[12:45] superm1 solved it :) [12:45] solved what? [12:45] the picture interlacing [12:45] overlaying and flickering [12:46] it was the teletext option enabled [12:46] oh [12:46] i've heard that to cause issues for people [12:46] disabled it and got a perfect picture :) [12:46] yeah [12:46] ah, you're not using a full PAL/NTSC capture resolution? [12:47] laga dunno? :p got analog cable with the pvr 150 card [12:47] kruuli: PAL or NTSC? [12:47] superm1 havent done that noobguide today .. got stuck with this .. promise ill do it later this weekend [12:47] laga pal [12:49] use 720x576 in your recording profile then.. AFAIK, teletext will break otherwise [12:49] dunno if it'd fix your issue, though [12:49] just making uneducated guesses :) === MegaQuark__ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:49] dude we're on wikipedia! [12:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythbuntu [12:49] haha [12:51] nice === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:58] Daviey, any news today before you run off to bed the next hour or two? [01:01] Ahh superm1, you return! [01:01] Daviey, i've been here the last 3 hours :) [01:01] i pinged you before [01:01] So you have... :/ [01:01] er at least said your name to responding to your question [01:02] right erm [01:02] Where can i find the dev scripts? [01:02] which devscripts? [01:03] exactly [01:03] better answer: what are they for? [01:03] ./update [01:03] you need germinate [01:03] thats it [01:03] i thougth [01:04] if ! which dch >/dev/null; then echo >&2 "please install devscripts" [01:04] oh [01:04] apt-get instal devscripts [01:04] apt-get install devscripts [01:04] how have you been writing changelogs without those!? [01:04] <3 dch [01:05] erm, manully [01:05] yuck [01:05] dch ftw [01:06] didn't know there was a tool :s [01:06] always wondered how/why people where so accurate with the seconds [01:06] :) [01:06] and how did you sign packages? [01:06] dch -v [01:06] without debsign? [01:09] you'll likely need to commit your changes for the seeds before running update though (unless you changed it to a local server for now) [01:11] Right; i've got tommorow afternoon off work... so now i have all the tools; i'll finish it tommorow :) [01:13] great [01:13] ideally i'd like to announce alpha 2 monday [01:13] reckon it's ready for a big announcement? [01:13] so by tomorrow night have things ready to go [01:13] test as much as possible this weekend [01:14] and then mirror sunday [01:14] get a torrent of it made [01:14] and announce monday morning [01:14] yep, but shall we keep it a low key anouncment [01:14] ? [01:14] i'm fairly confident on the installer [01:14] its come a long way [01:14] yeah, it's great... I tried it the other day [01:14] good work [01:14] thx :) [01:15] and after alpha 2 is announced, we need to speak lirc and mythbuntu control centre stuff [01:15] and get a timeline put on them [01:16] i've only got one-three more pieces I want to see in the installer post alpha 2 at this point [01:17] I was thinking; would it be worth looking at gnome-control-centre [01:17] either that or even the new compiz control center [01:17] have you tried it yet? [01:17] nope [01:18] its come a long way, and has a very gnome control center feel [01:18] but with settings integrated very well [01:18] hopefully it's dynamic modules that load at runtime [01:18] that would be awesome!! [01:20] dont know how it works, but its slick either way. likely better then a first run pygtk app [01:25] Daviey, i'm gonna run home in a few min, anything else before i take off? [01:25] should be it [01:25] alrighty, cya then [01:25] drive safe.. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:11] keescook, is it allowed to use sed to modify a configuration file in a postinst if you ask the user before you do it? [02:11] (and) record their choice so you can run the reverse on it when you are done? [02:11] superm1: I'm not sure -- I would imagine so since you asked. [02:12] perhaps i better poke in #debian-mentors before I add this then [02:12] nn! [02:12] wouldn't hurt. :) === MegaQuark_ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:18] keescook, for future reference, they said its alright as long as its asked. don't revert it though when postrm'ing [02:47] well actually i poked a little closer. its not valid still [02:48] the only way your allowed to modify conf files [02:48] is via binaries shipped with the ther package [02:48] the other package's postinst === MegaQuark__ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-55-232.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === luckyone [n=hidden@CPE-65-28-7-102.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:21] I am trying to get the mythbuntu cd to boot on my pc with no success === luckyone [n=hidden@CPE-65-28-7-102.kc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === OpenMedia [n=sellis@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [+o superm1_] by ChanServ === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [requested] === mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [-o superm1_] by ChanServ === OpenMedia [n=sellis@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jason__ [n=jason@75.62.251.134] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:36] hello all, i got a [06:37] *question [06:38] i recently got a new geforce 6200 to help run hd content smoother on my myth system, and the cpu is still under heavy load and can sometimes cause choppy playback [06:38] ive been looking around for tips to get mythtv to use my video card and improve performance, but i still have problems. [06:40] ive got a amd athlon 2500+ with a gig of ram. the cpu while watching recorded (non-transcoded) tv is usually around 60-80%, while watching live tv, or recording and playing back tv at the same time, my cpu usage is 80-100% === MegaQuark_ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === rogue780 [n=rogue780@c-68-55-176-33.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === rogue780 [n=rogue780@c-68-55-176-33.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:34] jason__, you saw my responses before i lost my connection right? === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FEF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MegaQuark__ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugol1 [n=jo@89.129.130.97] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugol1 [n=jo@89.129.130.97] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.130.97] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === anodesni [n=folkert@82-171-154-147.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:18] Hi [02:18] I have a xdtv question [02:18] when I record with xdtv [02:19] the record audio source at 'volume control manager' in ubuntu is set to line in recording [02:19] but my audio source for the tv is cd recording [02:20] so my recordings don't have sound [02:20] what's your question? [02:20] unless I manually set the switch 'CD recording' on at the volume control manager [02:22] so how can I prevend xdtv from switching the audio recording source to line in recording? [02:23] do you realize that this channel is about a PVR software called "MythTV"? you'd better talk to the xdtv developers or support groups [02:23] yes I now [02:23] but xdtv doesn't have a IRC channel [02:23] and i've tried on forums, but they don't respond [02:24] How is the audio source for recordings handled in mythtv? [02:25] you set it up yourself in the mixer [02:25] and the mixer is part of mythtv? [02:26] no, it's part of the system. think alsamixer or kmix [02:26] So mythtv doesn't select the audio source for you? [02:27] no. you have to select the audio source manually [02:27] ok [02:28] maybe you can modify the code of xdtv [02:28] I'm not a programmer [02:28] Maybe I just install Mythtv [02:28] does xdtv indeed reset the capture source or does your setting just not presist across reboots? [02:29] you don't have to be a programmer, maybe it's just a simple setting in the source code [02:29] no, xdtv sets the capture source to line in [02:29] whenever you start a recording [02:29] hm [02:30] i wonder if you could fix that in alsamixer -V capture, but i doubt it [02:30] i'm not terribly familiar with audio capturing on linux [02:30] my TV cards just give me a MPEG2 stream :) [02:31] well there is a workaround [02:31] I can put a jack plug in my audio out of my tv card to my line in of my sound card [02:31] But the quality sucks [02:32] Well, I gotta go, thanks anyway [02:32] good luck :) === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:24] laga: he was here yesterday as well, but he had no sound then [03:24] he's still wasting his time in here, IMHO === kruuli [n=perssons@c-bcb772d5.013-36-73746f51.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:17] superm1: ping-a-ding [04:17] morning Daviey [04:17] oh goody; you're here === n4LR [n=n4LR@mail.trinityvideo.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:48] good afternoon Daviey and superm1 [04:48] mornin keescook [04:48] mornin kruuli [04:49] i have yet another question! (iknow it never ends!) .. lets say i wanna extract files to a destination only root can extract to .. if i use steam roller it only says i dont have permission how do i solve that? [04:50] i know the command gksudo nautilus that gives me a root window .. but seems like there should be a more simple solution [04:52] hey kruuli [04:53] GUI means i think that's the only way [04:53] Are you using gnome? [04:56] yeah gnome [04:56] what do you mean by "GUI means"? [04:56] graphical user interface? :> [04:58] sorry, i mean.. if you want to use a GUI then you're pretty stuck with needing gksudo to gain root privs [04:58] what you can do tho is use a nautilus 'script' [04:58] that could automate it somewhat === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FEF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:01] mornin' :) [05:02] Daviey ah ok .. well its not that big of a deal thanks :) [05:03] mornin keescook === anodesni [n=folkert@82-171-154-147.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Daviey needs to dash.. be back in 2hrs [05:06] . === EcHeLoN [n=folkert@82-171-154-147.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:11] Hi, I would like to install a combined mythtv frontend/backend and use the machine as regular desktop. Do you think my PC meets the system requirements? My specs are: AMD AthlonXP 2000+, 512mb DDR, Geforce 5500 128mb, 80gb harddrive and tv card: pctv stereo from pinnacle. It doesn't have a hardware mpeg2 decoder. [05:15] Nobody help me? [05:15] what do you plan to view HD or SD [05:16] SD [05:16] You should be fine [05:16] ok tnx [05:17] anyone use dreamweaver? [05:17] I have a remote control for my tv card. Can I use it with mythtv? It is a rf remote [05:18] What remote? [05:18] euhh [05:19] it's from Medion [05:19] any numbers on it? [05:19] well [05:19] Medion: RF remote control [05:19] tgm4883 yeah some [05:19] p/n: 20016398 [05:20] FCC ID: B4S20016398 [05:20] CE 05 [05:20] it's a RC from X10 [05:20] kruuli, do you happen to know how to fix this http://test.weilandhomes.com/homesforsale/sunnysideridge/flicker/index.html [05:22] EcHeLoN, it looks like it will work, but I can't read the page cause it's in german [05:23] ok tnx [05:23] EcHeLoN, looks like the atiusb module [05:24] are you following the community guide? [05:24] should I download that module [05:24] your using tables for those pictures? [05:24] no, are you following the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty [05:24] kruuli, yea [05:25] is that bad [05:25] no [05:25] Ok thanks for your help [05:25] any stylesheets involved? [05:25] EcHeLon, Hope your using this guide for your install https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV [05:25] yea [05:25] ok [05:26] yea 1 css [05:26] I fixed the bottom part of the problem, but the top row is still like that. [05:27] Is there a better way to do my desired effect than using a table? I just wanted 3 colums [05:27] hard to say by just looking at it .. what happens if you try to move it down? [05:28] Nothing happens, i have tried moving it down a few times, both the table, and the contents of each columns (In the first row) [05:28] I haven't tried making an empty first row though [05:29] are you doing that in the code or in the design tab of DW? [05:29] design tab [05:29] If I could code it i'd be using gedit :) [05:30] [05:30] If it matters there is also a locked page template that each page uses and 1 editable area [05:30] use that? [05:30] you are using that [05:31] set the align in % instead [05:31] im no pro but if you do that it should be dynamic and you can try your way until it fits nicley [05:31] or you could just put the table in a layer [05:32] that whould be the easiest way [05:32] Ok, 1 question [05:32] just realized its a table in a table (did the main template awhile ago) [05:33] so the 746 is for the template table and that should be a percentage? [05:35] yeah try that first .. otherwise put it in a layer [05:37] ok, thanks === Obeah [n=Obeah@66.249.38.48] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:42] Is there an alternative to Zap2it? === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:55] DaveMorris, was that correct metauml_lib? [05:55] is what you were referring ot [05:59] latex-metauml is prob a better name [05:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/123073 [05:59] Launchpad bug 123073 in Ubuntu "Package "UML for LaTeX/MetaPost"" [Undecided,New] [06:00] after we announce alpha 2 sure [06:00] shouldn't be too much trouble [06:00] which is when? [06:00] Monday is the plan [06:01] installer stuff is ready to go, just need the meta finished up from Daviey and we're set [06:05] DaveMorris, who was it that we needed to host a torrent? [06:06] or who was it that mentioned the name before, tgm4883 was it you? [06:10] popey in #ubuntu-uk, get Daviey to ask him [06:11] I suggest we host the iso's off the site, and just host the md5sum and torrent files on the site [06:12] superm1, i just made the torrent and put it up at work, it was all tracked by linuxtracker.org i think [06:14] What tracker does popey host them through? === tgm4883 shrugs [06:15] if we can host them through the ubuntu trackert wouldn't that be preferable? [06:15] if that's what popey uses [06:15] that would be preferable [06:17] tgm4883, will you be around Sunday? [06:17] I dont think I need to make the torrent this time though, it was pretty easy [06:17] oh okay [06:17] what's required to do so? [06:18] I made it with azaraus, but if you want to do it from the command line there is software preinstalled [06:18] btcompletedir [06:18] do that in terminal, pretty easy from there [06:18] you just need the announce directory [06:18] as in the announce URL [06:18] that will be hosting it? [06:18] whoops [06:18] yea [06:18] sec [06:19] so you need to know ahead of time what the tracker will be before its generated then [06:19] yea [06:20] you should just be able to do it with btcompletedir "announce url" "file to share" [06:21] once you have the url first [06:23] once its submitted how soon do you jump in for seeding it? [06:23] for like linuxtracker? [06:24] well once the torrent is submitted, how do the first seeds get started? [06:24] its pretty much as soon as you submit it I think. on linuxtracker it takes a few minutes to show up on their page, so you may have to wait for it to show up [06:24] either way its pretty quick [06:25] so you put the files your were going to use in the download location, and then just start start your bt client app? [06:25] (to be a first seed) [06:26] If you move the torrent files after you create the torrent, when you start your torrent to seed you will have to point it to the right dir [06:27] and if we get the iso first through the website or wherever, we can add seeds pretty quickly [06:27] okay, what is the diff between btdownloadcurses and btdownloadheadless then? === tgm4883 shrugs [06:28] i did it all through azarus [06:28] if you have that installed, id use it [06:28] well i do, but this will all be done on pegasus too [06:28] which is headless [06:28] heres the quick quide from linuxtorrents [06:28] pegasus? [06:29] oh, mythbuntu.org [06:29] its hostname is pegasus [06:29] ah [06:29] so mythbuntu.org is also going to be a seed? [06:29] i was thinking thats the most ideal way to go [06:29] so this is what you want to do [06:29] cap its bandwidth to say 70mbps up or something? [06:30] and then add it as a seed [06:30] you only want to create the torrent on 1 machine [06:30] right [06:30] and then just upload the torrent file and the iso [06:31] oh wait, you knew that, you were asking a different question === frego_ [n=rjam@71-217-165-186.blng.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:31] anyone in here know how to tell what version of knoppmyth my box is? [06:31] frego_, not so sure, #knoppmyth is probably the best bet [06:31] I thought it was an environment variable $knoppmythversion? [06:32] we do things significantly different [06:32] i would guess that the difference between the btdownloadcurses and btdownloadheadless is that one returns you to the command line and runs in the background [06:32] in mythbuntu [06:32] so perhaps the best way is to to the curses version in screen so i can watch stats [06:32] as i ssh in [06:32] superm1> ty! [06:33] your guess is as good as mine [06:33] is the iso hosted off the same machine as the torrent will seed? [06:33] imbrandon, ping. What do you think is the best way to go about it for the release. Pegasus being a seed? [06:33] yes [06:34] probably just add a .htaccess [06:34] to the iso directory [06:34] when we announce [06:34] We have no other mirrors? [06:34] well someone mirrored it for us before [06:34] true [06:34] but i dont know who that was [06:34] We should shoot that guy a message [06:35] if pegasus is helping seed it though, it will work out a lot better i'd think [06:35] I saw it listed on digg, so maybe we can email him through there [06:35] yea thats a good idea [06:35] i'll look it up [06:35] could you shoot him a mail and see if he would be able to [06:35] do you remember the mirror? [06:35] http://mirror.polorix.net/Mythbuntu/mythbuntu-7.04%7E070603-i386.iso [06:37] dont know if we saw this, but its mythbuntu news http://www.hydrapinion.com/index.php/play/2007/06/08/p0 [06:37] from june 8th [06:38] anyone have gtalk? [06:38] yea we did spread across far areas of the web [06:38] everyone with gmail has it :) [06:38] i have no gmail [06:39] well i mean that anyone who has a gmail account has a google talk account automatically [06:39] polorix@gmail.com, i'll still send him an email unless someone wants to see if he's on [06:39] i think email is a better way either way [06:39] so as to not put him on the spot [06:40] ok, ill send it [06:40] sweet, my gmail account is still open from 04 [06:41] are we talking hosting for alpha 2? [06:41] yes [06:41] the ISO will be generated either friday or saturday [06:41] for release on? [06:41] monday [06:43] superm1, whats your email [06:43] superm1@ubuntu.com [06:43] or superm1@mythbuntu.org [06:43] either will work [06:44] I'm going to shoot this to you first, I aways feel like what i write isn't very good and a quick onceover always help [06:46] superm1, ygm [06:47] also just realized, it would probably look better comming from a mythbuntu.org address rather than my weilandhomes.com address [06:47] sure i'll shoot it off then [06:47] thanks [06:47] make any changes necessary [06:47] k [06:48] just let me know so i can improve [06:48] i'll cc you on it [06:48] thanks [06:48] gotta run, coffee time, back in 30 [06:48] k [06:49] i can now stream my recordings over mythweb \o/ :D [06:50] kruuli, what did you install? [06:50] mythstream? [06:50] nah mythflash [06:50] mythflash? [06:50] yeah [06:50] the one in trunk? [06:50] http://chiefhacker.com/2007/01/22/streaming-mythtv-from-mythweb-using-flash/ === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:53] well that looks pretty neat [06:53] did the ffmpeg on medibuntu have mp3lame support? [06:54] no gotta solve that [06:54] got no sound atm [06:54] ah, so do you have medibuntu repo added then right now? [06:54] or going to try that as an option [06:54] dunno what mediabuntu is :p [06:55] !medibuntu [06:55] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [06:55] cool . sudo apt-get mediabuntu? [06:55] see the site [06:55] they detail how to set things up === n4LR [n=n4LR@mail.trinityvideo.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:06] someone should package mythflash for ubuntu [07:07] rogue780, problem is that it need ffmpeg with mp3lame support [07:10] anyway, it might be something nice to have for mythbuntu. has there been any thought put into making mythbuntu specific repositories? [07:11] well there is one already [07:11] eh? [07:11] but a stipulation of the acknowledgment of us was to make sure all changes are committed upstream [07:11] (ubuntu) === frego_ [n=rjam@71-217-165-186.blng.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:24] wtf .. the user www-data (apache) needs to have access to mythtv recordings .. ive added www-data to group mythtv and ive opened up the folder for every user and it still complains it cant write to it :o [07:25] worked before the restart :/ === MegaQuark_ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:37] superm1 medibuntu did the trick :) [07:38] got sound now on my flashmovies [07:38] mythflash was actually real nice .. watching fullscreen is np [07:55] how is the quality? [07:57] and how long does re-encoding take? [07:57] (on the fly?) [08:02] superm1: you want me to test the alpha2 before hand to make sure there are no stupid bugs again! [08:03] encoding is not that fast [08:03] but you can start watching before its done [08:03] quality is ok [08:14] superm1, forgot to tell you one thing about making the torrent in azaurus [08:16] It wouldn't make it for me if i did just the file, had to put it in a directory then torrent the directory, but it made torrents for every directory it found, so I had to put in in two directories (ie desktop/mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu.iso [08:19] tgm4883 did you manage to solve the homepage issue? [08:19] yea, although i took a different approach for now [08:19] cool [08:19] it must have something to do with my css [08:20] as soon as i removed the hyperlinks from the pictures it cleaned right up [08:20] Although now that i see the layer thing I may go that route in the future === KaaK [n=Kevin@ip68-103-108-5.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [09:00] yeah layers is the shit :) [09:04] superm1: you actually got ./update working? [09:05] Daviey, haven't tried :) [09:05] seeds weren't ready [09:05] doh [09:06] i had to make http;//myth'/files/seeds/gutsy a bzr branch [09:07] why? [09:07] that's what germinate wants [09:07] why not add it to the exisitng branch? [09:07] thats silly [09:08] silly germinate [09:08] well the seed list needs to be a bzr branch.. [09:08] could be a mythbuntu LP branch [09:08] ah [09:08] [i386] Loading seed lists... [09:08] * Fetching branch of http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/seeds/gutsy/ [09:09] seed_base needs to be a branch [09:09] well so it could be a LP branch [09:09] would a LP branch would make more sense? [09:09] yeah, i'll leave it as is atm.. then fix it last [09:09] LP would make more sense [09:09] k [09:12] DaveMorris, yes please do test alpha 2 before hand [09:12] as soon as we have the ISO generated [09:12] i'll let you knbow [09:13] DaveMorris: are you gonna build the am64 iso? [09:13] he'll need a 64 bit ubiquity first [09:13] ah [09:13] i'll have to see if i can get that built [09:14] will the be problamatic merging i386 to am64 ubiquity? [09:14] na it shouldnt be [09:14] no arch specific changes in my patch [09:15] have you been able to draw a .patch file from your changes comapred to upstream? [09:18] I'm gonna install gutsy debootstrap on pegasus.. that won't cause probs? [09:20] i have a patch done via debdiff [09:20] its already on there [09:20] all of these ISOs have been done via gutsy debootrstrap [09:20] its roughly 5k lines [09:20] erm [09:20] the patch [09:21] and applies cleanly without breaking any of their stuff right now [09:21] its against their bzr branch, not the release version [09:21] I just installed gutsy debootstrap as germinate was whinging it was an old version [09:21] well there might have been a "newer" debootstrap [09:21] then the one i put on pegasus already [09:21] but the one on there was a gutsy [09:22] ah okay, i just updated it then [10:32] superm1: i am awesome [10:36] Daviey, you are awesome [10:36] now is it working ;)? [10:38] getting there [10:39] just need to work out how to make 2 repo's co-exisit [10:39] like which two? [10:39] actually.... problem [10:39] mythbuntu's and ubuntu's [10:39] oh... [10:39] because not all our packages are in yet [10:39] but if we want this package in ubiverse then it can't include any packages that are in mythbuntus [10:40] okay. atm there are only two on mythbuntu.org that are needed. leave them out for now [10:40] all the stuff in mythbuntu's is eventually getting into universe, but not yet [10:40] the two that arent in yet are [10:40] gtk2-engines-mythbuntu [10:40] and ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu [10:40] we can just manually install them for now, and later on add them as dependencies [10:40] can we not try and get one uploaded this we? [10:41] weekend? [10:41] well i got gtk2-engines-mythbuntu uploaded [10:41] its just not ack'ed yet [10:41] by the ubuntu archive admins [10:41] and the ubiquity patch, i'm waiting on the installer team to ack it === majoridiot [n=majoridi@74-141-134-199.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [10:41] so in an effort to get this through - leave them out [10:42] majoridiot, we're releasing alpha 2 this weekend [10:42] sunday the ISOs should be generated [10:42] very good [10:43] any final testing to do? [10:43] yes there will be [10:43] i have some time tomorrow [10:43] tomorrow and sunday [10:43] might be able to test later sunday afternoon if needed [10:44] okay just be on when you can, and i'll ping and let you know when things are ready [10:44] i'm uploading my last set of ubiquity changes later tonight [10:44] k [10:45] just email me a link to the iso and i'll grab it first thing [10:45] will do [10:47] right, now i feel 100% comfortable with meta's [10:47] yah! [10:48] so what packages did you propose the other day [10:48] Daviey, glad you figured it out :) [10:48] mythbuntu-live [10:48] and mythbuntu-standalone [10:48] really shouldn't have taken this long! [10:48] a few lines of comments / documentation would have saved hours [10:48] just the two packages? [10:51] just the two [10:51] what should be in standalone? [10:51] live installs everything on in the build script [10:51] standalone takes out anything live related [10:51] ubiquiyt [10:51] casper [10:51] etc [10:51] okay [10:52] so effectively apt-get remove mythbuntu-live && apt-get install mythbuntu-standalone [10:52] ? [10:52] well mythbuntu-live will depend on mythbuntu-standalone the way i see it [10:53] mythbuntu-live is more of a clean way to do the disk build [10:53] and mythbuntu-standalone ensures that "most" of the packages that you need for the box to be working are there [10:53] but then removing *-live will try and remove *-standalone? [10:53] or that can be held i suppose [10:54] okay, that seems logical [10:55] but stuff like mythtv-frontend and ubuntu-mythtv-frontend should only be in live [10:55] and mythtv-backend [10:55] because they won't be present on all machines [10:55] whereas mythtv-common will [10:56] yep [10:56] any other packages you can think of? [10:56] vlc, mplayer, xine [10:57] samba [10:57] openssh-server [10:57] so currently standalone only consits of mythtv-common? [10:57] well mythtv-common, and ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal [10:57] and gdm [10:57] and mythbuntu-gdm-theme [10:57] yeah [10:57] and probably lots of others that i cant think of offhand [10:58] the exact details can be worked out later, at very worst if your not sure, leave in mythbuntu-live [10:58] once i push this into the repo, editing will be easy [10:58] yes [10:58] luckily by doing it this way, not only is editting easy, but its imm reflected in an easy to represent way in the builds [10:59] true [11:00] you saw the stuff i have in preinst/postinst right? [11:00] ideally to keep merges easy i would likemythbuntu-live to depend on ubuntu-live [11:00] whyda reckon? [11:01] didn't even know there was an ubuntu-live [11:01] let me see whats in it [11:01] yeah [11:01] malimonc@waluigi:~$ apt-cache depends ubuntu-live [11:01] W: Unable to locate package ubuntu-live [11:01] where is it? [11:01] pastebin? [11:02] i dont see it anywhere in apt [11:02] it's not [11:02] it seems it doesn't actually get created [11:02] but it is a seed [11:02] so you propose making a third package called ubuntu-live? [11:02] that we can depend upon [11:03] or just a seed [11:03] no use the seed ubuntu-live [11:03] okay lets see whats in it [11:03] pastebin is fine [11:03] (i just dont want to increase the ISO size significantly from unnecessary stuff) [11:04] http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/seeds/mythbuntu.gutsy/live [11:04] oh [11:04] no we don't want that; it includes ubuntu artwork [11:04] and gnome language packs [11:04] scrap that idea [11:07] brb [11:08] we do need those other things though, xfsprogs, jfsutils [11:08] didn't even consider that [11:08] and ntfsprogs [11:22] Daviey, i'll brb. i'm running to the dealer to grab my car. Should be back within the next 30-50 min. === jasonbuntu [n=jason@75.62.251.134] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:59] any mythtv pros in here? ive got a amd athlon 2500+ with a 1gig of ram and a geforce 6200 and am having trouble getting smooth hdtv playback. [12:01] been trying lots of tips and tricks and still nothing gets perfect playback. recorded shows can play back fine, but live tv and/or watching a recording while recording something else does not run smooth at all [12:01] ive seen systems with lower processors that say they get great playback. [12:02] this is s frontend/backend combo system [12:07] Sorry jasonbuntu, we don't have HD in the UK yet [12:07] so i have no experience with HD livetv [12:07] ;-( [12:07] ok thanks [12:07] Have you tried #mythtv-users [12:07] ? [12:10] trying now, thanks [12:10] jasonbuntu, did you enable xvmc? [12:11] yeah, and even changed the xvmc conf to use the nvidia dll... it reduces cpu usage, but causes bad audio/vido lag [12:12] Well I don't think your getting it to run smooth without it on that processor [12:13] I could almost* do it on my 2000+ with xvmc [12:13] ;-( yeah, thats what i was afraid of... [12:13] I would look into what was causing the a/v lag and see if it is fixable [12:14] I'm not sure the system requirements for just recording HD, as it is already compressed. But if you have the resources you might try recording on a different computer and playing back on the 2500+ [12:14] yeah, im guessing so far that it is the mobo bus speeds, ive been playing with audio and video jitter bug fixes and nothing takes it away completely [12:15] Is it just lag or is it randomly jittery? [12:15] you checked dma is on? [12:15] hard to say [12:15] hmm [12:15] not really, lag would just mean that the audio (or video) is constantly a certain number of seconds behind the other [12:16] dma may be the issue, never played with that on this computer, not sure if ubuntu set it on be default [12:16] while jittery would be smooth playing, but every once in a while it would hiccup [12:16] well, its brief pauses randomly created, and when im using xvmc, it even happens on SD content [12:16] yeah, so its jittery [12:16] hmmm [12:17] did you overclock your video card? [12:18] nope, stock [12:18] hmm [12:18] what speed agp? [12:19] 8x [12:19] hmm [12:20] well it sounds like a problem with the xvmc. I assume you've installed the 3d driver for your vid card? [12:20] yeah, the latest nvidia drivers [12:20] did you turn interlace on? [12:21] do you have commercial flagging on or off during recording [12:21] sorry, deinterlace [12:21] i set the flagging and transcoding to only run at odd hours so it doesnt interfere with my recording [12:21] and commercial flagging while recording is off [12:23] hmm === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.130.97] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [12:23] sounds to me like you've done everything right and that xvmc isn't acting right with your video card [12:23] hmm [12:23] :( [12:26] with the standard xvmc library the cpu usage is 80-100%, with the nvidia one it is 60-80%, but the jitters appear more frequently [12:27] yeah, this is pretty annoying ;-(