) it can have such a high clockspeed is that it doesn't do a whole lot of stuff that regular CPUs do to speed up most code :) | 02:44 |
| jimp | The PPU does. The SPUs don't. | 02:44 |
| jimp | But anyway, whatever, I take it nobody knows the current state of ubuntu's ps3 port. I'll just give it a try. | 02:44 |
| RAOF | The PPU (which is the PowerPC chip) still doesn't have out-of-order execution, etc. It's much simpler than a conventional CPU. | 02:44 |
| RAOF | So stuff which is explicitly written for Cell can get trememndous performance, but stuff that isn't won't be able to use much of it's power :) | 02:45 |
| jimp | I'm writing code explicitly for cell, so that doesn't bother me. | 02:46 |
| RAOF | Indeed. It's tremendously fast if you can use it properly :) | 02:46 |
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| jimp | Nope, still busted. I wish my bug report about this hadn't just been closed, so people could actually know when it's fixed. | 03:02 |
| RAOF | Which bug report? | 03:03 |
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| jimp | bug #120295 | 03:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120295 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Gusty livecd fails to boot on PS3" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120295 | 03:04 |
| DanaG | odd: disabling 'nv' under restricted-modules does NOT disable nvidia-new. | 03:05 |
| wfarr | DanaG, aren't they completely different drivers? o_O | 03:06 |
| wfarr | I thought nv was the opensource Nvidia driver, and nvidia is the proprietary one | 03:06 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/105756 | 03:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 105756 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "DISABLED_MODULES="nv" doesn't stop nvidia_new.ko from loading" [Undecided,New] | 03:06 |
| === RAOF confirms that. | ||
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| DanaG | I actually edited restricted-manager myself. | 03:11 |
| DanaG | I did that even before I knew about that bug report. | 03:11 |
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| ShackJack | Hi Ubuntites -- I'm having difficulty getting XGL to run on Gutsy... XSession report, something like "(process:7027): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid." and says I must create a helper program. Could anyone offer a tip on how to start XGL on Gutsy? (can pastebin current session script if needed) | 03:29 |
| RAOF | That's a warning, not the error. | 03:29 |
| RAOF | wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager/Xgl still works. | 03:29 |
| ShackJack | RAOF: This is what I have, essentially (except I sleep 5 b4 staring dbus-launch)... (Method A) | 03:33 |
| RAOF | ShackJack: So, do you have the "dbus-x11" package installed? | 03:33 |
| === ShackJack checks... | ||
| ShackJack | No, doesn't seem to be... | 03:34 |
| RAOF | Install that, and it'll work. | 03:34 |
| ShackJack | K- great thanks --- didn't see any other DBUS errors... | 03:34 |
| ShackJack | RAOF: Just curious - is this a new package for Gutsy? | 03:35 |
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| Praxx | Guys does anyone know if " the gibbon" supports realtek high def audio codec? or would I have to wait for Gibbon+1 | 03:44 |
| ShackJack | Hi all - I managed to start up XGL in Gutsy, but when I try to enable Desktop Effects, returns error "failed to execute child process - gtk-window-decorator (no such file/directory)... Any thoughts on what package I might be missing (-f install, etc reveals no missing dependencies)? | 03:45 |
| Praxx | I have been waiting since Dapper and have not found help. Too poor to buy another laptop and too stubborn to move to xp again | 03:46 |
| RAOF | Praxx: Where's the bug report? | 03:47 |
| RAOF | ShackJack: Yes, it's new for Gutsy. dbus-launch was split out of the main dbus packages, and into dbus-x11 | 03:47 |
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| Praxx | RAOF, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/57065 | 03:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 57065 in Ubuntu "No sound with nVidia High Definition Audio card (dup-of: 117246)" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 03:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117246 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Not work Audio device: "nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)"" [Medium,Confirmed] | 03:52 |
| Praxx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/117246 | 03:53 |
| thully | hi - is anyone having problems suspending to RAM using g-p-m? In the latest gutsy, it doesn't work for me - though sudo pmi action sleep works | 03:54 |
| RAOF | Praxx: Hm, neither of those bugs seem particularly well filed. However, you might want to try Gutsy and see. | 03:55 |
| Praxx | RAOF, how does one make sure that the proper info is provided and the request is heard. There many threads filled with this issue and I wish I knew how to proceed | 03:56 |
| RAOF | Praxx: * | 03:56 |
| RAOF | Praxx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems is a good start. You'll want to be running Gutsy, too (at least a LiveCD) | 03:57 |
| RAOF | Also, threads on ubuntuforums really aren't very useful in fixing bugs. If it's not on Launchpad, it doesn't exist ;). | 03:58 |
| Praxx | :O | 03:58 |
| Praxx | ok. Fair enuff. Atleast now i know where to start | 03:58 |
| Praxx | thanks mate | 03:58 |
| RAOF | It's also probably an upstream bug in ALSA. | 03:58 |
| Praxx | does that make it more complicated? | 03:59 |
| Praxx | shud i file a bug with them too? | 03:59 |
| RAOF | No, but it means that you might also want to check out the ALSA bugtracker. | 03:59 |
| RAOF | The more work you do, the more likely the bug is to be fixed :) | 03:59 |
| Praxx | ok. If this is the price I have to pay for freedom... I am fine with it. | 04:00 |
| Praxx | thanks mate | 04:00 |
| Praxx | Gibbon is my friend now :D | 04:01 |
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| Praxx | one question: I know it is kinda late but if proper info i provided .. is there a remote change that someone might look into this before gibbon is released | 04:01 |
| Praxx | ? | 04:01 |
| RAOF | Oh, a pretty good one. | 04:02 |
| RAOF | But it's kinda dependent on you (or another tester) doing some of the work :) | 04:02 |
| Praxx | ooh | 04:02 |
| Praxx | well.. I will start with a bug report. then lets see. | 04:02 |
| Praxx | thanks mate | 04:02 |
| Praxx | salut! | 04:03 |
| RAOF | NP | 04:03 |
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| thully | I'm having problems with gnome-power-manager in Gutsy - if I try to suspend my MacBook nothing happens. Using the pmi command works fine. Anyone have any idea on what is wrong here? | 04:14 |
| RAOF | thully: Is there a bug filed on launchpad? You might want to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend | 04:16 |
| thully | OK - I'll check that. I do know that it's the userland software at fault, though - as I can suspend with pmi action sleep | 04:17 |
| RAOF | Hm. Well, maybe just check out the bugs on gnome-power-manager then. If there isn't one already, file one. | 04:20 |
| thully | OK - I guess I'll do that | 04:24 |
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| cables | The Tribe 2 link on ubuntu.com/testing isn't working, it's going to an admin.ubuntu.com site and asking for a password. | 04:47 |
| thully | cables: try cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-2 | 04:48 |
| cables | thully, thanks | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | cables: erk | 04:56 |
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| Hobbsee | cables: now, i'm sure i shouldnt SMS the person responsible yet, as its' 5am | 04:56 |
| cables | Hobbsee, it's weird, there was a similar problem w/ Tribe 1 | 04:57 |
| cables | or at least I remember there being one... | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | cables: yeah...just seen that. | 04:57 |
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| hansin321 | Has Tribe 2 been officially released? Thanks. | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | hansin321: yes | 05:17 |
| hansin321 | Hobbsee: Thanks, time to upgrade... | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | good luck! | 05:18 |
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| knix | So where are these ff3 packages? :P | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | in gutsy | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | firefox-granparadiso | 05:31 |
| knix | ah, I don't know how I missed that, haha | 05:32 |
| knix | thanks =) | 05:32 |
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| graft | hiya - whenever i try to run aumix it says: aumix: SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK | 06:31 |
| graft | and doesn't start | 06:31 |
| graft | any idea what's up? | 06:31 |
| === RAOF suggests that you might want to pastebin the full terminal output. That doesn't look like an error :) | ||
| graft | that's it | 06:33 |
| graft | it doesn't look like an error to me, either, but that's what i got | 06:34 |
| RAOF | Mmm, file a bug(tm)? | 06:34 |
| graft | yargh | 06:34 |
| graft | hrm... any particular reason there are localization files for aumix in 18 languages but not english? | 06:39 |
| RAOF | :) | 06:41 |
| graft | damnit... this bug is so annoying | 06:43 |
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| crackerbox | hey guys | 07:14 |
| crackerbox | i think i need words of wisdom from a pro... | 07:14 |
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| crackerbox | anyone familure with reconfiguring casper for use with a custom Live environment? | 07:15 |
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| siimo | hi any gutsy users here? | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | !ask | 07:43 |
| ubotu | Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) | 07:43 |
| siimo | i am running it and the Xorg seems to freeze randomly requring a hard reset with holding power button | 07:43 |
| siimo | any ideas about this? | 07:43 |
| crackerbox | anyone familure with reconfiguring casper for use with a custom Live environment? | 07:43 |
| siimo | tried both nv and nvidia drivers by the way | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | crackerbox: download the casper source and have a look | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | siimo: i wonder if it happens with the new xorg | 07:44 |
| siimo | Hobbsee: i am dist-upgraded from 18 hrs ago | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | not sure if the new xorg stuff is even loaded yet. the mesa stuff is | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | anything interesting in syslog, the usual logs? | 07:45 |
| siimo | no i am not mesa patched as i se those updates now | 07:46 |
| crackerbox | hobbsee: casper's hooks are where i could allow my custom LiveCD to automatically use the propriatary driver that i installed while i was chroot'ed into my squashFS? | 07:46 |
| Hobbsee | crackerbox: i'm not sure. i've only touched casper once | 07:47 |
| siimo | not that i can see Hobbsee | 07:47 |
| Hobbsee | siimo: weird. | 07:48 |
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| siimo | maybe my chipset has bugs in kernel 2.6.22 :| but i recompiled 2.6.21 and still same issue so it isnt kernel related | 07:48 |
| siimo | any suggestions dude | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | nope | 07:54 |
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| siimo | i guess just keep dist upgrading and looking for fix | 07:56 |
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| siimo | @ tride 2.. i thought i'd be more stable than random X lockups :P | 07:59 |
| Tm_T | isn't stable = boring | 08:00 |
| siimo | yeah but hard reset every 10 mins due to lockup = annoying | 08:01 |
| Hobbsee | siimo: do you have compiz enabled? | 08:02 |
| Hobbsee | these releases arent stable. they're snapshots | 08:02 |
| siimo | Hobbsee: no compiz just plain old XFCE envrionment | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 08:03 |
| siimo | im also getting this error upon chrooting into the ubuntu id: cannot find name for group ID 11 | 08:05 |
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| siimo__ | Hobbsee: i ran the test again.. its strange X stops after exactly 5 mins from reboot every time | 08:21 |
| Hobbsee | that's weird | 08:21 |
| siimo__ | Jun 29 18:17:01 Sempron /USR/SBIN/CRON[3105] : (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) | 08:21 |
| siimo__ | that was in my syslog when it died | 08:21 |
| Hobbsee | is there anything interesting running in cron? | 08:22 |
| siimo__ | only built in stuff by ubuntu i havent touched cron yet | 08:22 |
| siimo__ | i will try turning cron off | 08:23 |
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| DanaG | argh-ness: my terminals are blank when I use vga=anything -- still! | 08:54 |
| Hobbsee | erk. | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | found out why yet? | 08:55 |
| DanaG | nope. | 08:57 |
| DanaG | I think some time I'll try compiling a custom kernel and messing with the config. | 08:57 |
| DanaG | Is there an easy way to pull a kernel tree with all ubuntu patches already installed? | 08:57 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, another thing: suspend broke for me. Even if I stop gdm and unload nvidia, my system will freeze on resume. | 08:58 |
| cyphase | what does everyone think about including an option to install the GtkGLExt Python bindings from within the Chess program? maybe only if you're an administrator | 09:00 |
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| DanaG | Well, at the very least, it should give a package name. | 09:05 |
| DanaG | I am pretty savvy, yet I still didn't know what to look for. | 09:05 |
| DanaG | libgtkgl-python? | 09:06 |
| DanaG | It turned out to be python-something-or-other -- python is in front. | 09:06 |
| DanaG | Argh, how can I build iwlwifi? | 09:07 |
| DanaG | Linux-headers doesn't have everything iwlwifi needs -- but I really don't want to have to install the full source. | 09:08 |
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| cyphase | isn't rhythmbox supposed to auto-install codecs like totem does? | 09:15 |
| DanaG | I think I'll just end up trying my own kernel some time. | 09:16 |
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| Hobbsee | cyphase: grab ubuntu-restricted-extras | 09:17 |
| cyphase | Hobbsee: i already have all my codecs installed.. | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | no idea | 09:18 |
| cyphase | Hobbsee: i'm just playing with tribe 2, and i thought that even in feisty, rhythmbox was supposed to be able to auto-install codecs like totem | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | ahh. no idea, i dotn run gnome | 09:20 |
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| dufrp | just installed kubuntu gutsy (32 bits), using pppoeconf, Internet seems to work fine, but konqueror always report 'Could not connect to host ...', known issue? | 09:27 |
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| dufrp | well, just installed firefox and it works, should be able to find answer myself now | 09:31 |
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| kjw75 | is gutsy fairly stable or is it just a mess to run? | 09:32 |
| cyphase | ehh.. fairly stable | 09:33 |
| cyphase | for an early alpha release | 09:33 |
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| Hobbsee | kjw75: dont run it on production machiens, and we're about to go thru another X transition | 09:33 |
| T-Connect | Anyone having a problem with NTFS? | 09:33 |
| kjw75 | ok, I can't get my wireless laptop card to work in feisty, but read a post that said the gutsy kernel works with it, so am wondering whether I should nuke feisty and go for gutsy | 09:34 |
| kjw75 | what you mean by X transition? | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | kjw75: other things break. including network manager | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | kjw75: newer version of X and libs. | 09:34 |
| T-Connect | nfts-3g version 1:1.328-1 seem screwup here. I download it from Synaptic Package Manager. It won't let me unmount | 09:35 |
| kjw75 | ok, any way to use the gutsy kernel with feisty, I read that someone got their wireless working by backporting the gutsy kernel to feisty, but I'm not really sure what that means | 09:35 |
| T-Connect | I get a message with red dot. | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | T-Connect: i suggest you contact the makers of ntfs-3g | 09:36 |
| T-Connect | So yu know about that problem? | 09:37 |
| Hobbsee | no | 09:37 |
| Hobbsee | i dont use ntfs-3g | 09:37 |
| T-Connect | Ok | 09:37 |
| T-Connect | Anything cool on Gutsy? | 09:38 |
| kjw75 | any ideas on my last question, I'm starting to fall asleep here, so if not, I will go to bed :) | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | compiz stuff, etc. | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | kjw75: you dont want to do it. | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | kjw75: you have to recompile the kernel for feisty, etc | 09:40 |
| kjw75 | ok, thanks :) | 09:40 |
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| kjw75 | well g'night all and thanks for the help! | 09:41 |
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| b9 | hi all. Just a quick question - what is the cleanest way to upgrade to gutsy from fesity? (without re-installing from cd that is...) | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | dist upgrade... | 10:57 |
| b9 | just changes my sources to gutsy and thenupgrade? | 10:58 |
| Hobbsee | ys | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | *yes | 10:59 |
| b9 | cheers | 10:59 |
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| siimo | Hi i install Tribe2 and around about ~5 mins into starting it up the X session just locks up really bad and needs to be rebooted | 11:27 |
| siimo | any ideas for fixing? | 11:27 |
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| sky_walkie | hi there , any experience with ubuntu gutsy + vmware ? I can't even boot to GUI to start the installation, any way how to disable compiz adding some boot aprms ?? | 12:24 |
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| napsy_ | Will gutsy have x.org 7.3? | 12:48 |
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| alberto | hi | 12:53 |
| gnomefreak | napsy_: yes | 12:53 |
| alberto | if I want to upgrade to feisty | 12:53 |
| napsy_ | ok | 12:53 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: feisty support is in #ubuntu | 12:54 |
| alberto | changing feisty with gutsy in /etc/apt/sources-lit and dist-upgrade | 12:54 |
| alberto | is enought? | 12:54 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 12:54 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: you really should wait | 12:54 |
| alberto | wait why? | 12:54 |
| Amaranth | gksudo 'update-manager -c -d' | 12:54 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: why becasue its no where near stable | 12:54 |
| alberto | I did update-manager d and it only upgrade my feisty system | 12:54 |
| alberto | gnomefreak: I dont care, I am debian user since potato, and using sid for years | 12:55 |
| alberto | gnomefreak: I dont care about stable or not | 12:55 |
| alberto | hehe | 12:55 |
| alberto | I would like to take a look to gutsy just that | 12:55 |
| crdlb | gutsy is really nothing like sid | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | sid == always unstable gutsy == will be stable in 4 months | 12:56 |
| alberto | I now, so what? | 12:56 |
| alberto | I want to report bugs | 12:56 |
| alberto | and use gutsy | 12:56 |
| alberto | why you are trying me to stop that? | 12:57 |
| alberto | I dont understand | 12:57 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: read the topic | 12:57 |
| alberto | I told you, I were using sid for years | 12:58 |
| alberto | so, dont you think I am familiarized with dpkg? | 12:58 |
| alberto | xD | 12:58 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: see your question above to answer that question but please feel free to upgrade all you want, but let it be known alot of users cant boot to gutsy | 12:59 |
| alberto | cant boot? | 12:59 |
| alberto | thats absurd | 12:59 |
| alberto | xD | 12:59 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: no its not since there are kernel issues | 01:00 |
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| gnomefreak | alberto: i think IMHO you need to stick with stable since you think that it will always boot and that its aburd that people cant | 01:00 |
| alberto | gnomefreak: are you using gutsy? | 01:00 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: yes i have to | 01:01 |
| alberto | Let me try | 01:01 |
| alberto | ok, and I WANT TO | 01:01 |
| alberto | ok? | 01:01 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: i said do as you wish | 01:01 |
| gnomefreak | i was warning you | 01:01 |
| alberto | :-) | 01:01 |
| alberto | dont care for me | 01:01 |
| alberto | indeed if there are problems, I can help | 01:01 |
| alberto | what about reporting bugs and helping to the dev community? | 01:02 |
| alberto | I am really getting surprised about what you wrote | 01:02 |
| alberto | dont you want people to help? ... | 01:02 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: its not ready for testing outside of devel. but do as you wish | 01:03 |
| gnomefreak | beta == ready for wider testing | 01:03 |
| alberto | well, I told I was using sid for YEARS | 01:03 |
| alberto | what is the problem? | 01:03 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: btw you know dpkg you should know how to upgrade. again sid is nothing like gutsy sid is stable compared to gutsy | 01:03 |
| alberto | in sid I found dependencies problems for years, and I fixed it by my own, and helped debian people | 01:04 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: but go ahead upgrade using command Amaranth gave you | 01:04 |
| alberto | I just wanted to do the same here | 01:04 |
| alberto | sid is not testint | 01:04 |
| alberto | is UNSTABLE | 01:04 |
| alberto | indeed I used experimental too | 01:04 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: i didnt say sid was testing | 01:04 |
| alberto | man.. I only want to help you | 01:04 |
| alberto | so stop advertising me | 01:05 |
| alberto | I know what kind of problems I'll find | 01:05 |
| Amaranth | hehe, yeah | 01:06 |
| gnomefreak | Amaranth: ;) we know | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: it doesnt run too badly, if hte user is actually going to file bugs | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | excluding compiz, maybe | 01:06 |
| alberto | yes, I used to change /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade just | 01:06 |
| Amaranth | Hobbsee: hey! | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Amaranth | 01:06 |
| Amaranth | compiz is fine :) | 01:06 |
| === Hobbsee hugs KDE | ||
| alberto | what is the different with the upgrade manager? | 01:07 |
| Hobbsee | except when it hides my windows, and i can never find how ot get them back. | 01:07 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: you didnt read what Amaranth gave you | 01:07 |
| alberto | yes, I did | 01:07 |
| gnomefreak | alberto: its safer | 01:07 |
| Amaranth | Hobbsee: don't start compiz with minimized windows | 01:07 |
| === gnomefreak all kinds of pissed at compiz ty | ||
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: no, these are windows that i've minimised while in compiz | 01:07 |
| Amaranth | Hobbsee: i haven't seen that happen since 0.3.6 | 01:07 |
| Amaranth | then again you're probably talking about KDE apps | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: no, i was running the tribe 2 ubuntu live cd | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as compiz-kde doesnt exist much yet | 01:08 |
| Amaranth | interesting | 01:08 |
| === gnomefreak really thinks we should have waited for Xorg to be in place and done before setting compiz as default | ||
| Amaranth | gnomefreak: what do you mean? | 01:08 |
| gnomefreak | Amaranth: it doesnt work :) | 01:08 |
| Amaranth | what doesn't work? | 01:08 |
| gnomefreak | Amaranth: crashes during log in when you go to change to it you lose boarders still | 01:09 |
| Amaranth | you can't just complain, i need reproducible problems with lots of details, you know better :) | 01:09 |
| Amaranth | oh, that | 01:09 |
| gnomefreak | Amaranth: i have bug reports on all of them and mvo knows of them | 01:09 |
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| Amaranth | that was a bug in expo fixed before tribe-2 | 01:09 |
| gnomefreak | Amaranth: i can fix it with xorg.conf but i shouldnt have to if its gonna be default since xorg.conf is leaving anyway | 01:10 |
| Amaranth | gnomefreak: mvo doesn't know how compiz works ;) | 01:10 |
| Amaranth | what change to xorg.conf did you make | 01:10 |
| Amaranth | dude you're being annoying vague | 01:10 |
| gnomefreak | he seems to be working on it enough (unless hes just packaging) | 01:10 |
| alberto | update-manager seems to download something that will guide me around the upgrading prcess but then when download is finished, I can see any app :-) | 01:11 |
| gnomefreak | Amaranth: i havent i gave up on compiz due to another gnome-appearance issue | 01:11 |
| gnomefreak | Amaranth: i went through this for 2 days in devel and -bugs | 01:11 |
| Amaranth | gnomefreak: i give up on you | 01:11 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 01:11 |
| Amaranth | you are no longer allowed to complain | 01:11 |
| gnomefreak | Amaranth: im not | 01:12 |
| gnomefreak | i said it shouldnt be default until these items are fixed | 01:12 |
| alberto | what shouldnt be default? | 01:13 |
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| Hobbsee | alberto: compiz | 01:14 |
| gnomefreak | it should be default but IMHO its too close to merge for a seemless upgrade. but thats opinion | 01:19 |
| gnomefreak | brb | 01:20 |
| Amaranth | too close to merge? | 01:20 |
| Amaranth | what merge? | 01:21 |
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| mikkael | someone here using kubuntu gutsy ? | 02:18 |
| === Hobbsee nods | ||
| mikkael | if you have spare 2 mins: can you confirm this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-tweak/+bug/123036 | 02:19 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 123036 in kde-tweak "no menu entry or kcontrol module for tweak" [Undecided,New] | 02:19 |
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| ShackJack | Hi Gibbons! I'm running GG with XGL/fglrx (woe is me!). I have XGL running but when I go to Appearance and check Desktop Effects, the decorations blink and I get a dialog simply saying "Desktop effects could not be enabled"... Starting appearance prefs from C/L indicates it might have a problem with texture_from_pixmap not being available... ANy suggestions? | 03:14 |
| ShackJack | (XGL/Compiz working on prior Feisty install) | 03:15 |
| Pici | Aha! | 03:16 |
| Pici | Hi xgl/fglrx buddy. | 03:16 |
| Pici | I too have the same issue, I kinda came up with a workaround. | 03:17 |
| ShackJack | Pici: Oooh I love workarounds - lets hear it :) | 03:17 |
| ShackJack | Workarounds, FTW!!! | 03:17 |
| Pici | I setup a script that runs when I login to gnome that contains the following line: | 03:19 |
| Pici | LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa compiz.real --ignore-desktop-hints --sm-disable --replace ccp & | 03:19 |
| Pici | The compiz wrapper script doesnt appear to handle xgl too well. | 03:19 |
| ShackJack | Ahh... so make script and add to sessions - I remember having to do that with XGL in the past but it became no longer necessary... | 03:20 |
| ShackJack | Pici: Thank's a bunch - will try it out! | 03:20 |
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| ShackJack | Pici: THat all on one line or newline where compiz.real... starts? | 03:22 |
| Pici | One line | 03:22 |
| ShackJack | Ah O.K. trying now... | 03:22 |
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| ShackJack | Pici: Alas that did not work for me... Made script, put in /usr/bin, chmodded and added to Startup proggies. First attempt no deco, second metacity and same results on gnome-appearance... | 03:29 |
| Pici | hmm | 03:29 |
| ShackJack | Pici: I cut n' pasted what you sent... It still compains about texture_from_pixmap... Friggin' fglrx!!! | 03:30 |
| ShackJack | XGL definately seems to be running as it should, I can pastebin my XGL startup if it's helpful... | 03:31 |
| Pici | hmm | 03:31 |
| Pici | I'll upload my configs... | 03:32 |
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| ShackJack | Pici: Which card you running (out of curiosity)? | 03:33 |
| ShackJack | Well, Gutsy is running really great otherwise at this early stage... no errors to report and upgrade to Fiesty was smooth - I reinstalled the ubuntu-desktop meta package before installing.... | 03:34 |
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| Pici | ShackJack: ATI x1400 (its a laptop) | 03:37 |
| Pici | http://nullcortex.com/code/compiz/ | 03:37 |
| Pici | compiz2 is just something I was playing with, seeing if I could fix the wraper script | 03:38 |
| ShackJack | Pici: ATI X1400 - Me too! | 03:38 |
| Pici | :) | 03:38 |
| Pici | compiz2 might work, I cant remember if I fixed it or not properly | 03:38 |
| ShackJack | Pici: Yeah, it would be cool if us poor fglrx'ers weren't left out in the cold (either by adjust gutsy or fixing the fglrx driver to support AIGLX) | 03:39 |
| Pici | Everything works except for the Cube Reflect compiz plugin, I'm not sure whats wrong with that yet though. | 03:39 |
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| ShackJack | Pici: My cube reflect is busted too, but on my Feisty/Nvidia desktop... | 03:41 |
| Pici | oh, good | 03:41 |
| ShackJack | Pici: (so you're not crazy ;))... Your startxgl is pretty much exactly like mine... | 03:41 |
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| Pici | I'm just glad I found someone else who has the same problems as I | 03:42 |
| ShackJack | Pici: I did have a sleep 5 after the DISPLAY, but I guess you found you don't need that anymore? | 03:42 |
| Pici | ShackJack: I saw two examples that had the same code except for that, I didnt think taking it out would affect anything | 03:42 |
| Pici | and it didnt | 03:42 |
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| ShackJack | Pici: I see you have two "Device" sections in your Xorg for the card? | 03:46 |
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| Pici | ShackJack: I'm not sure why its like that. The only thing I can think of is vga out. | 03:49 |
| Pici | I didnt want to play with it once it started working. | 03:49 |
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| ShackJack | Pici: Now I'm guessing once you had the compiz script n place, you didn't actually have to go to desktop effects to start it... | 03:54 |
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| Pici | ShackJack: Yeah, I havent touched that. | 04:02 |
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| ShackJack | Pici: Hi - just reporting back, not having any luck starting my XGL/fglrx with Compiz... If anyone knows a way to start Compiz/XGL (I have XGL loading, it seems) with Gutsy, I would appreciate any guidance you can offer... | 04:36 |
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| sayers | Hello, I am getting an error with xorg saying it can't find any screens. | 04:48 |
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| lamalex | any reported issues with the installer on the tribe 2 cd? | 04:56 |
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| Hobbsee | lamalex: yes. mostly on the "known issues" page, which was a) on the release announcement, and b) on the links about what's new | 04:58 |
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| lamalex | known issues page where? Did not see a link on the release announcement | 05:03 |
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| Hobbsee | lamalex: what was the issue? | 05:10 |
| lamalex | installer locks up when starting to format partition | 05:12 |
| slimz | hey guys when i open a terminal window on a newly install gutsy, it shows this ; http://pastebin.ca/595476 | 05:12 |
| lamalex | I click the 'format' box or set a mount point of / which then checks the format box for me, and the gui crashes | 05:13 |
| lamalex | only way out is to xkil it | 05:13 |
| lamalex | i'm sure kill -9 in terminal would work to but youget the idea | 05:14 |
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| Hobbsee | lamalex: interesting...i'd report that, and attach the relevant ubiquity logs | 05:16 |
| lamalex | will do, that's why I was checking first to see if you had heard anything | 05:16 |
| Hobbsee | we know about the manual partitioning being broken (partitioner takes forever to come up) | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | was that with compiz or metacity? | 05:18 |
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| lamalex | yah i just tried that | 05:19 |
| lamalex | er should say, am trying that | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:19 |
| lamalex | appears to | 05:21 |
| lamalex | where does ubiquity keeps its logs, all I see is version | 05:21 |
| lamalex | hmm on second try it does not, at least not yet | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | lamalex: does not what? does not crash? | 05:27 |
| lamalex | does not crash when run as root | 05:27 |
| Hobbsee | you're running as root anyway | 05:28 |
| lamalex | when run with sudo | 05:29 |
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| Hobbsee | lamalex: okay, can you file a bug about that, attach the logs as shown in https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645 and say that it's only reproducible with gksudo, not sudo? | 05:29 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [High,Confirmed] | 05:29 |
| Dannilion | what's the current recommended way of getting the nvidia driver? | 05:30 |
| lamalex | thanks hobbsee :) | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | lamalex: i think you'll find that if you run "gksudo ubiquity" you'll find it crashes again. if you could try, and mention the results on the bug, that would be great | 05:31 |
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| lamalex | yes, I tried that, thats when I said "appears to" but then I tried with sudo | 05:31 |
| lamalex | and I will file a detailed report, no worries | 05:31 |
| lamalex | I piped the installer output of both to a file so I'll look through for anything interesting | 05:32 |
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| Hobbsee | lamalex: i *think* i'ts a bug in gksudo vs sudo - that's what that manual partiton hanging indefinetly came back to, on my system | 05:44 |
| === Hobbsee was testing it earlier | ||
| lamalex | didn't they make some changes to sudo? | 05:44 |
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| lamalex | I thought I read that they were making changes to sudo that could break gksudo | 05:45 |
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| Hobbsee | no idea. i dont run gnome | 06:02 |
| lamalex | gotcha | 06:06 |
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| omha | lamalex, now sudo prints [sudo] password for user: | 06:11 |
| lamalex | yeah | 06:12 |
| omha | it's nice | 06:12 |
| lamalex | but that didn't break gksudo before, i think they changed something else | 06:12 |
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| masquerade | anyone had any trouble with gutsy wanting to randomly suspend on laptops in the past few days? | 06:22 |
| omha | nope | 06:23 |
| lamalex | nope | 06:23 |
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| PriceChild | uuuu firefox 3 alpha is in universe... *downloads* | 07:49 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: yep | 07:50 |
| gnomefreak | it might be removed before release but its there during alphas | 07:50 |
| lamalex | <3bloat | 07:50 |
| PriceChild | *tries to see something new* | 07:51 |
| === gnomefreak trying to get past the sunbird crap atm | ||
| PriceChild | ah started old firefox by mistake then | 07:51 |
| gnomefreak | maybe have that uploaded monday | 07:51 |
| lamalex | very nic | 07:51 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: close firefox first | 07:51 |
| PriceChild | gnomefreak, hehe yeah | 07:51 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 07:51 |
| PriceChild | hmm still hasn't loaded.... | 07:51 |
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| PriceChild | it still looks like old firefox... | 07:53 |
| lamalex | is it supposed to look drastically different? | 07:53 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: does it say granparadiso on top? | 07:53 |
| gnomefreak | lamalex: no | 07:53 |
| PriceChild | right its definitely gran paradiso... | 07:53 |
| lamalex | I didn't think so, I was playing with it earlier today a little bit | 07:53 |
| PriceChild | I really, REALLY don't see anything new... | 07:54 |
| PriceChild | whatsoever... | 07:54 |
| lamalex | is it faster? | 07:54 |
| PriceChild | *mvs .firefox and restarts* | 07:54 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: its all engine related atm other than airbag but we didnt build for airbag | 07:55 |
| lamalex | gnomefreak: are you a mozilla dev as well as fedora? | 07:55 |
| PriceChild | airbag? | 07:55 |
| gnomefreak | lamalex: no im a ubuntu-mozilla devel atm | 07:55 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: mozillas crash reoprting tool | 07:55 |
| lamalex | rgr | 07:55 |
| PriceChild | ahh | 07:56 |
| === gnomefreak needs to find something other than sunbird to work on :( | ||
| gnomefreak | brb while i wait for FTB again | 07:58 |
| PriceChild | Why does it deserve a 2.0 -> 3.0 bump though... | 08:00 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: new engine | 08:02 |
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| PriceChild | meh | 08:02 |
| gnomefreak | iirc its on 1.9 not 1.8.3 | 08:02 |
| PriceChild | its not new though is it? | 08:02 |
| PriceChild | isn't it just a big improvement over old? | 08:03 |
| gnomefreak | they say it is i havent looked at it since 2.0 beta* | 08:04 |
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| corevette | is compiz-fusion still called desktop effects? | 08:12 |
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| lamalex | corevette: it is | 08:21 |
| lamalex | but the location moved | 08:21 |
| lamalex | it's inside appearence | 08:21 |
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| r00tintheb0x | /me is too elite. | 08:46 |
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| Praxx | guys. The latest release of gutsy is hanging once i try to partition the hd. i cannot find any bugs on it. How can i make sure this is not an isolated issue be4 filing a report | 09:56 |
| Dannilion | I read earlier today in here that others are having the same problem | 09:57 |
| Praxx | ok | 09:58 |
| Praxx | then how to I track this or report this | 09:58 |
| Praxx | i cant find much on launchpad | 09:58 |
| Dannilion | that bit I don't know :) | 09:58 |
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| DanaG | I still don't get why S3 suspend suddenly stopped working with 2.6.22. | 10:16 |
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| lucasvo | uhm in which folder are the gnome-panel settings stored? | 10:19 |
| bur[n] er | anyone familiar with vnc? I think I found a bug, but not sure... seems the new vncviewer can't allow vnc servers that run with RDP version 3.3 to connect to a vncviewer -listen which is expecting version 3.8 | 10:20 |
| pwnguin | DanaG: maybe it overwrote some settings in the acpi-support config file without asking you? | 10:24 |
| DanaG | If I boot the Feisty kernel, suspend works. | 10:24 |
| DanaG | It also may be related to the "all TTYs are blank if I use vga=anything" bug. | 10:24 |
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| bur[n] er | lucasvo: .gconf<something> dig through and you'll find it... you sould also use gconf-editor | 10:30 |
| bur[n] er | DanaG: whew, I thought that vga thing was just me... stupid b00gers | 10:31 |
| Skiessi | where I can report broken things in gutsy? | 10:31 |
| pwnguin | launchpad would be a good place ;) | 10:32 |
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| DanaG | How can I get gnome-screensaver to run things niced? | 10:47 |
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| Skiessi | dunno...I think gnome-screensaver sucks because of it's missing the option to configure the screensavers :P | 10:52 |
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| DanaG | Same here. | 10:55 |
| DanaG | Oh, and for some reason, my login doesn't start a window manager. | 10:56 |
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| h3sp4wn | is CFS in the gutsy kernel (I never took a look yet as the box I have it on is having serious heat troubles with the gutsy kernel) | 10:56 |
| DanaG | cfs? | 10:58 |
| h3sp4wn | scheduler | 10:58 |
| h3sp4wn | (I remember seeing it was the first patch added as part of testing the new kernel build thing dunno whether it was subsequently dropped) | 10:58 |
| h3sp4wn | cpu scheduler (qualify it a bit) | 10:59 |
| DanaG | I don't see any cfs in /boot/config-2.6.22-7-generic | 10:59 |
| DanaG | grep -i CFS /boot/config-2.6.22-7-generic : CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS=y CONFIG_OCFS2_DEBUG_MASKLOG=y CONFIG_OCFS2_FS=m CONFIG_SND_VERBOSE_PROCFS=y | 10:59 |
| DanaG | nothing scheduler. | 10:59 |
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| h3sp4wn | sched.c is where you will find it | 11:03 |
| DanaG | I don't have the Ubuntu sources installed. | 11:09 |
| DanaG | I'm currently compiling a custom kernel, for the sake of hopefully fixing suspend and/or consoles/ | 11:09 |
| DanaG | . | 11:09 |
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| siimo | anyone else having problem on HARD lockups about 4-5 mins into booting the Ape ? seems X related | 11:11 |
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| DanaG | Wow, somehow I managed to get the make-kpkg thingy to segfault. | 11:30 |
| hansin321 | DanaG: I also get the blank screen on vga=XXX bug. I like to unset the splash screen and set the vga/framebuffer value because I like that output better than the splash sceen. Which brings up a point I have, the splash screen could use some aesthetic help, but as I don't have the skill I am not going to complain (I just think is look just so-so). | 11:32 |
| hansin321 | But I imagine boot sequence is something that is always being worked on... | 11:33 |
| DanaG | Oddly, even without splash, vga= still causes blank terminals. | 11:34 |
| siimo | no lockips for you guys tho? | 11:34 |
| siimo | :[ | 11:34 |
| hansin321 | DanaG: I know. That is how I do it. I thought maybe they were getting rid of the output or something. Maybe a framebuffer issue?? | 11:35 |
| hansin321 | siimo: I get some app crashes, but never yet fully locked up. When I shutdown, the X server gives me some multi-colored weirdness before finally shuting down. | 11:37 |
| hansin321 | Compiz issues are a big one, but I think that is already known... | 11:37 |
| siimo | me dont run compiz | 11:37 |
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| hansin321 | Well, big issue for me. Sounds like you have other things going as well. Alpha software, bound to happen. | 11:42 |
| DanaG | oopsie, hit a wrong key. | 11:42 |
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| Netham45 | anyone know an IM client that does webcams that works over Linux(Ubuntu) and Windows? | 11:45 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Netham45, amsn is an msn client that supposedly works well with the windows msn client in terms of video chat. | 11:48 |
| Netham45 | !webcam | 11:57 |
| ubotu | Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras | 11:57 |
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| siimo | woot got my Fiber connection yesterday o_o | 12:02 |
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| DanaG | What the heck? make-kpkg is segfaulting on me. | 12:07 |
| DanaG | INSTALL sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko | 12:07 |
| DanaG | mkdir: `/usr/src/linux-2.6.22-rc6/debian/linux-image-2.6.22-rc6-ragnarok1/lib/modules/2.6.22-rc6-ragnarok1/kernel/sound/usb': Not a directory | 12:07 |
| DanaG | cp: accessing `/usr/src/linux-2.6.22-rc6/debian/linux-image-2.6.22-rc6-ragnarok1/lib/modules/2.6.22-rc6-ragnarok1/kernel/sound/usb': Not a directory | 12:07 |
| Tm_T | Kopete works too | 12:07 |
| DanaG | For some reason, the "sound" dir is empty! | 12:08 |
| DanaG | and because my scrollback is gone for some reason, I can't figure out why. | 12:08 |
| DanaG | ====== making stamp-arch-conf because of ====== | 12:09 |
| DanaG | make: *** [stamp-arch-conf] Error 1 | 12:09 |
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| Mod_Man | has anyone had a problem with the update that was released today | 12:17 |
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