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[02:13] <Admiral_Chicago_> hey there j1mc
[02:16] <j1mc> heya, Admiral_Chicago_
[02:16] <jjesse> evening
[02:16] <j1mc> hi jjesse
[02:16] <jjesse> hiya j1mc
[02:16] <j1mc> a lot of people in this channel saying hello this evening.  :)
[02:16] <jjesse> :)
[02:17] <j1mc> jjesse: fijam asked a bunch of questions on the channel earlier today... i'm not sure if he got a response.  did you see those questions, and if he got a response?
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[02:19] <jjesse> hmm didn't see the questions
[02:19] <j1mc> np... i think he was going to ask on the ml
[02:20] <jjesse> are you in chicago as well j1mc?
[02:20] <jjesse> nixternal and Admiral_Chicago_ looks like i might be comming back to chicago for a week in july we sould get together again
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago_> jjesse: definetly
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago_> jjesse: j1mc is in chicago as well. he is sitting next to me now
[02:23] <jjesse> awesome, i'll let the two of you know when exactly so we can do another meet up again
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago_> awesome
[02:24] <jjesse> my boss didn't even question the "company" dinner we had together :)
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago_> we are hacking on docs: perhaps you can answer a question
[02:24] <jjesse> i can sure try
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago_> let me pastebin it
[02:25] <Admiral_Chicago_> http://pastebin.ca/594581
[02:25] <Admiral_Chicago_> so i'm looking for the proper way to refrence the terminal in the docs
[02:25] <j1mc> jjesse: cool.  it would be good to meet you.
[02:25] <Admiral_Chicago_> wouldn't it be Applications  >> accessories >> terminal
[02:25] <jjesse> j1mc: yeah it will be nice
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago_> it seems lke there are two ways to refence the terminal in docbook, not sure which  way to do it
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago_> nixternal: feel free to answer that question
[02:26] <jjesse> is it referenced both ways in our documents?
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago_> not sure, I haven't looked at all the docs
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago_> i've seen it both ways in teh kubuntu docs
[02:28] <jjesse> hmm then we should standarize and file bugs to get it solved
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[02:28] <jjesse> wow saw an article the 1st year of an iPhone will run you $1936
[02:28] <Admiral_Chicago_> dang.
[02:29] <jjesse> i think it should be Applications >> Asscesories >> Terminal
[02:29] <jjesse> that includes data and voice plans
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago_> i seem to remember there being discussion in doc ML
[02:29] <jjesse> i thought so too, try the gmane archives?
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago_> looking now
[02:30] <jjesse> is Rich still in class?
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-May/008493.html
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago_> not sure
[02:30] <greg_g> So, I just had to uninstall the kubuntu-desktop meta package along with everything else.  The first link from google when searching for "uninstall kubuntu-desktop" is this: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Uninstall_kubuntu-desktop
[02:31] <greg_g> I added my information there for Fiesty, but was wondering if you wanted to use it for the ubuntu wiki
[02:31] <jjesse> Admiral_Chicago_: i acutally prefer the 2nd choice
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago_> as do i, makes it easier to visualize the navigation
[02:32] <jjesse> but mdke_ has the final answer because of the entity it is defined
[02:32] <jjesse> do you have an xubuntu-menus-C.ent?
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago_> uh thats a good question
[02:32] <jjesse> or are you using the gnome-menus-C.ent
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago_> i don't know what that is
[02:33] <jjesse> if you read: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-May/008501.html
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago_> how can I check.
[02:33] <jjesse> you see that the gnome-menus-C.ent lists entities for gnome
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago_> ah okay
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago_> let me navigate the docs for a sec
[02:34] <jjesse> ok in /trunk/xubuntu/libs there is a xubuntu.ent, and there is also the gnome-munus-C.ent
[02:34] <jjesse> so now you can reference whatever is in any of those as long as your xml includes those files
[02:35] <jjesse> looks like in xubuntu.ent there is an entity for for terminal already
[02:35] <jjesse> <!ENTITY terminal '<menuchoice><guimenu>Applications</guimenu><guimenuitem>System</guimenuitem><guimenuitem>Terminal</guimenuitem></menuchoice>'>
[02:36] <Admiral_Chicago_> i'm in /libs but don't see the xubuntu.ent
[02:36] <Admiral_Chicago_> ah i see it
[02:36] <Admiral_Chicago_> okay col
[02:38] <greg_g> Am I in the correct channel for my inquiry?
[02:38] <greg_g> (is only trying to help, I saw a need and I am trying to fix it)
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago_> jjesse: http://pastebin.ca/594618
[02:39] <jjesse> greg_g: sorry let me read scroll
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago_> what do you think of those edits?
[02:40] <jjesse> if you use &terminal; it should build out all of <!ENTITY terminal '<menuchoice><guimenu>Applications</guimenu><guimenuitem>System</guimenuitem><guimenuitem>Terminal</guimenuitem></menuchoice>'> when you go to build it
[02:40] <jjesse> that's the beauty of entities
[02:41] <greg_g> I am thinking of editing this page to include removal in Fiesty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FromUbuntuToKubuntu
[02:42] <jjesse> sounds good to me greg_g
[02:42] <greg_g> thanks jjesse, since this is my first time contributing to the help wiki, I thought it would be best to make sure I had the right idea.
[02:43] <jjesse> greg_g: to be honest i usually do it and ask for forgiveness later :)
[02:44] <greg_g> either way I guess :)
[02:55] <Admiral_Chicago_> grr. okay doc work is frustration after all
[02:55] <jjesse> yes yes it is :)
[02:55] <jjesse> did it not work correct w/ the entitY?
[02:56] <Admiral_Chicago_> well i haven't tried that yet
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago_> but i find section and section and section
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago_> like i started video then there was video one, two, three...
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago_> jjesse: would you mind looking at my diff in a second
[02:58] <jjesse> Admiral_Chicago_: sure
[02:58] <Admiral_Chicago_> email address?
[02:59] <Admiral_Chicago_> jjesse at ubuntu dot com?
[02:59] <jjesse> yes sir
[03:03] <j1mc> when i try to validate a feisty .pot file after fixing a bug, i get an error: http://pastebin.ca/594649
[03:03] <jjesse> ok heading out to walk the dog
[03:03] <jjesse> be back in a bit
[03:03] <j1mc> i didn't change that... :)  is that an error, or should i not worry?
[03:03] <j1mc> ok, jjesse
[03:04] <nixternal> what is all of this work going on for? to much work for the doc channel
[03:04] <nixternal> to much noise
[03:05] <nixternal> j1mc: you don't validate .pot files
[03:05] <nixternal> the validate script is only for .xml files
[03:05] <j1mc> yessss... ok thanks.
[03:05] <nixternal> you don't manually edit .pot files either
[03:05] <j1mc> you don't?  why not?
[03:05] <nixternal> there is a script that automatically generates them
[03:05] <nixternal> pot files are automatically generated
[03:05] <nixternal> xml2po
[03:06] <j1mc> how do i know where the error came from then?
[03:07] <nixternal> what error?
[03:07] <nixternal> the error in pastebin?
[03:07] <j1mc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/122713
[03:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122713 in xubuntu-docs "Path in xubuntu documentation does not match true situation" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:07] <j1mc> !botsnack
[03:07] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:08] <nixternal> j1mc: you recreate all of the pot files and then create a new xubuntu docs package, get it uploaded, and rosetta will grab the new pot files
[03:09] <nixternal> j1mc: as long as you have fixed it in the .xml, mark it as fix committed once you have sent in the patch and it gets uploaded
[03:09] <nixternal> and why he is just now noticing this issue is beyond me
[03:10] <nixternal> that should have been noticed probably back in Dapper, if not Edgy or Feisty, that's how old that error probably is
[03:11] <j1mc> i don't even see it in the desktopguide.  it's only in the pot file
[03:11] <j1mc> it's not in the xml...
[03:15] <j1mc> do you think maybe the pot file wasn't regenerated for feisty?
[03:16] <Admiral_Chicago_> sent to jjesse, j1mc, and nixternal
[03:20] <j1mc> ./vilidate.sh /pathto/file.xml
[03:31] <jjesse> Admiral_Chicago_:  did you figure out the validation problem?
[03:34] <nixternal> j1mc: very well could have happened like that
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[03:38] <Admiral_1hicago_> i found the problem
[03:39] <Admiral_1hicago_> well to one validation isssue
[03:39] <Admiral_1hicago_> not sure about the other one
[03:39] <Admiral_1hicago_> nixternal: can i just email you the file I have and you can give me feedback?
[03:39] <Admiral_1hicago_> its a bit hard to work in here...
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[03:44] <jjesse> problems Admiral_Chicago?
[03:44] <Admiral_Chicago_> yea, they changed the key on the wireless network.
[03:44] <Admiral_Chicago_> jjesse: my documentation isn't validating....
[03:44] <Admiral_Chicago_> i can't figure out where....
[03:45] <jjesse> that's a bummer
[03:45] <jjesse> i've spent a long time trying to get mine to validate
[03:45] <jjesse> i need to work on validating my adept documentation
[03:48] <jjesse> i think validation is the hardest part of working on documentation
[03:49] <j1mc> nixternal: the problem was in the /docs-ubuntu/feisty/xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent file, so it took me a bit to track that down.
[03:49] <j1mc> docs-ubuntu is my own folder name... but it's in the feisty branch.  :)
[03:50] <j1mc> i've submitted a patch via the bug report, but i think they'll need to rebuild the pot file.
[03:50] <Admiral_Chicago_> bug # ?
[03:50] <j1mc> that would be the only way to correct it.
[03:51] <jjesse> nixternal: Ping
[03:51] <j1mc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/122713
[03:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122713 in xubuntu-docs "Path in xubuntu documentation does not match true situation" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:51] <jjesse> nixternal: for my adept documentation when it gets built do i use the kubuntu-docs entities or how does that work?
[03:58] <nixternal> yo yo
[03:58] <nixternal> jjesse: well if it is for Kubuntu then yes, if it is the KDE ones, then using meinproc will cause it to link to the KDE entities correctly
[03:59] <jjesse> umm....
[03:59] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago_: you sent an email, but no patch, was that meant to be?
[03:59] <jjesse> ok it is the kubuntu specific adept guide
[04:00] <jjesse> nixternal: also did you see i will probablly be in chicago in july
[04:00] <jjesse> for another week
[04:00] <nixternal> wow, this is going to be difficult...if you do one for KDE, we will then have 2 adept manuals
[04:00] <nixternal> jjesse: rock on, make sure you warn me so I am in Michigan that week instead :)
[04:00] <jjesse> nixternal: i know the problem is adept is different ify ou install on debian testing
[04:00] <jjesse> then it is on gutsy
[04:00] <nixternal> same version in Debian though?
[04:01] <nixternal> we do a custom one, that is for sure
[04:01] <Admiral_Chicago_> nixternal: oh yea...
[04:01] <nixternal> maybe we should incorporate it into the installation section of our tbh?
[04:01] <jjesse> nixternal: checking
[04:01] <jjesse> version info that is
[04:02] <nixternal> our installation section will need to get reworked now anyways. We have GDebi-KDE now
[04:02] <jjesse> why the switch from adept to gdebi-kde?
[04:04] <jjesse> afk for a bit, putting wife to bed :)
[04:05] <jjesse> ok back for abit while wife is getting ready, are we moving from adept to something new
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[04:08] <nixternal> not switching from adept. gdebi now allows Kubuntu to user the ability to just click a .deb file to install now
[04:08] <jjesse> so how does that affect the way we install packages?
[04:08] <nixternal> whereas before, if they downloaded a debian file, they had to install it via the command line, now they don't
[04:09] <jjesse> so adept is still used?
[04:09] <nixternal> doesn't affect the way we install package at all, it is just an added benefit
[04:09] <nixternal> oh ya, adept is getting something close to a rewrite I believe
[04:09] <jjesse> awesome, before or after i am done documenting it? also who is doing the overhaul?
[04:09] <nixternal> the install section I created wasn't all that great in the first place, so now that I have a base, it will be easy to work with
[04:09] <jjesse> debian version of adept is 2.1 cruiser
[04:09] <nixternal> manchicken and mornfall, and probably after you are done
[04:10] <nixternal> hrmm, Gutsy version is the same
[04:11] <jjesse> intersting, can't find adept in my install of gutsy
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago_> what about upstream?
[04:11] <nixternal> jjesse: because you did a dist-upgrade maybe? the apt and adept packages conflicted last week and if you installed apt, you removed adept
[04:11] <jjesse> resinstalling kubuntu-desktop
[04:12] <jjesse> ok afk for about 15 minutes now, so manchicken is someone i should contafct then?
[04:12] <jjesse> probablly going to do a whole rewrite of what i have then :(
[04:16] <Admiral_Chicago_> :\
[04:22] <nixternal> jjesse: not a whole rewrite, that would be nuts. But I think there are going to be some "big" internal type changes, and of course the GUI will change. I don't think it passed the KDE usability audits
[04:22] <nixternal> I think I remember seele saying it was horrible. and when she says that, it has meaning since she leads that project (KDE usability) and does that for a living :)
[04:25] <Admiral_Chicago_> be back in a bit...
[04:26] <jjesse> back
[04:26] <jjesse> nixternal: i think you are right, i know it is terrible to use and i  don't know usablity
[04:32] <nixternal> I know it is ugly
[04:33] <nixternal> heck, since dapper there has been that one button that was always grayed out, no functionality, and just now something is getting done about it
[04:33] <jjesse> ok so back to my original question, should i change it to use kubuntu's entities?
[04:34] <nixternal> if it isn't going to be packaged apart of adept, and will be maintained in our repos, I say yes
[04:34] <jjesse> ok so me think this out then, there needs to be an adept guide that ships in kde and there needs to be an adept guide that ships with kubuntu (noting changes kubuntu has made)
[04:38] <nixternal> true
[04:38] <jjesse> so how does that work :)
[04:38] <nixternal> as long as it gets into KDE, I am happy :)
[04:39] <nixternal> oh wait, I will put it in KDE :)
[04:39] <jjesse> :)
[04:39] <nixternal> you should go ahead and get you a SVN account there as well since you are planning on doing some contributing
[04:39] <nixternal> 10 more minutes of this garbage
[04:39] <nixternal> do you have asp.net experience at all? ever used it? ever seen it?
[04:39] <jjesse> ok, i need to remember my gpg to unlock my password to get access back to ubuntu-doc svn
[04:40] <jjesse> asp.net? yeah i've used it before
[04:40] <nixternal> my lord, it is the worse thing I have ever in my life messed with
[04:40] <jjesse> i think i have a asp.net book from MS Press laying around
[04:40] <nixternal> I am sitting in my ASP.NET class
[04:40] <jjesse> bummer to that, i think i'm going to play madden 07
[04:40] <nixternal> I would rather draw images of Microsoft on my thighs with a razer blade
[04:41] <jjesse> are you doing everything in mono?
[04:41] <nixternal> some stuff I have been
[04:41] <nixternal> but so far I haven't been able to get the aspx stuff working correctly with monodevelop
[04:42] <jjesse> ah
[04:42] <nixternal> I need to give that a try again actually..it could have been because I had no clue what I was doing at first
[04:43] <nixternal> oh well, I am going to head home, see y'all later :)
[04:43] <jjesse> l8ter
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[06:01] <j1mc> nixternal: i submitted a patch that will fix the bug (# 122713), but the .pot file will need to be regenerated for it to show as fixed to the translators.
[06:02] <j1mc> can i do that?
[06:02] <nixternal> yes
[06:02] <j1mc> is there an app to do it?  what's the name of it?
[06:03] <nixternal> command line :)
[06:03] <nixternal> from trunk/xubuntu
[06:03] <nixternal> which app is this by the way?
[06:03] <j1mc> it's in the feisty branch
[06:03] <nixternal> we have a script that creates them all at once
[06:03] <nixternal> actually, what I would do, is hold off on that...a .pot patch is nothing nice
[06:04] <nixternal> they are tremendous in size
[06:04] <nixternal> we have about 2 months before we create the pots anyways I believe
[06:04] <nixternal> but I don't know, seeing as rosetta is open, it might make sense to run the pots now
[06:05] <j1mc> nixternal: it's a feisty-doc bugfix, though.  the problem may also be in trunk, but this person is trying to translate feisty docs.
[06:06] <nixternal> hrmm...well it probably won't get fixed for feisty, as it isn't life threatening, and getting just that updated would be crazy to get an SRU to go through
[06:07] <j1mc> ah, ok.
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[03:57] <fijam> hello
[03:57] <jjesse> hello
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[06:34] <fijam> hi
[06:36] <nixternal> Kubuntu docs are switching to GPLv3! ;p
[06:36] <nixternal> hi fijam
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[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #50707 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "JDK docs not listed in yelp" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50707
[10:01] <nixternal> oh wow, and that is our fault how?
[10:01] <nixternal> that is because JDK docs are to be looked at with a browser
[10:04] <nixternal> not our problem anymore..all they did was subscribe us thankfully
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[11:33] <bdmurray> nixternal: that was my bad then I figured you were more knowledgable about yelp
[11:33] <nixternal> oh...hehe
[11:34] <nixternal> the JDK docs are meant to be read from a browser...I know because I use them almost daily now
[11:34] <nixternal> to get them in Yelp, the package would have to create a .desktop file and put it where ever Yelp looks..I think..I know that is how I would do it for KHelpCenter
[11:35] <bdmurray> Well, I guess I was right to a degree - you did know more than me.
[11:35] <nixternal> hehe
[11:35] <nixternal> I am sure mdke_ or LaserJock would know better though with Yelp
[11:35] <bdmurray> by the way do you know who the mythical wiki admins are?
[11:36] <nixternal> I used to, but I think they have since left the company
[11:36] <nixternal> I don't even know who the main admin is even more
[11:36] <nixternal> I used to think kiko, but I guess he is more LP than anything else
[11:37] <nixternal> that Java bug though, we need to see if we can get it fixed for Gutsy maybe...I need to yell, I mean speak at the current Java package anyways :)
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[11:51] <jjesse> hello
[11:52] <jjesse> may i recomend timbuktu big block red
[11:52] <jjesse> its a great wine :)
[12:06] <nixternal> hehe
[12:06] <nixternal> isn't it to early to be drinking?
[12:06] <jjesse> nope, cooking dinner
[12:06] <jjesse> its 6pm
[12:06] <nixternal> oh ya, 6 there :)
[12:07] <nixternal> I am getting ready to head up to timbuktu
[12:07] <jjesse> yeah?
[12:07] <nixternal> well at least where my aunt lives out in the boontoolies
[12:12] <jjesse> boondocks?
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[12:14] <mpt> nixternal, you're in Mali?
[12:15] <nixternal> worse, Chicago :)
[12:15] <mpt> wow, good luck with that "swim across the Atlantic Ocean" step
[12:15] <mpt> ;-)
[12:15] <nixternal> mpt: timbuktu is a word us silly americans use to reference "out in the middle of nowhere" kind of
[12:16] <nixternal> or somewhere far away that I have no clue about
[12:16] <nixternal> speaking of that "swim across the Atlantic..." I just read about a guy who has done it
[12:16] <jjesse> what?
[12:16] <nixternal> ya, let me find the link
[12:16] <mpt> nixternal, same here, but it's fun to flummox people by referring to the real one
[12:17] <nixternal> and that you did :)