[12:45] <kruuli> superm1 solved it :)
[12:45] <superm1> solved what?
[12:45] <kruuli> the picture interlacing
[12:45] <kruuli> overlaying and flickering
[12:46] <kruuli> it was the teletext option enabled
[12:46] <superm1> oh
[12:46] <superm1> i've heard that to cause issues for people
[12:46] <kruuli> disabled it and got a perfect picture :)
[12:46] <kruuli> yeah
[12:46] <laga> ah, you're not using a full PAL/NTSC capture resolution?
[12:47] <kruuli> laga dunno? :p got analog cable with the pvr 150 card
[12:47] <laga> kruuli: PAL or NTSC?
[12:47] <kruuli> superm1 havent done that noobguide today .. got stuck with this .. promise ill do it later this weekend
[12:47] <kruuli> laga pal
[12:49] <laga> use 720x576 in your recording profile then.. AFAIK, teletext will break otherwise
[12:49] <laga> dunno if it'd fix your issue, though
[12:49] <laga> just making uneducated guesses :)
[12:49] <superm1> dude we're on wikipedia!
[12:49] <superm1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythbuntu
[12:49] <superm1> haha
[12:51] <laga> nice
[12:58] <superm1> Daviey, any news today before you run off to bed the next hour or two?
[01:01] <Daviey> Ahh superm1, you return!
[01:01] <superm1> Daviey, i've been here the last 3 hours :)
[01:01] <superm1> i pinged you before
[01:01] <Daviey> So you have... :/
[01:01] <superm1> er at least said your name to responding to your question
[01:02] <Daviey> right erm
[01:02] <Daviey> Where can i find the dev scripts?
[01:02] <superm1> which devscripts?
[01:03] <Daviey> exactly
[01:03] <superm1> better answer: what are they for?
[01:03] <Daviey> ./update
[01:03] <superm1> you need germinate
[01:03] <superm1> thats it
[01:03] <superm1> i thougth
[01:04] <Daviey> if ! which dch >/dev/null; then echo >&2 "please install devscripts"
[01:04] <superm1> oh
[01:04] <superm1> apt-get instal devscripts
[01:04] <superm1> apt-get install devscripts
[01:04] <superm1> how have you been writing changelogs without those!?
[01:04] <laga> <3 dch
[01:05] <Daviey> erm, manully
[01:05] <superm1> yuck
[01:05] <superm1> dch ftw
[01:06] <Daviey> didn't know there was a tool :s
[01:06] <Daviey> always wondered how/why people where so accurate with the seconds
[01:06] <Daviey> :)
[01:06] <superm1> and how did you sign packages?
[01:06] <laga> dch -v
[01:06] <superm1> without debsign?
[01:09] <superm1> you'll likely need to commit your changes for the seeds before running update though (unless you changed it to a local server for now)
[01:11] <Daviey> Right; i've got tommorow afternoon off work... so now i have all the tools; i'll finish it tommorow :)
[01:13] <superm1> great
[01:13] <superm1> ideally i'd like to announce alpha 2 monday
[01:13] <Daviey> reckon it's ready for a big announcement?
[01:13] <superm1> so by tomorrow night have things ready to go
[01:13] <superm1> test as much as possible this weekend
[01:14] <superm1> and then mirror sunday
[01:14] <superm1> get a torrent of it made
[01:14] <superm1> and announce monday morning
[01:14] <Daviey> yep, but shall we keep it a low key anouncment
[01:14] <Daviey> ?
[01:14] <superm1> i'm fairly confident on the installer
[01:14] <superm1> its come a long way
[01:14] <Daviey> yeah, it's great... I tried it the other day
[01:14] <Daviey> good work
[01:14] <superm1> thx :)
[01:15] <superm1> and after alpha 2 is announced, we need to speak lirc and mythbuntu control centre stuff
[01:15] <superm1> and get a timeline put on them
[01:16] <superm1> i've only got one-three more pieces I want to see in the installer post alpha 2 at this point
[01:17] <Daviey> I was thinking; would it be worth looking at gnome-control-centre
[01:17] <superm1> either that or even the new compiz control center
[01:17] <superm1> have you tried it yet?
[01:17] <Daviey> nope
[01:18] <superm1> its come a long way, and has a very gnome control center feel
[01:18] <superm1> but with settings integrated very well
[01:18] <Daviey> hopefully it's dynamic modules that load at runtime
[01:18] <Daviey> that would be awesome!!
[01:20] <superm1> dont know how it works, but its slick either way.  likely better then a first run pygtk app
[01:25] <superm1> Daviey, i'm gonna run home in a few min, anything else before i take off?
[01:25] <Daviey> should be it
[01:25] <superm1> alrighty, cya then
[01:25] <Daviey> drive safe..
[02:11] <superm1> keescook, is it allowed to use sed to modify a configuration file in a postinst if you ask the user before you do it?
[02:11] <superm1> (and) record their choice so you can run the reverse on it when you are done?
[02:11] <keescook> superm1: I'm not sure -- I would imagine so since you asked.
[02:12] <superm1> perhaps i better poke in #debian-mentors before I add this then
[02:12] <kruuli> nn!
[02:12] <keescook> wouldn't hurt.  :)
[02:18] <superm1> keescook, for future reference, they said its alright as long as its asked.  don't revert it though when postrm'ing
[02:47] <superm1> well actually i poked a little closer.  its not valid still
[02:48] <superm1> the only way your allowed to modify conf files
[02:48] <superm1> is via binaries shipped with the ther package
[02:48] <superm1> the other package's postinst
[04:21] <luckyone> I am trying to get the mythbuntu cd to boot on my pc with no success
[06:36] <jason__> hello all, i got a
[06:37] <jason__> *question
[06:38] <jason__> i recently got a new geforce 6200 to help run hd content smoother on my myth system, and the cpu is still under heavy load and can sometimes cause choppy playback
[06:38] <jason__> ive been looking around for tips to get mythtv to use my video card and improve performance, but i still have problems.
[06:40] <jason__> ive got a amd athlon 2500+ with a gig of ram.  the cpu while watching recorded (non-transcoded) tv is usually around 60-80%, while watching live tv, or recording and playing back tv at the same time, my cpu usage is 80-100%
[07:34] <superm1> jason__, you saw my responses before i lost my connection right?
[02:18] <anodesni> Hi
[02:18] <anodesni> I have a xdtv question
[02:18] <anodesni> when I record with xdtv
[02:19] <anodesni> the record audio source at 'volume control manager' in ubuntu is set to line in recording
[02:19] <anodesni> but my audio source for the tv is cd recording
[02:20] <anodesni> so my recordings don't have sound
[02:20] <laga> what's your question?
[02:20] <anodesni> unless I manually set the switch 'CD recording' on at the volume control manager
[02:22] <anodesni> so how can I prevend xdtv from switching the audio recording source to line in recording?
[02:23] <laga> do you realize that this channel is about a PVR software called "MythTV"? you'd better talk to the xdtv developers or support groups
[02:23] <anodesni> yes I now
[02:23] <anodesni> but xdtv doesn't have a IRC channel
[02:23] <anodesni> and i've tried on forums, but they don't respond
[02:24] <anodesni> How is the audio source for recordings handled in mythtv?
[02:25] <laga> you set it up yourself in the mixer
[02:25] <anodesni> and the mixer is part of mythtv?
[02:26] <laga> no, it's part of the system. think alsamixer or kmix
[02:26] <anodesni> So mythtv doesn't select the audio source for you?
[02:27] <laga> no. you have to select the audio source manually
[02:27] <anodesni> ok
[02:28] <laga> maybe you can modify the code of xdtv
[02:28] <anodesni> I'm not a programmer
[02:28] <anodesni> Maybe I just install Mythtv
[02:28] <laga> does xdtv indeed reset the capture source or does your setting just not presist across reboots?
[02:29] <laga> you don't have to be a programmer, maybe it's just a simple setting in the source code
[02:29] <anodesni> no, xdtv sets the capture source to line in
[02:29] <anodesni> whenever you start a recording
[02:29] <laga> hm
[02:30] <laga> i wonder if you could fix that in alsamixer -V capture, but i doubt it
[02:30] <laga> i'm not terribly familiar with audio capturing on linux
[02:30] <laga> my TV cards just give me a MPEG2 stream :)
[02:31] <anodesni> well there is a workaround
[02:31] <anodesni> I can put a jack plug in my audio out of my tv card to my line in of my sound card
[02:31] <anodesni> But the quality sucks
[02:32] <anodesni> Well, I gotta go, thanks anyway
[02:32] <laga> good luck :)
[03:24] <DaveMorris> laga: he was here yesterday as well, but he had no sound then
[03:24] <laga> he's still wasting his time in here, IMHO
[04:17] <Daviey> superm1: ping-a-ding
[04:17] <superm1> morning Daviey
[04:17] <Daviey> oh goody; you're here
[04:48] <kruuli> good afternoon Daviey and superm1
[04:48] <superm1> mornin keescook
[04:48] <superm1> mornin kruuli
[04:49] <kruuli> i have yet another question! (iknow it never ends!) .. lets say i wanna extract files to a destination only root can extract to .. if i use steam roller it only says i dont have permission how do i solve that?
[04:50] <kruuli> i know the command gksudo nautilus that gives me a root window .. but seems like there should be a more simple solution
[04:52] <Daviey> hey kruuli
[04:53] <Daviey> GUI means i think that's the only way
[04:53] <Daviey> Are you using gnome?
[04:56] <kruuli> yeah gnome
[04:56] <kruuli> what do you mean by "GUI means"?
[04:56] <kruuli> graphical user interface? :>
[04:58] <Daviey> sorry, i mean.. if you want to use a GUI then you're pretty stuck with needing gksudo to gain root privs
[04:58] <Daviey> what you can do tho is use a nautilus 'script'
[04:58] <Daviey> that could automate it somewhat
[05:01] <keescook> mornin'  :)
[05:02] <kruuli> Daviey ah ok .. well its not that big of a deal thanks :)
[05:03] <kruuli> mornin keescook
[05:06] <anodesni> .
[05:11] <EcHeLoN> Hi, I would like to install  a combined mythtv frontend/backend and use the machine as regular desktop. Do you think my PC meets the system requirements? My specs are: AMD AthlonXP 2000+, 512mb DDR, Geforce 5500 128mb, 80gb harddrive and tv card: pctv stereo from pinnacle. It doesn't have a hardware mpeg2 decoder.
[05:15] <EcHeLoN> Nobody help me?
[05:15] <tgm4883> what do you plan to view HD or SD
[05:16] <EcHeLoN> SD
[05:16] <tgm4883> You should be fine
[05:16] <EcHeLoN> ok tnx
[05:17] <tgm4883> anyone use dreamweaver?
[05:17] <EcHeLoN> I have a remote control for my tv card. Can I use it with mythtv? It is a rf remote
[05:18] <tgm4883> What remote?
[05:18] <EcHeLoN> euhh
[05:19] <EcHeLoN> it's from Medion
[05:19] <tgm4883> any numbers on it?
[05:19] <EcHeLoN> well
[05:19] <EcHeLoN> Medion: RF remote control
[05:19] <kruuli> tgm4883 yeah some
[05:19] <EcHeLoN> p/n: 20016398
[05:20] <EcHeLoN> FCC ID: B4S20016398
[05:20] <EcHeLoN> CE 05
[05:20] <EcHeLoN> it's a RC from X10
[05:20] <tgm4883> kruuli, do you happen to know how to fix this http://test.weilandhomes.com/homesforsale/sunnysideridge/flicker/index.html
[05:22] <tgm4883> EcHeLoN, it looks like it will work, but I can't read the page cause it's in german
[05:23] <EcHeLoN> ok tnx
[05:23] <tgm4883> EcHeLoN, looks like the atiusb module
[05:24] <tgm4883> are you following the community guide?
[05:24] <EcHeLoN> should I download that module
[05:24] <kruuli> your using tables for those pictures?
[05:24] <tgm4883> no, are you following the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[05:24] <tgm4883> kruuli, yea
[05:25] <tgm4883> is that bad
[05:25] <kruuli> no
[05:25] <EcHeLoN> Ok thanks for your help
[05:25] <kruuli> any stylesheets involved?
[05:25] <tgm4883> EcHeLon, Hope your using this guide for your install https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[05:25] <tgm4883> yea
[05:25] <EcHeLoN> ok
[05:26] <tgm4883> yea 1 css
[05:26] <tgm4883> I fixed the bottom part of the problem, but the top row is still like that.
[05:27] <tgm4883> Is there a better way to do my desired effect than using a table?  I just wanted 3 colums
[05:27] <kruuli> hard to say by just looking at it .. what happens if you try to move it down?
[05:28] <tgm4883> Nothing happens, i have tried moving it down a few times, both the table, and the contents of each columns (In the first row)
[05:28] <tgm4883> I haven't tried making an empty first row though
[05:29] <kruuli> are you doing that in the code or in the design tab of DW?
[05:29] <tgm4883> design tab
[05:29] <tgm4883> If I could code it i'd be using gedit :)
[05:30] <kruuli>  <td height="746" valign="top">
[05:30] <tgm4883> If it matters there is also a locked page template that each page uses and 1 editable area
[05:30] <tgm4883> use that?
[05:30] <kruuli> you are using that
[05:31] <kruuli> set the align in % instead
[05:31] <kruuli> im no pro but if you do that it should be dynamic and you can try your way until it fits nicley
[05:31] <kruuli> or you could just put the table in a layer
[05:32] <kruuli> that whould be the easiest way
[05:32] <tgm4883> Ok, 1 question
[05:32] <tgm4883> just realized its a table in a table (did the main template awhile ago)
[05:33] <tgm4883> so the 746 is for the template table and that should be a percentage?
[05:35] <kruuli> yeah try that first .. otherwise put it in a layer
[05:37] <tgm4883> ok, thanks
[05:42] <Obeah> Is there an alternative to Zap2it?
[05:55] <superm1> DaveMorris, was that correct metauml_lib?
[05:55] <superm1> is what you were referring ot
[05:59] <DaveMorris> latex-metauml is prob a better name
[05:59] <DaveMorris> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/123073
[05:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123073 in Ubuntu "Package "UML for LaTeX/MetaPost"" [Undecided,New] 
[06:00] <superm1> after we announce alpha 2 sure
[06:00] <superm1> shouldn't be too much trouble
[06:00] <DaveMorris> which is when?
[06:00] <superm1> Monday is the plan
[06:01] <superm1> installer stuff is ready to go, just need the meta finished up from Daviey and we're set
[06:05] <superm1> DaveMorris, who was it that we needed to host a torrent?
[06:06] <superm1> or who was it that mentioned the name before, tgm4883 was it you?
[06:10] <DaveMorris> popey in #ubuntu-uk, get Daviey to ask him
[06:11] <DaveMorris> I suggest we host the iso's off the site, and just host the md5sum and torrent files on the site
[06:12] <tgm4883> superm1, i just made the torrent and put it up at work, it was all tracked by linuxtracker.org i think
[06:14] <superm1> What tracker does popey host them through?
[06:15] <superm1> if we can host them through the ubuntu trackert wouldn't that be preferable?
[06:15] <superm1> if that's what popey uses
[06:15] <tgm4883> that would be preferable
[06:17] <superm1> tgm4883, will you be around Sunday?
[06:17] <tgm4883> I dont think I need to make the torrent this time though, it was pretty easy
[06:17] <superm1> oh okay
[06:17] <superm1> what's required to do so?
[06:18] <tgm4883> I made it with azaraus, but if you want to do it from the command line there is software preinstalled
[06:18] <tgm4883> btcompletedir
[06:18] <tgm4883> do that in terminal, pretty easy from there
[06:18] <tgm4883> you just need the announce directory
[06:18] <superm1> as in the announce URL
[06:18] <superm1> that will be hosting it?
[06:18] <tgm4883> whoops
[06:18] <tgm4883> yea
[06:18] <tgm4883> sec
[06:19] <superm1> so you need to know ahead of time what the tracker will be before its generated then
[06:19] <tgm4883> yea
[06:20] <tgm4883> you should just be able to do it with btcompletedir "announce url" "file to share"
[06:21] <tgm4883> once you have the url first
[06:23] <superm1> once its submitted how soon do you jump in for seeding it?
[06:23] <tgm4883> for like linuxtracker?
[06:24] <superm1> well once the torrent is submitted, how do the first seeds get started?
[06:24] <tgm4883> its pretty much as soon as you submit it I think.  on linuxtracker it takes a few minutes to show up on their page, so you may have to wait for it to show up
[06:24] <tgm4883> either way its pretty quick
[06:25] <superm1> so you put the files your were going to use in the download location, and then just start start your bt client app?
[06:25] <superm1> (to be a first seed)
[06:26] <tgm4883> If you move the torrent files after you create the torrent, when you start your torrent to seed you will have to point it to the right dir
[06:27] <tgm4883> and if we get the iso first through the website or wherever, we can add seeds pretty quickly
[06:27] <superm1> okay, what is the diff between btdownloadcurses and btdownloadheadless then?
[06:28] <tgm4883> i did it all through azarus
[06:28] <tgm4883> if you have that installed, id use it
[06:28] <superm1> well i do, but this will all be done on pegasus too
[06:28] <superm1> which is headless
[06:28] <tgm4883> heres the quick quide from linuxtorrents
[06:28] <tgm4883> pegasus?
[06:29] <superm1> oh, mythbuntu.org
[06:29] <superm1> its hostname is pegasus
[06:29] <tgm4883> ah
[06:29] <tgm4883> so mythbuntu.org is also going to be a seed?
[06:29] <superm1> i was thinking thats the most ideal way to go
[06:29] <tgm4883> so this is what you want to do
[06:29] <superm1> cap its bandwidth to say 70mbps up or something?
[06:30] <superm1> and then add it as a seed
[06:30] <tgm4883> you only want to create the torrent on 1 machine
[06:30] <superm1> right
[06:30] <tgm4883> and then just upload the torrent file and the iso
[06:31] <tgm4883> oh wait, you knew that, you were asking a different question
[06:31] <frego_> anyone in here know how to tell what version of knoppmyth my box is?
[06:31] <superm1> frego_, not so sure, #knoppmyth is probably the best bet
[06:31] <frego_>  I thought it was an environment variable $knoppmythversion?
[06:32] <superm1> we do things significantly different
[06:32] <tgm4883> i would guess that the difference between the btdownloadcurses and btdownloadheadless is that one returns you to the command line and runs in the background
[06:32] <superm1> in mythbuntu
[06:32] <superm1> so perhaps the best way is to to the curses version in screen so i can watch stats
[06:32] <superm1> as i ssh in
[06:32] <frego_> superm1> ty!
[06:33] <tgm4883> your guess is as good as mine
[06:33] <tgm4883> is the iso hosted off the same machine as the torrent will seed?
[06:33] <superm1> imbrandon, ping.  What do you think is the best way to go about it for the release.  Pegasus being a seed?
[06:33] <superm1> yes
[06:34] <superm1> probably just add a .htaccess
[06:34] <superm1> to the iso directory
[06:34] <superm1> when we announce
[06:34] <tgm4883> We have no other mirrors?
[06:34] <superm1> well someone mirrored it for us before
[06:34] <tgm4883> true
[06:34] <superm1> but i dont know who that was
[06:34] <tgm4883> We should shoot that guy a message
[06:35] <superm1> if pegasus is helping seed it though, it will work out a lot better i'd think
[06:35] <tgm4883> I saw it listed on digg, so maybe we can email him through there
[06:35] <superm1> yea thats a good idea
[06:35] <tgm4883> i'll look it up
[06:35] <superm1> could you shoot him a mail and see if he would be able to
[06:35] <tgm4883> do you remember the mirror?
[06:35] <superm1> http://mirror.polorix.net/Mythbuntu/mythbuntu-7.04%7E070603-i386.iso
[06:37] <tgm4883> dont know if we saw this, but its mythbuntu news http://www.hydrapinion.com/index.php/play/2007/06/08/p0
[06:37] <tgm4883> from june 8th
[06:38] <tgm4883> anyone have gtalk?
[06:38] <superm1> yea we did spread across far areas of the web
[06:38] <superm1> everyone with gmail has it :)
[06:38] <tgm4883> i have no gmail
[06:39] <superm1> well i mean that anyone who has a gmail account has a google talk account automatically
[06:39] <tgm4883> polorix@gmail.com, i'll still send him an email unless someone wants to see if he's on
[06:39] <superm1> i think email is a better way either way
[06:39] <superm1> so as to not put him on the spot
[06:40] <tgm4883> ok, ill send it
[06:40] <tgm4883> sweet, my gmail account is still open from 04
[06:41] <tgm4883> are we talking hosting for alpha 2?
[06:41] <superm1> yes
[06:41] <superm1> the ISO will be generated either friday or saturday
[06:41] <tgm4883> for release on?
[06:41] <superm1> monday
[06:43] <tgm4883> superm1, whats your email
[06:43] <superm1> superm1@ubuntu.com
[06:43] <superm1> or superm1@mythbuntu.org
[06:43] <superm1> either will work
[06:44] <tgm4883> I'm going to shoot this to you first, I aways feel like what i write isn't very good and a quick onceover always help
[06:46] <tgm4883> superm1, ygm
[06:47] <tgm4883> also just realized, it would probably look better comming from a mythbuntu.org address rather than my weilandhomes.com address
[06:47] <superm1> sure i'll shoot it off then
[06:47] <tgm4883> thanks
[06:47] <tgm4883> make any changes necessary
[06:47] <superm1> k
[06:48] <tgm4883> just let me know so i can improve
[06:48] <superm1> i'll cc you on it
[06:48] <tgm4883> thanks
[06:48] <tgm4883> gotta run, coffee time, back in 30
[06:48] <superm1> k
[06:49] <kruuli> i can now stream my recordings over mythweb \o/ :D
[06:50] <superm1> kruuli, what did you install?
[06:50] <superm1> mythstream?
[06:50] <kruuli> nah mythflash
[06:50] <superm1> mythflash?
[06:50] <kruuli> yeah
[06:50] <superm1> the one in trunk?
[06:50] <kruuli> http://chiefhacker.com/2007/01/22/streaming-mythtv-from-mythweb-using-flash/
[06:53] <superm1> well that looks pretty neat
[06:53] <superm1> did the ffmpeg on medibuntu have mp3lame support?
[06:54] <kruuli> no gotta solve that
[06:54] <kruuli> got no sound atm
[06:54] <superm1> ah, so do you have medibuntu repo added then right now?
[06:54] <superm1> or going to try that as an option
[06:54] <kruuli> dunno what mediabuntu is :p
[06:55] <superm1> !medibuntu
[06:55] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[06:55] <kruuli> cool . sudo apt-get mediabuntu?
[06:55] <superm1> see the site
[06:55] <superm1> they detail how to set things up
[07:06] <rogue780> someone should package mythflash for ubuntu
[07:07] <superm1> rogue780, problem is that it need ffmpeg with mp3lame support
[07:10] <rogue780> anyway, it might be something nice to have for mythbuntu. has there been any thought put into making mythbuntu specific repositories?
[07:11] <superm1> well there is one already
[07:11] <rogue780> eh?
[07:11] <superm1> but a stipulation of the acknowledgment of us was to make sure all changes are committed upstream
[07:11] <superm1> (ubuntu)
[07:24] <kruuli> wtf .. the user www-data (apache) needs to have access to mythtv recordings .. ive added www-data to group mythtv and ive opened up the folder for every user and it still complains it cant write to it :o
[07:25] <kruuli> worked before the restart :/
[07:37] <kruuli> superm1 medibuntu did the trick :)
[07:38] <kruuli> got sound now on my flashmovies
[07:38] <kruuli> mythflash was actually real nice .. watching fullscreen is np
[07:55] <superm1> how is the quality?
[07:57] <superm1> and how long does re-encoding take?
[07:57] <superm1> (on the fly?)
[08:02] <DaveMorris> superm1: you want me to test the alpha2 before hand to make sure there are no stupid bugs again!
[08:03] <kruuli> encoding is not that fast
[08:03] <kruuli> but you can start watching before its done
[08:03] <kruuli> quality is ok
[08:14] <tgm4883> superm1, forgot to tell you one thing about making the torrent in azaurus
[08:16] <tgm4883> It wouldn't make it for me if i did just the file, had to put it in a directory then torrent the directory, but it made torrents for every directory it found, so I had to put in in two directories (ie desktop/mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu.iso
[08:19] <kruuli> tgm4883 did you manage to solve the homepage issue?
[08:19] <tgm4883> yea, although i took a different approach for now
[08:19] <kruuli> cool
[08:19] <tgm4883> it must have something to do with my css
[08:20] <tgm4883> as soon as i removed the hyperlinks from the pictures it cleaned right up
[08:20] <tgm4883> Although now that i see the layer thing I may go that route in the future
[09:00] <kruuli> yeah layers is the shit :)
[09:04] <Daviey> superm1: you actually got ./update working?
[09:05] <superm1> Daviey, haven't tried :)
[09:05] <superm1> seeds weren't ready
[09:05] <Daviey> doh
[09:06] <Daviey> i had to make http;//myth'/files/seeds/gutsy a bzr branch
[09:07] <superm1> why?
[09:07] <Daviey> that's what germinate wants
[09:07] <superm1> why not add it to the exisitng branch?
[09:07] <superm1> thats silly
[09:08] <superm1> silly germinate
[09:08] <Daviey> well the seed list needs to be a bzr branch..
[09:08] <Daviey> could be a mythbuntu LP branch
[09:08] <superm1> ah
[09:08] <Daviey> [i386]  Loading seed lists...
[09:08] <Daviey> * Fetching branch of http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/seeds/gutsy/
[09:09] <Daviey> seed_base needs to be a branch
[09:09] <superm1> well so it could be a LP branch
[09:09] <superm1> would a LP branch would make more sense?
[09:09] <Daviey> yeah, i'll leave it as is atm.. then fix it last
[09:09] <Daviey> LP would make more sense
[09:09] <superm1> k
[09:12] <superm1> DaveMorris, yes please do test alpha 2 before hand
[09:12] <superm1> as soon as we have the ISO generated
[09:12] <superm1> i'll let you knbow
[09:13] <Daviey> DaveMorris: are you gonna build the am64 iso?
[09:13] <superm1> he'll need a 64 bit ubiquity first
[09:13] <Daviey> ah
[09:13] <superm1> i'll have to see if i can get that built
[09:14] <Daviey> will the be problamatic merging i386 to am64 ubiquity?
[09:14] <superm1> na it shouldnt be
[09:14] <superm1> no arch specific changes in my patch
[09:15] <Daviey> have you been able to draw a .patch file from your changes comapred to upstream?
[09:18] <Daviey> I'm gonna install gutsy debootstrap on pegasus.. that won't cause probs?
[09:20] <superm1> i have a patch done via debdiff
[09:20] <superm1> its already on there
[09:20] <superm1> all of these ISOs have been done via gutsy debootrstrap
[09:20] <superm1> its roughly 5k lines
[09:20] <Daviey> erm
[09:20] <superm1> the patch
[09:21] <superm1> and applies cleanly without breaking any of their stuff right now
[09:21] <superm1> its against their bzr branch, not the release version
[09:21] <Daviey> I just installed gutsy debootstrap as germinate was whinging it was an old version
[09:21] <superm1> well there might have been a "newer" debootstrap
[09:21] <superm1> then the one i put on pegasus already
[09:21] <superm1> but the one on there was a gutsy
[09:22] <Daviey> ah okay, i just updated it then
[10:32] <Daviey> superm1: i am awesome
[10:36] <superm1> Daviey, you are awesome
[10:36] <superm1> now is it working ;)?
[10:38] <Daviey> getting there
[10:39] <Daviey> just need to work out how to make 2 repo's co-exisit
[10:39] <superm1> like which two?
[10:39] <Daviey> actually.... problem
[10:39] <Daviey> mythbuntu's and ubuntu's
[10:39] <superm1> oh...
[10:39] <superm1> because not all our packages are in yet
[10:39] <Daviey> but if we want this package in ubiverse then it can't include any packages that are in mythbuntus
[10:40] <superm1> okay.  atm there are only two on mythbuntu.org that are needed.  leave them out for now
[10:40] <superm1> all the stuff in mythbuntu's is eventually getting into universe, but not yet
[10:40] <superm1> the two that arent in yet are
[10:40] <superm1> gtk2-engines-mythbuntu
[10:40] <superm1> and ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu
[10:40] <superm1> we can just manually install them for now, and later on add them as dependencies
[10:40] <Daviey> can we not try and get one uploaded this we?
[10:41] <Daviey> weekend?
[10:41] <superm1> well i got gtk2-engines-mythbuntu uploaded
[10:41] <superm1> its just not ack'ed yet
[10:41] <superm1> by the ubuntu archive admins
[10:41] <superm1> and the ubiquity patch, i'm waiting on the installer team to ack it
[10:41] <superm1> so in an effort to get this through - leave them out
[10:42] <superm1> majoridiot, we're releasing alpha 2 this weekend
[10:42] <superm1> sunday the ISOs should be generated
[10:42] <majoridiot> very good
[10:43] <majoridiot> any final testing to do?
[10:43] <superm1> yes there will be
[10:43] <majoridiot> i have some time tomorrow
[10:43] <superm1> tomorrow and sunday
[10:43] <majoridiot> might be able to test later sunday afternoon if needed
[10:44] <superm1> okay just be on when you can, and i'll ping and let you know when things are ready
[10:44] <superm1> i'm uploading my last set of ubiquity changes later tonight
[10:44] <majoridiot> k
[10:45] <majoridiot> just email me a link to the iso and i'll grab it first thing
[10:45] <superm1> will do
[10:47] <Daviey> right, now i feel 100% comfortable with meta's
[10:47] <Daviey> yah!
[10:48] <Daviey> so what packages did you propose the other day
[10:48] <superm1> Daviey, glad you figured it out :)
[10:48] <Daviey> mythbuntu-live
[10:48] <superm1> and mythbuntu-standalone
[10:48] <Daviey> really shouldn't have taken this long!
[10:48] <Daviey> a few lines of comments / documentation would have saved hours
[10:48] <Daviey> just the two packages?
[10:51] <superm1> just the two
[10:51] <Daviey> what should be in standalone?
[10:51] <superm1> live installs everything on in the build script
[10:51] <superm1> standalone takes out anything live related
[10:51] <superm1> ubiquiyt
[10:51] <superm1> casper
[10:51] <superm1> etc
[10:51] <Daviey> okay
[10:52] <Daviey> so effectively apt-get remove mythbuntu-live && apt-get install mythbuntu-standalone
[10:52] <Daviey> ?
[10:52] <superm1> well mythbuntu-live will depend on mythbuntu-standalone the way i see it
[10:53] <superm1> mythbuntu-live is more of a clean way to do the disk build
[10:53] <superm1> and mythbuntu-standalone ensures that "most" of the packages that you need for the box to be working are there
[10:53] <Daviey> but then removing *-live will try and remove *-standalone?
[10:53] <Daviey> or that can be held i suppose
[10:54] <Daviey> okay, that seems logical
[10:55] <superm1> but stuff like mythtv-frontend and ubuntu-mythtv-frontend should only be in live
[10:55] <superm1> and mythtv-backend
[10:55] <superm1> because they won't be present on all machines
[10:55] <superm1> whereas mythtv-common will
[10:56] <Daviey> yep
[10:56] <Daviey> any other packages you can think of?
[10:56] <superm1> vlc, mplayer, xine
[10:57] <superm1> samba
[10:57] <superm1> openssh-server
[10:57] <Daviey> so currently standalone only consits of mythtv-common?
[10:57] <superm1> well mythtv-common, and ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal
[10:57] <superm1> and gdm
[10:57] <superm1> and mythbuntu-gdm-theme
[10:57] <Daviey> yeah
[10:57] <superm1> and probably lots of others that i cant think of offhand
[10:58] <superm1> the exact details can be worked out later, at very worst if your not sure, leave in mythbuntu-live
[10:58] <Daviey> once i push this into the repo, editing will be easy
[10:58] <superm1> yes
[10:58] <superm1> luckily by doing it this way, not only is editting easy, but its imm reflected in an easy to represent way in the builds
[10:59] <Daviey> true
[11:00] <superm1> you saw the stuff i have in preinst/postinst right?
[11:00] <Daviey> ideally to keep merges easy i would likemythbuntu-live to depend on ubuntu-live
[11:00] <Daviey> whyda reckon?
[11:01] <superm1> didn't even know there was an ubuntu-live
[11:01] <superm1> let me see whats in it
[11:01] <Daviey> yeah
[11:01] <superm1> malimonc@waluigi:~$ apt-cache depends ubuntu-live
[11:01] <superm1> W: Unable to locate package ubuntu-live
[11:01] <superm1> where is it?
[11:01] <Daviey> pastebin?
[11:02] <superm1> i dont see it anywhere in apt
[11:02] <Daviey> it's not
[11:02] <Daviey> it seems it doesn't actually get created
[11:02] <Daviey> but it is a seed
[11:02] <superm1> so you propose making a third package called ubuntu-live?
[11:02] <Daviey> that we can depend upon
[11:03] <superm1> or just a seed
[11:03] <Daviey> no use the seed ubuntu-live
[11:03] <superm1> okay lets see whats in it
[11:03] <superm1> pastebin is fine
[11:03] <superm1> (i just dont want to increase the ISO size significantly from unnecessary stuff)
[11:04] <Daviey> http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/seeds/mythbuntu.gutsy/live
[11:04] <Daviey> oh
[11:04] <Daviey> no we don't want that; it includes ubuntu artwork
[11:04] <Daviey> and gnome language packs
[11:04] <Daviey> scrap that idea
[11:07] <Daviey> brb
[11:08] <superm1> we do need those other things though, xfsprogs, jfsutils
[11:08] <superm1> didn't even consider that
[11:08] <superm1> and ntfsprogs
[11:22] <superm1> Daviey, i'll brb.  i'm running to the dealer to grab my car.  Should be back within the next 30-50 min.
[11:59] <jasonbuntu> any mythtv pros in here? ive got a amd athlon 2500+ with a 1gig of ram and a geforce 6200 and am having trouble getting smooth hdtv playback.
[12:01] <jasonbuntu> been trying lots of tips and tricks and still nothing gets perfect playback.  recorded shows can play back fine, but live tv and/or watching a recording while recording something else does not run smooth at all
[12:01] <jasonbuntu> ive seen systems with lower processors that say they get great playback.
[12:02] <jasonbuntu> this is s frontend/backend combo system
[12:07] <Daviey> Sorry jasonbuntu, we don't have HD in the UK yet
[12:07] <Daviey> so i have no experience with HD livetv
[12:07] <jasonbuntu> ;-(
[12:07] <jasonbuntu> ok thanks
[12:07] <Daviey> Have you tried #mythtv-users
[12:07] <Daviey> ?
[12:10] <jasonbuntu> trying now, thanks
[12:10] <tgm4883> jasonbuntu, did you enable xvmc?
[12:11] <jasonbuntu> yeah, and even changed the xvmc conf to use the nvidia dll... it reduces cpu usage, but causes bad audio/vido lag
[12:12] <tgm4883> Well I don't think your getting it to run smooth without it on that processor
[12:13] <tgm4883> I could almost* do it on my 2000+ with xvmc
[12:13] <jasonbuntu> ;-( yeah, thats what i was afraid of...
[12:13] <tgm4883> I would look into what was causing the a/v lag and see if it is fixable
[12:14] <tgm4883> I'm not sure the system requirements for just recording HD, as it is already compressed.   But if you have the resources you might try recording on a different computer and playing back on the 2500+
[12:14] <jasonbuntu> yeah, im guessing so far that it is the mobo bus speeds, ive been playing with audio and video jitter bug fixes and nothing takes it away completely
[12:15] <tgm4883> Is it just lag or is it randomly jittery?
[12:15] <tgm4883> you checked dma is on?
[12:15] <jasonbuntu> hard to say
[12:15] <jasonbuntu> hmm
[12:15] <tgm4883> not really, lag would just mean that the audio (or video) is constantly a certain number of seconds behind the other
[12:16] <jasonbuntu> dma may be the issue, never played with that on this computer, not sure if ubuntu set it on be default
[12:16] <tgm4883> while jittery would be smooth playing, but every once in a while it would hiccup
[12:16] <jasonbuntu> well, its brief pauses randomly created, and when im using xvmc, it even happens on SD content
[12:16] <jasonbuntu> yeah, so its jittery
[12:16] <tgm4883> hmmm
[12:17] <tgm4883> did you overclock your video card?
[12:18] <jasonbuntu> nope, stock
[12:18] <tgm4883> hmm
[12:18] <tgm4883> what speed agp?
[12:19] <jasonbuntu> 8x
[12:19] <tgm4883> hmm
[12:20] <tgm4883> well it sounds like a problem with the xvmc.  I assume you've installed the 3d driver for your vid card?
[12:20] <jasonbuntu> yeah, the latest nvidia drivers
[12:20] <tgm4883> did you turn interlace on?
[12:21] <tgm4883> do you have commercial flagging on or off during recording
[12:21] <tgm4883> sorry, deinterlace
[12:21] <jasonbuntu> i set the flagging and transcoding to only run at odd hours so it doesnt interfere with my recording
[12:21] <jasonbuntu> and commercial flagging while recording is off
[12:23] <tgm4883> hmm
[12:23] <tgm4883> sounds to me like you've done everything right and that xvmc isn't acting right with your video card
[12:23] <jasonbuntu> hmm
[12:23] <tgm4883> :(
[12:26] <jasonbuntu> with the standard xvmc library the cpu usage is 80-100%, with the nvidia one it is 60-80%, but the jitters appear more frequently
[12:27] <jasonbuntu> yeah, this is pretty annoying ;-(