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ardaz27anyone have experience getting linksys usb200m working with xubuntu?01:54
Jester45!logs01:55
ubotuChannel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs01:55
ardaz27thanks01:55
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vidd_laptopif your sudoer file gets corrupt, how can you fix it?03:49
vidd_laptopwithout reinstalling?03:50
j1mcvidd_laptop: did you try sudo visudo?03:52
vidd_laptopgot the same error message03:53
j1mcwhat is the error message?03:53
vidd_laptop>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 20 <<<  sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 2003:54
TheSheepvidd_laptop: well, go to the line 20 of that file and look what is wrong03:54
j1mcdoes: sudo nano /etc/sudoers work?03:54
vidd_laptopno03:54
j1mcyou can't open the file at all?03:54
TheSheepvidd_laptop: why not?03:54
vidd_laptopj1mc, no, same error03:55
TheSheepah, sudo03:55
TheSheep:)03:55
TheSheepvidd_laptop: boot into recovery mode :)03:55
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vidd_laptopTheSheep, from grub?03:56
j1mcvidd_laptop: how did it get corrupted?03:56
vidd_laptopuhm....mistype03:57
vidd_laptopwas looking at the file....03:57
TheSheepvidd_laptop: well, you have to get into root acocunt somehow03:57
TheSheepvidd_laptop: recovery mode is one way03:58
vidd_laptopbut will it work with sudo out of commission and no root passwrd?03:59
TheSheepvidd_laptop: doesn't recovery mode give you the root console right after boot?04:00
vidd_laptopidk...i never used it b404:00
TheSheepvidd_laptop: if not there are other methods -- passing init=/bin/bash to kernel options or booting from livecd04:00
vidd_laptopanything that can be done remotely?04:01
TheSheepvidd_laptop: find a security hole and exploit it ;)04:01
j1mcvidd_laptop: visudo validates the sudoers file prior to saving it.  i admit to using sudo nano /etc/sudoers file previously myself, but ... not anymore.04:01
TheSheepvidd_laptop: you *really* wouldn't want it to be possible remotely :)04:01
vidd_laptopoh sweet.....04:02
vidd_laptopi DID make a user that aliased root....04:03
vidd_laptopim in04:03
TheSheepand use visudo :)04:04
TheSheepeven if you don't really know vi -- every admin should know vi04:05
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pinkwerksHi, just booted up xubuntu 7.04 live cd, xfce4-panel fails to start... is this fixed in a newer (beta) version of the cd?04:11
pinkwerksi can start it manually just fine, but i'm trying to pass this off to my mom04:11
j1mcpinkwerks: what are the specs on the system?04:12
pinkwerksdell laptop, inspiron 930004:12
TheSheeppinkwerks: I think the problem only appears on some computers04:12
TheSheeppinkwerks: let me check the bug report04:12
pinkwerksk was, looking thru the bugs but didn't find anything, then again maybe i didn't query it right :-P04:12
TheSheeppinkwerks: I can't get used to using this search -- it almost seem self-aware and malicious04:13
pinkwerksalso, if I close the terminal which i lanuch `xfce4-panel &` from it kills the panel - weird.04:14
TheSheeppinkwerks: that's normal -- the processes form a tree in linux04:14
TheSheeppinkwerks: if you kill one process, you also kill all its children04:14
pinkwerksum, but i backgrounded it...04:15
j1mcpinkwerks: an inspiron 9300... does it have a PIII or PIV or... ?  and how much RAM?04:17
pinkwerksj1mc : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz, MemTotal:      1035696 kB04:17
pinkwerksj1mc : "centrino" not sure what that falls under04:18
TheSheepBug #9418204:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 94182 in xfce "Missing panels in Xubuntu Feisty Fawn i386 LiveCD Herd 5 (dup-of: 53897)" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9418204:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 53897 in xfce4-panel "Disappearing panels Xubuntu dapper" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5389704:18
pinkwerksTheSheep : would I be 'better off' using v6. (dapper) or just have her double click the 'install' on the desktop and be over with it?  just trying to replace winxp on an old computer04:20
TheSheeppinkwerks: it all depends on what she uses it for04:20
pinkwerksit's possible that this won't even occur on the desktop system she'll be putting it on - well just email and web04:20
TheSheeppinkwerks: many times users feel hurt by forced transition to linux, and will hate it04:20
pinkwerksTheSheep, yah well as long as it comes up with firefox and thunderbird that's all she'll need04:21
TheSheeppinkwerks: I'm sure that even if the panels don't apper at the forst boot, it can be easily fixed04:22
TheSheepappear*04:22
pinkwerksTheSheep: i'll try this disk in the target system, hopefully it's a non-issue, thanks for the inputs04:22
pinkwerksps - slick stuff!04:22
TheSheeppinkwerks: hmm... that duplicate bug shows that the panel disappearing happens often when yuo have faulty cd04:26
TheSheeppinkwerks: have you tested the cd for defects?04:26
pinkwerksTheSheep : I did the test before i used it :-/04:26
TheSheeppinkwerks: I'd advice doing it before install anywyas04:26
TheSheepah, ok04:26
TheSheeppinkwerks: found out why the bug search is so malicious on me -- it won't display duplicate bugs04:30
TheSheeppinkwerks: by default, that is04:30
pinkwerksTheSheep: well I don't have much else to add, other than I hope it doesn't bork on the other machine - should I add some hardware info or anything to one of the bugs?04:30
TheSheeppinkwerks: might be useful. Even a simple 'mee too' sometimes helps04:31
pinkwerksThanks again!04:32
pinkwerksIs there a handy command that will some up my system config for bug reports?04:37
TheSheephmm.. there was something...04:39
TheSheep!info canoe04:39
ubotucanoe: Log file aggregator and report tool (Gtk2 frontend). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0-2 (feisty), package size 7 kB, installed size 120 kB04:39
TheSheep!info upstreamdev04:39
ubotuupstreamdev: Log file aggregator and report tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0-2 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 180 kB04:39
TheSheeppinkwerks: but I have no idea how to use it04:40
pinkwerksTheSheep : okay tanks04:41
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Jester45skipping non-regular file "kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.manifest" anyone know why?06:55
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Jester45oops06:57
Jester45wasnt copying the whole think06:58
Jester45 im trying to make a iso image mirror but when i run "rsync -r   rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ ./releases/" all get is a whole bunch of skipping non-regular file "kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.manifest" error or other files but same error06:58
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tyler__anyone know how to get liquid wars game on xubuntu 6.06?07:15
tyler__grabbed some debs and well libc6 is older version07:15
tyler__dont' want to mess anything up :/07:15
Ghostvirusit's in the repos07:16
tyler__what is in the repos?07:17
Ghostvirusliquid war07:17
tyler__for 6.06 dapper?07:17
Ghostvirusaccording to http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/games/liquidwar it is07:18
tyler__ahh I got it now07:18
tyler__thought it was called liquid war(s)07:18
tyler__synaptic search function can be a bit crappy at times :(07:18
Ghostvirusyeah, sometimes it's best to just type in a single word and see if what you're looking for comes up07:19
tyler__umm..?07:19
Ghostviruswtf07:19
Ghostvirusall of the 1337 users just got booted?07:20
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tyler__hehe07:20
Ghostvirusthat was weird07:20
tyler__yeah seriously07:20
tyler__that network must have had a failure07:20
Ghostvirusmmm07:20
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Ghostviruson the other hand, i'm currently connected thru the same server07:21
tyler__mrigns: omg you use aol?07:22
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tyler__Ghostvirus: uh oh they coming back.. its like night of the zombies07:23
juicyfruityhello, how do I install fonts in xubuntu?07:23
Ghostvirustyler__: fun's over07:23
tyler__juicyfruity: /etc/X11/xorg.conf edit it and play around in Settings under menu07:23
Ghostvirusjuicyfruity: put them in ~/.fonts07:24
juicyfruitywhy should I edit xorg for fonts07:24
juicyfruity......07:24
tyler__I dunno depends on what sort of fanciful fonts you aiming for ;)07:24
ceil420what reasons would Xorg have for using up 35% of my 512mb ram? (note: i did design a theme earlier and went back and forth testing it, but that was hours ago)07:24
juicyfruitythankyou, Ghostvirus, I was looking for some sort of frontend like in gnome!07:25
Ghostvirusjuicyfruity: no problem. if you want to install fonts system-wide, toss them into /usr/share/fonts07:25
tyler__ceil420: if nothing else is using the ram then why not let it have 35%? I mean so long as it can be removed later for other apps07:26
ceil420tyler__, *can* it be removed later, when other apps need it?07:26
tyler__ceil420: could try ctrl alt backspace to reset xorg maybe07:26
ceil420tyler__, i'm trying to avoid that, cos i have an IRC bot running and it's a pain in the ass to start back up ;x07:27
tyler__ceil420: yeah I'm usually got my 512mb used up all the way and then I play a really big program and rest gets compressed down to near nothing its hard to get correct reading of ram usage07:27
ceil420(i really should give it a "on start" script to handle that crap)07:27
ceil420as long as it'll hand over the RAM when other stuff needs it, t's okay i guess07:27
ceil420i just noticed that my RAM usage was at 72% total instead of it's usual 52% :x07:27
tyler__ceil420: yeah it might slowly deteriorate over time back down to 50 some07:28
ceil420at first i thought it was Firefox raping my ram more than usual, then i looked at conky and it showed Xorg on top ><07:28
tyler__ceil420: what drivers you using for graphics anyway?07:29
ceil420uhm07:29
ceil420nvidia glx? :x07:29
Ghostvirusceil420: i constantly have a problem with xorg eating my cpu07:29
tyler__kool I like nvidia cards07:29
ceil420not 100% sure; i had problems with it a few months ago07:29
ceil420i've been through like three of 'em07:29
ceil420Ghostvirus, Xorg never touches my CPU, and it's never this bad on my ram :o07:30
tyler__ghostvirus: if you don't have direct rendering setup that usually happens unless its a really good driver you got going07:30
ceil420usually my total CPU usage is between 2 and 8% when i'm not doin' anything (of 1.7ghz)07:30
ceil420usually my ram tops out at like 55% :x now even with Firefox closed it's at 62%07:31
tyler__ceil420: hmm there are hard drive things that comp usually does when its idle, like update search database, finish up ext3 journals, and shuffle about memory07:31
Ghostvirustyler__: i'm running on the ati driver, direct rendering and everything, on a 64 MB Radeon Mobility 7500.  no idea why xorg pushes my cpu usage up so much07:31
ceil420with Xorg accounting for a (steady, at least) 35.83% of that07:31
tyler__ghostvirus: same card here in laptop I'm on, its a dell latitude c64007:31
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Ghostvirusi'm not using any compositing either07:32
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Ghostviruswtf, again07:32
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ceil420netsplits ftl :x07:32
tyler__damn channel spammers :P07:32
ceil420they're rare enough on freenode tho, to my knowledge07:32
ceil420it's real bad on networks like quakenet07:32
tyler__perhaps there was a new release of something awesome?07:33
Ghostviruswhy is the xfce forum so dead?07:33
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tyler__most use the ubuntu forum that's why, I mean there not many xubuntu specific things07:33
tyler__kubuntu is mostly dead too I bet07:33
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Ghostvirusalso, whatever happened to xubuntu.info?07:34
ceil420more distros than xubuntu use xfce tho :p07:34
tyler__I need a method to do integrated ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, and xubuntu search forum :)07:34
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tyler__maybe some way to manage logging into them too07:34
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Ghostvirusthe xfce mailing lists are pretty active though07:35
Ghostvirusthe thing i liked about xubuntu.info was that there was a forum specifically for xubuntu users, kind of like http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php07:36
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tyler__ghostvirus: any good xfce reads you know of?07:38
Ghostvirustyler__: not really. the xfce wiki has some interesting bits, but that's all i know of07:39
Ghostvirusxfce seems to be considered for old computers, and for power users07:40
tyler__I was kind of hoping on some current development topics07:40
tyler__xfce is awesome :)07:40
tyler__and most say linux is for power users so I'm hoping xfce stays true to its nature07:40
Ghostvirustyler__: http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev/07:41
tyler__ah thx07:41
Ghostvirusthat mailing list is pretty active07:41
Ghostvirusi subscribed to it, but a lot of it is over my head, as i'm no programmer07:41
tyler__you post any to it?07:43
Ghostvirusnope. just subscribed today. and i don't want to make a nuisance of myself anyway07:43
Ghostvirusi mostly just want to stay up-to-date on what's happening07:44
Ghostvirusbut yeah, not too many distros use xfce by default. most popular ones seem to be zenwalk, dreamlinux and xubuntu07:44
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test3ri got issues  :p07:46
tyler__dreamlinux really tweaked the heck outta xfce there, lookts sort of like a mac07:46
test3rcall it i need a BS in CS07:46
test3rcall it sumthin. but i should b able to get a job ya htink07:46
test3rbesides lame-o job07:47
Ghostvirustyler__: yeah i know. that's why i don't like it. i hate that dock thing07:47
tyler__is that kiba dock?07:47
Ghostvirustyler__: i think it's engage07:47
=== test3r haet dock thing 2.
tyler__ah some them beryl users like using the kiba dock for special effects though07:48
Ghostvirustest3r: are you drunk? heh07:48
test3r=O07:48
test3ri just run Conky07:48
test3rdrunk? no i wouldnt say that07:48
Ghostvirustyler__: i could never get into the whole dock thing. it works on os x, but not on anything else i've seen07:49
test3rbut i AM pretty tired . i think i have to sleep, wake, sleep then wake for my work shift07:49
Ghostvirustest3r: work sucks :(07:49
test3rits just tough switching over to night shift for my body what whatever reason07:50
tyler__ghostvirus: I never liked it either, why not just put tiny desktop icons there? like cut desktop in half bottom has small icons07:50
test3ryeah u could fit alot more in the same place07:50
tyler__processing refresh on that would be a mess07:50
Ghostvirustyler__: i dunno. i've always liked the 1 panel on he bottom setup, like windows07:50
Ghostvirusi sound like a heretic07:51
tyler__yeah! if panel is on top its like having mouse buttons reversed to left handed07:51
tyler__can't function right07:51
test3ri stil use two pannel default setup07:51
tyler__besides you have to break your neck looking up at screen and tilting laptop up07:51
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test3rwith a slew of usermade icons on the top lol07:51
tyler__hey anyone here have an irc client that outputs new posts on top?07:52
tyler__then why have a desktop like that!?07:52
Ghostvirusmy setup is pretty minimal. i'm running at 1024x768 so space is precious07:52
TheSheep_tyler__: because it's *your* way that's backwards ;)07:52
tyler__nah I sort of like having a hidden panel that pops out on the right07:52
TheSheep_tyler__: you're just conditioned07:52
test3rDinosaurs! RUN!07:53
Ghostvirusrofl07:53
Ghostvirusnice exit right there07:53
TheSheep_folr07:53
tyler__Ghostvirus: rawrrgh07:53
TheSheep_too much of xkcd, apparently07:54
tyler__xkcd?07:54
TheSheep_tyler__: .com07:54
GhostvirusTheSheep: hey look, a new one: http://xkcd.com/c283.html07:54
tyler__hehe nice07:54
TheSheep_tyler__: it's amazing07:55
Ghostvirusyou guys read perry bible fellowship?07:55
Ghostvirushttp://www.pbfcomics.com/07:56
Ghostvirusbest damn webcomic out there07:56
TheSheep_maybe we should move over next door to #xubuntu-offtopic?07:56
Ghostvirusi'm there07:56
Ghostvirusso you guys ever try zenwalk?07:58
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siimohi anyone know of any weird XFCE bug in Gutsy causing Xorg lockups about 5 mins in from starting X08:27
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light[afk] hiya, can anyone help me automatically have my CPU governor change when I plug in my laptop?08:53
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Dualhello every110:15
Dualim trying to format/install xubntu feisty over ubuntu edgy! the instalation reach 54% and hangs there!10:15
Dualnow i cant start up with xp nor linux!10:15
Dualat boot it gives me grub error 1510:16
TheSheep_Dual: what is it doing at 54%?10:21
TheSheep_'generating anthy dict'?10:21
Dualcopying files10:21
Dualand stops10:21
Dualthere10:21
TheSheep_Dual: have you checked the cd for defects?10:22
Dualya i did10:22
Dualit had one error10:22
Dualso i burned it again and again and again10:22
Dualdid it 5 times!10:22
TheSheep_!md510:22
Dual ii did it as well10:23
Dualthey dont have the hash of xubuntu 7.0410:23
Dualthe latest is 6..10:23
ubotuTo verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows10:23
TheSheep_how come?10:23
TheSheep_Dual: well, if the cd is broken, there is small chance it will work :/10:23
DualTheSheep_ check it10:23
DualTheSheep_ its not! thts the thing..10:24
Duali tried 410:24
Dualand i even went and bought a new 100 cd pack just to b sure10:24
TheSheep_Dual: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/MD5SUMS10:24
Dualok TheSheep_ just a sec lemme check10:25
Dualk its calculating10:25
Dualmeanwhile.. i downloaded the iso on 2 seperate occasions! using a download manager10:26
Dualwould tht cause a prob?10:26
TheSheep_shouldn't10:26
Dualhmm10:26
Dualtheyre different :S10:26
Dualtried the 2 i386  theyre both different!10:27
TheSheep_Dual: look on the bright side -- your cd burner is ok :)10:28
Duallol10:28
Dualya well wanna use my desktop in the near future though..10:28
Dualcant even format with xp!10:28
Dualit shuts down by itself when i try to delete the C partition10:28
Dualim thinking of zapping it10:28
Dualbut i have 9 gb of IMPORTANt data over it :S10:29
TheSheep_Dual: how long would a new download take?10:29
Dualforever10:29
Dual15 kb.. :S10:30
TheSheep_Dual: you can try downloading DSL or some other small distro, prepare partitions with it and then install xp (just for the time being)10:30
Duali could do it at work though theres download limitation10:30
Dualya i could do tht10:30
Dualhow small is "small distro" ?10:30
TheSheep_Dual: there are linux dikettes :)10:30
Dualam a newbie when it comes to linux! i tried ubuntu and then decided to switch to xubuntu and all this mess happened10:31
TheSheep_Dual: you don't have the ubuntu cd anymore?10:31
Dualno10:32
Dualbought the pc with ubuntu allready installed10:32
TheSheep_always check the checksum before burning, and the cd for defects before installing -- this simply saves time and hassle10:32
Dualtrue10:32
Duali shouldve though i was a bit excited bout the xubuntu issue since my desktoip is a low end pc..10:33
Dualand ubuntu were kinda making it hang every now and then10:33
TheSheep_Dual: maybe you have a LUG nearby and someone could help you with his livecd10:33
Duala frind has red hat10:33
TheSheep_Dual: or there is a magazine that has some linux attached to it10:33
Dualanyway could u guide me to the "small distro" u told me about!10:34
TheSheep_Dual: better this than nothing10:34
TheSheep_Dual: let me see what there is -- I haven't checked recently10:34
Dualok thank you:) srry if im bothering you with this10:34
TheSheep_Dual: ok, there seem to be no diskette-based distros recently :/10:39
TheSheep_Dual: the smallest I see are aboiut 50MB10:39
Dualwell thts gr810:40
Dualits perfect i could get it in 30 min10:40
Dualcould u provide me a link plz10:40
TheSheep_http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html10:40
Dualthank you10:41
Dualso i do the installation exactly like other distro right?10:41
TheSheep_Dual: this is a live cd10:41
TheSheep_Dual: it has an option to copy itself on the hard drive though10:41
TheSheep_Dual: it has a basic set of applications, including firefox10:42
TheSheep_Dual: ain't pretty, but should do until you get something better10:42
Dualya exactly10:42
Dualthank you10:42
Dualand once again sorry if i bothered10:43
Dualill give it a try and if anythign came up ill get back ...10:43
Dualonce again10:43
Dualthanks10:43
TheSheep_no problem10:44
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tininHi! Could someone show me how to connect a xubuntu pc to a router?03:38
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kafranI'm thinking my resolution so small :S03:53
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kafranand when I try to change, its so stranger :S03:53
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k_im having a bit of an issue with plugin menus in firefox.  whenever i have my browser on my second monitor (xinerama) - none of my menus show properly.  is there a way to fix this?04:30
k_its like firefox expects 1024x768 but its 1280x102404:31
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cheeseboyhi05:00
cheeseboymy pc has terrible specs05:00
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cheeseboyand i cant upgrade05:00
cheeseboyany way i can make it faster?05:00
maxamillioncheeseboy: you can run something like fluxbox or icewm05:06
maxamillioncheeseboy: i have an old computer here at work and with a debian base install with fluxbox ontop i use 27mb of ram at an idle fresh login05:07
cheeseboybut i want to be able to run xfce and other programs05:07
maxamillioncheeseboy: well you can run all programs you want from within either fluxbox, xfce, icewm, gnome, kde, etc...05:08
maxamillioncheeseboy: but to run xfce you might want to try uninstalling things you don't need or use05:09
cheeseboyi installed from command line05:09
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maxamillioncheeseboy: installing from command line doesn't really make a difference05:22
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BFTDhey slow-motion05:46
slow-motionhi BFTD05:46
BFTDnice day eh?05:47
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kafranhow to burn an dvd iso to a dvd from comand line?06:02
Jester45!dvd-tools06:03
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dvd-tools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:03
Jester45!dvd+rw-tools06:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dvd+rw-tools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:04
Jester45ok, install dvd-rw-tools06:04
Jester45dvd+rw-tools*06:05
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abohello wireless not working with network-manager i hear there is some shell script available to make it work ?06:14
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abomaybe another app then the network-manager ? is there another way ?06:21
Jester45its kinda dead in here06:22
aboyes it is06:23
aboi used to run suse it worked there so my wireless is supported by kernel, so the configurations is only not correct06:27
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Jester45hey cellofellow vidd said its ok to run a test site on his server06:27
Jester45or not...06:27
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aboi'm going to try to configure it again, try some new triks :(06:36
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MrMistHi all06:39
MrMistI'm wondering.. Previously I've installed XUbuntu with the standard settings. Now I've got a separate boot-partition, where I'd like GRUB to reside. How do I do this ?06:40
Jester45i think grub resides in the Master Boot Record, aka hd006:41
Jester45i think it has to stay there unless you use something else to point to the new location06:42
MrMistHmm06:43
MrMistI've installed Gentoo from before, and there I made a separate partition for GRUB and the kernel06:43
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Jester45im might be wrong06:44
Jester45its probably my windows showing06:44
dan40how do you throttle the cpu and HD?06:45
MrMistHow about alternate install ? Is that what I'm after ??06:46
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Jester45hey cellofellow vidd said its ok to run a test site on his server06:46
cellofellowJester45: sweet. I'll do that a bit later, I have schoolwork first.06:47
Jester45but, he erased his sudoers list :) so he cant make a ftp user right now06:47
cellofellowJester45: so, do I have something like /home/cellofellow and vidd.us/~cellofellow available?06:47
cellofellowdang06:47
Jester45yes06:48
cellofellowsounds like a livecd+chroot to the rescue situation.06:48
Jester45yep, but its a headless server thats colocated that doesnt have a cd drive06:48
dan40how do you throttle the cpu and HD? I heard that with Ubuntu you can do that.06:49
MrMistthrottle the CPU ?06:49
cellofellowyou need hardware that supports it06:49
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MrMistI've got a Core Duo laptop, and it supports throttling only because the default operating speed is 1GHz/core (to save the battery)06:50
dan40This is a laptop that I am interested in throttling06:50
MrMistIt's automatic06:50
Jester45!repeat | MrMist06:50
ubotuMrMist: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience06:50
MrMistJester45: Huh ??06:51
dan40oh..I guess I was mistakin I thought you could lower the cycles on any app06:51
Jester45eeer06:51
Jester45thats for dan4006:51
MrMistJester45: Hehe.. OK :)06:52
Jester45you can use load balancing or you can also limit the clock rate of a cpu06:52
dan40ok, how do you limit the clock rate?06:52
Jester45the number of level is called steppings06:53
dan40yeah..thats what I read about...steppings06:53
MrMistIs there any pros or cons about having a separate boot-partition?06:53
dan40I couldn't remember the terminology06:53
MrMistWouldn't it make things easier if installing multiple Linux-versions f.eks. ?06:53
Jester45run cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep stepping to see if you can use it06:54
dan40!steppings06:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about steppings - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:54
Jester45mrigns, you dont want to mix kernels unless you custom made them, ubuntu makes their own kernels redhat makes other06:54
MrMistCool. My CPU does :D06:54
dan40result ..steppings: 1006:55
Jester45then you can do 10 diffrent levels06:55
Jester45whats the cpu06:55
Jester45do cat /proc/cpuinfo to find out06:55
dan40k...one sec06:56
MrMistJester45: Yeah, I know. But having separate OS'es would work, right? One partition for XUbuntu, one for gentoo etc. Of course, the programs have to be installed separately for each OS06:56
dan40result: Genuine Intel Pentium III 846.666 Mhz06:57
MrMistStill, only one version of GRUB could be run.06:57
Jester45MrMist, yes, but each distro shouldnt use the same kernel because each distro makes their own kernels, the only reson to use the same kernel would be a extreme lack of space a custom kernel of your own making or the vanilla kernel06:57
Jester45they can use the same grub06:58
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Jester45hiya hyper_ch06:59
hyper_chhiho Jester4506:59
Jester45vidd erased his sudoers file :)07:00
hyper_chJester45: why?07:01
MrMistJester45: I'm not talking about using the same kernel, I can see that. Each OS would have it's own kernel. But the argument for putting the kernel into the boot-partition, might be to lessen the access time or something. Different kernels might reside in one partition, right? I could set GRUB to point to separate partitions for "/root" for each respective kernel07:01
hyper_chbtw, alinghi won today07:01
dan40Jester45: ok if I now know that I can do ten steps, can I adjust that from the command line?07:01
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dan40alinghi? Like as in sailing?07:02
Jester45dan40, im not sure you might want to look at google07:02
hyper_chdan40: yes07:02
hyper_ch3 : 2 (Swizz vs. NZL)07:03
dan40Was that Americas cup? Luis Vuitton?07:03
hyper_chAmerica's Cup07:03
dan40Oh snap..I didn't know that was going on07:03
Jester45kafran, did you like the netsplit?07:03
hyper_chdan40: well, here it's a big thing :)07:03
dan40Where is here? I don't even know where the America's cup is being held this year?07:04
MrMistJester45: I'm totally into the idea that precompiled OS'es saves a LOT of time. However, I need to have the possibility to play around with Gentoo as well. I'm doing lots of Gentoo-related stuff at work.07:04
Jester45should be in america07:04
hyper_chdan40: Valencia, Spain07:05
Jester45MrMist, you can have more than one kernel in a partition just make sure gentoo doesnt write over ubuntu's or the other way around (maybe write protect the file?)07:05
dan40ah...Val-enth-e-a07:05
dan40I wish I had the money to go sailing in different places around the world07:06
Jester45kafran, growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=/path/to/file.iso07:06
hyper_chJester45: america's cup is there where the last winning team came from07:06
hyper_chJester45: and as you may know, it's a bit hard to have a sea regatta in Switzerland ^^07:06
dan40hehe07:07
dan40very true07:07
Jester45if i won i would say i lived in Antarctica so everony would have to go up there and freeze while i stay south and warm07:07
hyper_chlake constance isn't quite suited for America's cup... but it would be fun07:08
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MrMistJester45: It's easy, really. When compiling the kernel, Gentoo doesn't automatically put it in the /boot partition. One has to copy it there. So there's no real risk involved :D07:10
dan40there was some talk about having it in San Francisco, where I used to live, many years ago. The bay has a huge sailing history and culture. It would be well received.07:10
MrMist"If you're going to saaaan fraaan siscooo"07:11
dan40oh no ...not singing07:11
MrMist<- singing out loud07:11
Jester45they should do it where i live, missouri the river would make the race fun07:12
dan40I am sure everyone would jump at the chance to put their $100 million dollar boats in the river07:13
Jester45yep :)07:13
Jester45i would07:15
MrMist100$ million? :|07:15
MrMistOn BOATS?07:15
Jester45not boats they spend it on a boat07:16
dan40well they usually have a backup too.07:16
MrMistEither way... I'm just baffled by the simple amount of money involved07:17
dan40It a big deal...07:17
dan40The boats are SUPER high tech. The bleeding edge of design.07:18
MrMistHere I'm scratching my head about what to do.. Trying to get hold of an apartment in Oslo, but it seems to expensive for me...07:18
MrMistand that's like... 250-300k $ !?07:18
MrMistdan40: I don't doubt it. But it still seems a LOT of cash.07:19
hyper_chI wouldn't say no to that cash07:20
MrMistI'm a math guy... I'm taking a masters degree in it:P And there's no denying the fact that money drives much of the research being done...07:20
MrMistBUT... the research for what? Creating faster boats?07:20
MrMistOr creating faster cars? (in the case of Formula1 etc.)07:21
Jester45or intel making a 80 core cpu?07:21
MrMistJester45: Now, THAT research I can understand :) But a CPU is more a tool than a new engine07:22
dan40yes, popular hull design definately takes influence from America's cup designed boats.07:23
MrMistdan40: Jester45: Actually, I'm studying splines. The fundamental basis in designing boat hulls etc :P07:23
dan40Most of the money, like formula 1, comes from Corp sponsors. In the cas of Alinghi, I think its british telecom and UBS07:24
MrMistdan40: Yeah. It probably does. Guess there's lots of money to be made by tuning engines new ways etc. too.07:27
MrMistOne should be able to use some of it when making new engines etc.07:27
dan40yep07:27
dan40darn, the only thing I am finding on stepping uses Gnome07:28
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dan40whats the command to see what kernel I am using?07:40
Jester45uname -r07:40
dan40ah ..k. got it. thanks07:42
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MrMistAnyone installed XUbuntu with a separate boot-partition ?07:52
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grazieMrMist: yep07:59
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Enola_Gayhi all08:01
Enola_GayDoes xubuntu have the same update manager like Ubuntu?08:02
Jester45yes08:02
Jester45its doesnt have the notifier but it still auto updates08:02
Enola_GayWhich mail client is used? Where can I see the main differences/features of Xubuntu?08:02
Enola_GayHow?08:03
Jester45and haas the little program that you can manually check for updates08:03
Jester45mozilla-thunardbird is used08:03
Jester45thunderbird*08:03
Enola_GayUbuntu has an auto updater too but only for security updates if you activate it.08:03
Enola_GaySo how this works without notify?08:03
Jester45it will auto install them but not tell you08:04
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Enola_GayAll possible updates?08:04
Enola_Gay:)08:04
Jester45umm i think so08:04
Jester45i dont use them i use a cron job08:05
Jester45or tab what ever you wanna call it08:05
Enola_GayDoes it use the network manager?08:07
Enola_GayWhat are the penalties?08:10
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hyper_chJester45: auto-updater in xubuntu??? where?08:11
hyper_chdvd decrypter rocks :)08:12
Jester45hyper_ch, you might want to look at synatic a bit more it has options to auto download and install08:14
Jester45i like the auto download my self08:14
hyper_chJester45: auto-install is not activated by default and neither is auto-download08:14
hyper_chand then, I don't use synaptic ;)08:15
Jester45yea... but it still has it08:15
Jester45nor do i08:15
Jester45i used it once08:15
Jester45i was looking for games08:15
hyper_chJester45: the way you said it it sounded like it will auto-download and auto-install08:15
Jester45and it has a batter layout08:15
Jester45there is 2 options08:15
Jester45or 308:15
Enola_Gayauto updater is very important imho or at least notification08:15
Jester45no auto anything auto downoad but no install or auto download and autoinstall08:16
hyper_chEnola_Gay: auto-update isn't important08:16
Enola_Gaynot for nerds and geeks08:16
Jester45Enola_Gay, hyper_ch is right its not important at all08:16
Enola_Gaybut for normal people08:16
hyper_chEnola_Gay: I check everyday for updates... just a habit from the pre-releases where there are everyday updates :)08:16
Jester45its a very nice addition08:16
Enola_Gayyou are a nerd :-D08:16
hyper_chEnola_Gay: hmmm, you use linux... that would qualify you as a geek08:16
Jester45dependson how you are using "use linux"08:17
Enola_GayI know, but I want to install Linux on Computers of normal people like my mother and so on :)08:17
Jester45somepeople use linux without knowing that you replaced windows08:17
Enola_Gaythat's the plan08:17
hyper_chJester45: normal is what the average does08:17
Jester45im above normal08:17
hyper_chJester45: and the average number of people don't use linux08:17
hyper_chJester45: hence you are not normal when using linux08:18
Jester45the normal linux user is a geek08:18
hyper_chyeah08:18
Enola_GayI know but I think Linux is perfect for Newbies since is secure and has everything they need08:18
hyper_ch"normality" depends on your reference group08:18
Jester45but there is an increasing amount of those geeks replace windows on peoples machines for them08:18
Enola_Gayand in many cases easier to manager because of app updates and so on08:18
hyper_chEnola_Gay: it is by design more secure than windows... but that won't stop you from making it open like windows if you want to08:19
Jester45yea i say dependingon what they do its a lot simpler than windows because of the package manger with updates08:19
Jester45like run wine with root powers :)08:20
hyper_chJester45: I also think that the repos make it simpler and and more secure as you know those are trusted packages08:20
Jester45i dont trust them :)08:20
hyper_chright now ripping dvds with wine+dvddecrypter08:20
Jester45hyper_ch, why not just use acidrip08:20
hyper_chJester45: dunno... I just know how to handle dvd decrypter even with some scratched dvds08:21
Jester45i think acidrip is much better08:21
Jester45because it uses mencoder08:21
Jester45and mencoder is god of encoding08:22
hyper_chJester45: it's ripping... not encoding08:22
Jester45are you making an iso ? or avi08:22
hyper_chwohoo, gpl3 is out08:22
hyper_chiso08:22
Jester45o08:22
Jester45well, you could use dd then08:23
Jester45:) its simple08:23
hyper_chJester45: not with scratched dvds08:23
Jester45dont scratch your dvds08:23
hyper_chI didn't...08:24
hyper_chthat happened on its own08:24
hyper_ch^^08:24
Jester45or better yet, use torents to get a new copy :)08:24
Jester45well im off to work08:25
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b52lapany one got an idea               xhost08:28
b52lapxhost:  unable to open display "0:0"08:28
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hyper_chnow that was interesting08:31
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ed__does anyone here have experience setting up and getting to work nomachine NX server?08:53
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ed__does anyone have experience setting up and getting to work nomachine NX server?09:16
not_Jester45!repeat09:16
ubotuDon't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience09:16
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geck0does anyone know how to add the "activity meter", like ubuntu has, to Xubuntu09:17
geck0so when I click a program, in the task bar it will say "starting firefox..." for instance?09:17
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cheeseboycan i limit the amount of ram a program uses?09:40
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TheSheep_cheeseboy: man ulimit10:21
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BFTDI have a PDF document and i want to take a page out of it and place it in its own PDF document10:29
TheSheep_BFTD: pdfcrop10:31
hyper_chhuhu TheSheep_10:33
hyper_chTheSheep_: did you know WAP hacking is easy?10:33
TheSheep_hyper_ch: it's normal html10:34
BFTD!info pdfcrop10:34
ubotuPackage pdfcrop does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas10:34
BFTD?10:34
hyper_chTheSheep_: sorry, I meant WPA :)10:34
BFTDTheSheep_ where do I get that program?10:34
TheSheep_BFTD: nevermind, use pdftk10:35
BFTDah thaks TheSheep_10:35
TheSheep_BFTD: 'burst' will spliti t into singlep ages10:35
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BFTDTheSheep_ are you having a brain fart?10:36
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tininhi, what should i change to fix the sreen resulution10:44
tininduring boot10:44
tininI've got an old monitor and i need to set vga=78910:45
tininbut i can't find where do i need to change it10:46
maxamilliontinin: that should be in your grub.conf10:47
tininok10:47
TheSheep_maxamillion: you mean /boot/grub/menu.lst ?10:48
tininyeah10:48
tinini couln't find grub.conf10:49
maxamillionTheSheep_: yeah ... that too10:49
maxamillion:P10:49
maxamillionsorry10:49
maxamillioni get my files mixed up10:49
tinindoes anyone have an 800x600 monitor?10:50
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tininI may have found where it fits in ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the alternatives10:53
tinin## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda510:54
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tinin# defoptions=quiet splash locale=es_ES10:54
maxamilliontinin: just add vga=789 at the end of the line for the one that loads the kernel10:54
tininaaaah thanx10:55
tinini thoght i had to uncomment that10:55
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tininoh10:58
tininnow i can see the boot sccreen, but only one part, it seems bigger than my screen10:59
tininbut this is better10:59
maxamilliontinin: well ... as long as things are improving :)11:01
tininyeah, now if i had internet on it, it would be great11:02
tininbut it does not seem to "just work" with my router11:03
maxamilliontinin: yeah, thats because xubuntu and your router both are set to negotiate via dhcp by default11:03
tininI need this pc for my mother and i was learning xfce. Is there any tool to change net parameters?11:04
tininI mean any other than the "network settings"11:05
hyper_chtinin: what's not working there?11:05
vidd_laptoptinin, you CAN set it manually by configuring the /etc/network/interfaces file11:07
tininI copied there all the settings from the other pc i run (with kubuntu) except that i set up a different ip11:07
tininIs there any way to know what happens11:07
tininping11:07
tininnetstat11:07
tininifconfig11:07
tinin?11:07
vidd_laptoptinin, are you using the network-admin tool?11:08
vidd_laptopor are you manually editing the config file?11:08
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tininsrorry, i come back in a min11:09
tininhere, i was searching for another cable to conect the xubuntu pc, because right now i need to unplug my pc from the net to connect the old one11:15
tininvidd_laptop i was using the network-admin tool11:16
tinini did not know where that config file was11:16
vidd_laptopthat is fine11:16
vidd_laptopdo you want the "old" computer to have a static ip?11:17
tininyes11:17
tinini think11:17
tininit would be better for amule11:17
vidd_laptopok....what is the ip address of your gateway?11:17
vidd_laptopthat would be the ip address of the router11:18
tinin192.168.1.111:18
tininyes11:18
vidd_laptop....11:18
tininbut11:19
tininit does not connect to the router11:19
vidd_laptopout of curiosity...what is the ip address of your modem?11:19
tinineach time i put that on firefox11:19
tininip address of your modem?11:19
tininhow should it look like?11:19
tininits a router11:20
vidd_laptopok...then never mind about that....11:20
vidd_laptopopen a terminal....11:20
vidd_laptopis your network on eth0 or something else?11:21
tininsorry i only need to see some light about this, because it just don't work and i dont knw where to star11:21
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tininwait11:21
tinini haven't got it connected now11:21
tininif i connect i should disconnect this11:22
tininso it would be great just to hear your opinion about what is happening11:22
tininjust tell me what to do now11:23
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vidd_laptopwhat is your network card's name?11:25
tininshould i know it ?11:25
tininwith ifconfig?11:25
vidd_laptopeth0, eth1.....?11:25
tinineth011:26
cellofellowls /dev/eth*11:26
tinincellofellow it tells me "no such file or directory"11:27
tininmaybe because it is not connected to the router right now?11:27
maxamillioncellofellow: same here11:27
maxamilliontinin: no, i think that's just not a valid command11:27
tinin'ahhh11:28
tininok11:28
cellofellowme too11:28
cellofellowI thought eth0 was in /dev. Must be somewhere else.11:28
maxamillioncellofellow: i believe what you wanted was "ls /dev/ | grep eth" but ... apparently eth isn't in /dev11:29
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maxamillionahhh11:29
vidd_laptoptinin, AFTER you  plug that computer in....11:29
tininok11:29
tinintell11:29
cellofellowmaxamillion: it isn't in /dev. Where is it then? It used to be. That was Edgy I guess though.11:30
vidd_laptoptype sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth011:30
cellofellowdoes locate index /dev ?11:30
maxamillioncellofellow: i'm on debian etch ... its not there either11:30
tininand then?11:30
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vidd_laptopenjoy the internet11:30
tininahhh11:30
tinini hope so11:31
cellofellowmaxamillion: what kernel?11:31
tininmom will be grateful11:31
tinincoming back to tell11:31
maxamillioncellofellow: 2.6.1811:32
cellofellowI got 2.6.2011:32
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cellofellowI'm now confused. Where did the eth device go?11:33
maxamillioncellofellow: i don't know ... i am looking now11:34
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Pumpernickelcellofellow, maxamillion: http://www.redhat.com/archives/guinness-list/2002-October/msg00031.html11:36
LectusHello! I tried to install IceWM on Xubuntu, but not all the programs that appear on XFCE menu appear on ICEWM menu. Can anyone help me fixing it? Or can anyone recommend a IceWM-centric distro? I'd prefer to have Xubuntu with IceWM installed and configured though. Thanks!11:38
maxamillionPumpernickel: ah, thanks .... so its kinda like the net devices are managed by a HAL style steup11:38
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cellofellowPumpernickel: ok. That makes more sense now. I suppose you can have more network devices, and do more with them, when they are in that /etc thing.11:39
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cellofellowis there a cli word processor? A rich text editor in curses or something like that?11:41
maxamillioncellofellow: lemme check11:42
maxamillioncellofellow: not that i know of ... might as well learn Latex for formatting ;)11:44
cellofellowok11:45
maxamillioncellofellow: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Misc/LaTeX-Tutorial/LaTeX-Home.html11:45
maxamillioncellofellow: its something i keep telling myself i will learn, but then i continue to use abiword because i am lazy11:45
cellofellow:) :/11:45
cellofellowLaTeX sounds so complicated.11:45
maxamillioncellofellow: yeah, i don't doubt it is11:46
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tinin_no luck :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27855/11:46
tinin_that's what i get from sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth011:47
tinin_and my interfaces file11:47
tinin_any other thing i can look up for?11:48
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maxamillioni'm out! gotta run11:48
geck0howdy11:48
vidd_laptoptinin_, you do not have the box set with a static ip....11:48
geck0got a couple quick questions if anyone can help-11:48
tinin_ok11:49
cellofellow!ask | geck011:49
ubotugeck0: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)11:49
tinin_maybe not now11:49
geck01. why can't I just click and drag to make a box around several icons to select them11:49
tinin_I tried all combinations i could vidd_laptop11:49
cellofellow1. Cause XFCE isn't a full-featured desktop. It's more lightweight, and that is a "full feature".11:49
cellofellowgeck0: next?11:50
tinin_should i try again with it as static?11:50
vidd_laptoptinin_, you need to change "dhcp" in your /etc/network/interfaces file to "static"11:50
geck0ah ok, so there is no way to add that feature?11:50
cellofellownot without coding it in yourself.11:50
geck0k11:50
vidd_laptopand then its hould work11:50
tinin_ok11:50
geck0next question, I tried to configure my time to auto update according to some servers after searching for how to do it11:50
geck0but it doesn't seem to be working?11:50
cellofellowgeck0: are the ntp packages installed? If they are, just checking the box in time-admin should work.11:51
tinin_but i'll do it from the network tool, cause it's easier for me11:51
tinin_back again11:51
geck0I think they are, how do I check?11:52
geck0I've already done the thing where I click "keep synchronized with internet servers" and it asks if I want to add NTP support, and I chose yes11:52
geck0I have 2 servers checked in the "Select Servers" menu, however it says it's 1:30am right now. and its 5:00 PM =P11:53
geck0Also, the Synchronize now option is greyed out (like I can't click on it), if that means anything11:54
cellofellowgeck0: what timezone did you set?11:54
geck0America/Chicago11:54
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cellofellowshould work. Is your BIOS set to UTC?11:56
geck0eek I don't know, how can I check?11:56
geck0I know how to get to the BIOS screen11:56
cellofellowdunno11:57
geck0hmm OK, I'm toying around with BIOS settings now11:57
geck0Well, I don't see any options that have a UTC in them11:59
geck0hmm I guess I'll just set the clock manually then and not worry about synchronizing it. Third Question: I've heard about pre-linking and readahead, do any of you know how to use these options, so I could potentially shorten the load time of firefox/open office, etc?12:01
geck0heh you might think this is funny...I changed my clock in the BIOS, and it was set to 2001.  Now when I booted up xubuntu again, it says /dev/sda1 has gone 2285 days without being checked, check forced.12:03
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vidd_laptoptinin_, survey says?12:06
tinin_ well i changed to static ip and tried sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth012:06
tinin_ and nothing12:07
tinin_ i even rebooted and tried agan and nothing12:07
tinin_I got this error when i log into xfce"Could not look up for internet address for pcpunk... It may be possible to correct the problem by adding pcpunk to the file /etc/hosts on your system"12:07
tinin_it's weird, Is maybe that the network card does not work well? i've got another to put there12:07
tinin_survey says command not found12:08
vidd_laptoptinin_, on that pc, check the /etc/resolv.conf12:09
tinin_ah12:09
vidd_laptopmake sure the ip address is 192.168.1.1 and NOT 127.0.0.112:09
tinin_there it says12:10
cellofellowgeck0: don't worry about that. UTC means that UNIX expects the harware clock to be set to UTC, which is the same as Greenwich Mean Time.12:10
tinin_nameserver 80.58.61.25012:10
tinin_nameserver 80.58.61.25412:10
cellofellowgeck0: so set the BIOS (hardware) clock to UTC, and then your timezone thing should check out.12:10
tinin_domain pcpunk-domain12:10
tinin_that's all12:11
tinin_those are the dns i put on the network tool12:11
vidd_laptopis that your dns servers?12:12
tinin_yes12:12
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tinin_i think12:12
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tinin_i copied from the pc running kubuntu12:12
tinin_that is what resolv.cof says12:13
vidd_laptopif you set it to your gateway, then it will pass the correct stuff to your box12:13
tinin_how?12:13
tinin_how should resolv.conf look like?12:14
slow-motionn812:15
cellofellowI have a DNS mirror/server on 192.168.0.3, so my resolv.conf points to that. My router is 192.168.0.2 and my gateway is 192.168.0.1.12:16
cellofellowI use DHCP from the server to set my IP (which is still always the same) and my gateway, etc.12:17
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tinin_this is what my ifconfig says12:20
tinin_http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27875/12:20
tinin_i'm like a blind in the jungle12:23

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