[12:54] yeah ... this g_thread_init thing is unreasonable [12:55] mozilla doesn't use g_thread library at all [12:55] mozillais probably willing to patch it if we come up with a patch :) [12:56] gnomefreak: there is no upstream report for it because we are using bleeding edge glib ... which noone else does [01:04] btw, does pressing F11 in gnome terminal bring it to full screen for you? [01:04] it always did ... but now i returned home and it doesn't work anymore [01:05] something really wierd is going on here [01:05] gaim has disappeared from menu as well [01:05] i mean before i left it always booted up on X startup ... together with gajim [01:05] now gaim isn't in menu anymore [01:06] system -> about ubuntu disappeared as well [01:06] i just have about gnome [01:07] gaim is really uninstalled :/ [01:07] hmmm maybe it happened when i tried to install out firefox package here in feisty [01:07] hmm [01:07] maybe time to upgrade to gutsy ;) [01:09] FUCKED: asac's main desktop [01:15] yes F11 gives me full screen and than back to normal [01:16] asac: gaim? pideon? [01:17] ah your still on feisty yes gaim would have been uninstalled about ubuntu should not have been touched [01:18] if it was touched than there is an issue (btw i pulled firefox out of repos well atleast source and 32bit. i will check 64 in a minute [01:20] nope its not in 64 binary [01:20] all was broken [01:20] i had to install ubuntu-desktop [01:20] and reboot [01:20] hmm thats odd [01:20] now things are as usual [01:20] yeah [01:21] when i installed ubuntu-desktop network-manager came up [01:21] and tear down my desktop network [01:21] i couldn't even reboot [01:21] ouch [01:21] hat to hard reset [01:21] wth === asac still wonders where the keybindings had gone [01:21] now i can just press f11 to get terminal to fullscreen [01:21] e.g. for irssi and mutt [01:22] keybindings are with -desktop no? [01:22] i couldn't even open a new terminal tab with ctrl-T [01:22] well would have to be a different package [01:22] aeh ctrl-shift-t that is [01:22] what the keybinding for gnome-termainL? [01:23] never had that problem before ... anyway ... troubles are gone ;) [01:23] yes they should be in g-term settings i thought [01:23] maybe gconf was down or something [01:23] no idea [01:23] that is possible [01:24] we just had some tool-chain updates but that shouldnt have affected it or you if your on feisty [01:24] hope there was no tool-chain update in feisty ;) [01:24] :) [01:25] k ... tomorrow i will start to code mobile-browser of future [01:25] :) [01:26] mozilla doesnt use g_thread? [01:26] no they don't [01:26] ummmmm [01:26] they have their own threading system [01:26] that might explain why we have errors it should call that first and its not calling it :)\ [01:26] why should i link against a new library? [01:27] i mean ... ok if i use glib thread features then fine [01:27] but we don't use them [01:27] we dont use glib at all? [01:27] well the theads [01:27] we use glib ... but not gthread [01:27] oh ok [01:27] which is a different library [01:27] we cant patch something we dont use [01:27] that would mean using it or "hiding" things [01:28] asac@hector:~$ pkg-config --list-all | egrep 'gthread|glib' [01:28] example: one patch can be "dont show glib warning" [01:28] glib-2.0 GLib - C Utility Library [01:28] gthread-2.0 GThread - Thread support for GLib [01:29] gnomefreak: the warning doesn't harm [01:29] as long as we don't see crashes because of that [01:29] and afaik we don't see them [01:29] asac: no but it causing extra bugs that we shouldnt have [01:29] i don't see that [01:29] i would refer those extra bugs to the general instability of glib development trunk [01:30] ... which we use [01:30] atm [01:30] i saw atleast one so far. when more people use it more will file [01:30] bugs posted != bugs exist [01:30] you must not have read same bug report on glib as me [01:30] the fact that people post a bug because of that warning shouldn't bother us [01:31] yeah ... other applications are definitly hit [01:31] e.g. those that use gthread ;) [01:31] i can mark as a dupe but almost 100% sure it will be removed as dupe [01:31] please get concrete ... which bugs? [01:31] bug 121277 [01:31] Launchpad bug 121277 in firefox "gusty firefox memory corruption warning" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121277 [01:31] gnomefreak: atm most important bug in glib is that memory management is broken [01:32] bug 50722 [01:32] Launchpad bug 50722 in glibc "Memory problems on pthread_cancel()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50722 [01:32] oh wait no [01:32] bug 116870 [01:32] Launchpad bug 116870 in glib2.0 "[gutsy] GSlice: g_thread_init() Warning messages" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116870 [01:32] sorry [01:32] yes ... exactly ... that bug looks related to broken memory management ... not gthread [01:33] 50722 was a mistake [01:33] same for that one [01:33] 116870 is the one i would dupe 121277 [01:33] people that post the bug always think that its the warning that is the reason for that [01:33] in fact its broken memory managment ... aka gslice [01:33] which is not really related imo [01:33] but it looks as if they are reporting due to warning [01:34] warning == same [01:34] * Installing 1 assembly from libndesk-dbus1.0-cil into Mono im not real sure about [01:34] warnings shouldnt install things [01:34] hmm [01:34] yeah [01:34] its all glib fault [01:35] should be non of our business [01:35] our packages throw same errors - installing part of it [01:36] its not an error but a warning after all :) [01:36] i agree 100% we should ignore them but once gutsy gets to where more people test more warning bugs will arise adn that is what i want to stop before it happens [01:37] ah ok [01:37] we can auto-reject those ;) [01:37] on what grounds? [01:37] hjmf_ can probably implement that easily [01:37] we dont use gthread [01:37] yes [01:37] lol [01:37] oh they are gonna love that. [01:37] :) [01:37] screw it lets do it ;) [01:38] we can redirect stderr to /dev/null in firefox start script :) [01:38] that will hide the warnings [01:38] yeah ... it will eat everything ;) [01:38] true [01:38] lets wait a bit more [01:39] i hope that new glib version will bring more stability as new memory managment matures [01:39] we can review in 2-3 weeks [01:39] they already stated this wont be fixed on thier end (it is a new glib already [01:39] the warning? [01:40] yes [01:40] or the memory management bugs? [01:40] warning i know of for sure [01:40] they will fix the memory management issues ... for sure [01:40] btw small font isnt our issue either [01:41] saw a bug on it it was one of gnome libs or gconf that causes it [01:41] in my gutsy install i have really huge fonts ... but afaik its install dependent [01:41] i have extreamly small ones [01:41] yes its dpi detection that is broken [01:41] yeah [01:41] maybe i saw that in -devel [01:41] you should be able to fix manually if you cannot work anymore [01:41] anyway i saw it [01:41] ... e.g. aask on -desktop [01:42] but afaik the dpi bug has high prio atm [01:42] so a fix should land soon [01:42] yep [01:42] we went to differnent dpi um maybe 75 iirc [01:42] so you say that the ugly fonts in tbird that you saw are related to that? [01:42] asac: yes i think so [01:42] good [01:42] thats perfect ;) [01:42] once fixed ill tell you :) [01:43] just tell me if it isn'*t fixed in tribe-3 [01:43] as well :) [01:43] ill let you know ;) no worries [01:43] otherwise i won't see because for me all looks readable in gutsy [01:44] monday and on im gonna concern myself with sunbird for most of it until fixed and we can upload [01:45] than i have to worry if we should reject backporting it (i think we should) as we can use preview to host feisty backports [01:45] in genreal i would say that we (mt) don't do any backports [01:45] other than mt preview archive === asac doesn't know anything about how backports work [01:46] i agree and im agreeing on the basis that we depend on way too many libs and stuff to backport [01:46] but i think its more like a volunteer efford [01:46] asac: ping jdong :) its always worked for me in past [01:47] but i ping him and say i have it built lets go for it [01:47] gnomefreak: yeah ... so redirect people requesting backports to him [01:47] if he wants to do it ... so be it [01:47] if he needs help he can always ask ;) [01:47] theres a process to go through === gnomefreak gets to skip it [01:47] only thing we might wanna do is backport 2.0 for dapper [01:48] so we can test how upgrade would break system [01:48] either way if backported we get the brunt of the crap anyway [01:48] hehe [01:48] right [01:48] person builds it and forgets it [01:48] all my packages are all over LP [01:49] for me backport should be something like in debian [01:49] ... there i don't have to care for it as well === DarkMageZ [n=richard@238.101.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [01:49] backports are not supported afaik [01:49] right [01:49] e.g. like universe [01:49] the packages are well you got em you worry about them [01:49] which is why someone else should take care [01:50] IMNO the what 5-6 people that work on our team have enough crap to deal with [01:50] right ... and adding more procedures to just get backports is not what we want [01:50] we can use preview archive for that [01:50] correct [01:50] i like that better anyway [01:51] there we need no procedures ... and its obvious that its completely unsupported [01:51] ... e.g. provided outside ubuntu [01:51] atleast we know and tested what goes in preview [01:51] only tradeoff is that we don't have buildds === gnomefreak can spin anything you need on i386 i dont need buildds [01:51] especially for architectures that noone has :) [01:51] ok point taken [01:52] maybe we should ask how the ppa thing works [01:52] that should give us buildds ;) [01:52] i was hoping in our post to forums someone would have said hey you need someone to build on ppc [01:52] yeah right [01:53] we need to be official at that point [01:53] yes ... but in general, there are not many ppc people out there at all [01:53] true [01:53] less sparc i would think [01:53] but either way we have 386 and 64 [01:53] screw the rest [01:54] maybe one day ill get a sparc or ppc (been wanting ppc for a long time) [01:55] ppc is dying [01:55] just looking at ebay [01:55] yep they went to intel [01:55] powerbooks are still ridiculous expensive [01:55] yes they are [01:55] 2000 USD + [01:56] for new not sure about used [01:56] well new g4's were around that [01:56] Apple Powerbook 15" G4 1,67 GHz 1,5GB 80GB NEU [01:56] -> $1k [01:56] NEU -> NEW [01:57] my aunt has a g3 desktop if they ever get rid of it i will get it [01:57] but 20hours to go [01:57] way too much [01:57] oh damn ... g3 is really slow [01:57] like 400 mhz ;) [01:57] true [01:57] it will build just very slowly [01:57] :) [01:58] i wanted a ppc cause i never got the hang of OSX [01:58] wanted something to play with than install ubuntu on it ;) [01:59] but as of feisty our ppc ISO's are in ports [01:59] Apple PowerBook G4 12" [01:59] that might be interesting [01:59] 12" [01:59] 1,5 GHz PowerPC G4 [01:59] thats a bit small [01:59] 1.5 is nice [01:59] actually i consider to get a new notebook with 12'' [02:00] why so small? [02:00] because battery will last much longer [02:00] (at least i hope so) [02:00] ah [02:00] not on a mac [02:00] i want something that i can use for 8 hours or so [02:00] yeah ... looked at dell [02:00] the one i was looking for was 1350 EUR [02:00] so about $1800 ? [02:00] about that [02:00] no idea what exchange rate is [02:00] maybe a bit more [02:00] atm [02:01] ... pretty expensive though [02:01] but it has duo core [02:01] yes very [02:01] and 2gb memorey [02:01] and extended battery [02:01] unfortunately win XP [02:01] without option top drop that crap [02:02] gnomefreak: have you looked if the dell us systems with ubuntu come with discount vs. windows install? [02:02] 100 USD give or take [02:02] discount? [02:02] cool [02:02] 1 350 Euros = 1 818.855 U.S. dollars [02:02] thats great [02:03] i cannot get something like that over here [02:03] e.g. without windows :/ [02:03] they are about $400 USD for the laptop with ubuntu === gnomefreak has already seen installing issues on those [02:03] it was the same model but with windows installed trying to install ubuntu [02:04] so no discount? [02:04] e1505 i think is the model with ubuntu 1505 is windows [02:04] 100 dollars differnece from win to ubuntu [02:04] but win installed in the beginning? [02:04] or do you mean if you want to install ubuntu on your own [02:04] there are install issues? [02:05] yes [02:05] e.g. on original windows system [02:05] ah ok [02:05] right [02:05] now dell offeres a 13,3'' notebook [02:05] e1505 === gnomefreak waits [02:06] 20:04 Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu: not well-formed (invalid token): line 321, column 84 [02:06] hmmm there was an advertisement on their site [02:06] but i cannot find the produkt :(/ [02:07] OS: "Original Windows Vista Home Premium (32 Bit) - Deutsch" [02:07] argh [02:07] i hate german things (deutsch) [02:07] and i hate vista [02:07] i cannot even get a laptop with US keyboard layout here [02:07] its just depressing [02:08] i will sue germany for not getting a good keyboard layout that doesn't break my wrists [02:08] ... for programmers [02:08] asac: order one from US :) [02:09] i can't [02:09] dell doesn't allow me to get to their us site [02:09] the world is just too ignorant for me [02:09] ah [02:12] yeah ... i even get "Microsoft Works 8.5 - Deutsch" [02:12] :) [02:13] most sucky thing in the world [02:13] 8.5 [02:13] i think we have only 8.0 or 9.0 or 7.0 [02:13] i dont think we have .5 [02:13] and of course : "Interne leichte Tastatur - Deutsch (QWERTZ)" [02:13] "internal light keyboard - german" [02:13] sweet [02:13] i want one [02:14] note that its "internal" :-P [02:14] i know :) [02:14] most noteworthy [02:14] but hey they get a clue: "Ohne Modem" - "without modem" :) [02:14] wow [02:15] and they find it sad that i didn't select a "biometrisches Fingerabdruck-Lesegert" - "biometrical fingerprint reader" [02:15] how unfortunate [02:15] :) [02:15] you do know its 2am in germany (where you are) [02:15] sure [02:15] i slept till 1200 :) [02:15] if you shop dont blame me when GF asks wtf you were shopping for [02:16] hehe [02:16] ;) [02:16] i won't shop === gnomefreak needs a new pc one of these days [02:16] i don't give people my money that are doing monkey business [02:17] fortunately you can buy parts ... and its not much more expensive than a ready to use pc [02:17] for laptops you cannot do taht [02:17] for this desktop i cant buy memory for it [02:18] i mean ... getting a board with a integrated intel video chip + memory + hd + prozessor -> done [02:18] way way too much for pc800 [02:18] yeah i know [02:18] thats an idea if i knew how to put a MB in (but i can learn) [02:18] its really simple [02:19] if you don't mind to loose your current system you probably don't need a case [02:19] bios better be installed than [02:19] ASUS P5B-VM G965 [02:19] is a good board ... which i plan to buy for my gf [02:19] asus + ubuntu == bad i hear [02:20] it has a recent intel graphics chip ... which can play 3d-games :) [02:20] hmm [02:20] model i dont know [02:20] intels are getting good [02:20] Intel GMA X3000, Intel Clear Video Technology [02:20] thats the video chip i am looking for [02:20] X3100 exists as well [02:21] that has got to be nice since most of the are ~955 [02:21] haven't found much desktop MB that have those new intel chips so far [02:21] yeah ... i think X3xxx is a real step forward ... and has pretty great linux support === gnomefreak finds MB with nvidia chips [02:21] and MB is pretty cheap [02:21] and im scared of new 6600 > 7300 [02:22] they also dont like to run in ubuntu [02:22] if you want to get a board with on-board graphics use intel please [02:22] or was it 6800 [02:22] don't give money to people that are ignorant [02:22] and don't open specs [02:22] intel has free drivers dont they [02:22] i think intel specs are not completely open either... but at leasat parts of it [02:22] they have merged them to kernel tree [02:23] e.g. so yes ... they are really free [02:23] oh sweet [02:23] thats an idea than [02:23] which is why i won't go for on-board ati/nvidia [02:23] nvidia has done me well for being less than 50.00 USD [02:23] for the card ... or whole mb? [02:24] card [02:24] ah ok [02:24] i think the board above is about 60 EUR [02:24] you can get one with older intel graphics for 40 [02:24] yeah its above 100 easy here [02:24] hmm wierd .. i wouldn't expect the prices to really follow exchange rate === gnomefreak hates to have to buy a P4 + mem + MB though [02:25] yeah ... but say you have 100 MB + 100 CPU + 150 MEM + 100 HD :) ... pretty cheap ;) [02:25] P4 == 300+ [02:25] P4? [02:25] pentium 4 [02:25] P4 doesn't exist anymore [02:25] her [02:25] e [02:25] i have one [02:25] what is it now celeron? [02:26] or duo core [02:26] AMD Athlon64 X2 3800+ EE [02:26] Windsor 2x2.0GHz TRAY [02:26] thats for 70 EUR [02:26] thats not bad [02:26] though you need a fan for that ... but boxed is probably 5-10 EUR more [02:26] than a board to put it on [02:26] Intel Celeron D331 2.66GHz BOX 256KB [02:26] thats 30 EUR [02:27] Intel Celeron D346 3.06GHz BOX 256KB [02:27] thats 47 [02:27] thats about 100 here i think [02:27] Intel Core2 Duo E4300 2x1.8GHz TRAY 2MB [02:27] maybe 70 [02:27] thats 100 EUR [02:27] core2 is pretty expensive [02:27] don't know if its really worth it [02:27] imo amd x2 are better in price [02:28] maybe this one i interesting: [02:28] Intel Pentium D805 2x2.66GHz BOX 2MB Dual Core [02:28] 85 EUR [02:28] 100EUR == 134.73 [02:28] thats it [02:28] yes [02:28] atm :) [02:28]