[12:58] <asac> ok night
[01:13] <gnomefreak> night
[11:48] <gnomefreak> ok preview archive is back up and running stron
[11:49] <gnomefreak> +g
[12:04] <xlp> hi
[12:04] <gnomefreak> xlp: you can get a working gnash just give me a moment
[12:04] <xlp> well i installed some gnash off of add/remove
[12:05] <gnomefreak> xlp: its not a good working version
[12:05] <xlp> uninstalling lol
[12:06] <gnomefreak> xlp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives?highlight=%28CategoryMozillaTeam%29  go to the bottom of that page and get it or add the feisty repos there and you will get it and a bunch of other upgrades including ff tb and so on
[12:06] <xlp> feisty repos?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> go to that link they are there.
[12:07] <gnomefreak> xlp: we have mozilla testing repos we test for a few reasons most of the packages are stable (havent failed for me or others in a while) but i did just upload new -trunk :(
[12:08] <gnomefreak> brb need coffee and smoke. taking a break from troll aptrol
[12:08] <gnomefreak> patrol*
[12:09] <xlp> hmm
[12:09] <xlp> says error: dependency is not satisfiable: libgnash0
[12:10] <xlp> wait got it i think
[12:14] <xlp> lol
[12:14] <xlp> yeah adobe needs to release flash for linux because gnash and youtube dont work together
[12:15] <xlp> the volume slider, screen options, and timer are all bunched up ontop of each other with no sound =/
[12:15] <gnomefreak> yes they do, just not all videos work with it, im leaning towards its the way they are made or version of flash made with
[12:16] <gnomefreak> xlp: thats a known bug
[12:16] <xlp> so, unless adobe releases 64bit flash, wait until a new gnash update is out?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> xlp: there will be alot of improvments in gutsy
[12:20] <gnomefreak> xlp: we are looking to beable to run 32bit apps like flash and java on 64bit system
[12:20] <gnomefreak> zlake sure you grabbed mozilla-gnash-plugin btw
[12:21] <gnomefreak> xlp: make sure ^^^
[12:21] <xlp> yeah
[12:21] <gnomefreak> asac: you around?
[12:21] <xlp> i grabbed mozilla plugin, libgnash, gnash 0.8.0 and gnash cygnal
[12:21] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[12:22] <gnomefreak> xlp: that should play most of them
[12:22] <xlp> they play, no sound
[12:22] <asac> you probably have the old gnash
[12:22] <asac> are you on feisty?
[12:22] <gnomefreak> asac: good morning, did you find out about the failure of 64 on nspluginwrapper
[12:22] <asac> gnomefreak: yes ... its in manual exception list
[12:22] <gnomefreak> asac: he gt it from you
[12:22] <gnomefreak> asac: cool
[12:22] <asac> unfortunately we (ubuntu admins) don't have the power to change that
[12:22] <asac> as we derive it from debian directly
[12:22] <xlp> im on 7.04 64bit
[12:23] <gnomefreak> asac: is that somehting once tested we add for feisty?
[12:23] <asac> so i have to wait till a debian admin comes around to build it on amd64
[12:23] <asac> :(
[12:23] <gnomefreak> ack
[12:23] <asac> xlp: so which packages do you use?
[12:23] <gnomefreak> debian admin?
[12:23] <asac> gnomefreak: yes ... happily they are employed by canonical :)
[12:23] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:23] <gnomefreak> damn
[12:23] <asac> so hopefully we get something better than the usual 6 weeks response time
[12:24] <xlp> i installed: gnash-cygnal 0.8.0, gnash 0.8.0 cvs, libgnash 0.8.0, and mozilla-plugin gnash 0.8.0
[12:24] <gnomefreak> can only hope.
[12:24] <xlp> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnash-feisty/
[12:24] <asac> ok
[12:24] <asac> can you paste console output of firefox run please?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> there are some videos that dont play (that we know about)
[12:24] <gnomefreak> just not sure why
[12:24] <xlp> im doing a review on ubuntu (latest craze) and i just need to bare essentials working lol
[12:25] <xlp> how? lol
[12:25] <gnomefreak> i hate filing bugs :(
[12:25] <asac> xlp: start firefox from console like:
[12:25] <asac>  # firefox 2>&1 | tee /tmp/firefox.log
[12:25] <asac> then push that somewhere
[12:25] <asac> after gnash failed
[12:25] <gnomefreak> btw LP sucks :(
[12:25] <xlp> # firefox 2>&1 | tee /tmp/firefox.log in terminal?
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: how is that news :)
[12:26] <asac> xlp: yes
[12:26] <gnomefreak> true
[12:26] <gnomefreak> all evening i tried getting my "maintained packages" on my LP but they seem to be everywhere but on my Lp page
[12:26] <xlp> typed that, didnt do anything
[12:26] <gnomefreak> xlp: the # is root console
[12:27] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[12:27] <gnomefreak> you dont type that part
[12:27] <gnomefreak> oh?
[12:27] <asac> ah right :)
[12:27] <gnomefreak> # isnt a command
[12:27] <asac> no its the prompt
[12:27] <asac> :)
[12:27] <asac> yeah
[12:27] <gnomefreak> $?
[12:27] <asac> if you type that ... shell asumes the line is a comment
[12:27] <asac> gnomefreak: # can be root prompt
[12:27] <asac> might be default for ubuntu
[12:27] <asac> but its not for me
[12:27] <asac> i ment it as normal prompt
[12:27] <gnomefreak> no $ is default
[12:28] <asac> xlp: start firefox like above
[12:28] <xlp> tyed that and firefox opened up from terminal
[12:28] <asac> gnomefreak: $ is the default user prompt ... # the root prompt?
[12:28] <asac> xlp: yes
[12:28] <asac> then run gnash
[12:28] <asac> on youtube for instance
[12:28] <asac> and once you are sure it fails kill firefox
[12:28] <asac> and put the log somewhere
[12:28] <gnomefreak> asac: yep
[12:29] <xlp> well
[12:29] <xlp> i killed firefox, i have no log
[12:29] <asac> how comes
[12:30] <gnomefreak> because it doesn open gnash
[12:30] <xlp> wait
[12:30] <gnomefreak> afaik
[12:30] <xlp> i did it again
[12:30] <asac> the file is named /tmp/firefox.log
[12:30] <asac> if you typed the above
[12:31] <xlp> k
[12:31] <xlp> i did it and now terminal starting putting in commands
[12:31] <xlp> closed firefox and where do i grab the log?
[12:31] <xlp> actually
[12:31] <xlp> nvm
[12:31] <xlp> found it lol
[12:33] <xlp> k, what should i do with the logs/
[12:33] <asac> innovate ...
[12:33] <asac> the goal is: i want to take a look at it
[12:34] <asac> how ... thats your choice
[12:34] <asac> but please don't email :)
[12:34] <xlp> ok
[12:34] <asac> remember to name my nick if you want an response
[12:34] <asac> e.g. to summon me in this channel
[12:34] <asac> otherwise i will almost certainly not read :)
[12:35] <xlp> asac, www.specialmoose.com/firefox2.log
[12:35] <xlp> asac, www.specialmoose.com/firefox.log
[12:36] <asac> GThread-ERROR **: file gthread-posix.c: line 261 (): error 'Device or resource busy' during 'pthread_cond_destroy ((pthread_cond_t *) cond)'
[12:36] <asac> my bet is that your sound card is blocked
[12:36] <asac> by some other audio application
[12:36] <asac> be sure to close any
[12:36] <xlp> i have a music plauyer on
[12:36] <asac> yeah ...shut it down
[12:36] <asac> and see if it works then
[12:37] <xlp> nope
[12:37] <xlp> let me take a screenshot
[12:37] <asac> i think the problem is sound ... not video?
[12:38] <xlp> yeah but its muted
[12:38] <xlp> like the volume slider is on the off side
[12:38] <asac> the volume slider is positioned in wrong place
[12:38] <asac> yes
[12:38] <asac> that is known
[12:38] <asac> but that doesn't mute
[12:39] <xlp> oh
[12:39] <xlp> well i closed all the music apps and still no sound
[12:39] <asac> xlp try to restart firefox
[12:39] <xlp> tried
[12:39] <asac> ok
[12:39] <asac> what is in your /etc/firefox/firefoxrc ?
[12:40] <asac> i have
[12:40] <asac> FIREFOX_DSP="none"
[12:40] <xlp> # which /dev/dsp wrapper to use
[12:40] <xlp> FIREFOX_DSP="none"
[12:40] <xlp> # Note that "auto" and "esd" involve the use of esddsp, which
[12:40] <xlp> # is known to be buggy and to make Firefox unstable.
[12:40] <xlp> # See https://launchpad.net/bugs/29760.
[12:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 29760 in flashplugin-nonfree "Sound does not work properly in Flash in firefox" [Low,Fix released] 
[12:40] <asac> thats funny
[12:41] <asac> i mean that there is a comment about flash in it :)
[12:41] <gnomefreak> brb
[12:41] <asac> xlp: try auto ... or esd
[12:41] <xlp> i installed some codecs first time i went to youtube with gnash just installed
[12:41] <asac> yes thats ok
[12:41] <asac> the log doesn't complain about missing codecs
[12:42] <xlp> my soundcard is an audigy but its using alas drivers or something
[12:43] <xlp> asac, how do i log in as root to edit the file?
[12:44] <asac> hmm
[12:44] <asac> xlp: yes
[12:44] <asac> xlp: use
[12:44] <asac> sudo gedit /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[12:45] <asac> xlp: do you have the url of youtube video you are trying?
[12:45] <xlp> im trying any
[12:45] <xlp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkrn6ecxthM
[12:45] <asac> ok works for me
[12:46] <asac> 14094]  02:33:08: ERROR: Unimplemented: edit_text_character: no word wrap
[12:46] <xlp> ok, auto didnt do anything
[12:46] <asac> i am not getting this
[12:46] <xlp> esd crashes firefox
[12:46] <asac> k
[12:46] <asac> stay at none
[12:47] <xlp> heh well that sucks
[12:48] <asac> xlp: please give me:
[12:48] <asac> dpkg -l libgnash\*
[12:48] <asac> and
[12:48] <asac> dpkg -l gnash\*
[12:49] <asac> dpkg -l \*gnash\*
[12:49] <asac> (the output please)
[12:49] <asac> actually the last one
[12:49] <asac> should be enough
[12:49] <asac> xlp: ^^^
[12:49] <xlp> one sec
[12:49] <xlp> let me save this
[12:49] <asac> xlp
[12:50] <asac> paste to http://pastebin.mozilla.org
[12:50] <asac> gnomefreak: who is they?
[12:50] <bluekuja> heya asac :)
[12:50] <bluekuja> asac: dont know why libagg is not available on PTS
[12:50] <bluekuja> e.g version 2.5
[12:50] <xlp> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/111018
[12:50] <xlp> asac, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/111018
[12:50] <gnomefreak> asac: LP
[12:51] <bluekuja> asac: leaving :/ be back later, so I explain you the problem
[12:53] <gnomefreak> asac: ok you said we had a testcase to crash firefox?
[12:53] <asac> gnomefreak: yes ... the one hjmf_ referred to yesterday
[12:54] <asac> gnomefreak: search for Frame
[12:54] <xlp> i may buy a dell with ubuntu lol
[12:54] <asac> in history
[12:54] <xlp> least i know it may be supported
[12:54] <asac> https://launchpad.net/bugs/110212
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110212 in firefox "[FEISTY]  firefox crashed [@nsHTMLContainerFrame::CreateViewForFrame]  [@nsCSSFrameConstructor::BeginBuildingScrollFrame] " [High,Confirmed] 
[12:54] <gnomefreak> asac: ty
[12:55] <asac> xlp: please post your .mozilla/pluginsreg.dat
[12:55] <xlp> wheres that at
[12:55] <asac>  $HOME/.mozilla/pluginreg.dat
[12:55] <xlp> k
[12:56] <xlp> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/111022
[12:56] <xlp> asac, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/111022
[12:56] <gnomefreak> lol it crashed
[12:56] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah
[12:56] <gnomefreak> This problem report does not apply to a packaged program. (/var/chroot/feisty/usr/lib/firefox-trunk/firefox-trunk-bin)
[12:56] <asac> thats the idea
[12:57] <asac> did airbag work?
[12:57] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[12:57] <gnomefreak> i guess i can rebuild without libcurl
[12:57] <asac> hmm
[12:57] <gnomefreak> that was the only thing i got i pasted above
[12:57] <asac> gnomefreak: why do you run from outside of chroot?
[12:57] <asac> that looks wierd
[12:57] <asac> e.g. your path should be /usr/lib/firefox-trunk/firefox-trunk-bin
[12:57] <asac> not with /var/chroot
[12:57] <gnomefreak> asac: i cant right this minute
[12:58] <asac> he?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> give me 20+ minutes
[12:58] <asac> yeah ... starting something that is installed in chroot from outside will pull you in whatever you have in your main system
[12:58] <gnomefreak> because i have moron in +1 and in middle of updates
[12:58] <asac> which probably isn't the airbag build
[12:59] <gnomefreak> asac: give me a few and ill upgrade feisty
[01:00] <asac> xlp: do you use alsa?
[01:00] <asac> or did you do anything special?
[01:00] <asac> for sound?
[01:00] <xlp> yeah, thats what is says in sound
[01:03] <asac> xlp: please open a bug name a video url and attach a firefox.log
[01:03] <xlp> wait
[01:03] <xlp> i fixed it
[01:03] <asac> i have to talk with gnash developers i guess
[01:03] <asac> how?
[01:03] <xlp> i deleted .asoundrc
[01:03] <asac> oh
[01:03] <asac> plesae post a bug
[01:03] <asac> and add that as a workaround
[01:03] <xlp> how?
[01:03] <asac> so i can discuss with upstream
[01:04] <asac> what was in .asoundrc ?
[01:04] <xlp> pcm.card0 {
[01:04] <xlp>     type hw
[01:04] <xlp>     card 0
[01:04] <xlp> }
[01:04] <xlp> ctl.card0 {
[01:04] <xlp>     type hw
[01:04] <xlp>     card 0
[01:04] <xlp> }
[01:04] <xlp> pcm.!default {
[01:04] <xlp> (indent)type plug
[01:04] <xlp> (indent)slave.pcm "surround51"
[01:04] <xlp> (indent)slave.channels 6
[01:04] <asac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+filebug
[01:04] <xlp> (indent)route_policy duplicate
[01:04] <xlp> }
[01:04] <asac> please post a bug there
[01:04] <xlp> thats it
[01:04] <asac> and add both: firefox.log + broken .asoundrc
[01:04] <asac> thanks a lot
[01:05] <gnomefreak> asac: are you breaking gnash again?
[01:05] <asac> use as title: no sound because of .asoundrc
[01:05] <xlp> ill tell you, linux is... well
[01:05] <asac> use as title: no sound on youtube because of .asoundrc
[01:06] <asac> xlp: its not linux ... its the ignorant world
[01:06] <xlp> i think dell needs to really get on top of things and get ubuntu more mainstream
[01:06] <asac> dell is the right step
[01:06] <xlp> because seriously
[01:06] <asac> to stop the ignorance of people out there
[01:07] <xlp> least on windows you have .exe that contain everything, on linux there are too many distro's and its like download lib sudo this blah
[01:07] <xlp> least with osx, they can kind of limit all of it since they own the hardware and only distro
[01:07] <asac> yeah ... please not in this channel
[01:07] <asac> linux/freesoftware will definitly win
[01:07] <xlp> lol
[01:07] <asac> in the long run
[01:08] <xlp> im going to give it a month
[01:08] <xlp> month with no xp
[01:08] <asac> the model is superior ... you can see how well it works even though we have to do everything on our own
[01:08] <asac> imagine if ms would have to implement all hardware drivers on their own
[01:08] <asac> because hardware vendors wouldn't care
[01:09] <asac> and even worse ... once they managed to reverse engineer hardware driver ... hardware vendor just changes a bit because they think its necessary to do innovation in lets say sound chips
[01:09] <asac> which is absolutely ridiculous imo
[01:09] <asac> e.g. try to innovate a chip that costs about 0.01$
[01:10] <asac> to cost 0.0099$
[01:10] <asac> xlp: yes ... are you on amd?
[01:10] <xlp> yeah
[01:11] <asac> k ... i will soon release flashplugin-nonfree in mozilla preview archive for amd64
[01:11] <asac> so stay tuned
[01:11] <asac> again a hack to work around ignorance of adobe
[01:11] <asac> that just don't care :)
[01:11] <xlp> lol prob because of apple
[01:11] <asac> the reasoning is not clear
[01:11] <asac> they refuse to talk with me :)
[01:12] <asac> like most vendors refuse to talk to linux developers
[01:12] <xlp> my money is its due to apple
[01:12] <asac> no idea ... i think its short-sight of management
[01:12] <xlp> theres an adobe guy who sits on the apple board
[01:12] <asac> i mean they release for linux ...finally
[01:12] <asac> might be
[01:13] <asac> anyway ... there business model is fading ... as closed-source for desktops will die ... sooner or later
[01:13] <asac> if not in 5 years it will be in 15 years
[01:13] <gnomefreak> ill brb coffee
[01:13] <xlp> im very impressed with google
[01:13] <xlp> not with their stock valuation but google apps
[01:14] <xlp> all the apps you need on a desktop are available via the internet
[01:14] <asac> xlp: have you filed a bug :)
[01:14] <xlp> kind of makes the desktop irrevelant
[01:14] <xlp> yeah
[01:14] <asac> otherwise you will forget ;)
[01:14] <asac> really ... cool thanks!
[01:14] <asac> i doubt that desktop will become completely irrelevant
[01:14] <asac> though shift to web-applications is good
[01:14] <asac> and is likely to continue for some time
[01:15] <xlp> i can see google releasing/buying a nix distro just for web implementation, that is if apple/google dont merge
[01:15] <xlp> google ceo sits on apple board too lol
[01:15] <asac> xlp: now that it works
[01:15] <asac> can you attach a log as well?
[01:15] <xlp> cra
[01:16] <asac> e.g. call it firefox-good.log
[01:16] <xlp> how can i edit my bug?
[01:16] <xlp> i already submitted one
[01:16] <asac> just go to it
[01:16] <asac> then attach more info
[01:16] <asac> (at the bottom)
[01:16] <asac> you can attach comment or/and attachment
[01:17] <asac> attach attachment and say in comment that its lock of good session
[01:17] <asac> xlp: please attach the bad log as well
[01:17] <asac> i see that you didn't :)
[01:17] <xlp> whats the command to launch firefox and record log?
[01:18] <asac> scroll up :)
[01:18] <asac> firefox 2>&1 | tee /tmp/firefox-good.log
[01:19] <asac> and please attach the broken .asoundrc as well
[01:19] <asac> so:
[01:19] <asac> 1. attach firefox-bad.log
[01:19] <asac> 2. attach .asoundrc
[01:19] <asac> 3. attach firefox-good.log
[01:19] <asac> :)
[01:20] <gnomefreak> brb gonna test feisty -trunk
[01:22] <xlp> gar
[01:22] <xlp> where is the temp file lol
[01:22] <asac> hehe ... in /tmp/
[01:22] <asac> :)
[01:23] <asac> if you are in file picker ... go to top level ... then there is tmp
[01:23] <asac> directory
[01:24] <asac> /tmp/ files get automatically removed on next reboot .. which is why i provided commands that put the logs there
[01:24] <asac> so you don't clutter your disk :)
[01:25] <asac> xlp: ^^
[01:26] <xlp> ok
[01:26] <xlp> its all there now
[01:26] <xlp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/123024
[01:27] <asac> let me see
[01:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123024 in gnash "no sound from youtube" [Undecided,New] 
[01:28] <asac> xlp: thanks a lot ... looks good
[01:28] <asac> if you see comments you don't understand, they are probalby not ment for you :)
[01:28] <asac> if we need info, we will call your name :)
[01:28] <xlp> thank you :D i dont think i would be able to stay on nix for a month without youtube
[01:28] <asac> xlp: but it works :)
[01:28] <xlp> im going to try and use ubuntu for a month
[01:29] <asac> soon you can get adobe flash player
[01:29] <xlp> no youtube would have killed it LOL
[01:29] <asac> ah ok
[01:29] <xlp> good thing it works now
[01:29] <asac> any idea why .asoundrc was there?
[01:29] <xlp> i put it there
[01:29] <asac> why?
[01:29] <xlp> trying to get my 4.1 speakers to work
[01:29] <xlp> only fronts working
[01:30] <asac> what is 4.1?
[01:30] <gnomefreak> !moztest
[01:30] <ubotu> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[01:30] <xlp> read up that you can mimic the front channels for the back
[01:30] <xlp> 4.1 speakers, 2 front 2 back
[01:30] <asac> ah ok
[01:30] <asac> is that a desktop ... or laptop?
[01:30] <xlp> left front, right front, left back, right back
[01:30] <xlp> desktop
[01:30] <xlp> using a soundblaster audigy shit version
[01:30] <xlp> (no special things on it)
[01:31] <asac> how did you find the .asoundrc workaround?
[01:31] <xlp> but yeah, read where asla will read that file and those commands were suppose to duplicate the front for the back
[01:31] <xlp> when you asked if i did anything to my sound, i did only that
[01:31] <asac> yep
[01:31] <asac> its ok ... just wondered how you found this tweak :)
[01:31] <xlp> are there soundblaster drivers or asla the best bet?
[01:32] <xlp> alsa even
[01:32] <asac> i am not really a hardware specialist ... but alsa is the de-facto standard
[01:32] <asac> don't know if anything special exists for soundblaster
[01:33] <asac> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs
[01:33] <asac> which one is your card?
[01:33] <xlp> so, how long you been with nix?
[01:33] <gnomefreak> too long :)
[01:34] <asac> me?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> yep
[01:34] <asac> if i boot windows i get allergic reactions
[01:34] <xlp> yeah
[01:34] <xlp> LOL
[01:34] <asac> actually i don't have windows for 6 years now
[01:34] <xlp> windows isnt bad
[01:34] <asac> i tried it before that to use for 1 year (e.g. to give it a chance)
[01:34] <gnomefreak> i keep it for other people :(
[01:35] <xlp> my winxp install loads faster =/
[01:35] <asac> which will change over time :)
[01:35] <gnomefreak> than feisty?
[01:35] <xlp> my other friend was going to try ubuntu for a month but cant get his wireless card to work
[01:35] <xlp> yeah, its a fresh install of xp
[01:35] <xlp> loads like in 5 secs
[01:35] <asac> yeah same issue ... ignorance of hardware vendors
[01:35] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[01:35] <asac> read the above alsa link
[01:35] <xlp> ubuntu takes like a minute
[01:35] <asac> and the read box
[01:35] <gnomefreak> my xp takes ages to boot
[01:36] <xlp> lol
[01:36] <asac> xp constantly gets slower
[01:36] <asac> which is not the case for linux
[01:36] <xlp> yeah, i dunno why vendors dont open up their stuff
[01:36] <gnomefreak> money
[01:36] <asac> xlp: because they are completely incompetent
[01:36] <asac> and think they have to guard their IP
[01:36] <asac> which is not existant
[01:36] <asac> i mean anyone who seriously wants to get an idea what is going on will be able to reverse engineer
[01:37] <asac> e.g. anyone with enough resources to develop chips
[01:37] <xlp> only gripe i have about linux is its not straight forward (although ubuntu is the best ive seen and its pretty good)
[01:37] <asac> straight forward is just a matter of experience
[01:37] <asac> if i go to windows
[01:37] <asac> i can't do a thing
[01:37] <asac> and start crying for even the most simple tasks
[01:38] <xlp> asac, true lol
[01:38] <asac> really ... people that know something are hardest to convert to linux
[01:38] <xlp> i dont even want to remember the number of times ive installed a driver in winxp and the entire system crashed
[01:38] <asac> because they will not even look for 10 minutes
[01:38] <gnomefreak> ok you still have bug handy (i cant scroll since i logged off
[01:38] <asac> they are just blinded by what they already know
[01:39] <asac> if they seriously looked ... with about 10% of energy they invested to figure out once on windows they will succeed in almost all cases
[01:39] <xlp> only thing that scares me is the compiler my kernel? and searching for damn libraries and such, just give me an all in one (ubuntu thank you and redhat too)
[01:39] <asac> xlp: yes
[01:39] <asac> thats the idea of a distro
[01:39] <asac> you get everything out of the bosx
[01:39] <xlp> and the whole million damn folders
[01:39] <asac> and azillions applications
[01:40] <asac> just ignore them :)
[01:40] <asac> just use your home and desktop folder :
[01:40] <asac> )
[01:40] <xlp> its growing on me lol
[01:40] <xlp> ubuntu that is
[01:40] <asac> ubuntu is growing by every new user
[01:40] <asac> hehe
[01:40] <xlp> haha
[01:41] <gnomefreak> lol # cnaonical would like to pay thier developers
[01:41] <gnomefreak> -# + @
[01:41] <xlp> its pretty good, the apps though kinda look cheesy =/
[01:42] <xlp> one question, ubuntostudio, cant i just download all those apps in ubuntu?
[01:42] <DarkMageZ> xlp, yes you can.
[01:42] <gnomefreak> xlp: yeah the idea of ubuntu-studio is to make one package that grabs the other apps (meta package like ubuntu-desktop)
[01:44] <xlp> so is gnome more popular than kde?
[01:44] <gnomefreak> xlp: its hard to say there is no benchmark on either
[01:45] <gnomefreak> asac: you have bug handy again i lost scroll back when i rebooted
[01:45] <xlp> and how do i add stuff to the panel? i remember seeing a promtp where i could ad cpu loads, etc.
[01:45] <xlp> kinda like widgets
[01:46] <xlp> nvm found it
[01:48] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: can you scroll back and get me link to the bug that was posted about crsahing ffox?
[01:48] <gnomefreak> its not that far iirc
[01:48] <DarkMageZ> 110212
[01:49] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:49] <gnomefreak> bug 110212
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110212 in firefox "[FEISTY]  firefox crashed [@nsHTMLContainerFrame::CreateViewForFrame]  [@nsCSSFrameConstructor::BeginBuildingScrollFrame] " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110212
[01:50] <asac> xlp: those widgets are called panel applets :)
[01:50] <gnomefreak> i dont like this new address bar crap
[01:50] <asac> or for normal users: gnome-panel extensions :)
[01:51] <asac> xlp: gnome rocks ... while kde sucks imo
[01:51] <gnomefreak> i play with kde from time to time
[01:51] <asac> kde tries to mimic windows too much ... and thus fails to generate real innovation
[01:51] <gnomefreak> put perfectly
[01:52] <asac> gnome has a much healthier community and much more momentum
[01:52] <asac> e.g. more developers that have a clue :)
[01:52] <xlp> will nix kill itself over time like winxp ie i could have this install for years on end without having to reinstall?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> good frigging thing this isnt a car crash
[01:52] <asac> xlp: yes
[01:52] <asac> i never reinstall
[01:52] <xlp> hmm
[01:52] <asac> e.g. upgrade like winxp to vista
[01:52] <asac> is just one command
[01:52] <xlp> lol
[01:52] <asac> and you can go on working while upgrade is running
[01:53] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm this isnt good
[01:53] <asac> there are really not much places where windows is superior ... its only hardware support
[01:53] <asac> and maybe office
[01:53] <xlp> yeah i think im turning into a fan now
[01:53] <xlp> haha
[01:53] <gnomefreak> i might be putting sunbird off another day
[01:53] <asac> but given the fact that MS has about 20 years of office know how
[01:53] <asac> this is not questionable
[01:53] <asac> good thing is: at some point they have to release for linux as well :)
[01:54] <asac> e.g. when market share peeks 10% i would say
[01:54] <asac> ... and we saw how fast market share can shift :)
[01:54] <asac> with firefox
[01:54] <xlp> well im impresses, first and last time i installed linux was back when mandrake was the latest craze
[01:54] <xlp> only problem was, nothing i had was supported
[01:55] <asac> actually once windows drops below 90% ... i think ms will collapse because all their business tactics depend on being amonopoly
[01:55] <asac> yeah ... its getting better
[01:55] <xlp> i think osx will be ms's biggest rival
[01:55] <asac> i doubt that
[01:56] <asac> unless something really big happens
[01:56] <xlp> only because you got apple's electronics and software with both windows and nix aoos
[01:56] <xlp> but never know
[01:57] <asac> sure ... the only thing you can be sure of is that freesoftware will ever exist :)
[01:57] <asac> ok ... lunch time
[01:58] <xlp> bed time
[01:58] <xlp> LOL
[02:00] <xlp> ok i want to know who thought 11minute for inactivity for turning the display should be the lowest you can go
[02:00] <xlp> bedtime
[02:00] <asac> no idea :)
[02:00] <asac> night
[02:03] <gnomefreak> who has konq.?
[02:04] <gnomefreak> wtf
[02:19] <gnomefreak> asac: that bug is not a firefox bug konq crashes as well
[02:25] <DarkMageZ> which bug/
[02:29] <gnomefreak> bug 110212
[02:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110212 in firefox "[FEISTY]  firefox crashed [@nsHTMLContainerFrame::CreateViewForFrame]  [@nsCSSFrameConstructor::BeginBuildingScrollFrame] " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110212
[02:30] <gnomefreak> i need an IE test on that
[02:30] <DarkMageZ> opera = no crash
[02:31] <DarkMageZ> could be related to a plugin which is running under konq & firefox
[02:31] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: feisty?
[02:31] <DarkMageZ> yeah
[02:32] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: it cant be
[02:33] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: do you have java in your opera?
[02:35] <DarkMageZ> no java in my opera
[02:35] <DarkMageZ> no java in my system...
[02:36] <gnomefreak> that may be why
[02:37] <DarkMageZ> do you get a nice green page?
[02:37] <DarkMageZ> or do you crash before that?
[02:38] <gnomefreak> green page brb i have something to get done adn than ill test with opera and java
[02:52] <asac> gnomefreak: interseting
[02:52] <asac> e.g. that konq crashes as well
[02:52] <asac> can you try IE ?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> it doesnt fail without java
[02:52] <gnomefreak> i cant
[02:53] <gnomefreak> asac: can you reproduce on 64bit without java
[02:53] <asac> what?
[02:53] <gnomefreak> that crash
[02:53] <asac> ah ... in non debug builds it doesn't always crash
[02:53] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/bugs/110212
[02:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110212 in firefox "[FEISTY]  firefox crashed [@nsHTMLContainerFrame::CreateViewForFrame]  [@nsCSSFrameConstructor::BeginBuildingScrollFrame] " [High,Confirmed] 
[02:53] <asac> try multiple times
[02:54] <gnomefreak> links2 asks to kill script reject or accept if you accept it it gives you a failure but as you know links2 is a bitch to crash
[02:55] <gnomefreak> but it asks that about the javascript that redirects you
[02:55] <gnomefreak> no java == no crash
[02:55] <gnomefreak> installing opera atm
[02:58] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: in opera you just got a while page with dutch on it?
[02:58] <DarkMageZ> yeah
[02:58] <gnomefreak> asac: Een ogenblikje alstublieft...   what is that?
[02:58] <DarkMageZ> but firefox follows the redirect
[02:58] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: and it doesnt crash correct?
[02:59] <DarkMageZ> no crash. no java.
[02:59] <gnomefreak> asac: its directly related to javascript
[02:59] <gnomefreak> or java interpeter
[02:59] <DarkMageZ> javascript = yes
[02:59] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: everyone has script installed by default as its with java1.4
[03:00] <DarkMageZ> yeah, i was just confirming that it was enabled.
[03:01] <gnomefreak> adding java to opera lets see if i get crash
[03:03] <gnomefreak> hmmmm that is bad
[03:03] <gnomefreak> i didnt have java installed
[03:03] <gnomefreak> and it crashed in firefox-trunk
[03:05] <gnomefreak> damn
[03:05] <gnomefreak> asac: im still not convinced its mozilla related
[03:06] <gnomefreak> mozilla has java enabled by default
[03:07] <gnomefreak> my firefox without sun-java packages crash on redirect
[03:08] <gnomefreak> opera does not use any type of java by default and does not crash
[03:10] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: in about:plugins do you have any java listed?
[03:11] <DarkMageZ> under firefox? no
[03:11] <gnomefreak> every 5 minutes a new firefox bug is reported some where in the world
[03:11] <gnomefreak> ^^ fact
[03:11] <gnomefreak> thats now odd
[03:12] <gnomefreak> ack now thats odd
[03:12] <gnomefreak> maybe javascript comes with browser but not opera
[03:16] <gnomefreak> wth is /usr/lib/jvm at
[03:16] <DarkMageZ> javascript is enabled and working in opera.
[03:16] <DarkMageZ> and firefox here
[03:18] <gnomefreak> XSLT processing failed!
[03:18] <gnomefreak> asac: can you translate that into real life terms
[03:19] <asac> he?
[03:19] <gnomefreak> asac: XSLT processing failed!  what is that
[03:19] <asac> its what it reads :)
[03:19] <gnomefreak> XSLT does what? is what?
[03:19] <asac> XSLT processing is to transform XML data to something else
[03:19] <asac> most likely another XML form ... or html
[03:19] <gnomefreak> damnit
[03:20] <gnomefreak> how the hell does java have to do with HTML unless javascript is stopping it from converting
[03:20] <asac> and yes most crashers go away if you disable javascript
[03:20] <gnomefreak> if that is the case i have to blame the site
[03:21] <asac> sites are never a valid candidate to blame a crash on
[03:21] <gnomefreak> sure it is ;)
[03:21] <gnomefreak> cant blame mozilla or gkhtml seeing as khtml fails
[03:22] <gnomefreak> java 1.4 in mozilla you see crash no java at all no  crash install sun-java package and crash in mozilla but not in opera
[03:23] <gnomefreak> cant really blame java on it since other java sites/scripts work fine
[03:23] <gnomefreak> what else is left
[03:25] <gnomefreak> i would really like to see another site that gives same backtrace
[03:25] <gnomefreak> or crash report
[03:25] <gnomefreak> to make me more comfortible calling it a mozilla/html/java issue
[03:42] <gnomefreak> asac: is there something i can use as a templete or a cheat sheet for sunbird?
[03:43] <asac> he?
[03:43] <gnomefreak> i see im gonna have to rebuild everything it wants to remove to install firefox
[03:43] <gnomefreak> asac: for control file and config files and so on
[03:43] <gnomefreak> rules
[03:43] <asac> like what we said yesterday
[03:43] <asac> just branch firefox ubuntu-2.0.0.x as sunbird
[03:43] <asac> and then modify
[03:44] <asac> its a ready to use blueprint
[03:44] <gnomefreak> ok ill look at it when im done here in feisty
[03:54] <gnomefreak> ok ready to start on this, its saved as sunbird-0.5 :)
[03:55] <gnomefreak> asac: is this going in universe?
[03:56] <gnomefreak> asac: ok in control what packages are we building with this, sunbird, lightning, any -dbg packages and so on?
[03:57] <asac> no -dbg packages
[03:57] <asac> for debian yes ... for ubuntu no
[03:57] <asac> but yes its going to universe
[03:57] <asac> maybe lightning will be moved to main at some point
[03:59] <gnomefreak> is it safe to grab build-deps and others from debians sunbird package? or is there somewhere else to look for these
[04:00] <gnomefreak> most look same for deps anyway i havent looked at build-deps yet
[04:03] <gnomefreak> btw you have to update debians unless we do ours than submit it to debian
[04:06] <gnomefreak> only binaries debian builds is sunbird and sunbird-dev :)
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> morning
[04:17] <gnomefreak> morning
[04:17] <Admiral_Chicago> how goes the build?
[04:18] <gnomefreak> asac: are we using cdbs for patches?
[04:18] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: it will be a while
[04:22] <asac> we are using quilt
[04:22] <asac> fortunately cdbs has support for quilt patches
[04:22] <gnomefreak> oh ok that would explain why the folder is cdbs
[04:23] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[04:24] <asac> the folder is cdbs?
[04:24] <asac> what do you mean?
[04:24] <asac> ah you use cdbs-edit-patch or what?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> cdbs-rules is a dir in firefox debian
[04:24] <asac> ah ... yes ... just keep it
[04:24] <asac> its good
[04:24] <asac> its my fix for broken cdbs
[04:24] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[04:24] <asac> so we can do more than the mob
[04:24] <asac> that uses vanilla cdbs
[04:24] <asac> :)
[04:25] <gnomefreak> what do i do with all the firefox.install and all those files? rm them and replace with the right ones?
[04:26] <gnomefreak> by the looks of this almost everything needs to be changed
[04:26] <gnomefreak> im comparing rules files atm just to see differnece and use the config options from sunbirds rles file
[04:31] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[04:31] <asac> bzr mv debian/firefox.install debian/sunbird.install
[04:31] <asac> do that with all files
[04:32] <asac> what rules file from sunbird are you looking at?
[04:32] <asac> my old package from experimental?
[04:32] <asac> gnomefreak ... as a start:
[04:33] <gnomefreak> asac: yes the old one
[04:33] <asac> bzr mv for all debhelper files in debian directory
[04:33] <asac> then replace firefox with sunbird in each of them
[04:33] <asac> after that we can look at rules
[04:33] <asac> can you paste the configure options somewhere?
[04:33] <asac> (sorry i don't have that old package at hand)
[04:33] <gnomefreak> fir ffox or sunbird?
[04:33] <gnomefreak> fir ==for
[04:34] <asac> sunbird configure options i want to see
[04:35] <gnomefreak> heres full rules file (we may need it later)
[04:35] <gnomefreak> oops http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/595396
[04:36] <asac> gnomefreak: ok should be a good start to use those
[04:36] <gnomefreak> i dont see any debhelper files jumping out at me
[04:36] <asac> he?
[04:36] <asac> all firefox.install firefox.dirs firefox.links
[04:36] <asac> same for firefox-dom-inspector ...
[04:36] <asac> et al
[04:36] <asac> all those are debhelper files
[04:37] <gnomefreak> oh i tried doing it with firefox.1 and got error let me see if i can mv rest
[04:37] <asac> firefox.1 is manpage
[04:37] <asac> not debhelper file
[04:37] <asac> probably one of the only not-debhelper files
[04:37] <asac> gnomefreak: :)
[04:37] <asac> keep the manpage for now
[04:38] <gnomefreak> fixed
[04:38] <asac> k
[04:38] <asac> gnomefreak: you want to make use of system nss and nspr
[04:38] <asac> e.g. add the configure options
[04:38] <gnomefreak> ok
[04:38] <asac> otherwise it should be ok
[04:39] <asac> 1. rename firefox.* to sunbird.*
[04:39] <asac> 2. replace all firefox strings inside tose file with sunbird
[04:39] <asac> 3. ... ping me :)
[04:45] <asac> short break
[04:45] <asac> shoulder pain is back
[04:46] <gnomefreak> ok all is renamed
[04:47] <asac> good ... in control as well?
[04:47] <asac> -> do it :)
[04:47] <asac> at best comment out -dom-inspector package for now
[04:47] <gnomefreak> control is gonna be a bitch
[04:47] <asac> gnomefreak: no its not
[04:48] <asac> Source: lightning-sunbird
[04:48] <asac> Package: sunbird
[04:48] <asac> drop firefox-dom-inspector for now
[04:48] <asac> we can readd it if we really want it for sunbird at some point
[04:48] <asac> Package: sunbird-dev
[04:48] <asac> --> done
[04:49] <gnomefreak> remove everything else?
[04:49] <asac> whatelse is there?
[04:49] <gnomefreak> except -dom
[04:49] <asac> he?
[04:49] <asac> no ... remove -dom
[04:49] <asac> keep the rest :)
[04:49] <gnomefreak> ok and dbg and
[04:49] <asac> remove -dbg as well
[04:49] <asac> we just have firefox-dbg for historical purpose
[04:49] <gnomefreak> only keep dev adn sunbird
[04:49] <asac> yeah
[04:49] <asac> and source package is named like above
[04:49] <asac> then add changelog entry
[04:49] <gnomefreak> right
[04:49] <asac> with sourcepackage name
[04:50] <asac> and good version
[04:50] <gnomefreak> and the depends leave alone?
[04:50] <asac> -> done
[04:50] <asac> gnomefreak: for now yes
[04:50] <gnomefreak> k
[04:50] <asac> you might want to drop -dom-inspector from recommends/suggests
[04:50] <gnomefreak> k
[04:53] <asac> am i on?
[04:53] <gnomefreak> yep
[04:54] <asac> ??
[04:54] <asac> oh ... i see Lag: 64 here
[04:54] <asac> in irssi
[04:54] <asac> but didn't see a disconnect
[04:54] <asac> which makes me feel scary
[04:54] <gnomefreak> ok control is done
[04:54] <asac> it reminds me of yesterday ... Lag: xx -> disconnect
[04:54] <asac> tr to reset modem to see if it helps
[04:54] <asac> horror
[04:54] <gnomefreak> that happened to me the other day a bunch of times
[04:58] <gnomefreak> asac: .TH FIREFOX 1 "November 4, 2004" firefox "Linux User's Manual"
[04:58] <gnomefreak> .SH NAME
[04:59] <gnomefreak> firefox - a Web browser for X11 derived from the Mozilla browser
[04:59] <gnomefreak> change all that to sunbird with todays date?
[04:59] <asac_> sun of a bitch
[04:59] <gnomefreak> i didnt do it
[04:59] <asac_> 16:54 < gnomefreak> ok control is done
[04:59] <asac_> 16:54 < asac> great
[04:59] <asac_> 16:54 < asac> gnomefreak: look in rules
[04:59] <asac_> 16:54 < asac> anything that still looks like firefox?
[04:59] <asac_> 16:54 < asac> or didn't you touch rules so far?
[04:59] <asac_> 16:55 < asac> hmm interesting
[04:59] <asac_> 16:55 < asac> gnomefreak: do you really hear me?
[04:59] <asac_> 16:55 < asac> i got reconnected
[04:59] <asac_> 16:55 < asac> but still have same nick
[04:59] <gnomefreak> asac: well i missed something with the firefox-* sunbird*
[05:00] <asac_> of course you didn't
[05:00] <asac_> lets see how long i stay online
[05:00] <gnomefreak> i didnt see any of that after done with control
[05:00] <gnomefreak> im back into the files i moved
[05:00] <asac_> why?
[05:01] <asac_> ah you missed something
[05:01] <gnomefreak> becasue you said to replace all ff strings with sunbird
[05:01] <asac_> work precisely
[05:01] <asac_> that will safe us lots of time finding wierd issues later
[05:01] <asac_> yeah firefox-* -> sunbird-*
[05:01] <gnomefreak> well sunbird.1 has a bunch of crap to replace in it
[05:01] <asac_> so my instruction was valid, right?
[05:02] <asac_> gnomefreak: sunbird.1 is manpage
[05:02] <asac_> keep it untouched
[05:02] <asac_> we have to rewrite later anyways
[05:02] <gnomefreak> asac: oops rename it firefox.1
[05:02] <asac_> just rename for now
[05:02] <asac_> the file itself
[05:02] <asac_> he?
[05:02] <asac_> either keep it as firefox.1 ... or rename to sunbird.1
[05:02] <asac_> but don't replace anything inside
[05:02] <gnomefreak> ok its renamed already
[05:02] <asac_> actually ... rename file to sunbird.1 is good
[05:02] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:02] <asac_> fine
[05:03] <asac_> don't bother about content of that file
[05:03] <asac_> the other files matter more: like firefox.install, .links .dirs
[05:03] <asac_> and firefox-dev.*
[05:03] <asac_> those need to be renamed and content replaced
[05:03] <asac_> e.g. firefox -> sunbird inside
[05:03] <gnomefreak> .links failed to rename
[05:03] <asac_> no
[05:03] <gnomefreak> yes
[05:03] <asac_> please think a bit
[05:03] <asac_> the file is not named .links
[05:03] <asac_> of course
[05:03] <asac_> look whats inside debian/
[05:04] <gnomefreak> firefox.links failed to rename
[05:04] <asac_> why?
[05:04] <gnomefreak> it didnt want to?
[05:04] <gnomefreak> hold on
[05:04] <asac_> if firefox.links exist ... it should be renamed
[05:04] <gnomefreak> bzr: ERROR: Could not rename firefox-links => sunbird-links: debian/firefox-links is not versioned
[05:04] <asac_> and it definitly can be renamed with bzr move
[05:04] <asac_> yeah
[05:04] <asac_> you see the problem?
[05:04] <asac_> look close
[05:04] <gnomefreak> it has /debian
[05:04] <gnomefreak> but i didnt
[05:04] <asac_> no
[05:05] <gnomefreak> oh
[05:05] <gnomefreak> -
[05:05] <gnomefreak> damnit
[05:05] <asac_> look at how the filenames look like
[05:05] <asac_> exactly
[05:05] <asac_> :)
[05:05] <gnomefreak> fixed
[05:05] <asac_> good ... move on
[05:05] <asac_> replace content in it
[05:05] <asac_> then rename next file ... and so on
[05:05] <gnomefreak> all files renamed
[05:06] <asac_> good ... content replaced as well?
[05:06] <gnomefreak> that part done, wait a min
[05:07] <gnomefreak> now would be a great time to know sed
[05:07] <asac_> gnomefreak: yeah ... exersize it next time
[05:07] <asac_> editor should provide you with find and replace as well
[05:07] <asac_> so sed should not be needed
[05:07] <asac_> e.g. in vi you could do: ':s/firefox/sunbird/g'
[05:08] <asac_> in gedit there should be a menu entry
[05:08] <gnomefreak> i like
[05:08] <gnomefreak> gedit does it
[05:09] <gnomefreak> asac_: what about sunbird.png.uu
[05:10] <asac_> remove it
[05:10] <asac_> should not be needed
[05:11] <asac_> if its needed we can add later
[05:11] <asac_> afaik that is the "free" icon
[05:11] <gnomefreak> k
[05:11] <asac_> which we will need for debian
[05:11] <asac_> so maybe keep it :)
[05:11] <asac_> but for that we need a whole branding directory
[05:11] <asac_> like for iceape/icedove
[05:11] <asac_> so lets deal later withit
[05:12] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:18] <gnomefreak> ok all the files i renamed have sunbird instead of firefox in them
[05:18] <gnomefreak> i added the config to rules and kept --enable-official-branding and --with-sys-nss and nspr
[05:24] <gnomefreak> k
[05:25] <gnomefreak> did i need to  do more in rules? all i did was the config options
[05:32] <gnomefreak> asac: you still connected?
[05:32] <asac> yeah
[05:32] <asac> gnomefreak: is there firefox somewhere named?
[05:32] <asac> in rules?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> dont know ill look
[05:33] <asac> yeah please look
[05:33] <gnomefreak> yes
[05:34] <gnomefreak> rename them i guess
[05:34] <gnomefreak> debian/firefox.cfg lines
[05:34] <gnomefreak> ack theres more
[05:35] <gnomefreak> it looks fairly safe to replace with sunbird
[05:36] <gnomefreak> replaced
[05:37] <asac> good
[05:37] <asac> rename firefox.cfg file as well then
[05:37] <asac> what other places did you replace?
[05:37] <gnomefreak> already did
[05:37] <asac> gnomefreak: probably show me an bzr diff debian/rules
[05:37] <asac> so i can see whats going on :)
[05:37] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:39] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/595542
[05:43] <gnomefreak> you have got ot be kidding me
[05:43] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... commmit locally
[05:43] <asac> then give it a bzr bd spin locally
[05:43] <asac> (you can uncommit later to fix things and properly document before you publish)
[05:44] <asac> so ... don't publish ... just commit to build with bzr bd --merge .
[05:48] <gnomefreak> installing build-deps atm
[05:48] <gnomefreak> will try spin soon
[05:54] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[05:55] <gnomefreak> asac: Exporting to ../build-area/firefox-2.0.0.4+2 in merge mode
[05:55] <gnomefreak> Looking for ../tarballs/firefox_2.0.0.4+2.orig.tar.gz to use as upstream source
[05:55] <gnomefreak> why is it looking for firefox
[05:56] <gnomefreak> oh damn nvm
[05:56] <asac> gnomefreak: changelog
[05:56] <asac> you need to add a new entry
[05:56] <asac> read above
[05:56] <asac> remember that source package name is lightning-sunbird
[05:56] <asac> and upstream version 0.5
[05:57] <asac> gnomefreak: ah you probably found .)
[05:57] <asac> good
[05:57] <gnomefreak> (0.5-0ubuntu1)?
[05:57] <gnomefreak> since no debian version?
[06:03] <bluekuja> asac: back
[06:03] <bluekuja> :)
[06:03] <bluekuja> I was saying before
[06:03] <asac> ok ... i have meeting now ... then out :/
[06:03] <asac> gnomefreak: right
[06:04] <gnomefreak> ok im building
[06:04] <gnomefreak> well fixing
[06:04] <bluekuja> asac: oh k
[06:06] <asac> i will write a mail btw
[06:06] <asac> bluekuja: maybe help gnomefreak packaging sunbird a bit :)
[06:07] <gnomefreak> its pretty much done
[06:07] <asac> he is currently making great progress :)
[06:07] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:07] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... i mean in case there happen to be problems :)
[06:07] <bluekuja> asac: mail for MOTU?
[06:07] <gnomefreak> once past config i can go get lunch
[06:07] <asac> yes
[06:07] <bluekuja> daniel suggested you to do it
[06:07] <bluekuja> ?
[06:07] <gnomefreak> can i start pulling patches?
[06:07] <bluekuja> maybe for other MC members
[06:07] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:07] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, need help?
[06:07] <bluekuja> I'm here :)
[06:08] <gnomefreak> not really im just wondering what patches we *have* to keep
[06:08] <bluekuja> :)
[06:08] <bluekuja> which patch system are you using?
[06:08] <bluekuja> quilt?dpatch?
[06:09] <gnomefreak> quilt
[06:09] <bluekuja> cool
[06:10] <gnomefreak> if i comment out in series that will work for now right?
[06:10] <gnomefreak> it will skip patch
[06:10] <bluekuja> if you comment it out
[06:10] <bluekuja> yes
[06:20] <gnomefreak> its gonna fail on most of these patches
[06:20] <bluekuja> y?
[06:20] <gnomefreak> they are firefox patches
[06:21] <gnomefreak> so anything ubuntu firefox related its gonna fail
[06:21] <bluekuja> oh :)
[06:21] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:21] <bluekuja> you might check them
[06:21] <bluekuja> before building
[06:22] <gnomefreak> commenting them out for the time being to see if it does build
[06:22] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:22] <bluekuja> sounds good
[06:22] <gnomefreak> once it builds i can go back and fix or remove
[06:22] <bluekuja> yup
[06:43] <asac> there shouldn't be  patches that don't apply :)
[06:44] <bluekuja> asac: I was right?
[06:44] <asac> about what?
 daniel suggested you to do it
 ?
 maybe for other MC members
[06:44] <asac> yes
[06:44] <bluekuja> ;)
[06:44] <asac> he won't decide alone ... so.
[06:45] <bluekuja> yup
[06:45] <asac> gnomefreak: does it spin?
[06:45] <gnomefreak> i dont know yet
[06:45] <gnomefreak> i commenting out patch by patch
[06:45] <gnomefreak> when i get all patches that fail #'ed out we will know
[06:46] <gnomefreak> grrrr
[06:46] <gnomefreak> its safe to comment all ubuntu-look-and-feel patches right?
[06:47] <asac> yeah ... arent those dropped?
[06:47] <asac> which ones do you have?
[06:47] <asac> e.g. what revision?
[06:47] <asac> bzr?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> no we didnt do patches yet
[06:47] <asac> i mean ... i dropped most patches lately
[06:47] <gnomefreak> i just pulled 66 i have to push it again
[06:47] <asac> for official firefox
[06:47] <asac> gnomefreak: no don't push
[06:48] <asac> work locally until it works
[06:48] <gnomefreak> not push sorry commit
[06:48] <asac> ah ok
[06:48] <asac> gnomefreak: did the merge remove some patches?
[06:48] <gnomefreak> no
[06:48] <gnomefreak> we didnt go over them
[06:48] <asac> k
[06:48] <asac> most should apply
[06:48] <gnomefreak> build-system-garbage.patch bz343360-feed-flat-chrome-fix.patch - bzXXX-wl-no-as-needed-for-libxpcom-lp85112.patch
[06:49] <gnomefreak> and the ubuntu-look-and... ones failed so far
[06:49] <asac> k ... safe to drop them for now
[06:49] <asac> which ones?
[06:49] <asac> debian/patches/ubuntu-look-and-feel-disable-help-translate-menu.patch -> drop
[06:50] <gnomefreak> yes
[06:50] <gnomefreak> failed
[06:50] <asac> ubuntu-look-and-feel-home-folder.patch -> empty ... actually its removed from bzr afaik
[06:50] <asac> a wrong
[06:50] <gnomefreak> nope it wasnt
[06:50] <asac> gnomefreak: only those are enabled in bzr:
[06:50] <asac> ubuntu-disable-welcome-update-url.patch
[06:50] <asac> ubuntu-look-and-feel-report-a-bug-menuitem.patch
[06:50] <asac> ubuntu-look-and-feel-patch-fix-bookmarks-ubuntu-urls.patch
[06:50] <asac> ubuntu-look-and-feel-disable-help-translate-menu.patch
[06:51] <asac> ok drop all for now
[06:51] <asac> those 4
[06:51] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/595717
[06:52] <gnomefreak> the ones # are what i disabled
[06:52] <asac> if you have more ubuntu-* in series you probably are not in sync with my bzr tree
[06:52] <gnomefreak> i just pulled it last night
[06:52] <gnomefreak> did you change anything since
[06:57] <bluekuja> asac: which meeting now?
[06:57] <asac> mobile
[06:57] <bluekuja> oh cool
[06:57] <bluekuja> thought tech board
[06:57] <bluekuja> that's at 21
[06:59] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: that on july 3rd
[07:02] <asac> gnomefreak: i am sure you get sunbird build  when i return in 4 hours right?
[07:02] <gnomefreak> i hope so
[07:02] <asac> you rock :)
[07:02] <gnomefreak> depends how long a lunch i take
[07:03] <asac> i guess maybe it will fail during install
[07:03] <asac> (e.g. after build)
[07:03] <asac> but that we can figure out as well then
[07:03] <gnomefreak> yep
[07:03] <asac> ok ... i pack my things now
[07:03] <asac> moving to other city
[07:03] <asac> cu later
[07:03] <gnomefreak> have fun
[07:03] <asac> hehe fun ... like traffic jam
[07:04] <asac> and kamizkaze drivers on the autobahn
[07:04] <asac> i hate it
[07:04] <gnomefreak> i dont blame you
[07:04] <asac> blame?
[07:04] <asac> that i hate it?
[07:04] <asac> anyway ... got to go :-D
[07:04] <asac> cu later
[07:05] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, ah yeah
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> red_herring: did you look at those apport hooks yet
[07:06] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, where did he go?
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: if you have time, red_herring is a python guru and is looking to help, talk to him
[07:08] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, mobile meeting already finished?
[07:09] <gnomefreak> asac is gone for the next 4+ hours
[07:09] <bluekuja> so meeting is finished
[07:09] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: not sure maybe sprint week?
[07:09] <bluekuja> dunno
[07:10] <gnomefreak> nope
[07:10] <gnomefreak> nothing gutsy related that i know of until july 5th
[07:18] <bluekuja> lol
[07:20] <gnomefreak> it failed on something else
[07:20] <gnomefreak> all patches are done failing
[07:20] <gnomefreak> OPTFLAGS = -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing
[07:20] <gnomefreak> endif
[07:21] <gnomefreak> cant have -fno-strict-aliasing
[07:21] <gnomefreak> should i drop the full OPTFLAGS = -02 line
[07:26] <gnomefreak> were gonna have to patch that if we want -dbgsym
[07:26] <gnomefreak> oh well lets see what happens
[07:48] <gnomefreak> this is becoming a PITA very very fast
[07:49] <gnomefreak> *warning* dont ever think firefox rules file will work in anything else
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> grr, a bit busy with house work, won't be around too much toda
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> be back in ~3 hours
[08:06] <gnomefreak> IMHO this isnt worth it :(
[08:08] <gnomefreak> asac: is gonna be pissed
[08:08] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:08] <gnomefreak> configure: error: These compiler flags are invalid:  --with-system-nspr
[08:09] <gnomefreak> now i have to leave it for now since he wants it built using nss and nspr
[08:22] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: i sent asac email about it since it failed on something he wants to keep, i gave him all info that i have atm, if he comes back and im not here let him know to check @ubuntu.com address for email.
[08:38] <bluekuja> asac: leaving, tell me when mail has been sent
[08:38] <bluekuja> cu later
[08:38] <bluekuja> :)
[11:31] <gnomefreak> asac: you make it back yet?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> it would be nice if easy codec only ran once and got everything
[11:54] <asac> yeah
[11:54] <asac> i know ... its what i suggested as an improvement in my announcement
[11:54] <asac> so what is going on with configure?
[11:54] <gnomefreak> ah i cant build with --with-system-nss btw im sure nspr will fail as well
[11:55] <asac> hmm
[11:55] <gnomefreak> it was --without-system-nss in debians rules file
[11:55] <asac> yeah
[11:55] <asac> so what patches did you need to drop?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> all the ones on that pastebin link
[11:56] <gnomefreak> 10 or so of them
[11:56] <gnomefreak> all ubuntu-* patches #
[11:56] <gnomefreak> all ubuntu-* patches bz343360-feed-flat-chrome-fix.patch
[11:56] <gnomefreak> # - bzXXX-wl-no-as-needed-for-libxpcom-lp85112.patch
[11:57] <gnomefreak> bz384304_lp117575_linkrecursion_fix_in_startscript.patch
[11:57] <asac> ok
[11:57] <gnomefreak> and build-sys-garbage
[11:57] <asac> looking at it it loogs
[11:57] <asac> looks ok
[11:57] <asac> build-sys garbage is not that important anymore
[11:57] <gnomefreak> i didnt like hacking the rules file that much like now no -dbgsym packages will build
[11:58] <asac> hmmm yes ... you have to use --disable-strip
[11:58] <gnomefreak> knew for most part what everything did but it gets icky
[11:58] <asac> and -g
[11:58] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:58] <asac> -g ... look where -g was in firefox rules
[11:58] <gnomefreak> should i add it back or leave it for now?
[11:58] <asac> (e.g. its not a configure option)
[11:58] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:58] <asac> no add it back
[11:58] <gnomefreak> oh?
[11:58] <asac> use --disable-strip (e.g. not --enable-strip)
[11:58] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:59] <asac> what was the OPTFLAGS thing?
[11:59] <asac> did you keep it?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> else OPTFLAGS -02 -fno-strict-aliasing caused a fail to build
[12:00] <asac> hmmm ... can you paste the rule please
[12:00] <asac> rules
[12:00] <gnomefreak> something like there is no -fno-strick-aliasing config option
[12:00] <asac> i have no access atm :(
[12:00] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/595876
[12:00] <gnomefreak> or in here?
[12:00] <asac> OPTFLAGS += -g as they were failing
[12:00] <asac> that is important to keep
[12:00] <gnomefreak> it was
[12:00] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:00] <asac> actually those OPTFLAGS section you need
[12:01] <asac> it shouldn't cause any problem
[12:01] <gnomefreak> -g was no config option
[12:02] <asac> no ... gnomefreak please readd the if ... OPTFLAGS ... else ... OPTFLAGS things
[12:02] <asac> it is definitly needed
[12:02] <asac> how did it look like in the beginning?
[12:02] <asac> let me see in bzr browse code
[12:03] <gnomefreak> from?
[12:03] <asac> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~asac/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x/annotate/asac%40jwsdot.com-20070625082649-8nltqam3bs1uzwya?file_id=rules-20070321172126-hx4btlytc64jyo4n-23
[12:04] <asac> we definitly need that else branch
[12:04] <asac> e.g. line 23 - 25
[12:04] <asac> and line 27
[12:04] <asac> is important as well
[12:04] <gnomefreak> it failed on it
[12:04] <gnomefreak> i added them back
[12:04] <asac> na ... then you maybe added a whitespace or something
[12:04] <asac> its nothing that can make the build fail
[12:05] <gnomefreak> -fno-strict-aliasing failed than -O2failed
[12:05] <gnomefreak> couldnt have whitespace i didnt touch rules before that
[12:05] <gnomefreak> than -g failed
[12:05] <asac> i don't see how you tink that -g failed
[12:05] <asac> what did it asy?
[12:06] <asac> i mean -g cannot fail
[12:06] <asac> :)
[12:06] <gnomefreak> -g not a configuration option
[12:06] <asac> gnomefreak: ah i see
[12:06] <asac> ok
[12:06] <asac> look at line
[12:06] <asac> 71
[12:06] <gnomefreak> on mine o ryours?
[12:06] <asac> you see the --enable-optimize there?
[12:06] <asac> in bzr link
[12:06] <asac> i pasted
[12:06] <asac> we need that form
[12:06] <gnomefreak> frig that one too
[12:06] <gnomefreak> yeah i see it
[12:07] <gnomefreak> i removed the " and the trailing \ from it
[12:07] <asac> --enable-optimize=\$(OPTFLAGS) \ ... (thats what was in sunbird debian)
[12:07] <asac> --enable-optimize="-pipe -w $(OPTFLAGS)" \
[12:07] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:07] <asac> thats what we want
[12:07] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:07] <asac> otherwise configur ewill really fail with -g is not a valid config option
[12:07] <gnomefreak> yeah
[12:07] <asac> ... that is probably also the reason why system-nss and system-nspr failed
[12:08] <gnomefreak> oh so try them again?
[12:08] <asac> e.g. configure got confused due to that broken --enable-optimize
[12:08] <asac> yeah
[12:08] <asac> yes
[12:08] <asac> keep --with-system-xxx
[12:08] <asac> and just replace the --enable-optimize stuff
[12:09] <gnomefreak> what about the -fno... failure
[12:09] <asac> thats the same reason
[12:09] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:09] <asac> you can keep it
[12:09] <asac> if you fix --enable-optimize
[12:09] <gnomefreak> yep
[12:09] <asac> further we want a few more from firefox rules:
[12:09] <asac> -enable-pango \
[12:10] <asac> --enable-postscript \
[12:10] <asac> #
[12:10] <asac> #
[12:10] <asac>  ups
[12:10] <asac> --enable-xft \
[12:10] <asac>  --enable-xinerama \
[12:11] <asac> --enable-gnomevfs \
[12:11] <asac> maybe even --enable-libthai \
[12:11] <asac> just add all these
[12:11] <asac> and spin
[12:11] <asac> -enable-pango \ ... is of course:
[12:11] <asac> --enable-pango \
[12:12] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:12] <asac> if you see that there is a --disable for any of these ... drop it
[12:13] <asac> and we need:
[12:13] <asac> --disable-xprint \
[12:13] <bluekuja> heya
[12:13] <asac> --disable-strip \
[12:13] <asac> --disable-strip-libs \
[12:13] <bluekuja> asac: was asking you before about libagg
[12:13] <asac>  --disable-updater \
[12:13] <bluekuja> Unstable 	2.4+20060719-3
[12:13] <bluekuja> still old version
[12:13] <bluekuja> dont understand why
[12:14] <asac> gnomefreak: so lots todo
[12:14] <asac> bluekuja: packages.qa.debian.org has probably issues
[12:14] <asac> yeah ... :)
[12:14] <asac> gnomefreak: actually we should have kept firefox configure options
[12:14] <bluekuja> oh :D
[12:14] <asac> maybe replace them again with the one from firefox
[12:14] <asac> and just change:
[12:14] <asac> --enable-application=browser \
[12:14] <asac> to
[12:14] <asac> --enable-application=calendar \
[12:14] <bluekuja> asac: should be synced in ubuntu too?
[12:15] <asac> and drop:
[12:15] <asac> -enable-system-myspell \
[12:15] <asac> --enable-svg \
[12:15] <asac> --enable-svg-renderer=cairo \
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: you think you can do that?
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: and add :) :
[12:16] <asac> --enable-storage \
[12:16] <asac> --enable-plaintext-editor-only \
[12:16] <asac> ... that should be all
[12:16] <asac> :-D
[12:16] <asac> bluekuja: hmm
[12:16] <asac> at some point definitly
[12:16] <bluekuja> ok
[12:16] <bluekuja> we'll see
[12:16] <gnomefreak> you want me to add back firefoxes confiure?
[12:17] <asac> yes
[12:17] <asac> drop the if ... else for system-cairo below
[12:17] <asac> e.g. line 88 - 95
[12:17] <asac> those don't make sense
[12:17] <asac> for sunbird
[12:18] <gnomefreak> k
[12:18] <asac> bluekuja: can you get it in debian?
[12:19] <asac> is it in packages.debian.org?
[12:19] <bluekuja> asac: nope
[12:19] <bluekuja> only armel and kfreebsd
[12:19] <bluekuja> 2.5-1: armel kfreebsd-amd64
[12:19] <bluekuja> this is really strange
[12:19] <asac> hmm
[12:19] <asac> yeah
[12:20] <asac> is it in NEW?
[12:20] <bluekuja> nope
[12:20] <asac> sure?
[12:20] <bluekuja> let me see again
[12:20] <bluekuja> nope
[12:20] <bluekuja> it's not in NEW
[12:20] <bluekuja> it got accepted
[12:21] <bluekuja> and it builds correctly too
[12:21] <bluekuja> http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=agg
[12:21] <bluekuja> b
[12:21] <bluekuja> *but
[12:21] <asac> bluekuja: have you tried to get it?
[12:21] <bluekuja> trying now
[12:21] <asac> e.g. in sid by apt-get install libagg-dev ?
[12:21] <asac> if that works ... then don't bother
[12:22] <bluekuja> trying with chroot
[12:22] <bluekuja> now
[12:22] <asac> topic on #d-d says: PARTIALLY FUCKED: BTS
[12:22] <bluekuja> ^^
[12:22] <asac> so maybe thats related
[12:23] <asac> bluekuja: you are not in #debian-devel :)
[12:23] <bluekuja> :D
[12:23] <bluekuja> I'm in 5 channels
[12:23] <bluekuja> of OFTC
[12:23] <asac> not even in #ubuntu-devel :/
[12:23] <bluekuja> yup
[12:23] <asac> k
[12:24] <asac> then it has a line
[12:24] <asac> thought you didn't know about oftc
[12:24] <bluekuja> :)
[12:24] <bluekuja> I'm on quite a lot of debian channels
[12:26] <bluekuja> asac: libagg-dev 2.5-1 [511kB] 
[12:26] <asac> good ... then don't bother
[12:26] <bluekuja> Setting up libagg-dev (2.5-1)
[12:26] <bluekuja> works
[12:26] <asac> they almost certainly will know
[12:26] <bluekuja> yeah
[12:26] <bluekuja> some problems
[12:26] <asac> and will fix the website ... at some point
[12:26] <asac> :)
[12:26] <bluekuja> yup
[12:26] <bluekuja> :)
[12:27] <gnomefreak> ok lets find out its been commited
[12:27] <asac> hehe
[12:27] <asac> yeah :)
[12:28] <asac> gnomefreak: actually you are really committed :)
[12:28] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:28] <asac> at least that is my perception