[12:21] <stu-mc> jrib: here
[12:21] <jrib> stu-mc: hi
[12:21] <stu-mc> hi
[12:21] <OmegaCenti> listening in.
[12:21] <jrib> stu-mc: what is the full path to the directory you want to modify?
[12:21] <stu-mc>  it is /var/www/maison-paradis
[12:22] <jrib> what is the output of: ls -ld /var/www/maison-paradis
[12:23] <stu-mc> i have changed it by logging as the user who owns the dir. but the point of asking about it was that in future i would not know the pass of users i might want to change persmissions on folders to
[12:23] <OmegaCenti> drwxr-xr-x 78 omegacenti omegacenti
[12:23] <stu-mc> i can put back using the user to test with if you want
[12:24] <jrib> stu-mc: if you want to figure out what is going on, sure
[12:24] <stu-mc> it read rxwr-xr-x 5 maison-paradis
[12:24] <stu-mc> ok let me su back 2 mins
[12:26] <stu-mc> ok changed back ill get that line for you
[12:26] <stu-mc> drwxr-xr-x 5 maison-paradis maison-paradis 4096 2007-06-28 23:02 /var/www/maison-paradis
[12:26] <jrib> it's still 755
[12:26] <OmegaCenti> 4096? is that size?
[12:27] <stu-mc> i just changed back to 755 using the user
[12:27] <jrib> ok, and what do you want to change it to now?
[12:27] <stu-mc> 775
[12:27] <stu-mc> using anything but the actual user
[12:27] <OmegaCenti> I just not understood the 775...
[12:27] <OmegaCenti> Neato
[12:27] <OmegaCenti> whats the first second and third group?
[12:27] <jrib> alright, what is the output of: sudo chmod 775 /var/www/maison-paradis
[12:27] <stu-mc> Omega : http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/basic/chmod.shtml
[12:28] <stu-mc> no output
[12:28] <OmegaCenti> user,group,everyone else
[12:28] <stu-mc> but does not change the permissions
[12:28] <jrib> and now, ls -ld /var/www/maison-paradis
[12:29] <stu-mc> drwxr-xr-x 5 maison-paradis maison-paradis 4096 2007-06-28 23:02 /var/www/maison-paradis
[12:29] <jrib> indeed...
[12:29] <stu-mc> ill give you a history see if it impacts on this
[12:30] <OmegaCenti> sudo ask you for password?
[12:31] <stu-mc> made dir as root, added it as a apache viretual site directory, then wanted to create a user with it as a home dir so i could use it as a ftp user, so chnaged the owner to the user for ftp (maison-ftp) this broke apache so i re a2ensite'ed it and that then allowed it to work
[12:32] <stu-mc> sorry owner is (maison-paradis) not (maison-ftp)
[12:32] <jrib> what does 'sudo echo hi' do?
[12:32] <stu-mc> does no output
[12:32] <OmegaCenti> sudo broke
[12:32] <jrib> what is the output of 'groups'?
[12:33] <stu-mc> for the current user shows :
[12:33] <stu-mc> stuart adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev admin
[12:33] <stu-mc> however i am also a member of maison-paradis even though its not listed there
[12:34] <stu-mc> if i do id stuart i get : uid=1000(stuart) gid=1000(stuart) groups=1000(stuart),1001(maison-paradis)
[12:34] <jrib> hmm
[12:35] <jrib> stu-mc: 'getent passwd stuart'
[12:35] <stu-mc> this is why i keep going back to windows i break things to easily lol, but with windows i have the knowledge to fix them
[12:35] <stu-mc> stuart:x:1000:1000:stuart,,,:/home/stuart:/bin/bash
[12:36] <jrib> 'getent group admin' is what I meant
[12:36] <stu-mc> nothing should i sudo it ?
[12:36] <jrib> do you have any other users with sudo access?
[12:36] <stu-mc> nope
[12:37] <jrib> have you set a root password?
[12:37] <stu-mc> nope
[12:37] <stu-mc> i didnt think you could
[12:37] <jrib> not recommended, but would save some time now :)
[12:37] <jrib> 'grep admin /etc/group'
[12:37] <stu-mc> hehe
[12:37] <stu-mc> lpadmin:x:113:
[12:37] <stu-mc> admin:x:117:
[12:38] <jrib> alright, I guess you just managed to remove yourself from the "admin" group somehow (/me notes to ask users to use 'id' from now on).  Try rebooting in recovery mode and issuing: adduser stuart admin
[12:39] <stu-mc> recovery mode?
[12:39] <jrib> yeah, should be an option in grub's boot menu
[12:39] <stu-mc> ok ill look
[12:39] <stu-mc> haha give me a few i cant reboot ill have to go to the box
[12:43] <stu-mc> ok ther, sorry had to move lappy and goto the box
[12:43] <stu-mc> at # now
[12:43] <jrib> 'adduser stuart admin'
[12:44] <stu-mc> ok says done
[12:44] <jrib> reboot
[12:44] <stu-mc> ok i think when trying to add myself to maison-paradis group i screwed up.
[12:44] <jrib> you used usermod eh?
[12:45] <stu-mc> i did
[12:45] <jrib> without -a?
[12:45] <stu-mc> usermod -G
[12:45] <stu-mc> i think
[12:45] <stu-mc> i tried about 5 diff commands, all examples of the net
[12:45] <jrib> yeah, without -a it replaces your current groups with the list you give
[12:45] <stu-mc> but when using groups it didnt show me so kept trying
[12:45] <jrib> it's easier to use adduser
[12:46] <stu-mc> but if i had used id then it would have shown
[12:46] <stu-mc> what a git lol
[12:46] <stu-mc> but ty v.much
[12:46] <jrib> np
[12:47] <stu-mc> ok sudo echo working. all fixed. you are a star.
[12:47] <jrib> great
[12:56] <stu-mc> jrib sorry to bother you again, i need to find the pid of a task ( i only know about top which doesnt show it)
[12:59] <jrib> stu-mc: I use:  ps -ef | grep PROCESS
[01:00] <jrib> there's also system -> administration -> system monitor
[01:00] <stu-mc> i need to learn to use CLI as i will be ssh'ing when needed
[01:00] <jrib> !cli
[01:00] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[01:01] <jrib> http://rute.2038bug.com/ is really great
[01:03] <stu-mc> ok what i expected to find isnt there, i belived firestarter was running by default ( i used it then decided against it). but its not listed.
[01:04] <jrib> it's just a gui to iptables
[01:04] <jrib> it sets up iptables rules so it doesn't need to be running for the rules to be active.  Try 'sudo iptables -L'
[01:05] <stu-mc> if i load it in gui from system>admin and turn it off then i get access to my dns server (on the same box)
[01:07] <stu-mc> ok for the record that list is far too long (when i do ipatbles -L)
[01:09] <jrib> yeah, those are the iptables rules you currently have set
[01:09] <jrib> !iptables
[01:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[01:09] <stu-mc> can i stop iptables from running ( allow full access to and from the box?
[01:12] <jrib> stu-mc: you can flush the rules
[01:13] <stu-mc> ok ill look into it, one last thing if ya dont mind, how do i find what services run at startup ?
[01:13] <jrib> it's on the page ubotu linked:  iptables -F
[01:13] <jrib> (to flush taht is)
[01:14] <jrib> stu-mc: man update-rc.d  will explain how it works.  You may like to use sysv-rc-conf which is a nice ncurses interface to manipulating sysv init scripts
[01:14] <jrib> system -> admin -> services for the gui
[01:15] <stu-mc> ok ill look thanks ( ironicly i stop firestarter because it wouldnt let me add a network just ip's, even thought it states it should do network)
[01:17] <stu-mc> im behind a ipcop box so im safe.
[01:33] <Pirate_Hunter> hi
[01:33] <Pirate_Hunter> jrib: you here yet?
[01:33] <jrib> hi
[01:33] <Pirate_Hunter> kl
[01:34] <Pirate_Hunter> like i was saying i need to just hide or delete the folder from applications
[01:34] <jrib> run this:  find ~/.local ! -user $USER
[01:34] <Pirate_Hunter> kk
[01:35] <Pirate_Hunter> it doesnt do nothing just says bash: /home/me/.local: is a directory
[01:35] <jrib> pastebin the command and all of its output
[01:36] <Pirate_Hunter> jrib: that was the only output
[01:36] <jrib> right, but I need to see what you typed
[01:37] <jrib> because that output doesn't make sense
[01:38] <Pirate_Hunter> me@medesktop:~$ ~/.local ! -user $USER
[01:38] <Pirate_Hunter> bash: /home/me/.local: is a directory
[01:39] <jrib> right, that's not the command
[01:39] <jrib> run this:  find ~/.local ! -user $USER
[01:39] <Pirate_Hunter> hmmm???
[01:39] <jrib> you forgot "find"
[01:39] <Pirate_Hunter> ok
[01:40] <Pirate_Hunter> that gives me nothing as output
[01:40] <jrib> ok
[01:40] <jrib> what directory are you trying to hide?
[01:40] <Pirate_Hunter> u were expecting that?
[01:40] <jrib> well no, that doesn't explain why it isn't working :)
[01:40] <jrib> but that's normal, yes
[01:40] <Pirate_Hunter> transgaming folder in applcation, why it created a folder for itself i have no clue
[01:41] <jrib> run 'alacarte' in a terminal
[01:42] <Pirate_Hunter> done
[01:43] <jrib> actually, before that run this command: find ~/.config ! -user $USER
[01:43] <Pirate_Hunter> that does nothing
[01:44] <jrib> ok, carry on with alacarte, click the checkbox next to the transgaming folder
[01:45] <Pirate_Hunter> if i right click the folder the option are greyed out
[01:46] <Pirate_Hunter> what does this mean: (alacarte:6786): GnomeUI-WARNING **: gnome_icon_entry_gtk_entry deprecated, use changed signal!
[01:46] <jrib> ignore it
[01:46] <Pirate_Hunter> so what do i do from here
[01:47] <jrib> you have "applications" selected on the left and "transgaming" displayed on the right along with "accessories", "games", etc...
[01:47] <jrib> right?
[01:47] <Pirate_Hunter> yup
[01:47] <jrib> and if you click on the checkmark, there is no output?
[01:47] <Pirate_Hunter> transgaming has created an actual folder for itself even knowing i cna find it in games
[01:48] <Pirate_Hunter> yeah i get not output if i right click the transgaming folder
[01:48] <jrib> try just clicking on the checkmark next to "transgaming"
[01:49] <Pirate_Hunter> did that it unchecks the app inside the folder but i can still see it in application ti just checks itself
[01:49] <jrib> I don't understand, what do you mean by "uncheckes the app inside the folder"?
[01:51] <Pirate_Hunter> in alacarte/ left side is where all the folders are (menus) right side are the apps and i cna uncheck them not to show in menu but transgaming just acting weird
[01:51] <Pirate_Hunter> I might as well delete it aint using it now and delete all its folders which i dont know hwere they are
[01:51] <jrib> on the left side you select "applications" so that the folders show up on the right
[01:52] <Pirate_Hunter> yeah
[01:53] <Pirate_Hunter> how do i delete this completely and all its folder as well as setting
[01:53] <jrib> Pirate_Hunter: yes, I'm here...
[01:53] <jrib> :)
[01:54] <Pirate_Hunter> kk you could answer my last question
[01:54] <jrib> how did you install cedega?
[01:55] <Pirate_Hunter> rpm converted to .deb which is a no no than i got a .deb package an official package
[01:55] <jrib> you should be able to use synaptic to remove it
[01:55] <Pirate_Hunter> would it delete setting and folder as well as links if it made any
[01:56] <jrib> it should
[01:56] <Pirate_Hunter> hmmm...?
[01:58] <jrib> so, it should, but I can't predict the future :)
[11:19] <stu-mc> evening, I have created a user and set its home dir to a dir that already was there and not owned by the new user so it gave me an error, when i logged in under that user the home dir went back 1 place so instead of /var/www/if-guild it puts the user in /var/www/. I have then altered the the dir permissions using chown to the new user, i then usermod -d/var/www/if-guild <user>. the prob is it still los the user in /var/www/
[11:20] <jrib> stu-mc: you should use #ubuntu for support, this channel doesn't have as many eyes watching it
[11:21] <stu-mc> kk thanx
[11:45] <stu-mc> jrib: ok ill sort out myself, thanks for help yesterday, it seems people only answer questions in there special area, and if its not they are just negative and un-helpful, critasise people for poor use of english, spelling, punctuation. end of the day i have been on widows using forums for years, the user base for linux maybe very large and so on these days but the most of them are actually less usfull than a floppy disk fo
[11:46] <stu-mc> sorry my english is crappy, but hey ho, im not english teacher nor do i expect others that speak to me to have perfect english.
[11:47] <stu-mc> so hey ho, have fun and thanks alot. but windows is calling me and beta server 2008 is now out.