[03:47] <Hobbsee> nixternal: thankyou
[04:55] <nixternal> Hobbsee: no problem!
[04:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: my view is - if i've got someone harassing me, then i'm no longer under the COC, as it's self defence.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> particularly as it's usually in conjunction with getting a staffer to get a ticket on the k-train for him.
[04:56] <nixternal> I agree with you wholeheartedly
[04:56] <Hobbsee> particularly this guy
[04:56] <nixternal> I have known you now pushing 2 years, and if you swore at someone, they got lucky, as they more than likely deserved more :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:56] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:57] <nixternal> dude got pissed by being called a troll...hahahahaha, and jenda confirmed it..that is great
[04:57] <Hobbsee> nixternal: clearly you havent heard about this guy
[04:57] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ask nalioth or ompaul about "paddy frank"
[04:57] <Hobbsee> or just paddy
[04:57] <nixternal> ahhhh, I have heard
[04:57] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:22] <Hobbsee> ScottK: well, it really should work OOTB
[05:23] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Agreed, but it's not not working because of anything to do with Kmail.
[05:23] <ScottK> Hobbsee: It's the whole agent business.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> ScottK: true that.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: well, it's an invalid bug there, maybe, but then it deserves another bug report about how the agent, etc, needs to integrate in with kmail.  so, whichever you prefer...
[05:24] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I've been thinking about sending a message to devel-discuss to say let's just do it by default.
[05:24] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Would you mind taking a look at what I was thinking of sending?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: at least send the message as a RFC
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: sure
[05:24] <ScottK> Hobbsee: pastebind or direct email?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> dir email, probably.  whichever
[05:26] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I was already headed towards the pastebin, so http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28178/
[05:26] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:27] <Hobbsee> ScottK: s/gnpug/gnupg/
[05:27] <ScottK> OK
[05:28] <Hobbsee> ScottK: looks great :)
[05:29] <ScottK> OK.
[05:30] <ScottK> Hobbsee: If something gets started by an init in /etc/x11/Xsession.d, what's the proper way to stop it on logout?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> dunno
[05:30] <ScottK> OK.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> actually, what i *would* have added to that email was a request about enabling ssh support via the agent, too
[05:31] <ScottK> Maybe nixternal knows...  ^^
[05:31] <Hobbsee> you can run with an --enable-ssh in the 90gpg-agent.sh, which lets it handle ssh too
[05:31] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[05:33] <ScottK> I think I'll take the kmail gpg bug and point it at gnupg2.
[05:45] <DaSkreech> I want a konqissie t-shirt :(
[05:45] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'm crashing so have a good day whilst I sleep.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> ScottK: have a good sleep :_)
[05:46] <DaSkreech> night ScottK
[06:20] <DaSkreech> hi Jucato  hi Hobbsee  ello nixternal
[06:20] <Hobbsee> hiya DaSkreech
[06:52] <DaSkreech> hey Jucato do you cook?
[07:15] <nixternal> hiya DaSkreech
[07:17] <DaSkreech> yo
[07:18] <nixternal> why is it a pain to control color depth in Kubuntu? we don't have it where we can set 16bit/24bit easily
[08:06] <nixternal> I didn't realise that if you create a package under the GPL/LGPL/GFDL and you don't include it, you are violating the license
[08:10] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I am going to hold off on this icon set for 2 reasons...license is #1 of course, but I just noticed that the icon in Konqueror, the animated logo, is the freakin' Linspire logo
[08:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: erk.  ddint notice that
[08:10] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[08:11] <nixternal> ya, I couldn't tell what it was at first, but people commented on kde-look, so I took a closer look and sure enough it is
[08:11] <nixternal> JR said this guy is impossible to contact about the license stuff as well. I guess he has experience with this guy in the past as well
[08:12] <nixternal> if recreating the orig.tar.gz allows us to do this, I am all for it. I will keep me as the Maintainer then on our side, and update the README until we can hopefully get him to take care of the licensing stuff
[08:13] <nixternal> for the new katapult?
[08:13] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:13] <nixternal> I was supposed to get some new screenshots of it tonight and never got the chance
[08:14] <nixternal> I think I seen a message about it
[08:14] <Hobbsee> he was asking for asponsor in here
[08:15] <Hobbsee> a while ago
[08:16] <nixternal> so far it looks good, let me dget it and check it out...but I am fairly certain he knows what he is doing, even with his lintian cheats :)
[08:18] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:19] <DaSkreech>  dget?
[08:19] <nixternal> dget the .dsc file and it will grab the files necessary in order to build the package
[08:20] <DaSkreech> au
[08:20] <DaSkreech> ah
[08:20] <DaSkreech> well gnight
[08:20] <DaSkreech> see you tomorrow
[08:21] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:40] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I went ahead and advocated it if you want to look at it. It is running here now :)
[08:41] <nixternal> and my doc is finally in it, so that makes me happy...I should bust his chaps for not putting my name in the license :)
[08:41] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh, so it is on revu? cool
[08:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:41] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5839
[08:41] <nixternal> if you advocate it, I can upload it if necessary
[08:42] <Hobbsee> how are you going to uplaod it?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> !info katapult gutsy
[08:43] <ubotu> katapult: item launcher for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.1.4-0ubuntu6 (gutsy), package size 326 kB, installed size 2960 kB
[08:43] <Hobbsee> besides, it's not a new package, ti doesnt need 2 acks.
[08:43] <nixternal> ahhhh, upload it via dput
[08:44] <Hobbsee> yes, but it's in main
[08:44] <nixternal> oh
[08:44] <nixternal> that is right :)
[08:44] <nixternal> well then, get to work ;p
[08:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:47] <_marseillais> hi
[08:47] <Hobbsee> hiya
[08:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: hold up on that upload for a minute
[08:50] <nixternal> unless it is to late
[08:52] <Hobbsee> havent touched it yet
[08:52] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: timeanddate.com
[08:53] <_marseillais> thanks hobbsee
[08:54] <nixternal> Hobbsee: there is a bug in it
[08:54] <nixternal> it starts up when you login opened
[09:54] <_StefanS_> hi there
[09:54] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[09:55] <_StefanS_> mhb: sorry, I havent had time to look at adept yet. You might wanna get someone else to do it, if you can't wait (or is it already fixed?)
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Hobbs!
[10:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:19] <xerosis> mornin'
[10:21] <Hobbsee> hiya xerosis
[10:21] <xerosis> hey Hobbsee
[10:52] <Tonio_> yop
[10:55] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_
[10:56] <Tonio_> yop Hobbsee :)
[12:16] <xerosis> Hobbsee: what do I do with openGL bugs?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> xerosis: depends what they are,i guess.  not sure
[12:17] <xerosis> Hobbsee: bug 115056
[12:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115056 in kdebase "kdesktop_lock doesn't work" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115056
[02:07] <mhb> _StefanS_: manchicken said he fixed it
[02:07] <mhb> _StefanS_: hopefully he'll upload adept soon, so we can test it
[02:07] <mhb> manchicken: ^^
[02:12] <_StefanS_> mhb: ok, sounds good.
[03:49] <jjesse> morning
[03:50] <manchicken> mhb: I've got a couple kinks to work out first, but yeah, it is working.
[04:10] <manchicken> Ooh, kicker crashed.
[04:10] <manchicken> No error screen or anything. Just silently failed.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:16] <ScottK> nixternal: I had a package rejected by Tollef during Feisty development for lack of upstream having included $LICENSE in orig.tar.gz.  They just said which license the program was released under.  I repacked the orig.tar.gz to add $LICENSE and he accepted it.
[04:17] <siretart> ScottK: hmm. sounds dangerous. it could be seen as 'relicencing software without having the copyright' by pedantic ppl
[04:18] <ScottK> siretart: Well in this case the upstream clearly indicated it was (IIRC) GPL, but didn't include the copy of the GPL (when contacted they whined that the GPL was longer than the program in question).
[04:24] <siretart> ScottK: I didn't say you did something wrong. It's rather that you could create a problematic case quite easily
[04:24] <siretart> ScottK: e.g. if upstream decides to change the license to something you don't want. Then you pretend that they told you it was GPL, and they start to state something different
[04:25] <siretart> something like that. (hopefully) nothing commonly obsevered, but fun for pedants
[04:26] <ScottK> siretart: Right.  In this case it wasn't just they told me it was GPL, the docs in the package said it was, but agreed that there are risks with this kind of thing.
[04:26] <manchicken> Lots of duplicates of this adept locking issue.
[04:26] <manchicken> Lots of duplicates.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> nice.  mark as such :)
[04:56] <sahin_h> Hi kubuntu-developers! I submit a bugreport agaings kvirc in launchpad.
[04:56] <sahin_h> This is a security bug.
[04:57] <sahin_h> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvirc/+bug/123037
[04:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123037 in kvirc "KVIrc irc:// URI Handler Command Execution Vulnerability" [Medium,Triaged] 
[04:57] <sahin_h> The fix is provided by the kvirc developers.
[04:57] <sahin_h> Somebody able to create a fixed package for kubuntu?
[04:58] <sahin_h> See the bugreport for more details
[04:58] <sahin_h> I'm just a user I'dont have any idea how can I create a debdiff.
[05:14] <ScottK> sahin_h: If you go to #ubuntu-motu there is likely someone there that can walk you through the process.  Kvirc is in the Universe repository in Ubuntu, so that's a better place to ask for help.
[05:17] <sahin_h> ScottK: Ok. I will ask help there. I just tried this channel because I saw nixternal did the last chnage
[05:18] <ScottK> sahin_h: You'll find nixternal there too, but maybe Hobbsee was volunteering to help you.  I'm not sure....
[05:18] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: any idea if that affects 3.2.4?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> was just looking at it for gutsy
[05:19] <sahin_h> sahin_h: I think  3.2.4 is affected, because the kvirc developers made the fix against the svn version.
[05:19] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: I think  3.2.4 is affected, because the kvirc developers made the fix against the svn version.
[05:20] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: However the fix only two additional line, if understand correctly...
[05:38] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: looks more than 2 additional lines?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> the stuff in the admin/ dir
[05:39] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: Let me check again...
[05:40] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: Did you follow this link? https://svn.kvirc.de/kvirc/changeset/630/#file3
[05:40] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: yes
[05:40] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: there's 2 lines in kvi_ircurl.cpp, plus a whole lot in admin/
[05:41] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: Well... I told you. I'm just a kubuntu user. ;-)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: of course, i dont know if we *need* the whole lot in admin/ - some of it looks like relibtoolisation.
[05:42] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: These other changes are required for the security fix?
[05:42] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: Don't think so, but I'm not sure...
[05:43] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: neither.  especially not at this time of night, when i'm having multiple conversations about multiple bugs at once
[05:44] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: So our last hope is nixternal? ;-)
[05:44] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: I'm just joking...
[05:45] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: :P
[05:45] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: i'm probably here after i get some sleep, etc
[05:45] <Hobbsee> if i'm not out at a friends place
[05:46] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: Yep, the kids will home soon... so for me the the night shift just begun... :-)
[05:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:46] <Hobbsee> almost 2am here
[05:47] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: Almost 18:00 here...
[05:47] <Hobbsee> hungary?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:47] <sahin_h> Yep
[05:48] <sahin_h> Hungary most of time, however I travel a lot in Europe...
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[06:21] <nixternal> so kvirc needs fixing ey?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:22] <Hobbsee> well, likely
[06:27] <nixternal> lovely
[06:29] <crimsun> great, rich can do it.
[06:32] <nixternal> now I will, just for you ;)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:50] <toma_> how is the state of gutsy ?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> mostly works
[07:06] <nixternal> oh this will be fun..kvirc in our repos don't even have the file they patched upstream for the security fix
[07:10] <nixternal> found it...different location than in the svn :)
[07:42] <jjesse> afternoon :L)
[07:42] <jjesse> :)
[08:07] <nixternal> afternoon to you as well sir
[08:08] <nixternal> are we still doing breezy updates? i.e. security fixes?
[08:11] <jjesse> in meetings all week
[08:11] <jjesse> how are you?
[08:44] <yuriy> nixternal: i thought breezy support is over
[08:45] <nixternal> ya, it is
[08:45] <yuriy> nixternal: congratulations on MOTU btw
[08:45] <nixternal> just wanted to make sure
[08:45] <nixternal> thanks!
[10:04] <ScottK> nixternal: Do you read devel-discuss?
[10:04] <nixternal> yes
[10:07] <nixternal> hrmm...I know I had troubles with KMail and GPG when I set it up last year, but I have been dist-upgrading since Dapper Flight 3 I think
[10:08] <nixternal> I do know that the agent has killed debuild in the past and wouldn't call the pinentry-qt to enter my password...so I had to always use the -k flag
[10:09] <ScottK> Right.  That's fixed for Gutsy.  I verified the fix for StevenK before he uploaded it.
[10:10] <nixternal> sweet jesus, it works now :)
[10:10] <nixternal> dude, that hasn't worked for over a year
[10:10] <ScottK> I think we are very close to get it to work out of the box.  This (the gpg.conf) is the last major hurdle.
[10:11] <nixternal> I have the useagent set in my desktop, but I don't have the agent installed
[10:11] <ScottK> nixternal: You just need to know who to bitch and moan to.  He fixed it in one day last week when I whined enough.
[10:11] <nixternal> I copy over my ~/.gnupg directory from computer to computer...much easier that way
[10:11] <nixternal> and my laptop is the only one using the agent
[10:11] <ScottK> Right.
[10:11] <nixternal> so i can verify it doesn't hurt a thing
[10:12] <nixternal> that is, having the agent set in gpg.conf and not having the agent installed
[10:12] <ScottK> OK.  It might be useful to reply to the effect of the proposed change is harmless afayct and it'd be cool to get gpg w/kmail working out of the box.
[10:13] <nixternal> I will do that really quick right now
[10:13] <ScottK> seahorse-agent works not too (not that we care about that on this channel).
[10:16] <nixternal> sent
[10:18] <ScottK> Thanks.
[10:58] <ryanakca_> nixternal: hmm... I guess that since GPG will work OOTB, no need for docbookifying the KMail+GPG-agent documentation?
[10:59] <ScottK> ryanakca_: Got to get it approved/agreed first ...
[10:59] <ryanakca> ah, okies :)