=== doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-091-187.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === doko__ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-096-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === charliefjohnson [n=cfj@jffwpr02.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === charliefjohnson [n=cfj@jffwpr01.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === charliefjohnson [n=cfj@jffwpr01.jf.intel.com] has left #ubuntu-mobile ["Leaving"] === rusty [n=rusty@207.219.199.245] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === horaceli [n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:35] robr, you around? [02:35] yes [02:35] rusty, yes [02:35] hows it going [02:35] rusty, what's up? [02:35] just arrived at my hotel and checking email [02:36] rusty: running into networking issues on the menlow with the USB-Ethernet dongles...linksys works but i can't get the SMC device that ships w/ the knockdown kits to work [02:36] on the flight to Chicago i did some homework on creating init ram disks with mkinitramfs [02:36] rusty: cool...is it something you want to add before or after tomorrow's M3.1 release? [02:36] robr, is this exposing a hardware issue with usb, maybe? [02:37] robr, i wouldn't feel comfortable pushing a change till after i get back... maybe, unless i get some good work time tomorrow [02:37] but... [02:37] rusty: not sure, it could be either at the moment...USB HW is still being debugged from what i understand, but i'm suspicious that one brand works and the other doesn't [02:38] mkinitramfs has come a long way since i really used it [02:38] rusty: i need to test with a different SMC device [02:38] actually, i think we can really simplify things [02:38] rusty: that would be good [02:39] robr, so... you hooking up asit with remote access? [02:39] rusty: we could have Alek look at it if you're busy...i'd like to have him add a couple things to project-builder including CD images and kernel command-line options [02:40] rusty: now that i've got networking working with the Linksys, it's possible for Asit to remote login, although he never responded to my email [02:40] robr, you think this needs to be in for tomorrow? [02:40] which part? [02:40] redoing the initrd creation [02:40] i'd think it could wait [02:40] robr, that's what you were talking about, right? [02:41] i think what i was talking about Alek doing could wait until after tomorrow [02:41] but i know people are asking for ISO image support [02:42] robr, asit did reply [02:44] rusty, ahh...i see it now...it was burried in my inbox [02:44] rusty, i'll respond to him in a bit with an ip address he can ssh into the menlow box [02:58] rusty: asit should now have what he needs === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sp3000 [n=tt@hoasb-ff0ddd00-250.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c_ [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === robr [n=rob@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bobux [n=bspencer@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === horaceli [n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kevinTW [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bspencer [n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:30] tko: you online? I'm looking for a good control panel applet example. [09:30] tko: A guy on my China team wrote a short how-to for control panel applets. But has problems with the refactored code. === kevinTW [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:51] Mithrandir: hello, TGIF [09:52] Mithrandir: am I supposed to change my blueprints to "review" or "pending approval" ? [09:52] once I'm done? [09:53] bspencer: yes. [09:53] and then I'll go through them and either give you feedback about stuff that needs changing, or approve it. [09:54] "review" [09:54] not "pending approval" [09:56] either is fine, since we're not doing reviews, just the approval bit. [09:56] usually, when we do this at a conference we start out by having them go to review where they're then checked for clarity, style, grammar, etc by a person who doesn't actually know about the spec itself. [09:57] the approver, on the other hand, is supposed to make sure it fits into the big picture and do a technical valuation of the spec. [09:57] ok. I just chagned them to review [09:57] that's fine, I'll get to it. [09:57] Mithrandir: a build question for the master [09:58] we are using pbuilder create --distribution gutsy (internal builds) [09:58] and want our chroot'd environ to be able to pull from universe [09:58] currently it only pulls from main [09:58] is there a way to indicate this when running pbuilder ? [09:59] add --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy universe" to the command line [09:59] (with the quotes) [09:59] does that also include "main" by default? [09:59] or also include ..." gutsy main universe..." [10:00] main is included by default, always. [10:00] ok. much thanks [10:04] Mithrandir: Cool, thanks for merging from Debian [10:07] lool: my pleasure; thanks for taking the effort to make it easy for me to do so === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:23] asac, Mithrandir question about our browser for mobile [10:23] bspencer: pong [10:23] we are starting from firefox pristine files (2.0.0.4) [10:23] hi [10:23] ok ... when will we release? [10:23] we were planning to create a new project called Mobile Internet Browser [10:23] maybe its better to go trunk? [10:23] but wondered if we should use existing pristine files in cluded in Firefox ubuntu package [10:24] asac_: you mean not use Firefox tag ? [10:24] we used firefox tag to pull from Mozilla base [10:24] no ... develop against 3.0 [10:24] using cvs. [10:24] ah [10:24] at best we could get kind of bzr import or something [10:24] but i think that is more than we can hope for [10:25] just so we don't spend time banging our heads on new stuff. [10:25] we figured get something working with 2.0.0.4 base, then move to 3.0 after it was working mainly [10:25] right [10:25] 3.0 will be out in january [10:26] ok. I think we can certainly jump when it is ready. Maybe for next Ubuntu. [10:26] so if we develop for the future we should go that ... if we want to hack something now ... we need to stay on 1.8 branmch [10:26] 1.8 branch == firefox 2.0 [10:26] I don't know much about the difference or how much effort it will be to port what we are changing [10:26] mainly chrome, some GTK calls [10:26] we visited with Moz guys and kind of thought 1.8 would be fine. They said 1.9 gecko in November [10:27] depends ... gecko engine has gotten a huge rewrite ... so porting anything that we adapt in gecko might cause headaches [10:27] ... though i don't think we will really touch things that are hard to port [10:27] but if we release something in October that isn't done is that a headache? [10:27] yeah novembmer is too optimistic [10:27] sure [10:27] so 1.8? [10:28] yes if we want to release in october ... yes [10:28] ok. then... should we important a completely independent set of files for our browser ? [10:28] ok lets go back to topic :) [10:28] disregarding the existing Firefox package also containing pristine files of the same [10:28] s/important/import [10:29] i would think so [10:29] me too. that's our plan [10:29] though most files will just be identical [10:29] bspencer: good evening, up late or traveling? [10:29] we want to get a package started even if it looks curiously like Firefox at first. [10:29] but that is done for all mozilla products ... so consider it a best practice :) [10:29] mdz: up late. internal deadline tomorrow [10:29] mdz: (and Mithrandir 's *#@! deadline for blueprints) [10:30] asac_: ok. :) [10:30] asac_: do you know yet whether it makes sense for us to make this part of our firefox source package, or something separate? [10:30] for now lets do it separate [10:30] mdz: yes, my question [10:30] so we can release independently [10:30] ... imo we should try to import source tree to bzr or something [10:30] and we were also wanting to ensure we did the licensing stuff right. [10:30] asac_: the LP people are very cautious about importing non-trunk.. :-/ [10:30] so changing all the names from Firefox to "mobile internet browser" or such [10:31] and then the help looked copyrighted...not sure how much we can alter or include [10:31] it says "firefox" in many places. Also about box changed. [10:32] bspencer: hm, MozCo should be fine with you changing it massively if you change the name, I thought. [10:32] Mithrandir: yes ... i don't think its realistic to sync checkins anyway ... I thought more about doing bulk imports on release [10:33] bspencer: we would have to add a PROJECT in client.mk/configure.in [10:33] Mithrandir: yes, but first we might look very similar [10:33] bspencer: i can get this bootstrapped [10:33] asac_ that would be great [10:33] but first i have to figure out how we can develop collaboratively :) [10:33] bspencer: iceweasel and firefox both look very similar too. [10:33] e.g. bzr ... git ... or whatever [10:33] I don't see how that would be a problem as long as we have an intention of fixing it? [10:35] Mithrandir: agreed [10:35] asac_ recommend something and we'll follow [10:35] speaking of browser, have we evaluated webkit at all? [10:35] I updated the blueprint with uninteresting details regarding teh browser [10:35] actually i would prefer to use git ... so we can rebase and keep our patches on top [10:35] Mithrandir: my understanding was that webkit was lighter and faster, but there wasn't a stable gtk port [10:36] and not the strong community or familiarity with it [10:36] bspencer: ok.. I talked a bit with the gtk-webkit maintainer at debconf and he urged us to at least look at it, but I agree about the community bit. [10:37] asac_ git is great for us [10:37] we would have to find how we can host git though :) === asac_ wonders if launchpad does provide something [10:38] LP doesn't do git [10:38] asac_ kernel team has their git repos exported at kernel.ubuntu.com [10:38] Mithrandir: where is kernel.ubuntu.com hosteed? [10:38] separate machine [10:38] zinc [10:39] I think it might be a challenge, politically, to get git trees hosted in the DC. The kernel is kinda special and we tried using bzr for that. [10:40] i would be fine with bzr ... if its fast enough for a 300+M source tree (maybe that is resolved by now) ... and if we can rebase [10:41] ... keeping a branch for each patch to get something rebase-like doesn't sound like a feasible way for such a huge tree though [10:41] but i am open for discussion [10:41] you can do a reverse rebase instead of a regular one. [10:42] he? [10:42] so you'd do bzr branch, then merge the previous branch [10:42] that'd almost give you the same thing === amitk_ [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:52] see you after a few hours of sleep [10:52] bspencer: night [10:55] Mithrandir: i think i should talk to some bzr people .. who is the one that would know best? [10:55] ask on #bzr? [10:55] oh ... those people have not really been helpful in the past :) [10:55] i think i will try ddaa [10:56] to start :) === kevinTW_ [n=kvbuntu@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [11:43] asac: please take some time to talk with the bzr team about your needs, as we would prefer to use bzr if it meets them [11:44] mdz: yes ... i will definitly do [11:47] asac: talk to Martin Pool, rather than ddaa [11:56] mdz: whats his nick? [11:57] poolie, iirc [11:57] thanks [12:11] hmmm ubuntu-mobile doesn't install hildon-desktop ... is that a bug or a feature? [12:13] it's because you're on amd64, and hildon-desktop was FTBFS when ubuntu-meta was last uploaded. [12:14] ah ok [12:14] now i started it ... and hildon-desktop just crashed :/ [12:14] last week it started ... but when clicking on something it crashed [12:14] in general, hildon doesn't work completely correct on amd64, I would recommend using an i386 chroot [12:14] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27754/ [12:14] ok [12:15] any known reasons why this is the case? [12:15] sizeof(void*) != sizeof(int), in general. [12:15] I would also guess that you didn't use the start-hildon script? [12:16] i used the script from wiki [12:16] ok, then you should be good === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [12:16] lets see what happens on i386 [12:20] Mithrandir: it crashes as well [12:20] Mithrandir: ah ... just saw that i need ume user? [12:20] why that? [12:20] no, you shouldn't necessarily need it. [12:20] hmm [12:20] then i have no idea [12:21] anyway, it works for me in a fresh chroot, as of yesterday [12:21] i just recopied the start script [12:21] in case it has changed in last week [12:21] but no improvement [12:23] mdz: is it correct that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-development-environment is still drafting? [12:25] mdz: and can you set ubuntu-mobile as the approver on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-mediaplayer ? I can't edit it otherwise. [12:25] ditto for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-browser [12:37] mdz: you're drafter for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-maemo-packaging-cleanup ; I think it should be approved even if we might discover new problems that needs to be cleaned up, so unless you protest I'll just mark it as approved. [12:53] Mithrandir: packaging-cleanup -> fine [12:53] Mithrandir: media-player -> done [12:54] Mithrandir: I need for you or adilson to take over development-environment; I can't put the time in right now [12:55] I'll be happy to take it [12:57] thanks === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === TeTeT_ [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === tko_ [n=tkomulai@jabber.hst.ru] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.44.189.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === rusty [n=rusty@207.219.199.245] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:10] hiya rusty [02:10] how's OLS? === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.44.189.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:18] agoliveira: I think we should start on getting you through MOTU and such, so you can do your own uploads, at least to universe. [02:19] agoliveira: any thoughts on that? [02:19] Mithrandir: That would be helpful. BTW, saw your last email. Got it. [02:20] it's not a big deal, it just looks better to use the standard syntax. [02:21] Mithrandir: No problem. I'm aways open to learn ;) === etrunko [n=edulima@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:25] morning... I haven't hit the conf floor yet... still getting ready in my room [02:30] ah [02:32] agoliveira: asac complained about hildon falling over when trying to start the UI; can you reproduce it? (I can, but I'm not sure where the problem lies) [02:35] Mithrandir: Until yesterday (when I was testing the dbus with you) it was fine here. I can try again to see if anything changed. [02:35] make sure to upgrade the chroot first [02:36] Mithrandir: Ok. [02:38] meh, and hildon-control-panel needs an -l10n-mr package [02:39] Mithrandir: Yes, I put that on the TODO. I already prepared the package yesterday but it need to be uploaded. [02:40] is it in bzr? [02:40] Yep. [02:40] oh, excellent, you're way ahead of me, then. :-) [02:42] Hmmm... now that you mentioned, I remember that I did push it yesterday but I can't find it on the mobile list. Let me see what happened. [02:44] https://launchpad.net/hildon-control-panel-l10n doesn't have an import === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:44] Mithrandir: My bad. I registered it but was waiting for the import [02:44] from svn. [02:44] hm [02:46] are you sure? I can't see any SVN details connected to it [02:46] agoliveira: if you need any info ... let me know [02:46] https://launchpad.net/hildon-control-panel-l10n/trunk [02:46] agoliveira: it just crashes here ... same for amd64 and i386 chroot [02:46] Subversion: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-control-panel-l10n Import status: Testing [02:46] last week it crashed when i click on something ... now it crashes right at startup [02:46] agoliveira: ok, I can see that. Just strange it's not listed at all in the list of imports. [02:47] asac: Sure, let me test it here first. === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:47] agoliveira: you're prodding our LP guy when he shows up, I presume? [02:47] Yep. That was the first thing on my TODO for today. === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-2123366bc3cab201] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:55] I'm taking a break now, phone me if there's anything urgent? [02:56] Mithrandir: Nope. Call you is be expensive :-D [02:56] s/is be/is [02:57] Mithrandir: Instead of patching gconfschemasdir, you might want to call dh_gconf [02:57] Oh nm, you do call dh_gconf; you don't need to patch gconfschemasdir though === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:58] dh_gconf will pick the files in /etc [02:58] asac: The crash you saw earlier was caused by a bug already solved. Yesterday I tested the last batches and it works fine. I'm checking out right now again, just in case. [02:58] earlier = the first you mentioned. [03:04] asac: I just tested it here using the procedure described here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure and I can click, run other applications, same as yesterday. Are you sure you didn't miss anything? [03:04] I even have the side panel working now, btw. === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:15] lool: oh, ok, thanks. [03:16] agoliveira_brb: i didn't setup a clean chroot [03:17] agoliveira_brb: maybe there are some conflicts? [03:17] agoliveira_brb: or leftover files from last weeks which have not been properly cleaned up? [03:17] i just apt-get install ubuntu-mobile ... and dist-upgraded to get the latest [03:19] agoliveira_brb: btw, i got bug 123003 when doing this on amd64 ... don't looked if the same occured during i386 upgrade [03:21] asac: That's possible. We have being messing with a lot of stuff and perhaps some dependencies are not being updated correctly. I sugest you try with a clean chroot and see what happens. We don't have clean support for 64 bit yet. Maemo code simply is not ready for it and we are going to need a lot of tweaking to do it. [03:22] oh damn ... why can't you package things properly ... setting up a new chroot isn't exactly what i like to do :) [03:22] lets see [03:22] i will remove stuff and look for any leftover [03:23] asac: it's already fixed in bzr [03:23] agoliveira: have you looked at bug 123003 ? [03:23] Mithrandir: what is fixed in bzr? e.g. what is the problem? [03:24] asac: I really don't know if it was your case yesterday I just updated my chroot and it worked. [03:24] asac: 123003 is fixed in bzr. [03:24] agoliveira: what package can i remove to purge everything? [03:24] Mithrandir: ah ok. [03:24] Mithrandir: might that cause problems? [03:24] like crash on startup? [03:24] I doubt it [03:24] k [03:26] asac: Removing hildon-desktop should do the trick for the base packages but the is some data like the themes that you might have to remove manually. [03:27] hildon-desktop doesn't remove anything else :) ... [03:27] apt-get remove libhildon-1-0 libosso1 libhildonwm0 [03:27] looks better [03:27] but stilll i have the feeling that there is something else ... like maemo :) [03:31] ok ... i think i purged everything ... lets install ubuntu-mobile again :) [03:34] agoliveira: which package ships the /etc/hildon-desktop files? [03:35] hildon-desktop right? [03:35] asac: I believe so. [03:35] yes ok ... lets see === chrissturm [n=christop@85.127.251.154] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:40] agoliveira: ok ... now it doesn't crash anymore :) ... but in xephyr window i just see the side bar for less than half a second then all disappaers again [03:40] log is http://pastebin.mozilla.org/111167 [03:41] anyway ... if you don't see it right now ... i will try with fresh chroot [03:41] but not today :) [03:41] asac: it's something in osso-init which fails [03:41] hey guys! what are the target devices for ubuntu-mobile? will it work fine with a n800? [03:42] chrissturm: it's not the initial target, no. [03:42] we're initially targetting intel-based devices [03:42] are devices like that already available? === suihkulokki [i=rvoipio@nat/movial/x-dcb13e31481caf01] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:43] asac: There is a glib message that's new to me too :-/ [03:45] ... ** (hildon-desktop:25339): CRITICAL **: hildon_home_window_set_work_area: assertion `HILDON_IS_HOME_WINDOW (window) && work_area' failed [03:45] that looks definitely critical :) [03:45] chrissturm: Also, the N770 and N800 have some proprietary parts so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for anything but Nokia code into it. [03:45] right after the critical pointer assertion [03:46] hmmm '/bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found' ... then [03:46] ' WARNING **: Failed to initialize libOSSO' [03:46] asac: Yep. [03:46] is that related? [03:46] asac: Let me check mine here. [03:46] i mean does libosso fail because there is no esd [03:46] = [03:46] aahhh [03:47] keyboards [03:47] asac: I don't know, I just pack things here :-D [03:47] libosso init failure is usually because of missing dbus [03:47] tko_: ok is that a problem? [03:47] or just ignorable? [03:48] tko_: I was about to say that! Not fari! :-D [03:48] apps might crash [03:48] s/fari/fair [03:48] agoliveira, you're just packaging things, remember :) [03:48] so how do i make dbus work in my chroot? [03:48] tko_: That's why I wanted to say it ;) [03:49] asac: That's a vewy vewy good question... I didn't worry about it because mine just worked. [03:49] your dbus works? [03:49] or you your hildon desktop? [03:50] asac: I just follow the instructions and it works. I never needed to do anything extra. [03:50] asac: Both [03:50] agoliveira: you don't get the dbus warning? [03:50] in line 11 of my log? [03:51] asac: Nope. [03:52] ok maybe i miss a mount [03:52] lets see [03:55] $ sudo mount --bind /tmp ${DIR}/tmp [03:55] agoliveira: ^^^ why do we need to mount tmp? [03:56] to access the X server [03:56] asac: IIRC, it was something related to the the X sockets [03:56] asac: Just in case ;) [03:56] makes no difference [03:57] i crashes again :/ ... i am out of this for today i guess ;) [03:57] asac: That's really strange. It has to be something there because it's being working fine for several people. [03:58] yes ... its strange ... i still think i have leftover [03:58] from last week [03:58] asac: Why don't you try from scratch? [04:00] because i usually don't accept that i need to wipe a chroot :) just to test latest ... especially since i don't want to develop mobile core , but just browser :/ [04:00] but yes ... i will probably do it [04:00] on monday :) [04:00] agoliveira: I can reproduce the problem here, so it's not just asac. [04:00] and wiping out where the problem might be found is wrong; better to track it down and fix it. === rusty [n=rusty@205.233.54.51] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [04:00] right [04:01] should be a packaging bug if it really works with clean chroot [04:01] Mithrandir: does dbus work for you ? [04:01] or do you get the warning at the beginning as well? [04:01] Mithrandir: I know that, I was suggest trying from scratch on a different chroot to have something to compare with. [04:02] agoliveira: i trust you to tell the truth [04:02] Mithrandir: i see ** (hildon-desktop:25881): DEBUG: Failed to connect to DBUS: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused! [04:02] asac: Why wouldn't I do it? [04:02] at the beginning (line 11 or so) [04:03] agoliveira: i ment i don't have to setup clean chroot to see that it works ... i am sure that it does [04:03] and since my chroot has lots of other stuff installed i cannot really do a diff on a clean install and the one i have right now [04:04] asac: Oh, fine. I tought you were using this one ony for testing UME. That's why I suggested that. [04:04] asac: bingo, restarting dbus in the chroot fixed it for me. [04:04] how do i do that? [04:05] agoliveira: it'll break for you too if you reboot and don't start dbus in the chroot by hand [04:05] and why does it start for agoliveira automagically? [04:05] /etc/init.d/dbus restart [04:05] lets see :) [04:05] I would guess he hasn't rebooted since he bootstrapped the chroot. [04:05] Mithrandir, sorry... just popping in.... about that error: you see that dbus error if you chroot inside a file system that the system dbus is not running or if you did not start a clean environment and the connection to an existing session bus fails [04:05] Mithrandir: rock! [04:05] it works [04:05] Mithrandir: IF I stop dbus indeed the error shows up. [04:05] rusty: yup, we just triaged it down to that now. [04:06] agoliveira: hell ... why didn't you tell me that you start dbus by hand :) ... is that on the wiki page? [04:06] no, it's not. [04:07] Enter the chroot and su - to the user created above. That will start the dbus session. [04:07] asac: that's plain wrong [04:07] that sounds as if its wrong [04:07] ok i will fix [04:07] rusty: does your project builder start dbus in the chroot automatically? [04:07] one complicating factor is that dbus is automatically started with you install the dbus package, so people get a chroot working and don't realize that dbus was started so that they see the problem after rebooting [04:07] asac: Because I didn't! [04:07] Mithrandir, no, not yet... it's one of those things i want to add [04:08] this is why chroots suck. :-P [04:08] but... i do have a wrapper for chroot to stick in all those details so people don't have to remember all the steps [04:08] or part of the reason anyway. [04:08] ok done [04:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure [04:08] though i use schroot ... but i think i people can figure out :) [04:09] Mithrandir: maybe there are hooks to execute something when entering chroot? [04:09] asac: Actually I forgot to remove that reference yesterday. [04:09] he? [04:09] remove? [04:09] i just added something :) [04:10] asac: "Enter the chroot and su - to the user created above. That will start the dbus session." [04:10] ah ... ok ... now it should be more explicit [04:10] Sure [04:10] without that hint there was nothing about dbus at all [04:10] ok fine :) [04:10] lets move ahead ;) [04:11] is it a problem that sapwood-server et al are started everytime i run that startscript? [04:11] i killed them manually for now [04:12] damn ... now i get a bad X window crash when clicking on side bar [04:12] doesn't the sapwood server die with X dies? [04:12] I've put a start-hildon script in the hildon-desktop pacakge [04:12] rusty: it does, yes, but gconfd keeps running [04:12] start-hildon should possibly go on a killing spree before starting anything. [04:13] hmmm on second try it works [04:13] cooollll i have firefox running :) === agoliveira is feeling awfully useless today :( [04:14] asac: I even run openoffice on it. Albeit useless is interesting to see :) [04:14] http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/hildon.png [04:14] why is there such a huge blue area on the left? [04:14] it takes a way precious space here [04:15] that's the status bar :) [04:15] he? [04:15] bug [04:15] it doesn't look that way for me [04:15] fixed in later hildon-desktop versions [04:15] ah :) [04:15] maybe fixed in bzr then [04:15] asac: Are you sure you have a recent hildon-desktop? [04:15] hey i purged and installed ten times in the last 2 hours === tko_ [n=tkomulai@jabber.hst.ru] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] [04:15] asac: This was solved some time ago and mine is fine. [04:16] what package version do you want? [04:16]