[01:54] <ardaz27> anyone have experience getting linksys usb200m working with xubuntu?
[01:55] <Jester45> !logs
[01:55] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[01:55] <ardaz27> thanks
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> if your sudoer file gets corrupt, how can you fix it?
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> without reinstalling?
[03:52] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: did you try sudo visudo?
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> got the same error message
[03:53] <j1mc> what is the error message?
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 20 <<<  sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 20
[03:54] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: well, go to the line 20 of that file and look what is wrong
[03:54] <j1mc> does: sudo nano /etc/sudoers work?
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> no
[03:54] <j1mc> you can't open the file at all?
[03:54] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: why not?
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> j1mc, no, same error
[03:55] <TheSheep> ah, sudo
[03:55] <TheSheep> :)
[03:55] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: boot into recovery mode :)
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, from grub?
[03:56] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: how did it get corrupted?
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> uhm....mistype
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> was looking at the file....
[03:57] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: well, you have to get into root acocunt somehow
[03:58] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: recovery mode is one way
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> but will it work with sudo out of commission and no root passwrd?
[04:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: doesn't recovery mode give you the root console right after boot?
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> idk...i never used it b4
[04:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: if not there are other methods -- passing init=/bin/bash to kernel options or booting from livecd
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> anything that can be done remotely?
[04:01] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: find a security hole and exploit it ;)
[04:01] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: visudo validates the sudoers file prior to saving it.  i admit to using sudo nano /etc/sudoers file previously myself, but ... not anymore.
[04:01] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: you *really* wouldn't want it to be possible remotely :)
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> oh sweet.....
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> i DID make a user that aliased root....
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> im in
[04:04] <TheSheep> and use visudo :)
[04:05] <TheSheep> even if you don't really know vi -- every admin should know vi
[04:11] <pinkwerks> Hi, just booted up xubuntu 7.04 live cd, xfce4-panel fails to start... is this fixed in a newer (beta) version of the cd?
[04:11] <pinkwerks> i can start it manually just fine, but i'm trying to pass this off to my mom
[04:12] <j1mc> pinkwerks: what are the specs on the system?
[04:12] <pinkwerks> dell laptop, inspiron 9300
[04:12] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: I think the problem only appears on some computers
[04:12] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: let me check the bug report
[04:12] <pinkwerks> k was, looking thru the bugs but didn't find anything, then again maybe i didn't query it right :-P
[04:13] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: I can't get used to using this search -- it almost seem self-aware and malicious
[04:14] <pinkwerks> also, if I close the terminal which i lanuch `xfce4-panel &` from it kills the panel - weird.
[04:14] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: that's normal -- the processes form a tree in linux
[04:14] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: if you kill one process, you also kill all its children
[04:15] <pinkwerks> um, but i backgrounded it...
[04:17] <j1mc> pinkwerks: an inspiron 9300... does it have a PIII or PIV or... ?  and how much RAM?
[04:17] <pinkwerks> j1mc : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz, MemTotal:      1035696 kB
[04:18] <pinkwerks> j1mc : "centrino" not sure what that falls under
[04:18] <TheSheep> Bug #94182
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94182 in xfce "Missing panels in Xubuntu Feisty Fawn i386 LiveCD Herd 5 (dup-of: 53897)" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94182
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53897 in xfce4-panel "Disappearing panels Xubuntu dapper" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53897
[04:20] <pinkwerks> TheSheep : would I be 'better off' using v6. (dapper) or just have her double click the 'install' on the desktop and be over with it?  just trying to replace winxp on an old computer
[04:20] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: it all depends on what she uses it for
[04:20] <pinkwerks> it's possible that this won't even occur on the desktop system she'll be putting it on - well just email and web
[04:20] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: many times users feel hurt by forced transition to linux, and will hate it
[04:21] <pinkwerks> TheSheep, yah well as long as it comes up with firefox and thunderbird that's all she'll need
[04:22] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: I'm sure that even if the panels don't apper at the forst boot, it can be easily fixed
[04:22] <TheSheep> appear*
[04:22] <pinkwerks> TheSheep: i'll try this disk in the target system, hopefully it's a non-issue, thanks for the inputs
[04:22] <pinkwerks> ps - slick stuff!
[04:26] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: hmm... that duplicate bug shows that the panel disappearing happens often when yuo have faulty cd
[04:26] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: have you tested the cd for defects?
[04:26] <pinkwerks> TheSheep : I did the test before i used it :-/
[04:26] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: I'd advice doing it before install anywyas
[04:26] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[04:30] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: found out why the bug search is so malicious on me -- it won't display duplicate bugs
[04:30] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: by default, that is
[04:30] <pinkwerks> TheSheep: well I don't have much else to add, other than I hope it doesn't bork on the other machine - should I add some hardware info or anything to one of the bugs?
[04:31] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: might be useful. Even a simple 'mee too' sometimes helps
[04:32] <pinkwerks> Thanks again!
[04:37] <pinkwerks> Is there a handy command that will some up my system config for bug reports?
[04:39] <TheSheep> hmm.. there was something...
[04:39] <TheSheep> !info canoe
[04:39] <ubotu> canoe: Log file aggregator and report tool (Gtk2 frontend). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0-2 (feisty), package size 7 kB, installed size 120 kB
[04:39] <TheSheep> !info upstreamdev
[04:39] <ubotu> upstreamdev: Log file aggregator and report tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0-2 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 180 kB
[04:40] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: but I have no idea how to use it
[04:41] <pinkwerks> TheSheep : okay tanks
[06:55] <Jester45> skipping non-regular file "kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.manifest" anyone know why?
[06:57] <Jester45> oops
[06:58] <Jester45> wasnt copying the whole think
[06:58] <Jester45>  im trying to make a iso image mirror but when i run "rsync -r   rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ ./releases/" all get is a whole bunch of skipping non-regular file "kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.manifest" error or other files but same error
[07:15] <tyler__> anyone know how to get liquid wars game on xubuntu 6.06?
[07:15] <tyler__> grabbed some debs and well libc6 is older version
[07:15] <tyler__> dont' want to mess anything up :/
[07:16] <Ghostvirus> it's in the repos
[07:17] <tyler__> what is in the repos?
[07:17] <Ghostvirus> liquid war
[07:17] <tyler__> for 6.06 dapper?
[07:18] <Ghostvirus> according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/games/liquidwar it is
[07:18] <tyler__> ahh I got it now
[07:18] <tyler__> thought it was called liquid war(s)
[07:18] <tyler__> synaptic search function can be a bit crappy at times :(
[07:19] <Ghostvirus> yeah, sometimes it's best to just type in a single word and see if what you're looking for comes up
[07:19] <tyler__> umm..?
[07:19] <Ghostvirus> wtf
[07:20] <Ghostvirus> all of the 1337 users just got booted?
[07:20] <tyler__> hehe
[07:20] <Ghostvirus> that was weird
[07:20] <tyler__> yeah seriously
[07:20] <tyler__> that network must have had a failure
[07:20] <Ghostvirus> mmm
[07:21] <Ghostvirus> on the other hand, i'm currently connected thru the same server
[07:22] <tyler__> mrigns: omg you use aol?
[07:23] <tyler__> Ghostvirus: uh oh they coming back.. its like night of the zombies
[07:23] <juicyfruity> hello, how do I install fonts in xubuntu?
[07:23] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: fun's over
[07:23] <tyler__> juicyfruity: /etc/X11/xorg.conf edit it and play around in Settings under menu
[07:24] <Ghostvirus> juicyfruity: put them in ~/.fonts
[07:24] <juicyfruity> why should I edit xorg for fonts
[07:24] <juicyfruity> ......
[07:24] <tyler__> I dunno depends on what sort of fanciful fonts you aiming for ;)
[07:24] <ceil420> what reasons would Xorg have for using up 35% of my 512mb ram? (note: i did design a theme earlier and went back and forth testing it, but that was hours ago)
[07:25] <juicyfruity> thankyou, Ghostvirus, I was looking for some sort of frontend like in gnome!
[07:25] <Ghostvirus> juicyfruity: no problem. if you want to install fonts system-wide, toss them into /usr/share/fonts
[07:26] <tyler__> ceil420: if nothing else is using the ram then why not let it have 35%? I mean so long as it can be removed later for other apps
[07:26] <ceil420> tyler__, *can* it be removed later, when other apps need it?
[07:26] <tyler__> ceil420: could try ctrl alt backspace to reset xorg maybe
[07:27] <ceil420> tyler__, i'm trying to avoid that, cos i have an IRC bot running and it's a pain in the ass to start back up ;x
[07:27] <tyler__> ceil420: yeah I'm usually got my 512mb used up all the way and then I play a really big program and rest gets compressed down to near nothing its hard to get correct reading of ram usage
[07:27] <ceil420> (i really should give it a "on start" script to handle that crap)
[07:27] <ceil420> as long as it'll hand over the RAM when other stuff needs it, t's okay i guess
[07:27] <ceil420> i just noticed that my RAM usage was at 72% total instead of it's usual 52% :x
[07:28] <tyler__> ceil420: yeah it might slowly deteriorate over time back down to 50 some
[07:28] <ceil420> at first i thought it was Firefox raping my ram more than usual, then i looked at conky and it showed Xorg on top ><
[07:29] <tyler__> ceil420: what drivers you using for graphics anyway?
[07:29] <ceil420> uhm
[07:29] <ceil420> nvidia glx? :x
[07:29] <Ghostvirus> ceil420: i constantly have a problem with xorg eating my cpu
[07:29] <tyler__> kool I like nvidia cards
[07:29] <ceil420> not 100% sure; i had problems with it a few months ago
[07:29] <ceil420> i've been through like three of 'em
[07:30] <ceil420> Ghostvirus, Xorg never touches my CPU, and it's never this bad on my ram :o
[07:30] <tyler__> ghostvirus: if you don't have direct rendering setup that usually happens unless its a really good driver you got going
[07:30] <ceil420> usually my total CPU usage is between 2 and 8% when i'm not doin' anything (of 1.7ghz)
[07:31] <ceil420> usually my ram tops out at like 55% :x now even with Firefox closed it's at 62%
[07:31] <tyler__> ceil420: hmm there are hard drive things that comp usually does when its idle, like update search database, finish up ext3 journals, and shuffle about memory
[07:31] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: i'm running on the ati driver, direct rendering and everything, on a 64 MB Radeon Mobility 7500.  no idea why xorg pushes my cpu usage up so much
[07:31] <ceil420> with Xorg accounting for a (steady, at least) 35.83% of that
[07:31] <tyler__> ghostvirus: same card here in laptop I'm on, its a dell latitude c640
[07:32] <Ghostvirus> i'm not using any compositing either
[07:32] <Ghostvirus> wtf, again
[07:32] <ceil420> netsplits ftl :x
[07:32] <tyler__> damn channel spammers :P
[07:32] <ceil420> they're rare enough on freenode tho, to my knowledge
[07:32] <ceil420> it's real bad on networks like quakenet
[07:33] <tyler__> perhaps there was a new release of something awesome?
[07:33] <Ghostvirus> why is the xfce forum so dead?
[07:33] <tyler__> most use the ubuntu forum that's why, I mean there not many xubuntu specific things
[07:33] <tyler__> kubuntu is mostly dead too I bet
[07:34] <Ghostvirus> also, whatever happened to xubuntu.info?
[07:34] <ceil420> more distros than xubuntu use xfce tho :p
[07:34] <tyler__> I need a method to do integrated ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, and xubuntu search forum :)
[07:34] <tyler__> maybe some way to manage logging into them too
[07:35] <Ghostvirus> the xfce mailing lists are pretty active though
[07:36] <Ghostvirus> the thing i liked about xubuntu.info was that there was a forum specifically for xubuntu users, kind of like http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php
[07:38] <tyler__> ghostvirus: any good xfce reads you know of?
[07:39] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: not really. the xfce wiki has some interesting bits, but that's all i know of
[07:40] <Ghostvirus> xfce seems to be considered for old computers, and for power users
[07:40] <tyler__> I was kind of hoping on some current development topics
[07:40] <tyler__> xfce is awesome :)
[07:40] <tyler__> and most say linux is for power users so I'm hoping xfce stays true to its nature
[07:41] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev/
[07:41] <tyler__> ah thx
[07:41] <Ghostvirus> that mailing list is pretty active
[07:41] <Ghostvirus> i subscribed to it, but a lot of it is over my head, as i'm no programmer
[07:43] <tyler__> you post any to it?
[07:43] <Ghostvirus> nope. just subscribed today. and i don't want to make a nuisance of myself anyway
[07:44] <Ghostvirus> i mostly just want to stay up-to-date on what's happening
[07:44] <Ghostvirus> but yeah, not too many distros use xfce by default. most popular ones seem to be zenwalk, dreamlinux and xubuntu
[07:46] <test3r> i got issues  :p
[07:46] <tyler__> dreamlinux really tweaked the heck outta xfce there, lookts sort of like a mac
[07:46] <test3r> call it i need a BS in CS
[07:46] <test3r> call it sumthin. but i should b able to get a job ya htink
[07:47] <test3r> besides lame-o job
[07:47] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: yeah i know. that's why i don't like it. i hate that dock thing
[07:47] <tyler__> is that kiba dock?
[07:47] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: i think it's engage
[07:48] <tyler__> ah some them beryl users like using the kiba dock for special effects though
[07:48] <Ghostvirus> test3r: are you drunk? heh
[07:48] <test3r> =O
[07:48] <test3r> i just run Conky
[07:48] <test3r> drunk? no i wouldnt say that
[07:49] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: i could never get into the whole dock thing. it works on os x, but not on anything else i've seen
[07:49] <test3r> but i AM pretty tired . i think i have to sleep, wake, sleep then wake for my work shift
[07:49] <Ghostvirus> test3r: work sucks :(
[07:50] <test3r> its just tough switching over to night shift for my body what whatever reason
[07:50] <tyler__> ghostvirus: I never liked it either, why not just put tiny desktop icons there? like cut desktop in half bottom has small icons
[07:50] <test3r> yeah u could fit alot more in the same place
[07:50] <tyler__> processing refresh on that would be a mess
[07:50] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: i dunno. i've always liked the 1 panel on he bottom setup, like windows
[07:51] <Ghostvirus> i sound like a heretic
[07:51] <tyler__> yeah! if panel is on top its like having mouse buttons reversed to left handed
[07:51] <tyler__> can't function right
[07:51] <test3r> i stil use two pannel default setup
[07:51] <tyler__> besides you have to break your neck looking up at screen and tilting laptop up
[07:51] <test3r> with a slew of usermade icons on the top lol
[07:52] <tyler__> hey anyone here have an irc client that outputs new posts on top?
[07:52] <tyler__> then why have a desktop like that!?
[07:52] <Ghostvirus> my setup is pretty minimal. i'm running at 1024x768 so space is precious
[07:52] <TheSheep_> tyler__: because it's *your* way that's backwards ;)
[07:52] <tyler__> nah I sort of like having a hidden panel that pops out on the right
[07:52] <TheSheep_> tyler__: you're just conditioned
[07:53] <test3r> Dinosaurs! RUN!
[07:53] <Ghostvirus> rofl
[07:53] <Ghostvirus> nice exit right there
[07:53] <TheSheep_> folr
[07:53] <tyler__> Ghostvirus: rawrrgh
[07:54] <TheSheep_> too much of xkcd, apparently
[07:54] <tyler__> xkcd?
[07:54] <TheSheep_> tyler__: .com
[07:54] <Ghostvirus> TheSheep: hey look, a new one: http://xkcd.com/c283.html
[07:54] <tyler__> hehe nice
[07:55] <TheSheep_> tyler__: it's amazing
[07:55] <Ghostvirus> you guys read perry bible fellowship?
[07:56] <Ghostvirus> http://www.pbfcomics.com/
[07:56] <Ghostvirus> best damn webcomic out there
[07:56] <TheSheep_> maybe we should move over next door to #xubuntu-offtopic?
[07:56] <Ghostvirus> i'm there
[07:58] <Ghostvirus> so you guys ever try zenwalk?
[08:27] <siimo> hi anyone know of any weird XFCE bug in Gutsy causing Xorg lockups about 5 mins in from starting X
[08:53] <light[afk] > hiya, can anyone help me automatically have my CPU governor change when I plug in my laptop?
[10:15] <Dual> hello every1
[10:15] <Dual> im trying to format/install xubntu feisty over ubuntu edgy! the instalation reach 54% and hangs there!
[10:15] <Dual> now i cant start up with xp nor linux!
[10:16] <Dual> at boot it gives me grub error 15
[10:21] <TheSheep_> Dual: what is it doing at 54%?
[10:21] <TheSheep_> 'generating anthy dict'?
[10:21] <Dual> copying files
[10:21] <Dual> and stops
[10:21] <Dual> there
[10:22] <TheSheep_> Dual: have you checked the cd for defects?
[10:22] <Dual> ya i did
[10:22] <Dual> it had one error
[10:22] <Dual> so i burned it again and again and again
[10:22] <Dual> did it 5 times!
[10:22] <TheSheep_> !md5
[10:23] <Dual>  ii did it as well
[10:23] <Dual> they dont have the hash of xubuntu 7.04
[10:23] <Dual> the latest is 6..
[10:23] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[10:23] <TheSheep_> how come?
[10:23] <TheSheep_> Dual: well, if the cd is broken, there is small chance it will work :/
[10:23] <Dual> TheSheep_ check it
[10:24] <Dual> TheSheep_ its not! thts the thing..
[10:24] <Dual> i tried 4
[10:24] <Dual> and i even went and bought a new 100 cd pack just to b sure
[10:24] <TheSheep_> Dual: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/MD5SUMS
[10:25] <Dual> ok TheSheep_ just a sec lemme check
[10:25] <Dual> k its calculating
[10:26] <Dual> meanwhile.. i downloaded the iso on 2 seperate occasions! using a download manager
[10:26] <Dual> would tht cause a prob?
[10:26] <TheSheep_> shouldn't
[10:26] <Dual> hmm
[10:26] <Dual> theyre different :S
[10:27] <Dual> tried the 2 i386  theyre both different!
[10:28] <TheSheep_> Dual: look on the bright side -- your cd burner is ok :)
[10:28] <Dual> lol
[10:28] <Dual> ya well wanna use my desktop in the near future though..
[10:28] <Dual> cant even format with xp!
[10:28] <Dual> it shuts down by itself when i try to delete the C partition
[10:28] <Dual> im thinking of zapping it
[10:29] <Dual> but i have 9 gb of IMPORTANt data over it :S
[10:29] <TheSheep_> Dual: how long would a new download take?
[10:29] <Dual> forever
[10:30] <Dual> 15 kb.. :S
[10:30] <TheSheep_> Dual: you can try downloading DSL or some other small distro, prepare partitions with it and then install xp (just for the time being)
[10:30] <Dual> i could do it at work though theres download limitation
[10:30] <Dual> ya i could do tht
[10:30] <Dual> how small is "small distro" ?
[10:30] <TheSheep_> Dual: there are linux dikettes :)
[10:31] <Dual> am a newbie when it comes to linux! i tried ubuntu and then decided to switch to xubuntu and all this mess happened
[10:31] <TheSheep_> Dual: you don't have the ubuntu cd anymore?
[10:32] <Dual> no
[10:32] <Dual> bought the pc with ubuntu allready installed
[10:32] <TheSheep_> always check the checksum before burning, and the cd for defects before installing -- this simply saves time and hassle
[10:32] <Dual> true
[10:33] <Dual> i shouldve though i was a bit excited bout the xubuntu issue since my desktoip is a low end pc..
[10:33] <Dual> and ubuntu were kinda making it hang every now and then
[10:33] <TheSheep_> Dual: maybe you have a LUG nearby and someone could help you with his livecd
[10:33] <Dual> a frind has red hat
[10:33] <TheSheep_> Dual: or there is a magazine that has some linux attached to it
[10:34] <Dual> anyway could u guide me to the "small distro" u told me about!
[10:34] <TheSheep_> Dual: better this than nothing
[10:34] <TheSheep_> Dual: let me see what there is -- I haven't checked recently
[10:34] <Dual> ok thank you:) srry if im bothering you with this
[10:39] <TheSheep_> Dual: ok, there seem to be no diskette-based distros recently :/
[10:39] <TheSheep_> Dual: the smallest I see are aboiut 50MB
[10:40] <Dual> well thts gr8
[10:40] <Dual> its perfect i could get it in 30 min
[10:40] <Dual> could u provide me a link plz
[10:40] <TheSheep_> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html
[10:41] <Dual> thank you
[10:41] <Dual> so i do the installation exactly like other distro right?
[10:41] <TheSheep_> Dual: this is a live cd
[10:41] <TheSheep_> Dual: it has an option to copy itself on the hard drive though
[10:42] <TheSheep_> Dual: it has a basic set of applications, including firefox
[10:42] <TheSheep_> Dual: ain't pretty, but should do until you get something better
[10:42] <Dual> ya exactly
[10:42] <Dual> thank you
[10:43] <Dual> and once again sorry if i bothered
[10:43] <Dual> ill give it a try and if anythign came up ill get back ...
[10:43] <Dual> once again
[10:43] <Dual> thanks
[10:44] <TheSheep_> no problem
[03:38] <tinin> Hi! Could someone show me how to connect a xubuntu pc to a router?
[03:53] <kafran> I'm thinking my resolution so small :S
[03:53] <kafran> and when I try to change, its so stranger :S
[04:30] <k_> im having a bit of an issue with plugin menus in firefox.  whenever i have my browser on my second monitor (xinerama) - none of my menus show properly.  is there a way to fix this?
[04:31] <k_> its like firefox expects 1024x768 but its 1280x1024
[05:00] <cheeseboy> hi
[05:00] <cheeseboy> my pc has terrible specs
[05:00] <cheeseboy> and i cant upgrade
[05:00] <cheeseboy> any way i can make it faster?
[05:06] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: you can run something like fluxbox or icewm
[05:07] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: i have an old computer here at work and with a debian base install with fluxbox ontop i use 27mb of ram at an idle fresh login
[05:07] <cheeseboy> but i want to be able to run xfce and other programs
[05:08] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: well you can run all programs you want from within either fluxbox, xfce, icewm, gnome, kde, etc...
[05:09] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: but to run xfce you might want to try uninstalling things you don't need or use
[05:09] <cheeseboy> i installed from command line
[05:22] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: installing from command line doesn't really make a difference
[05:46] <BFTD> hey slow-motion
[05:46] <slow-motion> hi BFTD
[05:47] <BFTD> nice day eh?
[06:02] <kafran> how to burn an dvd iso to a dvd from comand line?
[06:03] <Jester45> !dvd-tools
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd-tools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:04] <Jester45> !dvd+rw-tools
[06:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd+rw-tools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:04] <Jester45> ok, install dvd-rw-tools
[06:05] <Jester45> dvd+rw-tools*
[06:14] <abo> hello wireless not working with network-manager i hear there is some shell script available to make it work ?
[06:21] <abo> maybe another app then the network-manager ? is there another way ?
[06:22] <Jester45> its kinda dead in here
[06:23] <abo> yes it is
[06:27] <abo> i used to run suse it worked there so my wireless is supported by kernel, so the configurations is only not correct
[06:27] <Jester45> hey cellofellow vidd said its ok to run a test site on his server
[06:27] <Jester45> or not...
[06:36] <abo> i'm going to try to configure it again, try some new triks :(
[06:39] <MrMist> Hi all
[06:40] <MrMist> I'm wondering.. Previously I've installed XUbuntu with the standard settings. Now I've got a separate boot-partition, where I'd like GRUB to reside. How do I do this ?
[06:41] <Jester45> i think grub resides in the Master Boot Record, aka hd0
[06:42] <Jester45> i think it has to stay there unless you use something else to point to the new location
[06:43] <MrMist> Hmm
[06:43] <MrMist> I've installed Gentoo from before, and there I made a separate partition for GRUB and the kernel
[06:44] <Jester45> im might be wrong
[06:44] <Jester45> its probably my windows showing
[06:45] <dan40> how do you throttle the cpu and HD?
[06:46] <MrMist> How about alternate install ? Is that what I'm after ??
[06:46] <Jester45> hey cellofellow vidd said its ok to run a test site on his server
[06:47] <cellofellow> Jester45: sweet. I'll do that a bit later, I have schoolwork first.
[06:47] <Jester45> but, he erased his sudoers list :) so he cant make a ftp user right now
[06:47] <cellofellow> Jester45: so, do I have something like /home/cellofellow and vidd.us/~cellofellow available?
[06:47] <cellofellow> dang
[06:48] <Jester45> yes
[06:48] <cellofellow> sounds like a livecd+chroot to the rescue situation.
[06:48] <Jester45> yep, but its a headless server thats colocated that doesnt have a cd drive
[06:49] <dan40> how do you throttle the cpu and HD? I heard that with Ubuntu you can do that.
[06:49] <MrMist> throttle the CPU ?
[06:49] <cellofellow> you need hardware that supports it
[06:50] <MrMist> I've got a Core Duo laptop, and it supports throttling only because the default operating speed is 1GHz/core (to save the battery)
[06:50] <dan40> This is a laptop that I am interested in throttling
[06:50] <MrMist> It's automatic
[06:50] <Jester45> !repeat | MrMist
[06:50] <ubotu> MrMist: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:51] <MrMist> Jester45: Huh ??
[06:51] <dan40> oh..I guess I was mistakin I thought you could lower the cycles on any app
[06:51] <Jester45> eeer
[06:51] <Jester45> thats for dan40
[06:52] <MrMist> Jester45: Hehe.. OK :)
[06:52] <Jester45> you can use load balancing or you can also limit the clock rate of a cpu
[06:52] <dan40> ok, how do you limit the clock rate?
[06:53] <Jester45> the number of level is called steppings
[06:53] <dan40> yeah..thats what I read about...steppings
[06:53] <MrMist> Is there any pros or cons about having a separate boot-partition?
[06:53] <dan40> I couldn't remember the terminology
[06:53] <MrMist> Wouldn't it make things easier if installing multiple Linux-versions f.eks. ?
[06:54] <Jester45> run cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep stepping to see if you can use it
[06:54] <dan40> !steppings
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about steppings - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <Jester45> mrigns, you dont want to mix kernels unless you custom made them, ubuntu makes their own kernels redhat makes other
[06:54] <MrMist> Cool. My CPU does :D
[06:55] <dan40> result ..steppings: 10
[06:55] <Jester45> then you can do 10 diffrent levels
[06:55] <Jester45> whats the cpu
[06:55] <Jester45> do cat /proc/cpuinfo to find out
[06:56] <dan40> k...one sec
[06:56] <MrMist> Jester45: Yeah, I know. But having separate OS'es would work, right? One partition for XUbuntu, one for gentoo etc. Of course, the programs have to be installed separately for each OS
[06:57] <dan40> result: Genuine Intel Pentium III 846.666 Mhz
[06:57] <MrMist> Still, only one version of GRUB could be run.
[06:57] <Jester45> MrMist, yes, but each distro shouldnt use the same kernel because each distro makes their own kernels, the only reson to use the same kernel would be a extreme lack of space a custom kernel of your own making or the vanilla kernel
[06:58] <Jester45> they can use the same grub
[06:59] <Jester45> hiya hyper_ch
[06:59] <hyper_ch> hiho Jester45
[07:00] <Jester45> vidd erased his sudoers file :)
[07:01] <hyper_ch> Jester45: why?
[07:01] <MrMist> Jester45: I'm not talking about using the same kernel, I can see that. Each OS would have it's own kernel. But the argument for putting the kernel into the boot-partition, might be to lessen the access time or something. Different kernels might reside in one partition, right? I could set GRUB to point to separate partitions for "/root" for each respective kernel
[07:01] <hyper_ch> btw, alinghi won today
[07:01] <dan40> Jester45: ok if I now know that I can do ten steps, can I adjust that from the command line?
[07:02] <dan40> alinghi? Like as in sailing?
[07:02] <Jester45> dan40, im not sure you might want to look at google
[07:02] <hyper_ch> dan40: yes
[07:03] <hyper_ch> 3 : 2 (Swizz vs. NZL)
[07:03] <dan40> Was that Americas cup? Luis Vuitton?
[07:03] <hyper_ch> America's Cup
[07:03] <dan40> Oh snap..I didn't know that was going on
[07:03] <Jester45> kafran, did you like the netsplit?
[07:03] <hyper_ch> dan40: well, here it's a big thing :)
[07:04] <dan40> Where is here? I don't even know where the America's cup is being held this year?
[07:04] <MrMist> Jester45: I'm totally into the idea that precompiled OS'es saves a LOT of time. However, I need to have the possibility to play around with Gentoo as well. I'm doing lots of Gentoo-related stuff at work.
[07:04] <Jester45> should be in america
[07:05] <hyper_ch> dan40: Valencia, Spain
[07:05] <Jester45> MrMist, you can have more than one kernel in a partition just make sure gentoo doesnt write over ubuntu's or the other way around (maybe write protect the file?)
[07:05] <dan40> ah...Val-enth-e-a
[07:06] <dan40> I wish I had the money to go sailing in different places around the world
[07:06] <Jester45> kafran, growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=/path/to/file.iso
[07:06] <hyper_ch> Jester45: america's cup is there where the last winning team came from
[07:06] <hyper_ch> Jester45: and as you may know, it's a bit hard to have a sea regatta in Switzerland ^^
[07:07] <dan40> hehe
[07:07] <dan40> very true
[07:07] <Jester45> if i won i would say i lived in Antarctica so everony would have to go up there and freeze while i stay south and warm
[07:08] <hyper_ch> lake constance isn't quite suited for America's cup... but it would be fun
[07:10] <MrMist> Jester45: It's easy, really. When compiling the kernel, Gentoo doesn't automatically put it in the /boot partition. One has to copy it there. So there's no real risk involved :D
[07:10] <dan40> there was some talk about having it in San Francisco, where I used to live, many years ago. The bay has a huge sailing history and culture. It would be well received.
[07:11] <MrMist> "If you're going to saaaan fraaan siscooo"
[07:11] <dan40> oh no ...not singing
[07:11] <MrMist> <- singing out loud
[07:12] <Jester45> they should do it where i live, missouri the river would make the race fun
[07:13] <dan40> I am sure everyone would jump at the chance to put their $100 million dollar boats in the river
[07:13] <Jester45> yep :)
[07:15] <Jester45> i would
[07:15] <MrMist> 100$ million? :|
[07:15] <MrMist> On BOATS?
[07:16] <Jester45> not boats they spend it on a boat
[07:16] <dan40> well they usually have a backup too.
[07:17] <MrMist> Either way... I'm just baffled by the simple amount of money involved
[07:17] <dan40> It a big deal...
[07:18] <dan40> The boats are SUPER high tech. The bleeding edge of design.
[07:18] <MrMist> Here I'm scratching my head about what to do.. Trying to get hold of an apartment in Oslo, but it seems to expensive for me...
[07:18] <MrMist> and that's like... 250-300k $ !?
[07:19] <MrMist> dan40: I don't doubt it. But it still seems a LOT of cash.
[07:20] <hyper_ch> I wouldn't say no to that cash
[07:20] <MrMist> I'm a math guy... I'm taking a masters degree in it:P And there's no denying the fact that money drives much of the research being done...
[07:20] <MrMist> BUT... the research for what? Creating faster boats?
[07:21] <MrMist> Or creating faster cars? (in the case of Formula1 etc.)
[07:21] <Jester45> or intel making a 80 core cpu?
[07:22] <MrMist> Jester45: Now, THAT research I can understand :) But a CPU is more a tool than a new engine
[07:23] <dan40> yes, popular hull design definately takes influence from America's cup designed boats.
[07:23] <MrMist> dan40: Jester45: Actually, I'm studying splines. The fundamental basis in designing boat hulls etc :P
[07:24] <dan40> Most of the money, like formula 1, comes from Corp sponsors. In the cas of Alinghi, I think its british telecom and UBS
[07:27] <MrMist> dan40: Yeah. It probably does. Guess there's lots of money to be made by tuning engines new ways etc. too.
[07:27] <MrMist> One should be able to use some of it when making new engines etc.
[07:27] <dan40> yep
[07:28] <dan40> darn, the only thing I am finding on stepping uses Gnome
[07:40] <dan40> whats the command to see what kernel I am using?
[07:40] <Jester45> uname -r
[07:42] <dan40> ah ..k. got it. thanks
[07:52] <MrMist> Anyone installed XUbuntu with a separate boot-partition ?
[07:59] <grazie> MrMist: yep
[08:01] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[08:02] <Enola_Gay> Does xubuntu have the same update manager like Ubuntu?
[08:02] <Jester45> yes
[08:02] <Jester45> its doesnt have the notifier but it still auto updates
[08:02] <Enola_Gay> Which mail client is used? Where can I see the main differences/features of Xubuntu?
[08:03] <Enola_Gay> How?
[08:03] <Jester45> and haas the little program that you can manually check for updates
[08:03] <Jester45> mozilla-thunardbird is used
[08:03] <Jester45> thunderbird*
[08:03] <Enola_Gay> Ubuntu has an auto updater too but only for security updates if you activate it.
[08:03] <Enola_Gay> So how this works without notify?
[08:04] <Jester45> it will auto install them but not tell you
[08:04] <Enola_Gay> All possible updates?
[08:04] <Enola_Gay> :)
[08:04] <Jester45> umm i think so
[08:05] <Jester45> i dont use them i use a cron job
[08:05] <Jester45> or tab what ever you wanna call it
[08:07] <Enola_Gay> Does it use the network manager?
[08:10] <Enola_Gay> What are the penalties?
[08:10] <b52lap> hi
[08:10] <b52lap> i got this error  network-admin
[08:11] <b52lap> (network-admin:16125): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[08:11] <hyper_ch> Jester45: auto-updater in xubuntu??? where?
[08:12] <hyper_ch> dvd decrypter rocks :)
[08:14] <Jester45> hyper_ch, you might want to look at synatic a bit more it has options to auto download and install
[08:14] <Jester45> i like the auto download my self
[08:14] <hyper_ch> Jester45: auto-install is not activated by default and neither is auto-download
[08:15] <hyper_ch> and then, I don't use synaptic ;)
[08:15] <Jester45> yea... but it still has it
[08:15] <Jester45> nor do i
[08:15] <Jester45> i used it once
[08:15] <Jester45> i was looking for games
[08:15] <hyper_ch> Jester45: the way you said it it sounded like it will auto-download and auto-install
[08:15] <Jester45> and it has a batter layout
[08:15] <Jester45> there is 2 options
[08:15] <Jester45> or 3
[08:15] <Enola_Gay> auto updater is very important imho or at least notification
[08:16] <Jester45> no auto anything auto downoad but no install or auto download and autoinstall
[08:16] <hyper_ch> Enola_Gay: auto-update isn't important
[08:16] <Enola_Gay> not for nerds and geeks
[08:16] <Jester45> Enola_Gay, hyper_ch is right its not important at all
[08:16] <Enola_Gay> but for normal people
[08:16] <hyper_ch> Enola_Gay: I check everyday for updates... just a habit from the pre-releases where there are everyday updates :)
[08:16] <Jester45> its a very nice addition
[08:16] <Enola_Gay> you are a nerd :-D
[08:16] <hyper_ch> Enola_Gay: hmmm, you use linux... that would qualify you as a geek
[08:17] <Jester45> dependson how you are using "use linux"
[08:17] <Enola_Gay> I know, but I want to install Linux on Computers of normal people like my mother and so on :)
[08:17] <Jester45> somepeople use linux without knowing that you replaced windows
[08:17] <Enola_Gay> that's the plan
[08:17] <hyper_ch> Jester45: normal is what the average does
[08:17] <Jester45> im above normal
[08:17] <hyper_ch> Jester45: and the average number of people don't use linux
[08:18] <hyper_ch> Jester45: hence you are not normal when using linux
[08:18] <Jester45> the normal linux user is a geek
[08:18] <hyper_ch> yeah
[08:18] <Enola_Gay> I know but I think Linux is perfect for Newbies since is secure and has everything they need
[08:18] <hyper_ch> "normality" depends on your reference group
[08:18] <Jester45> but there is an increasing amount of those geeks replace windows on peoples machines for them
[08:18] <Enola_Gay> and in many cases easier to manager because of app updates and so on
[08:19] <hyper_ch> Enola_Gay: it is by design more secure than windows... but that won't stop you from making it open like windows if you want to
[08:19] <Jester45> yea i say dependingon what they do its a lot simpler than windows because of the package manger with updates
[08:20] <Jester45> like run wine with root powers :)
[08:20] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I also think that the repos make it simpler and and more secure as you know those are trusted packages
[08:20] <Jester45> i dont trust them :)
[08:20] <hyper_ch> right now ripping dvds with wine+dvddecrypter
[08:20] <Jester45> hyper_ch, why not just use acidrip
[08:21] <hyper_ch> Jester45: dunno... I just know how to handle dvd decrypter even with some scratched dvds
[08:21] <Jester45> i think acidrip is much better
[08:21] <Jester45> because it uses mencoder
[08:22] <Jester45> and mencoder is god of encoding
[08:22] <hyper_ch> Jester45: it's ripping... not encoding
[08:22] <Jester45> are you making an iso ? or avi
[08:22] <hyper_ch> wohoo, gpl3 is out
[08:22] <hyper_ch> iso
[08:22] <Jester45> o
[08:23] <Jester45> well, you could use dd then
[08:23] <Jester45> :) its simple
[08:23] <hyper_ch> Jester45: not with scratched dvds
[08:23] <Jester45> dont scratch your dvds
[08:24] <hyper_ch> I didn't...
[08:24] <hyper_ch> that happened on its own
[08:24] <hyper_ch> ^^
[08:24] <Jester45> or better yet, use torents to get a new copy :)
[08:25] <Jester45> well im off to work
[08:28] <b52lap> any one got an idea               xhost
[08:28] <b52lap> xhost:  unable to open display "0:0"
[08:31] <hyper_ch> now that was interesting
[08:53] <ed__> does anyone here have experience setting up and getting to work nomachine NX server?
[09:16] <ed__> does anyone have experience setting up and getting to work nomachine NX server?
[09:16] <not_Jester45> !repeat
[09:16] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:17] <geck0> does anyone know how to add the "activity meter", like ubuntu has, to Xubuntu
[09:17] <geck0> so when I click a program, in the task bar it will say "starting firefox..." for instance?
[09:40] <cheeseboy> can i limit the amount of ram a program uses?
[10:21] <TheSheep_> cheeseboy: man ulimit
[10:29] <BFTD> I have a PDF document and i want to take a page out of it and place it in its own PDF document
[10:31] <TheSheep_> BFTD: pdfcrop
[10:33] <hyper_ch> huhu TheSheep_
[10:33] <hyper_ch> TheSheep_: did you know WAP hacking is easy?
[10:34] <TheSheep_> hyper_ch: it's normal html
[10:34] <BFTD> !info pdfcrop
[10:34] <ubotu> Package pdfcrop does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:34] <BFTD> ?
[10:34] <hyper_ch> TheSheep_: sorry, I meant WPA :)
[10:34] <BFTD> TheSheep_ where do I get that program?
[10:35] <TheSheep_> BFTD: nevermind, use pdftk
[10:35] <BFTD> ah thaks TheSheep_
[10:35] <TheSheep_> BFTD: 'burst' will spliti t into singlep ages
[10:36] <BFTD> TheSheep_ are you having a brain fart?
[10:44] <tinin> hi, what should i change to fix the sreen resulution
[10:44] <tinin> during boot
[10:45] <tinin> I've got an old monitor and i need to set vga=789
[10:46] <tinin> but i can't find where do i need to change it
[10:47] <maxamillion> tinin: that should be in your grub.conf
[10:47] <tinin> ok
[10:48] <TheSheep_> maxamillion: you mean /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[10:48] <tinin> yeah
[10:49] <tinin> i couln't find grub.conf
[10:49] <maxamillion> TheSheep_: yeah ... that too
[10:49] <maxamillion> :P
[10:49] <maxamillion> sorry
[10:49] <maxamillion> i get my files mixed up
[10:50] <tinin> does anyone have an 800x600 monitor?
[10:53] <tinin> I may have found where it fits in ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the alternatives
[10:54] <tinin> ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
[10:54] <tinin> # defoptions=quiet splash locale=es_ES
[10:54] <maxamillion> tinin: just add vga=789 at the end of the line for the one that loads the kernel
[10:55] <tinin> aaaah thanx
[10:55] <tinin> i thoght i had to uncomment that
[10:58] <tinin> oh
[10:59] <tinin> now i can see the boot sccreen, but only one part, it seems bigger than my screen
[10:59] <tinin> but this is better
[11:01] <maxamillion> tinin: well ... as long as things are improving :)
[11:02] <tinin> yeah, now if i had internet on it, it would be great
[11:03] <tinin> but it does not seem to "just work" with my router
[11:03] <maxamillion> tinin: yeah, thats because xubuntu and your router both are set to negotiate via dhcp by default
[11:04] <tinin> I need this pc for my mother and i was learning xfce. Is there any tool to change net parameters?
[11:05] <tinin> I mean any other than the "network settings"
[11:05] <hyper_ch> tinin: what's not working there?
[11:07] <vidd_laptop> tinin, you CAN set it manually by configuring the /etc/network/interfaces file
[11:07] <tinin> I copied there all the settings from the other pc i run (with kubuntu) except that i set up a different ip
[11:07] <tinin> Is there any way to know what happens
[11:07] <tinin> ping
[11:07] <tinin> netstat
[11:07] <tinin> ifconfig
[11:07] <tinin> ?
[11:08] <vidd_laptop> tinin, are you using the network-admin tool?
[11:08] <vidd_laptop> or are you manually editing the config file?
[11:09] <tinin> srorry, i come back in a min
[11:15] <tinin> here, i was searching for another cable to conect the xubuntu pc, because right now i need to unplug my pc from the net to connect the old one
[11:16] <tinin> vidd_laptop i was using the network-admin tool
[11:16] <tinin> i did not know where that config file was
[11:16] <vidd_laptop> that is fine
[11:17] <vidd_laptop> do you want the "old" computer to have a static ip?
[11:17] <tinin> yes
[11:17] <tinin> i think
[11:17] <tinin> it would be better for amule
[11:17] <vidd_laptop> ok....what is the ip address of your gateway?
[11:18] <vidd_laptop> that would be the ip address of the router
[11:18] <tinin> 192.168.1.1
[11:18] <tinin> yes
[11:18] <vidd_laptop> ....
[11:19] <tinin> but
[11:19] <tinin> it does not connect to the router
[11:19] <vidd_laptop> out of curiosity...what is the ip address of your modem?
[11:19] <tinin> each time i put that on firefox
[11:19] <tinin> ip address of your modem?
[11:19] <tinin> how should it look like?
[11:20] <tinin> its a router
[11:20] <vidd_laptop> ok...then never mind about that....
[11:20] <vidd_laptop> open a terminal....
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> is your network on eth0 or something else?
[11:21] <tinin> sorry i only need to see some light about this, because it just don't work and i dont knw where to star
[11:21] <tinin> wait
[11:21] <tinin> i haven't got it connected now
[11:22] <tinin> if i connect i should disconnect this
[11:22] <tinin> so it would be great just to hear your opinion about what is happening
[11:23] <tinin> just tell me what to do now
[11:25] <vidd_laptop> what is your network card's name?
[11:25] <tinin> should i know it ?
[11:25] <tinin> with ifconfig?
[11:25] <vidd_laptop> eth0, eth1.....?
[11:26] <tinin> eth0
[11:26] <cellofellow> ls /dev/eth*
[11:27] <tinin> cellofellow it tells me "no such file or directory"
[11:27] <tinin> maybe because it is not connected to the router right now?
[11:27] <maxamillion> cellofellow: same here
[11:27] <maxamillion> tinin: no, i think that's just not a valid command
[11:28] <tinin> 'ahhh
[11:28] <tinin> ok
[11:28] <cellofellow> me too
[11:28] <cellofellow> I thought eth0 was in /dev. Must be somewhere else.
[11:29] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i believe what you wanted was "ls /dev/ | grep eth" but ... apparently eth isn't in /dev
[11:29] <maxamillion> ahhh
[11:29] <vidd_laptop> tinin, AFTER you  plug that computer in....
[11:29] <tinin> ok
[11:29] <tinin> tell
[11:30] <cellofellow> maxamillion: it isn't in /dev. Where is it then? It used to be. That was Edgy I guess though.
[11:30] <vidd_laptop> type sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[11:30] <cellofellow> does locate index /dev ?
[11:30] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i'm on debian etch ... its not there either
[11:30] <tinin> and then?
[11:30] <vidd_laptop> enjoy the internet
[11:30] <tinin> ahhh
[11:31] <tinin> i hope so
[11:31] <cellofellow> maxamillion: what kernel?
[11:31] <tinin> mom will be grateful
[11:31] <tinin> coming back to tell
[11:32] <maxamillion> cellofellow: 2.6.18
[11:32] <cellofellow> I got 2.6.20
[11:33] <cellofellow> I'm now confused. Where did the eth device go?
[11:34] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i don't know ... i am looking now
[11:36] <Pumpernickel> cellofellow, maxamillion: http://www.redhat.com/archives/guinness-list/2002-October/msg00031.html
[11:38] <Lectus> Hello! I tried to install IceWM on Xubuntu, but not all the programs that appear on XFCE menu appear on ICEWM menu. Can anyone help me fixing it? Or can anyone recommend a IceWM-centric distro? I'd prefer to have Xubuntu with IceWM installed and configured though. Thanks!
[11:38] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: ah, thanks .... so its kinda like the net devices are managed by a HAL style steup
[11:39] <cellofellow> Pumpernickel: ok. That makes more sense now. I suppose you can have more network devices, and do more with them, when they are in that /etc thing.
[11:41] <cellofellow> is there a cli word processor? A rich text editor in curses or something like that?
[11:42] <maxamillion> cellofellow: lemme check
[11:44] <maxamillion> cellofellow: not that i know of ... might as well learn Latex for formatting ;)
[11:45] <cellofellow> ok
[11:45] <maxamillion> cellofellow: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Misc/LaTeX-Tutorial/LaTeX-Home.html
[11:45] <maxamillion> cellofellow: its something i keep telling myself i will learn, but then i continue to use abiword because i am lazy
[11:45] <cellofellow> :) :/
[11:45] <cellofellow> LaTeX sounds so complicated.
[11:46] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, i don't doubt it is
[11:46] <tinin_> no luck :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27855/
[11:47] <tinin_> that's what i get from sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[11:47] <tinin_> and my interfaces file
[11:48] <tinin_> any other thing i can look up for?
[11:48] <maxamillion> i'm out! gotta run
[11:48] <geck0> howdy
[11:48] <vidd_laptop> tinin_, you do not have the box set with a static ip....
[11:48] <geck0> got a couple quick questions if anyone can help-
[11:49] <tinin_> ok
[11:49] <cellofellow> !ask | geck0
[11:49] <ubotu> geck0: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:49] <tinin_> maybe not now
[11:49] <geck0> 1. why can't I just click and drag to make a box around several icons to select them
[11:49] <tinin_> I tried all combinations i could vidd_laptop
[11:49] <cellofellow> 1. Cause XFCE isn't a full-featured desktop. It's more lightweight, and that is a "full feature".
[11:50] <cellofellow> geck0: next?
[11:50] <tinin_> should i try again with it as static?
[11:50] <vidd_laptop> tinin_, you need to change "dhcp" in your /etc/network/interfaces file to "static"
[11:50] <geck0> ah ok, so there is no way to add that feature?
[11:50] <cellofellow> not without coding it in yourself.
[11:50] <geck0> k
[11:50] <vidd_laptop> and then its hould work
[11:50] <tinin_> ok
[11:50] <geck0> next question, I tried to configure my time to auto update according to some servers after searching for how to do it
[11:50] <geck0> but it doesn't seem to be working?
[11:51] <cellofellow> geck0: are the ntp packages installed? If they are, just checking the box in time-admin should work.
[11:51] <tinin_> but i'll do it from the network tool, cause it's easier for me
[11:51] <tinin_> back again
[11:52] <geck0> I think they are, how do I check?
[11:52] <geck0> I've already done the thing where I click "keep synchronized with internet servers" and it asks if I want to add NTP support, and I chose yes
[11:53] <geck0> I have 2 servers checked in the "Select Servers" menu, however it says it's 1:30am right now. and its 5:00 PM =P
[11:54] <geck0> Also, the Synchronize now option is greyed out (like I can't click on it), if that means anything
[11:54] <cellofellow> geck0: what timezone did you set?
[11:54] <geck0> America/Chicago
[11:56] <cellofellow> should work. Is your BIOS set to UTC?
[11:56] <geck0> eek I don't know, how can I check?
[11:56] <geck0> I know how to get to the BIOS screen
[11:57] <cellofellow> dunno
[11:57] <geck0> hmm OK, I'm toying around with BIOS settings now
[11:59] <geck0> Well, I don't see any options that have a UTC in them
[12:01] <geck0> hmm I guess I'll just set the clock manually then and not worry about synchronizing it. Third Question: I've heard about pre-linking and readahead, do any of you know how to use these options, so I could potentially shorten the load time of firefox/open office, etc?
[12:03] <geck0> heh you might think this is funny...I changed my clock in the BIOS, and it was set to 2001.  Now when I booted up xubuntu again, it says /dev/sda1 has gone 2285 days without being checked, check forced.
[12:06] <vidd_laptop> tinin_, survey says?
[12:06] <tinin_>  well i changed to static ip and tried sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[12:07] <tinin_>  and nothing
[12:07] <tinin_>  i even rebooted and tried agan and nothing
[12:07] <tinin_> I got this error when i log into xfce"Could not look up for internet address for pcpunk... It may be possible to correct the problem by adding pcpunk to the file /etc/hosts on your system"
[12:07] <tinin_> it's weird, Is maybe that the network card does not work well? i've got another to put there
[12:08] <tinin_> survey says command not found
[12:09] <vidd_laptop> tinin_, on that pc, check the /etc/resolv.conf
[12:09] <tinin_> ah
[12:09] <vidd_laptop> make sure the ip address is 192.168.1.1 and NOT 127.0.0.1
[12:10] <tinin_> there it says
[12:10] <cellofellow> geck0: don't worry about that. UTC means that UNIX expects the harware clock to be set to UTC, which is the same as Greenwich Mean Time.
[12:10] <tinin_> nameserver 80.58.61.250
[12:10] <tinin_> nameserver 80.58.61.254
[12:10] <cellofellow> geck0: so set the BIOS (hardware) clock to UTC, and then your timezone thing should check out.
[12:10] <tinin_> domain pcpunk-domain
[12:11] <tinin_> that's all
[12:11] <tinin_> those are the dns i put on the network tool
[12:12] <vidd_laptop> is that your dns servers?
[12:12] <tinin_> yes
[12:12] <tinin_> i think
[12:12] <tinin_> i copied from the pc running kubuntu
[12:13] <tinin_> that is what resolv.cof says
[12:13] <vidd_laptop> if you set it to your gateway, then it will pass the correct stuff to your box
[12:13] <tinin_> how?
[12:14] <tinin_> how should resolv.conf look like?
[12:15] <slow-motion> n8
[12:16] <cellofellow> I have a DNS mirror/server on 192.168.0.3, so my resolv.conf points to that. My router is 192.168.0.2 and my gateway is 192.168.0.1.
[12:17] <cellofellow> I use DHCP from the server to set my IP (which is still always the same) and my gateway, etc.
[12:20] <tinin_> this is what my ifconfig says
[12:20] <tinin_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27875/
[12:23] <tinin_> i'm like a blind in the jungle