[12:39] <ShackJack> Hi all - I am having trouble starting "Desktop Effects" under a fglrx/XGL setup... I have an XGL login session which starts us and seems to work, but Desktop Effects wont start (complains about texture_pixmap thing) and session startup program to start compiz manually yields no decorations...
[12:42] <omha> damm im happy that i have a nvidia chipset :D
[12:42] <ShackJack> omha: Me too (on the desktop ;))
[12:43] <ShackJack> It worked in Feisty simple enough but not it Gutsy for some reason...
[01:06] <DanaG> I figured out my issue: out of disk space.
[01:48] <DanaG> hmm, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135611
[01:48] <ubotu> KDE bug 135611 in general "Filelight doesn't distinguish sparse files" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[02:35] <DanaG> hmm, even with a custom kernel, resume doesn't work.
[02:35] <DanaG> Linux m685 2.6.22-rc6-ragnarok1 #2 SMP Fri Jun 29 16:05:35 PDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:58] <ericrost> will gutsy release under GPL v2 or 3?
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> Its not as simple as that
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> (I don't know of any programs that are GPL v3 licensed yet either)
[03:00] <ericrost> any distro has their choice for the distro specific stuff.. and more distro's means more pressure on Linux for the kernel
[03:00] <ericrost> err.. Linus
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> by volume the distro specific stuff is irrelevant
[03:00] <ericrost> h3sp4wn: given that it released today, that's not suprising
[03:01] <ericrost> yes, but use is what validates it.. and if every distro went v3.. well all of them + OSolaris...
[03:01] <ericrost> given that Linus wants ZFS
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> He doesn't
[03:03] <ericrost> but RMS is a hypocrite (sorry v3 stuff again) given that he's on the board of Linspire... and they signed with Microsoft's patent FUD.. but no hissy fit from RMS
[03:04] <ericrost> really that's, quoted from his dev maillist stuff, the only reason he want Solaris to go GPL
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> ericrost: You cannot have read it properly
[03:06] <ericrost> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/12/232
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> I have read that doesn't imply he is bothered to me really
[03:09] <ericrost> not bothered, but a possibility of a dual license release to get ZFS if there's any GPLv3 release of it.. granted GPL2 wouldn't change anything.. just pick it up
[03:10] <ericrost> but I don't know if you can release a package today under GPLv2 (new package)
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> It cannot happen
[03:11] <ericrost> too many signatures?
[03:12] <h3sp4wn> people who are dead and suchlike
[03:12] <h3sp4wn> also
[03:12] <ericrost> folx who are dead can't really hold up a re-licensing... copyrights don't transfer to estates
[03:13] <ericrost> and the original license allows relicensing under subsequent gpl's
[03:13] <h3sp4wn> No
[03:29] <thepumpkin> hi.
[03:29] <ponicg> Hi
[03:30] <thepumpkin> i'm in ubuntu feisty
[03:30] <thepumpkin> i'm testing a new software that uses gutsy libraries.
[03:30] <thepumpkin> I need to upgrade to gutsy.
[03:30] <thepumpkin> What command should I use?
[03:30] <Stormx2> !upgrade
[03:30] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:30] <gnomefreak> thepumpkin: if you dont know how to upgrade you really shouldnt use gutsy yet
[03:31] <Stormx2> thepumpkin: I've been using ubotu since hoary and I'm not confident enough with ubuntu to upgrade to gutsy. Go figure.
[03:31] <Stormx2> s/ubotu/ubuntu
[03:32] <ponicg> Stormx2, Do you know about Wubi+Gutsy?
[03:32] <cyphase> Is there any reason that CUPS couldn't auto configure printers when they're connected, instead of having to go through a wizard (albeit a short one).
[03:32] <thepumpkin> i just need test a software.
[03:32] <ponicg> I was considering installing a wubi installation, then ubgrading from feisty to gutsy.
[03:32] <thepumpkin> this is a test machine.
[03:32] <ponicg> It'd be nice if Dyntics worked...
[03:33] <thepumpkin> "current dist not found in meta-release file" what that means?
[03:33] <gnomefreak> thepumpkin: more than likley the upgrade is going to fail, odd are about 70% it will fail
[03:33] <gnomefreak> thepumpkin: you cant upgrade yet safely, it means packages are not ready to be upgraded
[03:34] <thepumpkin> I understand.
[03:34] <gnomefreak> either your libc6 is wrong glib or dbus versions are off or its a packaging issue
[03:34] <gnomefreak> those are 4 of most common
[03:36] <gnomefreak> thepumpkin: that will more than likely break it
[03:36] <gnomefreak> thepumpkin: gutsy packages, questions, problems keep out of #ubuntu
[03:36] <kbrooks__> should "please read the topic" in the chanserv prompt
[03:36] <kbrooks__> be emphasized
[03:37] <thepumpkin> This is very confusing.
[03:37] <thepumpkin> seriously.
[03:37] <thepumpkin> for me...
[03:37] <thepumpkin> thanks guys.
[03:39] <ponicg> gnomefreak, Is dynticks part of the kernel and said kernel only usable with Gutsy?
[03:39] <gnomefreak> ponicg: you can build any kernel for feisty but you have to build/compile it and the modules
[03:39] <ponicg> hmm.
[03:39] <ponicg> I was under that impressoin
[03:40] <ponicg> I'd really love dynticks on this laptop for some power and (ouch) heat saving stuff
[03:40] <ponicg> then again
[03:40] <ponicg> having a real video driver would be great
[03:40] <gnomefreak> as for dynticks i can know in around 12 hours but i think it is part kernel or a modules for it but im off to bed now
[03:41] <ponicg> no problem. I'll do the research
[03:41] <ponicg> don't kill yourself. thanks again
[03:47] <Pici> Well... I finally figured out why I couldnt use the cube reflection plugin in compiz-fusion
[03:49] <Pici> libcubereflex.so is missing from compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[03:49] <Pici> bug logged.
[04:14] <SlicerDicer-> is anybody having issues with flash videos playing with gutsy lacking sound?
[04:14] <SlicerDicer-> I am just curious if I did something absolutely stupid or if I should investigate it further :)
[04:15] <Pici> Have you installed alsa-oss?
[04:15] <SlicerDicer-> I do not know I never mess with oss anymore :)
[04:15] <SlicerDicer-> have not for quite some time
[04:15] <Pici> iirc, flash needs alsa-oss to play sounds properly.  its an alsa wrapper for oss applications.
[04:15] <crdlb> flash 9 uses alsa
[04:16] <SlicerDicer-> yes it is installed no matter
[04:16] <SlicerDicer-> it is the only flaw in what I use normally that is acting dippy
[04:17] <Pici> Does it happen all the time?
[04:17] <SlicerDicer-> yes
[04:19] <Pici> hm
[04:23] <SlicerDicer-> yeah I have no idea
[04:24] <SlicerDicer-> arts maybe?
[04:25] <SlicerDicer-> nah
[04:26] <chem`> anyone know if the new santa rosa macbook pros are expected to work "out of the box" with gutsy?
[04:27] <SlicerDicer-> chem`: whats not working?
[04:27] <chem`> well, reading ubuntuforums.org, nobody can get sound working with a new macbook pro and ubuntu (for example).  also problems with suspend and suspend2disk.
[04:36] <libertario> hi
[04:58] <Netham45> o.o
[04:58] <Netham45> wtf?
[04:59] <Netham45> wtf
[04:59] <Netham45> seriously
[04:59] <Netham45> wtf
[05:04] <fignew> strange
[05:04] <Netham45> Im a total noob, and Im tring to get my webcam(gigaware 25-157) to work in Ubuntu. Does anyone have any ideas?
[05:05] <fignew> ask in #ubuntu
[05:06] <crdlb> when it's not +m anymore
[05:06] <crdlb> err nm
[05:06] <Pici> its not +m anymore
[05:06] <Netham45> I got banned in #ubuntu for some reason..
[05:06] <Netham45> not sure why
[05:06] <Netham45> or who to ask for an unban
[05:07] <crdlb> Netham45, #ubuntu-ops
[05:07] <Netham45> ty
[05:07] <crdlb> kind of busy atm though
[05:31] <compuniversal> hello everybody
[05:31] <Pici> hello
[05:31] <compuniversal> some body knw about Tivo
[05:32] <compuniversal> how can i transfer the video to my computer
[05:32] <Pici> tivo?
[05:32] <crdlb> running gutsy on a tivo?
[05:32] <compuniversal> gutsy?
[05:32] <crdlb> this is #ubuntu+1
[05:32] <Pici> compuniversal: This channel is for discussion/support about the next version of Ubuntu
[05:32] <Pici> codename Gutsy
[05:32] <compuniversal> what next version?
[05:33] <Pici> 7.10
[05:33] <crdlb> compuniversal, do you know what ubuntu is?
[05:33] <compuniversal> crdlb sure, i have ubuntu 7.04 fetsy
[05:33] <crdlb> ok for support with feisty, go to #ubuntu
[05:34] <compuniversal> i coming from #ubuntu
[05:34] <compuniversal> compuniversal: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[05:35] <compuniversal> where can i get support for software on ubuntu?
[05:35] <Pici> compuniversal: #ubuntu
[05:36] <compuniversal> Pici ubuntu: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[05:50] <macogw> does gutsy have a userspace way of modifying unusual_devs?  i'm told it exists, but i cant find anything like that online or any unusual_devs file (other than in the kernel source) on feisty, so i'm wondering if itd be in gutsy or not
[06:05] <shirish> ubotu quicktime
[06:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:15] <DanaG> Odd, even without nvidia loaded, resume still hangs.
[06:15] <DanaG> In fact, if I modprobe 'blink' before suspending, when I resume I do not see caps-lock blinking.
[06:15] <DanaG> I'd imagine that driver should restart right away, to make it useful for troubleshooting.
[06:17] <shirish> DanaG: can you look at http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/w/w32codecs/ page & tell if http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022-0medibuntu1%2bb1_i386.deb is the latest out there?
[06:18] <shirish> DanaG: I'm just trying to get it confirmed if this is the best build for gutsy yet.
[06:18] <DanaG> I haven't used medibuntu, but I don't see anything newer than 20061022.
[06:18] <DanaG> Try this: aptitude show w32codecs
[06:20] <shirish> DanaG: that I have tried already, it just gives the dates & link to medibuntu. The link which I gave you in above shows 3 win32codecs 2 of which are on the same date while a 3rd one is on 2 days after that. It is slightly confusing.
[06:23] <shirish> the help page gives link to medibuntu gives a link but its a May 28 link not the May 31 link. I'm sure there are differences.
[06:23] <DanaG> You can download the deb, open it with an archive utility, and read the changelog.
[06:24] <jriachi> hello
[06:24] <jriachi> does amule work fine in gusty?
[06:24] <shirish> DanaG: ok didn't know, thanks :)
[06:53] <DanaG> Odd, gnome-session takes a ridiculous amount of time to finish running things.
[07:13] <bur[n] er> is it just me or is gtk-window-decorator f'd up
[07:36] <DanaG> WTF?  When I start Gnome, compiz.real sits there eating my CPU.
[07:49] <xsacha> hi there...
[07:50] <ryancr> just trying to install tribe2 from the liveCD, the install gets to about 32% then hangs, then dies with "Bus error (core dumped)"
[07:50] <ryancr> any thoughts?
[07:51] <DanaG> boot without 'quiet splash' and see if you get anything more specific.
[07:51] <xsacha> in edgy, when i did an update in Adept it was able to download multiple packages at the same time. now with gutsy it downloads 1 until it is 100% before continuing to the next one -- why is this?
[07:51] <ryancr> DanaG: is that msg for me?
[07:52] <DanaG> Yeah/
[07:52] <DanaG> .
[07:52] <ryancr> I am not sure why that would help, the liveCD boots up fine, the desktop, even compiz is fine.. its not until the 32% mark of the install where it hangs
[07:53] <ryancr> i tried running ubiquity with --debug but it didn't give me anything
[07:55] <xsacha> btw that latest akregator package that just came in.. it doesnt install
[07:56] <xsacha> gives some error about commits when i try to upgrade it
[07:59] <xsacha> mm 2.6.22-7 .. got a bunch of kernels in /boot/ now
[08:03] <DanaG> Hmm,
[08:03] <DanaG> if you're getting a bus error, is that something that shows up in dmesg?
[08:03] <xsacha> grrr i had a kernel in /boot/ that didnt work (just left it there, it wasnt in grub list or anything)    when i just upgraded kernel thru adept then, i checked menu.lst and it had all my kernels in there with the broken one as default?
[08:04] <DanaG> It might be a poorly-burned CD, for example.
[08:04] <ryancr> found it in installer/debug  : failed to copy files; faulty CD/DVD or hard disk?
[08:05] <ryancr> yes that looks like it might be it
[08:05] <DanaG> I usually burn installer CDs at something like 4x.
[08:05] <DanaG> Or 8x.  But not full speed.
[08:06] <ryancr> i just used nautilus, not sure what speed it used ;)
[08:06] <xsacha> i always burn my DVDs at max speed and never had any issues, guess im just lucky
[08:06] <xsacha> yeah, i put gutsy on a dvd.. i have about 50 dvds and no cds
[08:06] <ryancr> lol well its getting to that point, where dvd are almost the same price as dvds
[08:06] <ryancr> doh as cds*
[08:07] <xsacha> i havent benchmarked but im guessing the livedvd is gonna perform much faster than livecd
[08:07] <DanaG> Odd, I try to turn on desktop-effects, and I get an admin prompt.
[08:07] <DanaG> It should detect that nvidia is already being used!
[08:09] <ryancr> man i hate having to reburn and waste cds ;(
[08:09] <xsacha> all my dvds are rewritable and i got no cds
[08:10] <xsacha> this dvd has tribe 2, it has tribe 1 and it'll have final
[08:10] <xsacha> had
[08:11] <ryancr> yeah rewritable is a good idea..i grab some tomorrow
[08:12] <ryancr> would have saved me from having stacks and stacks of old distro discs around ;)
[08:12] <xsacha> exactly
[08:12] <xsacha> you only need so many coasters
[08:12] <ryancr> lol so true
[08:12] <DanaG> I once got writable CDs that wouldn't erase.
[08:12] <xsacha> that sux :(
[08:13] <DanaG> On some of them, I left them with the data side facing direct sunlight all day, and I was able to erase them -- but that didn't work for all of them.
[08:13] <DanaG> Perhaps they were just junky CDs.
[08:13] <ryancr> well the md5sum of the iso checks out, time to reburn
[08:14] <xsacha> verbatim ftw
[08:14] <xsacha> and also i got a stack of LG here that work perfect
[08:16] <jriachi> hello
[08:17] <jriachi> i am getting messages like  "***MEMORY-WARNING***: firefox-bin[6407] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption"
[08:24] <Netham45> hey, is the us.archive.ubuntu.com down for anyone else?
[08:24] <DanaG> argh, the interaggregate xscreensaver absolutely SLAUGHTERS Xorg.
[08:27] <ryancr> well a 2x burnt dvd seems to have done the trick
[08:27] <ryancr> so far anyways ;)
[08:31] <jriachi> is it a glib issue or something?
[08:36] <Netham45> my webcam is black if brightness is more than 0, but when it is 0, it is dark unless I point it at my light. Any ideas?
[08:38] <ryancr> DOH! Exception in GTK fronten
[08:39] <ryancr> d (invoking crash handler)
[08:40] <ryancr> lol now i get permission denied when trying to run sudo
[08:48] <DanaG> Odd, xscreensaver has a fake-bsod mode "nvidia" -- but it doesn't do anything.
[08:51] <DanaG> Okay, I don't get it if I uncheck everything else,
[08:51] <DanaG> but "-only nvidia" works.
[08:52] <DanaG> aah: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/bsod -only nvidia
[11:43] <JimQode> I want to test gutsy. Where can I find the documentation about installing it?
[12:19] <RainCT> Hi
[12:26] <RainCT> does ubiquity really need to be run as root as stated in bug 123125?
[12:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123125 in ubiquity "gksu or sudo missed in ubiquity" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123125
[01:01] <JimQode> I installed gutsy on virtualbox. When i installed guest additions X stopped working.
[01:02] <JimQode> ubuntu is constantly trying to restart X so I can't work with console. How can I stop it from trying
[01:38] <_4strO> yop yop
[01:59] <RivaeAerya> what does tribe 2 have?
[02:01] <void^> bugs, probably?
[02:03] <RivaeAerya> nevermind, i googled it
[02:05] <gnomefreak> search for gutys on wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:05] <Hobbsee> void^: hehe, good answer :)
[02:23] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[02:24] <FunnyLookinHat> howdy
[02:24] <Enola_Gay> Does anyone have problems with playing videos if compiz is activated?
[02:24] <Enola_Gay> Xv and insufficient resources for operation
[02:25] <crdlb> Enola_Gay, intel?
[02:25] <Enola_Gay> yes :)
[02:25] <crdlb> it's quite common
[02:25] <Enola_Gay> I know but it is serious
[02:26] <Enola_Gay> atm VNC doesn't work in Gutsy and playing videos
[02:26] <crdlb> but hopefully a patched gstreamer with support for the compiz video plugin will get in
[02:26] <Enola_Gay> if compiz is enabled which is the default for intel cards
[02:26] <crdlb> there's already a patch floating around for mplayer
[02:26] <Enola_Gay> This is no solution imho since not every player uses gstreamer
[02:26] <crdlb> just patch every player :)
[02:26] <Enola_Gay> xv had to be fixed or something like that
[02:27] <crdlb> gstreamer and xine covers most
[02:28] <crdlb> and using the compiz video plugin, video playback works far better than Xv ever did
[02:31] <Enola_Gay> crdlb: But it should be downward compatible. E.g. I like vlc since it can crop videos and plays nearly everything.
[02:31] <crdlb> well there was talk of making it transparent to Xv-using video players, but it would be quite difficult
[02:32] <Enola_Gay> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/111257
[02:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111257 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "totem crashes with 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)' when using compiz and xserver-xorg-video-intel driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:32] <Enola_Gay> Hm, does it only happen to Intel cards because of the little memory?
[02:33] <Enola_Gay> They can use much more than xorg allocates normally afaik.
[02:35] <Enola_Gay> crdlb: But thanks for support :)
[04:21] <jimqode> Hello. I reported a bug today but I can't find it on launchpad. My launchpad user is "Jim Qode"
[04:22] <geser> do you look for bug #123222 ?
[04:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123222 in Ubuntu "[GUTSY]  GUI fails when running in virtualbox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123222
[04:24] <jimqode> yes
[04:24] <jimqode> why can't i see it under my account page?
[04:26] <geser> When I search for "Jim Qode" on LP, LP finds two accounts: https://launchpad.net/~jimqode and https://launchpad.net/~cem-sadecehosting
[04:26] <geser> it's listed for the second one
[04:27] <jimqode> oopsy. So it means I registered twice. Could you delete the first one to avoid confusion if you are an administrator.
[04:35] <geser> jimqode: please ask in #launchpad what to do. IIRC it is possible to merge accounts but I don't know the exact procedure for it
[04:36] <jimqode> geser, thank you!
[04:59] <shirish> guys does anybody have firefox-granparadiso running?
[05:12] <shirish> guys I'm looking for plugins for firefox-granparadiso , are mozilla-plugin-* good enough or something else?
[06:44] <edgy> Hi, I installed a gutsy in chroot but when I do update and dist-upgrade I got: perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:44] <edgy> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[06:44] <edgy>         LANGUAGE = "en_US:en",
[06:44] <edgy> and lots of similar errors and
[06:44] <edgy> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[06:44] <edgy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:44] <edgy> what shall I do?
[06:45] <coNP> edgy: I guess there is another error that causes dpkg to die
[06:45] <h3sp4wn> probably trying to start services inside the chroot
[06:45] <edgy> coNP: lots of dependency errors
[06:45] <h3sp4wn> iirc there was a patch for stop-start that made all those just return truwe
[06:45] <h3sp4wn> *true
[06:45] <coNP> on the other hand you can install "language-pack-<cc>" where "cc" is the country code that suits your language
[06:48] <edgy> coNP: I already installed language-pack-ar
[08:10] <starz> mm
[08:10] <starz> how broken is gutsy atm?
[08:11] <jussi01> starz: it works...
[08:12] <gnomefreak> jussi01: works for who?
[08:12] <starz> o
[08:12] <starz> gnomefreak, apparently him :P
[08:12] <jussi01> gnomefreak: me...
[08:12] <gnomefreak> !worksforme
[08:12] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:12] <jussi01> hehe
[08:13] <crdlb> you walked right into that one ;D
[08:13] <DanaG> Well, I have been having some issues with Gutsy:
[08:13] <gnomefreak> starz: it works for some others cant boot after install so you decide
[08:13] <DanaG> Broken framebuffer, broken suspend.
[08:13] <Pici> I've had no system-critical problems
[08:13] <gnomefreak> suspend has issues FB i havent seen any
[08:14] <starz> heh suspend doesnt work for me anyway
[08:14] <jussi01> i should have said what Pici just said...
[08:14] <gnomefreak> its kind of nice that usdo echos your password Pici ;)
[08:14] <gnomefreak> sudo even
[08:15] <Pici> gnomefreak: its probably broken in > gutsy too
[08:15] <h3sp4wn> I cannot run my (sort of new - newly repaired)laptop at full speed (something messed up with fans)
 Pici my point being its unsecure. and easy to get in
[08:15] <h3sp4wn> Not given it much effort really at all though
[08:15] <gnomefreak> so should someone really recommend using something that is that easy to break
[08:16] <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: in -7?
[08:16] <gnomefreak> or was it like that in -6
[08:16] <h3sp4wn> gnomefreak: What ever was 3/4 days ago
[08:17] <gnomefreak> that would be -7
[08:17] <gnomefreak> im not suprised at that
[08:17] <starz> gnomefreak, absolutely one should be interested in things that are easy to break if they are bored enough and enterprizing enough
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> I will take a look at it properly and then see what I can do (I guess I can find some kernel where its ok)
[08:18] <gnomefreak> starz: break i meant break into system
[08:18] <starz> more hardware exposure creates a distro thats less unreliable in the long run
[08:18] <starz> bah
[08:18] <starz> just install something else
[08:18] <starz> as long as partitions are clean itl be fine :P
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> starz: That is definately true
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> but it is possible to do large amounts of regression testing (look at RHEL) it just costs $
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> and backport features to the stable kernel over its lifetime
[08:19] <starz> sure
[08:20] <starz> but how much $$ gets tossed into ubuntu during development?
[08:20] <starz> im sure its still substantial but the business model just isnt the same, quite
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> No idea - its not at the same level as novell / Redhat though
[08:20] <starz> and for the record fedora core 7 has HORRID os recognition
[08:20] <starz> ya
[08:20] <starz> mm
[08:21] <starz> mebbie rip that out and try dsl-n
[08:28] <starz> hey anyone good at hacking up an install cd? i need one that goes normally to the partition manager then moves directly on to grub doing the full detect
[08:28] <starz> no installation under any conditions
[08:29] <jussi01> starz: why?
[08:29] <starz> oh
[08:29] <starz> well the grub detect os's on all partitions on all drives is awesome on the installation cd
[08:29] <starz> but man try update-grub and that sux
[08:29] <starz> have to do that for each install on a quad boot system and then build menu.1st by hand sux
[08:29] <jussi01> starz: have you tried the method in !grub ?
[08:29] <starz> :P
[08:30] <starz> !grub
[08:30] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:30] <starz> yeah
[08:30] <starz> lemme double check second linky 1sec
[08:30] <starz> im thinking of moving menu.1st to a diff name so it is forced to find stuff
[08:31] <starz> yeah i saw that
[08:32] <starz> doesnt seem to do the trick as ive not got any floppies so meh.
[08:32] <starz> if i really could i would just get the part of the install cd that installs grub but gah
[08:32] <starz> still need things up to the partition editor so it knows where to put things
[08:32] <starz> unless it wouldnt even look for that but it still needs hardware drivers i guess
[08:32] <starz> >_<
[08:32] <jussi01> starz: but have you gone through the "sudo grub" root (hdo,1) stuff?
[08:33] <starz> yeah dont get me wrong i can get grub working if it gets borked
[08:33] <starz> but it doesnt actually search all partitons for all os's and all kernels in each
[08:33] <starz> say i boot to my fedora and install new kernel grub doesnt get updated
[08:33] <jussi01> starz: mine does when i follow that process...
[08:33] <starz> say i boot to my feisty [edgy is my default]  and do the same same thing
[08:34] <starz> mm
[08:34] <starz> well i had it detect the grubs and it found em all and then told it the right partition..
[08:34] <starz> used the method from the alternate install cd...
[08:34] <starz> yeah i should just move the menu.1st file and MAKE it rebuild one perhaps
[08:34] <starz> think that might work a little better?
[08:35] <jussi01> maybe, but have a live cd handy just in case...
[08:35] <jussi01> :)
[08:35] <starz> heh yeh
[08:35] <starz> itl befine
[08:35] <starz> shell mount and move the menu.1st
[08:35] <starz> and ive got a whole collection of the things from the last few years :P:
[08:35] <jussi01> hehe, nice
[08:36] <starz> mm
[08:36] <starz> see with just 1 nix and windows its nbd
[08:36] <starz> but man multiple nix's and it hates me
[08:36] <starz> XD
[08:37] <jussi01> hehe, i have 2x nix and 1x winblows
[08:37] <starz> o
[08:37] <starz> so how hard is gutsy on crap hardware?
[08:38] <jussi01> i dont know, i have nice hardware... )
[08:41] <starz> lol right on
[08:44] <starz> Using the Alternate/Install CD and Overwriting the Windows bootloader
[08:44] <starz> that right there man
[08:44] <starz> that never worx
[08:44] <starz> not for me not anymore
[08:45] <starz> ii get this warnging about installing on an unclean target and then it always ends up installing stuff somehow
[08:45] <starz> even tho i told it not to kill any files lol
[08:45] <starz> anyway i moved the menu.1st file so im gonna try the regular reinstall grub thing bbiaw
[09:29] <starz> well
[09:29] <starz> that was hilarious
[09:29] <starz> i used the alternate right?
[09:29] <starz> then i get the procede with unclean installation thing and say no
[09:29] <starz> then try grub and it wont do it b/c base system or w/e not installed
[09:29] <starz> then say no back and forth a few times and it glitches into doing it correctly
[09:29] <starz> >___<
[09:29] <starz> so its POSSIBLE lol
[09:29] <starz> but when it did do it it did it perfectly!
[09:30] <starz> heh
[09:31] <starz> ther'es got to be a solution but i'm going to do that a few times over the weekend and if it continues to glitch into working then i'll post my personal results
[09:31] <starz> perhaps with a full hardware list
[09:31] <starz> maybe its something wierd there kekeke
[09:31] <starz> neway i need to install the new gutsy in a bit so w/e bbiaw
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> ?
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> You can use grubinstall
[09:34] <starz> ?
[09:34] <starz> install-grub?
[09:34] <starz> or literally grubinstall
[09:34] <starz> from live?
[09:34] <starz> or will that work from shell
[09:34] <starz> or from grub menu thingie in shell
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> no its - grub-install
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> (sorry)
[09:37] <h3sp4wn> starz: do you use a seperate /boot or not ?
[09:40] <DanaG> Argh, just got a kernel oops in snd-emu10k1.
[10:52] <pvandewyngaerde> i don't understand how gutsy boots, where is /etc/inittab ?
[10:54] <void^> see /etc/event.d/
[10:54] <pvandewyngaerde> and how can i start bootchart ?
[10:56] <DanaG> Install it.
[10:57] <DanaG> bootchart puts stuff in /var/log/bootchart
[10:57] <pvandewyngaerde> i installed the package, nothing in that folder
[10:58] <pvandewyngaerde> site sais add init=/sbin/bootchartd to grub kernel line, but that location does not exist
[10:58] <DanaG> Stuff shows up once you reboot after the package is installed.
[10:58] <pvandewyngaerde> it didn't
[10:58] <DanaG> As long as it did update-initramfs, there's nothing more to do manually, I believe.
[10:58] <DanaG> Odd.
[10:59] <pvandewyngaerde> can i force a update-ramfs safely?
[11:00] <DanaG> Yeah.
[11:01] <pvandewyngaerde> ok, ill try it
[11:07] <pvandewyngaerde> no bootchart data
[11:12] <pvandewyngaerde> how can the bootchart proces be started ?
[11:17] <lamalex> win 2
[11:18] <pvandewyngaerde> ok, i have it now
[11:19] <pvandewyngaerde> reiserfsck takes up all the time
[11:19] <pvandewyngaerde> 11 seconds of 35
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> It takes ages with a large amount of partitions
[11:24] <pvandewyngaerde> http://pietervandewyngaerde.googlepages.com/gutsy-20070630-1.png
[11:25] <pvandewyngaerde> i think i'll remove them from my fstab
[11:26] <DanaG> For some reason, my fsck.vfat takes ages, even when there's nothing to check or fix.
[11:26] <DanaG> 15 seconds.
[11:34] <pvandewyngaerde> what a time to get a big ext3 check
[11:34] <pvandewyngaerde> can i disable that ?
[11:38] <jriachi> pvandewyngaerde: man tune2fs  may help you
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> pvandewyngaerde: you can just touch /fastboot
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> see man shutdown
[11:42] <pvandewyngaerde> bootinfo in shutdown man, very logic, but thx
[11:45] <thompa> intel macbook improved performance here, though desktop effect will break wireless on reboot
[11:46] <pvandewyngaerde> down to 23 sec
[11:46] <thompa> does anyone know how to edit places menu items, i have some double entries
[11:47] <calc> thompa: i fixed mine the quick and dirty way, just removed all the dot files in my home dir
[11:47] <thompa> never thought of that thanks
[11:47] <calc> thompa: only do that if you don't have any important data setup though
[11:48] <thompa> im using some kde apps here too kompare
[11:48] <thompa> and this konversation but its macbook intel on gutsy
[11:48] <thompa> very nice, finally
[11:48] <thompa> i have not used osx at all
[11:49] <pvandewyngaerde> at boot i get a powernow error that messes up the layout, is this logged somewhere ?
[11:50] <calc> thompa: you bought a macbook to run linux?
[11:51] <thompa> no i used the mac osx for a while on it but since ubuntu only linux
[11:51] <thompa> i dont use isite but i heard cheese works
[11:51] <pvandewyngaerde> * Starting powernowd...                                                        /etc/init.d/powernowd: 156: cannot create /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0//cpufreq/scaling_governor: Directory nonexistent
[11:51] <calc> thompa: oh ok
[11:51] <thompa> touchpad is actually better for me in ubuntu, 3 finger tap
[11:52] <pvandewyngaerde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powernowd/+bug/44699
[11:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44699 in powernowd "CPU frequency scaling isnt workin" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[11:53] <thompa> calc: my battery life is improved
[11:53] <calc> thompa: how long does your machine run under linux on battery?
[11:53] <calc> that is the one negative i've found with my laptop
[11:54] <thompa> calc: for macbook its  worst
[11:54] <calc> mine runs about 2.5-3hr on battery
[11:54] <thompa> and sony
[11:55] <thompa> i have 3 hours in mac, in 2.6.* debians maybe 1 hour
[11:55] <calc> i have a toshiba satellite a205
[11:55] <calc> thompa: wow that really sucks
[11:55] <thompa> but its getting better now
[11:55] <thompa> thats why I want to try this newer kernel
[11:55] <calc> ok
[11:56] <thompa> i am still over an hour so maybe its about 2 hours
[11:56] <thompa> i dont know its so much better than osx who cares
[11:56] <calc> i thought the macbooks got 5hr+ on macos, maybe that was the old ibooks
[11:56] <thompa> calc: ive never had more than 3
[11:56] <calc> ok
[11:57] <thompa> in fact it will say you have like 4 hours left then jump down quickly
[11:57] <thompa> so maybe thats it
[11:57] <thompa> why not start at 8 hours
[11:57] <calc> i might be able to get over 2.5-3 with mine once i can adjust the brightness of the lcd
[11:57] <calc> right now that part is broken under linux
[11:57] <DanaG> A new BIOS may fix brightness control.
[11:58] <thompa> gutsy is running cooler
[11:58] <DanaG> On my Gateway, that was one feature they added to support Vista, of all things.
[11:58] <calc> there is supposedly a kernel module for the toshiba's that isn't part of the main kernel that can do some of that stuff too
[11:58] <calc> ah
[11:58] <thompa> calc: did you say you cant adjust brightness
[11:59] <calc> thompa: yea can't adjust it on mine
[11:59] <calc> thompa: i think there is a kernel module i can grab somewhere that will let me though
[12:00] <DanaG> It may seem generic, but it works.
[12:00] <calc> its turns the screen off instead of adjusting the brightness
[12:00] <thompa> i had to only edit a file in here /hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/
[12:00] <DanaG> Oh, that happens for me, too, between brightness levels.
[12:01] <calc> it seems to dim when i do it but if i try to go brighter it doesn't get any brighter
[12:01] <thompa> calc: there is a module or something for toshiba, did you search synaptic for anything?
[12:01] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[12:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 
[12:01] <calc> so seems to dim one level maybe but turns black and then dimmer
[12:02] <thompa> calc: i had an m45 and just installed on an older sattelite
[12:02] <calc> looks related but seems my dimmer is broken or doesn't work too well
[12:02] <DanaG> Read the full description.
[12:03] <DanaG> The title doesn't mention "between levels", but I thought "turns off at idle" gives a better impression of seriousness.
[12:03] <calc> DanaG: yea, read the whole thing
[12:03] <calc> DanaG: sounds somewhat similar to my issue but seems my dimmer doesn't work at all
[12:03] <calc> or barely works
[12:04] <thompa> DanaG: is that only on this kernel right
[12:05] <thompa> im not having that problem on macbook i wonder whats different
[12:06] <thompa> for me the entry in /hal/fdi/policy (for my type laptop) was wrong i think
[12:06] <DanaG> Different driver controlling the backlight.
[12:07] <thompa> i had to change a 1 to a 2, for duo core
[12:07] <thompa> DanaG: oh ok
[12:07] <thompa> calc: did it work in feisty
[12:08] <DanaG> The toshiba acpi module may work differently from the acpi video driver.
[12:24] <calc> thompa: doesn't work in feisty either, thats what i am currently running