[12:43] <eagle-101> can someone please tell me I'm nuts and that KDE does not use 700MB?
[12:43] <eagle-101> 700MB ram that is
[12:50] <slow-motion> n8
[12:59] <Jester45> hiya  vidd
[12:59] <Jester45> eagle-101, it will depending on what you have running its recommended rem is 512MB but will run on less
[01:00] <eagle-101> Jester45, mmm I had nothing running, but it looks like it was buffer stuff
[01:02] <eagle-101> I was kinda shocked though O.o
[01:02] <Jester45> eagle-101, im using 800mb and im on xfce, xfce isnt using it all but im still using it
[01:02] <eagle-101> Jester45, yeah I know
[01:02] <eagle-101> I thought at the KDE startup, it was using  700MB and I was freaking out :P
[01:03] <eagle-101> generally thats firefox's role :)
[01:14] <Jester45> i agree
[01:15] <Jester45> i think the kernel leaves everything in the ram untill it needs the rooms then it will wrightover the most unused
[01:15] <Jester45> so that if something is used then closed then open its all ready buffers
[01:15] <Jester45> but i might be wrong
[01:16] <eagle-101> Jester that looks like how kde is set up
[01:16] <eagle-101> to read that to me, on xfce it does not, though I could be wrong and it is only showing me what is actually in use
[01:17] <eagle-101> though I find it interesting that I can pick whatever windowmanager I please :0
[01:18] <eagle-101> in that regards, ubuntu has windows beat badly
[01:18] <Jester45> there would be no difference, thats all kernel stuff
[01:19] <eagle-101> Jester45, yeah that is what I'm thinking :)
[01:19] <eagle-101> looks like xfce only shows the amount of ram that is being actively used
[01:19] <Jester45> yea each new version to me makes ubuntu more windows like (for a less impact from converts) and xubuntu gets heavier and kde just bloats more
[01:20] <eagle-101> oh heck synaptic works in kde
[01:20] <Jester45> eagle-101, run top and they will be the same
[01:20] <eagle-101> Jester45, heh that I see as well, but it does allow ubuntu to compete with windows
[01:20] <Jester45> kde just shows a diffrent way, like used and xfce shows active or something
[01:20] <eagle-101> I have gentoo on my other partition, and to be honest, I would not give that distro to my grandma :)
[01:21] <eagle-101> though I wish xfce would quit getting larger :(
[01:22] <Jester45> i hate manager
[01:22] <Jester45> s
[01:22] <eagle-101> Jester45, mmm window managers? or synaptic?
[01:22] <Jester45> and i love option
[01:22] <eagle-101> oh my favorite package manager is definatly portage
[01:22] <Jester45> managers for settings or other things wm are good and i dislike synaptic
[01:23] <eagle-101> oh ;0
[01:23] <Jester45> apt for me
[01:23] <eagle-101> ah :)
[01:23] <Jester45> no rpm :)
[01:23] <eagle-101> heh :)
[01:23] <Jester45> most commonly built one but its so stupid
[01:23] <eagle-101> portage is the best I've ever used
[01:24] <Jester45> it takes to long to update the list, umm idk what the comamnd it but its like apt's apt-get update
[01:25] <eagle-101> Jester45, heh, its not so bad though you are right that part takes longer (but I have it on a crontab ;) )
[01:26] <eagle-101> Ok, I'm off to try flux box, kde is not my thing :)
[01:26] <Jester45> :)
[01:26] <Jester45> does fluxbox work with compiz?
[01:26] <eagle-101> though it is pretty!
[01:27] <eagle-101> Jester45, not sure
[01:27] <eagle-101> anyway back in about 60 seconds :)
[01:35] <tidrio1> any good wysiwyg editors for Ubuntu, also looking for a good CSS editor (mainly one with a color selector
[01:35] <eagle-101> :S I tried flux box... can't even figure out how to run a program :P
[01:36] <Jester45> right click on the desktop
[01:36] <eagle-101> tidrio1, there is one but I can't recall the name
[01:36] <Jester45> !wysiwyg
[01:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wysiwyg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:36] <eagle-101> Jester45, I did :)
[01:36] <Jester45> arrg
[01:36] <tidrio1> What you see is what you get Html editor
[01:37] <Jester45> yea i know what it was
[01:37] <Jester45> i was hoping it would give a list
[01:37] <Jester45> nvu
[01:37] <Jester45> bluefish
[01:37] <eagle-101> nvu is the one I was thinking of
[01:37] <Jester45> or... you can do my favorite is mousepad/nano
[01:37] <eagle-101> best is to just do the html :)
[01:37] <Jester45> agreed
[01:37] <Jester45> you learn more
[01:37] <eagle-101> Jester45, no! vi! /me starts editor war
[01:38] <eagle-101> :P
[01:38] <Jester45> and can fix problems  faster
[01:38] <Jester45> notepad ftw
[01:38] <eagle-101> exactly, because you know what the code does, rather then just trying to find "the right feature"
[01:38] <eagle-101> (yes I tried nyu, it has high ratings, but its just not for me)
[01:39] <Jester45> or, how you can put 2 featers to do somthing rather than using a html code for it
[01:40] <Jester45> and you can make copies of the pages and edit content lots easier
[01:40] <eagle-101>  or put php in it
[01:40] <eagle-101> and generate the content from a backend database ;)
[01:42] <eagle-101> Jester45, http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/277/true-transparent-eye-candy-on-fluxbox/
[01:42] <eagle-101>  yeah you can put compiz on fluxbox
[01:43] <tidrio1> lol, guys..
[01:43] <eagle-101> tidrio1, ?
[01:43] <tidrio1> I know HTML it is an efficiency thing
[01:43] <eagle-101> tidrio1, and :)
[01:44] <tidrio1> I can click add table faster than type, <table><tr><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td></tr></table>
[01:44] <tidrio1> not that I like tables lol
[01:46] <Jester45> tidrio1, so... your staying you can open a editer load the file edit/add the table then save it all in the same time as the webserver looking up in a sql database and automatically change the file
[01:46] <Jester45> im guessing the time that takes is ooo under 2 secnods
[01:46] <Jester45> i would like you see you even find the file that fast
[01:48] <tidrio1> lmfao
[01:48] <tidrio1> wow, I thought I hated WYSIWYG
[01:49] <tidrio1> aight guys fine. I won't use one lol
[01:49] <tidrio1> http://jimschwartzdev.com/sts/web/backend_dev.php/run/index/id/1
[01:49] <tidrio1> if anyone cares to see what I'm working on
[01:50] <tidrio1> try it out it is a scratch DB
[02:28] <BFTD> is there a torrent plugin for FF2/
[02:28] <BFTD> ?
[02:28] <TaJMoX> probably
[02:28] <TaJMoX> bftd : https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=torrent&status=4
[02:30] <TaJMoX> search for foxtorrent
[02:31] <Jester45> BFTD, still on dialup? have fun on the torrents make sure you limiy your uplado
[02:31] <Jester45> limit your upload*
[02:31] <TaJMoX> http://www.foxtorrent.com/
[02:31] <BFTD> Jester45 I'm camping
[02:31] <TaJMoX> ima try it
[02:31] <Jester45> BFTD, o
[02:31] <Jester45> still
[02:32] <Jester45> limit the upload or your only going to get like 1kb/s
[02:34] <BFTD> how do I limit it?
[02:34] <Jester45> depends on the client
[02:35] <Jester45> man
[02:35] <Jester45> my internet is diying
[02:35] <Jester45> and my typing is dead :)
[02:36] <Jester45> dieing*
[02:36] <BFTD> I'm getting 0 download and upload
[02:36] <Jester45> yea
[02:37] <Jester45> torrents take a bit to start
[02:37] <Jester45> because you have to connect to all the peers
[02:37] <BFTD> oh
[02:37] <BFTD> how long should I wait?
[02:37] <Jester45> did you get a torrents with seeds?
[02:37] <BFTD> yes
[02:38] <BFTD> 7
[02:38] <BFTD> or peers is it?
[02:38] <Jester45> you need seeds
[02:38] <BFTD> I saw that it had seeds
[02:38] <BFTD> but its now says that there is no peers
[02:38] <Jester45> seeds have 100% of the file come clients call seeds peers also peers are normaly other downloaders
[02:39] <BFTD> now it says 2
[02:39] <Jester45> is there 2 numbers like 2 (7)
[02:43] <jtg23> so the other day i'm here getting help on how to reconfig x; i get back to the computer in question, reboot it and it worked again
[02:43] <BFTD> HAHA
[02:43] <jtg23> it stopped giving the "no screens found" error
[02:43] <jtg23> and so it goes using bottom basement hardware :-/
[02:43] <BFTD> I'm downloading ubuntu server edition at 600KB/s  !!!
[02:43] <jtg23> torrent?
[02:44] <Jester45> BFTD, i thought you had dialup
[02:44] <jtg23> what's dialup?
[02:44] <BFTD> Jester45 I'm camping
[02:45] <Jester45> jtg23, a type of internet connection 56kbps down and ~20kbps up
[02:45] <Jester45> BFTD, im confused
[02:45] <BFTD> Jester45 wi-fi
[02:45] <jtg23> BFTD: evdo?
[02:45] <jtg23> oh
[02:45] <Jester45> BFTD, hehe you must like the speed
[02:46] <Jester45> it is at your house? (using neighbor's? ) or somewhere else
[02:46] <BFTD> Jester45 hell ya!!
[02:46] <BFTD> !language | BFTD
[02:47] <Jester45> BFTD, hehe im sshed into vidd's colocated server download a mirror of the *buntu isos at ~1200KB/s and im on my connection downloading lost season 2 at ~400kb/s and sshed into vidd's home server downloading a backup off the colocated at ~600Kb/s
[02:48] <Jester45> :)
[02:48] <BFTD> yeah
[02:48] <Jester45> but thats a great speed up for you
[02:48] <Jester45> im such a bandwidth hog
[02:49] <BFTD> what type of connection do you have?
[02:49] <BFTD> at my dad's office they have 2600 kbps
[02:49] <Jester45> when ever a movie finishes downloading its auto ftped into my file server and the server converts to dvd and makes an iso
[02:49] <BFTD> and no one knows what it is
[02:49] <BFTD> I think its DSL
[02:49] <BFTD> but it might be T1
[02:49] <Jester45> whats the upload
[02:50] <BFTD> 700 kbps
[02:50] <Jester45> probly DSL
[02:51] <BFTD> 1700*
[02:51] <BFTD> sorry
[02:51] <Jester45> T1 is normally symmetric meaning same up and down and cable has low upload speed compared to its download
[02:51] <BFTD> eating chips and enjoying the speed
[02:51] <Jester45> BFTD, start downloading somthing else to see if you can get more than that :) you might not be maxing out
[02:52] <BFTD> Jester45 eh?
[02:52] <BFTD> like another torrent?
[02:52] <Jester45> BFTD, or a download from the web. to see how fast you can go
[02:52] <BFTD>  itook a speed test
[02:53] <BFTD> it said 700 Kbps
[02:53] <Jester45> o
[02:53] <BFTD> HAHA
[02:53] <BFTD> I just thought up a joke
[02:53] <BFTD> "Jonny, how fast do you run?"
[02:54] <BFTD> "Oh about 3 Mbps"
[02:54] <TaJMoX> if your upload is 1700kbs then it's definately not DSL
[02:54] <Jester45> thats a nerdy joke
[02:56] <BFTD> TaJMoX yeah
[02:57] <BFTD> hey vidd_laptop can I ssh into your server?
[02:57] <Jester45> why
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, why do you want in?
[02:58] <BFTD> cuz I'm cool and I think I should be part of the club
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> haha
[02:58] <jtg23> wait i want in too; i love access
[02:58] <Jester45> vidd i installed a teamspeak server on it today but i removed it... i coudnt connect
[02:58] <Jester45> cleanly removed to :) nothing left not even a log file
[02:59] <vidd_laptop> which server Jester45 ?
[02:59] <Jester45> vidd.us
[02:59] <Jester45> do i have sudo powers on both?
[03:00] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, jtg23 ppl currently with access have access for a purpose
[03:00] <Jester45> i could connect to the webadmin but not with the client
[03:00] <jtg23> vidd, i'll find a purpose if i have access ;)
[03:00] <Jester45> like me... im cool so i get sudo powers
[03:00] <BFTD> give me purpose
[03:00] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, no...just on the homelinux
[03:00] <BFTD> haha
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> we should take this to #viddandme
[03:01] <Jester45> never!!!
[03:01] <Jester45> arrg
[03:01] <Jester45> i need to turn that off
[03:02] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, turn what off?
[03:08] <AmBAr> \c
[03:11] <AmBAr> I have Ubuntu 7.04 , and my sound module is: snd_intel8x0  and her is load, on lspci my sound card are visible, but im without sound ! alsamixer says: No such device
[03:25] <AmBAr> I have Ubuntu 7.04 , and my sound module is: snd_intel8x0  and her is load, on lspci my sound card are visible, but im without sound ! alsamixer says: No such device
[03:26] <Jester45> lspci doesnt mean its compatible or working right. it just means its connected and visable by linux
[03:28] <AmBAr> yes but my sound work before i restart the machine :(
[03:42] <gerro> was digging around sourceforge and found some browser app, but can't get it started. Any clue what mozilla_five_home variable means? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28013/
[03:44] <gerro> I just thought it was interesting since it said something about ubuntu distro :/
[03:44] <Jester45> maybe ~/.mozzila/
[03:44] <gerro> yeah that is what I thought but it mentioned that file
[03:45] <gerro> Jester45: how would I set an environment variable?
[03:46] <gerro> I know how to use most linux commands but shell specific features are a bit over my head :(
[03:46] <Jester45> idk
[03:47] <gerro> think I read something about that in an old book
[03:47] <gerro> Jester45: you a bash user?
[03:47] <Jester45> yes
[03:47] <Jester45> you can try
[03:47] <gerro> what is it with xubuntu using dash?
[03:48] <Jester45> mozilla_five_home="/home/user/.mozzila/"  before running the command
[03:48] <Jester45> it uses bash...
[04:13] <gerro> not_Jester45: well dash is installed..
[04:28] <gerro> hmm which package contains the mozilla browser not the firefox one. Think its usually refered to as sea-monkey or such.
[04:29] <j1mc> gerro: which version of xubuntu are you running?
[04:31] <j1mc> gerro: did you try "apt-cache search mozilla seamonkey"?
[04:33] <BFTD> !checksum
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about checksum - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <gerro> jlmc: oh 7.04 xubuntu
[04:34] <j1mc> gerro: did you try the command i listed above?
[04:34] <gerro> what would I be searching for with that?
[04:34] <gerro> yeah
[04:34] <j1mc> did it come up with any results?
[04:34] <gerro> this libxul stuff
[04:34] <j1mc> ok.
[04:35] <gerro> gecko engine libraries it says
[04:35] <j1mc> the next release, the gutsy gibbon (7.10) will include the ability to install "iceape"
[04:35] <gerro> iceape?
[04:35] <j1mc> The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird.
[04:35] <gerro> isn't that a thunderbird mod?
[04:35] <BFTD> how do I run a checksum?
[04:36] <j1mc> BFTD, to get an md5sum for a program?
[04:36] <j1mc> or file?
[04:36] <gerro> yeah how do I install the mozilla suite or something similar?
[04:36] <BFTD> ISO
[04:36] <j1mc> BFTD: "md5sum filename"
[04:37] <gerro> I use swiftweasel on my computer and its annoying how xchat links always open up in firefox :(
[04:37] <j1mc> gerro: gerro i'm not sure if iceape is being backported to feisty.
[04:38] <j1mc> lemme check something.
[04:41] <j1mc> gerro: i don't know if seamonkey (or the mozilla suite) is going to be available in xubuntu feisty.  you could try installing it from source, but i can't advise you on how to do that.
[04:42] <j1mc> i do know that it is included in xubuntu gutsy gibbon. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe2/Xubuntu
[04:42] <j1mc> gerro  ^^  see that link
[04:42] <gerro> umm I was told that its included in ubuntu
[04:43] <gerro> I just need the mozilla suite library
[04:43] <j1mc> if it's not coming up in an apt-cache search, then it's not available in ubuntu, either.
[04:43] <j1mc> xubuntu and ubuntu share the same repositories
[04:43] <gerro> yeah that's what I meant
[04:45] <gerro> okay look I went into applications > settings > prefered applications> and set web browser for "mozilla browser" obviously some libraries for that program are installed if it opened your link
[04:45] <gerro> I'm just hung up on the "suite" part of what your saying
[04:45] <j1mc> i'm sure that firefox and the mozilla internet suite share some same libraries
[04:46] <gerro> for application I'm trying to get going it says it needs the mozilla part not the firefox one and that it works on ubuntu
[04:46] <j1mc> the suite is the browser / mail / ... combo.
[04:46] <j1mc> like what netscape was back several years ago
[04:47] <j1mc> they've just continued development of it
[04:47] <gerro> umm okay
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> j1mc, i did a tech call for it today....its kinda weird
[04:47] <j1mc> suit <> suite
[04:47] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: a tech call for what?
[04:47] <gerro> I thought suite was just the british way of spelling it..
[04:47] <j1mc> gerro: heh... no.  :)
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> customer needed to change server settings in it for e-mail
[04:48] <j1mc> ahhh...
[04:48] <gerro> vidd_laptop: you do tech calls for who?
[04:49] <gerro> ah sorry was just about to say
[04:49] <vidd_laptop> say what? you have a guess?
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> if you do, pm me and i will confirm or deny
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> just wont say in open (monitored) channel
[04:50] <gerro> hey man its no biggie I know there some tech jobs out there that not so proud of but money good so *shrugs*
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> gerro, im not ASHAMED....im PROUD of my work
[04:51] <gerro> yeah we like being recorded on some server or something?
[04:51] <j1mc> so, gerro ... if you can wait until 7.10 comes out... you'll have the equivalent of mozilla seamonkey
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> actually....yes.....
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> i saw a convo show up in a google search
[04:52] <gerro> well they better damn well be giving me the sexy colored font in that recording
[04:53] <gerro> j1mc: I have some xpcom.so file it mentions on my computer but can't find the same component that the mozilla browser is using
[04:53] <j1mc> wow, i just found out that if you close a tab in firefox, and then press ctrl-shift-t, it will open up the tab to the page you just closed.
[04:54] <gerro> j1mc: yeah that's more annoying than auto restore thing :/
[04:54] <j1mc> gerro: i think your questions may be better answered by the mozilla team.
[04:54] <gerro> j1mc: try doing ctrl l
[04:55] <gerro> I use that instead of navigation bar so it looks more full screen like
[05:08] <geck1> howdy
[05:09] <geck1> Can anyone tell me how to remove an item from the applications menu, and how to add an icon for a program to the desktop? I tried just clicking and dragging but its not working =/
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> geck1, you would need to greate a launcher for the desktop shortcut
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> *create
[05:14] <gerro> geck1: right click
[05:15] <gerro> geck1: and for the appplications menu right click it and choose properties then go to edit menu
[05:15] <gerro> geck1: if you have a crappy one button mouse you can fix that under settings by assigning a hotkey perhaps
[05:17] <eagle-101> ok I have a question, not sure if it is related to xubuntu or if I should be asking elsewhere, but I have a microsoft intellipoint mouse. It has 5 buttons, but the two extra buttons only act as a middle click, any way to tell linux to use the two extra buttons correctly?
[05:17] <geck1> gerro, when i tried to edit menu, I don't see any of the programs in applications
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> eagle-101, check your xorg.conf.......is the mouse set as ps/2 or explorer?
[05:18] <eagle-101> hang on looking
[05:19] <gerro> geck1: you see where it says "---include --- system" that is generated by the system and contains the applications section
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> and WHAT are these 2 extra buttons SUPPOSED to do?
[05:19] <gerro> geck1: I really don't know which file that would be needing the editing however why not create your own section?
[05:20] <gerro> eagle-101: what do you want those buttons to do?
[05:21] <geck1> i'll check it out, thanks gerro =)
[05:21] <eagle-101> gerro I want to be able to assign them functions
[05:21] <eagle-101> rather then having them emulate a middle click
[05:22] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, neither ps/2 or explorer was found
[05:22] <eagle-101> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
[05:23] <vidd_laptop> ok...so it is ps/2
[05:23] <eagle-101> ok yeah I guess
[05:23] <eagle-101> so is there something that is better to set it to?
[05:23] <gerro> eagle-101: applications > Settings > ... oh wait that is for keyboard I have no clue about the mouse all mine have 2 buttons with middle scroll that clicks and none that curvy crap :)
[05:23] <eagle-101> gerro, heh :)
[05:24] <gerro> eagle-101: I would really love to hook up a ps2 controller though
[05:24] <gerro> need a usb adapter for that
[05:24] <eagle-101> this is a mouse I bought  back when I was using windows... dark dark days :)
[05:25] <gerro> but like I said what would you even do with those things?
[05:25] <eagle-101> gerro, ps2 controller would be cool... would be interesting to see how a pc   dealt with the two joysticks
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> you need to run....
[05:25] <gerro> eagle-101: two?
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> i need to find it....
[05:26] <gerro> eagle-101: why would I need two?
[05:26] <eagle-101> gerro, a ps2 controller has two analog sticks
[05:26] <gerro> although two mouses would be awesome!
[05:26] <gerro> how do I enable that?
[05:26] <gerro> you could use 2 buttons for one mouse and other 2 for other one
[05:26] <eagle-101> gerro, heh
[05:26] <gerro> maybe have them mirror each other on output screen
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> gerro, plug one mous in the ps/2 and the other in the usb
[05:27] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, or just use a laptop and leave the touchpad on
[05:27] <gerro> vidd_laptop: but they would be sending input to the one cursor on screen
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> VERY annoying
[05:27] <eagle-101> and plug in a usb mouse (like I do)
[05:27] <gerro> I want 2 cursors each mouse has its own
[05:27] <gerro> one for reach hand ya know
[05:28] <eagle-101> gerro, heh
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> eagle-101, i need to look upth emapping program for you....
[05:28] <gerro> then I could like play 2 games at once like that
[05:28] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, thanks for your work
[05:28] <eagle-101> gerro, only one problem... you only have one brain
[05:28] <gerro> but brain is split into 2 hemispheres
[05:30] <eagle-101> true... go play counterstrike and another shooting game at the same time... tell me if you are any good at both of them :)
[05:31] <geck1> umm one more question =)
[05:31] <gerro> yeah but certain actions would require the extra buttons
[05:31] <geck1> i just downloaded an xfce theme, and I have a bunch of .xpm files
[05:31] <geck1> what do I do with them?
[05:31] <gerro> geck1: sweet what theme?
[05:31] <eagle-101> xfce has themes O.o
[05:31] <geck1> LiNsta-Black
[05:32] <gerro> geck1: do updatedb as root then run locate  with the name of other xfce themes you have
[05:32] <eagle-101> sweet
[05:32] <geck1> but I don't know how to install it >_<
[05:32] <gerro> eagle-101: duh
[05:32] <geck1> sorry gerro can you say that again in more stupid peoples terms
[05:32] <gerro> geck1: after you find where xfce keeps its themes you copy that folder there and set it to the same permissions
[05:32] <geck1> I'm new to linux =P
[05:33] <eagle-101> I think he means sudo updatedb
[05:33] <eagle-101> then sudo find / | grep name of other theam
[05:33] <eagle-101> I *think*
[05:34] <gerro> geck1: updatedb updates your search database and locate searches for things. so locate Crux since it is an already installed theme oh its in /usr/share/themes/ next we copy that folder with xpm files into that directory by using mv command or running thunar as root
[05:35] <geck1> my head is going to splode. ummm OK i'll try heh
[05:35] <eagle-101> just mv file1 file2 where file1 is the file you want moved over file2
[05:35] <gerro> geck1: then you run ls -la and look at the left where it says drwxr-xr-x make sure the newly installed folder says that too and any subdirectories if not you use chmod command on it http://www.ezau.com/latest/tools/chmod.html
[05:36] <eagle-101> chmod -r 3numbers folder
[05:36] <eagle-101> geck1, its a bit of a learning curve sorry :(
[05:36] <gerro> -r for recursive might not work if subdirectories have different permissions
[05:36] <gerro> but its worth a try!
[05:36] <eagle-101> gerro, yep :)
[05:37] <vidd_laptop> eagle-101, i have it....
[05:37] <geck1> I'm all about trying to figure it out, I'm just a bit slow at first =P
[05:37] <eagle-101> to be honest it would be nice to have a themes manager diddy that did this work for you O.o
[05:38] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, ok, I'm listening :) (well if you don't mind I'll be back in about 2 minutes)
[05:39] <geck1> ok, I have open a window with the themes in it at /themes, and I have open the location where the theme I downloaded is located
[05:39] <gerro> eagle-101: you have a theme manager now just need an import option
[05:39] <geck1> It won't let me just drag it into that file though
[05:39] <vidd_laptop> use xev to determine what the mouse buttons are named and xmodmad to map them to something else
[05:39] <gerro> geck1: you have to be ROOT to do that so do sudo su then run thunar
[05:40] <gerro> geck1: yes I know its confusing since it just doesn't work but gives no signs of why, I slip up with same mistake all time
[05:40] <geck1> its ok, I've used the terminal before, I should be able to figure it out =P
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> so my not just do gksudo thunar?
[05:41] <gerro> geck1: anyway what theme is it, it look kool?
[05:41] <eagle-101> geck1, linux is different then windows as in it won't let you delete your critical files without first being an admin... and ubuntu goes one step further by never allowing you to be admin by default
[05:41] <geck1> thats a good thing =P
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> or sudo cp /item/path /item/destination
[05:41] <eagle-101> so no rouge scripts deleting your system32 files :)
[05:42] <vidd_laptop> eagle-101, you get my line?
[05:42] <vidd_laptop> eagle-101, you get my line?
[05:42] <vidd_laptop> use xev to determine what the mouse buttons are named and xmodmad to map them to something else
[05:42] <gerro> vidd_laptop: I got your line!
[05:42] <eagle-101> ok  :)
[05:42] <geck1> where is the tmp directory? i just lost it
[05:43] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, thanks, I don't need to change anything?
[05:43] <eagle-101> err in my xorg?
[05:43] <geck1> cancel that, found it
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> well....yeah....that is what xmodemap will do
[05:43] <eagle-101> ok
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> oh..no...nothing there
[05:44] <vidd_laptop> i wanted to know what x thought your mouse was to be sure these apps worked like i expect them to work
[05:44] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, ok, and I should be fine right?
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> just back-up your original map....
[05:45] <geck1> OK, I attempted to do sudo cp /tmp/LinstaBlack /usr/share/themes
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> dont be like me and unmap the <enter> key
[05:45] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, heh :)
[05:45] <eagle-101> how did you fix that!
[05:45] <geck1> and it says cp: omitting directory '/tmp/LinstaBlack'
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> re install
[05:46] <eagle-101> O.o
[05:46] <geck1> any ideas?
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> no live cd at that time =\
[05:47] <eagle-101> ood
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> was TRYing to unmap the <cap lock> key and entered the wrong number
[05:47] <eagle-101> two buttons (both middle click and one of the extras) is called geck 1
[05:47] <geck1> wah?
[05:47] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, *that* would suck
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> it was a laptop...so there was only ONE <enter> button......
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> hrm...wonderif putting a ps2 keyboard would have let me fix that.....
[05:49] <eagle-101> that would suck... and there is no other button that does quite the same thing ;)
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> oh well...im NOT going to experiment to find out!
[05:49] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, aww come on!
[05:49] <eagle-101> where is your spirit of adventure!
[05:50] <vidd_laptop> that went out with breezey
[05:50] <geck1> update: I have the theme folder copied to /usr/share/themes!
[05:50] <eagle-101> mmm what happened O.o
[05:50] <geck1> what next?
[05:50] <eagle-101> geck1, congrats!
[05:50] <vidd_laptop> what do you mean?
[05:50] <geck1> to use it =)
[05:50] <gerro> my keyboard has 2 enter buttons
[05:51] <gerro> one to far bottom right
[05:51] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, well what happened that your spirit of adventure disapeared?
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> then destroyed sudo
[05:51] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, how did you do that!
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> on a headless server
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> typo
[05:52] <gerro> then did rm -Rf / as root lol
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> and NOT using visudo
[05:52] <Lectus> Hello! I just installed my old Ubuntu Dapper CD, but I'd like to install feisty. But when I try to install using the live CD it just hangs at 15% (detecting file systems). The same whith Kubuntu, but not with Xubuntu. It looks like a bug. Has anyone experienced this too?
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> gerro, couldnt do that...root was disabled...and sudo was messed up
[05:52] <eagle-101> Lectus, try checking out if your file systems are mounted or not
[05:53] <eagle-101> with the live cd, I had to manually unmount my partitions to let it install
[05:53] <geck1> Lectus, mine hung at 6% for about half an hour, and finally went through
[05:53] <eagle-101> (mine hung at 15% before I realized it was stuck on filesystem)
[05:53] <geck1> Otherwise you can download the alternate CD, and just install from it.  If you don't have enough RAM (on an older system) like mine, sometimes the alt CD is best
[05:54] <Lectus> eagle-101: It should be unmounted or mounted?
[05:54] <eagle-101> Lectus, unmounted >.>
[05:54] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, I almost did the same thing and used the non-live cd
[05:54] <eagle-101> my xubuntu install was not fun (though it was marginally easier then gentoo ;) )
[05:54] <Lectus> At the first time I installed it went ok. But I think then it detects my HD installation and keeps mount it.
[05:54] <gerro> vidd_laptop: grub recovery mode :)
[05:55] <eagle-101> Lectus, yeah so unmount it and it should go
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> gerro, yeah....15 miles away at 3 in the morning
[05:55] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, ow
[05:56] <Lectus> eagle-101: That's really strange. When I checked at places/computer it was unmounted. And it got stuck at 15% locking the mouse and keyboard.
[05:56] <TaJMoX> eagle-101: the hardest part is telling it what partitions to use
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> i just left it and did it when i got to work in the am
[05:57] <eagle-101> TaJMoX, yeah except I had a prior linux install, and it would not let me install over my widows install O.o
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> Lectus, is this xubuntu or another variety?
[05:57] <Lectus> this is ubuntu. when I installed Xubuntu everything went ok and very fast. I think it's a Ubuntu bug
[05:57] <TaJMoX> eagle-101: luckily it comes with various partitioning tools so you can delete your windoze and have a nice free space
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> Lectus, how much ram ya got? and hd freespace?
[05:58] <eagle-101> TaJMoX, yep ;)
[05:58] <eagle-101> fdisk saved me :)
[05:58] <TaJMoX> fdisk, d, 3, y, w
[05:58] <Lectus> vidd_laptop: 256MB RAM with 1GB swap and 10GB free space
[05:59] <TaJMoX> or no 'y' i forget
[05:59] <eagle-101> Lectus, if you can install xubuntu, then just apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[05:59] <Lectus> I've installed dapper before and also Xubuntu festy... but Ubuntu and Kubuntu feisty keeps giving me this error.
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> then install them via apt-get and be done with it....
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> or get the mini-iso and do an internet install
[06:00] <Lectus> I know about apt-get ubuntu-desktop, but i really would like a clean install. Can I do apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop after it? Because I use Xubuntu on this machine, but will use Ubuntu on my new machine that will arrive.
[06:01] <eagle-101> though reporting your problems to ubuntu might help (#ubuntu perhaps?)
[06:01] <vidd_laptop> Lectus, you want a clean intall....get the mini-iso....
[06:02] <Jester45> im back
[06:02] <Lectus> yes, I reported on #ubuntu. But no one seems to have a know exactly what is the problem.
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> i have it onmy downloads page: http:..www.vidd.us/downloads
[06:02] <Lectus> I'm asking here because maybe anyone had this problem too
[06:02] <Jester45> vidd_laptop, take a look at my rant about trackers :)
[06:02] <eagle-101> Lectus, I have (at the exact same number too) but I was able to fix it
[06:03] <eagle-101> Lectus, also make darn sure you have a valid LiveCD
[06:03] <eagle-101> does your md5hash work?
[06:03] <Lectus> I had it and then install Xubuntu to try and for my surprise Xubuntu didn't have this bug. And I ended up liking Xubuntu. :P
[06:03] <Jester45> eagle-101, what was the problem you had earlier today? i had the answer but its out of my log now
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> eagle-101, i dont have the md5hash file....
[06:03] <Lectus> The CD is valid cause its from the ship it and also verified at the startuo for CD errors
[06:04] <eagle-101> Lectus, mmm ok
[06:04] <vidd_laptop> Lectus, i got 5 cds from them and only two worked
[06:04] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, its not hard, just go to where the install is oh hang on :)
[06:06] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/MD5SUMS
[06:06] <Lectus> it's interesting how Xubuntu has almost the same functionallity and look of Ubuntu (gnome) and is a lot faster. Maybe I'll install Xubuntu again on my new machine.
[06:07] <vidd_laptop> eagle-101, asfar as i know they are good....but idk where the hash table is for the mini iso
[06:07] <Jester45> you could run your own has after downloading
[06:08] <Jester45> if it works tell me so i know
[06:08] <Lectus> my last setup with Xubuntu + Enlightenment desktop rocked even more :D
[06:08] <Jester45> yuck
[06:08] <Jester45> i dislike the look of enlightenment
[06:08] <eagle-101> heh
[06:08] <eagle-101> enlightenment is not bad
[06:08] <eagle-101> it even has themes
[06:09] <Lectus> I liked it. It was easy to configure and with cool themes
[06:09] <eagle-101> (I was trying it earlier)
[06:09] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, i would rather point the downloader to the original site for the hash...makes it actually MEAN something
[06:09] <Lectus> also very light
[06:09] <eagle-101> I did not care for it so much myself, but it is a fine piece of work
[06:10] <geck2> well I tried restarting to see if it would find it then, but it still isn't.  The theme is in the usr/share/themes folder, but its not showing up in the user interface panel
[06:10] <Lectus> well, I run that  Ubuntu feisty CD again. If it hangs I'll go back to the trusty Xubuntu. :D
[06:10] <Lectus> see you later
[06:11] <eagle-101> :)
[06:11] <eagle-101> wow...  konqueror is darn  good!
[06:11] <geck2> Is there a specific process to install a font so User Interface Settings will recognize it?
[06:13] <geck2> ack not font, sorry. meant to say theme
[06:13] <geck2> i must be tired >.>
[06:14] <TheSheep> geck2: unpack it to ~/.themes
[06:14] <vidd_laptop> eagle-101, for all the resourses it takes...it should cook breakfast too!
[06:15] <geck2> TheSheep, could you tell me how to get there?
[06:15] <TheSheep> geck2: open thunar, go to 'view' and enable displaying of hidden files
[06:15] <geck2> I unpacked it into usr/share/themes but it still doesnt recognize it
[06:16] <TheSheep> geck2: weird, that hsould work too
[06:16] <TheSheep> geck2: what kind of theme is it?
[06:16] <geck2> xfce
[06:16] <geck2> LiNsta Black from xfce-look.org
[06:17] <geck2> where is the .themes folder so I can try putting it there?
[06:17] <TheSheep> geck2: xfce themes are available in settings->window manager settings
[06:17] <TheSheep> geck2: they are for the window decorations
[06:18] <geck2> I don't see it in there either >_<
[06:18] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, perhaps, but firefox is also resource intensive these days ....
[06:19] <eagle-101> (plus it is the only graphical sftp client that I can find....)
[06:19] <TheSheep> geck2: there should be a 'themerc' file somewhere
[06:19] <TheSheep> geck2: in that theme
[06:19] <TheSheep> geck2: what is currently the path to it?
[06:20] <geck2> yes I see it
[06:20] <geck2> /usr/share/themes/LinstaBlack/xfwm4/themerc
[06:21] <vidd_laptop> eagle-101, fillzilla dont do it for you?
[06:21] <vidd_laptop> *filezilla
[06:21] <kalikiana> Would anyone know if I can get a font like on the screenshot on the middle of that page for linux: http://theshapeofdays.com/2004/12/19/this-is-why-i-use-a-mac.html
[06:21] <eagle-101> filezilla is ok, but it loses itself on symlinks
[06:21] <eagle-101> at least last time I tried it
[06:22] <TheSheep> geck2: that looks about right :/
[06:22] <TheSheep> geck2: are you sure the permissions are ok?
[06:23] <geck2> i'm not sure what that is, how do I check ?
[06:23] <geck2> sorry =/
[06:23] <TheSheep> geck2: right-click on the file and make sure there are permissions to read it for everyone
[06:24] <eagle-101> well i'll be right back :)
[06:24] <geck2> group:root access: read only
[06:24] <vidd_laptop> geck2, chown it
[06:25] <geck2> lay man's terms please?
[06:25] <geck2> =P
[06:25] <geck2> gotta keep it simple stupid for me
[06:25] <geck2> i dunno how to "chown it"
[06:25] <cheeseboy> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `/home/greg/tcl8.4.15/generic/lib.h', needed how do i fix that?
[06:26] <TheSheep> geck2: run 'gksu thunar'
[06:26] <TheSheep> geck2: then navigate to that directory, select properties and just use the checkboxes
[06:26] <vidd_laptop> either sudo chown [your username] :[your group name]  [/path/to/file] 
[06:26] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: but the files in /usr/share should be owned by root
[06:27] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: they hsould be just readable for everyone
[06:27] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, i thought he moved/cp'd them to his ~/ folder\
[06:27] <vidd_laptop> nvm then
[06:28] <TheSheep> geck2: just make sure that the directories and files are readable for everyone
[06:28] <geck2> group: users access: read only ?
[06:28] <cheeseboy> help??
[06:28] <vidd_laptop> geck2, listen to TheSheep
[06:28] <vidd_laptop> !help | cheeseboy
[06:28] <ubotu> cheeseboy: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:28] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: a little more context?
[06:29] <vidd_laptop> !ask | cheeseboy
[06:29] <ubotu> cheeseboy: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:29] <cheeseboy> i did ask
[06:29] <cheeseboy> was ignored
[06:29] <cheeseboy> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `/home/greg/tcl8.4.15/generic/lib.h', needed how do i fix that?
[06:29] <TheSheep> !botabuse | vidd_laptop
[06:29] <ubotu> vidd_laptop: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[06:29] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: that's not enough information to answer
[06:29] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: my crystal ball ran out of batteries
[06:29] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy, what are you trying to do?
[06:30] <eagle-101> cheeseboy, what were you doing that caused that error?
[06:30] <cheeseboy> im trying compile eggdrop using a certain version of gcc
[06:30] <cheeseboy> get that error when i do make
[06:31] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: looks like you either miss the tcl-dev in your system, or the path to it is wrong in the makefile
[06:32] <vidd_laptop> what is eggdrop?
[06:32] <cheeseboy> ./configure --prefix=/home/greg CC=gcc-3.3 CCP=gcc-3.3 --with-tcllib=/home/greg/tcl8.4.15/unix/libtcl8.4.so --with-tclinc=/home/greg/tcl8.4.15/generic/tcl.h
[06:32] <cheeseboy> was my configure code
[06:32] <eagle-101> vidd_laptop, just check wikipedia :P
[06:32] <cheeseboy> worked fine
[06:32] <cheeseboy> !eggdrop
[06:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eggdrop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <eagle-101> http://en.wikipedia.com/wiki/eggdrop
[06:32] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: but you're missing the file /home/greg/tcl8.4.15/generic/lib.h
[06:33] <cheeseboy> isny ubotu an eggdrop :/
[06:33] <eagle-101> Eggdrop is a popular IRC bot. It was originally written in December of 1993 by Robey Pointer, working with Jamie Rishaw, for the EFnet channel #gayteen. Eggdrop started out as an efficient substitute for cEvin, Jamie's IRC bot which was reaching limitations due to its script based design.
[06:33] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, how do i add to configure command?
[06:33] <eagle-101> there we go, make the bot reply with something like that
[06:33] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: you don't it should be part of that tcl8.4.15
[06:35] <TheSheep> eagle-101: that's hardly useful information.
[06:35] <eagle-101> TheSheep, true, there is more useful info further down in the article
[06:36] <TheSheep> eagle-101: do yuo have the author's permission to copy and publish that text on irc? ;)
[06:36] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, lib.h isnt in tcl
[06:36] <cheeseboy> do i copy there?
[06:36] <eagle-101> TheSheep, yep I do
[06:36] <eagle-101> its GDFL
[06:36] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: no
[06:36] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: where is it then?
[06:36] <eagle-101> you may do what you please with it, as long as you state it is from wikipedia :)
[06:37] <cheeseboy> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic/include/config/x86/speedstep/lib.h
[06:37] <cheeseboy> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic/include/config/snd/adlib.h
[06:37] <cheeseboy> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic/include/config/snd/opl3/lib.h
[06:37] <cheeseboy> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic/include/config/snd/cs4231/lib.h
[06:37] <cheeseboy> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic/include/config/snd/vx/lib.h
[06:37] <cheeseboy> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic/include/config/snd/ad1848/lib.h
[06:37] <TheSheep> eagle-101: which you failed to do
[06:37] <cheeseboy> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic/include/config/snd/opl4/lib.h
[06:37] <cheeseboy> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic/include/config/rt2x00/lib.h
[06:37] <cheeseboy> in all those
[06:37] <eagle-101> TheSheep, well I did provide the link earlier
[06:37] <TheSheep> !pastebin | cheeseboy
[06:37] <ubotu> cheeseboy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:37] <eagle-101> should have mentioned that though when I pasted :P
[06:37] <cheeseboy> srry
[06:37] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: these are totally unrelated files
[06:38] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: you need the lib.h from tcl
[06:38] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, there is /home/greg/tcl8.4.15/compat/stdlib.h
[06:38] <cheeseboy> is that it?
[06:38] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: maybe you should run configure in tcl8.4.15 first?
[06:39] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, already installed it
[06:39] <cheeseboy> no errors
[06:39] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: is there a  /home/greg/tcl8.4.15/include/
[06:39] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: or somethng like that?
[06:41] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, no
[06:41] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: and where did you install thet tcl8.4.15? what was the --prefix for it?
[06:42] <cheeseboy> i think i forgot to prefix it
[06:43] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: then it's in /usr/local
[06:43] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, so what do i do?
[06:43] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: is there an /usr/local/include ?
[06:44] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, yes
[06:45] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: is there /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig ?
[06:45] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, yes
[06:46] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: ok, type 'export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig'
[06:46] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: and run ./configure for eggdrop without those --with-tcllib
[06:49] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: then make clean, make
[06:53] <Jester45> anyone know how to make my pcm output to mic via software. i could possibly just connect with a wire but i would rather have it software enabled
[06:53] <geck1> I'm back again >8-D
[06:53] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, seems to b e working butll take a wjile on pentium 3
[06:53] <cheeseboy> be while*
[06:54] <geck1> More questions for you brilliant people from the linux new guy here =P
[06:54] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: the problem was you gave paths to the sources, not to the installed tcl
[06:54] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, same error
[06:54] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: only now different path?
[06:54] <geck1> If I want to have a new user, with basically all the same settings and everything as my current user, is there anything wrong with just going to /home/user1 and copying everything, then pasting into /home/user2?
[06:55] <TheSheep> geck1: yes
[06:55] <geck1> Or will my computer splode
[06:55] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, wait no different error
[06:55] <Jester45> geck1, that whill not make a new user
[06:56] <geck1> nono, I already MADE a new user2, but I just want to copy the settings from me over
[06:56] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:56] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: great
[06:56] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: I was writing baout that :)
[06:56] <geck1> I made it using the users/group tool
[06:56] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, ??
[06:56] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: yuo need to add /usr/local/lib to you /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig as root
[06:56] <geck1> Now I just want to have it have the same desktop layout, firefox plugins, etc etc
[06:57] <TheSheep> geck1: first create the new user using system->usrs and groups
[06:57] <geck1> done and done
[06:59] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, that supposed to be gui or command line?
[06:59] <cheeseboy> nothing happens
[06:59] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: edit /etc/ld.so.conf, add a line '/usr/local/lib' at the end, then run 'sudo ldconfig'  in a terminal
[06:59] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: yes, but it should work now
[07:00] <geck1> And what do I do to copy the settings for apps/desktop/etc?
[07:01] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, include /usr/local/lib ?
[07:01] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: now do 'sudo cp -r /home/olduser/.config /home/olduser/.firefox /home/olduser/.cache /home/olduser/.local /home/newuser && chown -R newuser:newuser /home/newuser'
[07:01] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: no, withut' include'
[07:01] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: just the directory path, alone on a line
[07:01] <TheSheep> sorry
[07:01] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: that was to geck1
[07:02] <TheSheep> geck1: put a 'sudo' before that chown too
[07:02] <TheSheep> geck1: udo cp -r /home/olduser/.config  /home/olduser/.firefox /home/olduser/.cache  /home/olduser/.local /home/newuser &&
[07:02] <geck1> kk thx
[07:02] <TheSheep> sudo chown -R  newuser:newuser /home/newuser'
[07:03] <TheSheep> gotta run to work
[07:03] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, attemp make again now?
[07:26] <Jester45> does anyone have an idea on how to get the line out on my card to input to the mic?
[07:35] <cheeseboy> how i send file from one ppc to another without x ?
[07:35] <Jester45> ftp
[07:36] <Jester45> or cp source destination onto a usb drive
[07:40] <RedPhoenix> can anyone point me in the right direction to configure a NIC in 10x and full duplex mode
[07:43] <geck1> Question: how do I get Xubuntu to recognize my flash drive?
[07:43] <eagle-101> geck1, just plug it in
[07:43] <geck1> tried that xD
[07:43] <geck1> nothing came up
[07:43] <eagle-101> mmm for me it reads it as a new drive
[07:44] <eagle-101> (heck it reads my digital camera as a new drive)
[07:44] <geck1> when I plug it in, my cpu usage goes up
[07:44] <geck1> then nothing happens
[07:44] <geck1> and it goes back down
[07:44] <eagle-101> geck1, which means it probably mounted the drive
[07:44] <eagle-101> open up thunar
[07:44] <geck1> *doh* file this under "I'm retarded"
[07:44] <eagle-101> geck1, no worry :)
[07:44] <geck1> i got it lol -_-
[07:44] <geck1> sorry heh
[07:44] <eagle-101> geck1, no worries :)
[07:45] <geck1> thanks for your help earlier too guys, I'm sure you'll be seeing more of me :-[
[07:45] <eagle-101> geck1, xubuntu is quite smart, if you plug in say your digital camera (I have 3) chances are it will pick it up
[07:45] <eagle-101> geck1, hey stay around :)
[07:45] <geck1> 8-) I'm sure I'll have more questions to pester you with hehe
[07:46] <eagle-101> hehe
[07:46] <geck1> just started this whole linux shindig a few days ago
[07:46] <geck1> already got ubuntu up on a server-ish machine
[07:46] <eagle-101> geck1, heh well are you liking it?
[07:46] <eagle-101> :)
[07:46] <geck1> the ubuntu one is rockin my sox off
[07:46] <eagle-101> geck1, heh
[07:46] <geck1> this xubuntu compy is giving me a bit more trouble, but its mostly because of slightly outdated hardware
[07:47] <eagle-101> mmm
[07:47] <eagle-101> where is the problems :S
[07:47] <geck1> but I'm getting it all figured out well enough =)
[07:47] <geck1> its just sluggish
[07:47] <eagle-101> geck1, how much RAM do you have?
[07:47] <geck1> 256mb ram
[07:47] <eagle-101> and proccessor?
[07:47] <geck1> 733mhz processor
[07:47] <eagle-101> thats probably doing it
[07:47] <eagle-101> are you running anything like firefox?
[07:48] <eagle-101> most likely you are into your swap space.
[07:48] <geck1> I actually figured out how to get the comp stat monitor, and my RAM is always fine, my CPU just gets used hard =)
[07:48] <eagle-101> geck1, ah ok :)
[07:48] <geck1> swap is nill
[07:48] <eagle-101> then its your processor
[07:48] <geck1> just the cpu mainly
[07:48] <geck1> yea
[07:48] <eagle-101> me, it was my ram
[07:48] <eagle-101> I do a lot of programming
[07:49] <geck1> I do a lot of computer building =P
[07:49] <eagle-101> having debbuggers open and firefox, ugh
[07:49] <eagle-101> with only 256 MB ram, I was shot
[07:49] <eagle-101> heh
[07:49] <geck1> this is about my 8th or 9th compy I think
[07:49] <eagle-101> works well enough for me :)
[07:50] <geck1> Just build this one with some spare parts I had lying around, not quite as speedy as I guessed it would be, but it gets the job done
[07:50] <eagle-101> geck1, heh, that one going to be your personal computer?
[07:50] <geck1> haha no my personal computer is a beast
[07:50] <eagle-101> (and any reason why you switched from windows?)
[07:50] <geck1> well I have 2 actually, both are beasty =P
[07:50] <geck1> Right now I'm running 2 windows machines, 1 ubuntu, 1 xubuntu
[07:51] <eagle-101> mm, :)
[07:51] <eagle-101> and whats your general impression of linux :)
[07:51] <geck1> 1 windows for gaming, 1 for home theatre PC, 1 ubuntu for server/general use (when I'm NOT gaming), 1 xubuntu I'm setting up for my girl =P
[07:51] <eagle-101> heh, poor her
[07:51] <geck1> Its stable as hell, and runs fast too, which is why I'll basically be using it for everything but gaming
[07:52] <eagle-101> geck1, heh, that is one weakness... :(
[07:52] <geck1> It's got somewhat of a steep learning curve for the nitty gritty stuff, but I'll figure it out in time
[07:52] <eagle-101> I just play chess
[07:52] <eagle-101> I'm not into that whole graphics intensive stuff
[07:53] <eagle-101> and the developer tools on linux are free, and very good
[07:53] <eagle-101> windows, they cost me money, and kinda suck
[07:53] <geck1> yea hehe
[07:53] <geck1> Really, I don't game a whole lot anymore, too busy with school
[07:53] <eagle-101> heh
[07:53] <geck1> Biology major, pre-med, so I mostly study and research on my compy nowadays
[07:54] <eagle-101> ah I see
[07:54] <geck1> which linux suits just fine
[07:54] <TheSheep> I've seen a whole bunch of advanced biology/chemistry programs added to feisty some time ago
[07:54] <eagle-101> heh, personally I'm hoping linux keeps growing and some of the game makers will make games that run on both linux and windows... >.>
[07:54] <Jester45> how do you reconfigure via dpkg? i cant remember the command
[07:55] <geck1> I believe some newer games do, like C&C 3
[07:55] <Jester45> eagle-101, some do, many opensource ones are
[07:55] <eagle-101> C&C 3?
[07:55] <geck1> command and conquer 3
[07:55] <eagle-101> ah ok
[07:55] <geck1> just came out, pretty sure its linux compatible....at least I thought I read that
[07:55] <Jester45> i liked generales but the networking was the worst ever
[07:56] <eagle-101> generales?
[07:56] <TheSheep> Jester45: dpkg-reconfigure
[07:56] <Jester45> thanks
[07:56] <Jester45> generals
[07:56] <eagle-101> thats a free game?
[07:56] <geck1> Never got a chance to play that one
[07:56] <Jester45> no, CnC Generals
[07:57] <Jester45> the one be C&C 3
[07:57] <Jester45> before*
[07:57] <geck1> Since it's summer and I got a little break from school, I've been playing Supreme Commander, and C&C3
[07:57] <eagle-101> mmm ok
[07:57] <eagle-101> ah I see
[07:57] <Jester45> !alsa
[07:57] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:57] <johnnytainted> Wow, uh. Is there a total n00b's guide to compiling apps anywhere?
[07:58] <eagle-101> johnnytainted, you should not have to compile on ubuntu...
[07:58] <eagle-101> otherwise just use make
[07:58] <johnnytainted> Oh.
[07:58] <Jester45> ./configure                make                  make install
[07:58] <eagle-101> johnnytainted, what do you want to compile?
[07:59] <Jester45> and make clean if you want
[07:59] <johnnytainted> Don't you have to compile .sh files?
[07:59] <Jester45> no
[07:59] <TheSheep> Jester45: s/make install/checkinstall
[07:59] <geck1> sh filename.sh
[07:59] <Jester45> they are scripts
[07:59] <geck1> I learned that one already =)
[07:59] <eagle-101> geck1, :)
[07:59] <Jester45> just like running multiple commands in the cli
[07:59] <johnnytainted> Oh wait.
[08:00] <johnnytainted> Nevermind. Haha.
[08:00] <johnnytainted> Sorry.
[08:00] <Jester45> TheSheep, how can i reconfuigure alsa? i messed mine up
[08:00] <Jester45> configure*
[08:00] <TheSheep> Jester45: what did you change?
[08:00] <Jester45> about everything in alsamixer
[08:01] <TheSheep> Jester45: well, just remove /etc/asound.conf and do /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[08:01] <Jester45> ok
[08:01] <eagle-101> heh, that is the one application I uninstalled O.o
[08:02] <Jester45> sudo rm /etc/asound.conf
[08:02] <Jester45> rm: cannot remove `/etc/asound.conf': No such file or directory
[08:02] <TheSheep> Jester45: then I can't remember where the state of channels is saved
[08:02] <TheSheep> Jester45: maybe somewhere in /var
[08:02] <TheSheep> Jester45: look for alsa there
[08:02] <eagle-101> sudo find / | asound.config
[08:02] <eagle-101> :P
[08:03] <eagle-101> err grep
[08:03] <TheSheep> eagle-101: find
[08:03] <Jester45> i was just starting to do that
[08:03] <Jester45> no need for sudo your only reading
[08:03] <TheSheep> eagle-101: find /var -name *alsa*
[08:03] <eagle-101> heh is it any faster ;)
[08:03] <TheSheep> eagle-101: substancially
[08:03] <eagle-101> figures
[08:04] <Jester45> none
[08:04] <Jester45> let me do /
[08:05] <TheSheep> Jester45: easier, just look into /etc/init.d/alsa and see what file it uses
[08:05] <Jester45> thats to smart :)
[08:06] <Jester45> how about /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[08:07] <TheSheep> Jester45: yup, that's probably it, rename it to .old or something
[08:08] <Jester45> well its not working now so doesnt matter if i lose it
[08:08] <eagle-101> heh, just uninstall, and re-install :P
[08:08] <TheSheep> eagle-101: that's not widnows
[08:09] <Jester45> !paste
[08:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:09] <eagle-101> TheSheep, heh, its the last thing when I give up :P
[08:09] <Jester45> the last thing is a livecd boot
[08:10] <eagle-101> Jester45, true, but if I screw up a program and I can't get it to work, I try to fix it, but if I can't figure it out, I just remove the program and reinstall it
[08:10] <Jester45> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28053/
[08:10] <Jester45> thats what error mplayer gives
[08:11] <Jester45> and i think its the same that mpd is getting
[08:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: lsof | grep pcm
[08:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: some program hugs the audio output
[08:11] <Jester45> nothing
[08:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: as root
[08:11] <Jester45> nothing
[08:12] <TheSheep> Jester45: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[08:13] <Jester45> as root?
[08:13] <TheSheep> no
[08:13] <Jester45> it gave me a blank line
[08:13] <Jester45> ima try closing teamspeak
[08:13] <TheSheep> it should give you a lot of noise
[08:14] <Jester45> FOUND IT
[08:14] <Jester45> after i read your some program hugs the audio output statement
[08:14] <TheSheep> >_<
[08:14] <Jester45> i thought... what could do that
[08:15] <Jester45> then i said well... maybe the newly installed program :)
[08:15] <Jester45> o and btw it works as soon as it was closed
[08:15] <Jester45> now if i reopen...
[08:15] <Jester45> works
[08:17] <Jester45> guess i could try wine + teamspeak
[08:17] <Jester45> thanks for the help
[08:19] <Jester45> anyone wanna try to load test my teamspeak server?
[08:32] <k-os> is it possible to upgrade to Xfce 4.4.1 in Xubuntu 6.10?
[08:32] <TheSheep> k-os: not within the distribution
[08:33] <k-os> TheSheep: what would the work-around be?
[08:33] <TheSheep> k-os: upgrdae to feisty
[08:33] <TheSheep> upgrade*
[08:33] <k-os> feisty is not good for me, it has problems detecting my wireless cards and to get them in use,
[08:35] <k-os> i could manually install xfce 4.4.1? that would replace the current version of Xfce?
[08:43] <TheSheep> k-os: unless you knwo exactly what you are doing, that's not recommended