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wasabianybody want to leave commentary on bug #12005112:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120051 in adduser "does not canonicalize username before editing /etc/group" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12005112:59
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_MMA_I posted to the -devel ML. Who do I tap to get it pushed through?01:22
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bdmurraybryce: I think I found one of those I830 bugs01:27
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madmetal_spyrosis here the place to discuss about gutsy's bugs? (not asking for solution)01:29
persiamadmetal_spyros: #ubuntu-bugs is the best place for that.01:29
madmetal_spyrosoke :) although its gutsy's ;) 01:30
madmetal_spyrosthanks persia 01:30
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deuce868anyone on the laptop team might be able to give me a hand with a new T61?02:29
ijuz__unsharp X with gma x3100?02:30
deuce868no, I get funky resolution02:30
ijuz__damn, looks like i'm the only idiot with that specific problem02:31
deuce868the unsharp X was noted in thinkwiki02:31
deuce868had to recompile with a specific change02:31
deuce868I haven't gotten that far yet02:31
ijuz__deuce868: http://debian.christian-leber.de/d830/DSCF7379.JPG i have this too, when i connect an external screen, have you tried to set the screen res again with xrandr?02:32
deuce868no, I've only set the res in the xorg.conf02:33
deuce868I haven't tried out any xrandr stuff02:33
deuce868oh wow, ok...so ubuntu thinks my laptop display is the tv out02:36
deuce868no wonder I can't get above 30hz02:36
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deuce868so how does this xrandr work? I see the modes02:47
deuce868and I see a * on the right one02:47
deuce868but when i try to set it to 1440x900 I get not a valid type02:47
deuce868"Size 1440x900 not found in available modes"02:48
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ijuz__already the 2.0.0 driver?02:50
ijuz__deuce868: thank you very much, the thinkwiki link allows me to not get crazy on this sharpness issue, now i have beautiful KDE at 1920x1200 :)02:51
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ProN00buh, is there a gui/automatic way to regenerate /etc/fstab ?02:57
deuce868ijuz__: yea, it's 2.0.0 driver02:58
deuce868glad that trick worked out for you ijuz__ 02:58
minghuaProN00b: This is not a support channel.  Please try #ubuntu.02:58
deuce868hopefully we can get these machines running02:58
ijuz__deuce868: does X detect the lcd panel?03:00
deuce868just default monitor03:00
deuce868that's my xrandr output03:01
ijuz__can't you switch the TV off?03:02
deuce868with xrandr?03:03
ijuz__xrandr --output=TV --off something like that03:03
deuce868or you mean a bios setting?03:03
ijuz__when you have xrandr 1.303:03
deuce868bingo, you're my hero03:03
deuce868gnome menu's just went full screen03:04
ijuz__does beryl work for you? :)03:04
deuce868so now the question, should I submit a bug to gutsy or anything?03:04
deuce868I turned off the desktop effects03:04
deuce868one sec, I'll try to re-enable03:05
ijuz__my X hangs when i start beryl03:05
ijuz__(as in dead)03:05
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wasabiso who should i petition to get the fade out animation removed for gksu?03:10
wasabilike, it's really obnoxious. And doubly so if you have compiz running.03:10
bhalewasabi: i blame seb03:17
deuce868ijuz__: no, I seem to be able to enable desktop effects ok03:17
deuce868I can't see how to disable the tv though03:17
deuce868I have to do it on each boot03:17
ijuz__i think you can set output in the xorg.conf03:18
ijuz__damn, here it dies (it's a Dell D830 and not a T61)03:18
deuce868that's ok, it's all nuts. 03:19
deuce868can't set the brightness unplugged03:19
deuce868it even jumps around on its own lol03:19
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wasabiit should be `if (compiz) doPrettyCompositeEnabledFade();`, and that's it.03:25
wasabiI tjust looks like utter crap otherwise. Every program redraws in some random order. Slowely.03:25
wasabiAnd the fade out is a giant window wiper moving from the top to the bottom three times.03:25
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deuce868ijuz__: hey, how did you get the blur trick to work?03:34
deuce868I can't get the package to build03:34
deuce868dh command not found?03:35
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wasabiso are ya'll being smashed with crash reports since introducing apport?03:39
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wasabilike, i'm about to submit ... 9 various crash reports. 03:39
wasabin/m launchpad dead. ;)03:40
deuce868you find launchpad not letting you submit as well?03:40
wasabiIt's working now intermittently.03:43
Hobbseewhy are there *never* any members here of the CC when i want them?03:56
Hobbsee(and active)03:56
persiaHobbsee: Weekend?  Europe?03:58
Hobbseetrue that03:58
Hobbseewas just hoping regardless03:58
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Burgundaviahello okaratas07:05
okaratasBurgundavia, how are you ?07:05
Burgundavianot bad07:05
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okarataswhat is te bug?07:15
okaratas"Jun 30 08:15:31 ozgur kernel: [ 2011.209277]  SKB BUG: Invalid truesize (304) len=1440, sizeof(sk_buff)=176"07:15
okarataswhat in interest SKB BUG?07:16
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mikmorgI'm trying to work a bit with Ubiquity, but am having a hard time understanding exactly where it is pulling from. Does ubiquity copy casper's live root to the harddrive? Does it create a new initrd, or copy casper's as well?08:08
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superm1mikmorg, it doesn't copy the live root08:10
superm1it only copies the unmodified version08:11
superm1you can see whats copied in /rofs on a live disk08:11
superm1i believe it does however generate a new initrd08:11
superm1after everything is copied over08:11
superm1and casper is removed08:11
mikmorgsuperm1: perfect..08:12
superm1mikmorg, are you looking to modify it, or adapt existing towards a live disk your making?08:13
mikmorgsuperm1: actually, I'm not sure what I can and cannot discuss at the moment.08:14
mikmorgsuperm1: sorry.08:14
superm1mikmorg, pm?08:14
superm1or just can't period08:14
mikmorgsuperm1: pm is..?08:14
superm1private message 08:14
mikmorgsuperm1: ah, no sorry.. not yet :(08:14
superm1well if this is for a derivative distro, I can work with you a bit on adapting ubiquity towards it.  i've been working on a fairly large patch for mythbuntu08:15
mikmorgsuperm1: Do you work at Canonical?08:16
superm1mikmorg, no08:16
superm1do you?08:16
mikmorgNo, I'm working at Dell.08:16
superm1ah okay08:16
superm1that would make more sense as to not being sure what can and cant be discussed08:17
mikmorgsuperm1: Precisely :)08:17
superm1okay well feel free to ping me with any other questions, and likely you should join #ubuntu-installer.  the main installer guys, including the ones working for canonical are found there most of the time08:18
mikmorgsuperm1: Ah, they've been hiding from me in there all this time?08:18
mikmorgsuperm1: Thanks a lot - I didn't notice that room.08:18
mikmorgsuperm1: You wouldn't happen to know if the /cdrom/casper/initrd.gz is generated inside of the same casper image as what is on the CD, would you?08:19
superm1evand and cjwatson will be the two main guys to talk to in there08:19
mikmorgsuperm1: I've been discussing quite a few things with cj.08:19
superm1i dont know too much about how the official process for generating that file is (i haven't seen canonical's live cd build process).  For our mythbuntu disks, we have been using the same initrd.gz for /cdrom/casper/ as well as the one sitting in the root of the disk08:21
superm1best way to determine for sure if you can't catch one of those guys is just md5sum the two of them08:21
superm1and compare08:21
mikmorgsuperm1: Good point. I didn't notice that the one in the root of the disk ever gets called.. am I wrong about that?08:22
superm1mikmorg, i can't think of any reason it would be called, other than since its a symlink to /boot08:23
mikmorgI don't see one at all08:23
superm1so when the system is copied over08:23
mikmorgah yes, in casper..08:23
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mikmorgsuperm1: It seems that I'm lucky08:33
superm1mikmorg, why is that?08:33
mikmorgsuperm1: /cdrom/casper/initrd.gz is indeed generated by (or at least, can be) the casper FS on the CD08:33
mikmorga diff -r returns clean08:33
superm1ah :)08:34
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Hobbseehiya LaserJock 10:09
LaserJockhi Hobbsee 10:17
Hobbseehow's it goign?10:17
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ajmitchhey LaserJock 10:18
LaserJockit's, you know ... going10:20
LaserJockI'm hackin' on some Edubuntu stuff10:20
LaserJockit's always fun being the first to do things :/10:22
ajmitchit certainly is10:22
FujitsuLaserJock: What are you trying to do?10:22
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LaserJockthis 2nd CD we introduced in Feisty has caused all kinds of interesting things10:22
Hobbseehiya Fujitsu 10:22
FujitsuHi Hobbsee.10:23
LaserJockFujitsu: currently I'm playing around with the .iso build process to end up with a customized gnome-app-install window when you pop in the 2nd Cd10:23
FujitsuAh. Sounds fun.10:24
LaserJockluckily mvo, et. al did a good job when they wrote g-a-i :-)10:24
jsgotangcoLaserJock: i remember something similar to what Xandros does with their 2nd CD10:27
jsgotangcoput the CD in, and a selection window pops out10:27
LaserJockjsgotangco: in Feisty, you get a window that lets you go to either synaptic (with the CD added to sources.list) or g-a-i showing just the contents of the CD10:28
LaserJockbut most all the apps end up in Education with a lot of other empty menus10:31
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LaserJockboy, I think gutsy almost ate a hard drive today10:40
LaserJockI have an old computer at work that I have running gutsy, and I did my usual dist-upgrade10:40
LaserJockand I rebooted the other day and kinda forgot about it10:41
LaserJockbut today I went to do something with it and noticed it was reeeealy slow10:41
LaserJockand I got all kinds of "not-so-nice" messages in console10:41
LaserJockbunches of udev stuff10:41
ajmitchah, ignore those :)10:41
ajmitchudev & devmapper?10:42
LaserJockso I googled around and found a launchpad bug10:42
LaserJockapparently it was driving my hard drive into the ground10:42
LaserJockso I got rid of evms and it seems ok10:42
LaserJockbut the drive is old and I got a few IO errors10:42
LaserJockso I made backups today :-)10:42
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jsgotangcoit must be the video10:43
LaserJockof course10:43
LaserJockdarn those binary blobs ;-)10:43
ajmitchgiven that the last I saw before I killed X, was X taking 100% CPU time10:44
ajmitchafter I killed X I lost network access10:44
ajmitchgenerally happens when the kernel goes into la-la-land10:44
LaserJockheh, that's why I use ancient video cards that only work with vesa :-)10:44
ajmitchI need my gaming fix10:44
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LaserJockalthough I so want to try out the new "desktop effects by default"10:45
ajmitchthough I originally went for an nvidia card because there was a spare dual-head card10:45
ajmitchand I really miss dual-head now :(10:45
LaserJockI could do a dual-head setup, 17" CRT and air ;-)10:46
LaserJockalthough there is actually a whiteboard right beside it10:47
ajmitchI was spoilt - now a 20" LCD feels small10:47
LaserJockI could draw a screen10:47
LaserJockand call that my bling monitor10:47
ajmitchooh, cubes!10:47
LaserJockhmm, my 3D wet-erase art isn't the best10:47
ajmitchaha, found that box of blank DVDs10:48
ajmitchtime to start with backups10:48
ion_I used to have two 17 CRTs, now i have a single 22 TFT. I prefer this one. Two 22s would be nice, but also expensive.10:48
=== Mithrandir ponders getting a 20" in addition to his two 17" screens.
Mithrandirproblem is, my desk is getting too small10:48
=== persia suggests goggles
Mithrandirgoggles with a virtual 10k by 10k screen?10:49
HobbseeMithrandir: then get a bigger desk.10:50
Hobbseeproblem solved.10:50
MithrandirHobbsee: that would entail getting a new apartment, since it's quite crowded in here already.10:50
Mithrandirand that's just too much hassle10:50
persiaUmm..  That'd be really nice, but I was thinking something actually on the market (like 800x600 or 1024x768), the point being that they provide more pixels without using desk space.10:50
HobbseeMithrandir: over a computer monitor, yes.10:50
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ajmitchHobbsee: monitors are *important*10:52
Hobbseeajmitch: hence 2x 17 inch ones should be sufficient.10:52
LaserJockajmitch: they are?10:53
LaserJockwell, one is at least10:53
MithrandirI could just replace one of them with a 20" instead.  There might be room for that.10:54
LaserJockbut the reason I haven't gotten a flat panel for my dekstop is I'm always just ssh'd into it anyway10:54
persiaMithrandir: You could get the rotating kind, and switch the aspect.10:54
=== Fujitsu is using a state-of-the-art 15" CRT.
=== Fujitsu kicks Dell AC adapters.
LaserJockI wonder what would happen if I took a bunch of those 7" displays on the intel classmatepc and glued them to the wall10:56
LaserJockseems like that would be a bit of a disaster10:57
KmosFujitsu: that's for museum :)10:58
MithrandirI saw HP had done something cool with projectors; by some nice use of software, you just pointed a bunch of projectors at a wall, told them to calibrate and then had a huge screen10:58
FujitsuKmos: Unfortunately it's all I have other than my laptop LCD.10:58
FujitsuMithrandir: Mmm... sounds expensive.10:59
HobbseeFujitsu: projector bulbs are, yes.10:59
MithrandirFujitsu: not when you can use cheap projectors.11:00
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Mithrandiryou get 800x600 projectors here for about 50011:00
FujitsuStill rather expensive.11:01
Hobbseethen you have to manhandle the projector to work, too11:01
Hobbseewhich is fine, assuming you know what you're doing11:01
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ion_DIY projector, http://inventgeek.com/Projects/HomeTheater/overview.aspx :-)11:05
StevenKHobbsee: The projector we have at $WORK came with a padded bag that neatly fits the projector and all cables.11:06
HobbseeStevenK: that's not the problem11:07
StevenKI misunderstood "manhandle the projector to work" then. Okay.11:07
HobbseeStevenK: if that were the problem, i would never have gotten called out of class countless times from other classes trying to make their projector work, because the students would often say "oh, go get sarah, she can fix this"11:07
Hobbseeusually with a combination of power, and function+f8.11:08
Hobbseeand occasoinally having to cycle the projector so it was getting the right input.11:08
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Hobbseeof course, it gets really interesting when you just walk into someone else's classroom, where the teacher has never met you before, and saying "here, i'll fix the projector" - or telling your own teacher "i'll be back in a minute"  "where are you going?" "fixing things"  "but where are you going?"11:10
Hobbseementally going: stop asking me these questions, you really dont need to know, and it's disrupting the class.11:10
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Kmosnot working11:20
ijuz_deuce868: apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-intel11:21
FujitsuKmos: It's due to the unannounced LP change last week.11:24
FujitsuKmos: I haven't seen carthik around lately.11:24
Kmosi'll mail him11:24
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pygipitti, you're supposed to eat her :)11:25
pittinah, I'm a semi-vegetarian11:25
ajmitchpitti: you eat semi-vegetables?11:27
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pittiajmitch: yeah, only one half of an apple at a time11:27
StevenKpitti: Is libspandsp* in binary NEW still?11:29
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=== StevenK is glancing at cruft stuff.
pittiStevenK: no, nothing in new11:30
pittiStevenK: shall I update it for you again?11:30
pittiStevenK: next week I'll look into automating this, but it's not really trivial11:31
StevenKpitti: I haven't done anything, so I don't see the point.11:31
StevenKI did however, see spandsp FTBFS on amd64, so I'm chasing that, first.11:31
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StevenKpitti: And jackass says, "That's what you think" ? :-P11:32
pittiStevenK: you mean drescher?11:32
StevenKpeople.u.c is jackass, or does jackass only host?11:33
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pittiStevenK: ah, people is rookery11:33
pittiStevenK: jackass is the old archive.u.c., still used for security uploads and processing11:33
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pygimorning Zdra 11:38
Zdrahello pygi11:38
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=== StevenK kicks it up a notch, and starts doing build time munging of .install files.
FujitsuStevenK: That sounds a little evil.11:40
StevenKFujitsu: Files are installed into /usr/lib for every arch except amd64 where it's /usr/lib64.11:41
FujitsuStevenK: /usr/lib64 is a symlink here.11:41
LaserJockdoes bzr get faster at pushing after the initial one?11:41
FujitsuLaserJock: It doesn't have to push the whole lot, so yes.11:42
FujitsuMuch, much quicker if it's a large tree like mplayer.11:42
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StevenKcp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/libspandsp.so.0': No such file or directory11:43
LaserJockwell, I just discovered my last branch on LP is 55 weeks old11:44
LaserJockwhich seems rather pathetic11:44
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pittiStevenK: I cleaned up some cruft and updated the lists11:46
StevenKpitti: Great, thanks.11:46
StevenKI'm still twitching over curl*.11:46
StevenKFujitsu: /usr/lib64 being a symlink has nothing to do with $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr/lib6411:48
FujitsuStevenK: Noted, but I failed to realise that is what you meant.11:51
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zerGutsy contains new default directories in $HOME: Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos. Will there be any plans to support a localized version?12:16
persiazer: Yes.  The default folders should have localised names at release time.12:17
ion_Capital letters in directory names for the lose.12:18
zerpersia: ok, good news. Because i know that if i create a directory "Dokumente", no Bookmark gets created. But if i create "Documents", a new bookmark for this directory appears automatically.12:18
ion_...as long as we use case-sensitive filesystems. :-)12:18
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zernautilus-sendto only contains Evolution in Gutsy, no Pidgin-support anymore?12:24
minghuapersia: Are the xdg-user-dirs folders ubuntu specific?12:26
persiaminghua: Not to my knowledge.12:26
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minghuapersia: Good, then most likely they are going to be translated in time.  Otherwise I have my doubts.12:27
persiaminghua: A fair amount seems to be done upstream (see http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs).  None for JA though :(12:28
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minghuapersia: It's still a long way until string freeze, don't worry.12:31
minghuapersia: BTW do you use a ja desktop?12:31
persiaminghua: I usually use English, but sometimes ja or ru for testing l10n issues.12:32
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ajmitchthat's unnecessarily cruel & vicious12:32
pygiajmitch, it's not12:33
Hobbseeajmitch: no it's not12:33
Hobbseeajmitch: not if he's jumping at me and tickling my feet :P12:34
pygiHobbsee, don't steal my words!12:34
=== Hobbsee eats the words. yummy!
ajmitchHobbsee: and when did he do such things?12:34
Hobbsee[19:25]  * pitti jumps at Hobbsee and tickles her feet12:34
=== minghua feels a bit more guilty for not using zh desktop.
ajmitchHobbsee: nothing wrong with that :)12:35
persiaminghua: Is there enough translation?  ru is usually pretty solid, but ja still has lots of English scattered about.12:35
minghuapersia: GNOME should be okay, which is what I use12:36
Fujitsupersia: How many languages do you speak?12:36
persiaFujitsu: Um.  Zero?  I can say at least a few words in many, handle taxis in restaurants for most majors, have once held conversations in five or six, and am no longer confident in my ability to be correct in any.12:37
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minghuatexis in restaurants?12:40
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Mithrandirbig restaurants; you have to take a taxi around in it.12:41
mptWhat's Japanese for "What the hell is that taxi doing in my restaurant"12:41
minghuapoor waiters12:41
FujitsuMithrandir: Heh.12:41
persiaminghua: Case in point :)  Should have been taxis and restaurants (but not for arabic or farsi, sadly).12:41
Mithrandirmpt: "idling" would be a good response.12:41
ion_The fi desktop is awful. The most annoying thing is that theyve translated MB to Mt, as if standard units were somehow translatable. Not only that, but t is already taken by tonne. :-)12:41
pygiion_, didn't you said that already?12:42
pygideja vu!12:42
ion_Yes, i did.12:42
FujitsuThose are some damn heavy files.12:42
mptI would like to see a grading of Ubuntu translation quality done by people fluent in each language12:43
minghuaI imagine qualification of the graders is going to be a problem :-)12:43
mptbecause otherwise it's very difficult to tell how well Ubuntu's translation effort is goin12:43
mptYeah, it's a bit of a catch-1112:44
FujitsuUm, catch-22?12:44
persiampt: I think that as interest in each country grows, the translations naturally get better.  pt is really strong, for example.12:44
mptFujitsu, no, not as bad as a catch-22, it goes only in one direction12:44
persiaFujitsu: No.  We're all mad - but nobody is trying to leave.12:45
Mithrandiryou could just have a simple majority vote and do some analysis based on the mean and the median (and maybe the standard deviation).12:45
mptSimilar to the problem of grading Wikipedia articles12:45
Fujitsumpt: Ah.12:45
Mithrandirit wouldn't be perfect, but it should give you a reasonable number, I would think.12:45
mptor grading Free Software usability12:45
ion_Or the naming of free software. ;-)12:47
ion_Case in point: qtpfsgui12:47
mptor gimp12:47
mptor iceweasel12:47
Mithrandirion_: it's a qt program, doing stuff with PFS and it's a gui app.  I don't see what's weird with that.12:47
persiampt: I like my graphical image manipulation program!12:47
minghuahmm, I think ubuntu's code names are worth mentioning as well12:48
ajmitchminghua: isn't the gutsy gibbon descriptive enough?12:48
mptminghua, and the version numbers12:48
MithrandirI'd rather have names be unique than descriptive.12:48
persiaminghua: They get real version numbers at release.  It's not that different than other environments.12:48
minghuaajmitch: yeah, very descriptive, especially translated to Chinese12:49
persiaminghua: Why do we need to translate internal code names, when development is done in a single language?12:49
Mithrandirnames such as "evolution", "tasks" or "excel" are horrible names, they are all common words which makes searching for them hard and with the exception of tasks doesn't say what the app does at all.12:49
minghuapersia: I have no idea, but I see those translations on Chinese forums, some of which makes me frown12:50
mptMithrandir, that's true too, but that Microsoft gives things crappy names is not an excuse for us to do so as well :-)12:50
Mithrandirmpt: two of my three examples were free software projects.12:50
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Mithrandirmpt: you can try searching for it. :-P12:51
mpthar har12:51
Mithrandir(oh, and they have "contacts", "dates" and "sync" too.)12:52
mptSo compounds are an easy way of generating searchable names12:52
mptFirefox, OneNote, OpenOffice, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Thunderbird12:52
Mithrandirhalf of which doesn't say what the application actually does.12:53
persiampt: Yes, but how do you translate compounds into languages with no common phonetic representation?12:53
mptRight, searchability is desirable but not sufficient12:53
mptPhotoshop and OneNote are vaguely reminiscent, the others of those are not12:53
Mithrandirfirefox?  That's an animal.  OneNote?  Note-taking program?  Word processor?  Bibliography manager?  Dreamweaver?  Uh, program for controlling weaving machines?  Animation package?  Thunderbird?  Just a mythical animal.12:54
minghuapersia: actually when it comes to animals, Chinese is far less concise than English12:54
Mithrandiropenoffice.org isn't all bad, since people know what an office program is (even if the term is incorrect).12:55
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minghuaI don't know how often English speaking people use "gibbon" in daily conversations, but I think most Chinese just call them "monkeys"12:56
mptpersia, by "no common phonetic representation" do you mean no equivalent of hiragana/katakana?12:56
minghuawe do have a term for zoologists, but I doubt everyone knows it12:56
minghuaso firefox is a real animal?12:57
persiampt: Or, more generally no phonetic alphabet (Roman, Hangul, kana, Arabic, etc. are all fine).  I've most frequently seen this issue with Chinese environments.12:57
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Fujitsuminghua: I've not heard of it.12:59
persiampt: Specifically, if it can be pronounced, but has no meaning, it's easy to substitute some characters to make a similar sound (and it's obviously a foreign word), if it is a compond, there may be a tendency to translate the meaning of the individual sections, rather than the sound, which can be confusing.12:59
mptpersia, dunno. How did Google China end up as Gu Ge?12:59
minghuapersia: I don't quite understand your comment about Chinese and compounds12:59
minghuampt: Alas, that was a interesting story12:59
persiampt: Phonetic similarity to a nonsense word (obviously foreign).12:59
minghuaFujitsu: you haven't heard of "council greyskull" either, you don't count. :-P01:00
mptMaybe the answer to translating things like that is "don't"01:00
persiaminghua: My IME is not working today, but essentially the difference between (fi)(re)(fo)(ksi) and (fire)(fox).01:00
mptEven though Ubuntu has a meaning, I wouldn't expect that to be translated01:00
mptSame for other brand names01:00
persiampt: Use Roman characters then?01:01
minghuapersia: Oh I see.  That's fine, as we can do phonetic translations (as mpt just pointed out, google -> gu ge), but it's not as common as in Japanese01:01
mptpersia, I don't know.01:01
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persiaminghua: That's because you don't have kana :)  Anyway, I'm thinking about translator confusion, rather than anything else.01:02
minghuain the case of firefox, we translate literally as fire (huo) + fox(hu)01:02
persiaminghua: Right.  That's an example of something that makes componds dangerous.  As pointed out before, DreamWeaver would be a good name for an automated loom control system.01:03
minghuayes, I agree, a lot of compounds translate to quite hilarious words in Chinese01:03
persiaI like either mpt's idea of not translating, or documenting that translators should use phonetic equivalents when translating names.01:04
mptand http://www.microsoft.com/japan/windows/products/windowsvista/default.mspx01:04
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minghuatake our google example, before they decide on a Chinese name themselves, it is affectionately called "ancient dog" due to phonetic similarity01:04
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minghuagoogle is not exactly compounds, but that's on top of my head01:05
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persiampt: Japanese is a poor example, as most Japanese are familiar with three phonetic systems.01:05
mptSo ideally their new name should have been a translation of "new tricks" :-P01:05
persiaMixing is very common, and not mixing is considered poor use of the language.01:06
mptpersia, you mean most of them know Romaji?01:06
persiampt: Standard Education requires 10 years of English.01:06
minghuapersia: why three?01:07
mptok, http://www.microsoft.com/china/windows/default.mspx01:07
mptsame thing01:07
minghuawindows is a bad example, you just can't translate it, too confusing01:08
persiaminghua: hiragana for native words, katakana for borrowed words or emphasis (often used like italics), and Romaji for style (often used for foreign words (not always correctly), proper names, or for even more emphasis).01:08
minghuaoffice is another bad example01:08
mptand http://www.apple.com.cn/macosx/leopard/index.html01:08
mptThere are leopards in China, right? :-)01:09
persiaThere's at least  01:09
minghuapersia: oh, I see.  I mistakenly thought "three pronunciation systems".01:09
minghuaprobably not01:10
minghualeopards are translated "American ", I think01:10
minghualet me check on wikipedia01:10
mptminghua, is it *more* confusing in Chinese than it is in English?01:10
persiaThat's more Roman characters than I usually see on Chinese pages.01:11
mpt("We run a Microsoft office" vs. "We run Microsoft Office")01:11
minghuampt: I don't know, I use Chinese and English in too different occasions01:11
persiaminghua: I think that's panther.01:11
persiampt: Where is "We run a Microsoft office"?  Is that a machine translation?01:12
minghuapersia: It seems either of us is right.  leopard is indeed the Asian one, jaguar is the American one.01:12
persiaHmmm.  I liked either better :)01:13
mptpersia, in English the phrase "Microsoft shop" is far more common to refer to an office or department that uses Microsoft software exclusively or nearly exclusively01:13
mpteven when they're not shops01:13
persiaminghua: Still, it's " ", no?01:13
mptand that *might* be because of the existence of Microsoft Office making "office" confusing, but there's no real way to tell now.01:13
persiampt: That's just jargon.01:13
minghuapersia: I suppose so, although I doubt there are many leopards left in China, as we don't talk much about it.01:14
mptWe should resolve this by using numbers for product names *as well as* for versions01:14
persiaminghua: Probably not :)  Maybe in the far northwest (unless that's too dry for them).01:14
minghuapersia: In Chinese culture tiger is the typical big, wild and carnival animal.01:14
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mptUbuntu Gutsy shall henceforth be 7471108.7.1001:15
minghua"King of all beasts" and that.01:15
persiaminghua: Amusingly, in English, the "King of all beasts" is the lion.01:15
minghuayeah I realize that.01:16
minghuamost likely because there are tiger in China (or *were*).01:16
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mptThere wer 125000 years ago01:19
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persiampt: Why 7471108?01:19
mptchosen at random01:19
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leleobhzsomeone can explain me how the restricted-modules package works?01:48
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leleobhzbecause i want to update the fglrx but a simple uupdate will not work01:48
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sivanghi folks01:50
sivangdoes someone know of a reliable way to compare two dirs and make sure they are identical? or is 'diff -r dir1 dir2' the way to go? (I copied a bunch of gigs from ext3 to xfs FS and size differ in about 4G so I want to make sure it's all there)01:51
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gesersivang: do you only want to compare the file list or also the file contents?01:54
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Mithrandirsivang: I'd use md5sum or sha1sum rather than just diff.02:07
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sivanggeser, Mithrandir : thanks guys, but it appears I found the culprit - permission problem that prevented true calculation of sizes02:09
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Mithrandiryou can still be eaten02:09
Mithrandirjust not digested.02:09
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pygiHobbsee, but you already are eaten ... which kindof makes your theory false02:10
Hobbseeno i'm not02:10
pygiyup, you are02:10
sivangMithrandir, geser : diff seemed to be enough for this purpose, as I did want to only compare file list and not contents02:11
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pygiHobbsee, ^^02:12
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evandWow, gnash leaks like a sieve.03:15
Hobbseehiya evand 03:16
Hobbseeevand: i tentatively triaged a few ubiquity bugs03:16
evandhello Hobbsee 03:16
Hobbseeevand: basically dupes of the sudo/gksudo problem.03:17
evandgood, perhaps the additional logs will give a clearer picture, though as cjwatson has suggested it's probably the interaction with gksudo03:18
Hobbseeevand: i dont use gnome normally, so dont know about gksudo itself.  but yeah.03:19
Hobbseeat least, that's what the cause of it seemed to be, to me.  *shrugs*.  it's not WM related - although the symptoms change dependant on the WM03:20
evand'tis a very odd bug03:21
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RageMaxI'm seeing the busybox "can't access tty; job control turned off" error in both feisty and gutsy06:25
RageMaxthe machine works fine with knoppix06:25
ijuz_RageMax: when trying to boot the desktop cd?06:26
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RageMaxijuz_: right, I see a lot of other people are having the problem as well06:27
ijuz_that is some new hardware?06:27
RageMaxyeah, it's a newish gateway laptop06:27
ijuz_i thought gateway is dead... bu tok06:27
RageMaxnah, their laptops are better than dell ;)06:27
ijuz_use the alternate cd06:28
ijuz_it will load the generic-ide module06:28
RageMaxthe laptop is SATA06:28
ijuz_well, no idea what it is in my laptop... but it worked there, you can in the meantime try modprobe generic-ide from the console you get when booting the desktop cd fails06:29
ijuz_cat /proc/kmsg will show you if it was found06:29
ijuz_no idea if there is someway to start the boot script again06:29
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RageMaxijuz_: thanks, you pointed me in the right direction, I got it to boot06:44
RageMaxneed the generic.all_generic_ide option set to 1 upon boot06:44
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ijuz_as boot parameter?06:45
RageMaxthis has to be a huge frickin hack06:46
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ijuz_no idea if there is already a bug report for this, basically the script should try to load ide-generic before giving up06:48
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RageMaxfound another bug with the intel driver, but it looks like someone reported that already06:56
RageMaxxdriver that is06:56
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Kmosetank: bug 46135 , not fixed yet ?10:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 46135 in ubiquity "Failed to create file system (with 'erase entire disk')" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4613510:44
etankKmos: i dont know10:46
etanki haven't seen that bug before10:46
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Kmosetank: still from 200610:51
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ChipzzKmos: that looks like a bug which has a reasonable explanation and work-around10:56
Kmosyeah, maybe10:56
Chipzzso: Kmos haven't created a patch for bug 46135 yet? ;P10:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 46135 in ubiquity "Failed to create file system (with 'erase entire disk')" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4613510:56
KmosChipzz: isn't attached10:57
Chipzz(subtile or less subtile way to point out that this isn't the best place to come complain about your favorite bugs ;) ;) )10:57
Kmosor someone reproduce it at new ubiquity version to see if it's fixed10:57
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Chipzz(Kmos: or at least try to use a few more words; in hindsight your question could be interpreted as "is this bug aleady fixed or not?", but the way you put it sounded an awefull lot like "why hasn't this been fixed yet? hurry!" ;P)11:02
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