[03:06] <ryancr> is the group plugin available in gutsy's compiz-fusion?
[03:07] <Pici> I see it on the list, but I dont personally use it.
[03:07] <ryancr> which list?
[03:07] <crdlb> !find libgroup.so gutsy
[03:07] <ubotu> File libgroup.so found in beryl-plugins-unsupported, beryl-plugins-unsupported-dbg
[03:08] <Pici> In CompizConfig Settings Manager
[03:08] <crdlb> :/
[03:08] <ryancr> well i found it in gconf, but there is only a single enable/disable checkbox... and it doesn't seem to do anything
[03:08] <crdlb> yeah look in ccsm
[03:08] <Pici> Although, it might be broken like cubereflex is :/
[03:09] <ryancr> doh, thanks.. i didn't scroll down far enought in ccsm ;(
[03:11] <ryancr> hmm yeah.. enabled it.. still doesnt seem to do anything
[03:16] <ryancr> yep no luck...damn.. wanted to try it out
[03:16] <Pici> Looks like it has the same issue as cubereflex
[03:17] <Pici> You want to file the bug, or shall I?
[03:19] <ryancr> is there any other data i can grab?  some compiz error log or something?
[03:20] <Pici> I attached strace and looked for file operations:
[03:20] <ryancr> i wonder if Super+s is used for something else, i only ask cuz if i try and do a super+s on a terminal it just types the letter 's' in the terminal
[03:20] <Pici> open("/usr/lib/compiz/libgroup.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[03:21] <Pici> its in the non-official packages...
[03:21] <ryancr> well that looks like what is going on with mine, no libgroup.so there either
[03:56] <ryancr>  is there anyway to change the color that shows after gdm login but before the desktop displays?
[03:57] <ryancr> i thought i read somewhere before that this color(brown) is hard coded somewhere but it can be changed
[05:39] <jriachi> hello
[05:40] <jriachi> i am running kubuntu gutsy, what would the best way to get compiz running, i get no windows decorations when i follow the tutorial i found in ubuntu.com  :S
[06:22] <DanaG> heh, nice bug title: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/112084
[06:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112084 in aptitude "aptitude wants to commit suicide (and take all system with it)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:31] <jriachi> (argh... that libc6 g_thread_init() bug , is going to drive me crazy ...)
[06:33] <jriachi> can i use libc6 from feisty or something?
[06:51] <deobfuscate> So how stable is tribe 2 at the moment
[07:23] <starz> h3sp4wn, sorry i had been up all night and crashed the hell out
[07:23] <starz> yeah i use the same partition for / and /boot
[07:23] <starz> i just seperate swap and home out
[07:23] <starz> swap is shared across distros as is /home
[07:38] <starz> hm
[07:39] <starz> perhaps you were hinting at using a shared /boot partition
[07:40] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[07:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 
[07:40] <DanaG> hmm, I see other brightness bugs that may be related.
[07:50] <Hobbsee> hiya starz, DanaG
[07:50] <starz> sup thar Hobbsee ^_^
[07:50] <starz> still hadnt gotten to installing the dealio b/c i fell asleep >_<
[07:50] <Hobbsee> i'm contemplating what to upload to the archive next :P
[07:50] <Hobbsee> how's that for an answer?
[07:50] <starz> mm
[07:51] <starz> how about some gnu porn>?
[07:51] <starz> we could make a non-official repo for hawt walls
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hmmm...nah.  i suspect i might lose my upload rigths for that
[07:51] <starz> kinda like the old ones but hAWTer
[07:51] <starz> dar
[07:51] <starz> n
[07:51] <starz> well what are our options?
[07:51] <starz> :)
[09:06] <starz> hm
[09:06] <starz> well i managed to boot into the live cd lol
[09:06] <Hobbsee> that's a start
[09:06] <Hobbsee> starz: and then it all broke?
[09:07] <starz> naw actually its working ok
[09:07] <starz> installed nvidia glx and xchat
[09:07] <starz> btw
[09:07] <starz> can i mention that i think xchat should REALLY ship with the default package
[09:07] <starz> or irssi or SOMETHING
[09:08] <starz> should be a command like 'help' or so so someone could theoretically know nothing and type in that and come to the irc chan lol
[09:08] <starz> yeah i think im gonna replace my feisty install with this :>
[09:08] <starz> [edgy is my regular install] 
[09:08] <starz> btw
[09:08] <starz> is there a way to start the installer so that it installs it with the preferences and packages i have in now?
[09:09] <starz> [thats another one thats always bothered me lol] 
[09:09] <starz> and ive also always wondered if there was a way to take and do the um
[09:09] <Hobbsee> starz: space
[09:09] <starz> i forget what its called but its popular with say knoppix and dsl where u write the image to a partition and always boot like its live, just have a settings partition seperate
[09:09] <Hobbsee> but yeah, i'd like irssi
[09:10] <starz> Hobbsee, space??
[09:10] <Hobbsee> starz: yes.  on the cd.
[09:10] <Hobbsee> as in, the distinct lack of it
[09:10] <starz> o
[09:10] <starz> yeah.
[09:10] <starz> irssi is pretty small >.<
[09:10] <Hobbsee> !info irssi
[09:10] <ubotu> irssi: terminal based IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.11-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1027 kB, installed size 2796 kB
[09:10] <starz> but yeah i know yall think about that stuff
[09:10] <Hobbsee> 1mb
[09:10] <starz> owow
[09:10] <starz> almost a meg eh
[09:11] <starz> nirc?
[09:11] <starz> is that it?
[09:11] <Hobbsee> they had to kick 14, else the ubuntu cds wouldnt work
[09:11] <starz> one sec
[09:11] <Hobbsee> you can use dpkg --set-selections and dpkg --get-selections
[09:11] <Hobbsee> man dpkg tells you more
[09:11] <starz> tinyirc
[09:12] <starz> kay let me look at man thanx
[09:12] <starz> anyway how goes you weekend? :)
[09:12] <Hobbsee> starz: bleh.  http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/22288123.html
[09:12] <Hobbsee> starz: having to work at $current employer is painful
[09:13] <starz> gah
[09:13] <starz> btw
[09:14] <starz> i'm perfectly capable of paying while on cell
[09:14] <starz> [its called cash in hand :P] 
[09:14] <Hobbsee> huh?
[09:14] <Hobbsee> oh
[09:14] <starz> :P smoke brb
[09:14] <Hobbsee> not when you're requesting cigarettes or phone credit
[09:14] <Hobbsee> because you actually have to stop your conversation, ask me what you want, and then go back to your conversation
[09:22] <starz> ah
[09:22] <starz> fair enough
[09:26] <starz> aahh
[09:26] <starz> so --get-selections to write currently in to that stdin and --set-selections to confirm thats what i want or so
[09:27] <starz> tho seems that the second one when pushed in from here is taking forever lol
[09:30] <starz> well let's hope it doesnt kill the partitions here we go :>
[09:31] <starz> !info tinyirc
[09:31] <ubotu> tinyirc: a tiny IRC client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1.dfsg.1-1 (gutsy), package size 26 kB, installed size 116 kB
[09:31] <starz> hehe
[09:31] <starz> uh oh
[09:36] <Hobbsee> heh, nice
[09:37] <starz> yeah tinyirc is useable - for emergencies anyway which is all i would want it to be for in the instance im talking about... well lets try the hdd install again :P
[09:38] <starz> ,,
[09:38] <starz> mm***.
[09:38] <starz> its hanging on step five after scanning hdd partition types when i tell it manual partitioning....
[09:43] <starz> !alternate
[09:43] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[09:44] <starz> !minimal
[09:44] <ubotu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[09:45] <Hobbsee> starz: oh, so you got to that
[09:45] <Hobbsee> starz: kill the installer, run ps aux | grep ubiq and kill any of those processes
[09:45] <Hobbsee> starz: then run "sudo ubiquity" from a console
[09:45] <Hobbsee> then it will work
[09:45] <Hobbsee> starz: (known bug, listed on the release annoucement)
[09:46] <starz> ah i missed it :P
[09:46] <starz> ooo i like this: i get logging output in the terminal ^_^
[09:48] <starz> hm the other thing ive been wondering about is if there's a way to get ubuntu to quit using udev - with multiple installs the id's of various partitions tend to change - i'm always playing with something new and while ive been manually rewriting the /etc/fstab to reflect fs type and partition just curious
[09:48] <starz> woo hoo! looks like we are in business!
[09:51] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:51] <starz> :)
[09:51] <starz> kekeke
[09:51] <starz> i cant wait to break it :D
[09:38] <DanaG> Argh, the boxfit xscreensaver locks up Xorg.
[09:40] <mon^rch> how is stability for gutsy?
[09:43] <Jordan_U> mon^rch, The only crashes I have had were from running openGL apps ( gnash ), but that is in VMware with no 3D acceleration
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> VMware is quite a well tested environment though - real hardware may have issues (depending on how obscure it is)
[10:30] <pvandewyngaerde> in my bootchart i see a sleep command after dhclient that slows down boot by 3 seconds after, can i disable that ?
[10:31] <coNP> pvandewyngaerde: do you use dhcp networking?
[10:31] <pvandewyngaerde> http://pietervandewyngaerde.googlepages.com/gutsy-20070701-2.png
[10:31] <h3sp4wn> pvandewyngaerde: edit the script
[10:33] <pvandewyngaerde> ok, i set my unused eth not to dhcp anymore
[10:34] <pvandewyngaerde> i guess that was the prob
[10:35] <pvandewyngaerde> disabling readahead will not improve it i guess
[10:36] <pvandewyngaerde> allthough it takes up 5 seconds
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> just change the boot line to be init=/bin/dash (speed up boot massively) - Is there much point (with a development version where any changes you will have to reapply to any updates you get)
[10:38] <pvandewyngaerde> i'm just playing and learning
[10:41] <pvandewyngaerde> doens't that only bring up a shell ?
[10:43] <kougaro> hello
[10:43] <pvandewyngaerde> hello
[10:43] <kougaro> i have a bug with blender, it crashes everytime, do anyone have problems with it?
[10:44] <h3sp4wn> pvandewyngaerde: Yeah it does - fast though
[10:44] <gnomefreak> kougaro: file a bug :)
[10:44] <kougaro> i get this error msg : Ignoring Xlib error: error code 171 request code 147
[10:45] <kougaro> then core dumped
[10:45] <kougaro> sure, i just wanted to know if there was someworkaround i didn't know of :-)
[10:45] <pvandewyngaerde> h3sp4wn: i prefer full boot to gui
[10:46] <gnomefreak> kougaro: not much that error tells us file bug add the full error and if on gutsy you should have gotten a pop up saying want to send this to developers
[10:46] <kougaro> ok, btw i did not get any pop up.
[10:46] <h3sp4wn> pvandewyngaerde: I don't just boot a shell but if I want X I just use startx
[10:46] <gnomefreak> that popup is very very important to let send the info now
[10:47] <gnomefreak> kougaro: if core dumped you should have if on gutsy as apport has been turned on
[10:47] <kougaro> i will fill a bug report the normal way :-)
[10:47] <gnomefreak> kougaro: attach /var/crash/_usr_.... file
[10:47] <kougaro> gnomefreak : ok, thank you
[10:47] <h3sp4wn> gnomefreak: What has happened/happening about smart-pm
[10:48] <gnomefreak> smartpm works last i heard
[10:48] <h3sp4wn> gnomefreak: Was it not supposed to be the default package manager by now
[10:48] <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: you have to give me more, i can find out anything but i have hands full thanks to everyone wanting new packages in gutsy
[10:48] <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: no
[10:49] <gnomefreak> its not built up enough to take over for apt
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> I am sure I read somewhere of canocial employing someone to work on it
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> ages ago
[10:49] <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: you did
[10:50] <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: i will ask when this will happen but it wont happen for gutsy
[10:52] <gnomefreak> the developer of apt/smartpm/among others our schedules conflict something awfull now but i should see him in morning since i have sunbird issues i should be here
[11:01] <eagles0513875> gnome u a core developer
[11:02] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: no
[11:03] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:03] <gnomefreak> motu
[11:03] <eagles0513875> kool
[11:05] <jriachi> hello
[11:05] <gnomefreak> hi
[11:08] <jriachi> any idea about how to fix/workarround the  gutsy libc6  g_thread_init()  bug?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> jriachi: its a warning ignore it
[11:09] <gnomefreak> jriachi: it will get fixed before release
[11:10] <gnomefreak> how do you make an app call g_thread before calling glib if it never uses g_thread or any other glib threads
[11:11] <jriachi> a lot of applications are failing :S
[11:12] <jriachi> (not important, since it is not my main machine.,, but somehow irritating.. )
[11:13] <gnomefreak> jriachi: failing or giving the warning
[11:14] <gnomefreak> jriachi: the warning is not causing crashing
[11:14] <DanaG> Odd: I haven't gotten any apport crash-report notifications.
[11:14] <gnomefreak> they are separate issues
[11:14] <jriachi> gnomefreak: i know the warning is not causing the crash... but e.g amule fails to open the preferences dialog crashing instead
[11:15] <gnomefreak> jriachi: right but that is not related the crash is being caused by something else. if the warning wasnt there it would still crash.
[11:15] <jriachi> vlc crashes..
[11:15] <gnomefreak> jriachi: hint warning has always been there but the older glibs hid it from users
[11:15] <gnomefreak> jriachi: not any more
[11:15] <gnomefreak> jriachi: its been fixed or i forgot to upload it
[11:16] <jriachi> gnomefreak: the amule bug or the vlc bug?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> vlc should be fixed
[11:16] <jriachi> (good movement, not hidding the warning, imho)
[11:16] <gnomefreak> bad
[11:16] <jriachi> gnomefreak: i am using the .es. mirror, maybe it is not sync yet
[11:17] <gnomefreak> never good to hide thengs from people that is how we ended up where we are
[11:17] <gnomefreak> jriachi: this was 3 weeks ago
[11:17] <gnomefreak> matter of fact that was the app i used to test this glib warning to see if it was glib or if it was app
[11:18] <jriachi> vlc 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu1, here
[11:18] <jriachi> gnomefreak: and was the app..
[11:19] <jriachi> is that the version i should have?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> it was a lib failing libvlc i think but its been so long ago, im looking to see if maybe i uploaded it to my repo
[11:19] <gnomefreak> 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu1
[11:37] <gnomefreak> jriachi: mine isnt crashing at all
[11:37] <gnomefreak> jriachi: it used to, asac remembers the 2 days i spent on that chasing my tail
[11:37] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:37] <gnomefreak> jriachi: but yes the crash that was happening was not related to glib warning and was fixed
[11:37] <gnomefreak> if its crashing now you need to file bug report and attach crash log to it
[11:37] <jriachi> http://rafb.net/p/3MJLcu62.html , gnomefreak
[11:37] <gnomefreak> jriachi: that is the crash that was fixed
[11:37] <gnomefreak> :(
[11:37] <gnomefreak> file a bug with that on it
[11:37] <jriachi> ok, i will :)
[11:37] <gnomefreak> jriachi: run command like this
[11:37] <gnomefreak> G_SLICE=always-malloc vlc
[11:37] <gnomefreak> let me know if it opens and stays open
[11:37] <jriachi> opens and stays open
[11:37] <gnomefreak> jriachi: good
[11:37] <gnomefreak> jriachi: file a bug
[11:38] <jriachi> and plays a .mp4 i had in a nfs folder :)
[11:38] <gnomefreak> jriachi: apt-cache policy glibc
[11:39] <gnomefreak> g=for get that
[11:39] <gnomefreak> apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0
[11:39] <gnomefreak> what version is installed?
[11:39] <jriachi> [11:39] <jriachi> $ vlc --version
[11:39] <jriachi> VLC media player 0.8.6c Janus
[11:41] <jriachi> sorry :(
[11:42] <gnomefreak> what does apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0 show as installed version
[11:42] <jriachi> i pasted the selection instead of the clipboard
[11:42] <jriachi> Installed: 2.13.5-0ubuntu3
[11:42] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[11:43] <gnomefreak> jriachi: ok some where there is a regression than because the version of glib and the version of vlc are correct, please try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:44] <gnomefreak> let me know if it updates anything other than gcc g++ and 2 or 3 others
[11:45] <jriachi> (deleted source es.archive, now trying with us.archive, just in case :) )
[11:45] <gnomefreak> we had a few tool chain updates this weekend that wouldnt affect vlc thats why i said that
[11:45] <gnomefreak> jriachi: use gb
[11:45] <gnomefreak> us is a failure of an archive
[11:45] <gnomefreak> its down more than it needs to be
[11:45] <DanaG> Put kernel.org above the official mirror, and it will be preferred if it is up to date.
[11:46] <DanaG> Kernel.org sits on an insanely large pipe.
[11:46] <jriachi> with us.  --> 162 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. (mmm... es.archive is out of sync)
[11:46] <gnomefreak> jriachi: yep
[11:46] <gnomefreak> thought so
[11:47] <gnomefreak> theres a lib or 3 that you havent fully updated since it was fixed
[11:47] <DanaG> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/
[11:47] <jriachi> gnomefreak: btw, the amule is also fixed by the always-malloc