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Admiral_Chicago_hey there j1mc02:13
j1mcheya, Admiral_Chicago_02:16
jjesseevening02:16
j1mchi jjesse02:16
jjessehiya j1mc02:16
j1mca lot of people in this channel saying hello this evening.  :)02:16
jjesse:)02:16
j1mcjjesse: fijam asked a bunch of questions on the channel earlier today... i'm not sure if he got a response.  did you see those questions, and if he got a response?02:17
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jjessehmm didn't see the questions02:19
j1mcnp... i think he was going to ask on the ml02:19
jjesseare you in chicago as well j1mc?02:20
jjessenixternal and Admiral_Chicago_ looks like i might be comming back to chicago for a week in july we sould get together again02:20
Admiral_Chicago_jjesse: definetly02:23
Admiral_Chicago_jjesse: j1mc is in chicago as well. he is sitting next to me now02:23
jjesseawesome, i'll let the two of you know when exactly so we can do another meet up again02:23
Admiral_Chicago_awesome02:24
jjessemy boss didn't even question the "company" dinner we had together :)02:24
Admiral_Chicago_we are hacking on docs: perhaps you can answer a question02:24
jjessei can sure try02:24
Admiral_Chicago_let me pastebin it02:24
Admiral_Chicago_http://pastebin.ca/59458102:25
Admiral_Chicago_so i'm looking for the proper way to refrence the terminal in the docs02:25
j1mcjjesse: cool.  it would be good to meet you.02:25
Admiral_Chicago_wouldn't it be Applications  >> accessories >> terminal02:25
jjessej1mc: yeah it will be nice02:25
Admiral_Chicago_it seems lke there are two ways to refence the terminal in docbook, not sure which  way to do it02:26
Admiral_Chicago_nixternal: feel free to answer that question02:26
jjesseis it referenced both ways in our documents?02:26
Admiral_Chicago_not sure, I haven't looked at all the docs02:26
Admiral_Chicago_i've seen it both ways in teh kubuntu docs02:26
jjessehmm then we should standarize and file bugs to get it solved02:28
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jjessewow saw an article the 1st year of an iPhone will run you $193602:28
Admiral_Chicago_dang.02:28
jjessei think it should be Applications >> Asscesories >> Terminal02:29
jjessethat includes data and voice plans02:29
Admiral_Chicago_i seem to remember there being discussion in doc ML02:29
jjessei thought so too, try the gmane archives?02:29
Admiral_Chicago_looking now02:29
jjesseis Rich still in class?02:30
Admiral_Chicago_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-May/008493.html02:30
Admiral_Chicago_not sure02:30
greg_gSo, I just had to uninstall the kubuntu-desktop meta package along with everything else.  The first link from google when searching for "uninstall kubuntu-desktop" is this: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Uninstall_kubuntu-desktop02:30
greg_gI added my information there for Fiesty, but was wondering if you wanted to use it for the ubuntu wiki02:31
jjesseAdmiral_Chicago_: i acutally prefer the 2nd choice02:31
Admiral_Chicago_as do i, makes it easier to visualize the navigation02:31
jjessebut mdke_ has the final answer because of the entity it is defined02:32
jjessedo you have an xubuntu-menus-C.ent?02:32
Admiral_Chicago_uh thats a good question02:32
jjesseor are you using the gnome-menus-C.ent02:32
Admiral_Chicago_i don't know what that is02:32
jjesseif you read: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-May/008501.html02:33
Admiral_Chicago_how can I check.02:33
jjesseyou see that the gnome-menus-C.ent lists entities for gnome02:33
Admiral_Chicago_ah okay02:33
Admiral_Chicago_let me navigate the docs for a sec02:33
jjesseok in /trunk/xubuntu/libs there is a xubuntu.ent, and there is also the gnome-munus-C.ent02:34
jjesseso now you can reference whatever is in any of those as long as your xml includes those files02:34
jjesselooks like in xubuntu.ent there is an entity for for terminal already02:35
jjesse<!ENTITY terminal '<menuchoice><guimenu>Applications</guimenu><guimenuitem>System</guimenuitem><guimenuitem>Terminal</guimenuitem></menuchoice>'>02:35
Admiral_Chicago_i'm in /libs but don't see the xubuntu.ent02:36
Admiral_Chicago_ah i see it02:36
Admiral_Chicago_okay col02:36
greg_gAm I in the correct channel for my inquiry?02:38
greg_g(is only trying to help, I saw a need and I am trying to fix it)02:38
Admiral_Chicago_jjesse: http://pastebin.ca/59461802:39
jjessegreg_g: sorry let me read scroll02:39
Admiral_Chicago_what do you think of those edits?02:39
jjesseif you use &terminal; it should build out all of <!ENTITY terminal '<menuchoice><guimenu>Applications</guimenu><guimenuitem>System</guimenuitem><guimenuitem>Terminal</guimenuitem></menuchoice>'> when you go to build it02:40
jjessethat's the beauty of entities02:40
greg_gI am thinking of editing this page to include removal in Fiesty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FromUbuntuToKubuntu02:41
jjessesounds good to me greg_g02:42
greg_gthanks jjesse, since this is my first time contributing to the help wiki, I thought it would be best to make sure I had the right idea.02:42
jjessegreg_g: to be honest i usually do it and ask for forgiveness later :)02:43
greg_geither way I guess :)02:44
Admiral_Chicago_grr. okay doc work is frustration after all02:55
jjesseyes yes it is :)02:55
jjessedid it not work correct w/ the entitY?02:55
Admiral_Chicago_well i haven't tried that yet02:56
Admiral_Chicago_but i find section and section and section02:57
Admiral_Chicago_like i started video then there was video one, two, three...02:57
Admiral_Chicago_jjesse: would you mind looking at my diff in a second02:57
jjesseAdmiral_Chicago_: sure02:58
Admiral_Chicago_email address?02:58
Admiral_Chicago_jjesse at ubuntu dot com?02:59
jjesseyes sir02:59
j1mcwhen i try to validate a feisty .pot file after fixing a bug, i get an error: http://pastebin.ca/59464903:03
jjesseok heading out to walk the dog03:03
jjessebe back in a bit03:03
j1mci didn't change that... :)  is that an error, or should i not worry?03:03
j1mcok, jjesse03:03
nixternalwhat is all of this work going on for? to much work for the doc channel03:04
nixternalto much noise03:04
nixternalj1mc: you don't validate .pot files03:05
nixternalthe validate script is only for .xml files03:05
j1mcyessss... ok thanks.03:05
nixternalyou don't manually edit .pot files either03:05
j1mcyou don't?  why not?03:05
nixternalthere is a script that automatically generates them03:05
nixternalpot files are automatically generated03:05
nixternalxml2po03:05
j1mchow do i know where the error came from then?03:06
nixternalwhat error?03:07
nixternalthe error in pastebin?03:07
j1mchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/12271303:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122713 in xubuntu-docs "Path in xubuntu documentation does not match true situation" [Undecided,Confirmed] 03:07
j1mc!botsnack03:07
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!03:07
nixternalj1mc: you recreate all of the pot files and then create a new xubuntu docs package, get it uploaded, and rosetta will grab the new pot files03:08
nixternalj1mc: as long as you have fixed it in the .xml, mark it as fix committed once you have sent in the patch and it gets uploaded03:09
nixternaland why he is just now noticing this issue is beyond me03:09
nixternalthat should have been noticed probably back in Dapper, if not Edgy or Feisty, that's how old that error probably is03:10
j1mci don't even see it in the desktopguide.  it's only in the pot file03:11
j1mcit's not in the xml...03:11
j1mcdo you think maybe the pot file wasn't regenerated for feisty?03:15
Admiral_Chicago_sent to jjesse, j1mc, and nixternal03:16
j1mc./vilidate.sh /pathto/file.xml03:20
jjesseAdmiral_Chicago_:  did you figure out the validation problem?03:31
nixternalj1mc: very well could have happened like that03:34
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Admiral_1hicago_i found the problem03:38
Admiral_1hicago_well to one validation isssue03:39
Admiral_1hicago_not sure about the other one03:39
Admiral_1hicago_nixternal: can i just email you the file I have and you can give me feedback?03:39
Admiral_1hicago_its a bit hard to work in here...03:39
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jjesseproblems Admiral_Chicago?03:44
Admiral_Chicago_yea, they changed the key on the wireless network.03:44
Admiral_Chicago_jjesse: my documentation isn't validating....03:44
Admiral_Chicago_i can't figure out where....03:44
jjessethat's a bummer03:45
jjessei've spent a long time trying to get mine to validate03:45
jjessei need to work on validating my adept documentation03:45
jjessei think validation is the hardest part of working on documentation03:48
j1mcnixternal: the problem was in the /docs-ubuntu/feisty/xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent file, so it took me a bit to track that down.03:49
j1mcdocs-ubuntu is my own folder name... but it's in the feisty branch.  :)03:49
j1mci've submitted a patch via the bug report, but i think they'll need to rebuild the pot file.03:50
Admiral_Chicago_bug # ?03:50
j1mcthat would be the only way to correct it.03:50
jjessenixternal: Ping03:51
j1mchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/12271303:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122713 in xubuntu-docs "Path in xubuntu documentation does not match true situation" [Undecided,Confirmed] 03:51
jjessenixternal: for my adept documentation when it gets built do i use the kubuntu-docs entities or how does that work?03:51
nixternalyo yo03:58
nixternaljjesse: well if it is for Kubuntu then yes, if it is the KDE ones, then using meinproc will cause it to link to the KDE entities correctly03:58
jjesseumm....03:59
nixternalAdmiral_Chicago_: you sent an email, but no patch, was that meant to be?03:59
jjesseok it is the kubuntu specific adept guide03:59
jjessenixternal: also did you see i will probablly be in chicago in july04:00
jjessefor another week04:00
nixternalwow, this is going to be difficult...if you do one for KDE, we will then have 2 adept manuals04:00
nixternaljjesse: rock on, make sure you warn me so I am in Michigan that week instead :)04:00
jjessenixternal: i know the problem is adept is different ify ou install on debian testing04:00
jjessethen it is on gutsy04:00
nixternalsame version in Debian though?04:00
nixternalwe do a custom one, that is for sure04:01
Admiral_Chicago_nixternal: oh yea...04:01
nixternalmaybe we should incorporate it into the installation section of our tbh?04:01
jjessenixternal: checking04:01
jjesseversion info that is04:01
nixternalour installation section will need to get reworked now anyways. We have GDebi-KDE now04:02
jjessewhy the switch from adept to gdebi-kde?04:02
jjesseafk for a bit, putting wife to bed :)04:04
jjesseok back for abit while wife is getting ready, are we moving from adept to something new04:05
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nixternalnot switching from adept. gdebi now allows Kubuntu to user the ability to just click a .deb file to install now04:08
jjesseso how does that affect the way we install packages?04:08
nixternalwhereas before, if they downloaded a debian file, they had to install it via the command line, now they don't04:08
jjesseso adept is still used?04:09
nixternaldoesn't affect the way we install package at all, it is just an added benefit04:09
nixternaloh ya, adept is getting something close to a rewrite I believe04:09
jjesseawesome, before or after i am done documenting it? also who is doing the overhaul?04:09
nixternalthe install section I created wasn't all that great in the first place, so now that I have a base, it will be easy to work with04:09
jjessedebian version of adept is 2.1 cruiser04:09
nixternalmanchicken and mornfall, and probably after you are done04:09
nixternalhrmm, Gutsy version is the same04:10
jjesseintersting, can't find adept in my install of gutsy04:11
Admiral_Chicago_what about upstream?04:11
nixternaljjesse: because you did a dist-upgrade maybe? the apt and adept packages conflicted last week and if you installed apt, you removed adept04:11
jjesseresinstalling kubuntu-desktop04:11
jjesseok afk for about 15 minutes now, so manchicken is someone i should contafct then?04:12
jjesseprobablly going to do a whole rewrite of what i have then :(04:12
Admiral_Chicago_:\04:16
nixternaljjesse: not a whole rewrite, that would be nuts. But I think there are going to be some "big" internal type changes, and of course the GUI will change. I don't think it passed the KDE usability audits04:22
nixternalI think I remember seele saying it was horrible. and when she says that, it has meaning since she leads that project (KDE usability) and does that for a living :)04:22
Admiral_Chicago_be back in a bit...04:25
jjesseback04:26
jjessenixternal: i think you are right, i know it is terrible to use and i  don't know usablity04:26
nixternalI know it is ugly04:32
nixternalheck, since dapper there has been that one button that was always grayed out, no functionality, and just now something is getting done about it04:33
jjesseok so back to my original question, should i change it to use kubuntu's entities?04:33
nixternalif it isn't going to be packaged apart of adept, and will be maintained in our repos, I say yes04:34
jjesseok so me think this out then, there needs to be an adept guide that ships in kde and there needs to be an adept guide that ships with kubuntu (noting changes kubuntu has made)04:34
nixternaltrue04:38
jjesseso how does that work :)04:38
nixternalas long as it gets into KDE, I am happy :)04:38
nixternaloh wait, I will put it in KDE :)04:39
jjesse:)04:39
nixternalyou should go ahead and get you a SVN account there as well since you are planning on doing some contributing04:39
nixternal10 more minutes of this garbage04:39
nixternaldo you have asp.net experience at all? ever used it? ever seen it?04:39
jjesseok, i need to remember my gpg to unlock my password to get access back to ubuntu-doc svn04:39
jjesseasp.net? yeah i've used it before04:40
nixternalmy lord, it is the worse thing I have ever in my life messed with04:40
jjessei think i have a asp.net book from MS Press laying around04:40
nixternalI am sitting in my ASP.NET class04:40
jjessebummer to that, i think i'm going to play madden 0704:40
nixternalI would rather draw images of Microsoft on my thighs with a razer blade04:40
jjesseare you doing everything in mono?04:41
nixternalsome stuff I have been04:41
nixternalbut so far I haven't been able to get the aspx stuff working correctly with monodevelop04:41
jjesseah04:42
nixternalI need to give that a try again actually..it could have been because I had no clue what I was doing at first04:42
nixternaloh well, I am going to head home, see y'all later :)04:43
jjessel8ter04:43
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j1mcnixternal: i submitted a patch that will fix the bug (# 122713), but the .pot file will need to be regenerated for it to show as fixed to the translators.06:01
j1mccan i do that?06:02
nixternalyes06:02
j1mcis there an app to do it?  what's the name of it?06:02
nixternalcommand line :)06:03
nixternalfrom trunk/xubuntu06:03
nixternalwhich app is this by the way?06:03
j1mcit's in the feisty branch06:03
nixternalwe have a script that creates them all at once06:03
nixternalactually, what I would do, is hold off on that...a .pot patch is nothing nice06:03
nixternalthey are tremendous in size06:04
nixternalwe have about 2 months before we create the pots anyways I believe06:04
nixternalbut I don't know, seeing as rosetta is open, it might make sense to run the pots now06:04
j1mcnixternal: it's a feisty-doc bugfix, though.  the problem may also be in trunk, but this person is trying to translate feisty docs.06:05
nixternalhrmm...well it probably won't get fixed for feisty, as it isn't life threatening, and getting just that updated would be crazy to get an SRU to go through06:06
j1mcah, ok.06:07
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fijamhello03:57
jjessehello03:57
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fijamhi06:34
nixternalKubuntu docs are switching to GPLv3! ;p06:36
nixternalhi fijam06:36
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ubotuNew bug: #50707 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "JDK docs not listed in yelp" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5070710:00
nixternaloh wow, and that is our fault how?10:01
nixternalthat is because JDK docs are to be looked at with a browser10:01
nixternalnot our problem anymore..all they did was subscribe us thankfully10:04
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bdmurraynixternal: that was my bad then I figured you were more knowledgable about yelp11:33
nixternaloh...hehe11:33
nixternalthe JDK docs are meant to be read from a browser...I know because I use them almost daily now11:34
nixternalto get them in Yelp, the package would have to create a .desktop file and put it where ever Yelp looks..I think..I know that is how I would do it for KHelpCenter11:34
bdmurrayWell, I guess I was right to a degree - you did know more than me.11:35
nixternalhehe11:35
nixternalI am sure mdke_ or LaserJock would know better though with Yelp11:35
bdmurrayby the way do you know who the mythical wiki admins are?11:35
nixternalI used to, but I think they have since left the company11:36
nixternalI don't even know who the main admin is even more11:36
nixternalI used to think kiko, but I guess he is more LP than anything else11:36
nixternalthat Java bug though, we need to see if we can get it fixed for Gutsy maybe...I need to yell, I mean speak at the current Java package anyways :)11:37
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jjessehello11:51
jjessemay i recomend timbuktu big block red11:52
jjesseits a great wine :)11:52
nixternalhehe12:06
nixternalisn't it to early to be drinking?12:06
jjessenope, cooking dinner12:06
jjesseits 6pm12:06
nixternaloh ya, 6 there :)12:06
nixternalI am getting ready to head up to timbuktu12:07
jjesseyeah?12:07
nixternalwell at least where my aunt lives out in the boontoolies12:07
jjesseboondocks?12:12
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mptnixternal, you're in Mali?12:14
nixternalworse, Chicago :)12:15
mptwow, good luck with that "swim across the Atlantic Ocean" step12:15
mpt;-)12:15
nixternalmpt: timbuktu is a word us silly americans use to reference "out in the middle of nowhere" kind of12:15
nixternalor somewhere far away that I have no clue about12:16
nixternalspeaking of that "swim across the Atlantic..." I just read about a guy who has done it12:16
jjessewhat?12:16
nixternalya, let me find the link12:16
mptnixternal, same here, but it's fun to flummox people by referring to the real one12:16
nixternaland that you did :)12:17

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